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Chubbykins
09-02-2011, 06:45 PM
So I've been loosing weight for 9 full months now. It has been slow, steady and not as tiresome as I expected. This is my first diet ever and I was pleased with my slow results until two weeks ago.

I've been eating steadily 1800 calories and excersizing daily all these months without side-stepping even once.

Two weeks ago I suddenly begun not waking up correctly anymore. I could not reach full alertness no matter what I did. I could not read, play and 4 days ago it was so bad I was too tired to eat/drink. So I went to the hospital.

Bloodwork and x-ray say I am perfectly healthy. I get home and I have only eaten 400 calories the whole day and it is 12 midnight. So I decide I am too tired to eat and head for bed.

My fiance was so worried about me that he ordered take-out food (I was way too tired to cook and he can't boil an egg without ruining it). I didn't want it as I haven't eaten out once in all this diet time. In the end I was too tired to argue and I ate all 1500 calories of that fatty, salty and far too filling stuff.

Now I told myself "Ok, you wake up tommorow a bit fatter and the diet last a month longer". I was ok with the concequenses.

Now here comes the weird part. I woke up and I was not a gram fatter, My stomach was as flat as it hasn't been in years and... I was AWAKE!!!
I have had the best three days of my life since that meal.

I thought of plenty of explanations but nothing makes sense. I should have water retention not loss after eating all that salt, I should have been heavier and I sure as **** should not feel like I'm in heaven after eating something so unhealthy compared to my veggies. I don't think I've been undereating since 1800 calories are a lot...

So what is it? What made me feel better and made my stomach flat?

And even worse... what made me feel so crap in the first place? Because I sure can't function like that.

Any ideas are welcome.


Lucky72
09-02-2011, 06:50 PM
What fast food did you eat exactly? Maybe that might provide a clue.

runningfromfat
09-02-2011, 07:46 PM
Yeah, I'm also wondering the type? You say you eat a lot of veggies, are you getting enough fat and protein? I know I get dizzy/nauseated if I'm not eating enough of those.


DezziePS
09-02-2011, 07:55 PM
Are you exercising a lot? 1800 calories seems pretty reasonable, but if you're exercising a whole lot it might not be enough. And 1500 calories of junk plus the 400 you had earlier is only 100 over your goal- not bad at all! Also, as tempting as it may be, our brains are wired to make correlations into causations- something else could have caused you to feel better other than the junky food. Did anything else change? Maybe you had a weird little virus or something? Are you getting enough vitamin B? If you've recently cut out meat or animal products in an attempt to lose weight, you could have a B vitamin deficiency that the hospital probably wouldn't have tested you for. Are you depressed?

kelly315
09-02-2011, 08:07 PM
I agree with some of the others, maybe there was something missing in your diet and the deficiency was what caused the problem. If you're eating healthy, it's actually not uncommon to have too little fat in your diet so maybe that was it. Or, you could be mildly allergic/sensitive to one of the staples in your healthier diet- the symptoms could include stomach bloating and fatigue.

Mimi123
09-02-2011, 10:40 PM
Interested in knowing what the takeaway was...

H82Sweat
09-02-2011, 11:38 PM
I am not a betting person, but if I were I would bet on an electrolyte imbalance.

SO glad you are feeling better!

Esofia
09-03-2011, 06:09 AM
What's your blood pressure like? Many people have high blood pressure, especially if they're overweight, but not everyone. Mine tends to be low, so I need to eat more salt to feel better and to bring my blood pressure into the healthy range. Maybe you just needed the salt for some reason. I'd also agree that it sounds like some kind of strange virus. Rest, keep well hydrated, make sure you get enough to eat, and don't worry too much about the diet for a few days.

TooManyDimples
09-03-2011, 08:08 AM
I would tend to go with the idea that you've not been getting enough Fat in your diet. On top of the fact that not getting enough fat can make you feel tired and down, having enough fat in our diets is important. When we don't have enough fat in our diet, we don't get the full benefits of the healthy food we do eat. Fat is necessary for the digestion and absorption of many essential nutrients.

Rana
09-03-2011, 12:49 PM
The same thing happens to me if I don't take "breaks" or have a cheat meal. I don't know what causes it, I was thinking an electrolyte imbalance too, but I also exercise a lot.

