Living Maintenance - Maintainers weekly chat October 3 - October 9

10-03-2011, 05:25 AM
My to-do list today includes dealing with four different contractors working simultaneously - all trying to finish up so they can get paid. Finishing up is, of course, the good news. Getting paid reminds me that having folks do work costs money, LOL.

My goal for the week is to watch out for off-plan snacks trying to sneak into my life.

10-03-2011, 08:45 AM
Good morning!

I'm at work bright and early, catching up on the work that went undone while I was at the wedding in Colorado this weekend. Speaking of . . .

Here's a picture of the bride and me (I was the maid of honor). I felt GREAT and got lots of compliments. This wedding was one of the motivating factors in the beginning of my weight loss journey in January '10, and it was so gratifying to show up and not be the "fat bridesmaid," which is something I've already been 6 other times in my life. :)

I've blacked out my friend's face (my computer skills are rather basic, so I know that looks a little weird) but I'm OK with mine showing.

Have a good Monday, all. I'm going to go try and crawl out from all this paperwork.

10-03-2011, 09:26 AM
Wow ! You look great ! Congratulations !

10-03-2011, 09:41 AM
Wow ! You look great ! Congratulations !


10-03-2011, 10:29 AM
Beautiful, Jen!

My plans for the week include stopping by the store to buy an onion. Why is it I have a list, a plan for meals for the week, and I spend over $200 at the grocery store and end up running out of onions two days later? Perhaps because onions were not on the list? Or I underestimated how many I'd need. In any case I have to stop and buy onions. I made a couple really delicious meals this weekend. Saturday was a spinach and ricotta pie which I served with fresh tomatoes. Last night I made homemade pasta sauce served over julienned zucchini and homemade foccacia. Both vegetarian (but not vegan). Tonight I was going to do a meatless chili mac casserole, but in order to do that, I need the darn onion.

Other than that I have no specific plans. I know what I should plan, but that's a different story.

Kale question: I'm going to roast some, should I cut it into smaller pieces first?

10-03-2011, 11:24 AM
Oooh, look at your teeny-tiny waist, Jen. Also, someone did a great job of shaping your eyebrows -- or you've a deft hand with tweezers, or maybe you're just one of those fortunate people whose eyebrows naturally grow in a good shape.

Allison, I am helpless without onions, and completely paralyzed if I'm also missing garlic. This probably says something for the aromas in my living space, and what my breath is like, but I don't know how you got through cooking that many dishes before needing an onion. Nearly everything that I cook starts with me sauteeing an onion, then throwing in some garlic.

As for kale, I cut it into bite-sized pieces or chiffonade it into ribbons when I use it. Basically I use it in three ways: 1) roasted; 2) simmered slowly for a long time in chicken broth, with onions & just a small piece of ham scrap that I've frozen from the last time I had ham, or some turkey bacon; 3) tossed raw in a salad, using sesame oil and a bit of rice vinegar, in a recipe that I got here from one of Amanda's recent posts.

As for me, I'm sore-legged but fighting to be optimistic. I got up at 4 AM to make a spin class about half-hour away from here, at the new gym I joined. This gym is great but inconveniently located. This is my first spin class in over a month. (I used to take four classes a week.) The teacher was one of those lean tan leathery older women with a very short haircut who look nearly indestructible. (At some point, everyone has had a gym teacher who looked like this.) She had just run a marathon in hard rain the day before. After spin, she got right on a treadmill. Her spin class has no sprints, no jumps, no Britney Spears songs, no Usher singing about his girl's booty. No, it's a 45-minute ride with seriously heavy resistance on the peddles which barely ever lets up.


My first introduction to that style of spin class. I didn't know there were different schools & theories of spin, but it makes sense that there would be, as all of life seems to be like that.

She told me I did awesome, but wants me to sit a little more forward, not try to go fast (ever) & add resistance if I bounce at all.

I had no idea being back in a spin class would make me happy, like that was enough of a present for today.

traveling michele
10-03-2011, 11:26 AM
Wow Jen! You look phenomenal! Hope you had an amazing time.

Dh came home Saturday and leaves today....sigh.... he returns late Saturday night (Sunday morning really) and will get to see my failing uncle in Rhode Island (my last living relative) before returning. I am glad he can make a side visit from his trip.

My dd is off this morning to drive to Seattle to see the specialist for her Tourette's. First on her agenda when she gets there is to meet with the service dog organization she contacted. I have such mixed feelings about her getting a service dog but we'll just wait and see what happens. She feels so positively about it, but I have no idea how she (or we) will afford the fees.

Another busy week at work. Book fair is next week so I set up this Friday and have teacher previews. Always fun but exhausting for me.

Not sure what I'm doing for meals or planning this week but I need to do something. My weight was very low on Saturday (I think the lowest it has ever been) so I allowed some indulgences on Saturday and my weight is now up 4 pounds. So easy to put the weight back on!

Happy Monday all!

Shannon in ATL
10-03-2011, 01:14 PM
Good morning - I dropped out last week, my grandmother wound up in the hospital with chest pains and ended up having a procedure last Thursday.

Hoping this week gets back to normal.

10-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Hi all, I'm still in Colorado till Saturday and today I'm taking the day off from visiting all my artist friends out here and seeing their studios and gallery exhibitions. I've just overloaded myself visually and need some down time. In fact, I haven't even gotten out of bed yet except to get the laptop and I've been up since 8 am. Just lounging, doing my journal writing, working on my magazine's articles, doing email, and facebook, listening to NPR podcasts.

When I do finally get up, I'm going to do some resistance band work. Yesterday, I did an hour and a half yoga class with my sister and decided that yoga is just not for me. I wasn't sore or felt the stretches that the instructor was talking about. Plus there was just too much time at the end just lying there breathing. I guess it's relaxing for some people, but if they didn't have artwork on the ceiling for me to look at, I would have been really bored.

Tomorrow, one of my artist friends is taking me over to Red Rocks Park in Morrison, CO to see the natural ampitheather and the special 11 foot high by 8 foot wide commission art piece she made for them. Then we'll go to lunch at a Medditerian restaurant in Golden. I know I'll be able to eat hummas and pita and roasted vegetables.

Still having trouble at night with attitude sickness. Getting wicked headaches that medicine isn't taking care of. Still having a little trouble with acid reflux even though I really have been sticking to the restricted diet. I'm fine when I wake up, but after I start eating during the day, it comes on. So I'm back on the Nexium which usually upsets my stomach.

I'm really missing my dh and cat and won't see them until Sunday.

10-03-2011, 03:46 PM
Hi guys!

Jen, you look great!

Saef, interesting about the spin class. I have found the same thing with pilates -- like there is yoga-esque pilates, and then fitness pilates.

