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mommy1028
08-03-2011, 11:29 AM
Okay ladies it's getting to be that TOM and the scale is depressing me! +4lbs. in 2-3 days...is this normal? I know I have been doing everything right getting my exercise in and staying on plan. Does anyone just stay off the scale around this time and then weigh in when its over?? :?:


abluvion
08-03-2011, 11:37 AM
You have no direct control on the scale.... Your body is going to do what your body is going to do. You DO have direct control over your actions. Keep those in check and the scale will follow.

Water retention is totally normal on TOM, and can vary from person to person and month to month.

Just ask yourself this: Did you eat over 10,000 calories of "stuff" in the past few days, to make yourself gain 3lb of fat?

No?

Well, it's water then :) Be patient. Stay off the scale til TOM passes if it's going to derail you.

berryblondeboys
08-03-2011, 12:26 PM
One of the advantages of weighing daily is that you start to notice your patterns. Most women have monthly patterns, but it varies for each woman. One approach is to just avoid the scale if it freaks you out, but I don't quite understand this logic. Because lets say you decide to weigh every Monday. Well, that Monday could be affected by higher sodium food. TTOM, ovulation, heavy exercise. A single weigh in is just that - a single weigh in. So, weighing in once a week even with being totally on plan could look like this: 8/1: 200, 8/8: 200, 8/15: 201, 8/22: 199, 8/29: 191. Seem odd? Well, that's how my pattern goes. It didn't mean that the last week was where I saw all my weight loss. It's just that the rest of the month gets screwed around with TTOM, and then ovulation. I whoosh for about 10 days every month and hold steady the rest.

Others see things go up around TTOM, come down for a bit, then go up with ovulation, and then it comes down. Others lose more from TTOM to ovulation and don't lose much from ovulation to TTOM. it varies. If you weigh daily, you really get to know your patterns and get less freaked out by the fluctions because you begin to know your body and how it works.


runningfromfat
08-03-2011, 12:28 PM
One of the advantages of weighing daily is that you start to notice your patterns. Most women have monthly patterns, but it varies for each woman. One approach is to just avoid the scale if it freaks you out, but I don't quite understand this logic. Because lets say you decide to weigh every Monday. Well, that Monday could be affected by higher sodium food. TTOM, ovulation, heavy exercise. A single weigh in is just that - a single weigh in. So, weighing in once a week even with being totally on plan could look like this: 8/1: 200, 8/8: 200, 8/15: 201, 8/22: 199, 8/29: 191. Seem odd? Well, that's how my pattern goes. It didn't mean that the last week was where I saw all my weight loss. It's just that the rest of the month gets screwed around with TTOM, and then ovulation. I whoosh for about 10 days every month and hold steady the rest.

Others see things go up around TTOM, come down for a bit, then go up with ovulation, and then it comes down. Others lose more from TTOM to ovulation and don't lose much from ovulation to TTOM. it varies. If you weigh daily, you really get to know your patterns and get less freaked out by the fluctions because you begin to know your body and how it works.

:yes:

Another daily weigher here for those exact same reasons.

ahyessophie
08-03-2011, 12:28 PM
I'm having the same problem. I'm thinking I'll stop using the scale for those 5 or so days because it's pretty much pointless. I'm bloated and my stomach is all funny, but I know I'm on plan and exercising so it's going to be okay! Abluvion is right - we've gotta just keep on doing what we're meant to be doing and everything will sort itself out.

ahyessophie
08-03-2011, 12:30 PM
One of the advantages of weighing daily is that you start to notice your patterns. Most women have monthly patterns, but it varies for each woman. One approach is to just avoid the scale if it freaks you out, but I don't quite understand this logic. Because lets say you decide to weigh every Monday. Well, that Monday could be affected by higher sodium food. TTOM, ovulation, heavy exercise. A single weigh in is just that - a single weigh in. So, weighing in once a week even with being totally on plan could look like this: 8/1: 200, 8/8: 200, 8/15: 201, 8/22: 199, 8/29: 191. Seem odd? Well, that's how my pattern goes. It didn't mean that the last week was where I saw all my weight loss. It's just that the rest of the month gets screwed around with TTOM, and then ovulation. I whoosh for about 10 days every month and hold steady the rest.

