Ideal Protein Diet - Cheat or Quit?




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coliep
07-25-2011, 03:00 PM
So I am sure you are thinking: NEITHER! However, I am only 2 1/2 weeks in and I cheat about every 4th day and have some peanut butter. The more times goes between, the more peanut butter. I know the theory behind the no cheat rule on this diet, yet it doesn't seem to stop me. I am resisting everything else, but this is my downfall.

So, it begs the question: Do I Quit and go to phase 3 and 4 since I clearly am not successful wtih the 100 no cheating? Or, do I continue and just accept that every few days I will have some peanut butter even if it slows losses a bit?

If this were you, what would you do (and "don't cheat" is not the kind of repsonse I am looking for at this point!)???


MInewgoal
07-25-2011, 03:09 PM
Because of the sugar in Peanut Butter...you could be throwing yourself out of Ketosis everytime. And that's really hard on your organs.

My advice... Quit, and try a different diet that allows for the peanut butter.

cadenlevi
07-25-2011, 03:12 PM
Or get you some of the peanut butter restricted bars either from IP or from Nashua Nutrition. I got some of the white chocolate (IP) ones last week and they have helped me a lot! When I get that craving for something sweet, I just unwrap a bar and I'm good.


jennydoodle
07-25-2011, 03:44 PM
+1 on thinking you should find a diet that allows for PB. If you really can't give it up, then IP is not for you. I am not saying this to be mean, because there are certainly a lot of different diets out there that are not for me. I am just being realistic and trying to support you.

If you do want to try again, I would also suggest getting one of the peanut butter bars or the peanut butter soy puffs and seeing if that will help. My other piece of advice would be to maybe try an extra packet and see if adding an extra packet plus eating an peanut buttery restricted help with your satiety.

brummie
07-25-2011, 03:46 PM
You've done well with your weight loss...with only 10 more pounds to lose, perhaps you could phase out of IP (properly) and try something like South Beach Diet. 2 years ago I lost 12 pounds in 2 weeks on south beach, perhaps that will work for you.
BTW, good job standing up and making yourself accountable!

Ishbel
07-25-2011, 04:02 PM
+1 on thinking you should find a diet that allows for PB. If you really can't give it up, then IP is not for you. I am not saying this to be mean, because there are certainly a lot of different diets out there that are not for me. I am just being realistic and trying to support you.

If you do want to try again, I would also suggest getting one of the peanut butter bars or the peanut butter soy puffs and seeing if that will help. My other piece of advice would be to maybe try an extra packet and see if adding an extra packet plus eating an peanut buttery restricted help with your satiety.

The PB Soy Puffs really taste yummy and really satisfied me for PB. You could have them ever second day as your restricted that way you're getting something. Someone posted recently (can't remember who) It's not good bye to PB (you can put any food item in here) but rather "see you later".

I agree with others if you cannot NOT cheat try a different diet. It's not only the cost of this program that's keeping me on the straight and narrow but if I cheat then I'm going in and out of Ketosis which is really unhealthy.

Good Luck!

Carla

coliep
07-25-2011, 04:04 PM
Thanks all! I did get the PB Vanilla bars last week and I enjoy them but for some reason I have this mindset I cannot break. It's like, I am saying to myself "let's see how far you can push the envelope and still lose weight and feel great". That's the tough part. I am losing, I feel pretty good. This is just "that one thing" that keeps getting the better of me.

I am not discouraged and appreciate the honesty. I was thinking of phasing off properly, because I believe in how the diet works, and then doing a more balanced diet plus returning to more vigorous exercise again. Just really torn between trying to work through my cheating vice or just calling it a day with respect to this diet . . .

coliep
07-25-2011, 04:11 PM
And with respect to going in/out of ketosis, I guess that's my other PB problem (which I posted on recently). 1-2 TBSP of natural PB is not likely to take me out of ketosis (no sugar added) combined with lower carb IP packets (i.e. no restricted items). Just that the extra fat might interfere with how quickly the diet works. That stupid nagging tidbit is contributing to my downfall.

