100 lb. Club - Fit or thin?




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Sophronia
08-31-2011, 12:15 AM
So, I was walking/running on the treadmill today, and the gym was crowded enough that I had to be on the treadmill right in the middle of two 20YO 115-lb gorgeous college women. And I noticed (cuz I'm both snoopy and ultra-competitive - not the most attractive of combinations, admittedly) that when I ran, I ran faster than they did. As in - they were each running at between 4.2-4.5 mph, and my top speed was 5.7 mph (which is a personal best for me in the past few years - yay!)

Now - there are lots of caveats here. I ran for between 2 and 3 minute stretches - they ran consistently. I also think they were just warming up for a volleyball game, whereas this was my work-out for the night. But, it got me thinking - which would I value more? Being fit? Or being thin?

I admit I still harbor some desire to be "the hot one." And I really dislike the prejudice and the impact my weight has on my job prospects, etc. But ...

I think I am finally mature enough to say that if I had to choose between them, I would choose being fit. No "cigarettes and cocaine" diets for me, thanks.

How about it? Fortunately, we can happily work for both goals simultaneously. But if you had to choose, which one would it be? "Fit and fat?" Or "cigarette and cocaine" thin?


MariaMaria
08-31-2011, 12:36 AM
How about thin without cigarettes and cocaine?

I see the attraction in assigning unhealthy behaviors to people maybe we're envious of, but on the other hand those grapes have calories even if they're sour, you know?

Sophronia
08-31-2011, 01:02 AM
Oh Maria! I'm interested that you were so offended by my question. I agree - thin without cigarettes and cocaine is both possible and desirable (and I think the women on the treadmill were both thin and fit, and I did label them "gorgeous" in the OP). Hence:

"Fortunately, we can happily work for both goals simultaneously."

I love a good discussion, and I really appreciate people who are both open-minded and can challenge the positions I take. It's a much more interesting discussion when it's actually responsive to what I've said, however. (I do acknowledge that I can get a little verbose, though, so I understand why you overlooked the central point of my post.)


karen Jane
08-31-2011, 01:13 AM
Fit. But to say thin is so easy. I actually had to think about it, lol.

MrsTee
08-31-2011, 01:24 AM
Me too, I love philosophical debates!! Its all hypothetical - but an interesting way to travel our road of weightloss together!


Fit or thin - oh my - I am shallow enough to say thin!!!!!!
That's my first reaction - but after 30 seconds I think health/fit is probably better. But interesting my first thought was overwhelmingly oh please let me be THIN!!!!


I heard a debate a while back about -
what would you do/feel if the wind changed and everyone had to stay just as they were that day. Fat Thin, grey haired whatever.
What would you feel?

Personally at the time I said relief ( that I did not have to diet or fret about dieting) NOW I'd say disappointment that I'd missed the chance to be thinner before the wind changed...

Lovely
08-31-2011, 03:30 AM
I guess my question is "How fat and fit?"

Because I've been up and over 300 pounds, and there wasn't any amount of exercise that was going to keep me personally very fit there.

Fitter than not working out, surely, but not fit.

Whereas, if my choice were "Okay, so you get down to about 200 lbs, which is still overweight and you're rocking the workouts and your food choices are fantastic." OR "Cocaine and Cigarettes and you get to be 150 lbs", then... yeah... 200 easy.

Of course, I'm also coming from the mindset that a size 16/200 pound me is a thin me, because I've been a size 24-26/331 pound me. :lol:

April Snow
08-31-2011, 08:10 AM
I think it's a false dichotomy. You can get thin in a healthy way or an unhealthy way. You can be a fit 200 lb person, and while that might be a great improvement depending on your starting point, that's still going to be more weight than most women want to carry.

Personally, I'm not going for skinny but I am also not interested at all in become muscular. And yes, I know I'd have to put a lot of focus and energy to building up those kinds of muscles but my point is that I have no interest in doing so - not just because of the time and effort but because I personally do not find it attractive.

My goal is fit and able to enjoy a good range of physical activities, but still a little bit soft and curvy in appearance. Kate Winslet, not Kate Middleton.

