Weight and Resistance Training - BFL/BB #88 - week of 3 Feb 2003

Sorry for the quick post you guys...I AM SWAMPED HERE - getting ready for another meeting that begins tomorrow PLUS cleaning up from last weeks'. At least I don't have to travel for this weeks'!

I'll post more later...carry on everyone!

Morning peeps!

Well I have had a busy but lovely couple of days at work - I have achieved so much! Clean eats all the way helps with keeping the energy levels up as well! Just enjoying my morning coffee at the moment before my boss arrives!

Adriana: I know what you mean by 'scene' at Uni but since I am doing my Masters degree the scene is a bit more mature THANK goodness for that! I couldn't afford the alcohol these days anyways!!! :lol:

Hope everyone is having a good day!

JC

Hey all!

Lost 6 1/2 inches (whole body) in my 1st 3 weeks of C1. Haven't weighed--I will tonight and am not looking forward to it.

Didn't do well over the weekend. I had a "free meal" Fri. and Sat. in addition to a completely free day on Sunday. Today's not so hot, either, since I did no grocery shopping/cooking this weekend. Gotta hit the store tonight.

Hope everyone is doing well!

Cheryl

PS--How could I have lived for so long not knowing exactly how much I LUV baked potatoes?

Have any of you ever tried spray butter? It has absolutely NO nutritional value and 5 mg of sodium. Tastes great on those potatoes!!

Hi everyone,
I'm just starting on C1W3 and I am curious just how "free" you make your free days. Or do you still try to be somewhat on the healthy side?
TK

Okay, I think I finally have all of my computer problems solved -- at least until next month, when all of my equipment will become obsolete again. ;)

I've had some computer time to check in, but couldn't keep up with all of the posts. There's a lot of positive energy here, that's for sure. . .

TKMagic -- I've finished one challenge and kinda limped through a partial one (before the holidays). I take completely free days -- whatever I feel like eating, I eat. I don't think this has derailed my effort much (I'm still a long way from being "lean and strong," though), and free days have helped me mentally. I find it easier to say no to donuts when I know I can have one on Sunday (my free day) if I really want. But, I think everyone has to do what works for them. Some people have trouble going back on plan on Monday when they've been totally "free" on Sunday. You might need to do a little experimentation to see how much food freedom you can tolerate/need on that day.

Hope everyone had a great day. Ciao, Mox

Hi I hope that I can join your group. I have just started today. So far things seem to be going well. I have a couple of questions.Do you sweat after you are done you weight work outs? I know that this mornign after I was done I was not but I do know that I was not going fast enough. I will have to pick it up and add more weight for my chest . The rest was fine.
I am looking forward to my cardio day tomorow. I love doing cardio. It will be different for me to only go 20 minutes. I am so use to an hour.
Well I hope you will let me join your group.
Tanya
195/155/140

Hey Mox! How are you?

TKMagic: On my first 2 challenges I had full free days now I eat what I want but I don't crave so much so it ends up being a carb load than sugar and fat. Experiment and you will find the right balance for you.

Cheryl: Well done!!

Tanya: OF COURSE you can join :D As for the sweat for me it depends on the workout but normally I sweat a little with weights. With cardio thought I am drenched! Don't worry you will soon get used to the 20 minutes when you see results - the key is INTENSITY! GO hard or go home!! :lol:

JC

hey everyone,

started my week 3 today. was sick yesterday, so i spent most of the day in bed. i think my body appreciated the rest, i think it has been 4 weeks since it did not have to do some sort of exercise. its telling me to take a day off....and i listened. so i got back today to start week 3. i was pretty tired for the ubwt, but i think i did okay, considering.

two more weeks til vacation...cant wait. going to san deigo with my boyfriend. any ideas on portable foods to bring for the trip? will be spending the days visiting sea world, the zoo, sight see, and his parents.

i can workout at the hotel gym, so i am not worried but the eating....afraid that i will slip and never come back.

jilly

Hello Everyone!

Ok.. first day, C1 - and go figure.. usually i looooove cottage cheese and this morning.. i practically had to choke it down...aggkkk! I've never experienced that before. This is so unusual for me, i'm a fairly good morning eater, and like i said, i like cottage cheese, so go figure.

Other than that..everything is going well except for the water consumption.. i'm not NEARLY drinking what i should be. Would decaf tea with splenda count?

Last question - what happens if you eat waaay more protien than carbs at a meal? welll... EACH meal?

Have a great day everyone!

joanne

Wow! jilly - Jim is from San Diego and we drove down there in September and back in less than 48 hours to see his family. We actually stayed in Cardiff-by-the-Sea for one night - we had planned to stay two but we were so ready to hit the road and beat the traffic through downtown LA! We left SD at 11:15 pm and got home to the Bay Area around 9 am the next morning and of course went right to sleep!

Anyway when I travel I always bring my Myoplex Lite and Braun hand blender - they don't take up much room and that's an easy, quick meal. When I was at the Waldorf, I brought along some dry oatmeal and some protein powder as well - so I could have 'proatmeal' in the mornings. I just used that coffeepot that's generally in the room to make water hot enough to 'cook' my oats, and let the oats and hot water steam in a covered Gladware bowl while I take my shower. (This is how they make hot mash for horses basically!) Then there's tuna pouches, and all that portable stuff. But ya know, when Jim and I go on vacation, part of the vacation is eating together, but it's really not that difficult to find a restaurant that will feed you. Besides I really hate eating in the hotel room - it's too much like eating in my bedroom, ick!

This is where planning ahead is key. Check the websites for San Diego Zoo and Sea World - they'll generally have info posted.

Here's the zoo's. http://www.sandiegozoo.org/zoo/visitor_info.html#dining

and Sea World's... http://www.4adventure.com/seaworld/ca/dp_dining_options.aspx

Looks like both of them have stuff on their choices you can work with - grilled chicken, salads, seafood, etc. so I think you'll be fine! Ya know, I can see if you're in a totally hopeless food situation - or doing contest prep - bringing your own food all over the place when you're eating out with friends and relatives, but eating out is part of the pleasure, you know? The best thing to do is be aware of your options in advance. With the internet, it's so easy to do the planning ahead - looking at websites and getting a general idea of the cuisine and what's on the menu. With me, I know if it's a seafood place, I can generally relax and know that there's SOMETHING on the menu I can eat. Hey! ya wanna do this for LIFE - you just have to plan ahead a bit.

I'm still getting over my sore throat. I think that my reserves were shot - I was just worn down and got sick easily. I can't even REMEMBER the last time I was really sick, but these meetings really DRAIN me - they're quite stressful, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but they just wear me out by the end of them - the offsites that is. The onsites are a piece o'cake! And it is a real treat for me to be able to bring Jim along - he's like part of the group now. Having had it both ways, I can emphatically say that it is MUCH better to have a partner who gets along well with pretty much everyone!

Joanne - ya know, I would say if decaf tea w/splenda helps you drink your water, then why not? Just try and drink some 'plain' water as well - get yourself used to it. I actually used to use Crystal Light or Lipton Instant Diet Decaf Tea Mix w/Lemon in my water (with lots of ice!) but now at work I just drink straight water - no diet cokes unless my butt is dragging!

JC - I NEVER seem to hear about those catastrophes for some reason! I'll have to check CNN (however I have not been really reading the paper this past week so I might have missed it). Now with the space shuttle explosion - well, that's what most of the paper is about these past few days. I feel terrible for the families, but really if you think about it - three accidents in almost 40 years isn't a bad statistic - I'm surprised that, given the danger of what's being done that there haven't been MORE terrible accidents.

Tanya - welcome! I think most of the gals here have been through the same thing you have - with the cardio. I myself used to do at least one hour of cardio every single day. However, just hitting that 10...doing those high points at maximum intensity - is SO effective...it will amaze you. Oh and I sweat a LOT during weight training - especially legs. Not as much as doing cardio, maybe but still a lot.

Gonna go join hubby and kitties for Seinfeld now!

Karen: yeah they are going on about the safety and stuff with the shuttle but when you think about it 3 in 40 years ain't bad. Just a typical knee jerk reaction.