I KNOW you all are right. I KNOW the cost is high. What I don't KNOW is whether I am going in / out of ketosis . . . I need to convince myself I am so I stop harming my body. As a matter of fact, as I type this I realize the shift that needs to occur. This issue is NOT about weight loss for me, clearly I am losely (albeit slowly). It needs to be about overall HEALTH and gentleness on my system. Whether going in / out of ketosis is truly detrimental (I question this in light of cyclical ketogenic diets, which many athletes use) has to be assumed and I need to NOT want to do this to myself. I take care of myself in so many ways...even before IP, I didn't eat fried foods, red meat, cream sauces, bowls of pasta, unhealthy breads, butter, sour cream, fatty salad dressings, etc. Yet here I sit. Hmmmm. Aha Moment.

Dear Self: Yes, you are absolutely right. Peanut butter is not an unhealthy food and it, in and of itself, is not detrimental to your body. However, in your current therapy/treatment (using the words of the good doctor) it is in fact harmful to your vital organs. EAT A BARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR would you? Stop trying to prove that you can be thin and have your peanut butter too. You can, in Phase IV. Now get over it.

Ok. Phew. Think maybe the shift in mindset, that I am taking care of me from the inside with the small sacrifice, may be what I need to let it go. Here's hoping. Starting now, my efforts are for 100% OP for 14 days (except I give myself permission to do the athletic protocol once I start increasing my workouts to a sufficient level).

Gika
07-25-2011, 04:17 PM
Chances are you will continue losing weight if you have those type of "small" cheats. However, some of it will be muscle mass, which you seem to be working so hard to keep. Almost any other diet that is low-calorie is potentially dangerous for that same reason, because if you are not in ketosis and you are consuming such low amount of calories your body will turn to muscle.

Because you have such small amount left to lose, I would say give it one more try, work out moderately so that you don't get to the point that you feel ill. Have an extra packet or 2 as needed. Every time you feel like rationalizing your "cheat" by saying to yourself that this is a low-calorie diet just remind yourself that that's one of the reason it works! Read or re-read the IP book.

Good luck!

coliep
07-25-2011, 04:23 PM
Thank you Gika - I DO need to remember that I may be sacrificing muscle mass with each spoonful. I definitely don't want that!!

champaignsupernova
07-25-2011, 04:53 PM
You can totally do this. You have such a small amount left to lose. I would give it one more go...maybe get rid of the peanut butter for NOW and know that very very VERY soon you can have it again. You are worth giving up something that you crave (PB) to meet your weight loss goal. Hold yourself accountable and find the strength to move through this. Heck, if you can beat the little PB cheat just think of the possibilities!! GOOD LUCK :hug:

jennydoodle
07-25-2011, 04:57 PM
I say throw out the jar of PB that you have right now. Rinse the jar out in the sink so you cannot go digging it out of the garbage. And try for your 14 days OP. DO NOT BUY A NEW JAR OF PB ;)

Jasesgirl
07-25-2011, 04:58 PM
im not sure if you have thought of this or not.. but here are a few things that come to mind:

1) are you sure its the peanut butter that your body is craving? Is it possible that maybe your actually craving salt or protein? Cause one reason we crave, is because we are not getting enough of something..

2) Are you sure your not intolerant to it? I learned from both a doctor and a nutritionist, that often we crave that which we are intolerant to..which is a big reason why im always craving bread..cause im very intolerant to gluten..Same thing with a person intolerant to dairy..they will often crave dairy products..so are you sure that your not intolerant or sensetive to nuts?

I think intsead of just quitting the diet.. i think maybe you should start making a list of possible reasons as to why your craving peanut butter..Start thinking about how you feel prior to putting it in your mouth and then think about it after you have put it in your mouth..and how do you feel after..

Quitting and switching over to another diet..is an option..however..odds are there is something else going on and what to say that you switch to another diet and then all of the sudden crave another food that you cant have? Maybe its the pyscology behind wanting what you know you are not allowed to have?

Just a few thoughts.

Watkat
07-25-2011, 08:40 PM
I thought you were going to try the pb syrup from Torani?
Don't you want to lose the rest of your weight? You can do this but you have to want to do it.
Toss out the PEANUT BUTTER NOW!

Louisiana chick
07-25-2011, 08:45 PM
I agree with jennydoodle. Why do you still have peanut butter in your house if you know that you can't do without it. If you are leaving it in your house, you are continually setting yourself up for failure. You can do this.

