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ANOther
09-21-2011, 03:37 PM
Hey, it was fantastic to see the weight Kirstie Alley lost on the last season of Dancing with the Stars (who wants to bet that IF, and it could be a big IF, Chaz Bono gets that far he'll be leaner 'n' meaner too?). But size 4 ??? Linky:

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/tim-gunn-kirstie-alley-is-not-a-size-4-2011179


Lovely
09-21-2011, 04:00 PM
This seems less about Kirstie Alley specifically and more about how obnoxious vanity sizing is for finding clothes. (Which we've seen discussed around the forums before!)

Kirstie looks fantastic, and good for her for losing the weight!

About vanity sizing, though... couldn't agree more with Tim Gunn, it's gotten to be ridiculous. He wasn't trying to insult her, but rather discuss sizes of clothing. He's Tim Gunn, after all. That's what he does! Clothes!

And he even says:

"But she looks fabulous," he added. "People are too size conscious."

That's the meat of it for me.

runningfromfat
09-21-2011, 04:05 PM
Hey, it was fantastic to see the weight Kirstie Alley lost on the last season of Dancing with the Stars (who wants to bet that IF, and it could be a big IF, Chaz Bono gets that far he'll be leaner 'n' meaner too?). But size 4 ??? Linky:

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/tim-gunn-kirstie-alley-is-not-a-size-4-2011179

She totally could be! At old navy, the gap etc. However, in a designer label? I doubt it.

I like the following links and find them pretty interesting. But basically each label has to design its close to its customer so it's not surprising that a 4 at Old Navy is vastly different than at Marc Jacbos.

http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/the_myth_of_vanity_sizing/
http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fit_and_sizing_entropy/


runningfromfat
09-21-2011, 04:08 PM
About vanity sizing, though... couldn't agree more with Tim Gunn, it's gotten to be ridiculous. He wasn't trying to insult her, but rather discuss sizes of clothing. He's Tim Gunn, after all. That's what he does! Clothes!

And he even says:



That's the meat of it for me.

Yep to this. She DOES look fabulous (nobody is denying that!) but the whole sizing system is very, very messed up. I still can't say it enough but manufacturers should just publish the measurement range of a given item and go from there. They could call it a size rainbow for all I care but tell us who it's supposed to fit, please!

Oh, and another thing, I'm pretty sure the size 8 that Tim Gunn typically deals with is very different than the standard size 8 that most people can afford. ;)

ETA: in the comments people are saying she wears something like an 8-10, well, not in the stores I shop in (cheaper ones at the moment). I've pretty squarely in a size 10 there with some 12's still and I'd say she looks smaller than me.

bellastarr
09-21-2011, 04:25 PM
she looks great but is no way a true size 4...i dont know how she thinks people believe that. Like hello...we have eyes

midwife
09-21-2011, 04:51 PM
Please be careful to follow this:

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/general-chatter/123899-fat-bashing-kirstie-alley-other-celebs.html

April Snow
09-21-2011, 05:52 PM
the size 4 made me raise an eyebrow, but yeah, she looks great and who cares about the number?

And the other thing I love about her is that just like so many of us here, she doesn't give up even when she gains weight back. I hope that this is the time that sticks permanently for her! (and I hope the same thing for me and for all of the chicks who are doing this again!!)

Beck
09-21-2011, 07:26 PM
Congrats to her for her weight loss achievement!

As far as sizing- I typically shop at thrift stores, not only because I'm still losing weight, but because I'm frugal like that, and have found on any given day that I can wear clothing ranging from size 4 to size 14, but I generally am mostly in size 6-8 skirts these days (don't wear pants). Even with the same brand I wear different sizes depending on the cut and style of the skirt or dress. There is no consistency, and it's very frustrating at times.

milmin2043
09-22-2011, 12:55 AM
Let's face it. So many of us are ruled by the media, the fashion police, the designers, and the scale. How many of us have fit into a small size (even if it was the only time) and then told others, or ourselves, "I am a size so and so", even if that piece of clothing is the only one in that size that we can wear?

I love the fact that Kirstie keeps trying. She is 60 y/o. A lot of women would have just given up. She has a very public battle with her weight and everyone has an opinion, one way or the other. I think she looks terrific and I hope that she is able to keep it off this time. The yo-yoing is exhausting and expensive!!

ringmaster
09-22-2011, 11:47 PM
she looks great for 60.. she claims no plastic surgery, so she really does look amazing if she really hasn't had any work done. although I think most of it is to promote her line of products.

would be interesting if Chaz loses weight...I was wondering if he's keeping the weight on as a choice to go more with his look... maybe the feminine features would start to show if he lost weight. I think the weight might limit his dancing. Hope he has a fair chance on the show either way.

tinneranne2
09-23-2011, 01:29 AM
I think Kirstie looks awesome, sizes be damned. We tend to focus on numbers (both in clothing sizes and on the scale) too much because they are such a convenient way to quantify ourselves. Convenient and so often misleading.

