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PreciousMissy
08-10-2011, 04:36 PM
I've been following the points plus system but have stalled out for the last two weeks.

I decided for fun (I have an odd idea of what's fun :D) I put my information into myfitnesspal to see what the daily food log had to say, and while I am staying within the points, my protein intake is over double, yet my carbs, fat and calories are waaaay under.

Has anyone found too much protein to be a problem?


twinmommaplusone
08-10-2011, 05:09 PM
Too much of anything is not 'good'. Our body needs a balance of healthy fat/protein/complex carbs
What your body doesnt use for muscle repair.etc it will expell out of the body. The only true concern is ketosis from not getting in enough carbs.

ERHR
08-10-2011, 05:48 PM
It's a little hard to give advice without you giving some numbers. What is your eating plan? Are you trying to eat a lot of protein and it just surprised you that the calculator pegged it as too high?

I wouldn't be concerned about eating a lot of protein as I would be about eating too little of everything else. That you said your calories are low is concerning. I am doing low-carb, so if I were in your situation I would add fat to get my calories up into a reasonable range - but without knowing your eating plan it's hard to say what you should change.


PreciousMissy
08-10-2011, 06:04 PM
I thought about adding the numbers after the initial post. My primary goal is eating healthier (and losing weight), I'm not really focused on eating less carbs or more protein.

Breakfast: 2 egg whites, cheese, turkey bacon sandwich on whole wheat bread.

Lunch: 3oz of seasoned pulled pork, cheese, lettuce, onion sandwich on whole wheat bread

Dinner: Chicken breast (est 6oz), sauteed zucchini in butter flavored spray

Snack: Whole green bell pepper

I'm trying to keep it well rounded. I also take a multivitamin and calcium to make sure I get in my nutrients.

Calories
Rec:1220
Act:959

Carbs
Rec:168
Act:44

Fat
Rec:41
Act:35

Protein
Rec:46
Act:125

Thanks for taking the time to look at this. I was reading a thread earlier about how people thing that something is healthy when it's not...maybe I'm having that problem right now.

DietVet
08-10-2011, 06:44 PM
That protein looks totally fine to me (though adding some healthy fat calories would be a good idea, and maybe more veggies!).

Myfitnesspal defaults to a high carb, low protein macronutrient breakdown so you might want to adjust it to better suit your goals. A widely touted breakdown is 40% carb and 30% protein and fat. If you make that change, are you closer to where myfitnesspal thinks you should be?

fatburner77
08-10-2011, 06:53 PM
Am I reading your chart correctly: you're eating under 1,000 calories daily and weigh 225 pounds? No wonder you've stalled! Sorry, I don't follow WW PP but I'd be flabbergasted if you could be successful in dropping your desired 55 pounds on such a limited-calorie plan. I mean, I consumed 1200 calories daily - your apparent recommended amount - when trying to get from the 140s into the 130s...I just worry for you that the math won't work out in your favor.
Have you considered using some points to consume more nutrient-dense foods? Doing so would not only stoke your metabolism with more calories but would also serve to balance out your fats carbs a bit more.

ERHR
08-10-2011, 07:03 PM
Actually your food breakdown looks pretty good to me if you are going for that "balanced" approach. If this sample is typical of every day, I might just say add in a bit more fruit and vegetables (go for vibrant color) to increase your overall calories. Two other quick fixes to add more fat would be to eat whole eggs instead of egg whites and use olive oil when you sautee instead of the spray.

I am actually wondering if your counting is correct... perhaps you are eating a little more than you added up? I just quickly looked up the carb content of whole wheat bread and got about 11 g per slice, which would add to 44 g without even including the carbs in the bell pepper, onion, and zucchini, which with my off-the-top estimate of serving sizes might be around 17 g. For protein I'm pegging you at a bit lower than 125 g though without serving sizes for some items I could definitely be off. Be sure you are weighing your food at the right time to match with your nutrition data - meat loses a lot of water during cooking.

Also, if I'm reading your post correctly that the website recommends 46 g of protein per day, I think that is quite low. 125 g on my diet is maybe a bit on the high side but I try to get above 80 g/day. Again this will depend on your eating plan.

As for having an eating plan, I think it is helpful to get more specific than "healthy," as you said. I started off calorie-counting only and then after doing research decided to control my carbs (primarily sugar) which has worked really well for me. I think you should do some research and experimentation on your own to figure out what you should try. As evidenced by this site, people achieve weight-loss through many different methods. And definitely listen to your body!

QuilterInVA
08-10-2011, 07:16 PM
You sure aren't following the WW Points Plus plan. You are not getting in your daily points or the 9 good health guidelines. I see no fruit, good oils or dairy. The program works when you do it correctly. What you are doing will end up slowing your metabolism.