:hug: to those with ailing relatives.

DH ran a 5k on Saturday and not only set a PR by over a minute faster than his previous PR, but won 3rd place in his age group! He finished in 22:08. I think he was motivated to run faster because he bought a pair of short shorts (you know those running shorts that are so short that only hardcore male runners are willing to wear them?) and wanted to prove himself worthy of them. And it was freezing outside. :lol:

I had a procedure done this morning to drain the ganglion cyst in my left wrist. They tried to aspirate some of the fluid but it was too thick (as the doctor had told me would probably happen). So instead he poked about 20 holes in the cyst and then squished it, and I am supposed to keep squishing it all day to help the fluid come out. He was basically like, wherever it hurts to squish, that is where you need to do it. I'm a little disappointed because for some reason I figure that as soon as it had burst, I would be able to put pressure on that hand again, but not yet. The whole reason I had this done is that I thought the cyst was the reason I could not put pressure on my hand. Like, if I was on my hands and knees, I couldn't put any weight on my left hand without making it into a fist instead. I think it may be slightly better now but hopefully when the fluid reabsorbs it will feel better.

In other news, I am no longer on the gluten free diet. Then two nights ago I woke up in the middle of the night feeling like my legs from the knees down were overheated, overstuffed sausages. My weight has been going up steadily the past couple days (undoing all the work I did the past two weeks) and I think I am retaining a massive amount of fluid in my legs, even though the doctor said he didn't really feel it. I got a blister on my toe from them feeling really squeezed in my shoes which I wear every day, so I think that is evidence that my feet were swollen. We're going to try playing with my meds a little bit. I don't think it's the gluten necessarily because I had a couple days during the past month where I ate something with gluten and felt fine. Could just be overindulging Saturday night?

10-03-2011, 04:21 PM
Jen, you look amaaaaazzzzzziiiiinnnnnngggg!
Congrats to Mr Clippy on his PR!
Clv, have fun in Golden. My heart is in Golden, you know.....
How's your grandmother, Shannon?
:wave: Saef, EZ, Bill, et al!

10-03-2011, 04:41 PM
Hi all! Am home briefly to feed my own pets and clean up. New puppy (Havanese) started today - weighs about 2 lbs - scary :eek: small!

My body apparently doesn't like organic peanut butter - TMI to go any further.

Good week all - I won't be near my computer again until Saturday!

Dagmar :tired:

10-04-2011, 08:13 AM
Yesterday, I did an hour and a half yoga class with my sister and decided that yoga is just not for me. I wasn't sore or felt the stretches that the instructor was talking about. Plus there was just too much time at the end just lying there breathing. I guess it's relaxing for some people, but if they didn't have artwork on the ceiling for me to look at, I would have been really bored.

I like your being honest about this. I've sometimes thought that not enough people admit that they don't really care for yoga or that they believe it's overrated. Yoga is one of the sacred cows of our time & often it feels like one is not allowed to criticize yoga publicly, anymore than one is allowed to dislike puppies & kittens.

That being said, for me, just now, yoga is a much-needed life line.

This because I am, in general, a driven person, full of self-reproach when I am not actively working on something or following a to-do list. When I am in yoga class, my "to do" is just to follow the sequence of movements, to think only of what my body is doing at that very moment. Particularly during the relaxation phase at the end. It's the only time (other than lying down to sleep) when I tacitly give myself permission to relax & think of nothing & to stop my mind from chattering at me.

Also lately I am always feeling tense, poised for flight or self-defense, particularly in the morning, when two consecutive cups of coffee leave me shaky and almost visibly vibrating. Anything physical focuses me & gives me some release from being continuously on edge.

The other thing is, although I'm in the gym every day, I tend to live from the neck up, and not think much about the rest of my body. It sort of evaporates. (It's why I was able to live with being dangerously obese for years. Because I pretty much forgot about my body for extended periods of time, or didn't see it as it was, or didn't care much about it.) With yoga, I'm asked to focus on carrying out certain movements and I am thinking about different body parts or zones, and how they're feeling, and what their range of motion is. (For instance, I never knew how tight my hips and calves were till I found out which yoga poses really challenged me. This also confirmed how unsteady my balance is, and that it is a matter of mind as much as body.) So during yoga practice, my body gradually comes into focus for me, rather than being blurry & dissipated or forgotten about, as it is during the rest of my day.

What I mean is, yoga treats certain disorders of the mind & soul with which I am afflicted. Does this make sense to you? I did want to explain what I see in it, but as I said, I can understand why someone without my issues would be bored by it, or even annoyed by some of the platitudes that surround it.

10-04-2011, 08:28 AM
I had a procedure done this morning to drain the ganglion cyst in my left wrist. They tried to aspirate some of the fluid but it was too thick (as the doctor had told me would probably happen). So instead he poked about 20 holes in the cyst and then squished it, and I am supposed to keep squishing it all day to help the fluid come out. He was basically like, wherever it hurts to squish, that is where you need to do it.

Yuck, Jessica. Just, yuck.

But you know, my inner 10-year-old boy totally "gets" this, because it's gotta be somehow like squeezing a great big pimple, or spitting out the phlegm: There's the relief of getting out the unneeded "poisonous" gunk.

Can I also say how envious I am of your husband's running time? Was it P90X that did it?

I'm signed up for another 5K this weekend, at an Apple Festival in a nearby country town. I hope it's one of those sunny, crystalline October days in the Northeast that get depicted on calendar pages for October. I'm babying my feet this week in anticipation of this event, which I look forward to very much, because the course is likely to be pretty, running past orchards and pumpkin fields.

I drive past a pumpkin field on the way to yoga class three times a week. The pumpkins seem to be inflating a little more each day, getting even ruddier, though I'm sure it's just from the foilage surrounding them dying back a little, as we've had frequent rains & some rather crisp evenings down in the 40s lately.

10-04-2011, 09:50 AM
Although I've never taken a yoga class, I do know there are different types of yoga, some being more "intense" and others more sedate (into relaxation). Like Jessica said about pilates classes all differing. The only classes I've ever taken were cardio classes. I'd like to try Zumba some day, but I'm so uncoordinated and can't follow along very well!

DH flew to Yakima today to see about a house we did there. I guess the homeowner doesn't like the weatherstripping on one door so he's holding $25,000 final payment from us (for what is probably less than a $200 fix). Ugh. Why is it that the ultra rich can get away with stuff like that?