InsideMe
08-31-2011, 08:57 AM
Why can't I have both? LOL I don't wanna choose. I want to be fit AND thin! Trust me I've seen skinny fat, just cause you have small waist doesn't mean you have lean muscle, jiggly fat on skinny girls is not attractive! I'd rather firm fat on an overweight girl with some curves! So that's what I want, I want it all, thin, healthy and fit!

Thighs Be Gone
08-31-2011, 09:02 AM
Agreed fit AND thin.

As far as the smaller women running slower than you do--there could be lots of explanations. Maybe since they are younger they have faster metabolisms? Maybe they have had habits of eating substantially less than you have been? In my experience, diet plays a far more crucial part in weightloss than exercise.

dragonwoman64
08-31-2011, 09:41 AM
I'd imagine a responder's age influences his/her answer in this. I'm 47 and I say fit and healthy. I'm not a doctor, and can't say how much extra weight is "ok" healthwise. I have a significant amount I still want to lose. I do like muscles, though I'm in no danger of becoming a body builder, ha.

If someone said to me would you be willing to live with 20, 30, 40 extra pounds and be very healthy? or would you go with an ideal looking body and have health problems, I'd choose the the extra weight hands down.

Panacea86
08-31-2011, 09:43 AM
Thin.
I really have no desire to be "fit" as I know it. I aim to be flexible, and exercise enough to stay healthy, but fit...nah. I don't care to run marathons and be in the gym all the time.

carter
08-31-2011, 10:46 AM
Neither "thin" nor "fit" really suits the way I think about my goal. I usually say my goal is to be "trim and strong." I am possibly a bit atypical among women - but I don't have any desire to be slim, lithe, and willowy. I mean, slim, lithe, and willowy can be absolutely lovely on a woman who is suited by those characteristics. But I am not. I am a solidly built person, somewhat squat of build, with naturally wide hips and a large bust. Strength and a certain degree of bulk suit both my body type and my personality. (I don't put any stock in astrology, but for those of you who do, I am every inch a Taurus. ;))

So what I want is to be trim and strong, on the solidly built frame God gave me. I don't want a gap between my thighs (and I'd never get one, anyhow, even if I wanted it). I don't even mind the idea of my muscles bulking up with exercise, something a lot of women fear to such extremes that they avoid resistance training! I love what's happened to my arms through this process - my biceps look pumped and wonderfully curved, though the circumference of my arm is definitely smaller than it was when I was at my heaviest.

Sophronia
08-31-2011, 11:02 AM
Just to clarify - I have NO illusions that I am fitter than the women on the treadmills next to me. They ran at a steady pace far longer than I did, and I believe they were just warming up while I was putting everything on the line. It just got me pondering this question.

I agree so much with what Martini said. "Fit" has become a euphamism for "thin," and connotes so much more than the original meaning. That's, I think, the only thing that really does make the question a conundrum.

I guess I think of "fit" not as in "able to run marathons," so much as "able to run and play with my children or my friends." And I think Dragonwoman is exactly right. As much as I would love to look fab and get the favorable impressions that will lead to jobs and romantic opportunities, etc., I feel like I value the ability to do and feel good so much more at this point in my life!

And yes - it is a false dichotomy, April. I, personally, am extremely grateful that I don't have to choose between them. But it helps me to avoid the extreme lifestyle choices (not quite as extreme as "cocaine and cigarettes," but still probably not good for me at all) that might make me skinny, but will also jeopardize my health.

runningfromfat
08-31-2011, 11:21 AM
Neither "thin" nor "fit" really suits the way I think about my goal. I usually say my goal is to be "trim and strong." I am possibly a bit atypical among women - but I don't have any desire to be slim, lithe, and willowy. I mean, slim, lithe, and willowy can be absolutely lovely on a woman who is suited by those characteristics. But I am not. I am a solidly built person, somewhat squat of build, with naturally wide hips and a large bust. Strength and a certain degree of bulk suit both my body type and my personality. (I don't put any stock in astrology, but for those of you who do, I am every inch a Taurus. ;))

So what I want is to be trim and strong, on the solidly built frame God gave me. I don't want a gap between my thighs (and I'd never get one, anyhow, even if I wanted it). I don't even mind the idea of my muscles bulking up with exercise, something a lot of women fear to such extremes that they avoid resistance training! I love what's happened to my arms through this process - my biceps look pumped and wonderfully curved, though the circumference of my arm is definitely smaller than it was when I was at my heaviest.

