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geoblewis
12-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Here's a new thread for the Paleo/Primal enthusiasts. I needed one that didn't need to have the title updated every month. Hope we can all flock together here for support.

I had a very non-Paleo weekend and am now suffering the consequences with bloating and achy joints. Stupid gluten/soy/casein/sugar! Makes me cranky and even triggered a small panic-attack the other night when I felt the bloating coming on. I will not be indulging on holiday fare this year. I did just fine without most of it for Thanksgiving and still enjoyed myself!

I have discovered the beauty of bone soups this winter. Love them! Excellent source of calcium for those avoiding legumes and not eating enough of the right veggies. I've also found a really good butcher in Oakland who carries grass-fed red meat and purely pastured poultry. So yummy! It happens to be in a lovely little marketplace with an all-organic produce market right next door. They had some gorgeous dandelion greens that I bought and they were so tasty!

I love eating well. Really, I'm so easy to please when I'm eating this well!


AnaBee
12-06-2011, 09:05 PM
*waves*

Hello. I'm trying to commit myself to this too. Mostly successful, though there are a few things I need to ditch.

How do you make the bone broth?

geoblewis
12-06-2011, 11:44 PM
How to make the bone broth:

Since we're paleo/primal here, you need the bones of wild-caught or grass-fed animals. I used my turkey carcass after Thanksgiving dinner, but have also gotten good grass-fed beef marrow bones from a butcher. It's easier to find grass-fed lamb bones at the supermarket.

Wash them well, then put them in a big stock pot and cover them with water. To the pot, add a lot of lemon juice or some apple cider vinegar, depending on the flavor you want with the bones you're using. Usually a tablespoon of vinegar or lemon juice per four cups of water. This helps to leech out the minerals from the bones. Heat on high until the water starts to boil, then turn down to a simmer and let it cook for at least four hours. This is where a crockpot comes in handy. I let it cook all day, and my house smells tasty! You can add onions, celery, carrots, peppercorns and some salt to taste. Once the broth is nice and rich, let it cool to luke warm then chill it in the refrigerator. The broth may become gelatinous and a crusty layer of fat will form on top. You can take the fat off and discard. Now you've got fat-free broth!

You can store the broth in containers in the freezer for later use, otherwise use it within a week. Good as is, heated, add soup ingredients to it, use it to braise vegetables with it. Even nice in the summer chilled with some lemon or lime juice. I'm using some of my leftover turkey broth tonight to cook my Brussels sprouts in and I had some earlier when I braised dandelion greens and chicken thighs for lunch.


wendyland
12-07-2011, 03:46 PM
HI, I've made attempt after attempt to eat primally. I did really good last summer for my 30 days of no grains/sugar/dairy, but once the 30 days were up, everything snuck back in.

I'm taking a slower approach this time. I'm off the wheat first. Once I get used to that lifestyle, I'll take something else out. I'm reducing sugar, rice, and corn but not cutting it out completely yet. I feel so overwhelmed if I cut out everything at once.

I don't understand the committed to paleo/primal thread opposed to a monthly thread. Not enough people to warrant a monthly thread?

kaplods
12-07-2011, 05:50 PM
Here's a new thread for the Paleo/Primal enthusiasts. I needed one that didn't need to have the title updated every month. Hope we can all flock together here for support.

As I understand it, whenever a thread gets to a certain size, the moderators close it. By creating a monthly thread, posters save the moderators a little work, and don't have to worry about their thread being closed without warning, so it's always easy to find. It's also easier to find the old threads that have been closed, if someone wants to read or re-read the old threads.

kaplods
12-08-2011, 05:51 PM
Another option would be to number the threads. So "Committed to Paleo/Primal" could be used until the thread gets to a certain number of posts and then the next could be titled "Committed to Paleo/Primal, Volume 2" - or #2 or whatever, so that the threads can be easily found.

AnaBee
12-13-2011, 07:45 PM
Thank you so much for the bone broth recipe, Georgia. Much appreciated.

TheMeIwant2be
12-14-2011, 04:08 PM
Thanks for the bone broth recipe. I've seen people talking about it but I wasn't sure how to make it. Regarding the fat, don't you want to have that fat in the broth?

geoblewis
12-18-2011, 02:07 PM
Yes, I do want that fat at the top. But some who have never made broth might wonder what that stuff is at the top of the broth, and some might not want it so I just explained how to get rid of it most efficiently.

I went to a local market yesterday and bought a big stewing hen, raised organic and free-roaming, without anti-biotics, etc. I'll just call it a Holy Hen. Anyway, today I'm going to stew that girl and make myself a nice big pot of soup. It's cold outside and I want something hot and comforting. The Holy Hen was expensive. But my health is sooo worth it! I don't spend money on lots of other things, but I will spend on good quality food.

Other than my current feminine hormonal state, I feel really good. Even my cramps don't seem as bad now that I'm eating almost exclusively Paleo. I did go a little nuts with the carb cravings for a couple days and I'm really bloated right now, but not in the usual way. Usually, my hands and feet plus my belly would feel incredibly bloated, and I'd be absolutely knocked out with no energy for two days. But this time, my thighs seem bloated (and I think that's because I've been doing squats and lunges for the first time in a long time) and I have plenty of energy. And very minor cramps. Since moving toward a more Paleo diet, the periods have been decreasingly symptomatic. And that is so cool!

I think I'll combat the minor bloat with extra dandelion greens today.

geoblewis
12-27-2011, 02:56 PM
Okay! That off-plan eating is done and no major weight gain to report!:carrot:

Back on track for the new year...today the boys and I are clearing out and reapportioning the non-paleo foods. I have my own refrigerator and I'm going to set up my own pantry portion so I don't have to deal with their stuff at all. Going to Costco for major organic veggie purchases. I think the next few weeks I'm going to cut protein a little more and eat a lot more veggies. I want to increase my fiber a bit more. Hard to do when I cut calories, so I just have to trade things out.

Feeling good, even after some holiday indulgences. Happy to learn that some foods I used to love just don't taste that good any more!

medic4life
01-02-2012, 06:57 PM
Hi everyone,
I've been going primal for a couple of months. Kinda tough at first but much better all the time. but now it's time to get serious. I don't miss pasta, bread or flour, grains and all that stuff anymore. I still use sugar in my coffee but I am happy to report a wt loss of 1 over the holidays. yahoo for me but I have only lost 4 lbs total so nothing to jump up and down for yet. I have fudge in my house and tonight when I get home I'm putting it in the compost right away. I'm the only one eating it and I love it but I don't feel as good since I've been eating it. 2 mornings in a row I ate it for breakfast, like 4 pcs each time. yikes. I haven't added exercise yet but I will start tomorrow, I eat healthier when i'm exercising. keep at it everyone.
Robin

banananutmuffin
01-03-2012, 11:00 AM
Greetings! Just wanted to introduce myself here. I decided to go Primal for my New Year's resolution. I am a total carb-aholic, so have no idea what this is going to do to me, but I do know that my previous "diets" just weren't working.

So far I am only two days into Primal living. I don't notice much of a change in anything yet (energy levels, etc.), but at least I'm not dealing with massive carb flu (yet).

wendyland
01-04-2012, 10:32 PM
The carb flu sucks. I'm easing into it. Last time I quit grains/sugar/dairy cold turkey. It worked out ok then, but I have a big project due at work this months. I can't afford to have the brain fog. I'm starting with no wheat. I'm doing pretty well. In three days, I've had one bread item. I don't eat very much dairy or beans normally. Sugar is the hardest to quit. I'm cutting down over the next couple weeks.

I made homemade mayo a couple days ago. It was so easy. I made honey mustard with it tonight and coated my chicken breast and then baked it. It was pretty moist from the mayo.

banananutmuffin
01-05-2012, 06:52 PM
Dude... I just tried making homemade mayo yesterday and it was a dismal fail. :( However, the only reason I wanted it was to make deviled eggs, and then I found a mayo-less deviled egg recipe, so I was good to go (it basically just uses olive oil).

This is Day 4 for me of eating primal, and I have to admit, my energy levels are lagging. I feel like death warmed over... like I could sleep at the drop of a hat. Absolutely no energy at all. I am hoping this is just carb flu that will pass over time. I am coming off a very very high-carb lifestyle.

So far I have been 100% dedicated (except a few glasses of wine on Day 1). I haven't even eaten dairy, although Mark Sissan says a little dairy is ok. I've also been trying to watch how many nuts I eat. Mostly I've been eating meats, veggies, fruits and a few nuts or natural nut butters.

To be honest, I still don't feel any different, except tired. The scale says I've dropped a few pounds, but I think that's because my initial weigh was during PMS time, so all I've dropped is water weight and bloat (which is what I'd expect to drop the first few weeks of any diet anyway).

I really really really hope I see some results from this.

souvenirdarling
01-06-2012, 12:44 PM
I've recommitted to primal eating in the new year. I usually feel like a million bucks when I eat this way - more consistent energy levels. I've been feeling awful, sleeping too much, unable to restart my routine - guess I'm having trouble dealing with other things.

I've been tracking calories, and noticed that I tend to eat lower cal when eating low carb. I guess it's not that surprising.

Banana, I hope you start to feel better :) and keep us posted!

Wendy: It's funny, I get "brain fog" after overeating. I remember having it during a specific class where I would anxiety eat a lot before hand, scared I would get ravenous in class and everyone would hear my stomach gurgle.

babygrant
01-06-2012, 09:45 PM
Hubby and I are starting primal tommorow. Won't weigh in for the first month to avoid any disappointment that could cause us to quit. Yay! Team effort!

wendyland
01-07-2012, 09:50 PM
Not weighing is a good idea. I'd have to have my husband hide the scale. I'm a lookyloo. I did a pretty strict 30 days last summer. The scale went down a pound a day and then barely budged the rest of the month. It was pretty discouraging. I felt like I was doing lots of work but with no paycheck.

geoblewis
01-07-2012, 10:34 PM
I'm on the verge of putting my scale in the garage, for the exact reason you just stated, Wendy. I want to really focus on the effort for the next few months. I bought one of those fat calipers and a Myotape instead, and I'm blowing the dust off an old fitness/food journal to write it all down.

Admittedly, I'm not 100% Paleolithic. I tend to eat too much protein with some veggies, maybe 5 servings a day, but I struggle to get enough fiber. I do sprinkle chia seeds on my salads but during the winter, I like cooked veggies. I eat lots of spinach and kale, a little sweet potato and winter squas, but I get really big cravings every few days for grains. And it doesn't go away unless I cave to it. So I choose a controlled off-plan dip into grains with a slice or two of the Julian Bakery Smart Carb bread or a serving of Kashi 7 Whole Grain Pilaf. I'm trying to get over 30 gm of fiber a day but keep my carb level below 120 gm.

I've been tracking my macro percentages. I can't seem to get my fats below 50%. It's all healthy fats, my krill oil suppplements, olive oil, avocado, a handful of raw almonds. Not nearly how much fat I used to eat when cheese was really prevalent in my diet.

Still losing weight. Just very, very slowly!

banananutmuffin
01-08-2012, 09:50 AM
I have been staying pretty close to 100% (except some wine on Day 1 and some dark chocolate chips last night). Otherwise, no dairy, no grains, and no starchy veggies.

I've still been feeling lightheaded and dizzy at times. Also, my hunger gets CRAZY if I go too long between meals. It's possible I'm not eating enough fat, I guess.

I have dropped 4 pounds, but it's all water weight, since my clothes fit the same.

But I am committed to this for 30 days. I figure, even if I GAIN weight, it wouldn't be any worse of a diet than the serving bowls of spaghetti and loaf of texas toast that I was eating before. lol

babygrant
01-08-2012, 10:01 PM
I got a bit dizzy lyesterday afternoon so ate 1/2 cup of sweet potato with butter and voila, felt WAY better!

purdumse
01-14-2012, 04:47 AM
Hi there!!! I am going to do my very very best. I did pretty much primal for the past five days and just had a sugar and flour major binge! I work at a cafe and just went crazy with free pastries. Now I actually feel a bit drunk, it's so strange!! So I'm going to try progress not perfection. This time I am going to try to go six day primal 100% and on the seventh day I can eat whatever I want. I'm going to keep checking in on any changes. Damn, I hope I don't have to go through a carb flu again, or the nausea etc. that happened over the past couple days.

geoblewis
01-14-2012, 01:08 PM
I still fall into the carbs/dairy on occasion. And it's usually something I don't normally have. Like yesterday, I had such cravings for a Wendy's chocolate frosty. I got a small one and it was gone before I knew it. Then all I wanted was carbs! So I cooked whole wheat spaghetti and had a HUGE portion. And this morning, I realized a four-pound gain. Grrrrr! This morning, the carb craving is gone and I'm going back to my Paleo foods. Had a big cup of beef bone soup just now and am drinking lots of water. That seems to fix my carby cravings fairly well.

banananutmuffin
01-15-2012, 02:35 PM
Red wine is my occasional indulgence. Due to social events, I drank two nights in a row... and a little more than usual. Woke up today feeling terrible! Don't even plan to step on the scale. When I first work up, the first thing I wanted was a coke (my typical hungover indulgence). I didn't have it, though. Just made some black tea and powered through it. I wonder, too, if my urge for a coke had something to do with my blood sugar.

Anyway, feel wretched today, but know if I make it through today and tomorrow, I should be back to feeling "normal."

purdumse
01-15-2012, 06:02 PM
I think it's amazing that you can power through any cravings at all banananutmuffin, good on you! I seem to make a commitment to paleo and then cast it to the wayside anytime I feel like it. Today is day one again. Yesterday I was paleo until I passed a taco stand at one in the morning. I was probably just tired but I got a big chicken burrito with a flour tortilla and beans and ate the whole thing. I'm not going to lie, it was delicious. I'm back on today just finished a late breakfast/lunch of sugar snap peas and chicken breast cooked in coconut oil. So yummy. I'm going to power throuugh the rest of the day. I still get a little anxious that I'm going to have crazy cholesterol or something, maybe I should get some bloodwork done. Going from zero to sixty, mostly vegan to paleo is a bit of a mindf@#$. But I'm less hungry, that's for sure! Here's to another day of paleo, I'm gonna try to remember to book end myself and check in tomorrow saying I successful did ONE DAY of paleo!

purdumse
01-15-2012, 06:04 PM
And Geoblewis (is that the correct name? Forgetting...) Way to go with the bone soup, a much better choice! Amazing. I've got to take a page out of you and banananumuffins book and actually sit through a craving instead of immediately acting on it!

wendyland
01-16-2012, 11:20 PM
I've been taking the slower approach this time. I've done really well at not eating grains, especially wheat. The nice thing is that I haven't felt overwhelmed at quitting so many things at once. This week, I'm working at tapering off sugar and keeping dairy to a minimum.

I have fixings for taco salads tomorrow. It's the best way to get me to eat greens. i have a hard time eating salad in the winter.

banananutmuffin
01-17-2012, 12:01 PM
Three nights of drinking in a row and I felt like crap! I guess the one craving I can't power through is my red wine craving. lol

Still, I've stuck to the paleo diet. It's hardest on (hungover) mornings, when my body seems to be screaming for carbs and sugar. Not sure if it's because of the carbs from the alcohol the night before, or just the after effects of alcohol. Probably a combo of both.

After my initial quick loss of water weight, the scale number seems to have stopped/stalled. I expected this, though. I don't have a lot to lose, and am guessing everything here on out will be SLOW moving. Just going to try and stick to it, and see how things look in another few weeks.

But boy, it's hard to stay motivated when my body doesn't seem to be changing.

geoblewis
01-18-2012, 02:52 AM
I've got to take a page out of you and banananumuffins book and actually sit through a craving instead of immediately acting on it!

Purdumse, some days are easier than others. It's all a head game! The other day I had such a craving for fried food. I wanted it so badly! But I remembered how it didn't taste good at all the last time I blew through a KFC (used to be such a turn-on to go there!). I ended up in the parking lot next to a Long John Silver's and breathed in the aromas of the fried fish and hushpuppies until the feeling passed. Because really, I wasn't hungry and it was only a feeling. It was the first time I ever did that, but I wanted to win that one, just once.

Tonight, for dinner, I made stir-fried asparagus and grass-fed bison sirloin tips. It was delicious. But I wish asparagus and bison turned me on as much as KFC. Because then I would have been emotionally satisfied. As it is, I still want the KFC. And I hate Col. Sanders or whoever it was that really invented it and manipulated it so that I would have such huge cravings for it whenever I'm stressed, tired or pre-menstrual!

banananutmuffin
01-18-2012, 08:12 PM
But I wish asparagus and bison turned me on as much as KFC.