Purrfect
07-25-2011, 08:46 PM
Before you give up, try the Nashua chocolate covred peanut butter bars. I take a full 10 minutes to savor this treat and it is like having the real thing, real PB. Of course, in the past I could polish off a half jar of pb in one sitting. This is a great way to get the fix!
AFTER: don't let peanut butter be a forbidden food for you, the way I made peace with it was to allow myself to have it whenever and how often I wanted...as long as I was HUNGRY and I stopped eating it when I was no longer hungry. I ate peanut butter for 18 days in a row 3 times a day. Then I knew I could have it and not gain weight from it, if I ate it respectfully.

It helps to know about what the other gal said, nutritional deficiencies or allergies. you could be setting up the craving without knowing it.:smug:

coliep
07-25-2011, 09:05 PM
Thanks for all the feedback! I am taking the rest of today off from IP (since i completely went off protocol after the unfortunate PB incident). It included more PB, ice cream and a few bites of toast. I am going to stock up on more IP bars and I have a call to find out why my WF PB wasn't delivered (strange huh?). Anyway going to not beat myself up but rather enjoy tonight and consider tomorrow day 1, phase 1. Will check into the tolerance issue, too!

Purrfect
07-25-2011, 11:29 PM
I am throwing out my jar of PB. I think it talks too much in that cabinet. I won't drive to the store for it, good idea, everybody.

2RIDEROLLERCOAST
07-26-2011, 12:30 AM
Okay so I wasn't going to respond, as the last time I did tough love, it didn't turn out so well but...

So you miss peanut butter, oh me too... I even tried WF peanut spread... it is so not peanut butter, but tonight I had it on celery... why you ask? because I miss peanut butter.

It is such a slippery road you are on my friend. You know this is a NO cheat diet, but you are now arguing with yourself on how much can you cheat and get away with it. Where is it going to end? so peanut butter doesn't stop cheating and you are still losing weight, so lets try ice cream or lets try different candies, or the next thing you know you are eating more and more that are not on the list. Then you are wondering why you aren't losing weight. The PB soy puffs help a lot. I also make a thai pb sauce for chicken and at least that tastes better with the WF pb. Please think carefully and from your last posts it looks like you have kind of figured it out on your own why you are cheating... so now try to figure out how NOT to cheat. Good luck..

Have you ever heard of PB2? google it for nutritional value. It isn't for phase 1 either but it might be something for later...

niknakjack
07-26-2011, 01:15 AM
So I am sure you are thinking: NEITHER! However, I am only 2 1/2 weeks in and I cheat about every 4th day and have some peanut butter. The more times goes between, the more peanut butter. I know the theory behind the no cheat rule on this diet, yet it doesn't seem to stop me. I am resisting everything else, but this is my downfall.

So, it begs the question: Do I Quit and go to phase 3 and 4 since I clearly am not successful wtih the 100 no cheating? Or, do I continue and just accept that every few days I will have some peanut butter even if it slows losses a bit?

If this were you, what would you do (and "don't cheat" is not the kind of repsonse I am looking for at this point!)???

Ahhh.the dreaded Pb, I think we all miss it. For me it was dry roasted peanuts, I could eat the whole jar in a day! So I can't have them in the house when I'm in IP it would be to difficult. Defiantly throw out the PB. And when you allowed PB again try the natural types.
We need to follow protocol yes the others are right it could defiantly mess with your system if you up and down which is why there is no cheating on this diet. This was one of the most difficult things I ever did in my entire life, somedays I was like what the **** am I doing to myself. But it was working so I stuck to the program.
The idea is to rest your pancreas completely and by cheating you will not rest it. Then we restart it slowly in phase 3 by reintroducing carbs only in the am so your insulin levels do not go up and down all day long and learn to stay steady. This will train you pancreas yo produce less insulin wich will help to maintain you new weight. If you do not let your self reset your pancreas, by resting it(NO CHEATS) it will continue to produce more insulin than your body needs and that is where the weight gain come onto play. Which is why on your cheat day on phase 4 the day after is clean so that the body will not store the insulin and it will release it out of the body, hense no weight gain.

great job on your accomplishment and good luck the rest of the way! OUT W/ the PB!!!!!