JC

wow !! it's so great seeing everyone on the board. i was too tired yesterday to come in here, but i did miss you all :)

i've been fighting my lower back problems for a few days now but after seeing my dr in the morning i decided to go ahead and workout. i did an extra-ordinary chest, back and shoulders workout after that (i upped all the weights)! the back hurt a bit, but nothing major. then it was 30 minutes of elliptical torture. that thing makes the bottoms of my feet numb, but i didn't want to over-tax my back on the treadmill. today i'll swim after the legs workout.

i'm also too busy with getting silly things out of the way.... you know, the kind of stuff that we put off forever till it can't be put off anymore :dizzy: at least that's pretty much done with for now.

glad to hear that you're all doing well these days :)

Karen - glad to hear that you're feeling better. i would crash and burn on your kind of schedule !! i'm fairly busy, but with no real pressures biting my butt all the time. take care and have a good meeting.

Tanya - i sweat during weights, especially on a legs day. leg presses and squats get my heart pumping quite a lot. less sweat on the upper body stuff, but still. i would try a bit heavier weights, you really want to push yourself all the time. after cardio i have to change my shirt just to go back home.

Karen, again - those were great suggestions on what to do during a trip. i think it's quite easy for us to think that it's difficult to stay on plan during a vacation, but i completely agree with you that it can be done, and with style ;)

Joanne - that's super strange about the cottage cheese. you aren't getting sick or anything like that? i'm sure it was just something very passing. good luck on this challenge. it sure is great that you're doing this for yourself :smug:

now on the subject of free days! personally, i stay away from them like the plague. i got into all this mess because of the foods that i ate during all these years. i'm doing this positive change in my life for my health, my future. i see it as completely counterproductive for me to keep up with a whole day of the horrible foods that put my health in danger (of course it was me and my relationship with those foods). i may have one free meal here and there, but that's usually just an addition of say a little piece of cake or some cookies, max!! actually, eating the crap that i used to eat makes me quite ill now. i had a cinnamon roll last week and it gave me heartburn for two days! i wanted to die :o

but this is a completely personal issue (kind of like cardio). i completely understand the reasoning behind a free day or free meal. most people find that it helps them to stay on track during the week when they can look forward to that freedom. so, bottom line is that you'll just have to find what works the best for you in the end. for me it's catastrophic, for other's is a God-send.

wishing you all a great tuesday.

adriana

Hi All -

My DH and I are on C1, W2, D2 - things are going well so far. We ate pretty simple clean food last week (lots of baked chicken and brown rice) but I've printed off a bunch of BFL recipes from here and L&S so can add more variety now. Made the BFL banana bread yesterday- very good for an evening meal.

Have taken everyone's advice and done a big cooking afternoon to get us ready for the week - it's so much easier to have containers of ready meals in the fridge to grab and go.

After a few days of headaches last week (anyone else have those?) we're both feeling great on this program - sharper, somehow. My DH has also noticed he's no longer cold when he gets up in the morning.

Our workouts are going well - trying to stay exactly within the program - some muscle soreness 24/48 hours after weights workouts, but that's pretty normal.

We were looking forward to our first free day, but the whole family came down with colds so couldn't taste a thing by Sunday - what a disappointment! Oh well...

We're both happy with the program so far, thanks for all your ideas and recipes on this forum.

BethO

Mornin All!

Mrs. Jim... do you think it might be possible to put a sticky thread with BFL recipes?

BethO - Good for you with your progress so far! Its nice to see that you and your husband are getting on fine with the program so far.

Also, Mrs. Jim - Do you know anything about BFL and hypothyroid? Will progress be slower?

At this point, if my progess is slower than usual, (of course it would be nice to see results faster), the idea that i'm looking after my body with good food and excersize is enough for me.

Have a WONDERFUL day everyone!!

joanne:cool:

Hi girls :wave:

How's everyone today? I'm not so happy I couldn't get out to go to the gym today because it's freezing rain here. They had warnings all over the news last night, when I got up this morning I couldn't hear the rain on the windows... BUT when I went out to start the van it was covered with about 1/8" of ice... and I could barely walk in the driveway, it was like a rink... so back in the house I came and listened to the local radio station to find out some more details.... ALL school buses and public transit are not working, they don't even recommend you go walk because of the sidewalks are terrible... So the kids are doin' the "snowday" dance now.... Maybe I'll go later when they've salted the side streets....

Jilly -- try creaming your CC with a handblender and adding like MrsJim some vanilla and splenda...My favorite lately came about my a mistake that DH made when he did the groceries and I asked him to get some NS vanilla pudding, he came back home with NS white chocolate instead .... OMG I have died and gone to heaven with the taste of this pudding....it is so decadent when you cream it with CC....:T...

Joanne -- On days when I have trouble taking in my water I take a fresh lemon, I have lots because I decorate a bowl in my dinning room with them, squeeze the lemon in a glass along with some splenda I use 3 pks with lots of ice.... it's extremely refreshing I can't wait to drink it in the summer...

Adriana -- Take it easy on your back, IMO swimming would be the best for you till your back gets better in a week or so... I too get indigestion from "unclean" foods... I will burp Lipton chicken noodle soup all afternoon if I have that for lunch...

BethO -- Happy to hear you and DH are doing so well on BFL...Keep up the good work.....

Restaurant -- I have no problems at all in most restaurant.... unless it's a hotdog joint , then I won't even bother eating, I'll wait till later... I don't know how many times I've watched my kids eat in places like that...

Freedays -- I have to take it easy too because it gets me going for a couple of days afterwards....

Well gotta go... not that I have much to do but I want to putter around the house and clean a bit... of course housework is NEVER EVER fully done....

Hey before I leave did anyone watch Dr. Phil yesterday??? OMG!!!!! they had a child on there who is 4 and weighs 150 lbs. and the mother is in denial that she's not feeding well, and says that the doctors just haven't found what's wrong with him... She just wants the medical community to find something with him so that she doesn't get the blame for this poor child's obesity...

Well gotta go...

Well, when I went for my weigh-in yesterday, sure enough I had gained 2 lbs. from my BfL starting weight! So glad I had the warnings from all you folks 'bout avoiding the scales! Didn't get in a good LBWO yesterday, unfortunately. I've gotta pick it up and start doing better!!

Changin--noticed your request for a recipe sticky. There is a thread on this forum that is a recipe thread. It just doesn't get bumped to the top very often. It has some WONDERFUL, mouth-watering BfL-friendly recipes!!

Hope everyone has a great day!

Hi thank you for the welcome. I just finished the cardio and was great. I think that I will be working hard on my legs tomorow. I sure can feel my upper body today. I think part to my problem is I was not going fast enough.
I found that eating during the day not to bad. I was invited out for supper last night but I told them that I had plans. Day one was to inportant to me to go somewhere and eat. I think that I just need to get use to the program before I go somewhere to eat.
Well in to day 2
Tanya

OMG I SAW THAT DR. PHIL LAST NIGHT!!! Channel 4 here shows Dr. Phil at the terrific hour of 8 pm (terrific because I'm at home and still awake - Oprah comes on at 4 and I usually don't get off work until at least 5). Jim and I couldn't beLIEVE that woman, along with her grandma. And they still insisted there was a medical problem!! Part II is supposed to be on tonight. I liked the way Dr. Phil handled it but there is only so much he can do. That poor boy. I bet that he is at home with just grandma all day - no other kids - while his mom works, and Grandma just lets him eat whatever he wants. He is really going to have major problems at school. Remember that book by Judy Blume called "Blubber"? That was one of my favorites growing up.

More on eating out while on BFL - you know, all the major theme parks have 'gotten it' - when I was at Disneyland back in '99 I had no problem finding something on my plan at the time (I was doing a vegan ultra-low-fat diet). The real problem is staying AWAY from all the tempting treats. BFL might seem restrictive, but really, if you look at it, you have a lot of options - as long as you plan ahead!

Good idea on the recipe sticky - I'll just get our thread and stick it to the top of the forum (with the BFL info and the articles thread). We're going to have lots of stickies!

Gotta run for now - fortunately this week's meeting is in the hotel across the road from the offices so I can just zip over from my desk. Cheers!