I've been trying to be conscious of my food intake when I am feeling low energy to figure out what causes it. But I definitely have days like that when I haven't eaten enough carbs and I exercised for a long time (like when I go on bike rides that are over 22 miles).

racrane
09-03-2011, 03:34 PM
Hmn, this sounds like me. I really need a cheat meal once a week and somehow I feel awesome after said cheat meal. Maybe that's it? For me the "cheat" meal was at the cheesecake factory. Veggie burger with fries, still reasonable, but not like I eat at home. This is interesting.

Chubbykins
09-03-2011, 04:53 PM
Thanks for replying everyone :)

So... the meal was a hamburger with fries and a soda, pretty classic.

It is true I have become a vegetarian and this was the first meat I ate in months. I also excersize daily 10 miles on my home-bike, 40 sit-ups and 10 minutes weight lifting.

By the way they did count my electrolytes on the bloodtest and everything was perfect, as in right smack in the middle of normal. I also take a vegetarian vitamin & minerals supplement daily since I stopped eating meat, since I knew it would be hard to keep up with iron and B12 very well.

Also my blood pressure is ok. I check it personaly every other day and the hospital did so too.

My diet is pretty much 2 fruit a day, 3 portions of veggies, two portions of something with carbs (noodles, rice, bread all as brown as possible), 3 portions of low fat milk products and one egg. I only drink water and once in a while sugarless juice.

What I don't add at all to my food is salt and oils/butters. I thought the egg fat and the cheese fat was enough, since low fat dairy still has about 16-20% fat content.

Do you think it actually could be salt or fat missing in my diet?

I know it might not have been the meal, but my only symptom was this terrible drowziness. No coughs, sneezes, fevers or anything. I didn't miss sleep since I sleep 10 hours per day usually. So the meal was pretty much the only thing that changed.

I immediately went back to my diet since that night and today I started to feel drowzy again. :( I think I'll go get my hormones checked. It is the only thing they could not check on the bloodtest at the hospital.

I hope it is the diet... I could easily fit more fat/salt or whatever within my 1800 calories, but hormones would be bad news...

JessLess
09-03-2011, 05:12 PM
I hope you are OK and I'm glad your husband is there to take care of you. I hope you get your answer.

Chubbykins
09-03-2011, 06:37 PM
I hope you are OK and I'm glad your husband is there to take care of you. I hope you get your answer.

Thanks! I really hope so too

Lucky72
09-03-2011, 07:02 PM
I think you are missing protein. Can you boost your protein consumption? Beans, quinoa, nut butters, tofu, etc. are all really good sources of protein. From your list of what you have been eating, it looks like the only real protein source is 1 egg. The meat in the hamburger might have given you a boost.

JohnP
09-03-2011, 08:28 PM
My diet is pretty much 2 fruit a day, 3 portions of veggies, two portions of something with carbs (noodles, rice, bread all as brown as possible), 3 portions of low fat milk products and one egg. I only drink water and once in a while sugarless juice.

I don't know what portions mean but ...

2 fruit - 200 calories
3 veggie - 50-100 calories? (Depends a whole lot on the veggie)
2 portions carbs - 300 calories?
3 portions (8oz each?) of low fat (2%) milk - 360 calories
1 egg - 80 calories

So you're somewhere around 1050 calories + you're doing a relatively decent amount of exercise.

If I'm right about your calories than you have an easy problem to solve.

Also - your protein intake is low. You're hovering around 40g of protein a day by my estimates.

If you're actually getting 1800 calories a day and not what I'm estimating than I would think this is a hormonal issue and the burger/fries/soda gave you a tempory fix by lowering cortisol levels and increasing leptin levels.

EDIT
[Please note - I'm not a Dr and I don't play one on TV. If increasing calories doesn't help I'd try to see an endocronologist]

Chubbykins
09-04-2011, 03:39 PM
The carb portions I eat are about 300 calories each, 2 slices of square bread or 85gr of pasta/rice. I use portions from a lala cook book my mom gave me :D
Low carb isn't for me. I tried it and it made me lose my appetite, as in totaly. I want to lose healthy and slow, so I appreciate having an appetite.

I have an apointment with the endocrinologist this thursday. I would not leave this to chance of course. But just in case the tests are clean like the other ones in the hospital I wanted some ideas on what to change first in my diet.

My aunt (a skin-doctor hehe) said I might need a month of maintenance to let my body get used to being 19 pounds lighter before losing more. It isn't really her field but she might be right. What do you think?

Has anyone of you made maintenance breaks between losing? I mean on purpose and not plateaus.

JohnP
09-04-2011, 07:06 PM
So then by your math you're eating 1300 calories a day. Probably not so low that it would be causing this problem but it would be easy to raise your calories to see what effect it has.