coliep
07-26-2011, 09:28 AM
Thanks again everyone. Yes, I get the whole pancreas rest thing. The whole don't cheat thing. I just cannot get rid of the nagging feeling that all my IP things have a couple of carbs, what's a couple in natural peanut butter? 1 TBSP is like a restricted food with a little more fat and sicne I find a little more fat much more satiating, why can't I have it? This is literally the conversation in my head. And, unlike suggested above, it is the "I cheated" mentality that is the slippery slope, not the peanut butter itself. If I had permission to have 1 TBSP natural peanut butter today I don't think it would be an issue. So, with that said, I am reframing my mindset and not thinking about it as a cheat. It is now gone, so actually I don't have to think about it at all.

Black coffee (no splenda or milk splash this morning!) to start out my day and on my way to those last 10 in a healthy way =)

leganegan
07-26-2011, 12:12 PM
Thanks again everyone. Yes, I get the whole pancreas rest thing. The whole don't cheat thing. I just cannot get rid of the nagging feeling that all my IP things have a couple of carbs, what's a couple in natural peanut butter? 1 TBSP is like a restricted food with a little more fat and sicne I find a little more fat much more satiating, why can't I have it? This is literally the conversation in my head. And, unlike suggested above, it is the "I cheated" mentality that is the slippery slope, not the peanut butter itself. If I had permission to have 1 TBSP natural peanut butter today I don't think it would be an issue. So, with that said, I am reframing my mindset and not thinking about it as a cheat. It is now gone, so actually I don't have to think about it at all.

Black coffee (no splenda or milk splash this morning!) to start out my day and on my way to those last 10 in a healthy way =)

You are so close! This might be why you are wanting it too. Because you are almost at phase 3. I think you should buy the puffs, and any peanut bars and hang in there, phase 3 and 4 are the most important phases. I didn't follow phase 3 and 4 last time and ( i stopped) and gained 40lbs in 2 years! Also, my clinic sells PB2 and apparently it's good, ask your clinic about that for phase 3. Put peanute puffs in freezer I love them like that, and I mike them with the chocolate ones.

2RIDEROLLERCOAST
07-26-2011, 12:32 PM
So you say a tablespoon is like a restricted food... so are you replacing a IP packet for just 1 tablespoon of PB? or are you considering it a restricted veg? which you know it totally isn't. So if you consider it a restricted veg do you have it once a week? and if you consider it a restricted IP packet, aren't you more hungry for less food?

JoseyM
07-26-2011, 02:35 PM
Okay so I wasn't going to respond, as the last time I did tough love, it didn't turn out so well but...

So you miss peanut butter, oh me too... I even tried WF peanut spread... it is so not peanut butter, but tonight I had it on celery... why you ask? because I miss peanut butter.

It is such a slippery road you are on my friend. You know this is a NO cheat diet, but you are now arguing with yourself on how much can you cheat and get away with it. Where is it going to end? so peanut butter doesn't stop cheating and you are still losing weight, so lets try ice cream or lets try different candies, or the next thing you know you are eating more and more that are not on the list. Then you are wondering why you aren't losing weight. The PB soy puffs help a lot. I also make a thai pb sauce for chicken and at least that tastes better with the WF pb. Please think carefully and from your last posts it looks like you have kind of figured it out on your own why you are cheating... so now try to figure out how NOT to cheat. Good luck..

Have you ever heard of PB2? google it for nutritional value. It isn't for phase 1 either but it might be something for later...
Have you posted the recipe for tai chicken in pb sauce ??? would you?

patns
07-26-2011, 02:46 PM
I think this is why they ask you to rate what level of committment you are at before we begin. If we are not at a high level of committment, it can get very expensive.
I think in your case I'd try to get away from PB flavored things altogether for a while and see if that works.

You are very close to an ideal weight so you are likely not seeing big victories like clothes fitting suddenly. That probably means you have to bring the mental consciousness to the forfront and think what am I actually going here.
Good luck with the last 10, that is a great position to be in.