Just a note to check in. I have been off the plan for one week due to illness but am back on plan today. I feel really weak and started today w/ cardio, am NOT looking forward to strength training tomorrow but I know it will get easier as I get back into it. It felt really weird to take a week off but I think it was what I had to do. I will feel better about everything when I know I am firmly back on the challenge.

Hello to all you new folks! and the familiar faces, too :)

Did my first real shoulder workout in 3 weeks, and it was great to be able to do all the muscles again and NO pain. I kept it a bit lighter than usual, and did not go to failure since failure may actually be total tendon and joint failure at this point, but boy was it great to be able to do the workout! Then 4 sets of hanging ab combinations- UGH they are tough!, then a good fast 30 minutes on the elliptical and I was done for the day.

Karen- You started quite a war by copying my post onto L&S! I didn't even realize it until Ron B emailed me in the evening- and he didn't realize it was me that you were quoting LOL! And I was thinking how boring it's gotten over there lately.

JC- I'm glad you are back. You sound really busy. Thought you'd dropped off the face of the earth.

Ledom- Sorry you've been sick. It does feel weird to take time off- I'm sure you'll be weaker at first, but the strength comes back quickly. Hang in there.

2cute- Your dedication is great in tuning down dinner offers on day 1, but don't get too anti-social. I did- and it taook a while to get back the reminding myself that this is to improve our quality of life, but be our entire life. I can understand you wanting to stick to plan- that's great.

Lanaii- ICE! :yikes: How I hate ice. We seem to have more ice problems here most years than snow. This year it's been snow, but today it's raining buckets.

Betho- That's terrible that you looked forward to freeday so much then couldn't taste anything :lol:

I don't do free day- maybe a small treat, or just a relaxation of my strict menu, like a pick a few favorite legal meals and eat them all on the same day, or have 1 glass or wine, or 1 tablespoon of peanut butter. I didn't do them at all in c1, then did them in c2 and started gorging myself. Since I battle with binge eating, it's better for me just not to go there at all. Also at this point for me, even an extra 1000 calories can undo all my progress for a week, and refined or fatty foods just make me feel sick anyway. Unfortunately that hasn't stopped me wanting them, I just don't give in any more. As long as I don't even taste, I'm OK.

back to work-
nel

Hey guys,

Week 2 is going really well so far. Had a great cardio WO yesterday and a good LBWO today.

Actually went out to eat and did stay with the basic plan. Had a chicken breast and rice. It was just nice to not have to cook. I've cooked more in the last week than I usually do in 2 weeks (which is probably how I got myself into this shape!). We normally eat out alot and this program is really helping me get back to healthy eating.

Tried the Myoplex Deluxe and decided to half the pkg and add carbs to it. I can't express how nasty it was. It smelled like puke(pardon the expression)!! My hysband couldn't even choke it down so it has to be bad. Took it back and got the Lite and Dwight(my husband) said it was alot better. I'll get back to you all on that when I get around to trying it. I won't believe it until I actually taste it. Hope it works for me since I work my 4 night rotation starting on Thursday pm and it will be very convenient for my 12 hour shifts. It might be better for me to use just a protien powder and then add carbs to make the taste better.

Glad to hear you all are having a good week and looking forward to keeping up with you in my week 2.

Thanks for the post on the squats from the Krista Smash site. I did the squats today and there is no comparing them to the leg press. I can tell the squats work my muscles much better.

Should I change up the exercises in my UBWO and LBWO each week. There are 4 to choose from for each muscle group in the book. Should I mix and match?

Thanks again for all the answers and support.

Melissa

Hello all

I agree with you Mel it was getting a bit boring over there lately. Sorry I haven't been around - it's just so busy here at the moment and today the PABX guys are doing cabling so the place is a mess of spaghetti cables! I have to time when I go to the bathroom because the door is blocked a lot!

Life is grand - I had my first belly dancing class last night and it was fun! The instructor told me that I was 'a natural' so I was fairly chuffed! I am doing it with another girl doing BFL Jayne (jaylizbet on L&S) so it's loads of fun.

Anyway I gotta go help these phone techs!

JC

Hey Mel & Karen: MY apologies to the newbies if this is over your heads!

I just read the entire post re: the cross quote and found it very interesting. I wanted to dart in and post but I know better than to get involved but I wanted to raise it here. The whole issue of glycoren storage and using it up. We all know that the body can use any macronutrient for energy but how it chooses to use them comes down to efficiencies. Obvious Protein is the most inefficient and carbs being the most efficient (simple sugars theory).

I have spent the past 5 weeks being a guinea pig myself and testing the whole you need 'carbs for energy theory' and 'muscle building needs protein burning in a carb flame' theory. I am surprised to say that I actually built muscle more effectively with what I did than the first time that I did BFL! What is stranger is that I ate very little carbs during most days but then had periodic carb loads for glycorin storage for my workouts and this seemed to be more efficient than eating carbs regularly. I upped my fat intake for energy and I will say that my energy levels were higher and more constant with high fat than with regular carbs.

Anyways to cut a long theory short if I can eat small amounts of carbs most days and more fat for energy and STILL build muscle then how would this apply to fatloss? Any ideas? I was thinking similar to cutting carbs I would just cut back on the fat?? What do you think??

JC

hi everyone,

thanks for all the suggestions for eating out. yeah, when i think about it, there are lot of choices. i will look for seafood places for sure. and you are right again about staying away from the bad stuff. i will bring alone some protein drink mix...i think i can do that, and some fresh fruits for the morning routine.

i am at awe at what you can do with CC. i have been trying different recipe posted and they are great :) i really like the blended CC with sugar sub. and fruit...its so addicting. and also, i made a clam dip with it today and eat it with raw veggies, it was really good. I had to put some onion soup mix in it, but i will think of other ways to make it interesting without the soup mix.

i was really slugglish today after the cardio...felt so tired. but then i had a cup of coffee and felt great! is one cup of okay per day?

nighty night,
Jilly

Jill-One cup of coffee is fine. Just have any extra glass of water to make up for the diuretic effect. And no cream or sugar lol.

Everyone but JC stop here.

JC- Hmmm... similar to what I'm trying now, tho I wouldn't really say I'm carb loading. I'm only eating starchy carbs on lifting days, and then only in the meals preceeding my workouts. No starchy carbs after meal 3 usually. I eat TONS of vegetable carbs, and am trying to cut fruits to 1 portion per day, since that's such a simple carb. As for the carb loading- to lose weight you have to find that balance where all the glycogen is used during your workout so the excess is not then converted to fat. Then run your body and brain on non-starchy carbs the rest of the day. How much fat are you eating now? I tried to drop mine to 10%, but found it triggered binging and general "starvation psychosis", and have gone back to 20%. I don't notice a change in energy, but I'm a lot happier.
Well, this probably didn't help, since I'm just musing here on the keyboard. I think after a certain point, we all have to become our own guinea pigs. Good for you for sticking it out for 5 weeks in experimental stage. Experiments scare me, but I guess that's cause food in general scares me. It's had such power for too many years, and continues to be an obsession, albeight towards health this time (or leanness). Ok- at this point I'm favoring leanness over health. Let me know what you come up with-
mel

Everyone but Mel stop here.

I can see the justification in only eating carbs preceeding your workout. With regards to the carb loading I was experiencing – the super-glucose compensation state which I think would explain my muscle gains (by the way I lost some fat because my weight didn’t rise at all but I got smaller in the waist and hips) I also had strength gains that I didn’t expect on such low carbs.

I was running my brain and body on fat to be honest because even my non-starchy carbs (one cup of green salad a day) were limited (only the odd small fruit along with that a day as well). My fat intake was high – say in the 80-100 gms a day or so (I wasn’t perfect with it) thus my energy was high. I think I worked it out that about 40-50% of my daily calories were from fat – I was trialling swapping carb levels with fat basically AKA Atkins etc. The carb loads were obviously to feed workouts and stop full blown acidity from ketosis to starve off burning muscle. Once I got over the initial tiredness my energy was high and only dropped when I forgot to add in enough fat over the day. (Sounds bizarre huh – please pass the bacon!) Most of my fat sources were good ones as I tried to keep saturated fat to a minimum and of course I tried to stick to unprocessed foods as much as I could.