LOL! I had to laugh at this, because I know exactly what you mean and how you feel.

Have you seen the Paleo Comfort Food cookbook? It actually has a recipe for fried chicken that looks delicious. There's a biscuit recipe, too. Maybe not KFC, but perhaps an acceptable substitute.

I find myself not having too many bad cravings on this plan. Yeah, I probably could've dove face first into my kid's pizza today. And the other day I drove past a McDonald's and started salivating (just like Pavlov's dogs). But for the most part, the cravings are quick and manageable.

This has nothing to do with my willpower, though. I am, in general, a VERY weak willed person. I think it's simply because this time I want to drop the extra pounds more than I want the food.

Staceyh2012
01-27-2012, 04:43 AM
I'm just new to the Paleo (got the primal blueprint book yesterday) and I'm looking to starting it after the weekend. Has anyone actually lost a lot of weight on it? I need to lose 100lbs and I'm looking for thinspiration. Xxxz

FatToFitWife
01-27-2012, 07:52 AM
I'm starting today :) I'm trying to do paleo, but may end up closer to primal. I have the Paleo Comfort Foods cookbook coming today! :)

BerkshireGrl
01-27-2012, 08:48 AM
I'm just new to the Paleo (got the primal blueprint book yesterday) and I'm looking to starting it after the weekend. Has anyone actually lost a lot of weight on it? I need to lose 100lbs and I'm looking for thinspiration.

Stacey, I recommend the Success Stories at Mark's Daily Apple (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/category/success-story-summaries/#axzz1kf7uBqco) for inspiration galore! :)

geoblewis
01-27-2012, 11:54 AM
Stacey, I've got a lot of weight to lose. I started at 353 lbs. Down to 293 lbs. I stalled around 315 lbs, popped back up to 330 lbs, then learned switched to Paleo. The last 40+ pound loss was a combination of Paleo and Intermittent Fasting. I'm sticking to this because I have health issues that eating like this addresses. For me, going Paleo was about avoiding certain foods that led to other issues. I lost some weight with pure Paleo eating because my cravings were greatly diminished, hunger was more manageable due to blood sugar regulation, and my food sensitivities were eliminated. The IF helped me to cut calories and really helped me to stop being as obsessed about food and eating.

I still have a lot of weight to lose, but it doesn't feel so impossible. I'm hitting menopause, so there's going to be a bit of drag with the weight loss for a little time. I'm still losing, just not as quickly as I used to. Working on cutting calories even more. Over the holidaze I went off program and gained back 11 lbs. I've almost got all of that off (3.5 lbs left to go). Had to go on a leptin-resistance Paleo thing. I'm tracking all that here (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/carb-counters/251145-leptin-prescription-accountability.html#post4191496), if you care to follow along.

Joannavan
02-08-2012, 10:09 PM
Hello all,
I'm pretty new to the Paleo/wheat free lifestyle. I wouldn't say I'm 100% Paleo because I like cheese and the occasional latte:) I am 100% wheat free. I love not having the cravings associated with carbs! I feel like I have made a lifestyle change. I discovered the greatness of coconut oil!! Who knew??? I'm making more things at home and I've become more aware of the meat I eat.

Before starting this lifestyle, I lost maybe 5 lbs in 6 months working out. I had no idea that wheat was such a bad idea in a diet! I'm now down an additional 15 lbs. I really can't see myself ever going back to eating wheat. I love to know experiment with the almond and coconut flours.

wendyland
02-09-2012, 10:02 PM
Hello all,
I'm pretty new to the Paleo/wheat free lifestyle. I wouldn't say I'm 100% Paleo because I like cheese and the occasional latte:) I am 100% wheat free. I love not having the cravings associated with carbs! I feel like I have made a lifestyle change. I discovered the greatness of coconut oil!! Who knew??? I'm making more things at home and I've become more aware of the meat I eat.

Before starting this lifestyle, I lost maybe 5 lbs in 6 months working out. I had no idea that wheat was such a bad idea in a diet! I'm now down an additional 15 lbs. I really can't see myself ever going back to eating wheat. I love to know experiment with the almond and coconut flours.

Those are great results! I keep teetering back and forth. I'm fine at home, but can't say no to bread at social engagements or eating out. I really like almond four as a breading for chicken with some garlic powder and salt. YUM! I've made coconut flour biscuits, which turned out pretty good.

kaplods
02-11-2012, 09:01 PM
I love white chocolate hot cocoas, but the prepackaged mixes are all very non-paleo and extremely high carb. I've been trying to develop a fair compromise, and I've made two that are delicious and paleo (or nealry so).

1. Heat 8-12 ounces of almond milk in saucepan or in microwave, then stir in two tablespoons of Torani's Sugar Free White Chocolate Syrup (sweetened with Splenda - not all paleo plans allow Splenda, but many do).

This was good, but a little too sweet.


2. Heat 8-12 ounces of almond milk in saucepan or in microwave, then stir in a tablespoon of coconut butter (or coconut manna - essentially ground coconut).

This isn't as sweet, but with the natural sweetness in the almonds and the coconut, I didn't miss the additional sweetener.

ikiryo
02-12-2012, 01:23 AM
Hey, paleo dieters: Have you found that you build/retain muscle better with this lifestyle, than before when you were munching bread?

geoblewis
02-12-2012, 01:53 AM
Have you found that you build/retain muscle better with this lifestyle, than before when you were munching bread?

Since going paleo and cutting the grains, dairy and legumes, I have definitely built more muscle. We know that the protein feeds the muscle building. But what was more important to me was adequately eating protein to get past the soreness so I could get right back into the next scheduled workout. When I wasn't eating enough protein, I'd hurt for days and days.

midwife
02-12-2012, 02:52 PM
Hope you all don't mind out if I hang out in here.

I've been pondering addiction, addictive tendencies, self-harm issues, coping methods, etc. Even before Whitney Houston's death yesterday, I'd been considering how people cope with addiction. I know that my own tendencies are not on par with, say, heroin or oxycontin or crack or alcohol, and I will never face the type of legal or employment consequences people with those addictions face. Nonetheless, I am trying to come to grips with why I make choices that do harm my body. I'm at the point where I either need to clean up my food and lose weight OR stop running, because I am too heavy to run right now. My knees are grouching at me. The foods I eat are negatively affecting my health in both obvious and subtle ways.

I know a lot of people can lose weight with moderation or calorie counting, but I think I need to quit sugar and white flour. I just need to quit.

Other people have successfully quit other far more addictive substances.

I'm looking at the Whole30 and I like that. I've followed those principles before. Not sure why I think "just one bite" is okay...one turns into two and more and more and I feel like garbage.

ikiryo
02-12-2012, 03:19 PM
Since going paleo and cutting the grains, dairy and legumes, I have definitely built more muscle. We know that the protein feeds the muscle building. But what was more important to me was adequately eating protein to get past the soreness so I could get right back into the next scheduled workout. When I wasn't eating enough protein, I'd hurt for days and days.

Thank you. This is basically what I was thinking it would do. And I have found that my muscle recovery is far better than it was before when carbs took up a percentage of my diet.

geoblewis
02-12-2012, 03:49 PM
Not sure why I think "just one bite" is okay...one turns into two and more and more and I feel like garbage.

Midwife, I highly recommend The End of Overeating (http://www.amazon.com/End-Overeating-Insatiable-American-Appetite/dp/B004NSVE32/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1329075205&sr=1-1) by David Kessler. It really opened my eyes about how much modern times have aided in creating and fostering addictions to food. And you're right, it's that first bite that is the gateway to losing control. I haven't finished reading the book yet, but there is a plan on how to learn to manage those moments when you're about to capitulate to that first bite.

Another thing that I've found immensely helpful is Emotional Brain Training (http://www.ebt.org/). I'm practicing that technique now (have been for some time) and I find it exceptionally helpful with dealing with the rabbit trail of emotions that lead me to overeat, as well as other destructive behaviors. I've been able to step away from situations and people that keep me mired in the old mindset of using food to manage my emotions. I really believe it's why I have been able to maintain my focus on weight loss efforts.

I have a lot more weight to lose and a lot of challenges that prevent it from melting off at a steady rate. But Whole30, Paleolithic principals are what fuels my success.

thistoo
02-14-2012, 09:30 AM
I'm looking at the Whole30 and I like that. I've followed those principles before. Not sure why I think "just one bite" is okay...one turns into two and more and more and I feel like garbage.

I'm on day 20 of Whole 30 and so far I feel great and haven't had any trouble sticking with the plan. I haven't lost as much weight as I'd hoped, but it's worth it to feel so much better. Once my 30 days are up I will stick with a Paleo diet, maybe not Whole 30 strict all the time, but for the most part I don't see much need to veer from the Whole 30 principles.

willow650
02-14-2012, 03:39 PM
I have been reading a lot about paleo eating a lot of the last few days. I have also been interested in only eating grassfed meats for a long time. Do any of you do grass fed? If so, do you get it local or online?

thistoo
02-14-2012, 03:41 PM
I have been reading a lot about paleo eating a lot of the last few days. I have also been interested in only eating grassfed meats for a long time. Do any of you do grass fed? If so, do you get it local or online?

We have a local organic market that sells grass fed meat, so when I get it, that's where I buy it. I can't always afford to eat exactly to paleo standards, but I do the best I can. Grass fed steak is a once in a while treat for me.

willow650
02-14-2012, 04:12 PM
I just found a company in Texas, that ships free in the US, it seems pretty reasonable to me, I'm going to order, and see how long it last me. This is what I ordered

10lbs Ground Beef, 90% lean: sm

2pks Kerrygold Butter Unsalted

3pks Smoked Ham Slices

1 Pastured Whole Chicken Roaster

2pks Boneless/Skinless Breasts

2pks Bone-In Thighs

2pks Drum Sticks

5lbs Ground Chicken

2pks Italian Chicken Sausage

1 Hawaii's Gold Macadamia Nut Oil

this was a little less than 300.00 it should last about a month and 1/2 I think. maybe more(Family of 4 - 1 adult, 3 kids)

geoblewis
02-15-2012, 12:20 PM
I can get grass-fed ground beef and ground bison at my local supermarket. I can get grass-fed lamb there as well. I can get wild-caught fish there too, when it's in season.

I get pastured eggs from a local CSA. I use them because I have a soy intollerance and chickens don't completely digest soy feed and it passes through to the eggs and meat. (And I know some sciency people who tell me that's not true, but I still have soy-intollerance reactions to the meat and eggs from regular poultry. So there!!!!) I have had to try out different poultry products because of my soy intollerance. They all say their chickens are fed a vegetarian diet. But the Rocky brand seems to be soy free. And there are a few others too.

There's a market just over an hour away from me and I like to go there to get my Thanksgiving turkey because it's completely range-fed. All their meats are grass-fed, so I will load up for the holidays.

I have ordered wild salmon online. Costco carries some wild fish and grass-fed meats. They were carrying some really good bison steaks for a bit. Wish I bought more, because when I went back to get some last weekend, they were all gone. I HATE that! I can order the same bison steaks online, but they are much more expensive. There are some canned tunas that are pole-caught. I get some shipped to me through Amazon, but saw that Costco carries them too...for now. I get wild-caught sardines too.

geoblewis
02-18-2012, 01:26 AM
I'm freaking out a little tonight. I'm a type 2 for a few years now and I've managed it all with diet and exercise for many years. In the last year I went Paleo, but kept dipping my toe into grains, dairy and sugar, almost daily. I kept thinking it was such a small thing, here and there.


Well, I finally bought a glucometer this week and discovered that ANY dip into the non-Paleo food list made my blood sugar go too high. I fasted for one day after having a few slices of pizza on Valentines Day and all but one of my tests were too high. The next day, I thought I'd maybe be able to get away with a little bit of Pirate Booty and a slice of my really low carb high fiber bread. Same reaction!


The other thing I really have to manage better is portion control. For breakfast I had eggs with spinach and onion. I cooked a lot of spinach and a half an onion. Even that made my blood sugar pop up. I skipped lunch and had an early dinner. Less carbs than breakfast, so lower blood sugar numbers.


Tomorrow I'm adding exercise back into the mix (have been sick/injured for a couple weeks). Hopefully that'll help even more and I won't have to freak out so much about the food. If I don't start losing weight with these new stricter measures, I'm probably going to have to go on medication. And I don't want that!

Michelle Grey
02-18-2012, 09:29 AM
Hello all. I am working to lose weight with excersize and a pseudo-Paleo diet.
I say pseudo loosely as I have every intention of going whole30 but am easing into it. It has been my experience that "diets" attempts always fail me. I am looking to make a lifestyle change. I have existing health issues that Primal eating and excersize promise to address. I have cut out all sugar for the past 2 weeks. I think I experienced the carb flu, am fine now. I found if I eat ANYTHING sugary, I will cave to my cravings for sweets.. I am that addicted to sugar!
I have a lot of energy lately which really helps me get through a workout.
I do have issues with cutting out most fruits. I know they contain fructose and thus the sugar perpetuation. But doesn't the healthy side of eating fresh whole fruits with their antioxidant properties outweigh the sugar fear?
I'm am also struggling with the idea that for real weight loss, we must do at least 60-90 mins. of some cardio/ strengtht train DAILY. Phew...
That part is discouraging (as I ready myself for my daily 2 ml. dog walk). Will check back in an hour or so. Thanks for reading and any empathy or advice is welcome:))

Michelle Grey
02-18-2012, 03:32 PM
On a side note, I am in the dark about these acronyms. Any lists available or what not? Thanks!

Joannavan
02-22-2012, 10:52 PM
I ate a little bit of a muffin that had palm sugar in it, now I feel a bit bloated. I'm wondering if it's the palm sugar or something else. Blaaahh!

Joannavan
02-22-2012, 10:55 PM
Hi Michelle, I really like coconut oil and I find if I can keep my glucose levels neutral I don't get cravings. I like the idea of being able to have a big steak and veggies and not feeling guilty. Who knew all along that it was the bread rolls that caused the crashes!

Michelle Grey
02-23-2012, 06:04 AM
Joannavan, I bought some more coconut oil yesterday. Wow..$13!!
Need to find where to purchase a less expensive brand, perhaps. I have been sautéing veggies in 2tbs. of the stuff at least 2 x a day. As for fruit...
Jury is still out with me as to whether or not I am going to eliminate them, period. Just hard to wrap my head around the notion that eliminating any " whole food " like fruit, is good for weight loss... Not to mention the healthy benefits they add to our diet ( vitamins, minerals & fiber ) that we need.

thistoo
02-23-2012, 07:30 AM
Michelle, check out Vitacost.com

They have good prices on things like coconut oil (I paid less than $10 for the extra virgin coconut oil I ordered from them) and a flat $5 shipping rate on any size order. I order all my supplements from them as well, plus things like face lotion and black soap.

I still eat fruit, just in moderation. I usually have at least two servings a day and so far it hasn't hurt my weight loss, but I have a lot further to go than you.

PS: If the acronym you're wondering about is the CSA Georgia mentioned, it stands for 'community sustained agriculture'. It just means local farmers who sell their products straight to their local community rather than to restaurants or resellers, thus the community helps the local farmers stay in business.

Michelle Grey
02-24-2012, 06:05 AM
Thanks for the encouragement,Caroline:)


I will check out that link. Meanwhile, I feel like I am not eating enough " variety" and seems maybe I am eating too much meat?!

Still hard to let go of this CW about diet & nutrition. Oh well, on a side note; I was able to get back into old pair of size smaller jeans today, despite the scales not budging. I have researched this Paleo lifestyle and everything is primal (down to going barefoot..ha) and it is still scary to me eating saturated fats and not counting calories. I had better not come out on the other side of this diet in a few months with an even bigger butt! LOL!

thistoo
02-24-2012, 07:24 AM
To be honest, I was afraid to try paleo because I gained weight on Atkins. (Way too many 'Atkins-friendly' desserts, and those one minute muffins got me into all kinds of trouble!) But I'm glad I gave it another go with more vegetables and none of the bacon, because I've lost just over 12 pounds so far.

I'm a little scared of what my cholesterol level might be (it went way up on Atkins, but I used Atkins as an excuse to eat bacon at pretty much every meal) but other than that I feel great. I haven't really lost this week, but I'm in the middle of TOM so I'm hopeful that it's temporary. I do count calories, but I don't think I've been eating enough this week for my fitness level. Pushing my calories UP is the hardest thing for me, for the first time in my life.

Congratulations on the jeans! That's my favorite kind of non-scale victory. I have clothes hanging all over my house that I am trying to fit back into. It looks like a thrift store in here.