10-04-2011, 09:51 AM
LOL Saef, I guess it is pretty gross, maybe I should have put a TMI warning! It doesn't look as gross as it sounds, because the fluid from the cyst doesn't come out of my skin or anything. It comes out under the skin and gets reabsorbed by the body. A ganglion cyst is basically where some joint lubricating fluid comes out of your joint and forms a little pocket. Like a bubble of joint filler that's just outside the joint. Long term they are totally harmless, but depending where they are located they can put pressure on the joint or nerves and be uncomfortable.

In any case it's still sore today, and I still can't put weight on that hand, but hopefully it will get better. At least my wrist looks normal now when I bend it -- before it had a big lump on it.

10-04-2011, 09:53 AM
Oh, and speaking of yoga classes, I have also seen a major difference in different types of yoga. I enjoy most yoga classes, but once I took a kundalini yoga class and it was just not for me at all. It involved a lot of talk of focusing on your third eye and building a bubble of peace and love around yourself. I'm all for relaxation, but if they start getting all spiritual it's a bit much for me. Also, in that class, the relaxation at the end of class lasted about 30 minutes and I nearly fell asleep. :lol:

10-04-2011, 10:34 AM
Kundalini--that's the one my MIL talks about having taken. She said they're really into relaxation. Bikram, on the other hand, sounds much more intense (and hot!).

10-04-2011, 11:05 AM
Thanks for all the kind words, everyone! It was pretty funny - the other bridesmaids were (very tall and fit!) teenagers, and one of them caught a peek at the pair of Spanx I was wearing under my dress. She asked me what they were and I replied, "A miracle you don't need yet." :)

saef - I had my eyebrows waxed a couple of days before I headed out to CO. Because I'm blond, I tend to let them go too long between waxings just because I don't have a unibrow, then when I get them done I'm always amazed by how much they open up my face.

Jessica - I had a cyst once, too, that I was told I need to push and squish and drain. YUCK! It hurt like crazy and was gross. I'm so sorry you're going through that.

I've never attempted yoga before, but am really interested in trying it. Does anyone have a suggestion for what kind to try first, or where to do it (I'm not part of a gym at the moment). I suppose I'm interested in some stretching, some strength, and some stress relief.

I've been waiting until October and a cold snap to make some pumpkin bread, and now that both are here I can't find any canned pumpkin on the shelves! Argh!

Have a good day everyone!

10-04-2011, 11:05 AM
Jessica, I have had 3 ganglions on the same wrist, same spot, first two times he cut them out, last time it came back he sent me to a specialist and he said my wrist hadn't healed from the first two times and he didn't want to try cutting it out again. He simply drew it out with a needle and it never came back and that was years ago.

Allison, some people make their way through life by suing others for minor problems. When I fell on the city sidewalk this summer requiring 9 stitches, my neighbor tried to convince me to sue the city. What for ? Loss of wages? I'm retired, Medical expenses ? $50 for Emergency room, $30 to remove stitches and $130 for dentist to fix broken tooth. Hardly seems worth hiring a lawyer for but I suppose some ambulance chaser could inflate that to $100,000.

traveling michele
10-04-2011, 11:41 AM
Allison-- good luck to your dh in getting the remainder of your payment.

Yoga-- I was never a yogi before. I had taken one or two regular yoga classes over the years and was never too impressed. I kept hearing about what a great workout Bikram Yoga was so when I saw a deal nearby to try it for a month, I gave it a go. That was about 6 months ago and I love it. It is hard, relaxing, hard, enjoyable, hard.... did I mention hard? I have much greater flexibility since starting, my balance is improved-- though still not great, and most days I feel more relaxed and balanced. The spirituality types of yoga wouldn't be my cup of tea either.

If you've never tried Zumba, try it! It is fun! I haven't done it much and I always feel like an uncoordinated fool when I try it, but I always have fun.

It started raining and getting cooler here. I don't think Dewey ever remembers seeing rain in his short life. He took one look outside yesterday and burrowed under every blanket he could find.....shivering.... Looks like I need to find him a sweater ASAP. He is not thrilled with going outside to potty but I told him it was a battle of wills and I would win. However, I finally gave up last night and he held it until this morning!

My dd made it safely to Seattle yesterday and met with the organization about a service dog. She wants to move forward with it, and I'm all for it, but I have no idea how she/we can afford it. She thinks she can get a loan, but she will already have student loans when she graduates to pay back and she will be on a teacher's salary. This morning she sees the specialist to see what he has to offer, then she'll drive back to Spokane. My heart breaks to see her so affected by her Tourette's. I'm thinking that my worrying about her is what is causing my severe neck pain. If I had time, I would see a chiropractor but between dh being gone and my two jobs, I have no idea when I would go.

Shannon in ATL
10-04-2011, 12:01 PM
I had a cyst at the base of my thumb a few years ago, same kind of thing with fluid leaking out around the sheath of the tendon. It went away on its own. I'm pretty sure I have one now on the back of my ankle - it does put some pressure on the nerve there and can hurt a little when my foot gets stiff.

Bargoo - people bring suits against us all the time for minor things that aren't caused by any problem with our building or facilities. I can't tell you how many people stumble over their own feet and then try to come at us for money.

Allison - that is annoying about the weather stripping.

Jen - there is a community center your school that does some yoga classes with good reviews. I don't know much about type - I don't do well with the slow ones with lots of breathing and third eye stuff either. I tend to do the power yoga podcasts, but I did take classes a few years ago to get the form down first.

Saef - I'm glad that the yoga and spin classes are giving you some peace.

My grandmother is doing well - she got up and went to church last night for a revival and being around people seems to have done her a world of good. I'm tired today, but working on shaking off the fuzzy head.

:wave: to everyone!

Shannon in ATL
10-04-2011, 12:03 PM
Michele - I was thinking about your daughter this morning, a veteran with a service dog was in line next to me at the bank. I know that they are expensive, can DD qualify for a loan that will cover it? How does a service animal help with Tourette's? I'm sorry that you are carrying so much stress over this - try to find some time to take care of yourself, too.

10-04-2011, 12:15 PM
I recently got the statement for my overnight stay in the hospital to check out chest pain. Almost $9,000. :fr:

This is why I have health insurance. I do have a high deductible, so I'll have to pay $3,000 of that. But, that I can manage...


10-04-2011, 12:27 PM
Morning all,

My gym was offering a new cardio/sculpting class taught by an instructor new to town, supposed to be a serious cardio burn. Yesterday was supposed to be the first class, and I got a call from the gym saying the instructor had decided not to do the class at all bc she had too many other commitments. I mentioned it to BF and bc I live in such a small town, of course he knew this couple, said they had flaked out on several other commitments they'd made since moving here about two months ago. I was ridiculously disappointed. My diet has been much better in the past few months but I'm stuck in an exercise rut. I was really looking forward to having someone else yell at me to move faster, bc while I'm very active I've fallen out of intense exercise (bc well, I hate it). I've been an excellent maintainer lately - even steven on the scale and balancing out treats with healthy eats - but not a very good loser.