I am favouring leanness as well. My health is fine at the moment so I just want to get lean now. It’s interesting to play with these things if you have the patience!

JC

Hey Lanaii1,

How do you mix the CC and white chocolate pudding? Do you dissolve the pudding in water first like you do the jello? Do you add anything else or just the CC and pudding and then eat it as a pudding? Where are the carbs in this or do you have to add some on the side(fruit or similar)? Thanks alot!!

Melissa

Hey Melissa

You mix it together in a blender normally to get rid of the curds. I would dissolve the pudding like jello to give it a better consistency but go easy on the water. You could add a sweetener if it isn't sweet enough for you.

The carbs are in the pudding - not the best choice but ok once in a while. I only have chocolate here and the nutrional info is 8 grams per serve with 4 serves in the packet. So if you used half a packet there would be 16gms of carbs and the whole packet would be 32 gms etc. The carb source seems to be maltodextrin (from corn) which I think is like corn syrup. Strange because in Australia that product would be considered a sugar?? I guess that you have different laws to us.

I use the puddings now and then and they are totally to die for!! I am going to try this recipe!

JC

to say I did my first workout in a week. As expected I felt weaker, but SO glad to be back at it. I was afraid I'd just throw in the towel because I have really been enjoying sleeping in. But, I said I'd start back today and I did. Started back on the diet yesterday so all systems are go.

Melissa, know what you mean about CC. I like it mixed in with baked sweet potato, vanilla, splenda, and cinammon. Also with my oatmeal and the same condiments as w/ the sweet potato. My other favorite is frozen bluberries and Fiber One w/ CC.

Hey guys,

Thanks JC and ledom for the info. I got the sugar free pudding and it has 6 carbs per serving with 4 servings per pkg so it's about the same as yours in Australia. It also had maltodextrin in it. Guess I'll try it out and post what I think. I'll also try out some of the other variations on the CC.

Had a great cardio WO today and tomorrow is LBWO. It actually should be an UBWO, but my lifting partner needed to switch up the rotation a bit so that LBWOs fall on a certain day. So we went ahead and did an UBWO today even though I know that's against the BFL rules. Now I'm absolutely worn out. It feels good though!!

I'll check back in and keep up the great posts!

Melissa

Hi everyone. I did my low body WO today. I am going to stillhave to work in how to get my weight heavy enough. I feel that I am still not working hard enough. I guess that is why you need to keep track.
I have not been counting carbs but do you need to? This is what I have been eating in a day please let me know if this seems right
meal 0ne
1/2 cup cottage cheese
1 bram muffin
meal 2
chocolate shake made with skim milk
meal 3
3 oz salmon
2 whole wheat bread
1 tb ULF mayo
1 cup raw vegies
meal 4
protien shake made with FF milk
meal 5
3 oz fish
1 cup brown rice
2 cup salad
2 tb FF dressing
meal6
1/2 cottage cheese
1/2 cup strawberries
Let me know if this seems right. Yesterday i when over to my parents and had lunch I did well. I know that you still need to get out to eat and I will but the first day I just was not ready to do that.
Tanya

Tanya- Here's my quickie 2 cents on your menu:

1/2 cup cottage cheese
1 bram muffin
Not enough protein here. 1/2 cup CC usually has about 14 grams of protein. Most women need 1 -1.5 cups. The bran muffin in probably too refined. Did you make it with 100% stone ground whole wheat flour and no sugar? I'd substitute oatmeal or fruit here.

meal 2
chocolate shake made with skim milk

Milk is not authorized on BFL except as a not great carb. Try water and ice.

meal 3
3 oz salmon
2 whole wheat bread
1 tb ULF mayo
1 cup raw vegies

Again, bread is only "reluctantly" authorized. I'd sub. a sweet potato, brown rice, oatmeal, white potato. Good on the vegies. What's the mayo for?

meal 4
protien shake made with FF milk

See above re milk

meal 5
3 oz fish
1 cup brown rice
2 cup salad
2 tb FF dressing

Looks good.


meal6
1/2 cottage cheese
1/2 cup strawberries

See above note on cottage cheese.

Unless you weigh about 85 pounds, you need more protein..

mel

it's finally the end of this day here and i'm beat. i'm fighting yet another cold. does anyone have any idea how to avoid these things? it's the third one for me in 2 months and i'm sick of this :mad: i've never had so many colds in my entire life!!

i did feel a whole lot better this morning and i went to the gym and hit my biceps and triceps real hard. i'm so glad that i had this breakthrough this morning. i had been kind of holding back a bit on this particular workout and today i was able to just work through the shaking arms and discomfort to really get in a few 10s :D

i think that the glutamine is working ! i'm taking a lower dose right now (5g right after a workout) because i have to see how it reacts with the antidepressants i take. i had a bad headache for the first few days, but i'm okay now. my dr wants me to take it real slow with additional dosage, but he did say it should help quite a lot.

at least my back is much better today too. i think the glutamine is starting to have a positive affect on that area also. i'm still staying away from any kind of impact cardio for another few days so it's either swimming or no cardio, which is fine with me since i feel a bit weak anyway.

i hope that everyone is doing well. it's been very interesting following the nutrition discussion these past few days. it fascinates me to see what people do, what works for them, what doesn't . it's so nice that there is such a great range of differences in humanity !!

well....... off to just vegg on the sofa for the rest of the evening. i need to wake up healthy tomorrow!!

take care,

adriana

Tanya,

that's so funny that Mel got her post in there right as i was writing my daily post. she said exactly what i was going to say!!

the protein really needs to be upped to much higher portions. i upped mine to the 25g range per meal (from about 20g) and i can really feel the difference in my body !

i also have a slice or two of lite whole wheat bread once in a while, but just that...... once in a while. not every day, and certainly not twice in one day. it's too refined, any way you look at it.

do you like sweet potatoes? they are just about the most perfect form of starchy carb. and tasty too !!

is there anyway that you can eat at least one of those "shake" meals as real food? that would be so much better. if the 6 meals are too much, or really difficult, then you might think about 5 meals, and all of them being food. it's not that difficult once you get the hang of it.

but hey, i don't want to discourage you here. the opposite is true. you are headed in the right direction here Tanya!! all you need is a bit of small changes here and there and you're completely set!!

GOOD FOR YOU !

adriana

Thanks everyone. The bram muffins are made with no sugar and no all purpose flour. I read that whole wheat bread was OK. I guess I will have to change my diet more. Thanks for the info.
Tanya

Hey all...I'm still here...just really really really busy. I played hookey from school today to catch up on grading and progress reports.

I'm doing well. I really need to be better about fitting in my exercise, though.

Howdee!

Adriana - I found that I have stayed cold-free this year by washing my hands after working out. I take a towel to the gym to wipe off the machines but NEVER my face. I wear a long sleeved shirt for that. Then, when I am done I go straight to the bathroom and wash up. Nary a sniffle!

Tanya - I would take Mel's suggestions. Tighten up the nutrition and eat whole foods, ditch the shakes made w/ milk (tons of sugar in the milk), and the bread. Rice keeps well for days and is easy to make.

I have been doing well on the eating and working out fronts. Had a minor "hair coloring mishap" at a friends over the weekend. I look like Tigger! I have the yellowish-orangey-black thing going on! :hot: OMG! Not mad at her - it was the color, not the colorist. See what I get for trying to save a few pennies. My husband thinks I did it on purpose sos I can go to the real expensive guy I normally go to. :lol: So, I have been wandering around town in a baseball cap for about a week now. I called my regular guy to get an appointment and he had one for TODAY! But, then I remembered, I have that stupid diabetes ed class I have to go to. (what a crock - have I mentioned that before :s: ) His next opening is the 14th!! I better get another ball cap. I have been wearing one to the gym and BOY is it hot working out in a hat. :flame:

Hope all is well.

hey Mel, LOADS of fun reading the thread on fat burning over at L&S!

Morning guys,

Adriana: Colds are usually a sign that you are wearing yourself out. Over the past 2 years I have had one cold and I have found that most people seem to stop getting colds on BLF. I have a suggestion but you may not like it - cut back on cardio. If you are getting sick then your body is telling you to SLOW down and give it ample rest. If you are doing extra cardio then you are probably sacrificing precious rest time to do it. Just my 2 cents.