Michelle Grey
02-24-2012, 04:04 PM
"... looks like a thrift store in here"

Ha! I love it. I, too dropped a pant size. Just put on a pair from the back of my closet. Grok on:)

Michelle Grey
02-25-2012, 06:44 AM
Good Morning!

I recently read an article promoting 'mindful awareness'. It was written for those of us ( yes me )who have a tendency to obsess about what to eat next.
In the article he wrote, if we stay very focused on the task at hand then it will eventually train our brains not to wander. Ha! Good try.

In all seriousness, it has been my experience that control over my self-sabotaging behaviors has been very much a state of mind. Giving myself a few minutes before I impulsively grab that candy bar at the check out counter makes it easier to "just say no" to my sweet tooth. How good does it feel later on when you have conquered a craving like that? Pretty awesome, I say!

I was most successful in my past efforts to eat healthy and not eat junk when I 'set my mind' to it. I truly believe that a high percentage of control over my addictions have been staying mindful and learning to tell myself ( much like a kid) no.

On a side note, yesterday was a particularly tough one with my DH and step-son around all day. We only get to see Cody every other weekend. He loves a good 'home cooked' meal which in his case means homemade Mac n cheese, casseroles ( laden in butter and cream sauces ) etc. And always there is cookies! So I felt especially proud to have turned away from the Toll House, and ate my hard-boiled egg, blueberries and a handful of almonds.

Now prayers are needed for the rest of the weekend!
Hope everyone has an enjoyable weekend and get outside for some fresh air and maybe a stroll around the block this morning. You'll feel ready to face the day with a dazzling smile:)

thistoo
02-25-2012, 10:22 AM
Good luck, Michelle! That is a lot of temptation to resist indeed.

I completed my Whole 30 yesterday for a total of 14 pounds lost. I feel really good, and proud of myself for sticking with it. I had some creamer in my coffee this morning, but other than that I will continue to stick with this way of eating long-term.

This morning I woke up at 5:00 am (on a Saturday! Pathetic.) and I've already done 45 minutes on the spin bike. In a little while I'll go to my sister's house for 45 minutes of strength training (P90X) and then I have to grocery shop and go look for some new jeans. Not really looking forward to that, but at least the sizes are going back down.

Michelle Grey
02-25-2012, 11:08 AM
P90X looks really intense! On top of all that excercise, don't forget how many calories burnt shopping:))

Gotta love it when the clothes start getting loose!

fozentusic
02-25-2012, 08:32 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm dipping my toes into the paleo world after a year-ish on South Beach Diet. I'm looking to paleo to help me avoid the temptation of grains which nearly always end up with me stuffing my face like a crazed maniac, and hoping that eliminating dairy will help with my GI issues. I've been a week grain-free now, but still am hooked on my lattes and the occasional greek yogurt or bit of cheese. Baby steps.

Finding some really great blogs and recipes along the way!

Michelle Grey
02-26-2012, 06:57 AM
Hi Forzentusic!
I think you will enjoy the physical adjustments to eating Paleo/ Primal immediate once the dairy and grains are completely elemenated. starch mach used to gurgle and it was down right LOUD... embarrassing. My IBS is a thing of the past and I am only 20days eating strictly Paleo. I have also dropped one pant size. Not watching the scales... Just my measurements as I am building muscle.

I tried SB however, after I got through phase one I fell back into eating carbs and with a vengeance! Here's a very informative site to get more info and great recipes: marksdailyapple.com. His book, the Primal Plueprint is a real must have, IMO. Gook luck and feel great!



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thistoo
02-26-2012, 09:16 AM
but still am hooked on my lattes and the occasional greek yogurt or bit of cheese.

I thought giving up yogurt would be the hardest thing for me, but now that it's gone I don't really miss it. I think you'll find the positives of feeling as good as you do on paleo outweigh pretty much any food that you think you can't live without.

That said, my sister's mostly paleo and she still indulges in a sugar free vanilla latte with 2% milk about once a week, and it hasn't hurt her at all. She's not trying to lose weight, so for her it's just a lifestyle. I expect to be able to fit occasional indulgences like that into my plan once I'm done with my weight loss (though I'm an iced Americano girl, so lattes won't be my indulgence!)

willow650
02-27-2012, 02:47 PM
What's everyone's fav paleo sites? I love Nerdfitness, and like nomnompaleo, Marksdailyapple and paleodietlifestyle. The Stuffed Pork tenderloin on paleodietlifestyle is really good.

Michelle Grey
02-28-2012, 09:26 AM
Hi Mandy! I really like marksdailyapple.com
Have all his books and is just easy for me to follow. Right one I don't feel like I am " following" a diet... Just a change a life's bad habits that CW has lead me to believe is good for me. As a recent BC survivor, I've a vested interest in living a pure and healthy lifestyle. Yes, you really can reprogram your gene expression!

fozentusic
02-28-2012, 07:31 PM
my fave sites are:
marksdailyapple.com
paleomg.com
nomnompaleo.com
paleoparents.com
paleoplan.com
whole9life.com

My go-to source for recipes is Pinterest. I follow a whole load of paleo/primal boards!

Doing well on the grains, but still eating some cheese ;) I think once it's out of the house it will be even easier. My 2yo son is obsessed with yogurt so I've been feeding it all to him.

Michelle Grey
02-29-2012, 07:22 AM
I would love to get some of those recipes from Pinterest, Fozentusic:)

geoblewis
02-29-2012, 01:58 PM
Finally hitting pretty close to 100% Paleo. Wasn't sure how well it was working for me in general since I'm doing so many different things to help improve my health. But over the last few days several people have mentioned how good my skin was looking. I have rosacea. Wasn't doing anything to deal with it or diminish it, but it seems the closer I get to purely Paleo, the better my skin looks. More even toned overall.

I'm also feeling pretty fabulous now. Loads of energy, blood sugars starting to look better (not perfect but lower by at least 20 pts. overall) and I'm feeling more refreshed in the mornings after a good night's sleep.

Wasn't finding weight loss with Paleo until I cut calories. Cutting calories while still eating grains, legumes and dairy wasn't really happening. All I could do was maintain.

fozentusic
02-29-2012, 08:24 PM
I would love to get some of those recipes from Pinterest, Fozentusic:)

Just go to pinterest.com and type paleo in the search bar. Prepare to be amazed!

Mizzthingaling
03-01-2012, 12:30 AM
Hi all. My mom and I are starting paleo for March. Well be starting with a no meat start and then adding it back after 9 days.

Michelle Grey
03-01-2012, 07:48 AM
Thanks, Fozentusic:)
@ Georgia, I noticed my energy level improving a few days ago, after a couple of weeks in the throws of "healing" from all the years of processed junk, diet drinks, grains, legumes and sugary stuff. Last night I actually slept 7 hours straight through the night. That's monumental for me. Like you, I had to do some tweeking of my eating habits. Now the scales are beginning to drop. Yes!
@Mizzthingaling, welcome! Primal/Paleo has been life changing for me. Never heard of starting eating Paleo without meat, though. All the best on your journey!

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Michelle Grey
03-03-2012, 07:29 AM
Went to my Oncologist Appt. yesterday. Her scales read 5 lbs. Higher than mine. I KNEW it! Lol!

So now I am discouraged again about the weigh loss potential on this plan of eating. I am eating 100%, exercising daily( sometimes2xday), and watching my portions.
I am now 5 weeks into the program. I went through all the "healing" from my years of junk food eating and expected to see the lbs. Dropping by now.

I have had good success on SBD in past. But the weight came back. I think I learned a thing or two about myself and eating habits since then. I am considering going back to SBD. Any thoughts?

geoblewis
03-03-2012, 12:31 PM
I haven't found success at losing weight with this way of eating because I tended to eat the same amount of calories. I really believe weight loss is about cutting the calories. So any food plan that can help you stick with the food choices that are of benefit to your body and still helps you cut back calories is going to work.

Going Paleo really helped me cut out all the food that just wasn't doing anything for me. There are people who think giving up the occasional doughnut (or whatever food one feels they MUST still have) is crazy. I think it's crazy to feel entitled to have a doughnut. The doughnut is not evil. It's just a doughnut. If eating a doughnut doesn't lead to other uncontrolled indulgences, then fine, eat the doughnut! For my body, I just can't go there ever again.

I had tried doing Weight Watchers Paleo style and found it didn't work at all because I'm a big woman and their points system wasn't working for me. I had to find another way to manage the amount of food I'm eating. And for me, it's measuring my blood sugar. For some reason, if my blood sugar is over a certain number when I think I want to eat, I am able to tell myself to wait until it drops to a healthy range, under 100. Once I started doing that, I was able to control blood sugar better and I started to lose weight a little faster. Just discovered this a few days ago, so I'm still working out the bugs, but it helps me stay on track.

Michelle Grey
03-03-2012, 07:39 PM
Like you, I can't indulge in that "one" doughnut.. I would eventually eat them all. I believe myself to be addicted to sugar. Just like an alcoholic mustn't have just "one" drink. But that is me. Right now, I've got a bag of dark chocolate mini's. That's all the sweets I have and yet when I do indulge, I find myself obsessing about them.
As far as 'weight loss', going to be gentler on myself. Want that instant gratification and it's only been 5 weeks. Took a while for my body to detox...oops, I mean "heal" from junk. So in time, I know the weight will come off. Btw, does anyone do IF? I take meds and have to take with food so wouldn't work for me. Personally think it a bit rad?


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thistoo
03-04-2012, 02:41 PM
You eat daily on IF, but if you have to take your meds in the morning, for instance, you'd have to adjust a little. Shorter fasts or breakfast-to-breakfast might work, if you wanted to try it.

I did my first 24-hour fast yesterday and it was okay. I can't say I've had any results yet because I wasn't home to weigh myself this morning, but I wasn't unmanageably hungry during the actual fast. I feel like I ate a lot more in the evening than I normally would have, but I wasn't in my own house (I was dogsitting this weekend) and that made it harder because I didn't have *my* food, if that makes sense.

I didn't go off the rails, calorie-wise, but I ate some popcorn, which is obviously not paleo-friendly, and it was really salty, so I imagine I'm retaining water today. I wouldn't have eaten the popcorn if I was home, of course, because I don't keep popcorn in my house. It was probably a better choice than the chips and pretzels that were also in the house I was staying in. :shrug:

Anyway, my point is that I'll have to watch myself in future to make sure I don't overcompensate after a fast day. My next scheduled 24-hour fast is on Wednesday. I'm interested to see how it'll go during a full day of work. I did work part of the day Saturday, so I think it'll be okay.

As for sugar addiction, I always assumed that was my problem as well, but now that I've given up wheat completely I find it a lot easier to control myself with chocolate in the house than it was before when I was eating 'healthy' grains. So maybe my problem was wheat sensitivity all along.

kaplods
03-04-2012, 03:33 PM
Went to my Oncologist Appt. yesterday. Her scales read 5 lbs. Higher than mine. I KNEW it! Lol!

So now I am discouraged again about the weigh loss potential on this plan of eating. I am eating 100%, exercising daily( sometimes2xday), and watching my portions.
I am now 5 weeks into the program. I went through all the "healing" from my years of junk food eating and expected to see the lbs. Dropping by now.

I have had good success on SBD in past. But the weight came back. I think I learned a thing or two about myself and eating habits since then. I am considering going back to SBD. Any thoughts?


Why are you discouraged by the fact that your doctor's scale weighs you differently than your home scale? It doesn't change how much weight you've lost, AND just because the scale is in a doctor's office doesn't guarantee that the scale is more accurate. Both balance scales and digital scales can lose accuracy.

My doctor's office has two scales (very expensive digital ones with handrails) and there's about a 4 lb difference between the two scales. One weighs me about 2 lbs lighter than my home scale and the other about 2 lbs heavier (it's more like 1.5 and 2.5).


As to my thoughts on SBD, In my opinion, In my opinion, for weight loss, Paleo "trumps" SBD. If you have trouble losing on Paleo, there's a really good chance that you'll have even more trouble on SBD.

That's been my experience. I lose best on extremely low-carb such as Atkins induction, but I feel terrible on it. Then I tried South Beach. I felt better (than on Atkins) but after the first month, I stopped losing weight (even when I returned to Phase I). I even gained on SBD if I wasn't very careful with grains. That's what led me to Paleo.

I do pretty well on Paleo, but I still can overeat (especially the carby foods like fruit), so I had to add a "counting" method of some type. I found that I always need a counting method of some type, whether I'm trying to eat Atkins-style (which I do during PMS to help prevent water weight gain), South-Beach style (which I do when I am really craving grains - though I eat high-protein grains like wild rice and quinoa), or Paleo-style. To count, I use an exchange plan, but I can apply what I've learned from Atkins, South Beach, and the many paleo diet books I've read (my favorite is still the first, Neanderthin).

I also feel much, much better on Paleo than on SBD. My skin issues (rosacea, oily skin with a tendency to break out, seborrheic dermatitis, inflamation, flaking and sometimes worse) disappear when I'm not eating grains. My arthrits and fibromyalgia pain flares are less severe and less frequent, and my sinus issues improve also. On SBD the issues are better, but not nearly as much so as on Paleo. As for weight loss, even with the calorie (exchange) counting, I lose better on Paleo than on SBD.


Everyone is different, so maybe for some reason, you would do better on SBD, but that certainly hasn't been my experience. For me, Paleo is the plan that I feel the best physically on, and lose weight best on.

willow650
03-06-2012, 03:31 PM
I just started a 6week challenge on NerdFitness.com. my goals are no less than 4 days at the gym and no less than 5 days being as close to paleo as I can get.

Here's my food log for the first 2 days.

Day 1
Breakfast-3 cage free eggs and some turkey crumbles,
Large Coffee with 2 oz almond milk and 2oz 1% milk

Lunch-leftover free range roasted chicken and a bunch of asparagus

Dinner- Hamburger steaks made with grass fed beef and free range chicken, sliced portabella mushrooms and roasted mixed veggies

Day 2-
Breakfast- 3 Cage free eggs and some turkey sausage crumbles(I really love these)
Large Coffee with 2 oz almond milk and 2oz 1% milk

Lunch- Beef Tips and Broccoli

Snack- Apple and Almond butter

Dinner- Spaghetti (cabbage, organic sauce and grass fed beef)

freedomreins
03-06-2012, 04:57 PM
Willow, I just joined the NF challenge too. My username there is supercanuck - I don't know how to work the forum yet but maybe we can be friends and motivate each other on there??

willow650
03-11-2012, 12:36 PM
Hey supercanuck, I just found you there, you have responded to my blog once..lol. I sent you a friend request there

geoblewis
03-18-2012, 09:00 PM
I've been caught up with recent type 2 diabetes issues, hyper-focusing on trying to figure out how to control my blood sugar. I have to give up the Intermittent Fasting until I lose enough weight so that my blood sugar doesn't pop up too high any longer. I've tested my blood sugar throughout a few fasting days and was disappointed to discover that it simply will not go down to a safe range unless I eat on a regular basis.

But as long as I remain strictly Paleo, my blood sugar does much better. As long as I don't overeat. In the morning my blood sugar starts off high and will just go higher if I eat more than 20 gm of protein at a meal. The same goes for going over 5 net gm of carbohydrate and 10 gm of fat. So that's the parameters I'm stuck with. That means for breakfast I can have non-starchy veg, and a much smaller portion of protein and fat than I'm accustomed to. My remaining meals look pretty much the same but I seem to handle blood sugar better later in the day so I can eat a little more protein and fat, but not carbs.

I'm in the process of creating some go-to combos for meals. Breakfast is going to have to be nothing more than a single poached egg on some sauteed greens, and I have to eat that first thing in the morning to get my body to stop accessing stored fats and flooding my system with glycogen in the mornings. It's okay for everybody else, but my pancrease is too lazy to deal with it.

Maybe with the very tight control over the blood sugar I'll finally be able to pick up the weight loss pace!

thistoo
03-26-2012, 11:22 AM
Georgia, I really feel for you with your struggle to find the right balance. It's frustrating when it's this hard for some of us, especially when others seem to have an easier time of it.

I have been struggling with my own balance recently. March, in short, has sucked for weight loss. Ever since I finished my Whole 30 and added back a few things (just dark chocolate and wine, mostly) my weight loss has stalled. This past week I was on vacation, and while I managed to avoid wheat the whole time, I couldn't avoid rice entirely. So I don't appear to have gained while on vacation, but I didn't lose either. Normally that would be a victory, but I was really expecting to be below 200 before I left, and that didn't happen.