Generally speaking there is no need to take a break if one is eating sufficient calories when you lose 19 lbs but what is sufficient in one person is not sufficient in the next. 1300 seems like it would be plenty but as I mentioned your protein intake is too low - but not WAY too low.

As for low carb not working - I don't see a problem with your fat intake being too low. It would be nice if you were supplemtning with omega 3 fish pills since your O6/O3 ratio is going to be really poor with your diet but that wouldn't cause your probem either.

As for breaks - I am a big believer in them personally but in most cases they are more for a psychological break than a needed physiological break but - your doctor may have more answers.

GlamourGirl827
09-04-2011, 07:17 PM
What Lucky72 said! When you become a vegetarian you can't just cut meat from tour diet, you really should add some of the things Lucky72 listed. I was vegetarian for years and vegan for little less than a year. Also you really need to have fat in your diet. A little olive oil on a salad or avocados . Maybe you'd benefit from seeing a nutritionist. They can help a lot! :)

kaplods
09-04-2011, 08:02 PM
Remember that routine bloodwork and x-rays can't tell you that you're perfectly healthy, they can only tell you that there were no obvious health problems (I learned this as a result of mysterious health issues that turned out to be fibromyalgia and autoimmune disease - but most of the routine tests were perfectly normal. It took a lot of persistance on my part and on my doctors' to discover the root issues).


I do think that fat, protein, salt, and/or calorie levels are the likeliest culprits (either one or several of them). You can start experimenting to see what helps.

More protein doesn't mean you have to return to meat, and nor does it mean that you need to follow a low-carb diet. For some reason, moderate-carb diets don't get much attention. I have to cut carbs significantly, but I don't feel well on a very low-carb diet. In the past, I always thought this meant that low-carb diets were bad AND (my bigger mistake) instead of choosing a moderately low or medium-level carb diet I would return to a very high-carb diet. I never tried "the middle."

I'm still learning what the ideal carb-level is for me, but I've definitely learned that it isn't very low-carb, and it isn't very-high carb.

Your protein, fat and calorie levels do seem to be quite low from what you've described. so you may literally just need to eat a little more. Maybe just eating more will help, or maybe you'll have to pinpoint what you're missing. You can try to do it on your own, but I'd really recommend consulting a dietitian.

Some people don't do well on a strict vegetarian diet, even when they do get adequate protein and vitamins. However you are eating some animal protein (the eggs and dairy), but you're eating a very low proportion of protein.

Sodium level still could be an issue, even if your blood levels of sodium were normal. Although I'd consider sodium only after exploring the other possibilities.

Because this is a pretty serious health issue, I wouldn't spend a lot of time experimenting on your own (unless you see dramatic improvement after upping your fat, calories and/or protein).

Regardless, I would also recommend seeing a dietitian (I'd recommend making sure the person has credentials. In the USA, anyone can call themselves a nutritionist even without any education at all. However, a dietician needs to be certified, meeting specific educational and experiential requirements and must pass the qualifying exam and may even need to meet continuing education requirements).

Physicians (at least in the US) don't get much if any nutrition education, in the course of earning their degree. So you may not find much help from the medical community.

I don't know if this is as true in Greece, but it's something to check up on. Make sure that the "expert" you consult really is an expert.

If it persists and doesn't respond rapidly to diet changes, you might consider seeing an endocrinologist because they would be familiar with hormonal and other endocrine problems and issues like diabetes, hypoglycemia, reactive hypoglycemia, thyroid and adrenal conditions....

runningfromfat
09-04-2011, 08:58 PM
I have to second (third, fourth etc ;) ) what many others are saying above. I would guess your fat/protein levels are too low. Some people can pull off high carb/low fat and protein diets but not everyone.

I used to be a vegetarian and at one point I just couldn't anymore. No matter how much fat/protein I would eat it just wasn't enough and I would get really weak/dizzy. While I like the idea of being a vegetarian I just couldn't pull it off. Incorporating meat back in my life really helped a lot. However, it sounds like for you I would start first working on getting much more fat and protein through cheese/eggs/avocados/beans/nuts etc.

I also agree with what kalpoids said. I'm basically doing lowish/moderately low carb. If I go really low carb I'm prone to cheating but where I'm at now seems to work well, although like she said it's always a balancing act.

TL0812
09-04-2011, 09:27 PM
I agree, protein might be your issue. I find if I am short on protein I get really tired and moody!