Bellamack
07-26-2011, 02:56 PM
I pretty much agree with patns, but with that said, I went to a mennonite store and amoungst there flavorings, I found Peanut Butter. I add 1/2-1 tsp to a vanilla or chocolate shake or pudding and it is just enough flavor (maybe more the smell) to make me happy. The problem may be finding it. The company is Shanks. Maybe this would help :)

coliep
07-26-2011, 04:27 PM
2Ride - I was having this in place of a restricted food. I wasn't really hungry for more. I find PB very satiating and satisfying. But, I did end up buying the PB Vanilla IP bars and hope to have that instead . . . even if not the same. I also just reodred the WF PB and hope it arrives this time. I figure that might do it (though I think the chocolate syrup is gross).

I am not thrilled with the level of chemicals and artificial products I am putting in my body so the WF products may not be a good solution for me, but I am willing to try it!

I think avoiding PB might not be a bad approach if the bars and WF seem to wake the craving more than satisfy it. Might try to find that Shanks brand also.

Today has been good so far. Totally OP, had a nice jog, feeling good!!

2RIDEROLLERCOAST
07-27-2011, 01:38 AM
Have you posted the recipe for tai chicken in pb sauce ??? would you?Hi I just looked this up for someone else as well today, it is in the recipes 2 sticky, page 28... let me know if the directions are okay.

2Ride - I was having this in place of a restricted food. I wasn't really hungry for more. I find PB very satiating and satisfying. But, I did end up buying the PB Vanilla IP bars and hope to have that instead . . . even if not the same. I also just reodred the WF PB and hope it arrives this time. I figure that might do it (though I think the chocolate syrup is gross).

I am not thrilled with the level of chemicals and artificial products I am putting in my body so the WF products may not be a good solution for me, but I am willing to try it!

I think avoiding PB might not be a bad approach if the bars and WF seem to wake the craving more than satisfy it. Might try to find that Shanks brand also.

Today has been good so far. Totally OP, had a nice jog, feeling good!! The WF peanut butter is NOT good... but I do miss my peanut butter and this is an alright substitute. yesterday when I had celery I added splenda and sea salt, it made it edible... I suggest trying the Peanut butter davinci syrups... It has the smell and taste of peanut butter and will be good with vanilla pudding. I also have it with chocolate pudding. I have also added it to the wf peanut butter to try and get it tasting better. Good luck, I hope you can get through this little hurdle.

Purrfect
07-27-2011, 12:15 PM
Try the double peanut butter nashua food bars. They are equal to one restricted and are quite excellent for the pb cravings. WF PB....had to throw mine out. I'd just rather wait till phase four to have the real thing, if I even want it then. You know, things do change as we learn to be disciplined!

coliep
07-27-2011, 07:28 PM
Tonight I gave in on my son's first birthday and had some gelato. I cannot seem to stick to this diet :/ I think I am going to talk to my coach tomorrow about phasing out so hopefully I can keep off the 8 pounds i lost but at this rate I am ccertainly not losing more, I keep cheating, I am not having regular bowel movements and I really miss my exercise.

Feel disappointed in myself but trying to be realistic.

Jasesgirl
07-27-2011, 07:46 PM
nooooooo! dont leave us!

coliep
07-27-2011, 07:50 PM
You know, I don't want to. I don't even want to admit that I cheated again =( I was a little concerned about the birthday sorbet. I did just fine making it, not so good trying to get from one container to the other, then the birthday song, then I had some. I had 2 bad cheats in the last week alone. The week prior, I battled with PB (even though I don't think that took me out of ketosis). Anyway, I have concerns over what I am doing to my body if I am not sticking with this. And, I don't want to feel bad all the time about my slip ups. A "normal" diet, though not as fast, is more forgiving.

Just wish I were stronger. I feel like nobody else out there posts about chaeting more than once and all I ever read about is how I shouldn't cheat, how I am hurting my body etc. That's a hard feeling to carry around :/

I really really would love to be done with these last dang 10 pounds for good though!

Watkat
07-27-2011, 08:11 PM
If you really want to lose the last 10 pounds then stay here for a month and see what happens.
We want you to stay.

coliep
07-27-2011, 09:49 PM
Thanks Watkat! I think I'd like to stick around, too. I am going to try anew tomorrow. New day, new attitude. I will still talk to my coach about going to another phase. I think I can still lose weight on Phase 2 and Phase 3, so I will potentially just move forward with those depending on what she advises.

I appreciate the sentiment about staying - I needed to hear it and some encouragement in the face of my poor choices!