This. Even when I was squarely at an ideal weight for my height I was never thin. Like carter I have a large bone structure, tend to be muscular and am very curvy to boot. I can pull off athletic very well. ;)

Now if you're asking the question "would you rather be fat and fit (to the extent that you can run without getting tired, walk extensively etc OR be skinny fat" it would really, really depend a lot on what your definition of fat was. I would choose "skinny fat" if the fat version was my starting weight. At 240lbs I could FEEL every pound extra on me even though I DID walk often and I even started running again at 225lbs. No way would I go back to that!

However, if you're talking about where I am now at 180lbs and fit vs. skinny fat, I'd probably pick where I am now. I'd definitely like to continue to drop the rest of the weight but I feel like I'm *almost* at the point where I could live with this if necessary (I don't want to but I could if given the choice). There's a pretty big difference to me between 240 and 180 in terms of health, ease of finding clothes, attractiveness, self-confidence, mobility, comfort etc.

0059500
08-31-2011, 11:22 AM
definitely thin. i spent my whole summer killing myself at the gym 6 days a week to get 'fit' but then when i stopped working out and just walked everywhere and dieted.. i ended up losing more weight and now my clothes are too big for me compared to when i was fit. i think it also depends on the body type because some women look better fit as opposed to thin.

aleigh3890
08-31-2011, 11:40 AM
I LOVE this topic. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE

This is the question I need to write down and keep with me daily haha.

I have been both. When I was younger I was always on crazyyy diets and struggled with eating disorders on and off for years. In turn, I was very very tiny. Lowest was just about 80 lbs at 5'2. Right now I'm 130 (and several years older) with a goal to slim back down to 120. For me those 10 lbs can come about in a healthy and fit way, or in a quicker, cocaine and cigs style.


As I read everyones posts I kept saying "thin" over and over again in my mind. But realistically, even though myself and some others thought or said that (even if just at first) we don't really chose that.

We all could be cocaine and cigs skinny. We could starve ourselves or put our bodies through insane diets and crashes to get down to our version of skinny, but we're not. We are here instead, listening and supporting each other as we try and lose weight the fit way, even if that just means healthy dieting.

So all in all, though every ounce of my body says thin, I know my answer is fit...

aleigh3890
08-31-2011, 11:42 AM
definitely thin. i spent my whole summer killing myself at the gym 6 days a week to get 'fit' but then when i stopped working out and just walked everywhere and dieted.. i ended up losing more weight and now my clothes are too big for me compared to when i was fit. i think it also depends on the body type because some women look better fit as opposed to thin.

I think both verisons of you are fit. One instance you're gym rat fit, and the other you're active healthy foods fit. It isn't that you said "screw the gym" and went on a liquid diet to bring your numbers down...so I'd say the smaller/thin you is just as fit but in a different way ;)

dragonwoman64
08-31-2011, 11:55 AM
So all in all, though every ounce of my body says thin, I know my answer is fit...

great answer. I've abused my body enough, now I just want to eat healthily and exercise so I enjoy it and it contributes to my mental and physical health.

I think walking is a great exercise, walking and eating healthily seems fit to me.

to OP find a treadmill near cute guys next time, ha! ;)

Arctic Mama
08-31-2011, 12:19 PM
Honestly, I'll take whatever one is easier, at this point :lol:

More seriously, I'd rather be fit, I suppose, than thin, but I have never seen these to be mutually exclusive.

