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runningfromfat
08-29-2011, 10:27 AM
Like many others on here I go through times where I'm really hungry and times when I'm not hungry at all. Besides TOM and illness I haven't found any real correlation to anything that is causing this to happen.

That being said, I was sick for a good long while and I basically have no appetite when I'm sick. I actually lose a lot of weight quickly because of that. I'm better now and I'm STARVING. It's not even that I want to eat but after eating a full meal I'll still want more. Case in point, this morning I ate a good sized breakfast (I eat the same thing every day!) but I even added in an extra egg because I was hungry. Well, after eating breakfast I'm still HUNGRY. :mad:

This has been going on for almost a week now. I hate this feeling of constantly being hungry. I've been eating really well on plan, making sure that I'm getting my food from lean meats, veggies, fruits and whole grains but nothing seems to help. :?: After every meal I feel like I need more! I haven't shrunk my portion sizes or anything.

I hate this, I want to be creating a calorie deficit, I really want to continue to lose weight but I'm so incredibly uncomfortable now. I saw a nutritionist last week and she told me some things to change but that was right at the end of me being sick (so before this insane hunger) and I won't have a meeting with her for another week so what do I do in the meantime?


sacha
08-29-2011, 11:08 AM
Unfortunately calorie deficit almost always leads to hunger, whether it's physical hunger or people getting used to the very normal feeling of "not full" ~ people use various strategies (diet pop, sugar free gum, crossword puzzles) but at the end of the day, you do whatever you can to "embrace the suck".

berryblondeboys
08-29-2011, 11:12 AM
Like many others on here I go through times where I'm really hungry and times when I'm not hungry at all. Besides TOM and illness I haven't found any real correlation to anything that is causing this to happen.

That being said, I was sick for a good long while and I basically have no appetite when I'm sick. I actually lose a lot of weight quickly because of that. I'm better now and I'm STARVING. It's not even that I want to eat but after eating a full meal I'll still want more. Case in point, this morning I ate a good sized breakfast (I eat the same thing every day!) but I even added in an extra egg because I was hungry. Well, after eating breakfast I'm still HUNGRY. :mad:

This has been going on for almost a week now. I hate this feeling of constantly being hungry. I've been eating really well on plan, making sure that I'm getting my food from lean meats, veggies, fruits and whole grains but nothing seems to help. :?: After every meal I feel like I need more! I haven't shrunk my portion sizes or anything.

I hate this, I want to be creating a calorie deficit, I really want to continue to lose weight but I'm so incredibly uncomfortable now. I saw a nutritionist last week and she told me some things to change but that was right at the end of me being sick (so before this insane hunger) and I won't have a meeting with her for another week so what do I do in the meantime?

Your body is trying to recuperate what it lost while you were sick. It felt and knew you were getting too little food when sick and it spent a LOT of energy while you were sick. Now that you are better, but body is starving.

I think you may find is that you need to eat a bit more while your body heals/recovers from your illness. You may 'feel' OK, but your body is depleted. Try to make it good quality foods (that's what your body needs), but you really may need to eat a bit more. That big loss when you were sick was an artificial loss, so regaining a wee bit of it might be realistic/warranted, even if you don't want to see a gain on the scale.


Sued1971
08-29-2011, 12:30 PM
Your body is trying to recuperate what it lost while you were sick. It felt and knew you were getting too little food when sick and it spent a LOT of energy while you were sick. Now that you are better, but body is starving.

I think you may find is that you need to eat a bit more while your body heals/recovers from your illness. You may 'feel' OK, but your body is depleted. Try to make it good quality foods (that's what your body needs), but you really may need to eat a bit more. That big loss when you were sick was an artificial loss, so regaining a wee bit of it might be realistic/warranted, even if you don't want to see a gain on the scale.

I agree with this. I know a lot of people who say "well at least I lost __pounds." when they are sick. I don't say that because I've never kept them off.

