Ideal Protein Diet - Red Meat... vs Chicken and Fish




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Skurzy
07-22-2011, 08:53 PM
Hi Everyone,

Had a quick question... I just browsed through dr.tiens pdf, and read somewhere that his diet is based on eating white fish and skinless chicken for protein.. and of course our sheets have almost every type of meat you can think of. It obviously works for any meat, but I was wondering if anyone has ever just stuck with Chicken and White Fish, and if the results would be better and faster? I crashed hard on tuesday/wednesday, so i pleadged to be completely OP for a whole week and figured maybe it would be best to stick with chickenn and fish.

any thoughts???

thanks!


Purrfect
07-22-2011, 09:13 PM
Although I can't say for sure, I don't honestly think it would make alot of difference. There is more saturated fat in most red meats, but i find that variety is the real key to staying OP. Your long term results are tied to staying OP...you'll stay in ketosis eating any meat protein.

Any other thoughts? I do not have enough experience measuring loss with or without, but if it's steady that's good enough.

Skurzy
07-22-2011, 09:32 PM
thanks.. I agree..theres nothing like a good steak.. it keeps me saine on this diet.. im a savory girl..

but this week im going to try it, and let you all know how it goes for my results... having skinless chicken breast tonight, with turnip chips and cauliflour rice!...


JoseyM
07-22-2011, 09:34 PM
What about boneless lean pork chops?> I have to try the turnip fries, are they sweet? what do you season them with?

jennydoodle
07-22-2011, 10:15 PM
I'm a carnivor and having a lean steak keeps me sane as well. I do mix it up with chicken here and there, but I definitely prefer red meat. As to whether or not it affects my losses, I can't say, but I do eat majority red meat and I have lost weight every week.

JoseyM
07-22-2011, 10:50 PM
I'm a carnivor and having a lean steak keeps me sane as well. I do mix it up with chicken here and there, but I definitely prefer red meat. As to whether or not it affects my losses, I can't say, but I do eat majority red meat and I have lost weight every week.
jenny, what kind of beef do you tend to eat? I had a 6oz 80/20 burger, I probably should have gotten leaner.....

jennydoodle
07-22-2011, 11:06 PM
I have been getting this brand called "Laura's Lean Beef". I actually get it in Target. All of the steaks and ground beef are extra lean, more like a 95/5 ratio. They are also hormone free and grass fed, which is very important to me when it comes to beef. Maverick is also another great brand of lean beef that is hormone free and grass fed. I tend to stay away from the "store" brand meat, as it is usually not as lean or delicious tasting. I also, on occasion, buy meat from whole foods, and try to stick to "extra lean".

coliep
07-22-2011, 11:09 PM
I am the opposite of most posters and intentionally bought red meat today because all I ever have is chicken/ turkey / fish / seafood. I am not a fan of any chunk of red meat (i.e. steak, chops, etc), but can handle it ground. I bought 93/7 ground beef and made the "taco salad" with it.

While I have no idea, I think that having red meat only 2x a week is probably a good rule. Keep in mind you are also trying to adopt permanent life habits so, personally, I think getting used to lean fish / chicken / turkey etc. for the majority of meals is probably the best idea for overall health since larger amounts of red meat = more saturated fat = more cholesterol, etc.

That said, I agree that this diet is restrictive enough early on so I would pick the leanest version of whichever type of meat you choose and also choose a variety throughout the week. You don't want to be deprived either!
Everything in moderation, right?!?!

jennydoodle
07-22-2011, 11:22 PM
Over the years I have eaten so much chicken and turkey that I could have easily turned into one. It was all I used to eat. Once I get into maintainance, I will most likely have more balance in the meat department, but during Phase 1, it certainly helps to have a little something nice! And clearly eating only chicken and turkey did nothing for my weight, or I wouldn't be in IP ;)

Lone Loser
07-23-2011, 08:55 AM
We mix it up -- we eat fish, chicken and beef -- I "thought" fish would be better during a stall, but I don't know. We keep losing weight -- so . . . for us, it doesn't seem to matter. Just sticking to the protocol is best. We are also eating 8 oz. of meat -- no matter what kind. Believe me, eating 8 oz. of meat was very difficult at first (for me, not my husband as he is in carnivor heaven) -- but I keep losing. It is amazing what your body can do when it does not have to sort through processed food and decide what to do with it -- at least . . . that is what I am going with.

JOLINA
07-23-2011, 09:07 AM
If I stick to chicken and fish, I start to feel weak after a couple of weeks. I need to eat red meat also.