The mirror is the only measuring stick that matters in the end. :)

124chicksinger
09-23-2011, 06:25 AM
My only issue with Kirstie is that she is hawking her own diet line, which did NOT work for her. She was not successful with Jennie Craig for too long, and she was not successful with her own products. When she joined Dancing with the Stars, she lost weight by the exercise and not being able to eat the way she was all day long caused by the grueling practice schedule of the show. I find it unscrupulous that she is now promoting her food line .... when the world knows better. Same thing with Marie Osmond and Nutrisystem....She lost the weight on DWTS and got a contract for Nutrisystem. We don't know about Jennifer Hudson either as there have been rumors she had gastric bypass and if you look that up there's more than enough speculation that WW is using her as their spokesmodel but there may have been more to it than just WW in her weightloss.

If we all had access to personal trainers, personal chefs, and 8 hours a day to spend at the gym or in physically demanding "jobs" we'd all be gorgeously thin and in shape too.

Getting back to the topic, Kirstie looks good, but that's no size 4 dress...unless she's 20 feet tall. ;)

stellarosa27
09-23-2011, 10:53 AM
Who cares what size she is? She looks great and she's a living testament that weight loss is HARD, but it can be done.

And as we all know, different plans work for different people. No one knows what Marie Osmand and Kirstie Alley ate while they were on DWTS. My baby sister had a ridiculous schedule and she relied on Nutrisystem for her food for a while - she lost 80 lbs (with no exercise). It might have just been convenient.

Eitherway, hateful accusations don't help anyone. Just think of how you'd feel if someone discounted your weight loss as "oh, she just had a gastric bypass." So what if she did? WW may be helping her KEEP the weight off, which is a common issue that those who've had gastric bypass go through.

Let's all be nice!

runningfromfat
09-23-2011, 12:30 PM
Eitherway, hateful accusations don't help anyone. Just think of how you'd feel if someone discounted your weight loss as "oh, she just had a gastric bypass." So what if she did? WW may be helping her KEEP the weight off, which is a common issue that those who've had gastric bypass go through.

Let's all be nice!

ITA. I've had my weight loss minimized as "just baby weight", umm... 3 years later! :o So, yeah, I don't appreciate others doing it either. I have a friend whose had weight loss surgery. She's kept off the weight and that's a HUGE achievement. You even see some people pop up on the biggest loser who had weight loss surgery and ended up gaining it back so keeping it off IS a big deal no matter how they got there.

Tanna Banana
09-23-2011, 11:35 PM
Who cares what size she is? She looks great and she's a living testament that weight loss is HARD, but it can be done.

And as we all know, different plans work for different people. No one knows what Marie Osmand and Kirstie Alley ate while they were on DWTS. My baby sister had a ridiculous schedule and she relied on Nutrisystem for her food for a while - she lost 80 lbs (with no exercise). It might have just been convenient.

Eitherway, hateful accusations don't help anyone. Just think of how you'd feel if someone discounted your weight loss as "oh, she just had a gastric bypass." So what if she did? WW may be helping her KEEP the weight off, which is a common issue that those who've had gastric bypass go through.

Let's all be nice!

The potential problem comes from a celebrity marketing and endorsing a particular weight loss plan when he/she may have lost it through other methods- and doesn't disclose that fact. If Jennifer Hudson lost weight through gastric bypass, that's fantastic. But as a spokesperson for weight watchers, she is implying that WW is how she lost her weight. It's not fair representation. I think that's the rub.

Koshka
09-24-2011, 02:25 AM
ETA: in the comments people are saying she wears something like an 8-10, well, not in the stores I shop in (cheaper ones at the moment). I've pretty squarely in a size 10 there with some 12's still and I'd say she looks smaller than me.

It is very difficult to really guess sizes even if you know someone's weight. Body shape and height are a factor. I weigh about 10 pounds less than you show in your profile (but I'm shorter). I can't wear anything close to a 10 or a 12. I am just now starting to get into 16s. I have one pair of jeans that is a 14 (from a curvy line).

brillmama2
09-25-2011, 01:19 PM
i think any company that you have to pay into to loose weight or that you have to eat their brand of food is an unhealthy option... just eat real original natural foods in moderation and good things will come of it..... i read a quote on here that said if you can kill or grow it dont eat it.....

Koshka
09-25-2011, 05:18 PM
i think any company that you have to pay into to lose weight or that you have to eat their brand of food is an unhealthy option... just eat real original natural foods in moderation and good things will come of it..... i read a quote on here that said if you can kill or grow it dont eat it.....

That seems little strong. I follow WW for example and do pay for it but I don't really think it is an unhealthy option. There is no requirement to eat their foods. It would be nice if eating natural foods in moderation were enough for me to lose weight but it just hasn't worked out that way for me. I do better with the group support and weekly weigh in. I fully understand it doesn't work for everyone and not everyone needs it, but I do. And I don't think that the fact that I do means I'm doing something unhealthy. I used to think I shouldn't need the group support or weigh in and that I should be able to do it all on my own. That ended up being worth about an extra 30 pounds for me though. So it was better for me to go for what works for me.

kaplods
09-25-2011, 05:47 PM
There are many healthful products, foods, and weight loss services a person can buy. You can do everything yourself, but you're not obligated to, anymore than you're obligated to make your own clothes from fabric you've hand woven and dyed, from thread you've spun from cotton you've grown or the wool of sheep you've raised yourself.