PreciousMissy
08-10-2011, 07:19 PM
Thanks everyone for your replies!

That is a typical day (I don't vary too much) I will try to add in more veggies, but wow, I'm pretty full after dinner. Yesterday after eating pretty much the same menu I only had 4 points left.

The bread is the low cal whole wheat. I've used myfitnesspal's nutrition information to add to my daily menu. I just double checked the protein and 46 is what they recommend, which is why I thought I was way too high.

QuilterInVa - I cannot afford to do the exact system and am trying to follow the basic guidelines. I know the program works when you do it correctly, I did the old system. I didn't say it didn't work, I am trying to find out what I'm doing wrong, trying to make it work for me the best I know how. If you have any helpful, constructive criticism, for someone who is trying to figure out how to lose weight and keep it off, I welcome it with open arms.

sacha
08-10-2011, 08:20 PM
MyfitnessPal is great because it has a lot of the foods entered in - BUT - the calorie calculations are completely unreasonable.

Your protein intake is fine. IMO your overall calorie intake is too low, you could add another 30-40g essential fats to that plan and feel better!

PreciousMissy
08-10-2011, 11:15 PM
So, after logging my evening drinks I think I found my problem! It's not that I am consuming too few calories, I was consuming too many (and going over my suggested allowance of) empty calories. Thank you everyone for your advice!!!

I ate more veggies and calculated the possibility of having an apple for dessert. Once I entered in my alcohol consumption it put me way over. Turns out I need to put down the beer and pick up an apple for this to work. It really was an eye opener to realize how many empty calories I was drinking at night.

JohnP
08-11-2011, 03:07 AM
Two weeks is nothing for the scale to be stuck and the reason is stuck is not because you're not losing fat due to too few calories. Our bodies are not capable of slowing down our metabolisms that much.

Are your calories too few? Depends on what you're eating and how do you feel? If you feel ok and you're getting plenty of veggies than I wouldn't worry about it. If you're hungry - eat more. Assuming your body is functioning correctly it will definately let you know that it isn't getting enough calories.

Too much protein? No. If you were consuming double that amount than it might be too much.

Esofia
08-11-2011, 07:44 AM
That's not many calories to be getting from food, and that's a very high amount of animal foods and very little veg (and no fruit). Is it possible to reduce your drinking so that you're getting a much higher proportion of your calories from food, and shift your diet around a bit so that you're getting a higher number of calories from food and a healthier balance of foods?

QuilterInVA
08-11-2011, 11:05 AM
The WW program is for 2-3 servings of dairy, 5 or more servings of fruits and vegetables, 6+ ounces of protein, 2 t. olive or canola oil, and whole grains. Light bread is not whole grain. Check the ingredients on the label and the first should be 100% whole grain and you can actually see flecks of the grain. Other choices are brown rice, bulgar, quinoa, wheat berries. You aren't eating enough for your current weight, but if you feel okay and get in all the above + 8 glasses of liquids (non alcoholic) + exercise at least 5 days a week, that is fine and it will work for you. Sugar alcohols can sure play havoc with out plans, can't they.

PreciousMissy
08-11-2011, 11:14 AM
I redid my menu for today, eliminated all alcohol, added in two apples, a bit more veggies, and a tiny bit of canola oil (didn't have any olive), which puts me 54 calories under today's goal!

I have a feeling I'm going to be over stuffed by the end of the day :dizzy:

tricon7
08-11-2011, 12:22 PM
Am I reading your chart correctly: you're eating under 1,000 calories daily and weigh 225 pounds? No wonder you've stalled! Sorry, I don't follow WW PP but I'd be flabbergasted if you could be successful in dropping your desired 55 pounds on such a limited-calorie plan. I mean, I consumed 1200 calories daily - your apparent recommended amount - when trying to get from the 140s into the 130s...I just worry for you that the math won't work out in your favor.
Have you considered using some points to consume more nutrient-dense foods? Doing so would not only stoke your metabolism with more calories but would also serve to balance out your fats carbs a bit more.

My wife lost steadily on a 750-cal./day diet for months, losing about three pounds a week. But her meals (if you want to call them that) were carefully monitored for sufficient nutrients. If *eating less* kept a person from losing weight, then no one would ever starve. And if to lose weight one just needed to...eat more? Sign me up for that plan!

I have a feeling that uncounted calories are sneaking in here, or either the OP's metabolism is slower than she realizes, requiring less calories than originally thought to drop weight. I sit all day at my job, doing nothing, and if I don't exercise sometime during the day then I really can't eat much that day in order to lose.

Esofia
08-11-2011, 12:47 PM
How much alcohol do you usually drink, by the way?

tricon7
08-11-2011, 05:05 PM
Two weeks is nothing for the scale to be stuck and the reason is stuck is not because you're not losing fat due to too few calories.