Ok, well, that fell through. I need to come up with another plan to up intensity - anything that makes me drip sweat instead of lightly perspire! And I don't (can't) increase exercise time. I know I need to work out smarter, not longer. I've jogged a few times with Emma since the weather's turned, will continue doing that and increase endurance. The stairmaster at the gym is good. And though my diet's been better, I pulled out a photocopied food journal page this AM and am logging my food intake, which I haven't done in a while. I'm going to schedule workouts in my journal, and also continue with my weekly yoga class that I'm enjoying. Sleep has been slipping the last few weeks due to allergy issues, and I need to get a little more.

I took a yoga class a few years ago and though it definitely stretched my muscles, I couldn't turn my mind chatter off (a lot like what Saef described hers to be). The teacher would say things like "this headstand will help open your calcium channels" and being the biology nerd I am, I would get annoyed and think about the actual biological process of opening calcium channels, and the moment would be lost on me. I like the one I'm taking right now. We do similar poses but there is music, which seems to help me turn off the mind chatter, and I still get a really good stretch out and feel very relaxed when we're done. I've sort of accepted I may never feel the deep connection to my inner self that some yogis strive for/claim to feel. I'll take relaxation and stretching for now, especially since I'm bad about stretching after workouts.

In any case I feel better about life and losing weight since I found two jumbo cans of pumpkin at WalMart. (Jen, Walmarts near me seem to have a pretty consistent pumpkin supply. Have you looked there?) I am obsessed with pumpkin right now.

Michele, have you/your daughter explored the possibility of grants or organizations that help people in need of them pay for service dogs?

Jen, you look awesome in your dress! Saef is right, I also noticed your teeny waist right away. Thanks for sharing the picture. :)

Jessica, hmm, sounds like an... interesting cyst experience. I hope it breaks up and your wrist feels better.

Saef, your description of fall foliage is so nice! I miss the foliage. I'm glad you enjoyed your spin class. A different style is better than no spin at all.

I've got to get back to work... have a good day all!

10-04-2011, 12:46 PM
DH and I aren't the type to sue. But we know some who are and frankly it's disgusting. We're currently in the 2nd year of a lawsuit here at work: we installed pocket doors in an addition. The doors are not rated for outdoor use and we always disclose this in our proposal. The doors are located under a patio cover of at least 12 feet (meaning they're quite recessed and it would have to be a hurricane to get rainwater on these doors). The homeowner (who we have investigated and now know that he tends to sue everyone) sued the builder who in turn sued all the subcontractors (many of who have now gone out of business due to the poor economy). Well, the homeowner "proved" our pocket doors leak by using a fire hose on them. Um, we live in the desert and rarely do we get wind AND rain at the same time! Anyway, we recently heard that the judge is mad at the guy now because he's torn farther into this addition to get more "defects" that he can pursue. The judge had specifically told the guy that ALL the lawyers (there are over 20) must be in attendance for all work, destruction, etc. and he didn't do that. We're hoping it gets thrown out for this. Granted our insurance will cover any costs, but it's a real headache for this. And to top it off, he does not and never intended to live in this house. And he's ruined it to the point where no one is going to want to buy it.

Pumpkin~my dog is currently eating pumpkin due to a bad case of diarrhea. Two big scoops every meal (he LOVES it!) has done the trick in just 3 days. I always have a couple of the huge cans on hand for this. The only other thing I use it for is Thanksgiving pumpkin pie. What do you make with it, Megan?

Jay~having worked for years in a hospital billing office I can say that your bill for an overnight stay isn't out of line at all. Unfortunately, they do have rules they have to follow and one of those is not discounting the deductible that patients must pay. Had you been someone without insurance, you could probably call them up and get a HUGE discount.

10-04-2011, 01:02 PM
Megan, have you looked into Tabata?

10-04-2011, 01:36 PM
Tabata must have been what my DD tried once. Once. She had been doing P90X (an hour a day) and had stopped for a month or so. She did ONE Tabata routine and was sore for 4 days! It looks amazing!

traveling michele
10-04-2011, 01:57 PM
Megan and Shannon-- if my dd moves forward with the service dog (and it looks like she will), investigating loans/grants is our next step. She spoke to the university because they will often pay for things to assist students with disabilities but they said a dog wouldn't be covered. They more often pay for needed technology so a student can attend classes, do their work, etc.

I also wondered what a dog could do for her and once my dd described everything, it made me very sad. She has hidden much of what she has gone through for years so we had no idea how much she has been affected. She tics in stressful situations (public) and her tics often involve her arms or legs jerking. She is constantly worried she will hit somebody so she stresses if anyone is near her in a store (airport, etc.). She can use the dog as a "buffer" to put between her and someone nearby. He would be trained to know "left", "right", "front", "back". She also has her muscles seize up and becomes almost paralyzed and she fears falling over. She usually has to brace up against a wall until the tic passes. She could use the dog as a brace. As a result of her tics (she has verbal tics though not words-- squeaks and other noises), she has social anxiety and near panic attacks making her not want to go places. The dog will serve as an aid to calm her in general, and also so people will realize that she has a disability if she is doing something out of the norm. There are many other things the dog would be trained to assist with, but those are a few of them.

Shannon in ATL
10-04-2011, 02:01 PM
Michele - :hug:

Megan - I've done tabata sets before and they wore me flat out. The one I did had squats, jumping jacks, push ups, lunges, and I can't remember what else. It does pack in a high intensity workout in a small time frame. I've also had a lot of luck with workout number two on this All dumbbells, all the time ( page. Twenty minutes of circuit work, as much as you can do in that time. Crossfit does similar things - timed activities that can be tweaked for your available space and really hit hard. Would you do a hard core circuit workout on your own or do you need the person telling you when to change? I had trouble at first, but found that if I wrote everything down first and had to check off boxes I did better.

10-04-2011, 02:54 PM
Had you been someone without insurance, you could probably call them up and get a HUGE discount.
I've done it both ways, Alison, and it's true that once when I didn't have insurance, I did get a discount on a hospital stay. BUT, it's because instead of being charged the insurance company rate, I was being charged the uninsured rate, which is much higher. So the hospital basically extended to me the lower insurance company rate. I'd have ended up paying the same either way.

This is one benefit of insurance that I didn't understand--that insured people get a lower rate to begin with.


10-04-2011, 03:02 PM
I've done it both ways, Alison, and it's true that once when I didn't have insurance, I did get a discount on a hospital stay. BUT, it's because instead of being charged the insurance company rate, I was being charged the uninsured rate, which is much higher. So the hospital basically extended to me the lower insurance company rate. I'd have ended up paying the same either way.