Paying for support isn't money ill-spent. I prefer TOPS to Weight Watcher's, because it's less expensive, the support is more personal, all reasonable plans are supported, and there are ways (usually with weight loss) to earn cash and small prizes to offset the monthly and yearly dues.

As with buying any product, you have to know what you're buying, how (or if) it is different than what you would make yourself, and evaluate whether you can do it youself, have the desire and time to do it yourself, and what the costs and benefits are of buying it vs making it.

As with all products and services , there are high quality weight loss products and services and there are also scams and crap.

Whether weight loss-related or not, being a smart comsumer means judging the pros and cons of doing yourself versus having some of it done for you.

brillmama2
09-25-2011, 10:22 PM
i apoligize for offending you ladies!!! i really wasnt meaning on the support side of it.. i think they are great!!! and help a bunch. i just think programs that say the only way is to spend all your mony on our food. like adkins. used to be great eat these types of food and youll do good now it eat atkins shakes and bars!! you can only go so far on these then its back to real food and my experianjce is once you go back to real food i gain my real butt back lol..... i think a support team is crucial to success and if i hadnt joined 3 fat chiks has helped me unmeaseueably!!!! once again i didnt mean to insult or offend any one sorry!!!

stellarosa27
09-26-2011, 01:59 PM
The potential problem comes from a celebrity marketing and endorsing a particular weight loss plan when he/she may have lost it through other methods- and doesn't disclose that fact. If Jennifer Hudson lost weight through gastric bypass, that's fantastic. But as a spokesperson for weight watchers, she is implying that WW is how she lost her weight. It's not fair representation. I think that's the rub.

And my point is that we shouldn't celebrity-bash, or anyone-bash, for that matter. Undermining someone's weight loss accomplishments, with no evidence that they DIDN'T do what they said they did, is pretty nasty.

milmin2043
09-27-2011, 05:22 PM
stellarosa27-

BRAVO! Nicely said. I agree.

Tanna Banana
09-27-2011, 05:36 PM
And my point is that we shouldn't celebrity-bash, or anyone-bash, for that matter. Undermining someone's weight loss accomplishments, with no evidence that they DIDN'T do what they said they did, is pretty nasty.

We're on the same page as far as that goes. I truly don't have a problem with how someone loses weight, and I agree that any type of bashing is inappropriate. However, I don't think saying something about misrepresentation is bashing. If I was shelling out hundreds of dollars to a specific diet plan because I followed and admired "Celebrity X" who was having success on the plan- only to find out that "Celebrity X" had lost the weight through other means, I'd be pretty disappointed. I'd be happy for "Celebrity X", but I'd feel kind of let down. Does that make sense at all?

I hope my posts don't come across as hateful or sarcastic- especially since I mean them to be hypothetical. :)

yoyoma
09-28-2011, 09:01 AM
As a veteran yoyo dieter and an older woman (turning 50 in less than a month), I'm happy to see someone her age looking great and managing to succeed at weight loss through any means. To me, she doesn't look like a typical size 4, and I'm not sure she'd look good that slender. But we all know the sizing numbers have a lot of fudge in them and I'm sure there are some 4's she can fit in.

Regarding her advertising of food products, I do think that's shady since it was not the food products that were key to her success at weight loss.

stellarosa27
09-28-2011, 01:01 PM
We're on the same page as far as that goes. I truly don't have a problem with how someone loses weight, and I agree that any type of bashing is inappropriate. However, I don't think saying something about misrepresentation is bashing. If I was shelling out hundreds of dollars to a specific diet plan because I followed and admired "Celebrity X" who was having success on the plan- only to find out that "Celebrity X" had lost the weight through other means, I'd be pretty disappointed. I'd be happy for "Celebrity X", but I'd feel kind of let down. Does that make sense at all?

I hope my posts don't come across as hateful or sarcastic- especially since I mean them to be hypothetical. :)

It does make sense, and I understand what you're saying, but it's part of the advertising world. For years celebrities have endorsed products that they didn't use, and while it's not the best practice ever, there's no law against it. They're not making "false claims" - WW does help you lose weight, there are many of us on here who will testify to that - they're just using someone famous to say it.

My point is just that there's no evidence that she didn't do what she said she did, you know? The Jennifer Hudson thing really upsets me. I was about her size, and using WW, was able to get down to her current size. It takes a lot of hard work and dedication, and for critics to just write it off is hurtful.

That being said, it's partly why I don't use products based on celebrity testimonials, especially weight loss products. Why did I try WW - because I knew of several IRL people who had tried it and had success with it. Those testimonials are worth more to me than celebrities because my friends live in the "real world" if you will :)