I'm hanging on to the hope that once TOM ends in a few days I'll see a number in the 100s. As of yesterday I am back on strict Whole 30 for the next six weeks, when I will be leaving town again. We'll see if the strict restriction of grains does the trick to get things moving again. I'm not sure what else to do at this point.

tammylj
03-26-2012, 06:12 PM
I just found a company in Texas, that ships free in the US, it seems pretty reasonable to me, I'm going to order, and see how long it last me. This is what I ordered

10lbs Ground Beef, 90% lean: sm

2pks Kerrygold Butter Unsalted

3pks Smoked Ham Slices

1 Pastured Whole Chicken Roaster

2pks Boneless/Skinless Breasts

2pks Bone-In Thighs

2pks Drum Sticks

5lbs Ground Chicken

2pks Italian Chicken Sausage

1 Hawaii's Gold Macadamia Nut Oil

this was a little less than 300.00 it should last about a month and 1/2 I think. maybe more(Family of 4 - 1 adult, 3 kids)

I'm going to be starting the Whole30 before long and I was just reading through the thread. I was wondering if you can tell me what company this is? Seems like good prices! Thanks!

mindchange4me
03-26-2012, 09:15 PM
Newbie to this site and loving it! I have been eating the paleo way since Oct 2011. I strive to eat paleo way 80% of the time during the month. This has been working great for me. I basically have 6 "cheat" days a month.

I to have been looking into the whole30 . Seems very interesting to me!

sontaikle
04-03-2012, 10:31 AM
Hi Everyone,

Over the past few months I've slowly been switching to a Primal lifestyle. By my estimates I'm at around 90% only because I haven't quite quit my diet soda habit.

It's funny, giving up grains was much easier than I thought it would be. I did slowly wean my way off them, so perhaps that helped. I don't even want pizza anymore and pizza has always been a favorite food of mine. In fact, this weekend when I had a very non-Primal day my insides were NOT HAPPY with me and I had trouble sleeping! Not worth it!

I've noticed several things since I began moving toward the Primal diet, but mostly that I have maintained my weight while losing an inch off my hips, waist, ribcage, and bust. This is a big thing when you're down in the single digit pant sizes as that means one moves into the next size. I'm a pretty solid size 0 now. The muscles in my arms and legs are more defined and I seem to have lost some of the "jiggle" around my midsection.

I'm viewing this whole thing as a bit of a science experiment. I'm finding that my results are very interesting and I hope to continue eating this way to see how I turn out :)

willow650
04-06-2012, 12:26 PM
I'm going to be starting the Whole30 before long and I was just reading through the thread. I was wondering if you can tell me what company this is? Seems like good prices! Thanks!


http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/

Rainbowgirl
04-15-2012, 06:02 AM
Hello hello! I'm over on NF too! I just joined that site last night- username "GoGo"!

I've been contemplating the Paleo way for a while now and thought "what the heck?" I'll give it a try.

I don't eat bread anyway, or drink milk all that often (or eat cheese or yogurt much). The hardest thing to potentially give up will be the spaghetti and, of course, my old friends "Coca-Cola" and chocolate.

So far, I've done really well the past 2 days.

Yesterday's breakfast:
3 scrambled eggs w/ a bit of goat cheese and some bell pepper mixed in
glass of water
banana

Snack: banana and some zucchini slices

Dinner: grilled rockfish w/ steamed asparagus and 1 can of Coke (I know, I know!)

Today I had:
breakfast: 2 egg muffins (made with eggs, mushrooms, green onions, bell pepper, bit of cheese) and some zucchini slices with an apple and a tall glass of water.
lunch: another egg muffin and a banana
Dinner: ok I flubbed here, sort of. Mom made DELICIOUS cream of vegetable soup using skim milk. Potatoes, brussel sprouts, onion, carrots, cauliflower. Not too horrible. Can of Coke.
Desert: Popcorn (so not Paleo).

I also did a 35 minute hike today, including a sprint and 10 reps of squats.
Tomorrow I'm going swimming for a few hours.

crazygurl61
04-15-2012, 12:25 PM
Hi! I've been on Dr. Crantons elimination diet for 30 days now and am looking to switch into primal when I'm done (the diet ends Tuesday). I must say I have loved the way I've felt on this diet and have been able to loose a lot of weight- close to 12 lbs so far, without being hungry. I ate a lot of crap foods before.

geoblewis
04-15-2012, 01:57 PM
It's almost wild salmon season and I'm looking forward to having some shipped in from Alaska soon. I am going to a butcher this week that's about 70 minutes from my house to load up on grass fed meats. My CSA started delivering veggies and eggs two weeks ago. And I've joined a group of friends to work on a communal organic garden this year. We're planting tomatoes in two weeks!

I'm going to eat well this summer!

sontaikle
04-15-2012, 02:11 PM
breakfast: 2 egg muffins (made with eggs, mushrooms, green onions, bell pepper, bit of cheese) and some zucchini slices with an apple and a tall glass of water.


Do you have a recipe for the muffins? One thing I really miss is just having a big muffin in the morning. Even before I was trying to move to Primal and just calorie counting I stopped eating them. Over 600 calories for one muffin? Ummmm no. :lol:

It's almost wild salmon season and I'm looking forward to having some shipped in from Alaska soon. I am going to a butcher this week that's about 70 minutes from my house to load up on grass fed meats. My CSA started delivering veggies and eggs two weeks ago. And I've joined a group of friends to work on a communal organic garden this year. We're planting tomatoes in two weeks!

I'm going to eat well this summer!

You have me drooling! I love salmon and could honestly eat it all the time :)

I'm also going to start moving my butt and growing my own tomatoes. My family usually does that every year, along with basil and a few other veggies. One of my favorite things last year was going outside, picking tomatoes and basil and having a nice lunch :)

Ann72
04-18-2012, 03:24 PM
Hi there!

I am getting back on a paleo/primal way to eating. I lost about 25 lbs last year eating this way and I felt great. Unfortunately, i got off track around the holidays and haven't gotten back on, but I'm ready to now.

Hope to frequent this thread to give/get support.

Thanks,
Ann

Rainbowgirl
04-18-2012, 04:02 PM
Do you have a recipe for the muffins? One thing I really miss is just having a big muffin in the morning. Even before I was trying to move to Primal and just calorie counting I stopped eating them. Over 600 calories for one muffin? Ummmm no. :lol:

These are super-duper simple to make:

You'll need:
As many eggs as you'd like (I used 6 and it made 8 muffins but if you don't add anything to them I think 6 makes around 6 muffins or so I've heard).
Any veggies you like (see my previous post for what I used)
A bit of cheese if you're primal, no cheese if you're paleo.
Salt'n pepper to taste (I didn't add any).

Mix it all together in a pitcher or a big glass measuring bowl that has a lip (easier to pour).

Add just a dash of water and whisk some more.

Line muffin tins. Alternatively, you COULD line the tins with bacon but I don't eat bacon because a) it's too salty for me (my right ankle swells up like a balloon when I eat salt) and b) it's too processed for my liking, and pork is one of the most tampered with meats in terms of antibiotics and whatnot, from my understanding. But, you could like the muffin tins with bacon and throw them in the oven until they just barely cook into that shape.

Pour the egg mixture into each muffin cup until about 3/4 full, give or take. They do puff up a bit when they cook.

Cook at 350F until eggs are cooked right through. Took me 40 minutes or so to get mine done but I used silicon liners and that may have something to do with it is.

Pop out of the pan and enjoy! :D

thistoo
04-19-2012, 10:25 AM
Alternatively, you COULD line the tins with bacon

I use prosciutto. Also too salty for you, Rainbowgirl, but I think it adds a nice flavor. Then I slice up an avocado and divide it among the cups, crack an egg in each one, and bake at 375 for 18 minutes. I spray the muffin tin really well first to keep the egg from sticking.

FattyFatFat
05-02-2012, 04:45 AM
I have never heard of this, but reading some of the post makes me a bit more curious. I'm going to do a bit of research, and who knows what might happen from there.

Eruanna
05-06-2012, 03:06 AM
I'm about to partake in a '6-week Primal Challenge' through the Crossfit gym I go to. I've been reading up about it and starting to make a few changes, so for me this challenge has come up at the right time.

It starts in a week so I'm reading up, searching for recipies, and getting the cupboards organised!

BerkshireGrl
07-12-2012, 09:05 AM
How you all doing? :wave:

I just finished what I like to call my cowboy breakfast of coffee, eggs and bacon... having a tough week, and getting back on track today! I'm determined to get out of the 230s! :sumo:

LiloLink
07-12-2012, 06:42 PM
Ahh, I'm so excited that there's a Paleo/Primal thread! :) I've lost 34 pounds so far this year eating this way and have 75+ pounds to go. I would love to help revive this thread a bit and keep up with you all!

pgun3
07-12-2012, 06:49 PM
Ahh, I'm so excited that there's a Paleo/Primal thread! :) I've lost 34 pounds so far this year eating this way and have 75+ pounds to go. I would love to help revive this thread a bit and keep up with you all!

how long have you been working with Paleo?
thanks
Penny

paulny
11-01-2012, 11:31 AM
Does anyone have links to "cheap" online places to order Paleo friendly meats? Thanks

dancerindenver
11-01-2012, 11:50 AM
Sorry - don't know of any cheap online offers. I have noticed though that Costco is carrying more paleo/primal friendly products - including grass-fed beef, kerrygold butter and flaxmeal.

I've been on primal for around two months and have lost 14lbs so far. I've found that no wheat/minimal starches has made my relationship with food so much calmer. Minimal cravings and I stop eating after a reasonable portion size. I used to be able to eat the whole bag of chips, etc. Anyone else find this to be true? I haven't cheated at all - but that may be because the occasional glass of red wine, piece of dark chocolate or small potato with butter and sour cream is allowed.

Would love to see if there are others who are interested in getting this thread active again. Thanks, paulny, for making it show up on the new posts lists! ;)

geoblewis
11-01-2012, 04:55 PM
The food I source from the Internet is not cheap. I do the Costco thing too. At my local supermarkets and Trader Joe's they are now carrying grass fed beef and bison, as well as lamb. I can also get wild seafood in season there. I get my eggs from a local CSA farmer who is actually my client and I know his chickens are grass-fed and augmented with feed that is non-GMO and soy-free. Poultry is harder to source for me since I am very sensitive to soy and poultry don't have those lovely multiple stomachs like cows do to digest the soy more effectively. Just because it says vegetarian-fed doesn't mean it's soy-free.

So, from me as well, thanks for bringing this thread back. I've been eating about 80% Paleo but really want to push myself a bit more. That 20% has been from poor choices at weak moments. Not doing myself any favors!

I was eating very low carb, plus Paleo, plus Intermittent Fasting. Somewhere in there I crashed and burned (lack of sleep didn't help either). For now, I've increased my carbs, but only with vegetables and a few servings of berries. I also decided I was eating too much protein. Hoping the new mix will get me feeling more energy soon. Tired of feeling tired all the time.

dancerindenver
11-02-2012, 02:33 PM
Georgia - do you use coconut oil at all? I've just started and I think it might be helping me keep my blood sugar steady. I haven't tried IF yet - I don't think it's for me right now - if I get too hungry, I might be tempted to go off plan.

Down another pound today - woohoo!

I know there have to be more of us paleo/primal folks out there - you can't all be over at mark's daily apple and paleohacks, right? Would love to find others on the same WOE.

geoblewis
11-02-2012, 03:24 PM
Oh yes, coconut oil, coconut butter, and I keep coconut chunks in the freezers too. I mix that with broken French dark chocolate...I miss my dark chocolate Bounty bars, but those really tastes awesome to me now. I actually had a bite of a Bounty bar on Halloween but turned it away because it was too sweet.

I put a spoonful of coconut cream in my hot tea these days. I've been really regular since I started doing that and don't need to take psyllium any longer.

dancerindenver
11-02-2012, 03:55 PM
Georgia -
I saw on your blog that you have tested your blood sugar after different food combos. I just ordered a blood glucose meter (I'm not diabetic) so I can see what makes me spike and what doesn't. I'm thinking keeping my blood glucose low and steady is what drives weight loss. Does that agree with your findings at all? The meter hasn't arrived yet - curious to see what I find out....

geoblewis
11-02-2012, 04:37 PM
Yes, for me, all grains and legumes, fruit and all sweet things spike my blood sugar. As does eating too much protein, especially at night before bed (it spikes my blood sugar at around 4 a.m. the next morning). But it's like that for me because my pancreas is malfunctioning. I wasn't always like this, even when I weighed 50 lbs more than I do now. My pancreas has been like this since the first time I got pregnant.

If you're not diabetic or insulin resistant, then you will very likely find that the same sorts of carby foods don't seem to affect you any differently than other non-carby foods. But if, after you've eaten something like a plate of pasta, your blood sugar pops up over 120 or even 100, you may already be taxing your pancreas. At some point, every time the blood sugar pops up too high (>140), it kills off beta cells in your pancreas. And that's not good. So keeping your blood sugar in a healthy range for as long as possible is important.

I'd love to hear about your results. Please share them, if you care to.

dancerindenver
11-03-2012, 10:54 AM
I will absolutely share my results, once the stuff arrives. From what I've read, grains and certain fruits (less so with berries and apples), tend to spike everyone's blood glucose. I for some reason love apple slices with natural peanut butter and am curious if I can get away with that for a snack without a huge (weight-gain-inducing) spike - we'll see!

Do you avoid dairy? I'm still eating greek yogurt, having whole milk in my tea in the morning, and eating 1-2oz of cheese daily. That's my next thing to leave out if I hit a plateau.

Hope you're having a good day....

geoblewis
11-03-2012, 01:36 PM
Not avoiding all dairy. Still eating the full fat Greek yogurt, labneh (strained yogurt), and heavy cream. A couple ounces of cheese per day. A dollop of the labneh on a baked sweet potato covers a lot of cravings for me!

Half of a tart Pippin or Granny Smith apple with a bit of creamy blue cheese and some walnut bits before bed...yum!

Radiojane
11-04-2012, 04:37 PM
I went full primal/paleo but the one thing I couldn't give up (and I was a carb addict galore), was cheese. I keep mini babybels for snacks and melt cheese on my chicken. Weight is still coming off, so I'm going to keep "cheating". I'm lucky to have farmers in my family, so I have a freezer full of grass fed beef.

Only issue I have is I seem to require more sleep. My energy levels are steady through the day, but I'm averaging 10 hours a night instead of my usual 8

dancerindenver
11-05-2012, 04:58 PM
Jane - right there with you on cheese! If I'm understanding things correctly, primal allows some dairy and paleo does not so I'm more primal than paleo. I haven't had that specific sleep issue but I have noticed that the amount of sleep I need has fluctuated a lot over the years. I wonder if it will be a passing phase for you or if it's permanent.

Georgia - my favorite is honeycrisp apple slices and extra sharp cheddar. Apple slices make good cracker substitutes, don't they?

Hey - have you guys tried Mary's Gone Crackers flax crackers? They are my go to when I want a grain substitute although I'm careful with portion control to make sure my carb grams are in the 50-70g/day range.

So, I ended up skipping some meals this weekend so I think it was my first experience with Intermittent Fasting. I don't think it will be something I'll make part of my weekly routine but maybe to mix things up occasionally and bust through a plateau, I'll give it a try. I ended up losing something like 3lbs between fri and mon (which is a lot for me) - I'll be curious to see if on this program, it stays off.

I've taken the blood glucose monitor out of the box but haven't gotten brave enough to try it. Will try to tomorrow morning when I first wake up.

Hope you're having fun out there....

wendyland
11-05-2012, 09:18 PM
I'm back to doing paleo. Actually, it's been two steps forward one step back all year. I'm having a bunch of odd neurological symptoms, so I'm going to a stricter diet to help. I went to the doctor today and she ordered a bunch of tests and an MRI this week. I'll be so glad to have answers.

The biggest issue I have with eating paleo is when we go to social events. LIke my nephew's doing a dinner theater for his highschool drama club. I don't want to be the oddball out hardly eating anything.

geoblewis
11-05-2012, 09:35 PM
Wendy, so sorry you're struggling with health issues. Hope answers can be found. For you. . I tend to struggles wiith diet when health issues cause me stress.

As for social events, I say embrace the oddball! I've been known to pack along my dinner if I knew my needs wouldn't be met. Or I ate earlier and just picked at something at the event. Tonight I'm going to a football banquet and I imagine it'll be a carb fest. I have chicken and kale waiting for me at home. I can pick at a naked saalad there.