This is one benefit of insurance that I didn't understand--that insured people get a lower rate to begin with.


It's illegal (at least in California) to charge a different rate for insured vs. uninsured. Where the hospitals can offer a discount to uninsured is that insurance companies typically contract with hospitals to pay a much lower rate that what the hospital charges. Sometimes it's a flat rate discount (say 70% for outpatient services) or a per diem charge for inpatient services. Hospitals often take the most prevalent reimbursement rates (think Blue Cross) and offer the same type of discount to the uninsured.

10-04-2011, 03:06 PM
This is one benefit of insurance that I didn't understand--that insured people get a lower rate to begin with.


Don't forget we pay that premium every month whether or not we require service.

10-04-2011, 03:26 PM
It's illegal (at least in California) to charge a different rate for insured vs. uninsured. Where the hospitals can offer a discount to uninsured is that insurance companies typically contract with hospitals to pay a much lower rate that what the hospital charges.
So instead of charging a different rate, the hospitals give insurance companies a contractual discount. Comes out to the same thing, though, doesn't it?

Don't forget we pay that premium every month whether or not we require service.
Oh, I can't forget that, believe me. :(

Here's a story about someone I know in Massachusetts, where health insurance is required. If you don't have it, and you can afford it according to the state criteria, then they hit you on your state income tax form with a penalty. It's not a trivial penalty, either. Anyway, this person I know refuses to get health insurance even though her company offers it. She pays the penalty to Mass. every year. Her thinking is, the penalty is less than what she would have to pay for health insurance....

"Yeah," I said, "But you don't have health insurance!" :dunno: It's like she's out the money without any benefits at all!


10-04-2011, 05:55 PM
Frivolous lawsuits make me mad. Probably because my family is all lawyers, and none of them ever do frivolous lawsuits, but frivolous lawsuits give all lawyers a bad name. It's like everyone forgets the fact that in order for a lawyer to be arguing a civil lawsuit, there has to be someone who hired the lawyer in the first place. Sigh. Nowadays I don't tell people that my relatives are "lawyers" -- I tell them my dad is a retired prosecutor and my sister works in civil rights.

10-04-2011, 07:01 PM
I am waiting for DH to make my dinner. Good thing I had a snack at the dog's house around 4 p.m. - looks like DH is still out shopping for the groceries. We complement each other in that I have excellent time-management skills and he doesn't. Most of the time that works out.

I am taking "restorative" yoga classes - probably not a "real" yoga discipline but I love it. A lot of very, very static poses using straps, blocks, etc. for support. I usually fall asleep at least once in every class. Heaven! The only time life doesn't intrude on my relaxation.

Lotsa cute dog stuff happening but I'll leave that for another day as DH and the dinner groceries have arrived.

Good evening all!

Dagmar :cool:

10-04-2011, 07:48 PM
At my sister's in CO. Made dinner for them last night and will again tonight cause they like everything hot and spicey and I just can't do that right now.

Went to Red Rocks Ampitheather today with my artist friend to see the magnificent piece she did of 3 of the rock formations. Then we went to a Medditerian restaurant and I was able to have baba ganoush and spinach pie.

Tonight I'm making roasted beets, yams, onions and garlic with olive oil and almond crusted flounder.

Need to put my sneakers on and do my arm work out with my resistance band. Need motivation!

10-05-2011, 09:14 AM
Every morning the cars are wet with heavy dew and there's a slight ground fog, which I don't care for driving through in the nearby game management area on the way to 5:45 AM spin class. Tonight or tomorrow night we're supposed to get the first frost of the season.

Like many of you who've once been heavy but have lost a lot of weight, I am often extremely cold. My mother, who's obese, is nearly always overly warm. We're in that weird fall period when sometimes you need the heat turned on, and sometimes not. It's not unusual these days for my mother to be moving about the house in a short-sleeved, round-necked summer top, while I am motionless at the desk, working at my laptop, wearing a long-sleeved shirt covered with a hoodie sweater. (During the last few days, I've even added a down vest.) I foresee a lot of discussions about the temperature. My apartment downstate had radiators, was heated by the building and was usually overly hot, so I'd turned a few of the radiators off completely. Thus I did not have a lot of heavy sweaters in my winter wardrobe. That is going to have to change for my winter upstate.

I need to excavate in my old chest of drawers for my Lands End & L.L. Bean lambswool sweaters from the 80s & 90s.

I no longer own any gloves. I have just one scarf. They all drowned except for one gorgeous magenta cashmere pashmina-size scarf that I had the presence of mind to give to the drycleaner, and which the drycleaner was able to clean and save.

10-05-2011, 09:30 AM
Morning all,

I went for a walk on the beach with a friend with two dogs last night. She picked me up in her car. I was surprisingly pleased that my Emma behaved best in the car, pulled towards other dogs the least of the three, and when we let them off the leashes for a short time (we got to a spot where there were no people) Emma also behaved really well, came back and let me put her leash back on instead of running away. Some of my training efforts are sinking in! And other people's dogs are crazy too, lol.

Shannon, thanks for the website. I'll have to check it out when I'm at home (work blocks a lot of websites. not sure how 3fc gets through but it does... :devil:). I do have trouble "making" myself do things at high intensity, but I'm going to have to buckle down and work on it anyway, or accept myself at this weight, which I'm not ready to do. As you suggested I think writing it down and checking it off will help. I've done one workout from the bodyrocktv website and it kicked my behind. I was glad I was alone at home and nobody could see how often I stopped for breath, or how ungraceful my moves were. But if it's online I can do it at home and not be embarrassed, since no one can see me. I will have to look up Tabata and find out more about it. Today is my yoga class but I've "scheduled" a high intensity workout for tomorrow, maybe bodyrock or I can try some tabata.

Dagmar, your & DH and me & BF sound similar in our time management. I'm also much more time efficient and he is not!

Carolyn, that dinner sounds delicious! Your friends are lucky you're cooking for them. Sorry to hear your acid reflux is acting up so much. When you were active about a year + ago here I don't remember you mentioning it. Is this a new thing for you or has it been going on a while?

Michele, :hug:. I'm sure it's really tough for you to hear about your DD going through those things and you not knowing about it. It does sound like a service dog might be helpful and calming/comforting for her to have that support.