Tanya: You really have to cut the milk out. I think that adding a little to coffee here and there isn't that bad but adding a full cup to a shake is really adding on the carbs that you don't need. If you use ice try blending it for a bit longer to get it airated and frothy. It's yum!

Niffer: I am SO lucky in the hair department - I play soccer with a girl who is a hair dresser so she comes and does it for me. I only have to pay for the dye which is about $20 as she gets it wholesale from L'Oreal. She does an incredible job and cuts it at the same time - I am very lucky!!

I played soccer last night without any reserves so it was tough. I scored a goal which was cool and we won 3-1. Happy with that!

Melissa: Actually SF and FF products aren't available in Australia. I get the puddings and SF syrups imported from the US. The brand I have at the moment is Jello puddings. Are food rules are a lot more stringent over here and our variety of processed foods is low. We have loads of cheap fresh produce all the time though!

JC

Because I have to run across the street to check on my meeting! I shoulda worn tennis shoes today :lol:

Hey! I had a cold last week - thought it was just something going around - I haven't been sick in eons. Now my boss is coming down with it. Last Thursday as soon as my meeting was over and we checked into the South Beach Marriott, I was in bed and out like a light from 6 pm until 8 am the next morning...

I agree with JC on the milk. I've said this before, but DO read the article in the Articles Sticky thread called "Foods that make you look great nekkid". Oh what the heck, here's the part about milk (It's in 'the okay stuff' but read on...)

Milk and Yogurt — Milk is a two-faced monster. To some, it’s a cheap source of protein and the ultimate "weight gainer" for bony teenagers. Some old-timers even recommend drinking a gallon of whole milk per day! Suffice it to say, that would leave most of us quite fat. Much of the fat in whole milk falls in the "bad" category. Saturated fat mixed with a high sugar, high-carb food does not a healthy body make.

Also, somewhere around 10 to 20 percent of the population is lactose intolerant, meaning they can’t digest milk sugar. (There are even a few studies that show that non-whites, particularly Asians and blacks, have a much higher rate of lactose intolerance.) This can be helped some by using lactose-free milk and digestive aids. On the other hand, if you have no problems with lactose, skim milk can be a good source of protein. Still, unless you’re an extremely active teenager with the metabolism of a humming bird on ephedrine, we’d limit milk intake.

Yogurt is a better option in our opinion. It has many of the benefits of milk without most of the drawbacks. One of the really cool things about yogurt is the live active cultures it contains. Yep, we’re talking about bacteria, nice friendly bacteria that keep your digestion system running properly. (That’s why yogurt can help with both constipation and diarrhea.)

Some substances actually feed bacteria and as such, may even help you absorb all that protein you’re taking in. One in particular, called GDL, reduces bloating and gas and increases nitrogen retention. That means it’s a perfect addition to protein powders.

So I would say that if you're looking to GAIN weight (show of hands??? Don't see any!) that milk is great, otherwise I'd steer clear of it. Personally for me, when I have milk that means I gotta have something to go with it like:

* Cereal (Corn Chex usually)
* Cookies (one package of Oreos oughta do it for me)
* Little Debbie Snack Cakes
* Etc. but you better believe that none of the "etc." is on the AUTHORIZED LIST!!! :lol:

So I guess it's safe to assume that I don't have milk too often!

MY HAIR SUX RIGHT NOW!!! When I was in Miami it was PERFECT. Must have been the humidity. Now that I'm back in the Bay Area, no matter how much mousse and Aqua Net I use my hair is as limp as overcooked spaghetti (BTW also not authorized!)

Oops, just checked the time- my group is breaking pretty soon so I gotta fly outta here!!! Later chicas!

Sorry for bugging everyone on the food to eat but could someone post me an example of what they would eat in a day.
Tanya

hi everyone!

i did my LBWO today and actually tried the squats. i was really apprehensive at first since i did not want look like a gym geek and dont know what i am doing. but anyways, i did the squats with the smith machine...and i got to say, my legs are looking really good. hee hee :)...that totally made my day.

i have a hugh stomach and my legs are usually where i will lose the fat first. i have yet to see any difference in my tummy and was getting discouraged but i was really happy to see some differences in the legs.

oh, and one more thing, i blended the CC with blueberries last night and was really excited to have it today at work. but it turned into thick liquid, shake like, and was all bummed. i had to drink it from the tupperware. i guess you have to eat it right then...cant keep over night, eh?

dont worry, i made some more after work, and eat it right then....it was so yummy.

jilly

question! *raises hand*

before i ask this annoying question, let me just say that i don't have the book, ugh i must get it but i'm out of work and have been pinching pennies......ok after that digression.....my question is, do you count calories?
i've been doing different things and am getting annoyed with seeing NO scale movement....i know...bad to even look.....but still, just curious as to whether people that have had a lot of success do actually count calories or not.

i do know from reading the l&s message board that the scale should be done away with and that results come from consistancy and persistance and stillllllll i wonder if i should be having 6 meals adding up to maybe 1800 calories or so? thats a totally random guess. sorry if this question is redundant i looked and didn't find anything about it :)

Ebe: No on BFL you don't count calories! That's the beauty of it. What week are you on? What weight did you start at? Some people rarely see the scale move but they change shape and replace fat with muscle so they get smaller without seeing any scale movements. I would measure myself with the good ole pantsometer!

JC

Hi All -

C1, W2, D4 here, and all is well. I was not sore enough after my LBWO the other day, have to push up the poundage this week. Am also doing some yoga - that doesn't count for cardio, right? It's a beginner class, maybe hit 7, 8 poses in the hour. Great for stress reduction.

Eating is going well - a question for all you BFL-ers. I have this paranoia (left over from too many diets of too little food) - how soon did you know BFL was working for you? I guess because I'm not hungry at all, I have this fear that I'll finish 12 weeks and have exactly the same fat percentage!!

We chucked the scale, so truly are flying on faith here.

Took Before pics, and plan on doing update photos/measurements at 4 weeks. Could you really see a difference at four weeks on your first challenge?

BethO

I could see small changes at week 4. It is really the last 2 or 3 weeks of the challenge that seems to make the difference though. I know how excited you must be for yourself to have gotten such a solid start on your first challenge. Remember to enjoy the process and you won't be disappointed.

Thanks for the food example. That will help me. I will be working harder on my food.
Well finished my cardio today. I was very out of breath this morning. I hit my 10 this morning.
I was talking to DH and I think that he my jion me in the challenge. I hope so it will help having someone to work with.
I am hoping that ths weekend that I will get my DH to take my picture I know that it is not dy one but still at the begining of the challenge. I am sure that I will see a differnce.
Well my daughter is not feeling well and I will be taking her down to see the DR. today. She was up off and on all night. She had to sleep with us. I hate that.
Tanya

just a quick Hi to everyone.

it's good to hear that overall we're doing pretty good!!

i went to tel aviv today for a business meeting. i'm starting a new web design project for a night club and will be super busy these coming weeks.

i feel much better today (from the cold) and i think that one more night of great sleep will do the trick. JC i would also say it might be the cardio, but our entire household has had one cold after another this winter, as has have entire city and country. it's been a really bad flu and cold winter. i think also that with me getting out and about more with people at the gym that i'm just exposed much more to the bug. my kids are never sick and this winter each one has had at least one cold, if not 2 or 3!!

today was a scheduled rest day. tomorrow i'll be doing an UBWO. i'm so happy with my progress these past two weeks!! and the jeans are getting more and more loose!!

take care everyone. see you around.

adriana

I leave you girls for one evening and a morning and it takes me 1/2 hour to read all the posts.... :dizzy:

2cute -- I agree with the girls on your food menu... you could even up your fish to 4 oz... I went on fitday.com and put in 3oz of salmon and it only had 20g of protein... and get this one whole cup of strawberries only has 11g of carbs!! so you could add more if you wanted to ... but try to keep your fruits to just 2/day...

