General Diet Plans and Questions - apple cider vinegar for weight loss




RKS
08-21-2011, 03:05 PM
Has anyone here tried loosing weight with apple cider vinegar? I heard it helps in weight loss.


envelope
08-27-2011, 02:27 PM
My husband decided to try an apple cider vinegar shot....ONCE. The kids got a kick out of watching his face.

kaplods
08-27-2011, 09:36 PM
Apple cider fasts and diets have been around at least since the 50's.

One of the side effects that is often reported is foul, dirty gym-sock like body odor. I tried it in high school or college, but it was so unpleasant, I didn't stick with it long enough to experience the body odor.


JoJoJo2
08-27-2011, 10:10 PM
It's been around much longer than since the 50's. I remember people talking about it in my childhood, which would be in the 30's. :) You've got to use the vinegar with the "mother" in it, that much I know. Braggs makes a vinegar that supposedly works for weight loss, but it sure is nothing I want to try.

Some "old timers" claim it works. Maybe it did, I dunno.

I'd rather use the old idea of 'eat less, move more' which has worked for me and countless other individuals.

There's lots of good diets out there that have proved to be healthy. I find that apple cider vinegar has many uses, but I'm not convinced that weight loss is one of them. :wave:

Unthinkables
08-27-2011, 10:31 PM
Raw apple cider vinegar is the only acceptable vinegar to consume on a regular basis.


However, this is true. Raw apple cider vinegar can help weight loss. It doesn't make you "drop the pounds" or "burn fat", but it helps promote optimal digestion and helps the growth of healthy bacteria in the body.


If you drink some mixed with water 20 minutes before you eat, it helps cellular cleansing, which means it will help cleanse the digestive track and promote bowel movements (lol)


But I'm serious about it being raw or "unfiltered" Pasteurized apple cider vinegar does not have any of these healing properties!!

MariaMaria
08-28-2011, 02:01 AM
Cellular cleansing?

Exactly what do you think is dirty, cellularly, and how does vinegar clean it? Is it like using vinegar and newspapers on the windows?

Unthinkables
08-28-2011, 04:10 AM
Cellular cleansing?

Exactly what do you think is dirty, cellularly, and how does vinegar clean it? Is it like using vinegar and newspapers on the windows?



Well, first, let's look at what vinegar is. If you get the definition it's going to say something along the lines of acidic liquid produced from the fermentation of ethanol. And often it will include the pH balance of this diluted fermented acidic liquid. But what does this mean for the body?


If we remember from high school chemistry class, pH stands for "power of hydrogen" and is used to determine the concentration of hydrogen ions in a solution. The balance between acidic and alkalinity is the pH balance. The higher the pH number, the more alkaline it is.


Ideally, the human body is slightly more alkaline and must stay there for us to stay healthy. The foods we eat directly effect every part of our body.


So, one of the first reasons apple cider vinegar will aid one in weight loss is it's ability to help our pH balance. Just because it essentially acidic how this can be- chemical reactions take place when we digest food. And it is not the taste of a food that makes it acidic or alkaline, it's the residue it leaves behind.


Secondly, apple cider vinegar is fermented! That means it is LOADED with enzymes. What are enzymes? Again if we get a definition, it will say something along the lines of


"a substance produced by a living organism that acts as a catalyst to bring about a specific biochemical reaction. Most enzymes are proteins; some enzymes control reactions within cells and some, such as the enzymes involved in digestion, outside them. "


I should've prefaced "cellular cleansing" with some specific information. Along our intestines there are villi, which are a lines the walls of our intestines that help absorb nutrients.


With these enzymes causing a positive chemical change in our bodies also allows us to achieve optimal absorption. Villus will collect these amino acids and sugars. Enzymes are proteins. And the villi help carry these absorbed proteins into the blood stream.


So, it provides us with essential nutrients while literally cleansing the intestines.

nelie
08-28-2011, 09:11 AM
The thing is, from chemistry class, enzymes are very specific. You can't just say something with any enzymes will help anything that uses enzymes.

Also, from biology class, you may remember that homeostasis is very important to the body and our pH does not change, not even slightly. Eating a certain food will not change it.

What is proven scientifically? Vinegar, in general, slows the emptying of the stomach which may help you feel full and will also reduce the impact to blood sugar which means less insulin released into the blood at a single time.

Negatives of vinegar. It can erode your tooth enamel and burn your esophagus if taken too frequently.

Unthinkables
08-28-2011, 04:28 PM
Well actually, you're wrong. pH balance can be effected to a degree. (Meats and grains lower pH as they're more acidic while fruits and vegetables raise it as if it's more alkaline).

nelie
08-28-2011, 06:19 PM
I've never seen anything that has said cells in our bodies change pH. Our kidneys (and lungs) help regulate our pH which is why our urine can have slight differences in pH but that doesn't mean the body has a change in pH. In the case of diseases or extreme conditions, it is possible to be slightly too basic or too acidic but that has nothing to do with food. Too much change results in death, which is why it is closely regulated by the body.

Here is a quick overview of alkaline of foods courtesy of quackwatch
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

The following are detailed info on how the body regulates pH
http://www.brynmawr.edu/chemistry/Chem/Chem104lc/buffers.html
http://www.chemistry.wustl.edu/~edudev/LabTutorials/Buffer/Buffer.html (this one talks about exercise which would modify pH if the body didn't regulate it)

Expunge
08-29-2011, 01:05 PM
As nelie said, the foods we eat do not systemically alter our pH - if they did, we'd be dead. Cells are incredibly sensitive to pH and even a few tenths of a point of difference in pH can result in catastrophe.