Others see things go up around TTOM, come down for a bit, then go up with ovulation, and then it comes down. Others lose more from TTOM to ovulation and don't lose much from ovulation to TTOM. it varies. If you weigh daily, you really get to know your patterns and get less freaked out by the fluctions because you begin to know your body and how it works.

This has me second guessing my post haha.

Peaches5577
08-03-2011, 01:02 PM
I am another that tried weighing weekly and found it discouraging. Weighing daily I see that I am fluxuating in weight. I tend to work out pretty heavily on the weekends and my "weekly weigh in" was on Mondays. Well, my body tends to hold on to water or something when I do those heavy workouts because Mondays are always my highest.
Therefore weighing every day shows me what my body is actually doing, just like was mentioned above. I do however think that every person has thier own nitch and what works best for one might not work for another. And as far as TTOM, yes, I usually gain a few lbs. Its just a normal lovely thing us ladies get to deal with :-)

mommy1028
08-03-2011, 02:04 PM
So glad I'm not the only one. Thanks for all the feedback I think I'll just hide the scale until this is over and keep on doing what I'm doing. Hopefully afterwards I'll get that big loss at the end even if it is the water weight! Have a great day girls!

xxkaleidoscopic
08-03-2011, 02:37 PM
One of the advantages of weighing daily is that you start to notice your patterns. Most women have monthly patterns, but it varies for each woman. One approach is to just avoid the scale if it freaks you out, but I don't quite understand this logic. Because lets say you decide to weigh every Monday. Well, that Monday could be affected by higher sodium food. TTOM, ovulation, heavy exercise. A single weigh in is just that - a single weigh in. So, weighing in once a week even with being totally on plan could look like this: 8/1: 200, 8/8: 200, 8/15: 201, 8/22: 199, 8/29: 191. Seem odd? Well, that's how my pattern goes. It didn't mean that the last week was where I saw all my weight loss. It's just that the rest of the month gets screwed around with TTOM, and then ovulation. I whoosh for about 10 days every month and hold steady the rest.

Others see things go up around TTOM, come down for a bit, then go up with ovulation, and then it comes down. Others lose more from TTOM to ovulation and don't lose much from ovulation to TTOM. it varies. If you weigh daily, you really get to know your patterns and get less freaked out by the fluctions because you begin to know your body and how it works.

This is why I weigh daily. I'm not going to say weighing daily is the only right way, but it makes perfect sense to me. When I weigh in and I gain for no apparent reason, I look at what I did today. And I think, 'Oh, well I DID eat a lot of sodium-heavy things... gotta cut back.' So instead of wasting a week with zero progress because I didn't notice the trend until the time was gone, I catch it early!

If you choose to weigh daily, you also have to get into the mentality that a gain is not the end of the world, because your body DOES fluctuate. Remember - up does not mean horrible.

In answer to your question, yes, a gain of that much during TOM is normal. I think once I may have even gained like 8lbs! And then other times I lose. TOM can be pretty crazy.

kaplods
08-03-2011, 03:03 PM
You can hide the scale, but you really don't have to.

Then I recently read a study that reviewed the results of many different weight loss studies, which found that the people who weighed daily had the most success.

That flies in the face of common wisdom. We've been told by the diet "experts" for years that we shouldn't weigh daily because we'll be "discouraged" by the normal fluctutions.

In a way, I find that argument insults our intelligence. As if we're not intelligent enough or in control of our emotions enough to understand and accept the fluctuations.

I don't mean this insultingly, because our expectations do affect our reality. Before I tried to understand and accept the fluctuations I did react to fluctuations with the expected upset and frustration - but not because the negative reaction was unavoidable, but because I had learned it, just like we all do. I thought the frustration was inevitable, because everyone told me it was.

I learned that it's not. I'm smart enough and emotionally strong enough to understand my body's fluctuations and not be controlled by them.

Don't get me wrong. If you would rather weigh weekly or monthly, there's nothing wrong with that, but no matter how often you weigh, you don't have to let your emotions be controlled by the scale.

I used to avoid the scale during TOM, but what I now do is write down my daily weight on my calendar. By doing that, over a few months I started seeing patterns, and I saw even more food/symptom/emotion patterns in my journals (I found the more I wrote down, the more patterns I could identify and use to help change some of the patterns).

Learning to recognize and understand the patterns has been far more valuable than ignoring the scale would have been.

When I first started weighing to identify patterns, I weighed many times during the day. Before and after going to the bathroom, Before and after meals, Before and after getting dressed. I only wrote down the morning naked weight, but I wrote it down every day on my calendar.