Emme
08-31-2011, 12:42 PM
Good question. I'd rather be thin. I love exercise, and I do it because it helps get rid of the jigglies (plus it just feels so darn good), but in an honest head-space, I'd have to say thin. When I was 240 I was doing spinning classes, BodyPump classes, BodyStep classes, and I was keeping up with the rest of 'em, so I was pretty darn fit (for my standards) when I was overweight (granted, I wasn't healthy because I was so overweight, but I was pretty fit). Today, I still do spinning and all that good stuff, but my body is smaller weight-wise and I love the way I look today. So, I choose thin.

cajun moma
08-31-2011, 12:47 PM
Fit, but at a reasonable weight. (under 200)! :)

Latchkey Princess
08-31-2011, 12:49 PM
Thin.

It is what I find attractive, it's what I aspire to. I mean, sure, I would like to be able to run a mile or do 100 crunches, but if it came down to it I'd rather be androgynous and waif like than muscular or feminine. Honestly I find "heroin chic" to be extremely attractive.

I have to try and keep myself in check tho, these aspirations and views have caused me issues in the past with disordered eating.

rubidoux
08-31-2011, 01:51 PM
I want to look good, but I don't need that to be "thin". It is smaller than I am now, but probably not all that much smaller. I have sort of a stocky build and when I notice women that are attractive to me, they always have the same shape. I don't think of waify women as attractive. I actually feel a little horrified by the idea of being thin because I think our culture is so creepy and messed up about it. I would rather not be part of that problem to the extent I can help it (but I do think it's like racism, if you're raised in this culture you've got it, I'm afraid).

I would also like to be "fit," but I don't need an extreme level of fitness. I have NO desire to run marathons. But I would like to live a relatively long life. If all of my labs/blood pressure/etc came back good, and I could somehow know that I was in shape enough to live until I was hit by a bus or something, I wouldn't feel the need to get beyond that fitness level at all. I don't see "fit" as an end in itself.

FitGirlyGirl
08-31-2011, 01:57 PM
I agree with the comments about it depending on the definition of fat. I would not take my 245 pound self back no matter how fit. At the same time I would keep my 165 pound me who can lift weights and do zumba for hours over a 115 pound me who couldn't do those things.

I am not even really aiming for thin at this point. I don't know that I will ever get to 115, and even if I do I probably won't stay there because I will start working toward putting on more muscle. I am actually trying to do the dreaded bulking up. I don't want to go to the extremes of pro body builders, but that is mostly because I refuse to use steroids and do it in an unnatural way. I do plan to build as much muscle as my body will naturally allow though. I don't care what my scale says. I care what I can do, what my doc thinks, what I think when I look in the mirror, and what my husband thinks.

As for the guys going after the skinny chick instead of the 250 pound athlete, that's very true. However, those are probably not the type of guys the athlete wants anyhow. Besides that, there's so much more to life than attracting a guy. I'm married, but I am married to a guy who likes the look of a fat chick. I didn't let that stop me when I decided to do something about my health (and for me that is not a synonym for weight, I didn't care about my weight until the doc said I was diabetic). When I started I thought what I was doing might cause troubles and he might leave me, but keeping him wasn't worth shortening my life. Getting or keeping a man is not the most important thing in the world.

rubidoux
08-31-2011, 02:10 PM
As for the guys going after the skinny chick instead of the 250 pound athlete, that's very true. However, those are probably not the type of guys the athlete wants anyhow. Besides that, there's so much more to life than attracting a guy. I'm married, but I am married to a guy who likes the look of a fat chick. I didn't let that stop me when I decided to do something about my health (and for me that is not a synonym for weight, I didn't care about my weight until the doc said I was diabetic). When I started I thought what I was doing might cause troubles and he might leave me, but keeping him wasn't worth shortening my life. Getting or keeping a man is not the most important thing in the world.

So, so true fitgirlygirl! My husband thinks thin is the end all be all, both for himself and his partner. He's nice to me about it, but has admitted that he's embarrassed about my weight and would like for me to be thin. He was around 60 or 70 pounds over weight before he started losing a while back, and I *never* felt that way about him. To me, he was the same exact guy I married, and the extra weight didn't affect the way I saw him at all. Sigh... Anyhow, it has kinda made me wish that I had met him (or whoever was meant to be husband, if he couldn't handle it) fat. Attracting a guy with your tiny little waist may have its pitfalls. And like you said, it might not attract the kind of guy you want anyhow. All of this said -- I have no desire to be thin for him. Quite the opposite, I'd rather not be thin and see if he can rise to the occasion.