BUT I wonder after learning more about thirst and hunger, if you are not in fact dehydrated a bit from being sick. I would try drinking a big glass of water after you meal a waiting a bit to see if that helps (at least) as much as eating something else.

runningfromfat
08-29-2011, 02:54 PM
Thanks everyone for the advice. I have been drinking TONS of water and also trying to eats lots of fruit/veggies so I'm hoping it's not dehydration because it's hard to drink even more! :lol:

I have upped the amount of food I'm eating for these few days (although I'm still hungry afterwards :dizzy:). I'm really trying to make sure I'm getting in good calories and not just go crazy eating crap. I also took a vitamin during the entire time I was ill in the hopes that would help. I don't calorie count but I do estimate my in take sometimes and that puts me at about 1600-1800/day. When I was sick I tried to estimate what I was getting in and it was more like 1200/day, which is quite a bit lower. ;)

I was sick between a cold and the flu for almost a month and some of my measurements have gone down too so I tend to think some of it was actual weight loss but probably not all of it. ;) I'm still waiting for the fluctuations to die down to figure out where I'm at (right now I seem to be going from 181-182 a lot. I think part of it too is that I've been REALLY active since Friday. I started working out again on Friday and then over the weekend we finally got caught up on a bunch of errands that we didn't do while we were all sick and since we don't have a car that =lots of walking.

One thing that did really help today was eating a very spicy lunch. That always seems to help with hunger so maybe I'll eat spicy food this week until my body's back to normal.

JayEll
08-29-2011, 03:07 PM
Maybe if you posted one day's meals we could see better what you're eating and make some suggestions. :)

Jay

runningfromfat
08-29-2011, 03:19 PM
Today so far:

Breakfast
2 pieces of whole wheat toast
~tsp butter
1 egg+onions+mushrooms (I did have two today because I was so hungry!)
drizzled pan with olive oil just so egg wouldn't burn
100 cal of cheese (not a type you'd be familiar with in the states)
1bl milk (in coffee)

snack: pear and slice of watermelon

Lunch
Whole grain noodles
ground beef
various veggies (cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, etc)
cooked with a bit of olive oil (about a tbl but that was for the whole thing and I only ate about 1/3 of it)

Snack: haven't had it yet but probably 1/4 cup cottage cheese+small apple cut up+cinnamon

Dinner: probably the leftovers from lunch+some fruit

I used to eat just eggs+veggies for breakfast but my nutritionist wants me to eat more whole grains so, eh, hence the toast and cheese there (she actually said that exact breakfast). She also wants me to work on eating more fruit so I have been eating more than normal.

I suppose it could be the addition of more fruit and whole grains too? I forgot to mention in the OP that that was one thing the nutritionist wanted me to change.

berryblondeboys
08-29-2011, 03:26 PM
Today so far:

Breakfast
2 pieces of whole wheat toast
~tsp butter
1 egg+onions+mushrooms (I did have two today because I was so hungry!)
drizzled pan with olive oil just so egg wouldn't burn
100 cal of cheese (not a type you'd be familiar with in the states)
1bl milk (in coffee)

snack: pear and slice of watermelon

Lunch
Whole grain noodles
ground beef
various veggies (cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, etc)
cooked with a bit of olive oil (about a tbl but that was for the whole thing and I only ate about 1/3 of it)

Snack: haven't had it yet but probably 1/4 cup cottage cheese+small apple cut up+cinnamon

Dinner: probably the leftovers from lunch+some fruit

I used to eat just eggs+veggies for breakfast but my nutritionist wants me to eat more whole grains so, eh, hence the toast and cheese there (she actually said that exact breakfast). She also wants me to work on eating more fruit so I have been eating more than normal.

I suppose it could be the addition of more fruit and whole grains too? I forgot to mention in the OP that that was one thing the nutritionist wanted me to change.

Well, adding whole grains could be what's making you hungrier. makes me hungrier. And for me, having blood sugar issues, I simply have to avoid whole grains altogether (not taht I've ben very good abotu that the past few weeks).