Allison, I like to make protein pancakes with pumpkin, pumpkin "custard" (really healthy & high protein but tastes like pumpkin pie filling!), lowfat pumpkin raisin muffins, and I love to add it to my oatmeal with cinnamon for extra nutrients. I've learned to add it to other baked good recipes that are lowfat to help make them really moist. I've got an equally obsessed friend who wants to try recipes for a Pumpkin-Sage-Sausage pasta dish, and a pumpkin mac & cheese, and made a pumpkin roll a few weeks ago - not as diet friendly but they sound delicious. Lately the two of us have been on a 100-mile search to find the best source of pumpkin nearby, bc we're crazy like that. :dizzy:

Gotta get to work. Have a great "hump" day all!

10-05-2011, 10:27 AM
DH is sleeping in today. He got up yesterday at 3:30 to fly to Yakima and got home at 1:15 AM this morning. I think he deserves a couple extra hours of sleep. But then, so do I! I woke up several times both nights--either due to him snoring, my own restlessness, his absence, or the animals antics (a lot of that this morning). I rarely can fall back to sleep easily once disturbed, so I often feel a bit light headed in the morning.

Megan~I can see why you and your friend need to be on a search like that! I saw a recipe for pumpkin mac and cheese yesterday. I still don't know what that would taste like, but it sounds interesting. Pumpkin custard sounds good, though.

We have an unusual cold front moving in here and I'm looking out at a gorgeous sunrise. I may have to go out and take a picture!

10-05-2011, 11:27 AM
I have a recipe for chili which contains pumpkin . it is also made with ground turkey . Delicious and easy to make.

10-05-2011, 11:34 AM
I like lentils and pumpkin, particularly in a curry, but I'm usually cutting up a pumpkin to make it, rather than using the puree.

Here, however, is a lentil and pumpkin soup that uses the puree and has the same flavor profile.

My not-so-secret source for canned pumpkin is Aldi's. I just picked up three cans of the stuff the other day.

10-05-2011, 12:55 PM
This is from my favorite Italian recipe website: Roasted Pumpkin and Pear Soup. (

10-05-2011, 02:22 PM
Megan, I don't remember, are you pumpkin recipes on the recipes sticky?

My big adventure last night was slicing up my thumb on a mandoline while making dinner. Obviously I am somewhat lacking in first aid knowledge though I know the very basics. As soon as I realized I sliced it I applied pressure and held it under cold water in the sink. The problem is that before I always had a small enough cut that it would stop bleeding in 1-2 minutes. This time after 5 minutes of solid pressure, it was still bleeding all over. So I probably looked ridiculous as I tried to get out the phone to call DH (who was still at work) on speakerphone to figure out what to do, while bleeding, trying to apply pressure, and having two dogs running around my feet wondering what was going on. DH looked it up online and told me to hold my hand over my head while applying pressure, and said he would come right home.

Eventually (after another 15 minutes or so) the bleeding slowed down enough that I was able to let go for long enough to grab the first aid kit and wrap it up, so by the time DH got home it had stopped entirely and I was able to use both my hands again. Of course then we weren't sure if I should just slap a band-aid on it or if it was serious enough to need stitches or something, and DH's parents (a doctor and nurse) were out of town so we couldn't ask them, so better safe than sorry we drove over to the urgent care center for them to look at it. No stitches, but they did soak it in betadine, put on a couple of steri-strips, and wrap it up for me. In retrospect given all the time and effort of going to the urgent care, I probably would have been find just putting a band-aid on it. :shrug: Oh well.

The moral of the story is don't use a mandoline while home alone!

10-05-2011, 02:30 PM
Mandolines are dangerous! I've cut myself on mine so many times I'm actually scared of the darn thing now. I think the worst is when you cut your knuckle on it.

10-05-2011, 07:50 PM
Ouch, Jessica! My mandoline has a safety thing you're supposed to stick with veggie you're slicing on so you can't cut your fingers. Of course, it also kinda gets in the way so I tend not to use it, but this may have convinced me to reconsider!

Shannon in ATL
10-05-2011, 08:58 PM
I'm glad you're okay, Jessica! My mandolin slicer has the safety thing, too. I never cut without it, though it is inconvenient and I've been tempted to skip it. Working in restaurants I've had every accident you can have in the kitchen. I once sliced the tips of three of my fingers off on a tomato slicer. Lesson learned - no cutting without the safety on the mandolin slicer. Though that didn't stop me from messing with that fan a few weeks ago...

10-05-2011, 11:15 PM
MEGAN I saw this recipe on another site tonight and thought of you :)


Ingredients ~

8 C Raw Whole Oats
1/2 can pure pumpkin
5 T brown sugar
2 t cinnamon
1/4 t ground ginger
1/4 t ground nutmeg
1 t salt
1 egg white


Preheat the oven to 300 degrees. In a bowl, mix pumpkin, brown sugar, cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger, salt, and the egg white. Pour the oats into a large mixing bowl.

Pour the pumpkin mixture on top of the oats.

Using a large spoon, or your hands, mix everything together very well! Pour the oat mixture onto a cookie sheet (I spray mine with coconut oil).

Bake the oats at 300 degrees for 15 minutes and then gently mix. Bake for another 20 minutes. Remove the oats from the oven and allow to cool COMPLETELY!

Once the oats are cool, mix in your favorite nuts and fruit. I used almonds, raisins, and cranberries.

Store in cool, dry place in a well sealed container.

10-06-2011, 09:03 AM
MMMMM!!! That sounds delicious Gary! Definitely gonna try that one! :T

I'm not sure if the pumpkin recipes are in the recipes thread. I'll put them up there next. Though they're not really "mine", I've borrowed them from others not created them myself, but will give full credit!

Jessica, ow ow ow, that sounds like it hurt! Take care of your fingers!

Yoga was great last night. Our yoga teacher has started doing a "yoga nidra" as a relaxation at the end of class. She goes through the different body parts (e.g. "feel your right hand. feel your left hand.") It's still hard for me to focus only on each body part, etc., but I'm hoping I will get better at connecting as we continue since I don't always feel in touch with my body. She wants to do one class where she teaches us tennis ball massage and we go through the whole nidra meditation, bc the whole thing is rather long. I can't wait! It sounds great. She is a professional masseuse so she knows what she's doing massage-wise.

Have a great Thursday all!

10-06-2011, 10:14 AM
Shannon, three fingers! Ouch! I didn't actually cut anything completely off of my thumb so it wasn't that bad. I admit it though . . . :o I took the safety device off the mandoline. :o :o It's a long story, but suffice to say that we registered for a simple mandoline for our wedding, and MIL decided to get us the most expensive one in the store instead, which is so complicated it comes with a DVD to show you how to put it together and use it, and the safety device requires two additional pieces to be attached to the mandoline (can't use one without the other), and it is shaped such that you can only use it with objects that fit in a 3-inch diameter circle. I was slicing 8-inch long zucchini into lengthwise strips. Sigh. I tried to use just the top part of the safety thing (the part with the spikes that poke into the food) but it is not usable without the bottom piece.