ArmyWife10
11-05-2012, 10:04 PM
Hi all! So I'm not really new to paleo, I've been really dancing around it for at least 6 months but as the pounds keep coming on and my husband's has been coming off (jerk =p) I think it's time to give in. He's on training right now and my goal is the day he gets back to at least be used to 100% gluten free for a week. I know I can do it but I'm addicted to sweets and THATS the hardest part.

Also do any of you regularly eat homemade probiotic foods? I'm too grossed out to try sauerkraut but I'm thinking if I make it myself maybe it wont be so bad?

dancerindenver
11-05-2012, 11:04 PM
Hey ladies!

I knew there must be more primal/paleo folks out there - glad we're finding each other.

Wendy - sorry to hear about your troubles. This primal way of eating has sorted out some recurring headaches for me - I hope you are able to find as simple a solution for your challenges. I agree with Georgia - I would have an on plan snack before an event and have a bag of raw almonds and some cheese sticks (or jerky if you don't do dairy) in my purse just in case.

Georgia - how is your day going? Are you cooking anything tasty this week? I need some new inspiration...

Armywife - Good luck! I found that cutting out grains and sugar completely cold turkey made my cravings go away and lowered my appetite significantly. YMMV, of course! ;) No good info here on homemade probiotics - I eat storebought greek yogurt, that's about it.

Hope you all are having a nice evening....

geoblewis
11-06-2012, 12:26 AM
Dancer, I've been sick since Thursday, but I did thaw some veal shanks and make a bone broth for myself yesterday. Added celery, carrots, leeks and garlic, plus some beef stew meat. It is yummy! I love the cooler weather so I can make soups. Going to pick up soups bones from a butcher next week. All grassfed animals.

ArmtWife, I haven't always been a fan of saurkraut. Never have made any probiotic foods, I do love a spicy kim chee and have bought some at Whole Foods. Love it on hot dogs! But I don't eat enough of them to make the work worth it. I'll have to explore this more.

What kind of sweets do you love? I only like chocolate, so I go ahead and have the dark kind and pair it with raw almonds or shredded coconut. I will have a problem during the holidaze. Bourbon pecan pie makes my knees quiver. I will let myself have one piece. Or one pie. I don't know which yet.

dancerindenver
11-07-2012, 01:47 PM
Had the yummiest primal dinner last night - pot roast from costco, sauteed mushrooms, a small boiled potato with butter and sour cream and a huge salad with avocado and sliced almonds. Sometimes I can't believe what I get to eat on this plan!!

Georgia - your soup sounds great - I'm on that kind of a kick too. I slow cook chicken to make it easier to shred and then put it in all kinds of soups.

Just started taking chromium supplements to help keep my blood sugar nice and steady - anyone else tried that?

mtnsun4
11-12-2012, 09:14 PM
I am so happy to have found others that are on the Paleo diet. I have been debating if this is a good plan for me to follow and with everything I have researched, as well as my health issues, this may be the way for me to go!

I was on Ideal Protein earlier this year and lost 40lbs. I ended up going on a cruise, and made some not so great food choices, and gained 15 back. This fall, I ended up having some major health issues and was on IV steroids. Hence, I am back to my original weight before starting Ideal Protein.

I would prefer not to go back to shakes, and packaged protein food. It seems much more natural (for me) to go the Paleo diet direction. I am going to slowly incorporate exercise into my plan. Two and a half months ago I couldn't walk...so I need to ensure I do this slowly.

Any insight into everyone's experiences would help! THanks.

dancerindenver
11-12-2012, 10:08 PM
mtnsun - hello and welcome! I've definitely had some major health benefits so far - eating primal (a form of paleo that allows dairy, roughly) has made my persistent headaches go away completely. I hope you see similar benefits! From my perspective, this way of eating is easier to adapt to real life - restaurants and events like your cruise. And since gluten free is getting so common, I think it will just get easier over time. I found a lot of info on a website called marksdailyapple (dot) com. You might find it helpful...

Let us know what you decide!

dancerindenver
11-21-2012, 11:06 AM
Howdy all! Anyone else planning to stick to primal/paleo food only at thanksgiving? I'm thinking that I feel so much better on this way of eating that no pie or roll is going to get me off track. Curious to hear how you feel...

geoblewis
11-21-2012, 12:01 PM
I'm sticking to the plan over the holidaze. I bought grass-fed turkey. I've got lots of veg. For dessert, I plan to make a pumpkin mousse, with coconut cream and organic evaporated cane juice. Same sort of plan for the rest of the season. If I'm invited to parties, I'll bring stuff I will eat.

Like you, Dancer, it feels too good to eat this way just to mess it up for a choice that will only put me off track for weeks. I don't plan to overeat either. Healthy-sized portions too.

I'll over-indulge on playing board games and watching Elf for the millionth time with my kids!

wendyland
11-22-2012, 10:06 AM
Ooh! I want to go to Georgia's house. That sounds great. I'm going to visit relatives today. I plan on staying away from grains but may have a little sugar and dairy. Maybe some pumpkin pie minus the crust. That's my favorite.

mtnsun4
11-22-2012, 12:27 PM
mtnsun - hello and welcome! I've definitely had some major health benefits so far - eating primal (a form of paleo that allows dairy, roughly) has made my persistent headaches go away completely. I hope you see similar benefits! From my perspective, this way of eating is easier to adapt to real life - restaurants and events like your cruise. And since gluten free is getting so common, I think it will just get easier over time. I found a lot of info on a website called marksdailyapple (dot) com. You might find it helpful...

Let us know what you decide!

Thanks for the welcome! I have been going through some health issues and was diagnosed last week with fibromyalgia. :( In reading about the Paleo diet, it explains how it can help with autoimmune diseases/disorders. Thanks for the website. I will check it out today! Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving!

Radiojane
11-22-2012, 02:18 PM
I'm amazed at what cleaning up diet did for my boyfriend. He had painful, festering boils and sores on his thighs and back for years, and all the doctors would tell him was to shower more. 3 months in to primal diet,and his skin is clear!

I do it for weight loss, but I feel so much better than I ever had!

Rana
11-22-2012, 05:18 PM
Howdy all! Anyone else planning to stick to primal/paleo food only at thanksgiving? I'm thinking that I feel so much better on this way of eating that no pie or roll is going to get me off track. Curious to hear how you feel...

Yes... menu:

Turkey
Green beans
Baked sweet potato
Fried cassava
Cranberry sauce, no sugar, used brown rice syrup instead
Corn on the cob

Dessert: apple crisp, made with a nut/oatmail crumble (no flour or sugar, just apples, spices, and almonds and rolled oats)

dancerindenver
11-26-2012, 01:54 PM
Yum, Rana - that sounds good!

So, my dad has decided to try this way of eating but he's not quite getting it right. If things have 'a little bit' of flour, he's still eating them. Any advice - should I just let him figure it out on his own or try to provide more info? If the little bits work for him, that's great - I'm just concerned he won't feel the health benefits with flour still in his system. Not sure what it will do for weight loss...

geoblewis
11-26-2012, 04:09 PM
Dancer, has your dad done any of his own reading about eating like this or does he only go on what you tell him?

We all make decisions on how strict we are to this eating plan. I've spoken with a reputable nephfrologist that says the benefits of Paleo/Primal are apparent even with around 80% compliance. It just depends on what people are sensitive to. I am off sugar, grains and legumes, and most processed food, but not dairy. Dairy doesn't bother me at all, but the moment I have flour, I start feeling achy. And with everything else, it spikes my blood sugar. I'm not 100% all the time, but I am most of the time and I feel better overall. On days I eat more dairy, I feel just as good.

dancerindenver
11-26-2012, 04:34 PM
Good question, Georgia - I gave him the link to Mark's Daily Apple (that has a bunch of info on what not to and what to eat so maybe I ought to let him find his own way. And he is probably sticking to it about 80%. He lifts weights and definitely needs more carbs/protein than I do.

I'm with you on flour - I'm convinced the reason that I no longer struggle with food cravings and mini-binges is from the total absence of flour. A little bit would be too much for me right now although I'm hoping that someday once I have everything in balance and am at maintenance weight, I might be able to have pizza occasionally. Everything else I'm fine about ;)

wendyland
11-29-2012, 02:27 PM
I've made it 25 days of being super strict. It's my longest stretch in a long time. I went to the doctor Tuesday and weighed myself 3 weeks after I was weighed the first time. I lost 4 lbs. I was crushed. I feel like I've tried so hard for so little. I know it's only three weeks, but I was diagnosed last week with intracranial hypertension (too much cerbral fluid). Weight loss can put it into remission so I'm really trying. I'm staying away from sodium and eating tons of vegetables and some meat. A very rare piece of fruit or nuts. My calories have been under 1500 a day and carbs 50 - 75 a day. Hopefully the weight will start coming off.

dancerindenver
11-29-2012, 07:28 PM
Wendy - I know we're all so different so I'm not trying to say I know what would work for you but I find I lose quicker if I keep my carbs between 35-50g/day. That may not be a comfortable level for you but if you're frustrated and want something new to try, I'm just throwing it out there. Congrats on your disciplined approach - I bet your carb and sugar cravings are so much less than they used to be, right?

EagleRiverDee
11-30-2012, 01:36 PM
Hi everyone- may I join your group? My sweetie and I are going to try going paleo/primal. I found Mark's Daily Apple and the success stories are numerous and compelling. I am buying his book and cookbook. The biggest challenge for me is going to be pasta because I love it, and the fact that I bread so many items in flour before cooking them. The breading I can easily substitute with nut flour, but I guess pasta I'll just have to give up. I don't really have a problem with not eating bread, or sweets. I already don't drink soda or juice. I do drink wine and plan to abstain from that also although I will miss it. I am allergic to dairy but cheat sometimes on cheese. I find that although I'm allergic, since I severely limit dairy in my diet I can cheat occasionally without having a bad reaction. So I don't have milk, cream, sour cream, yogurt etc in my diet, but occasionally cheese. Some of that will be automatically reduced because I'm taking pasta out of my diet- you know how cheese goes with pasta! But I like to make steak with some blue cheese crumbles and such, and plan to continue to do that sometimes.

I'm fortunate this time that my sweetie is on board with trying this with me. In the past, when I was doing a special dietary plan we just ate separately. But this time he wants to lose weight also, and I guess a diet called "primal" didn't sound so scary to him. Haha. We split the cooking chores, so this will make my life a lot easier because he's super at following recipes and I have Mark Sisson's recipe book on order and I know Keith will prepare some on-plan meals using that. He's a carb addict, so we'll see how this goes. In reality I expect nothing will change about his breakfast/lunch habits, just his dinner habits. Since dinner is the only meal we eat together, that at least will help me.

I have a lot to learn about this style of eating, though, and the challenge that I live in Alaska where grass-fed beef and other items are either not available or are hideous expensive since we import nearly 100% of our food from the lower 48 states.

I hope you all don't mind me joining in with you so I can learn from you.

dancerindenver
11-30-2012, 08:41 PM
Welcome, eagleriverdee! Mark's daily apple is a great resource - sounds like you are off to a great start! I've been following primal strictly since early Sept and have lost 24lbs - not breaking any records but it has been the easiest weight loss that I have experienced. I always felt deprived on calories counting plans. Best of luck!

wendyland
12-01-2012, 09:22 AM
Welcome to the group, Dee! I love mark and the primal blueprint but his cookbook is not my favorite. There are tons of great recipes for free on the Internet. Nom nom paleo, theclothesmakethegirl, everyday paleo. I think my favorite cookbook so far is Diane sanfilipo's book but I can't think of the name. I think it's practical paleo.

I also found a great app for collecting recipes off the Internet . It's called paprika. It's super easy to use. I have it on my iPad but its a available on the computer, too. I love it.

EagleRiverDee
12-01-2012, 07:39 PM
Thank you for the welcomes, Dancerindenver and Wendyland. :)

Wendyland, I've discovered Nomnompaleo (I think because it was mentioned earlier in this thread) but hadn't heard of the others so I'll check those out! Thanks. I'm so new at this that many of the resources are unknown to me but I'll find them. I also noticed Amazon has a good inventory of paleo books and cookbooks. And I'm excited I found this thread. I already feel "lighter" since starting this diet. I've dropped 3 scale pounds which I know is probably just my liver dumping it's glycogen stores and water weight but I feel lighter and less bloated and that's a nice feeling. :)

dancerindenver
12-02-2012, 02:03 AM
Congrats on the 3lb loss!

EagleRiverDee
12-05-2012, 12:41 AM
Well I'm down 2 more pounds now, and so far the diet is going as well as it can. One frustration I have is with my DH. He said he was on board with doing this diet with me, and we rotate cooking chores, so I gave him the "paleo in a nutshell" rundown because he will not read a book but he's not getting it.

His first attempt was brisket- which he slathered in BBQ sauce that had 6 forms of sugar in it. Which he served with potatoes and corn. Don't get me wrong, it was delicious, just not on plan. I ate it and thanked him.

His second attempt was lettuce wraps with a turkey-burger stir fry with carrots, water chestnut, peanuts and some sauce from a packet that tasted like solid sugar to me. The basic premise of lettuce wraps was good though.

He's trying, bless his heart, I know he is. But corn is grain. Potatoes are a no-no. Sugar of any sort is a no-no. Peanuts are a legume. Not to mention to add insult to injury the peanuts were old Planters peanuts he found in the cupboard that were rancid and I swear I'll be burping that up for the next two days.

*Sigh*

I can't wait until the cookbooks get here, so he can follow recipes. He's great at following recipes. I just don't know why this is so hard for him. My "nutshell" explanation was that meat and green things were safe. And we both know how to cook meat and vegetables, but all of a sudden it's like he's trying to be creative instead of just going with tried and true that we've done for years.

Sorry, I know this sounds ungrateful and I'm well aware how lucky I am that he cooks! We're just not on the same page diet-wise yet.

dancerindenver
12-05-2012, 07:02 PM
Dee - that sounds like a tricky situation to navigate! I can relate a bit - a close friend has decided to try to follow the primal blueprint way of eating without really doing the reading so she's kind of winging it and then asking me questions along the way and complaining that she's tired of eating the same stuff *sigh*. I tried the nutshell explanation too and then got the question - what about corn. I hope the cookbook resolves everything at your house!

Mizzthingaling
12-07-2012, 09:06 PM
I am trying to get back to full paleo. I want to be at least 80% and get close to 95%. Eagle I totally understand. My mother cooked spaghetti today because "she couldn't think of anything else to cook." I purposely made sure we ate the last of the carbs around here and she went and brought some more. I had to explain the plan to her down to the T.

On the good side I tried the Porkitos (prosciutto chips) from NomNomPaleo and wow those are so good they're dangerous. Thankfully prosciutto isn't cheap like a bag of Lays. Oh yeah I tried some swiss chard chips too. They were great.

geoblewis
12-10-2012, 07:19 PM
I made a lovely soup last night for dinner. Just had the leftovers for lunch. Thought I'd share the recipe.

I broke up a head of cauliflower, tossed it with a little olive oil and roasted it. I also chunked a whole yellow onion and roasted it as well. Cooked them till they were soft. Then I put them all in a stock pot, covered them with homemade turkey broth (can use chicken broth too) and heated them till boiling and the veggies were nice and soft. I blended them with my stick blender, then added a half cup of heavy cream and a few ounces of shredded smoked gouda cheese. Stirred it till creamy. Topped each serving with a bit of crumbled bacon and a light sprinkling of cumin. YUM!

dancerindenver
12-10-2012, 07:53 PM
Sounds delish!
In the spirit of sharing, I made stuffed mushrooms for a party this weekend that were filled with
- sauteed chorizo sausage
- sauteed onion and garlic
- sauteed chopped stems of the mushrooms being stuffed
- added in some cream cheese and cooked chopped frozen spinach.

Seriously yummy and on plan! Still eating the leftovers and very much enjoying it ;)

Mizzthingaling
12-10-2012, 09:47 PM
Georgia and Dancer those sound delish. I like the recipe sharing. It's a great help. I actually made soup today for tomorrow, ha. I sauteed radish, collard leaves, cabbage leaves and spinach from my garden.

I boiled the chicken then added the green veggies, bell peppers and carrots. I added tomato sauce and seasons. I let it simmer and dropped in cheese at the end. It already tastes good, so it will be better tomorrow.

I also made some dark chocolate pecan bark. It was such a treat. I've never liked dark chocolate but since I have cut down on sugar, it finally tastes good to me. Milk chocolate is too sweet.