PacSunMama
08-29-2011, 03:34 PM
I think you need more protein in your diet, it will keep you fuller for longer. I get my protein from greek yogurt, cottage cheese (which I put in everything- make pancakes with it, protein milkshakes that are actually delicious, and protein shakes from a powder mixed with water.) The days that my diet is 25-30% protein, it's incredibly easy to stick to my plan and I lose a lot of weight that week too.

April Snow
08-29-2011, 03:35 PM
agree with BBB - if you are adding in grains and fruit into what sounds like a low carb plan, those will likely make you feel more hunger. Maybe you can dial those back down a little bit and add them in more gradually? I think it's definitely something to work with your nutritionist on, to find the right balance for you between adding these foods back in, and not letting them make you too hungry.

in the meantime, I would make sure you are drinking lots of water and try things like drinking tea or chewing gum to see if they help.

runningfromfat
08-29-2011, 04:26 PM
Hmm... good point. I'll try to maybe ease back on the whole grains a bit (somewhere between where I was before and what I'm doing now) and see if that helps.

PacSunMama- I do get a lot of protein in (the few times I've calorie counted I normally get way over the daily amount needed ;) ). I eat eggs for breakfast and meat at every meal and often have cottage cheese as a snack. In general, I tend to eat a fair amount of red meat because chicken/fish don't fill me up as much.

JOLINA
08-29-2011, 08:33 PM
I have found that eating a can of Campbell's Chunky soup kills my hunger.

:eating2:

And if I eat a boiled egg with 1/2 Tablespoon regular mayonnaise, that also does the trick all night long.

:easter:

I WANT IT ALL!
AND I WANT IT SMOTHERED IN WHIPPED CREAM AND CHOCOLATE.
:m:..:m:..:hb:..:m:..:m:

LeslieB
08-29-2011, 08:53 PM
What does your nutritionist say about the added hunger? Grains seem to be a 'trigger' food for alot of people as previously stated. The plan hubby and I are on is a 7 stage plan with grains added last and even certain types of grains added even later so the dietitian can determine if we get triggered by certain grains.

twinieten
08-29-2011, 09:30 PM
Lots of good ideas from everyone. Here are a few things that work for me, sometimes:

- green tea, hot or cold. I'll fill my water bottle with green tea instead of water, sometimes
- lemon in water. I'll put a wedge of lemon in my water bottle and drink that all day.
- Hot lemon water
- Hot coffee with flavored Stevia in it
- Hot broth.

yoyoma
08-29-2011, 11:22 PM
Grains are a trigger food for me too. And fruit to a lesser extent. I'm concerned that the nutritionist may be offering good advice for the general population that isn't as good for you in particular. Unfortunately, you may need to become the expert on yourself and find sources for the nutrients you need that work for you.

rubidoux
08-30-2011, 01:18 AM
I used to eat just eggs+veggies for breakfast but my nutritionist wants me to eat more whole grains so, eh, hence the toast and cheese there (she actually said that exact breakfast). She also wants me to work on eating more fruit so I have been eating more than normal.

I suppose it could be the addition of more fruit and whole grains too? I forgot to mention in the OP that that was one thing the nutritionist wanted me to change.

I'm wondering why your nutritionist wants you to do this. Adding those foods would be the end of me. My therapist, just this morning, was saying "well maybe you could have just half a bagel..." But the problem with that is all the food that comes AFTER the bagel.

Also, I couldn't ever do low fat like you're doing because I'd be hungry. I don't eat all that many cals, but a lot of them are fat, otherwise I'd never make it. I can make it on 1200 cals fine if it's 60-70% fat -- and never feel hungry, even when my daily feeding comes around.

runningfromfat
08-30-2011, 11:17 AM
Thanks everyone for your comments and ideas!