Adriana -- are you saying that your doc actually KNEW about glutamine? I'm impressed, most docs bug me so much because they have no clue sometimes, just my opinion on SOME doctors, not ALL I don't wanna generalise here... I read at L&S that glutamine is very good for the immune system too, so keep taking that glutamine ....

Jilly -- When I mix my CC I mix a 2 cup container, with 1 cup of blueberries, but I dilute in a half a cup of boiling water some raspberry lite jello and then mix it all together and it turns into a gel and it's very transportable....and totally delicious...

Niffer/Tigger -- :lol: -- sorry to hear about your hair...but I did LOL when I read it... don't knock it tho, I've heard of professionals who can do just as bad a mess....I do my g/f's hair too every few months... we usually polish off a large bottle of wine, she always likes it to...:s: ... but can she really see it that same evening?? hmmmm something to think about...:lol: And congrats on that PERFECT menu... it's right on the nose in my book...

MrsJim -- I laughed when I read your post about "etc" being, or more like NOT being on the authorized list....

ebe --- firstly.... I've said this before... THROW THE SCALE FA' FA' FA' AWAY!!! .... Go to the library to take the book out doesn't cost a cent...

I too am so terribly tempted to weigh myself these days ... but I KNOW I will be disappointed ... so I haven't ... and it's SOOOOOOOOO difficult..... I really, really, really want to weigh myself ...it is taking ALL of my willpower not too. It's actually taking me MORE willpower not to weigh myself than it is to eat clean or to workout... does that make sense??

JEC and Mel -- loved your banter about the foods.... so JEC did you fess up about which plan you're on? Or did I just miss the post.... I am also trying to cut the fruit to one/day and taken prefferably in the morning.... I have a Q for you nutrition experts...if you eat carbs on cardio days, do you eat them the day BEFORE the cardio the day before or the day OF cardio because I'm thinking that you would need it in your system BEFORE your workout...

Thanks guys for opening my eyes on the pudding... I am so totally shattered that it has so many empty carbs!!!! I didn't check and I can't believe I hadn't!!


Well I have to go... DH just came in for lunch and he usually never comes home so I will go eat with him, and it's been 3.5 hours since my last meal!! and I AM totally starved...

morning everyone,

it is so cold here. i had to wear gloves today. I know, lana, you will think that i am spoiled. the funny thing is that i am having spring allergies while its freezing outside.

Lana, thats for the tips on the CC and berries. But how much jello mix do you put in?

Beth, I weigh in every week on WW and sometime i lose and sometimes i dont. I just take it with a grain of salt. I know that I feel a lot better and i am a lot more capable at the gym, and that matters a lot more to me. also, the pants thing is working...its looser. Even after i have just washed and dried those jeans, so i know its working.

funny thing, my BF felt my arms yesterday during dinner and said "those are some cannons you got there." that made me happy that he noticed. I am just wrapping up my 4th week. I have decided to wait until the end of the challenge to measure and take pictures, i want to see a BIG difference and not get discouraged with the minor results.

i am having problems with my BM or lack there of. I am very gas-y and am thinking that maybe i am lactose intolerate with all the CC i am eating...any thoughts?

Jilly :)

I have a question about authorized foods:

In the book, bill authorizes pasta emphisiszing that you eat only your fist sized portion, yet I have heard over and over again that pasta is not authorized.

I only eat whole wheat (with extra fiber) pasta anyways but Im really confused, and kind of annoyed heh. I am trying to do this by the book and yet I keep hearing people who have done BFL say that this, that, or whatever is actually not authorized.

HEEEEEEEEEEEELP *pulling out hair*

Tidey

I put the whole packet of jello....

Hi again,

Jilly -- If you think you may not like the taste of raspberry jello, just dillute unflavored gelatine in boiling water, and you will have no other taste but your fruit and CC....

Tidey - it does say pasta... and if you eat it, it's probably not that bad for you, BUT, it's white like white bread... ick... the less processed your food is the better for you in all aspects, not just for BFL but your health in general, even if you weren't doing BFL...I guess that's why they call it "clean" eating...

Ok enough I have housework to do...

Later....

OK, I know that spot reduction is not possible, but there has GOT to be something I can do to make my gut go away! I've been OP for 4 wks. now, and I can really tell a difference everywhere else on my body. My stomach, however is staying HUGE! Seriously, I could probably fit into a smaller pants size if not for the huge roll I have! If I were a man, I think this would be called a "spare tire." The only consolation I have is that, thanks to the crunches, there is beginning to be definition to my abs. I mean, when I suck in, there are little....dips....on both sides of my stomach.

I know what y'all will say, that time will help. I just need to hear it from people so I won't feel so discouraged!!

Cheryl

Cheryl,

RELAX !!!! i've lost close to 30 pounds of fat and my stomach is still there, and most probably will be there till the very end. of course it's gotten smaller, but it's still there.

just be patient. keep looking at the *bigger* picture (sorry for that non-pun pun) and don't let one thing get you down.

i KNOW that it is a frustrating one thing, but still........

have you tried a smaller pants size? maybe you already can fit into one and you're just freaked out for nothing.

i wish i could see the abs you're talking about on my body. but i know they are under the fat and that one day i WILL see them...... so i'm not worried at all !!

take care,

adriana

Hi Cheryl -- Here goes my rendition...That is probably where you put ON the fat first? Right? SOOOO.... it will be the LAST to GOOO!!! But go it will.... Keep up the great work you are doing very well...

Adriana -- Did you take some pics of yourself before starting, or measurements? Just wondering...

I forgot to mention earlier that I am very proud of myself (patting self on back) I could not fall asleep last night last time I looked at the clock it was 11:40 or so.... SO needless to say when my alarm went off this morning I did NOT NOT NOT want to get up... but I did, I took my time getting ready... had a FULL cup of coffee before leaving the house... I was a half hour later than usual at the gym, but because I'm not working this is no big deal.... I did an awesome cardio!! and did arms... I too like to do arms the same day.... I just don't have time when I'm doing upper body, and end up doing them half heartedly... Works for me anyways.... Well my arms were so pumped when I got home, it felt really good..

I'm not sure but maybe Mrs. Jim you can help me on this... I am really noticing a difference in my muscles... I have been taking glutamine for about a week and a half... do you think that's it? or is it because of the squeaky clean eating...or both? Just wondering your thought on that, or anyone else who has any idea...


Lana...

Lana: nope I didn't fess up yet. As far as you carb question I would eat the carbs the night before so that it is broken down and in your system BEFORE you need the energy in cardio. My 2 pennies. With the muscle difference it could be a whole array of things - I wouldn't put it down specifically to glutamine though.

I am SUPER busy archiving at work today so sorry I haven't been able to write much!

Cheryl: I had fat thighs when I started back in Oct 2001 and I still have fat thighs. Some things just take patience and determination and bucket loads of work! The aim is to keep moving in the right direction! Keep your chin up mate.

Tidey: You know what? If you are getting results and eating pasta then keep eating it in my opinion. It's when you STOP getting results that you need to look at taking out processed foods etc like pasta and bread to keep your body moving. I ate bread and pasta during my very first challenge but cut it out in the second. I didn't get stella results though in my first challenge but I still had SOME results. Don't get so stressed in the details that you want to give up the whole program. There's so much information out there and so many different opinions that you really have to draw the line at what action you take. If you listened to everyone all of the time the you would be doing everything!! Concentrate on being consistant not PERFECT.

JC

Oh Lana! I forgot don't sweat the puddings so much - what I do is try and eat as clean and natural as possible all day and then let myself eat one processed meal during the day. You can still enjoy them just don't eat them at every meal!!

JC

JEC.... Thanks for the input, it's greatly appreciated...

I can't stay gotta go...

Later all...

i'm just having my third meal here at the computer, taking a breather before going into the kitchen to cook food for the weekend. i don't cook on Shabbat (saturday) so it all has to be done by late friday afternoon.

i had a great UBWO this morning. i'm right at the end of 4 weeks of Dave Draper's All-Time Favorite workout (only one leg wo left tomorrow) and i can see AND feel a great difference in my strength, clothes, weight, fat, etc. :strong:

WHOOOO HHOOOOO !!

the second four week block will be Dave Draper's 6-Day Fat Burner........ looks quite intense :dizzy: it has 20 minutes of INTENSE cardio every single day ! but i will have to cut out my spinning for the 4 weeks (that's okay because i'm suddenly really busy with work).

my food has been wonderful for these four weeks ! i did really good in C1, but on this C2 i've taken it up a notch and i can feel a great difference. i've concentrated quite a bit on that 40/40/20 macronutrient balance and it's what works the best for me. when i up my carbs more than say 45% i get a *sweet tooth* effect that i just don't like. i really am carb sensitive.