SnowboundChick
08-31-2011, 02:50 PM
Definitely fit and healthy.

CherryPie99
08-31-2011, 03:12 PM
Not even a contest for me - fit.

celly123
08-31-2011, 03:28 PM
My GOAL is to be fit and healthy and a reasonable size. My DREAM is to be thin as a freakin swimsuit model while retaining my boobs and butt.

So thin I guess haha.

MrsTee
08-31-2011, 07:42 PM
There are 250lb female athletes who could kick all sorts of butt in whatever sporting arena they find themselves at home in. Put a dress on one of them and sit her down in a bar next to her 125lb friend. How likely is it that a guy is going to look at her and think "oh, the heavier woman is so much fitter than the thin one next to her!" before coming over to buy one of them a drink? Who is he more likely to buy a drink for? Put a business suit on that same 250lb athlete and see if "healthy" is the first word that pops into a hiring manager's mind when she's sitting on the other side of an interview table.


Martini - this is SOOOO correct - I have watched Danni Samuels current world discus champion grow up, she is a close family friend.
Now this is a mega fit 23 year old. And she is not a big blobby girl, she is tall - 6foot ish, and a fabulously big strong athlete with greath technical skill. AND SHE IS FIT!!!! Unbelievably fit, and not "fat" at all. This is the link to an article on her.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/star-turn/story-e6frg8h6-1225851498359

She is totally beautiful, and a world champion athlete - but does she conform to society's most converted image of " stick thin" - no way! Put her beside a movie star...
And I'm guessing she would not be the first one in that bar noticed by men...

runningfromfat
08-31-2011, 07:54 PM
Martini - this is SOOOO correct - I have watched Danni Samuels current world discus champion grow up, she is a close family friend.
Now this is a mega fit 23 year old. And she is not a big blobby girl, she is tall - 6foot ish, and a fabulously big strong athlete with greath technical skill. AND SHE IS FIT!!!! Unbelievably fit, and not "fat" at all. This is the link to an article on her.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/star-turn/story-e6frg8h6-1225851498359

She is totally beautiful, and a world champion athlete - but does she conform to society's most converted image of " stick thin" - no way! Put her beside a movie star...
And I'm guessing she would not be the first one in that bar noticed by men...

Yeah, I don't think she's going to have any problems getting men to notice her, she's very pretty!

I just checked her weight 82kg, which is pretty much exactly what I weigh but she's also 182cm (so just under 6ft tall) so she's still at a healthy BMI range, not fat at all (especially since she's very muscular too)!

ETA: if that is the definition of fit vs thin here, sign me up! :lol:

toastedsmoke
08-31-2011, 09:53 PM
This is a hard question because I don't particularly have a desire to be soooo THIN or sooooo FIT that I would be called "thin" or "fit". I would like moderately thin and moderately fit, like maybe skinny fat but able to run up the stairs without being breathless? If I was pushed (like something terrible would happen if I didn't make a decision), I guess I'd pick thin over fit. Just being honest. Even though it's not the PC thing to say. The fact of the matter is that to me exercise and fitness is more of a habit than something I enjoy. I have been large for so long, that I kind of have no choice but to try to do a little strength training so that my 25-yr-old body doesn't come out so ravaged when I get to goal. The truth of the matter is that whilst I don't mind having aerobic fitness, I don't particularly like the toned look with the cuts delineating muscle etc but that's kind of what I have to go for now, to try and limit the saggyness as I approach goal.

I guess to be honest with myself and with you all, I haven't put in all this effort just to be fit. I could have achieved fit 40lbs ago. I don't watch my diet for fitness' sake. I have zero aspirations to be an athlete of any kind or that super fit person in the gym. Maybe as I get older my answer will change, but for right now, really I just want to be smaller (no smaller than size 6-8ish) and somewhat fit (aerobically) in that order.