So - a person stops losing weight because they're eating less? Yet I read of people in places like Africa starving to death all the time due to lack of food. This is that whole "starvation mode" myth that says you're stuck because you're eating too little.....so eat more to lose. If I stall at 1400, go to 1600. If I stall there, go to 1800; if there, to 2000, etc. Oh, wait - I was gaining fat at that point, so that won't work.

My wife was on a 750 calorie a day diet for six months and lost weight just fine. I also broke out of my weeks-long plateau by fasting for two days. But the point of losing weight is to be healthier and to get our lives back. It's not to starve ourselves to the point of malnutrition and have so little energy we can't go out and do fun things.

PreciousMissy
08-11-2011, 05:15 PM
How much alcohol do you usually drink, by the way?

I can hold my own, lol. I measured it out last night and it was 582 calories worth :eek:...when I saw that I stopped drinking...I could have easily drank another couple hundred calories.

JohnP
08-11-2011, 08:37 PM
So - a person stops losing weight because they're eating less? Yet I read of people in places like Africa starving to death all the time due to lack of food. This is that whole "starvation mode" myth that says you're stuck because you're eating too little.....so eat more to lose. If I stall at 1400, go to 1600. If I stall there, go to 1800; if there, to 2000, etc. Oh, wait - I was gaining fat at that point, so that won't work.

My wife was on a 750 calorie a day diet for six months and lost weight just fine. I also broke out of my weeks-long plateau by fasting for two days. But the point of losing weight is to be healthier and to get our lives back. It's not to starve ourselves to the point of malnutrition and have so little energy we can't go out and do fun things.

I agree with you completely. I should proof read my posts. It should have said "Two weeks is nothing for the scale to be stuck and the reason it is stuck has nothing to do with fat loss because too few calories will not stop you from losing fat".

Stavation mode is a myth. We agree on that point.

I don't agree on fasting for two days to break a plateau. That is fixating on what doesn't matter - the scale.

Esofia
08-12-2011, 05:48 AM
I actually meant how many units of alcohol are you drinking in a week? Though I'd be interested to know how many drinks and what sort of drinks the 582 calories' worth were, and how many you will usually drink in one sitting if you're not thinking about the calories.

One of the reasons why it's not encouraged to have such a low number of calories from food, and at your height that's very low, is because it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get enough nutrients from that small an amount of food. Considering the way your diet is balanced, and that drinking depletes vitamins, I'd expect you to be very low in vitamins and minerals. Weight loss is about calories in and calories out; health is about a lot more than that.

mkroyer
08-12-2011, 01:15 PM
you know, if you really WERE consuming that little of calories, than i think its great that your protein intake is so high... it will help elliviate some of the inevitable muscle loss from the VLC diets

how could you NOT be counting alcohol? lol Seriously? i dont mean that in a mean way, but every gram of alcohol has 7 calories!!

it does, however, make me wonder what else youre not counting....... i dont mean that as in "youre lying" i mean that as in..... just sloppy tracking... hey, we ALL do it sometimes !!! :)

PreciousMissy
08-12-2011, 02:36 PM
Whoa...let's pull the reigns in a bit everyone ;)...I didn't realize calorie counting was a hot button...

@ tricon7/johnp - you're both right, the fewer calories you eat the faster you lose weight, but I'd rather have a caloric intake that is similar to what would maintain my goal weight, and 750-1000 I don't see as being a realistic number for me...I gained the weight back because I didn't get into proper eating habits that I could maintain...but I certainly appreciate your help!!!!

@Esofia - I was drinking vodka...and too much of it apparently ;). I've been taking vitamins and calcium regularly before I decided to eat healthier. I can't possibly imagine what my energy level is going to be like now that the alcohol won't be depleting them, plus what I will be getting naturally!

@mkroyer - I started out measuring my alcohol, but then of course, I became extremely sloppy and tried to eyeball it...obviously the next drink became bigger than the last that way haha! I've even started counting my splenda and coffee in the morning now! No more eyeballing or trying to remember...

DietVet
08-12-2011, 02:43 PM
I feel you on the alcohol creep. I drink wine in the evening and switch to whiskey late at night. I wager that I've been putting away 1000 calories a day in alcohol for the last couple of years. (Think one box of wine and one 750ml bottle of bourbon per week, and that's not counting the 1 or 2 nights per week I go out for dinner and drinks...) I'm trying to cut way back and to count it diligently. I bought myself a small carafe and have taken to putting in my allotted amount of wine at the start of the evening (8 or 12 or 16 oz, depending) and regulating myself that way. Sometimes I have whiskey, sometimes I don't. It's hard! Especially since my hubby has at least 2 big whiskeys each night. Still, it has to be done. So many almost-empty calories!