Lana - i didn't take pictures nor measurements. i'm just going by my clothes, my increasing strength and the scale. i will most likely take a picture at the end of C2 and the beginning of C3 though - i'm sure the progress will be a bit slower in C3 and i'll need the graphical assurance that things are going good :D

oh, i did take my upper arm measurement and to date i've lost 4.75 centimeters, or just about 2 inches (from each arm). i'm happy about that!

well......... i'm off to cook for this crowd.

take care everyone,

adriana

Even though I'm back up-to-speed computer-wise, I haven't had much time to post because of a big case I'm working on. I hope my schedule lightens up little. . .

I've had a good week with my food and work-outs -- I need some suggestions, though. I like to listen to music when I do my 20 minute cardio; I've found that I work out more intensely when the music is really hoppin'. But, I'm sooo tired of the CD selection I have, and lately, whenever I've tried something new, it's too slow of a beat. So, what do you listen to? I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions.

Regarding the protein shakes -- MPRs or MRPs -- I've found that I need to dilute them more then recommended on the package (add more water) for them to taste good to me. This has made a total difference in how I like the powders.

Also, I've become totally addicted to the whipped sweetened CC and heated apple mixture. This tastes wonderful and satisfies my sweet tooth. Now if I could find something that tastes like potato chips . . .

Hope everyone has a great weekend . . . Mox

Mox ~ that is my dream - to find something that tastes like tato chips. I LUVZ me some chips! Jeez, I hadn't thought about them in so long. Thanks. :s: :lol:

Sounds like everyone is doing quite well. I can hardly keep up with all the posts.

Tanya, how's the menu coming along? Do you need any more suggestions? I'd be happy to help.

JC~gurl, did ya GO to the dr yet?! (Tapping foot)

Lana~for the first few weeks of working out in the early AM - I had coffee on the way to the gym every stinkin day! :lol: I feel your pain. I am patting you on the back too. Good job on the workout.

Update on the hair problem. I went to see my regular guy. But, alas I forgot to tell him I wanted it a little darker and all the orange pulled out. So, now I look like Marilyn Monroe. Crap. I look in the mirror and all I see is a trashy blonde straight from the 'wrong side of the tracks.' :lol: However, my husband said "Gee honey, I've never been more attracted to you." I always joke with him about his penchant for 'trashy' women!

Going to the gym in a few - doing UBWO today.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Niffer : Post a pic in the play space at l&S, would love to see the Marilyn look!

Mox- Hi! glad to see you're doing ok. Hope the case turns out well for you.

Adriana- Which book is the DD 6 day fat burner in? I'm getting a bit bored with my workouts, maybe time to try somebody elses ideas for a while.

Lana- I didn't really notice any difference in my muscles except that they weren't as sore for as long when I started taking glutamine. I think it's your hard work and good eating paying off. Give yourself some credit, girl!

This week my eating has been the pits. Just can't seem to hold it together anymore. Everyone in the house has been sick including me. I must be the only person in the world who wants to eat non-stop when I'm sick- everyone else talks about how they can't face food, but that's when I start going for all the crap. OK- will eat clean and drink my water for the rest of the day. At least I did my workout AND shovelled a lot of snow- but my pants are still tight. :(

gotta go,
mel

oy Mel............ i'm really sorry to hear about the illness. hey, i also love to eat crap when i'm sick, but i haven't done it these past few illnesses because i'm so afraid of taking some steps back!!

anyway, i got the Draper workout from his website under the weight training category. its really difficult for me to get those kinds of books here because i have to order them from out of the country then pay too much customs taxes on them. it's just not worth it in the long run. i try to read as much as possible online.

good luck with shaking that cold asap. feel better soon.

see ya,

adriana

That seems to be the story of my life right now!!! whew!

Mox - I gotta tell ya I LOVE LOVE LOVE my MP3 Player! Beats my old Discman any day of the week. No skipping and it's itty bitty...I don't belong to any of those file-sharing sites though - I tried joining one (I think it was Mozilla or something like that) and was innunated with popup ads and spam. Plus I couldn't get any songs I wanted! What I do now is buy stuff from half.com or Rasputin Records (that's a new-and-used CD/DVD/Video store in the Bay Area) and then save the tracks on my hard drive right off the bat. Anytime I get tired of the stuff I'm listening to, I just delete and download more - it only takes a few seconds. I listen to a lot of 'old fart' :lol: music - here's some of what's in my player right now:

Jackson Five: I want you back/The Love you Save/Mama's Pearl
Squeeze: Annie Get Your Gun
No Doubt: Hey Baby
Rolling Stones: Shattered/Respectable/All Down the Line
Tower of Power: What is Hip?
The Clash: Spanish Bombs/Train in Vain
Paul Simon: Late in the Evening/Kodachrome/Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard
Edison Lighthouse: Love Grows where my Rosemary Goes
Shree Dove: Daddy's Got a New Kind of Style (okay, I put that on because Jim plays bass on that track - nice to warm up to)
Van Halen: Everybody Wants Some!!!
Montrose: Bad Motor Scooter

See what I mean? Old fart stuff for sure :)

Niff: Hey I had a 'coloring issue' too last month!! My wonderful hairstylist had just gotten his coloring certificate and was dying to do my highlights and I let him. The next week I had my hair cut and he totally apologized for the 'ashiness' and fixed it himself (free of course). I love Steven to death but...don't think he's gonna do my highlights for awhile...hey as far as potato chips are concerned - that's what FREE DAY is for IMO!!! Woo hoo!

Mel sweetie - you take care of yourself. You got my PM, right?

Got a ton of stuff more to do and today's my last day at work for a week...take care y'all!

Hey,

Week 2 is almost complete!!!! I feel great, no change on the pants-o-meter, but I feel great! Did a good cardio today and let me tell you it was much harder after my 12 hour midnight shift last night. Got into bed about 8am and woke up at 2:30 to hit the gym and do my 20MAS before gearing up for another 12 hour shift tonight. Hopefully I won't burn out on this 4 day stretch of work. My rest day is on Sunday so that will help. I did get 5 meals in yesterday and they were all clean.

When should I start seeing some progress? Week 4 or so? I mean I feel good, I'd just like to SEE some difference. I'm not really hung up on the scales, but I would like for my jeans to get loose.

I tried the chicken tortilla soup from the recipe thread and it was awesome. My husband and 3 year old loved it. I added a can of Rotels and it made it quite spicy. I also made the chicken breasts in the broiler pan with the foil and they turned out really tasty. MrsJim's Jambalaya is a favorite too. I'd love to see some new recipes to try.

MrsJim- I think I read on one of your other posts that you save sushi for your free day. I was wondering if sushi needed to wait for the free day since it's made with the white rice. I've really been wanting some lately!!

Have a good weekend and I'll let you all know how I survive my first 4 day work rotation on the program.

Melissa

Wow, that was alot of reading...

I'm just back from vacation in Florida and did great on the WOs, not as great on the eating. However, this is probably the first vacation where I didn't GAIN weight so that makes me happy:)

Just as I got to Florida, I got the whole cold/flu thing that is going around. I'm not one to get sick very often either, but this one has been a real doozy. Just trying to take it easy and start C1W3 strong on Monday.

-- Valerie

hi everyone,

i just got some triple flex with 750 mg of glucosamine, 600 chondroitin, and 250 mg MSM per pill. they suggested 2 pills per day. do you think i really need all that much?

have a great weekend,
jilly

Jiggly,

Do you have joint paint?

Just a quick note before I toddle off to bed.