I discovered some really interesting patterns. For example, I'd always known that I gained weight with TOM/PMS, and even though I always believed that most of the weight was water weight, I also knew that some of it was over-eating in response to hunger and craving spikes. What I didn't realize was that the weight appeared about 2 days before the hunger and diet difficulties did.

I also learned that I could reduce the amount of water weight and could prevent any of it from becoming permanent as well as reduce the cravings by eating lower-carb than usual during what I now call my "red alert days."

I actually highlight in yellow "that week" on the calendar to remind me that I have to be even more aware of my calorie and carb intake that week, and I need to be pushing the fluids and watching my sodium intake more than usual.

Not every woman's fluctuations are the same. We've had this discussion on w3FC several times, and different women have different pattern of gain. By weighing daily (but staying calm about it) for several months, you will see patterns emerge, and those patterns can give you ideas for ways to change the pattern (if you want to).

I wouldn't need to push the fluids and eat lower than my usual carb level "that week" every month, because it's "just water weight," but I feel better mentally and physically when I do. In fact, I learned that my cramps are much less severe if I do avoid the salt, drink the extra water and eat lower carb/GI (especially avoiding sugar and processed carbs).

I think what you stand to learn outweighs the temporary stress of seeing an occasional upward fluctuation (it really only has to upset you, if you let it).










However, I do think that understanding fluctuations is worth a shot. Othe

berryblondeboys
08-03-2011, 03:27 PM
Just wanted to add that weighing daily is not the ONLY way to go. I just don't understand the logic of thinking that weighing weekly or monthly will hide fluctations. By weighing yourself less, yes, you are more likely to see a downward trend or an upward trend if you have been following the program well or if you have not, but you can't know details. One week or month might be a big loss and the next week or month a small loss even though you are doing everything the same. A single weighing on the scale is a snapshot of what's going on in your body that particular second. In my opinion, the more snapshots/weights you take, the more accurate of a picture you'll see of what's going on with your body. your graph will make more sense and will show your patterns. The fewer snapshots, the fewer trends will be caught.

Now, it's true, some people get really obsessed with the scale and it really discourages them. Then, get rid of the scale. If it's hurting you and not helping you, then stop using it. There are many other ways to judge progress.

mommy1028
08-03-2011, 03:40 PM
Thanks I normally weigh daily so I know exactly how I am doing. But TOM threw me off course. I think I'll keep weighing in daily it sounds like the best thing to do and also keeps me going. that .1 down even makes me smile.

Amber1011
08-03-2011, 03:42 PM
I agree with all the daily weighing posts. I like to start the day with a reminder (good or bad depending on the scale's reading lol) of what I'm working toward.

fattymcfatty
08-03-2011, 03:49 PM
Daily weigher here. Part of facing this head-on is weighing everyday. When I don't, I avoid. I avoided my scale to 270+lbs. So now I check it out, and don't let it discourage me, I just use it for accountability. I agree with Kaplods, I think it is cool to see a trend. In fact, I looked forward to weighing in today because it is day two of TOM and that is the start of the downward trend for me. Thank goodness I only retain about 2lbs during this time, but a lot of women retain 10lbs.

Now, I agree that if you get on a scale daily, see a slight increase and it leads to going off plan, you shouldn't weigh daily. Part of this process is finding out what works for us as individuals. And yes, I have changed since I started my journey July 2010. When I started out, I weighed weekly, and then changed to twice a week, to now daily.

redbutton
08-03-2011, 03:52 PM
I'm actually the opposite and once TOM is upon me, I stop weighing, and I'm a daily weigher too.

Even though, I know fully well that I didn't gain 5 lbs overnight . . . the number on the scale still depresses me! I know it's because of TOM but I can't help feeling awful and I have ended up sabotaging my plan. I'm already not feeling my best and having cravings so I just think "oh screw it!"

So, for me, I have learned to continue to eat well and exercise, and weigh in a day or 2 after my period when I'm back to my normal weight.

doopdoop
08-03-2011, 03:54 PM
I weigh weekly, and I only have three rules for the DAY before weigh in:

-Drink an extra bottle of water (20 oz for me)

-Avoid frozen/preserved/pre-packed foods with a lot of sodium that causes bloat

-Don't eat after 7 PM so that it passes through your system by morning

This usually ensures that my weigh-ins are happy and accurate ones :D.

lin43
08-03-2011, 04:00 PM
I don't weigh at all. I think I'm pretty intelligent and can logically know that I may have gained because of water weight, TOM, etc. However, sometimes in life, logic does not rule the day. (After all, most Americans logically know they should eat less and move more but as a society, we don't do it). I find that the scale makes me too obsessive over numbers. I get enough of that calorie counting, so I don't want to add to that by weighing myself.