In any case it appears to be healing well so no big deal.

In other news, today is our last day with Ms. Booboo. I'm not sure when exactly my in-laws are getting back from their vacation so I don't know if we are giving her back to them tonight or tomorrow. We had a very frustrating walk this morning and I admit it will be a relief to return her so that I can enjoy my walks with Carter again. If we were going to have her longer term I would definitely invest more energy in teaching her to walk well on the leash because that is really the only problem we've had with her. I think she would respond better to Cesar Millan's methods than Carter does, because I think a lot of the issue is that she is very much an alpha female and is used to being the boss of everyone and getting her way all the time.

I do feel kind of bad for Carter though. In many ways he likes being an only dog, but he has had a lot of fun playing with her these two weeks. OTOH last night we had to separate them because they were running around the house and Carter was sliding out on the wood floor (dangerous for his delicate spine!).

10-06-2011, 08:56 PM
Yes Megan, the acid reflux is a new thing I've been dealing with since the beginning of summer. But the restricted diet has really helped me to maintain my weight. I'll know where I stand on Monday morning when I weigh in for the first time in 2 weeks. but going by how my skinny jeans fit, I think I'll be at the same weight and not have dropped too low.

Today, I met up with two more fiber artists and they took me to another Medditerean restaurant so I was able to have baba ganoush again plus a ceaser salad with a really good piece of salmon. I know I'm not suppose to be eating cheese, but it's not that much on a salad.

Then we went to two art quilt gallery exhibitions and I went to the Boulder Contemporary Art Museum.

If any of you are in the NJ area, you're welcome to come to my art opening on Tuesday October 11th from 5:30 to 7:30 pm at the Princeton Brain and Spine Institute at 731 Alexander Road, Suite 200 Princeton, NJ. I'll be showing 7 of my neurology art quilts and my cousin will be showing several of her vertabra watercolors.

Tomorrow, I get the results of the 8 hours of intensive testing I had on my reading and writing issues and hear what they recommend I do to improve my spelling problems.

10-07-2011, 10:32 AM
Everyone's posts here have disabused me of any desire I had to buy a mandoline. I get so tired of chopping vegetables, that seemed like a good solution. But I work hastily & a bit sloppily sometimes & I can now imagine decapitating a much-needed finger, which I definitely don't need.

We are having that glorious weather where it's frosty in the morning and then brilliantly sunny in the afternoon. I really want to enjoy it, but feel like something is sitting on my back & weighing down my shoulders, and suppressing any buoyancy in me. I will make myself go out this weekend & go out into the sunlight & feign being okay, and maybe, if I do it long enough, it will be true, and I will be okay.

traveling michele
10-07-2011, 11:28 AM
TGIF! I will so happy 10 days from now when my book fair is OVER!

This morning I set up, followed by teacher previews. I am going to try to sneak out to an author luncheon (James Howe, author of the Bunnicula series) but I can only do it if my new, not so reliable volunteer, shows up. Tomorrow and Sunday I work WW, and then the book fair is all next week-- including two nights....then I work WW the following Saturday and Sunday, so.... feeling exhausted just thinking about it!!

For some reason Dewey has pooped on his bed the last two days after not having an accident for months! UGGGHHHHHH.... been cold and wet so that may be part of the reason......

I think I had more to say but I'm brain dead now!

10-07-2011, 01:03 PM
Just got back from lab work, fasting lab work, came home and made scrambled eggs and coffee. I need to do laundry but just don't feel like it. I wonder how the pioneer women felt about laundry, after making the soap and heating the water and then scrubbing on a scrub board. I am thankful I wasn't born in that time.

10-07-2011, 03:08 PM
Michele, I loved the Bunnicula books when I was a kid!

Bargoo, on the one hand I appreciate the convenience of the modern era, but on the other hand I think if we still had to do all that manual labor we wouldn't have such an obesity problem.

Saef, sounds like prime opportunity to go for a walk or a run to me. Beautiful outside, you feel crappy, exercise makes you feel better . . . ?

I have been feeling kind of crappy too. I think it's because I'm trying to go off of Lyrica. My doctor said to drop from two pills a day to one and stay there for two weeks before going off entirely, so that is what I'm doing. I'm wondering how much of the aches and pains are a reaction to taking away the drug versus things that were there before I went on it? It does have warnings about being habit-forming, which is one of the reasons I want to not be taking it. That kind of implies that there will be some sort of withdrawal symptoms. I can deal with achy joints much better than the awful "brain zaps" I had when going off of Cymbalta a few years ago though.

Meanwhile my podiatrist's last resort is for me to try kinesiology tape on my feet. He was basically like, there is no scientific evidence that this will help at all, but I can't think of anything else to try. :shrug: Oh well, it can't hurt.

10-07-2011, 06:12 PM
I know you all missed the dog stories tremendously :p but I have no new ones.

I missed the internet terribly - felt totally cut off from everything. I did start reading "The Help" and am finding it very entertaining. I can really identify with the maids in the story, (due in part to my dog sit client's attitude toward me), although of course I'm much better treated than they ever were. Most of my clients do not regard me as a servant but rather as a buddy for their dogs.

I am preparing for Canadian Thanksgiving and will be making a pumpkin chili for the first time. Anyone know if fresh pumpkin is better than canned for this? DH is a dab hand with a knife and cutting up veggies. I am not and was considering a mandoline but will not go that route now - I need all of my fingers too! Most of this weekend's food planning was for fall weather. I will still make those foods although now it looks like we're due for warm sunny weather all weekend.

We are experiencing indian summer here and DH and I will be outside doing things all weekend. I will be able to get most of my gardening done without freezing my butt off (as has happened in past years due to my procrastination). :yay:

I better go attend to a ton of laundry and start dinner soon - a new fish dish invovling snapper, capers, zucchini, olives, etc.

TGIF and TGIBH (thank goodness I'm back home) :cheer:

Dagmar :D

10-07-2011, 07:30 PM
I make pumpkin chili and only use canned pumpkin.

10-08-2011, 10:14 AM
A few years ago I received a really nice KitchenAid food processor for Christmas from my parents. They are somewhat expensive, but I considered it a long-term investment... um, on my parents part, anyway. My dad decided to get me a bunch of different discs. They slice similar to a mandolin, shred in a heartbeat (like things for coleslaw, cheese), grate my blocks of parmesan... besides all of the food processor functions! I don't know how I lived without it. Ok, now I'm just being dramatic. But your fingers don't get anywhere near the blades. Perhaps other food processors have similar blade options? If you use/own a food processor anyway, some disc options might be safer than this highly dangerous mandolin contraption!