I just returned from babysitting at sister's house - her twin (also my sister :lol: ) came to town on a surprise visit (thanks to Southwest Airlines' $29 fare from Orange County to Oakland Airport!) and of course those two wanted to go out and be all twinny. They are two peas in a pod and always have been! Just gorgeous - they were cheerleaders in school and always popular. ANYway VALERIE that is the same yukko bug I got in Miami I betcha. That really laid me down flat! Now my boss has it. Actually a lot of people I know have it now - it's kind of reminding me of "the Stand" you know the book by Stephen King?

WOW I have to make that Jambalaya again soon. What I tend to do is make stuff so often that Jim says enough already!!! But it has been awhile though...as for sushi - we are lucky enough to have a Brown Rice Sushi place here in the Bay Area. Unfortunately it's in Palo Alto, not terribly far except the traffic is unbearable these days going south on 101 - the part going through Belmont/San Carlos is known as the Oracle Mile since it goes past their HQ's and it is SLOW GOING. We have a fabulous sushi bar called Sushi Sam's here in San Mateo - it's just a little hole in the wall but they have great sushi (okay, I know what I'M eating this Sunday...yummers!)

It's after 10:00 and I'm starting to turn into a punkin...zzzz

Hi ladies! Busy board...I can barely keep up!

I got my first "Have you lost weight?" yesterday. :D My team teacher said she'd noticed. I'm noticing, too...I may have to buy smaller pants here soon! (A double edged sword, considering I bought $240 worth of clothes in November on delayed charge..they just hit the card on the 1st!)

hi everyone,

lana:: i do have some pain in my knees from running. i thought i pills couldnt hurt...what do you think?

Mrs.Jim: where is the little place you in palo alto? its in my neighborhood...would love to go sometimes. i have heard of sushi sam's but never been. i love this place in downtown san mateo...forgot the name. and there is this other place, bubble tea shop called Q cup with great chicken nuggets....of course on free days only....that's my treat for tomorrow.

jennelle:: i am so jealous...i have not gotten one of those comments yet. i know how you feel about having spend the money on clothes already. i have decided that i am just going to wait until the end of my second challenge to shop....that's 21 weeks from now. my sister and i are miles away and we both struggle with weight. so when we see each other, and if she loses weight she give me her "fat" clothes and i would do the same...i think we have the same pants going back an forth 3 or 4 times. and this time i told her that when she comes and visit in June that she shouldnt bother bring her clothes, i've got plenty for her....just to get her motivated....a little sibling rivalry....hee hee

i just weighed in today at WW and i am down 9.1 lbs total in 4 weeks. so, i am really excited about it...and also the muscles that i am gaining. i am doing great on my running too...i am so excited!!!!

jilly

Hi All -

Just finished Week 2 - and all is well. Tried some of the BFL recipes - stir fry, banana bread, sesame baked chicken - all turned out wonderful, thanks!

Jeans-o-meter feels a little looser - had my painting jeans on today to finish a bedroom, and they felt definitely more comfortable than the last time we painted! (Pre-C1)

A question: neither DH or myself are sore after UB/LB workouts - definitely hitting 10's (shaking arms, losing good form on last rep, pumping up the weight after almost every WO). I am under the impression we SHOULD be sore 24/48 hours after WO's- anyone else have this experience? We're not taking glutamine, but are using protein powders, and we have both been doing weights for a while now (about 10 years). Does that have anything to do with it?

Enjoyed free day this weekend - wasn't sick, could actually taste. Found myself looking forward to starting week 3, though - didn't enjoy the free food as much, felt like I wasn't doing my body much good somehow. May go down to one free meal per week.

Have a great week everyone!

BethO

good to see you all on the board today !

Beth - that's great about you and DH completing week 2! i wouldn't worry too much if your not sore, especially since you've been working with weights for so many years. each person is different and i don't think soreness in and of itself is an iron-clad indication of a good workout.

okay then....... i started a new 4-week Dave Draper program today. i'm doing two days on, one day off. the workouts are:

day 1: legs, abs & 20MAS
day 2: upper body, abs & 20MAS
day 3: rest
start all over again

the legs workout + abs + 20MAS today went FABULOUSLY !! it was completely different for me from a BFL legs workout and it felt kind of strange not doing so many sets. but the weights were high and the workout was intense.

can't wait till tomorrow :D

i got a few comments today along the lines of "you've lost more weight" :smug:

life is good

take care,

adriana

Hello Girls :wave:

I'm having a pretty good weekend. D dragged me to go see DarknessFalls a scary movie, because they needed adult accompaniment, so in turn, Mrs. Chicken dragged Mr. Chicken to see it too.... :s:

Adriana: It must feel really good to get some compliments after working so hard, good for you girl!! I think I will do like you, not have a free day...I HATE free days!! They end up a FD and a half or more...my so called "free day" this week lasted from Friday noon with pizza and wine, then popcorn on Friday nite at the show, Saturday was ok, but drank wine with hubby on Saturday night :mad: ... so needless to say I'm discusted with myself... and this is probably why I see very little progress.... :nono: So no more, because I want to see progress..... Adriana are you feeling any difference with the Glutamine?

BethO: I have been doing weights for 18 years now... with barely any break except for my pregnancies I worked out till only 1 week before having my kids, and back at the gym 3 weeks after, and a carpal tunnel operation, and I stopped for only 2 weeks for that.... So having said this :lol: I STILL get soreness.... Specially after a leg workout like I had this morning with my Sunday WO partner, OMG!! :spin: OMG!! I will be so sore tomorrow... I took some Glutamine as soon as I walked in the door.... and will be taking some tonite again too just in case :lol: .... Maybe you should vary your workout too along with the heavier weight... You know what works for me is to visualise my muscle working when I am doing the exercise really pinpoint where you want the muscle you are working to do (altho I have no idea what in reality it would look like) but this seems to help me alot... Just some thoughts and suggestions for you and hubby, but by the sounds of it you are doing very well....

Jilly: I actually do take Glucosamine not that I have joint pain, YET, but it's for prevention because my dad just had a hip replacement, and I don't wanna do that later in life!! I actually started to take it when hubby was complaining about sore knees because in his work he is up and down on his knees alot and had stated to wear a brace to bed... GAWD I hated that because it was like admitting that we are getting older.... Anyways, he no longer has sore knees at all since taking the Glucosamine and he had had the knee problems on and off for several years...

Well I'm off to another meal.... Don't quite know what I'll have yet...

Later all...

Phew I get tired just trying to keep up with everyone!!

It's Monday here and I had a great weekend with loads of rest. I have a great back & bis workout this morning and even added a compound movement at the end which was fun and HARD.

Niffer: it's still in my diary I just keep changing the date..... This week I PROMISE!!

I take glucosamine when I need it (knee pain) in the summer and all the time in winter (due to soccer). I actually take 5gms so I that 750 mgs isn't much at all BUT I guess it depends on how much pain you are experiencing.....

I am not sure what happened on the other thread but I wasn't trying to offend anyone at all. Oh well......

OK I HAVE to get started at work :lol: .... Back later!

JC

Jilly- I take 1000 milligrams of glucosamine twice a day. Before I started taing it, I couldn't walk downstairs without pain, let alone run or even do the recumbent bike. It took a bout a week, but now I am mostly pain free. Considering what I've done to my knees over my life, it is a miracle as far as I'm concerned. Be careful if you have a seafood allergy tho- the first supplement I took was Sundown Glucosamine-Chondroiton. I didn't know I had an allergy to the chondroiton part (which is made from ground crab shells) until I woke up one morning with lips, eye-lids and throat swollen HUGE. I spent the day in the ER hooked to IV benedryl. Very relaxing.

JC- Who did you offend? I think I missed something.

mel

Mel: I think that it has all blown over now I missed it myself.....

JC

MEL! Thanks! I cannot eat seafood either. And I was going to start taking that stuff. Glad I popped on the site this morn! wheeew! But, the benedryl drip sounds interesting.... Reminds me of a story I read in the paper years ago. Seems this babysitter had a little too much to do during the day with all those kids running around her house. So, she lined 'em up after the last one was dropped off and fed them all high doses of benedryl!! They were all half comatose for the whole day and just laid around and did nothing - therefore neither did she. What a B**CH. Well, now she's convict!

I am off to the gym after I work a few hours and then I think I'll do laundry (OH JOY!)

Susie