However, back to the question by the OP . . . I definitely think I temporarily gain weight during TOM. Last week, for example, was my TOM. I tried on a size 10 skirt that I haven't worn in two years. I could button it, but it was tight. Also, my size 12 shorts fit a bit more snugly than usual. This week, though, those shorts are actually a bit lose and I was able to wear that size 10 skirt to church on Sunday.

So, if you are going to weigh during the TOM, just keep in mind that any weight gain is most likely temporary (unless, of course, you've been pigging out ---LOL!)

berryblondeboys
08-03-2011, 04:19 PM
I don't weigh at all. I think I'm pretty intelligent and can logically know that I may have gained because of water weight, TOM, etc. However, sometimes in life, logic does not rule the day. (After all, most Americans logically know they should eat less and move more but as a society, we don't do it). I find that the scale makes me too obsessive over numbers. I get enough of that calorie counting, so I don't want to add to that by weighing myself.

However, back to the question by the OP . . . I definitely think I temporarily gain weight during TOM. Last week, for example, was my TOM. I tried on a size 10 skirt that I haven't worn in two years. I could button it, but it was tight. Also, my size 12 shorts fit a bit more snugly than usual. This week, though, those shorts are actually a bit lose and I was able to wear that size 10 skirt to church on Sunday.

So, if you are going to weigh during the TOM, just keep in mind that any weight gain is most likely temporary (unless, of course, you've been pigging out ---LOL!)

I wish I could, but I can't tell that much by how my clothes fit unless they are on the verge of being too tight. I've been in a size 14 for 20 pounds so far and will probably be in them for another 10. If I waited until I noticed they were too tight, I could have gained 25 pounds! Of course, I would know that I was eating too much here and there, but I wouldn't feel confident in how that translated to gaining or losing weight. It takes 5-10 pounds for me to see a measurement shift too and even then, I can't be sure I measured in the right place every single time. Like last month I thought I lost 2" on my arms - remeasured and everything. This month I gained an inch in my arms. I messed that up somehow.

Reality is though, I use a LOT of tools - calorie counting, scale, measurements, tracking my workouts and how my clothes fit. For me personally though, I find the scale motivational and reassuring. This past month I set a goal of mininizing my water weight gain before Ovulation and I did it! I knew the gain was coming, but I did my best by working out and eating lower sodium to minimize it which minimized my feeling of dread as I watched it climb.

lin43
08-03-2011, 06:55 PM
I wish I could, but I can't tell that much by how my clothes fit unless they are on the verge of being too tight. I've been in a size 14 for 20 pounds so far and will probably be in them for another 10. If I waited until I noticed they were too tight, I could have gained 25 pounds! Of course, I would know that I was eating too much here and there, but I wouldn't feel confident in how that translated to gaining or losing weight. It takes 5-10 pounds for me to see a measurement shift too and even then, I can't be sure I measured in the right place every single time. Like last month I thought I lost 2" on my arms - remeasured and everything. This month I gained an inch in my arms. I messed that up somehow.

Reality is though, I use a LOT of tools - calorie counting, scale, measurements, tracking my workouts and how my clothes fit. For me personally though, I find the scale motivational and reassuring. This past month I set a goal of mininizing my water weight gain before Ovulation and I did it! I knew the gain was coming, but I did my best by working out and eating lower sodium to minimize it which minimized my feeling of dread as I watched it climb.

I hear ya'. I wish I could be more objective when I look at the scale. Maybe I'll get there one day. For right now, I guess I'm not as stringently goal oriented as I was in the past (at least right now I'm not; that may change later). For now, I've decided to focus on trying to keep my calories within a certain range and trying to get more daily physical activity. I'll do that consistently and let the pounds fall where they may. Of course, I've only been at this [this time around] since June 1, so we'll see how I'll feel in a few more months.

mommy1028
08-03-2011, 07:59 PM
I think it mostly bugged me because of the 260s again and I was so glad to be out of them. But I understand that weight is going to do that so I'm okay with it. Just keep pushing on and trying hard to lose this weight!

gagalu
08-04-2011, 05:57 AM
oh yeah. i used to gain a max of 10 lbs when my monthly swung around.