I tried cutting back to one piece of bread this morning and adding an egg. I also skipped the fruit. Well, it's an hour away from lunch and I'm fine!!!! :D I think that extra piece of bread+fruit, and cutting back too much on the eggs was really doing a number on me. It was crazy because I really felt panicky because of how deprived I felt. :dizzy:

As to why the nutritionist suggested that? Well, I honestly think it's probably a cultural thing. I live in a country where rice and bread are MAJOR stables of the diet and the S. Beach Diet is pretty much unheard of here. I'm going to try talking to her about it more. She did have some suggestions that have worked well for me (switching from a piece of bacon to using olive oil to help make my eggs in the morning, working on portion sizes etc).

I actually did tell her I had doubts about adding in the bread but she tried telling me that if it was whole grain that it would be fine. Turns out it wasn't.

Ugh, and one complaint. I was on the bus today and there was a lady on there hacking up a lung and not covering her mouth at all. I'm so scared that I'm going to get sick AGAIN! It's already been a month, I just can't stand this anymore. I washed my hands the second I got to work, and am drinking water like crazy too. I'm also planning on going to bed early tonight just in the hopes of avoiding another cold.

runningfromfat
09-13-2011, 02:15 PM
I had my follow-up meeting with my nutritionist and we talked about some of the problems that I was having with hunger. She actually suggested moving that bread to later on in the day and I could then eat the egg+cheese or yogurt in the morning because she wanted me to have a more balanced meal. That should work fine. She's making sure I eat regular snacks that combine fruit with protein. I started today and I definitely feel full!

She really did a great job looking at my lifestyle and making small changes. I totaled up the calories for today (well, with what I'm planning on eating for dinner) just to see an example and it was under 1400 and I really do feel satisfied at this point and feel like it's doable.

One thing that she has me doing is having more variety in my meals and taking a small amount of each food group (with the exception of veggies where I can eat what I want). I go back in a little less than 2 months so here's hoping I make some good progress in terms of weight loss!!!

JayEll
09-13-2011, 02:59 PM
Hey, that's great! I'm glad you were able to get some help from your nutritionist!

Jay

April Snow
09-13-2011, 04:36 PM
that's really good news - it's nice to hear about a nutritionist who really listens and who helps you figure out the right plan that works for YOU rather than just doling out the same plan to everyone.

puneri
09-13-2011, 05:27 PM
Oh yes.
I was wondering why am I feeling hungry constantly today and I got the answer. I had oatmeal for break fast. had cottage cheese, yogurt, vege, rice and lentils for lunch. Felt hungry again so had snack of turkey meat balls and yogurt. one more snack of peanut chikki. This never happens.
The reason is I did not have meat for lunch and no green tea after lunch. And lots of carbs.
Thank you evryone. This is one good support group.

josey
09-13-2011, 05:53 PM
Soup! I think some chicken noodle soup or something broth based would help.
1. It is filling
2. Warming
3. Good for recovering
4. Usually low fat/cal (thinking of broth with veggies for example)

Edit: Sorry didn't see the second page of posts before I answered.

boomerang
09-13-2011, 05:57 PM
I was wondering, have you had this experience previously with the foods you mentioned? The reason I ask is because whenever I tried to eat a healthy, well balanced diet, I have been RAVENOUS! I agree that your illness probably played a great part in the way in which your system has been functioning recently but is your hunger immediately after meals something new? I've repeatedly reported to my MD that I feel like I have holes in my stomach, to such an extent that I've considered the possibility that I have an ulcer (NOT the case :o). Generally speaking, this has always happened to me with fruit especially and vegetables to a lesser degree. I've always been amazed to hear that these items, due to the high fiber content should keep me full. Not the case for me.
You have had such success with wt. loss that I wonder if you still find out new things about the way your system works, meaning, are you finding that there are unexpected changes/reactions to different food groups or do you think this was somewhat of an isolated and temporary incident that resulted from your illness?
I am also impressed that your nutritionist listened and offered individualized recommendations. I was so desperate that I saw one a few years ago and he did not want to hear anything about my needs, my positive coping mechanisms, the reactions I had to certain foods. He had a one size fits all diet and exercise program and completely disregarded my strengths and weaknesses.
Totally with you on the concern re. your fellow bus traveler and ....sorry. Hope you escaped a new onslaught of illness. :flow1:

runningfromfat
09-13-2011, 07:35 PM
Yes, I think I really lucked out with the nutritionist. I think it helps that she used to be overweight and also used to have problems binging with sugar so I feel that that helps her to listen more. ;)

puneri- I'm really glad this thread helped you to figure out what you needed to change in your plan. I really need meat too!