EagleRiverDee
12-11-2012, 08:33 PM
Well after 3 weeks eating primal I have to say I like it. I don't get hungry like I used to, which I am guessing has got to do with not having wild swings in my insulin/blood sugar levels. I've lost only 5 lbs (I was down 7 but popped back up 2 for some reason) but I'm feeling good. My energy is better, I'm sleeping better and my digestion is good. I had worried that without all the whole grains that I wouldn't be getting enough fiber to stay regular but that has not been the case (TMI, I know, but it was a concern). I plan to continue this lifestyle and see what happens. I'm traveling to see my parents in a week and I don't know if my dietary choices are going to be a problem or not. They're pretty open minded and my Dad did Atkins for years so I think they'll be ok provided I'm flexible on Christmas itself for Christmas dinner, which I plan to be.

Becky Quilts
12-13-2012, 12:22 PM
Hi, ladies, I've been trying to eat Paleo with off an on success. I want to make this a lasting, healthy change so am trying to ride with the highs and lows to make a lifestyle change.

I'm addicted to sugar, I have a sweet tooth that rages.

I've subscribed to the thread so I'll try to come back through!

EagleRiverDee
12-13-2012, 02:12 PM
Becky-

Well I've only been doing this diet for 3 weeks but I can tell you I have zero cravings now, and zero blood sugar swings. It used to be I had to eat *right now* when my blood sugar dropped. Cutting grains seems to have stabilized everything. And I've lost 8 lbs. I'm super stoked.

My main advice is- don't cheat. Cut the processed foods, cut ALL grains, cut legumes (beans, peas), no candy, no fruit juice, no soda. But do eat lots of fresh vegetables and 1 or 2 pieces of fruit a day, and of course different forms of meat and seafood. My fiance and I are both doing this diet but he cheats all the time. OJ in the morning. Sandwich at lunch. He's really only eating paleo/primal at night with me, and he hasn't lost any weight.

Mizzthingaling
12-13-2012, 11:37 PM
I too have a sweet tooth. I would agree with not cheating for a while and seeing if the craving stop. I did and they really stopped. Instead of eating candy or chips I have tried drinking Celestial Lemon Zinger (it cuts my cravings anyway) and I have added fruit.

Another thing I did was add dark chocolate. I make my own bark with pecans, walnuts and sometimes cashews. For some reason I can eat this and it cuts the chocolate craving. When I eat milk chocolate I need lots of it to fill that desire. I and do 1-2 pieces of this and be fine. I have also made hot cocoa with pure cocoa powder, almond milk and stevia. It helps.

Try to find something that works for you after you try to go hard. I haven't weighed bc my scale broke but I did wear my skinny jeans today and they are loose. When these are loose I know I've lost weight. They are made to cling.


Hi, ladies, I've been trying to eat Paleo with off an on success. I want to make this a lasting, healthy change so am trying to ride with the highs and lows to make a lifestyle change.

I'm addicted to sugar, I have a sweet tooth that rages.

I've subscribed to the thread so I'll try to come back through!

wendyland
12-15-2012, 02:02 PM
Hi, ladies, I've been trying to eat Paleo with off an on success. I want to make this a lasting, healthy change so am trying to ride with the highs and lows to make a lifestyle change.

I'm addicted to sugar, I have a sweet tooth that rages.

I've subscribed to the thread so I'll try to come back through!

I"ve also been on and off paleo for a few years. I've been gluten free for the past six weeks. That's the longest I've ever gone. I've had a corn tortilla and a white potato here and there. I'm most concerned about getting rid of wheat right now. I feel better each week. It's really worth it. Keep trying!

I think what has helped me ease into lasting change is by adding things to my diet first without taking certain foods away. I've gradually replaced grains with more vegetables. I kept trying new foods and new ways to prepare them. When cutting out grains, dairy, beans this last time, it was a breeze because I was rarely eating them anyway. The only time I have a hard time now is with social situations, but it's getting easier.

banananutmuffin
12-18-2012, 10:35 AM
I've been struggling with Paleo the past couple of months because of morning sickness (I'm 11 weeks pregnant today). But yesterday I committed to getting fully back on plan. In my previous two pregnancies I failed the 1 hour glucose test, and I've been diagnosed as pre-diabetic. I'd love to pass the glucose test this time, and I know Paleo is my best hope for it.

I've found that meal planning really helps me avoid the "Don't know what's for dinner, let's grab a pizza" type of thinking. Tonight we're having roast chicken and sauteed spinach.

Mizzthingaling
12-18-2012, 01:08 PM
Banana I need to plan as well. Anything will look good when I'm hungry. Weirdly, I am having dreams of pizza. I don't really have dreams about bread so maybe it means something else.

EagleRiverDee
12-19-2012, 01:55 AM
Down 10 lbs since Nov. 26 (when I started Paleo). I do miss pasta and bread a little, but I'm enjoying eating whole foods and I find that my "I'm full" signal works much better when I'm avoiding grains. And weight loss is a snap, it just sort of happens. As of this morning I officially hit the BMI # for being overweight instead of obese. Of course, I get on a plane tonight to go visit my parents and we'll see how well I do on maintaining a paleo diet then.

olehcat
12-19-2012, 08:27 AM
I'm doing a bit of sort-of Paleo right now (not being as strict as usual because of the holidays but plan to kick it into higher gear afterwards).

One of my favorite breakfasts right now is:

2 slices of bacon
all kinds of veggies and jalapeno slices sauteed in the bacon fat
1 egg and a half cup egg whites poured onto it in a messy omelet
a tiny bit of cheese

SO GOOD and rich and keeps me full until lunch.

banananutmuffin
12-19-2012, 03:03 PM
I know a lot of people think that some paleo folks each too much bacon. And, well, <raising hand> bacon lover here.

I took my leftover roast chicken and made it into chicken salad (just process it in the food processor and add a little mostly-paleo mayo, salt & pepper). For lunch today I wrapped it in a lettuce leaf with some sliced tomato and some leftover crisp bacon strips. Yummers!

dancerindenver
12-21-2012, 01:43 AM
banana - your lunch sounds great! I'm a huge bacon fan - I'm doing primal (a version of paleo) and have lost 32 lbs having 4 slices of bacon for breakfast every day. I'm with you on the love of bacon ;)

Dee - congrats on the losses - you are doing great!!

olehcat
12-21-2012, 09:01 AM
dancerindenver - is there a huge difference between primal and paleo?

32 pounds! That's great!

dancerindenver
12-21-2012, 09:51 AM
Olehcat - they are pretty similar. Basically I eat no sugar or starches (except some berries or half an apple), but I eat fullfat dairy, meat, fish, nuts, olives, eggs and lots of veggies. Butter, olive oil and avocados too. Dairy doesn't seem to be slowing down my weight loss at all and I don't think I'm allergic. What's on your on plan list these days?

olehcat
12-21-2012, 08:43 PM
@dancerindenver - That sounds about how I do it when I'm being primal/paleo. I do eat dairy. I am lactose intolerant but only with milk/ice-cream. Yogurt and cheese don't seem to bother me as much unless I were to eat excess amounts! That's really nice to know that yo are eating dairy and it's not affecting your weight loss

EagleRiverDee
12-28-2012, 08:33 PM
Well I'm back after a 9 day trip back east visiting my parents. I did my best to stay on plan but boy my parents just don't understand paleo at all and even when they tried they were way off. As their guest, I just ate what I was served, LOL. The only formal meal was dinner and so I was on my own for breakfast, lunch and snacks so I tried to keep those as paleo/primal as I could and then limited my portions at dinner to minimize carbs. The only "bad" day I had was Christmas itself when I had told them I would eat whatever and so I had a slice of cheesecake, some sort of almond coated brittle, two glasses of wine, prime rib, green beans, and potatoes au gratin. And later I felt like I was having an anxiety attack- not out of guilt for going off-plan but I think my body was reacting to having all that sugar when I haven't been eating any at all. It was actually kind of educational. But I got back home last night late and so today I had for lunch a salad with steak and portabella mushrooms and my goodness that was so delicious.

This is the first time in my life I've LOST weight over the holidays. Even with being off plan some for my visit to my parents', I still lost a pound. So I've lost 11 lbs since the week before Thanksgiving. Amazing! Paleo works!

And I feel terrific- when I'm on plan. That alone is enough to keep me on plan.

wendyland
12-28-2012, 10:43 PM
Paleo does work. I was talking to a guy friend today that I've known for years. He's always been very big. I was telling him how I have this brain problem where I have too much cerebral fluid and losing weight could help it. So, he tells me all about his past success by not eating much meat and fat and doing the subway diet and eating 6 times a day. I told him that I eat lots of meat and 50% fat. Mostly saturated fats. He couldn't believe it. He didn't say I was crazy, but he really buys in to conventional wisdom. I keep telling people how great I feel, but I think they'll be skeptical until they see significant weight loss.

merilung
12-28-2012, 10:56 PM
wendyland - a little off topic, but just curious, have you been to any of the Paleo meetups here in STL?

dancerindenver
12-28-2012, 11:55 PM
Dee - congrats on losing during the holidays!!

wendyland
12-29-2012, 12:11 AM
wendyland - a little off topic, but just curious, have you been to any of the Paleo meetups here in STL?

I have been to a couple potlucks. And to a kombucha demo. Have you?

EagleRiverDee
12-29-2012, 01:33 AM
Wendyland-

Yes, it's hard when people buy into the whole CW thing. Heaven knows I did, for years. I just could not understand when I was eating so "healthy" why I was gaining so much weight. Primal Blueprint (the paleo variant I'm using) explained it all. I had no idea I was creating the perfect storm of insulin to store fat. But it's so easy to lose when I'm not eating grain, it's ridiculous. I mean, it's not fast- just the one or two pounds a week, but I eat as much as I want and still lose. No portion control. No guilt. No calorie counting. And the food tastes good. I feel like shouting it from the roof tops- "Hey- everyone! Stop eating like a farm animal (corn and grain is what we use to fatten them up!) and try this!" But most people I know simply look at me like I'm insane and make a statement like, "I couldn't live without bread and pasta."

merilung
12-29-2012, 04:54 AM
wendyland - I went to a Paleo challenge intro thing that Alex Born held last year. Then I got into a major car wreck and broke my sternum and fell into bad habits BIG TIME during the weeks and weeks of immobility. My husband and I have always wanted to get to more of the meetups, so maybe we'll be able to work more of them into our schedule in 2013. I'll say hello if I recognize you at one of them!

EagleRiverDee - I get the 'I couldn't live without pasta/cookies/bread/cake' responses all the time too. I've been trying to get my sister-in-law interested in paleo for awhile because I think it would work really well for her and she's massively depressed about her weight and she always thinks I'm borderline insane for suggesting a life without oreos and bread. I'm hoping really sticking with a paleo lifestyle and dropping weight/getting healthier myself (instead of going off and on and off and on...) will inspire her to give it a second look.

bindiboop
12-30-2012, 09:30 PM
Hi ya'll, I am started paleo in May of 2010, but haven't been committed at all for the last few months. I have multiple podcasts I listen to on my phone and my brain just became overloaded with primal/paleo information. I finally decided that going full-board paleo is not possible for me right now, as it is quite expensive to eat the organic, grass fed, free range food recommended, and to avoid all vegetable oils, artificial sweeteners, etc.

I have Hashimoto's so I really need to avoid grains. I know it is what is best for me, I just wish I had more immediate symptoms as a result of eating bad food that would give me more motivation to stop eating it :p I am going to try to keep my carbs at 15% of my daily intake, my fat will be about 55% and protein 30%.

On a side note, I just registered for this forum yesterday and I saw Sarah Fragoso at the Tractor Supply today :) I consider it a sign :D

and don't forget.... BACON ROCKS!!! :T

Mizzthingaling
12-30-2012, 10:13 PM
Finally good to be back. I was sick over Christmas and my mother tried to stuff me full of bread and other stuff off of my diet. I am going back to my plan tomorrow though. She did her best. Thankfully or not, I didn't have much of an appetite but when you don't have the energy to cook, you eat what you can when you can.

Bindi, start small. You don't have to go all out right off the bat. I still don't eat all organic, because it is just not cost effective all the time. I do try to avoid the vegetable oils, but that's because I noticed I dropped faster eating coconut oil. I still eat cheese and yogurt but not as much and I try to stick to flavorful (sharp cheddar, goat, feta) so I don't need as much.

Find how to make it work within your budget and life.

bindiboop
12-30-2012, 10:33 PM
Thanks Mizz, the only thing I eat that has vegetable oil in it is salad dressing. I cant find any that dont, and I don't want to make my own, too much trouble. We only use coconut oil, butter and olive oil when cooking. The coconut oil took a while to get used to since I HATE coconut, but it works great for pork chops and chicken curry. I do eat cheese but not yogurt because of the sugar and high carbs, but I am not much of a fan anyway. I am hoping that this time, modifying the gluten free/low carb lifestyle to be more realistic and doable I will succeed. And, with 3FC to turn to for support, I am feeling very hopeful :cp:

EagleRiverDee
12-31-2012, 12:02 AM
Bindi-
I make salad dressing using equal parts extra virgin olive oil and balsamic vinegar, with some fresh ground pepper and Mrs. Dash table blend mixed in. I just swirl it all together in a cup. No fuss, no muss, plus it's healthy, easy, and tastes good.

bindiboop
12-31-2012, 12:27 AM
Bindi-
I make salad dressing using equal parts extra virgin olive oil and balsamic vinegar, with some fresh ground pepper and Mrs. Dash table blend mixed in. I just swirl it all together in a cup. No fuss, no muss, plus it's healthy, easy, and tastes good.

yeah...the problem with that, is that I don't like it. If I don't like it I wont eat it. I have tried the balsamic dressings, too acidic for me. I have acid reflux and I can't eat a lot of foods. I can eat creamy dressings only, even then sometimes I get AR. I don't eat a lot of salads, but when I do, it has to be a creamy dressing. It is just going to be one of those "non-paleo/primal" exceptions to my diet. I may try that olive oil/balsamic vinegar mix combined with some sour cream or even a little heavy cream, though. That might work.... I am always looking for a way to make it work. I know vegetable oils are not good stuff.

Mizzthingaling
01-01-2013, 01:55 AM
I am going to try sour cream to thicken mine. I made an apple cinnamon dressing (got the recipe from That's Some Good Cookin'). I made it paleo friendly and it tasted really good. We actually like it better than store brought. I think it's because it pairs so well with salad and we don't have to use much.

I've also tried salsa on salads. That may work well with the sour cream too.

My goal this week is to try to make some meals ahead of time. I've pre-made some salads but I need to do some main dishes as well.


yeah...the problem with that, is that I don't like it. If I don't like it I wont eat it. I have tried the balsamic dressings, too acidic for me. I have acid reflux and I can't eat a lot of foods. I can eat creamy dressings only, even then sometimes I get AR. I don't eat a lot of salads, but when I do, it has to be a creamy dressing. It is just going to be one of those "non-paleo/primal" exceptions to my diet. I may try that olive oil/balsamic vinegar mix combined with some sour cream or even a little heavy cream, though. That might work.... I am always looking for a way to make it work. I know vegetable oils are not good stuff.

TripSwitch
01-01-2013, 10:30 PM
Hi everyone... I've been following this thread for a little while now, and thought I'd jump in...

My first experience with a paleo diet was back in college after using Joe Friel's "The Triathlete's Training Bible" to start working towards doing my first Ironman... and it definitely was a very different approach to diet and training from anything that I'd ever heard of before, at least back then... especially, coming from a high carb, vegetarian diet for optimal training and performance approach that worked well for me back then...

I guess because of this initial experience... I've always thought that if you were going to eat "paleo" that you should be exercising and training at a "paleo" level as well... Which unfortunately hasn't been the case for me these last couple of years... But now that my desire to run another marathon has returned, I've decided to give paleo another look, since there is a lot about it that I really like...and I think that will work for what I want to do...

I'm planning on taking a look at "The Paleo Diet for Athletes" since I'm already familiar with Cordain and Friel... and I'm also going to take a look at "The Primal Blueprint" since he has a marathon/Ironman background that I'm interested in and I can relate to... So if anyone has any experience with either of these, I'd love to hear about it...

But I'm also looking forward to see how everyone here makes "paleo" practical which I know from experience isn't always so easy... :)

EagleRiverDee
01-01-2013, 11:11 PM
Tripswitch-

If by chance you have a Nook, I can lend you my copy of "Primal Blueprint" as I've finished reading it. However, you should be aware that although Mark Sisson has a back ground of marathon/triathalon training, his view is that this is over training and he advises short, intense workouts (weight lifting, sprinting) coupled with a few long walks or hikes or swims but not intense cardio like marathoning. So his book won't advise on how to train for stuff like that, except that he makes a point to say that when he deliberately scaled back on his training that he improved his performance in triathalons. He goes into it a bit. By his standards, I also overtrain since I do P90X.