ChickieChicks
08-04-2011, 08:47 AM
I don't stay off the scale, but I never count "gains". I have been 100% on plan and working out, so any fluctuations are just that...fluctuations. They are normal and definately not actual weight gains. Eventually it goes back down, but it might just take longer to get to the next lower number.

m3k
08-04-2011, 11:08 AM
I'm also on TOM and have gained quite a bit of water weight (about 4 pounds...maybe more). I know I haven't gained any or much fat, as I've been sticking to the diet.

I just have to stop weighing. I know that during this week that it's going to go up and down, and so I figured I'd take away the added stress of trying to find a real number. Also, during tom, I find myself needing to eat more. And that's no big deal. I've consumed a few extra calories during these days, while still counting. It's more of a maintenance week than anything. I'm sluggish, moody, in general it's never a good week for me. Why add to it? Haha.

I'm hoping that I lose rapidly after this. I also find that I was losing really quickly until a few days before TOM started. I was following my diet to a T, and yet had not lost anything. I feel gross and fat, so I don't weigh. I like to weigh everyday when I'm feeling good about myself and know I've stuck to the plan. Also, I graph my progress. So, I'd rather not have a week of ups and downs in the middle of my downward trend.

Overall, I just think it is totally up to you. It all depends on how much tom affects you. It's always a pretty horrible experience for me, and so I decidedly do not add any additional stress. I watch what I eat, but if I'm hungry, I eat. Like I said, I treat it sort of as a light maintenance week. If you are comfortable with weighing, go ahead! If you're not, then don't.

Don't be too hard on yourself, we are all bloating!

Edit: I read more deeply in to the other posts, and it sounds like weighing every day might be a good thing even on tom. I hopefully can gain the courage to start doing that as well! Thanks ladies.

Esofia
08-04-2011, 11:19 AM
Does skipping weighing during your period not give you permission to overeat as you won't be able to see the difference? After all, if you weigh yourself every day, after a few months you will know how much it's normal for you to put on during your period and when it has got to the point where it's not hormones, it's overeating.

I have fairly substantial PMDD, but the premenstrual bloating pretty much stopped when I began dieting. (Don't envy me too soon, the migraines and premenstrual anxiety got worse, although at least they're taking turns and I don't get both in one cycle.) I get little ups and downs and stalls like everyone else, but I don't seem to get them specifically around my period, or rather, sometimes my weight misbehaves around my period, but not always, and it misbehaves at other times too, despite sticking firmly to the diet at all times.

mommy1028
08-04-2011, 12:03 PM
Happy to say the 4 lbs. are gone now =) Back down to 258. I love all the support you get on 3FC, I don't think I could keep on going sometimes and then I get on this site. Amazing group of people and always there to tell you what you need to hear or even that swift kick in the rear to get you back up on your feet! Hope everyone has a GREAT!! day!

Beach Patrol
08-04-2011, 01:41 PM
Completely NORMAL!

Breathe in, Breathe out...
Move on :^: :hug: :D

...and guess what? One month I GAINED 13 POUNDS during TOM. Yup, you read that right. THIRTEEN. And it "magically melted off" when TOM passed. Thank goddess!!!!

mommy1028
08-04-2011, 02:05 PM
WOW 13 pounds! Mother nature is so cruel sometimes! LOL =P

mommy1028
08-05-2011, 03:50 PM
Another question to do with the same topic... I'm LATE! If you start dieting and changing your eating habits does this mess with your menstruation cycle? Mine is really regular until now... I was supposed to start yesterday according to the calendar and nothing not even a sign of it. I'm beyond bloated and crampy and I never get cramps. Anyone else ever had this happen?

PreciousMissy
08-05-2011, 05:12 PM
Another question to do with the same topic... I'm LATE! If you start dieting and changing your eating habits does this mess with your menstruation cycle? Mine is really regular until now... I was supposed to start yesterday according to the calendar and nothing not even a sign of it. I'm beyond bloated and crampy and I never get cramps. Anyone else ever had this happen?

When I changed my eating habits last month I was TWO weeks late...two weeks...could you imagine? I got daily calls..."anything yet?" lol.