josey- no problem. ;) I do actually eat a good amount of soup, yum!

boomerang- I'll answer your post in a separate post because it'll take longer. :)

runningfromfat
09-13-2011, 07:49 PM
I was wondering, have you had this experience previously with the foods you mentioned?

YES. This has been an ongoing issue for me and one of the main reasons I don't, generally, calorie count (I'll do it for a couple of days at a time but not every day) because it makes me think about food even more and makes me even hungrier.

I've changed my plan a lot since the very beginning. When I started I realized I had a MAJOR problem with sugar and would eat it uncontrollably. I cut it out cold turkey and I quickly learned that sugar was actually making me much hungrier. That worked well for awhile but then I realized white flour was causing similar issues so I switched to whole wheat everything. I keep tweaking my plan whenever this issue arises again and it was one major reason that I went to a nutritionist in the first place (that and my weight loss was really slow, 2lbs/month, and we're hoping to TTC soon so I want to be at a healthy weight before then).

Generally speaking, this has always happened to me with fruit especially and vegetables to a lesser degree. I've always been amazed to hear that these items, due to the high fiber content should keep me full. Not the case for me.

I think a bit thing for me is that I can't just eat fruit/bread separately. I also appear to have a limit to how many grains/fruit I can add to my meals. My nutritionist had me add in 1/4 -1/2 cup brown rice to both lunch and dinner (I can exchange it for a few other things but rice is the easiest for me). Alone it would be BAD but I eat it with black beans, lots of veggies and a serving of meat. That was another thing that I learned was that I was underestimating a serving size of meat! So I actually get to eat more of it at my meals. :D

A common snack for me is cottage cheese+fruit (if i use an apple I add in some cinnamon too). Eating the fruit mixed with cottage cheese seems to prevent hunger spikes for me afterwards.


You have had such success with wt. loss that I wonder if you still find out new things about the way your system works, meaning, are you finding that there are unexpected changes/reactions to different food groups or do you think this was somewhat of an isolated and temporary incident that resulted from your illness?

No, like I said above it's been an ongoing issue and is normally a sign that something with my plan needs to change. For instance, earlier in the summer I realized that timing played a big role in my hunger. I appear to be someone who needs to eat meals closer together in order to prevent hunger. The nutritionist actually added in scheduled snacks and I have a feeling that's one thing that's finally contributing to me feeling full! ;)


I am also impressed that your nutritionist listened and offered individualized recommendations. I was so desperate that I saw one a few years ago and he did not want to hear anything about my needs, my positive coping mechanisms, the reactions I had to certain foods. He had a one size fits all diet and exercise program and completely disregarded my strengths and weaknesses.
Totally with you on the concern re. your fellow bus traveler and ....sorry. Hope you escaped a new onslaught of illness. :flow1:

I'm really sorry that you had such a bad experience! Are there any other ones that you could go to? Maybe you could call ahead of time and ask a few questions to get a feel for the person. I have to say that mine has been invaluable. We moved abroad this year and I was really struggling to make healthy food choices because some of my go-to foods from the US were too expensive to buy here (or not available at all) so we've had to change our diet quite a bit (and I'm learning to cook a lot from scratch!!). My nutritionist was able to point me in the right direction in terms of local foods/brands.