Bellamack
08-29-2011, 01:13 PM
My mother died of Septic Shock, her blood became acidic and it killer her in less than 24 hrs.

Some thinks can change your body's pH ever so slightly ie Birth Contron Pills

Bellamack
08-29-2011, 01:14 PM
sorry about my typing errors, I have a huge band aid on one of my fingers. lol

mzKiki
08-29-2011, 01:31 PM
I've tried it before. A teaspoon in a 20 ounce bottle of water sipped throughout the day. I did feel a little better, and managed to lose some weight above the pound or 2 that I had been losing already.
Too much can be harmful though esp to tooth enamel as someone else mentioned.
They also have ACV pills that you can take although I'm not too sure how effective they may be.

kaplods
08-29-2011, 03:34 PM
The ph diet "logic" doesn't make any sense.

Most of the self-proclaimed experts who claim that illness and obesity can be cured by changing the body's ph (assuming it were possible). They argue that our diet is too acidic.

If that were the case, then drinking an acetic acid solution (vinegar) would make absolutely no sense, whatsoever. If our problem is too much acid, then how can more acid be a benefit?

Unthinkables
08-31-2011, 09:32 AM
It's not so much about targeting obesity with some conjured cure ie alkaline foods. It's about eating the closest to nature possible. And in nature, foods are made for our bodies, and they HAPPEN to be alkaline.

Eating alkaline foods WILL definitely improve one's health.




When ever considering new ideas, it's important to look at past discretions and the source of your information. An example of this would be how sick some foods make us, yet they're recommended by doctors.


Unless someone is a nutritionist, a doctor hardly focuses on nutrition as a cure for anything. Western medicine is based around the idea that germs from the outside make us sick, rather than realize that disease starts within. One must have a breeding ground for most diseases...



Incidentally, this breeding ground happens to be acidic. When you look fact by fact, it can blur the whole picture. Think about what FAT is.




However, it will continued to be debated. I say, there's conflicting opinions- rely on your own experience. All the answers reside in the conclusion.

nelie
08-31-2011, 11:54 AM
I tend to look to places like the NIH, Mayo Clinic, Journal of the American Dietetic Association, etc for my information on nutrition and diet. You can find a variety of journal articles at the NIH site from various research including research into what you might call alternative medicine.

If you have any research that backs up the claim that 'alkaline' foods improve health, then I'd like to see it. All I've seen are claims from people who are trying to shill a book, products or even just make themselves look like an expert. Even an athlete who I admire very much once said something about alkaline foods but I figure he is an athlete and I can forgive him for spreading something someone else told him. On the other hand if someone claimed to be a doctor and didn't have research to back it up and then proclaimed alkaline foods, I'd hold them up to a higher standard. They should know better because as far as I've seen, there is no research that would back that up.


Unless someone is a nutritionist, a doctor hardly focuses on nutrition as a cure for anything. Western medicine is based around the idea that germs from the outside make us sick, rather than realize that disease starts within. One must have a breeding ground for most diseases...


And one thing I'd say is this is due to the medical model, right or wrong. Medicine is about fixing the immediate problem, not looking for the source of the problem. Osteopathic medical doctors are slightly different but I've never had any personal experience with them. Nurse Practitioners are taught under the nursing model which is a more holistic treatment of patients. That is why you see more of them in places like community health and a generally increased number in family care. One reason I generally choose to see a nurse practitioner for my general care and go to specialists when something is beyond that. Dietitians (not nutritionist which isn't a protected label) have extensive education and again are someone who would be helpful for help eating a healthful diet and have a greater understanding of diet and disease. They are all health care professionals though and part of western health care. A medical doctor is just a small part of total health care.

nelie
08-31-2011, 04:20 PM
I also wanted to add that I do believe foods can be healthful or harmful and there is definitely science to back that up. Suzanne posted about a website by a doctor that works for HSUS. He has a website that goes over a lot of information about nutrition based on the current research.

Http://www.nutritionfacts.org

SkinnyBacon
08-31-2011, 07:25 PM
I have used this in the past. I added a tablespoon to an 8 oz glass of water 2x a day. For me, it acts as an appetite suppressant and there were no side effects. I changed from a vinegar with mother in it (Braggs) to a generic version and both worked the same.

I doubt this amount is enough to cause any harm and it really does seem to help me.

Aromyn
09-14-2011, 11:42 PM
The body's overall ph does not change, however ph in the stomach varies, so both arguments are in part, true.

Josephine291
10-25-2011, 04:45 PM
I tried it for a month or so. It boosted my energy and made me virtually loose my appetite. (Which was nice because then I could decide when I wanted to eat and what I wanted to eat) It worked pretty well. I drank one tablespoon with water and honey every morning. I lost weight and my skin got super clear. I stopped doing it because the taste just got to me. But it definitely worked.

jabby9600
10-26-2011, 05:59 PM
I take 2 apple cider vinegar pills with 2 meals a day. I didn't begin taking it to speed up weight loss, I had read the benefits it could provide with regards to bloating. I have noticed a change and will continue to take it.