The hardest part of paleo for me is meals on the go. I think actually it's probably the hardest part for most people. Snacks are easy enough- nuts and stuff are fine- but actual on-the-go meals aren't as easy. That's the part I struggle with.

TripSwitch
01-02-2013, 01:06 AM
EagleRiverDee thanks so much... :) I actually just downloaded it to my iPad earlier this evening, but haven't gotten a chance to really get into yet... And actually long walks sound a lot more appealing to me right now than training for another marathon... ;) but seriously, I'm definitely looking forward to getting his perspective... and from what I can gather so far the Cordain and Friel book has info on adapting paleo for endurance training... so I'll have that as a resource...

And ITA about meals on the go... I tend to eat out a lot, but fortunately there are more and more places here that are really embracing "paleo" friendly ingredients... But it definitely takes a bit more research and planning ahead on my part...

Right now I'm trying to figure out what I want to include in my lean protein choices... I was vegetarian for many years (and actually strict vegan for about 5 years) so I still just naturally gravitate towards that way of eating... But lately, I've been eating fresh fish and I've even been having some organic, free range, grass fed beef... Although if I'm going to continue to eat some meat on occasion I would like to look for wild game like venison or elk instead of beef... But as you can imagine, that's not something you come across at most places... so that's going to take some work on my part... But it will be a lot less work than what paleo man had to go through so I won't complain... :D

olehcat
01-02-2013, 09:52 AM
hi, all! I was absolutely horrible over the holidays as far as eating! :)

I am back here on day 1 of Paleo-Primal. I do try to limit dairy, but I have some, for example a pinch of cheese in an omelet.

This is going to be a big challenge for me. I also want to cut down on my wine consumption. One day at a time!

bindiboop
01-02-2013, 11:25 AM
hi, all! I was absolutely horrible over the holidays as far as eating! :)

I am back here on day 1 of Paleo-Primal. I do try to limit dairy, but I have some, for example a pinch of cheese in an omelet.

This is going to be a big challenge for me. I also want to cut down on my wine consumption. One day at a time!

Hi, sounds like we have a similar problem... wine. I just restarted paleo on Sunday but I don't want to give up my evening red wine. I count it in my log but I have heard mixed info about whether the carbs in a glass of cab (there are about 6) breakdown in our body's the same as other food. I am going to try keeping my daily intake of carbs (including wine) below 65 gms, and if I don't lose I guess I will have cut it out or at least limit it to a few times a week.

dancerindenver
01-02-2013, 12:02 PM
I'm with you ladies! I keep my carbs below 50g a day usually but a glass or two of red wine on the weekends is a big weakness for me.

Radiojane
01-02-2013, 12:54 PM
I went completely off plan for about two weeks. I struggled all through December with Christmas parties and travel, so I just gave up the ghost. Well, I'm up ten pounds (mostly water I'm sure), my skin is broken out, and I was an hour late for work today because I couldn't pull myself out of bed!

I didn't realize how good I felt on plan until I went off plan and realized how bad I felt before!! This week is all about getting the crap out of my system and going back to primal!

MadProfessor
01-02-2013, 02:33 PM
I didn't realize how good I felt on plan until I went off plan and realized how bad I felt before!! This week is all about getting the crap out of my system and going back to primal!

I'm feeling a bit tired as well after all this celebration, could you please share with us what kind of food made you go out of the plan?

Radiojane
01-02-2013, 06:30 PM
Perogies. The perogies definitely got to me. And I did eat some sweets but not alot. And I had soda for the first time in ages.

I think part of the problem was the "it's christmas it won't be the same" mentality. I knew it would make me gain, and I was ok with that. But I'm not ok with how crappy I felt.

TripSwitch
01-02-2013, 07:00 PM
Hi all... It's good to read everyone's posts here about their plans and keeping on track... For me, I've had to cut out a glass of wine... It didn't really make sense to me how a glass or two of wine with dinner a couple times of week could make any real difference, but it really did seem to stall my progress... And it seemed to be making a difference in my training as well... I really think, since the body basically treats alcohol like sugar that was what was causing the problem for me at least...

bindiboop
01-02-2013, 07:34 PM
Hi all... It's good to read everyone's posts here about their plans and keeping on track... For me, I've had to cut out a glass of wine... It didn't really make sense to me how a glass or two of wine with dinner a couple times of week could make any real difference, but it really did seem to stall my progress... And it seemed to be making a difference in my training as well... I really think, since the body basically treats alcohol like sugar that was what was causing the problem for me at least...
Well...that just sucks :halfempty

TripSwitch
01-02-2013, 08:25 PM
Sorry bindiboop... Didn't mean to be a downer here... :) From what I can see most people can include some alcohol in their paleo/primal plans with no problems at all... So I wouldn't worry about it...

I've actually just been trying to do some research on the whole thing now and I should edit my previous post about your body basically treating alcohol like sugar... which isn't really accurate since the actual biochemistry is a bit more complicated... But from my understanding there's a lot going on there that could have been why it seemed to be an issue for me... perhaps, it lowering blood sugar... or maybe the alcohol needing to be processed before fat burning could resume and in the meantime the calories I was consuming being stored as result... Who knows...??? :dizzy:

bindiboop
01-02-2013, 08:34 PM
I get it Tripp, different foods (or wine) affect everybody differently. I have heard some paleo folks say a glass of wine is fine and others say no way. I will just have to experiment with it. Its all trial and error, I've learned that much :mouse:

Mizzthingaling
01-03-2013, 02:20 AM
Glad to see everyone getting back. I had a leeway off plan for the holidays as well. Now I am trying to get my body back to being energized. I had a salad today and it was really good. I did finally start with some things ahead. The only problem is now that my niece and nephew are here, it harder to keep extras. There is some chicken leftover so I will make some salads with that for the pull and go times.

If anyone finds to-go meals please share. I'm always looking for new recipes.

EagleRiverDee
01-03-2013, 01:25 PM
Does anyone else get gastric upset from coconut oil? I've been using it sporadically- mostly for stir-frying vegetables - and I swear I get heartburn and a rumbly gut from it the following day. It comes so highly recommended that I want to like it. The flavor is fine, it's just the aftermath I'm not fond of.

Radiojane
01-03-2013, 04:17 PM
It gives me diarrhea if I use more than about a teaspoon at a go. I mostly use it to grease pans now because it did bother me quite a bit.

wendyland
01-03-2013, 04:32 PM
I'm having trouble getting back "on plan". Everyone in my house has been sick at various times the past two weeks. I've had a hard time making it to the grocery store. I'm going today, so I will be back to paleo tomorrow. My joints hurt from eating bad.

bindiboop
01-03-2013, 04:33 PM
Does anyone else get gastric upset from coconut oil? I've been using it sporadically- mostly for stir-frying vegetables - and I swear I get heartburn and a rumbly gut from it the following day. It comes so highly recommended that I want to like it. The flavor is fine, it's just the aftermath I'm not fond of.

I've heard that some people can be sensitive to it and need to gradually increase their intake. You may be one of those who are allergic to it. I don't like coconut at all but we use it to fry chicken (doing it tonight) and I have never had any GI problems from it. :dunno:

wendyland
01-03-2013, 04:33 PM
Dee, what brand of coconut oil do you use? Coconut oil is one food that does not give me trouble. I use nutiva.

TripSwitch
01-03-2013, 09:04 PM
I've never really gotten into coconut oil... and I really wanted to like it too... I've bought it several times and used it for various things and I always hope that "Oh, this time it will be different and I'll like it more now" but sadly it never is... But since I don't live in the tropics (unfortunately) I just rationalize and tell myself that I don't really need it anyway... :)

olehcat
01-03-2013, 09:11 PM
coconut oil makes me REALLY sick. I'm reluctant to ever try it again, actually, because one day it took me out of commission all day.

Mizzthingaling
01-05-2013, 01:27 AM
Wow I didn't know that about coconut oil. I usually have issues with other foods. Thankfully, it coconut oil works great for me and my stomach. At least there are other nut oils.

If anyone know of a good tasting olive oil, let me know. I usually pick the general one at the store but something is just missing with the taste.

EagleRiverDee
01-05-2013, 04:58 AM
If anyone know of a good tasting olive oil, let me know. I usually pick the general one at the store but something is just missing with the taste.

Light or extra virgin? I really like the O brand organic from Safeway in Extra Virgin. It's got a nice fruity flavor.

TripSwitch
01-05-2013, 05:26 PM
I believe olive oil is a lot like wine... You have to taste it for yourself to see if you like it... Also the particular region that it is from actually makes a difference in its flavor to me as well...

Is the one from Safeway from California? They're producing some really good ones these days... I'm partial to ones from Italy, especially ones from Tuscany and also some from Liguria as well...

Also I like to pick ones that provide the harvest date on the bottle... This way I'm buying ones from last year's harvest and I know it's fresh... My understanding is olive oil is not something that improves with age like wine...

Mizzthingaling
01-06-2013, 03:08 PM
Thanks Eagle and Trip. We don't have a Safeway but I will start looking at dates and trying some. I tried chestnuts for the first time today. All of the Christmas nuts are on sale at Kroger for .50 a pound so I decided to try them. The taste reminds me of an acorn. They're not for me, but I will be getting some more almonds, pecans and walnuts.

Jez
01-06-2013, 04:25 PM
Coconut oil can give a bit of digestive upset if you arent used to a lot of fat at one time, or if you have something going on, as it seemingly has some antibacterial and antiviral properties, and seems to sometimes cause diarrhea when its killing something off.

Also, are there legit paleo/primal enthusiasts here? I started reading from the beginning and saw stuff like artificial sweeteners being "allowed" on some paleo plans, and bacon raising cholesterol, so I skipped to the end, and read the last couple pages before posting to ask. Im hoping to find a (knowledgeable) forum to get back to primal (and eventually back to paleo) without all the drama thats on MDA.

TripSwitch
01-06-2013, 09:48 PM
Hi Jez... Are you following any specific plan? Right now I'm interested in applying paleo principles to not only what I'm eating, but to my lifestyle as well... So diet wise I'm avoiding grains, dairy, sugar, alcohol, processed and prepared foods, etc... So lots of veggies, lean protein, nuts and seeds, and fruit... for protein sources I've been using mostly fresh fish, but I'm also looking to also maybe have some wild game like venison or elk as well...

And as far as lifestyle changes I'd like to move more of my road running to trail running and maybe move from marathons to ultras, since those are pretty much exclusively trail based and held in some amazing places that I'd like to explore... and they're more like hiking/trekking with some running thrown in anyways... Which is what I've been gravitating towards...

TripSwitch
01-09-2013, 01:33 PM
Just curious... Does anyone include any game meats in their diet? I'd be interested to hear others experience and if anyone has any recommendations on ones they really like, as well as good suppliers that would be great...

EagleRiverDee
01-09-2013, 01:45 PM
Just curious... Does anyone include any game meats in their diet? I'd be interested to hear others experience and if anyone has any recommendations on ones they really like, as well as good suppliers that would be great...

Yes but only because I live in Alaska. We have halibut and red salmon we catch ourselves and then some moose that my boss gave me. My DH plans on doing some caribou hunting this summer.

Actual wild game, I'm not sure if it's legal to buy and sell. I don't think it is- I know for sure individuals in Alaska are prohibited from buying/selling game meat because they arrest people for it up here. Now you can get free range bison and reindeer (domesticated caribou) but they aren't truly wild. They will be, however, free range and grass fed so healthier by definition. And I've seen lots of shops that sell mixed meats- like hot dogs that have reindeer meat, etc. That may just be up here though and laws in other states probably differ.

Radiojane
01-09-2013, 01:52 PM
It is illegal to sell game in Canada, I don't know about the states. We get a lot of game meat from friends that hunt. You can tell the difference between farm raised and truly hunted.

TripSwitch
01-11-2013, 06:46 PM
Thanks for the tips about game... I didn't even really stop to consider the distinction between what constitutes truly "wild" so I'll have to do some more research, but from the sound of it what is being sold as "wild game" isn't truly wild... I'll have to do some more exploring to see what I can find here... Wish me luck...

TripSwitch
01-12-2013, 06:20 PM
So it is possible to get wild game meat here in season...from a company that I really like... and is known for really top quality.... In fact the purveyor warns that the meat may contain buckshot... So that sounds about as "wild" as I'll be able to find here in NYC... lol... Now I just have to decide if I want to spend a small fortune on this little "experiment"... :dizzy:

Mizzthingaling
01-13-2013, 12:51 PM
Trip if it was too expensive I'd have to go shoot my own, but you are in NYC. What about surrounding states?

TripSwitch
01-14-2013, 02:55 PM
Trip if it was too expensive I'd have to go shoot my own, but you are in NYC. What about surrounding states?

Lol... :) I went ahead and splurged and it was definitely a nice change of pace... But just from a practical standpoint it looks like I'll be sticking with mostly fresh fish... since that seems to be easier to come by...

cassrose
01-21-2013, 02:16 AM
Hi, I was wondering if I could get some advise. I am just new to the paleo diet and just working in to it. I don't really know where else to ask this so thought i'd try here.... for dinner tonight I had mushrooms and red pepper sautéed in butter with a tomato and a piece of steak which I had rubbed with raw garlic. I didn't have much oil other than rice bran so used a bit of that to cook the steak. About 5 - 10 minutes after eating I started feeling awful, very low energy, tired, headachey. I have no idea what could of made that happen?? I thought it was a pretty healthy meal. I have had all of those ingredients numerous times. I feel so low and tired I am trying very hard not to go have a biscuit for a sugar pick me up. Any ideas would be most welcome! Thanks

Mizzthingaling
01-21-2013, 02:41 AM
Cassrose if you are just starting, it could be carb withdrawls. Headaches, cravings and other aches happens when the body is trying to get carbs again. It should stop withing 1-2 weeks, because your body will start getting use to the lower carbs.

cassrose
01-21-2013, 02:59 AM
Thanks Mizzthingaling, I did think that but over the last 3 weeks I haven't had a lot of carbs, just thought it was strange it came on so fast after the meal. I have since realised the garlic was most likely off.

I miss sugar the most though at the moment!

Mizzthingaling
01-21-2013, 06:57 PM
Ahh that is sucky. I understand the missing sugar. I'm not much for bread but I love sugar. I'm focusing on fruit and finding recipes. I also have a little chocolate mixed with nuts.

dancerindenver
01-22-2013, 01:50 PM
Howdy all! I have a question for you guys - how many of you do dairy? If you tolerate dairy, have you ever tried cutting it out? What happened? I'm thinking of doing a short experiment to try to lose a few more pounds before a beach vacation in Feb. I'm open to other ideas - I stick to a primal eating plan (around 1200-1300 cals/day, with less than 50g carbs, and lots of veggies, proteins and fats) and run or walk 3 miles daily. Curious to hear about your experiences...

merilung
01-22-2013, 01:57 PM
I do dairy, but only in small amounts - otherwise it flares up my arthritis, but fortunately due to lots of experimentation I know pretty much EXACTLY how much I can eat! I ate vegan for 3+ years, and I believe that cutting out dairy was the main reason I felt so good at the beginning of my vegan experiment. My husband, who also eats primally, can have dairy in pretty much unlimited amounts and has lots of keifr, homemade yogurt, ghee, butter, cheese, heavy cream, etc. without any negative effects.

TripSwitch
01-22-2013, 02:27 PM
Sugar is a tough one... I'm still struggling with this one... I will still use one packet of Sugar in the Raw a day if I have coffee, which I know only has 20 calories, but that combined with the 2 Tbsp.'s of half & half (even if it is organic and only has 40 calories...) somehow makes me feel like I'm "cheating"... I've also been allowing myself a few squares of very dark chocolate (about 100 calories worth or so...) as a "treat", but the trouble is I seem to want that "treat" every single day... ;)

I've thought about trying to completely cut out sugar for a few weeks to see if it makes any real difference, but I'm not sure I should bother since realistically I don't see myself giving up the occasional decadent dessert every once in a while...

Although I would like to get to a place where I think that it would feel very liberating not to feel I needed something sweet everyday... Just not sure if that is possible, but hey, you never know...

Radiojane
01-22-2013, 02:33 PM
I do dairy. I tried to cut it out, but I couldn't part with the cheese. I think cheese has been crucial to my success. There are times when one of those mini babybels has filled a hunger no amount of almonds or broccoli would. It's never made a huge impact on me, I have no intolerance to it and didn't notice any symptoms when I returned to it like I have when I've cheated with wheat.