boomerang
09-14-2011, 12:23 PM
Ms. Running, wow, you were so very generous with your answer, thank you so much! :hug:
Your details help me a lot. I've had very similar experiences and due to the fact that I've always lost wt. very fast, BY STARVING myself, followed by a similarly quick regain by binging, the things I learned about myself were ... vague to say the least. This, coupled with the fact that, knowing that I was always eating unhealthy food, I did not "trust" my system's responses to what was considered healthy food, resulted in a mish-mash of beliefs and myths that have always interfered with a permanent set of interventions I could apply securely to my weight loss and maintenance. I find that 2# a month works well for me though not unlike most people, I would probably like it to move faster while still consuming the calories and foods that nourish my body. I think your motivation (TTC) is such a worthy and exciting one and I too hope you will be pleased with your success, by then. :bb:

I am not even TRYING to include the items that trigger hunger pangs to the extent that I think I have holes in my stomach similar to an ulcer, until the end of the day. Even eaten in combination with protein/fat, they still make me hungry but I now accept that I need to include them in my diet so I will. Just needed to figure out when. Glad that you and your nutritionist were able to make it work for you.
How great that shifting meal times and adding snack times has worked so well for you. I have JUST had an epiphany about what I need to do, to side step the problems I've been having. As I said, I've completely stopped paying attention to the things I knew, from experience, about what I needed and did not trust my body and the times it functioned at its best. Coming here made some things fall into place for me and "formulaically" I believe I may have FINALLY figured it out. About time...:(... it only took me 40 years!

I am so very impressed with your ability to juggle a move such as this and still do what you needed to do, in order to take care of yourself and to prepare for the future. Some would probably have used this event as a license to 'stress eat'. Your suggestion about interviewing nutritionists before hauling my behind 40 min. each way to find a good but inflexible one (and I don't mean that because he had a one plan fits all approach but because he did not apply the "first do no harm" theory), is an excellent one. I will definitely do that if I find that this effort does not produce results. I went to the first one 3 times ( IN ONE WEEK, as he insisted!) so I feel like I'm still suffering from a bit of PTSD re. the experience :o. A bit melodramatic, I know, but what can I say...:p
Again, thank you so much for the time and effort you put in your response. Please believe that not a single word has been wasted. I've absorbed it all and am applying the information positively. Hope you are getting back to normal healthwise. :goodvibes:goodvibes

runningfromfat
09-14-2011, 12:39 PM
boomerang- I'm glad to hear that my experience was able to help you and give you some ideas on how to proceed. I will say, though, that I really need a good long detox period before I could even consider adding in some of my worse trigger foods. I went about 6 months without pretty much ANY sugar at all ( I can probably count on one hand the number of times I had sugar in that period). I did bake some treats with natural sweeteners but not too often. However, my sugar issues were by far the worse.

It's still not a perfect balance in that I can't keep any "good" sugar in the house (i.e. chocolate, I can ignore Nerds or something like that all day without any problems) but it's a world of difference from where I started (eating an entire bag of chocolate chips in 1-2 days :o ).

Definitely work on finding your trigger foods. Some certainly can be worse than others so work on those first. ;) Like you I've lost weight in the past but this was the first time that I've lost a large amount of weight and have really stuck to it. I think 3FC is part of it because I've had encouragement to stick with it even when I wasn't losing. I also put away any expectations of quick weight loss, which has kept me going the right direction, even if it wasn't quickly!

I get the whole PTSD. There are a number of people here who have lost large amounts of weight on their own, so it's not necessarily a necessity. I'm really glad I went that route (and, only started seeing her a couple of weeks ago, really) but I think this will help me reach my goal (maybe even a bit quicker than I originally thought ;) ).

boomerang
09-14-2011, 01:42 PM
Ms. R :hug: I understand COMPLETELY! Luckily for me, my trigger foods (simple carbs not including fruit), are ones that I will need to reduce to an absolute minimum (holidays only), due to reasons that go way beyond wt. at this point but have to do with health. It is not even a question of re-introducing them. I just plain need to eliminate them with those few exceptions I mentioned.
Being here may be the lynchpin for me too. I've already benefited from some information, including yours, that has made decades of struggle re. some issues, fall into place. When I look at the results that you and other members have achieved, it makes the journey IMPOSSIBLE NOT to follow.