I had to go to the city for work yesterday and scoured the city for kale seeds or seedlings. None to be found. I'm almost as obsessed with kale as I am with pumpkin right now! So I will be ordering some seeds online today... got to get the winter garden into shape this weekend. And make pumpkin muffins and Gary's pumpkin granola recipe. Do I have a problem? :devil:

Speaking of pumpkin, Dagmar, I usually use canned for convenience. I do know if you start from scratch be sure to get a baking or pie pumpkin, not the type used to carve jack-o-lanterns. The taste is sweeter and texture better for baking. I'm sure you can google a picture. You have to cut up the flesh, bake it, and then mash/puree it to get to the right consistency.

Carolyn, sounds like your trip has been filled with lots of art exhibits! Any you particularly enjoyed? GL w your own exhibit - unfortunately I am much too far away to see it, but I hope it goes well.

I need to do laundry too this weekend. Ugh. Ok, we can all do it together...

Have a great weekend all!

10-08-2011, 11:30 PM
We went to see the Ides of March today. I wasn't sure if I'd like it as I dislike politics--I really hate getting into any kind of political or religious discussion, mostly because I'm not well versed on either subject. In any case, this was an excellent movie and reinforced my dislike of politics and all the corruption involved in it. I do recommend seeing this movie. It is good. Powerful.

So we came home and I made individual savory bread puddings for dinner (whole grain bread, ham, green onions, low fat cheddar and eggs). It was quite good--DH and DS each had 1 1/2 while I had 1 and therefore there are no leftovers. Served a nice green salad on the side.

Hope everyone's weekend is going well!

10-09-2011, 02:34 AM
Your bread pudding sounds intersting. I think of bread pudding as a dessert and do not include ham or cheese or green onions.

10-09-2011, 06:51 AM
We also saw "Ides of March" last night. Powerful performances by all the principals. I've read a bit about all the "behind-the-scenes" politicking that the electorate never sees and this movie seems to depict that quite accurately. I really liked it (I'm also a great admirer :love: of George Clooney as an actor and as "eye candy", and now also as a director) and DH didn't.

We are going to go see the Noel Coward play "Private Lives" today. Starring Kim Catrall (Sex and the City) and Paul Gross (Due South). I've been looking forward to this and I'm sure I'll enjoy it immensely. I get to dress up a bit too - always nice - but I can't upstage DH who is very casual so I'm going to take some time to put the outfit together.

In exercise news DH and I did a massive paddle yesterday. The weather was absolutely gorgeous and the water was really calm. We were out there for 3 hours. I managed to enter an almost meditative state where I was conscious of everything around me and felt like a part of the boat, water and sky. My chattering mind shut up. I'm not describing it well but it was really relaxing.

In food news :p I was reading the can of pumpkin this morning and found that the calorie count was much higher than I anticipated (DH did the grocery shopping yesterday so I couldn't check until he brought it home). It's 225 cals per cup/250 ml. Probably lower than the ground turkey I usually use in this type of chili but not significantly so. We'll see how it tastes. I do need some more vegetarian options for dinners.

Good Sunday all! I'm off to lift weights :lifter: for the first time in 2 weeks (no availability during the dog sit) and I'm quite looking forward to it!

Dagmar :beach:

10-09-2011, 11:04 AM
I do use a full can of pumpkin and aslo use ground turkey. My recipe makes a massive amount of chili so I don't think I am getting too many calories from the pumpkin. It freezes well so I have many meals from it.

10-09-2011, 02:37 PM
The bread pudding was good, however I'll have to find my old recipe--it was much, much better as it called for regular onions rather than green onions and butternut squash as well as a different cheese (Fontina over cheddar if I remember correctly).

DH and I spent a couple hours this morning working on cleaning off our back patio and furniture getting everything ready for fall outdoor dining and perhaps a party or two (Thanksgiving is usually outside here). I also washed the dog--not in my normal fashion, though. DH hadn't brought out the hose yet so I sent Chico into the pool for a swim, lathered him up once he was out, and then sent him back in for a good rinse. I had to get in partially to make sure all the suds were off. The pool equipment will have to do a little extra duty cleaning up all the fur!

No other big plans today other than making up a batch of gallo pinto for dinner. It's actually the staple breakfast fare in Costa Rica, but I think it'll make a good dinner with some sausage and eggs.

10-09-2011, 03:10 PM
In food news :p I was reading the can of pumpkin this morning and found that the calorie count was much higher than I anticipated (DH did the grocery shopping yesterday so I couldn't check until he brought it home). It's 225 cals per cup/250 ml. Probably lower than the ground turkey I usually use in this type of chili but not significantly so. We'll see how it tastes. I do need some more vegetarian options for dinners.

Dagmar, are you sure DH didn't accidentally pick up pumpkin pie mix instead of plain pumpkin? Plain canned pumpkin has 40 cals/half cup. Pumpkin pie mix has sugar and other stuff added in already. I buy Libby's brand, which supplies most of the US with its canned pumpkin (why do I know that? oh, the research I did about the pumpkin shortage... I am such a dork.) Their cans of the two look pretty similar and are easy to confuse:

10-09-2011, 07:30 PM
Dagmar, are you sure DH didn't accidentally pick up pumpkin pie mix instead of plain pumpkin? Plain canned pumpkin has 40 cals/half cup. Pumpkin pie mix has sugar and other stuff added in already. I buy Libby's brand, which supplies most of the US with its canned pumpkin (why do I know that? oh, the research I did about the pumpkin shortage... I am such a dork.) Their cans of the two look pretty similar and are easy to confuse:

The can says 100% "Dickinson" pumpkin. Not even any water added. The chili was pretty good - we just ate it - but a little underspiced. I couldn't find any hot :eek: chiles at the grocery - must be a popular Thanksgiving recipe this year that calls for chiles.

Pea soup tomorrow, with the Easter ham bone which I froze. Very easy recipe but a long, long :dz: cook time. Good thing I'm doing yard work and can check on the soup whenever necessary.

So we saw "Private Lives" this afternoon. I was totally blown away by Kim Catrall. She is an excellent stage actress and she sings and dances pretty well too! Who knew :shrug:? Good show too and the set for the second act (an art deco apartment) was amazing!

I'm going to go and finish "The Help" now. It's getting to that point where I don't want to put the book down and I want DH out the door so I can go on a reading orgy. That and watch the "Good Wife" too.

Both my "big screen" and "little screen" boyfriends :p (George Clooney and Chris Noth respectively) in two days. And Paul Gross too - pretty darn sexy bunch! :drool:

Good evening all!

TGIAHT (it's a holiday tomorrow)

Dagmar :D