The only sugar I'm allowing myself is the occasional chocolate. I don't really miss it at all.

TripSwitch
01-22-2013, 02:41 PM
I've been allowing myself a small amount of dairy in the form of 1 to 2 tbsp of organic half & half and maybe a tbsp of organic pastured butter a day and it hasn't made any difference in my maintaince... I've completely cut out dairy before, but I only think it helped my weight loss because of the reduction in calories from cutting it out...

EagleRiverDee
01-22-2013, 02:43 PM
I do dairy but limit it to cheese only. Technically I am allergic to dairy but find that if I keep it to a minimum I can eat it and so I choose cheese as my cheat. I don't mind not having milk or yogurt but I love cheese.

TripSwitch
01-22-2013, 02:55 PM
I really love cheese too... but it's just one of those foods that I could never seem to just have one serving of... I guess all those years of eating pizza and pretty much having cheese on almost everything really did me in... lol... ;)

bindiboop
01-22-2013, 02:56 PM
Howdy all! I have a question for you guys - how many of you do dairy? If you tolerate dairy, have you ever tried cutting it out? What happened? I'm thinking of doing a short experiment to try to lose a few more pounds before a beach vacation in Feb. I'm open to other ideas - I stick to a primal eating plan (around 1200-1300 cals/day, with less than 50g carbs, and lots of veggies, proteins and fats) and run or walk 3 miles daily. Curious to hear about your experiences...
First off, 1200-1300 cals/day seems VERY low, especially for a primal/paleo diet. The only dairy I eat is cheese and some cream or half/half in my morning coffee. I haven't noticed any problems from it. Are you questioning whether eliminating it completely will help you lose quicker? If so, I guess the only way to find out is to try it. I would try upping my fat calories (and total calorie intake) . I know Jimmy Moore (Liven' la vida low Carb, Low Carb conversations, and ask the low Carb experts) says he has to eat an 80% fat diet to lose weight because too much protein kicks him out of ketosis. I personally don't count my calories but I do keep Carb intake low, my protein moderate and my fat high. My weakness is my red wine in the evening. I know if cut that out completely I would drop pretty quickly. I would be interested in knowing if cutting out your dairy made the difference.

dancerindenver
01-22-2013, 04:51 PM
Thanks, all, for the comments and thoughts.

Bindiboop - totally agree on carbs low, protein medium and fat high - that's exactly what I've been doing. And around 2 glasses of red wine a week as my indulgence. The calories seem to work for me - I've been losing 2-3lbs/week until this week (only lost 1lb this week). I'll definitely raise that number when I get to maintenance. And yeah, I'm wondering if cutting out dairy and maybe nuts would help me with a quick pre-vacation loss and of course you're right - need to try it to find out. I just thought I'd poll my favorite gang of experts to see if there were others out there who had gone down this road before.

I've just spent the last few weeks traveling for work and found this plan relatively easy to stick to. Bringing along cooked bacon, raw almonds and apple slices and storing them in hotel mini-fridges helped. Anyone else have any travel tips for eating our way? I'm learning as I go...

merilung
01-22-2013, 05:04 PM
dancerindenver - when we travel we bring our own snacks - almonds, fruit, jerky, olives, guacamole packs, pemmican. I have the paleogogo app for finding paleo (or pseudo paleo) meals at restaurants, but honestly most of the time we just eat at chipotle (burrito bowls without rice) or panera (salads, without croutons/wontons/tortillas and no or very limited dressing) when on the road. We'll sometimes stop at a steakhouse type place or a mexican place, because those are easy joints to find paleo-ish options at.

If we're on an actual VACATION where we want to try the local cuisine, we just keep paleo 'rules' in mind and don't worry about being too strict. Obviously no cake or anything, but I'm not going to lose sleep over a little stray soy, etc.

Mizzthingaling
01-23-2013, 04:03 AM
My body can tolerate cheese, greek yogurt and cream. So those are what I stick with, but in small amounts. I agree that sometimes a small piece of cheese just get that spot. I try to stay with flavorful cheeses (feta, this sharp white cheddar I like, and even goal cheese). I've also found my body does good with the farmer's cheese I make.

I am working on taking snacks. I am going to try carrying jerky, fruit and nuts. That may be what I need.

merilung
01-23-2013, 11:54 AM
I've also found my body does good with the farmer's cheese I make.

Please tell me how to make farmer's cheese!!

Mizzthingaling
01-24-2013, 03:08 AM
Please tell me how to make farmer's cheese!!

I watched a guy on youtube make it but now I can't think of his name.

I use:

1 half gallon milk
1/4 c vinegar
1tsp salt

other spices if I feel fancy

Heat milk to it hot, but not boiling. Turn off heat and pour vinegar. Let it sit until the whey separates from the curd. Drain into a cheese clothe, season and tie. I let it hand for about 10 min over the sink and then refrigerate.

If you want to make more there are some good ones on youtube that even do mozzarella.

TripSwitch
01-29-2013, 04:17 PM
Looks like its been sort of quiet here... I have to admit I've been a little lax lately sticking to "strict paleo"... since I've been really focusing on my IF and experimenting with getting my diet in the ketogenic range to try and really make a dent it some stubborn body fat that I would like to get rid of... I know "paleo" is very compatible with what I'm trying to do and for the most part everything I'm eating is very paleo friendly... But that little bit of extra flexibility is mentally making it a bit easier for me to stick with right now... So for me, maybe this idea of an 80/20 rule is probably a good idea...

EagleRiverDee
01-29-2013, 07:13 PM
I've been cheating lately- major carb binges. I need to get back on track.

TripSwitch
01-29-2013, 08:05 PM
EagleRiverDee... I'm right there with ya... :) Those carbs can be a slippery slope... I've been rationalizing... I tell myself something like "It's only a bit of honey" and then I think "Well, wouldn't that be good over a sliced up banana... and while you at it why not add some chopped nuts..." and then it's all over... I wind up having some dark chocolate too, because at point I just can't help myself... and I probably could of just had a bowl of ice cream with about the same amount of sugar :dizzy:

Funny thing is I always thought I would have more trouble staying away from the bread, pasta, and rice than I would the sweets... But I guess I'm more of sugar addict than I realized...

Oh, well... I guess the one good thing is at least I'm not kidding myself about it as much anymore...

Mizzthingaling
01-30-2013, 03:28 AM
I had some slips too until it gave me stomach pains. No more bread for me. I want to try to get to 90/10 but I took am trying to drop some body fat.

TripSwitch
02-04-2013, 11:55 AM
Not exactly back on track yet... but I haven't had any chocolate in over a week and I cut out the one Sugar in the Raw packet I was using in my coffee... And speaking of coffee... Has anybody here tried making "Bullet Proof" coffee? From what I can gather it's coffee with BUTTER and COCONUT OIL in it! Which sounds a bit over the top to me... but maybe it's just one of those things along the lines of "Don't knock it till you try it"?

Actually, this brings me to my next question... Does anybody have any recommendations for "paleo" cookbooks that they like? One of my problem areas seems to be with sauces and salad dressings... and saw that one of the PB cookbooks is just for that... Anyone have that one? I might just go ahead and buy it sight unseen, because with all the "Big ***" salads that I eat I really need to stop being so lazy and start making my own salad dressings again...

Radiojane
02-04-2013, 12:10 PM
I use fast paleo for all my recipes. Marks daily apple .com has some great ones for sauces too. Somewhere on his site he has recipes for ketchup, mustard and mayo.

TripSwitch
02-04-2013, 02:15 PM
Thanks Radiojane... I'll check those out...

Rana
02-04-2013, 02:28 PM
I really like Well Fed by Melissa Jouwan.

I also purchased Practical Paleo and I forget, another one, but Well Fed is the one that I use the most, to be honest.

Jez
02-06-2013, 11:53 PM
Just curious... Does anyone include any game meats in their diet? I'd be interested to hear others experience and if anyone has any recommendations on ones they really like, as well as good suppliers that would be great... I don't regularly, but I recently went to a restaurant and got what they call their "Road kill grill" (lol.) along with a sampler appetizer platter. I ended up having duck tenders, venison sausage, buffalo meatballs, rabbit (in raviolis :-/), quail, and wild boar sausage. I wish I had more access to "weird" stuff.

TripSwitch
02-07-2013, 11:24 AM
Rana... thanks.. I was looking at Well Fed on amazon... it looked really good... I almost just went ahead and bought it, but I decided I wanted to take a look at in person first, so I've got to take a walk over to Barnes & Noble... I'm just afraid I'll come out of there with every paleo cookbook they have... I've been known to get carried away there... lol...

Jez... I really like exotic stuff too... and even though I can find pretty much anything here in NYC (you should see some of stuff they have down in Chinatown... It's still alive!) whenever I bring up the subject of trying something different at home, my family gives me a look like I'm crazy and tells me there is no way they're going to eat anything like that... So I only get to try stuff like that when I'm eating out too...

A few weeks ago though I did special order some fresh game that was supposedly hunted on some estate in Scotland and then flown next day air to New York and tried this really elaborate recipe which was basically a really fancy stew... I didn't tell my family what was in it and I made noodles to go with it for them, so I think they just thought it was goulash or something... lol... No one really complained... just said it was really "rich" and "heavy" but good... the only real problem is we could have all probably just gone out to dinner for what it wound up costing to make... lol... But I would definitely do it again for a special occasion or maybe a holiday or something like that...

EagleRiverDee
02-07-2013, 01:37 PM
I'm still rocking this Primal diet. Mostly. I've got some bad habits and need to quit them. I've got a sweet tooth that I've been giving in to lately, and wine...I love wine. I'm thinking of giving alcohol up for Lent, since I think I would stick with it for that. LOL. My breakfasts and lunches are pretty much 100% Primal. Dinner is my pitfall. Some because of me, but a lot because of my DH who seems to just not want to go along. Like last night he brought home Gyros. I mean, I love Gyros, of course. But of course I weigh up a pound this morning due to the bread. :(

deetermined2
02-14-2013, 09:23 AM
EagleRiverDee,

I understand. My DH often wants to go out for Thai and Chinese, (and I am even wheat intolerant). Those places never have gluten-free menus. That or he pushes Margaritas if we go out for Mexican, where they at least have a steak fajita salad.

At least with Gyros at home you can ditch the bread and wrap the contents in romaine leaves.

EagleRiverDee
02-14-2013, 01:58 PM
Well I did decide to give up alcohol for Lent, and I'm going to also put a focus on eating right and not giving in to my sweet tooth. I've been about 70% Primal lately- dinners have been a pitfall. Both DH and I have been using panko breading on some dishes, cooking more potatoes, etc. It's not terrible by conventional standards, but definitely not primal. My breakfast and lunches remain primal, though. My biggest pitfall right now is in the evenings I'm tired and trying to follow a new Primal recipe or whatever just isn't working for me. I think I need to start doing Primal Crockpot recipes, haha, so it'll just be ready when we get home.

Radiojane
02-14-2013, 04:25 PM
I'm having some issues with the same thing at dinner. I think I'm going to have to start doing more planning ahead and maybe cook ahead on weekends. Most of the time I don't keep non primal foods in the house (except for my pre portioned cheese - I couldn't part with cheese), but my boyfriend INSISTED that I bring potatoes back for him, and once we determined that nightshades really don't bug him the way dairy does, I started buying those pre made mashed potatoes. Well, every time I make them, at least a spoonful goes into my mouth!

I'm hosting a dinner party on Tuesday, and I'm making it a completely primal affair, partly to stay on plan and partly because my BIL is celiac. Monday is the holiday so maybe I'll just pre make most of the dinner and then do the same for the rest of the week.

TripSwitch
02-14-2013, 05:02 PM
I started buying those pre made mashed potatoes. Well, every time I make them, at least a spoonful goes into my mouth!

This made me laugh... because I do the exact same thing in my house when I'm cooking for my family... It's funny to, because I can mix up a whole batch of brownies to make for my family and not even think about licking the spoon (well that's a lie... I do think about it, but at least I don't do it) but leave me around a bowl of mashed potatoes too long and I just can't be trusted... :)

EagleRiverDee
02-14-2013, 06:46 PM
LOL- Mash potatoes are a weakness of mine as well. I'm of Irish descent, I think I'm genetically predisposed to loving potatoes! :)

TripSwitch
02-14-2013, 06:57 PM
LOL- Mash potatoes are a weakness of mine as well. I'm of Irish descent, I think I'm genetically predisposed to loving potatoes! :)

I like this... Maybe this is part of my problem... I have the dreaded "potato" gene... :D

TripSwitch
02-26-2013, 06:48 PM
Looks like it been quiet here... I'm happy to report that steering clear of grains has been going well... But going hardcore paleo... well, that's just not happening right now... I've been just trying to focus on my LCHF plan for now... so some full fat dairy... some heavy cream and full fat cheese have been part of that... and since I'm doing a lot salad greens I'm using store bought salad dressings too, because I've just been too lazy to make my own right now... But I'm not going to make myself crazy over it...

So definitely "a work in progress"... :)

EagleRiverDee
02-27-2013, 07:39 PM
I'm doing...so/so right now. I'm about 70% primal. I'm struggling with rice and potatoes. I have no problem avoiding wheat, however. And the fact that rice and potatoes are both a little controversial (some say they're ok for primal/paleo and some say they aren't) makes it harder. Wheat is cut and dry- everyone agrees it's no good.

SweetAsCanBe
02-28-2013, 02:24 AM
Hey everyone! I just joined this evening although I have been lurking a little. I've been obsessed over what changes I need to make (with all the conflicting info this is hard to figure out). I can say I gave up soda almost 3 weeks ago. I knew for sure that was a definite step in the right direction. I've also given up sweet tea and mostly been able to steer myself away from sweets. I did cave one night and make chocolate cake then didn't like it because I put frosting on it and I'm not much of a frosting person. Anyway, I've decided to go primal. I don't drink much milk, don't care for yogurt, but I have to have cheese so I won't be eliminating that right away. I would like to lose about 75 lbs or more, but mostly I want to be around for my kids for a long time in a healthy way. I don't want my kids to pick up my bad habits. I want them to be fit and healthy but I feel I'm setting them up for failure the way we've been going. That leads me to my concern... we are a family of 6, 4kids ages 2-12. I'm a sahm with our 2 year old. With only 1 income, we are on a tight budget. I won't be able to buy organic or grass fed as much as I should for primal, so will this mess me up? I'm hoping hunters in the family will share some venison, otherwise it's what I can afford to buy and still make sure everyone eats and bills are paid.

Wow, I'm long winded tonight. Sorry!

EagleRiverDee
02-28-2013, 03:50 PM
I won't be able to buy organic or grass fed as much as I should for primal, so will this mess me up?

Grass fed is better because it's got a better Omega ratio, but if you can't afford that then just try to get cuts of lean meat and try to get hormone/antibiotic free meat if you can. Chicken and lamb are easier to get like this than beef, but even our regular grocery (Safeway) has hormone/antibiotic free beef. Also, Buffalo/Bison must be antibiotic and hormone free by law. I often use ground bison meat in place of beef hamburger in recipes. It is more expensive, but only marginally. And wild fish/seafood is always good. Even some farmed varieties aren't too bad.

SweetAsCanBe
03-01-2013, 12:13 PM
Thanks, Dee. I will be grocery shopping soon so I can check prices. I'm lucky to live in a farming community so I'm sure I can find someone that sells meat for a reasonable price too. My food budget for a family of 6 is $450-500 per month. Not very big, but I manage. I think cutting out all the sugar, prepackaged, nasty stuff will help offset the higher cost of meat a little.

1961tracy
03-03-2013, 02:07 AM
Hi I am all about good carbs, grass fed beef, free range eggs and chicken etc. I am really impressed by all the weight loss tickers on this thread. I'd like to check into Paleo/Primal dieting. Which diet book worked the best for you and why?

SweetAsCanBe
03-03-2013, 01:01 PM
Although I'm new to primal (I'm on day 5), I'm already noticing a difference. I suggest the Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson. It tells you why certain things are bad for our bodies and how. You can also find lots of info on marksdailyapple. Good luck!

EagleRiverDee
03-07-2013, 08:01 PM
+1 on The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson.

And check out his site Marksdailyapple.com - he does an article every day, there's a huge archive of previous articles, a lot of the info in the book is on that site for free, there are some success stories (lots of them) and a very active forum.

This one is my favorite primal success story, but they are all awesome: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-unconquerable-dave/#axzz2MtxjEMhw - the first photo to the last photo is one of the most amazing transformations I've seen.