I buy my beef at a slaughterhouse. I get a wholesale price.
They supply restaurants and sell Angus beef....Great tasting.
The fat content is 12-15%
I eat about 4-6 ounces a day of meat. But it varies. Seafood, chicken, pork, beef, duck, turkey.
:dizzy:

JoseyM
07-23-2011, 10:22 AM
I have been getting this brand called "Laura's Lean Beef". I actually get it in Target. All of the steaks and ground beef are extra lean, more like a 95/5 ratio. They are also hormone free and grass fed, which is very important to me when it comes to beef. Maverick is also another great brand of lean beef that is hormone free and grass fed. I tend to stay away from the "store" brand meat, as it is usually not as lean or delicious tasting. I also, on occasion, buy meat from whole foods, and try to stick to "extra lean".
Thanks Jenny, I don't have a target here, but do have a whole foods semi- close (Leesburg) I could drive over to...preportioned is always good too.....

JoseyM
07-23-2011, 10:25 AM
I am the opposite of most posters and intentionally bought red meat today because all I ever have is chicken/ turkey / fish / seafood. I am not a fan of any chunk of red meat (i.e. steak, chops, etc), but can handle it ground. I bought 93/7 ground beef and made the "taco salad" with it.

While I have no idea, I think that having red meat only 2x a week is probably a good rule. Keep in mind you are also trying to adopt permanent life habits so, personally, I think getting used to lean fish / chicken / turkey etc. for the majority of meals is probably the best idea for overall health since larger amounts of red meat = more saturated fat = more cholesterol, etc.

That said, I agree that this diet is restrictive enough early on so I would pick the leanest version of whichever type of meat you choose and also choose a variety throughout the week. You don't want to be deprived either!
Everything in moderation, right?!?!
I guess, I just need some better ways to prepare the chicken where it is moist, not dry, that is what kills me. I do LOVE rotiserre chicken or when I make my own backed whole chicken. Imaging living in Florida, on the coast and NOT liking seafood, seems like a waste, right..... hahahahahahaa. Dad caught red fish yesterday...YUCK! talk about strong fish AND it is scallop season, we go out and get our own, and I don;t eat them!!!

leganegan
07-23-2011, 10:55 AM
Thanks Jenny, I don't have a target here, but do have a whole foods semi- close (Leesburg) I could drive over to...preportioned is always good too.....

Aw, Leesburg, How close are you too Astor? My grandparent's home is on the St. John's off highway 40 there. We try and get up there often to take care of the house and run the boat. We are trying to sell it cause they passed away and although my father loves it there, I think it is hard being there without his parents, not the same. I am in Tampa.

ItsAboutTime
07-23-2011, 11:03 AM
I'm the one who was wondering that the other night. I weighed in Thursday and was dying for a big mac in a bowl Wed night. I ate beef that night and the next because we had the kids' bible school program and the rest of the family ate what they were serving. From Wed to Thurs I had a loss of .2 from Thurs to Fri I stayed the same. Last night we had pork chops and this morning I was down a pound. Not sure if it is coincidence but I'm going to limit beef to I love chicken and pork so I can do it. I've also always been a chicken eater but I don't blame it for why I'm here. It was more the things I put WITH the chicken that got me here.

calee
07-29-2011, 02:52 PM
I'm really tired of chicken and prefer pork and beef along with shrimp and fish. I'm hoping to be able to eat a good mix on IP to keep it interesting. So far on Day 5 and I haven't missed the cheese yet.

capricious
07-29-2011, 06:41 PM
I just finished Dr. Tran's book as well and noticed there are some marked differences between his recommendations and what is on our sheets. In my experience the weeks where I eat more red meat I lose less. An all chicken/ tuna week is almost guaranteed to be a good loss. But I do enjoy variety and therefore I try to put in one red meat per week and one 'heavy' fish such as salmon. If you are trying to break a stall I would definitely be inclined to sticking to white fish/ skinless white chicken and only green vegetables for the week. In the overall scheme of things though I think it's best to mix it up for the sake of both mind and body. Your body needs the jolt that comes from processing different foods so that it doesn't have the chance to adapt- and your mind needs variety because otherwise it will become bored and that is a killer for a diet... Just my thoughts...

gettinmygrooveback
07-29-2011, 06:52 PM
I rotate between fish, chicken, ground turkey and eye of round beef. Fish and chicken are my staples but the stir fried eye of round is a nice change of pace once a week even though I have never been a big beef eater. I have done this from week one and had no issues with weight loss.

patns
07-29-2011, 10:19 PM
I guess, I just need some better ways to prepare the chicken where it is moist, not dry, that is what kills me. I do LOVE rotiserre chicken or when I make my own backed whole chicken. Imaging living in Florida, on the coast and NOT liking seafood, seems like a waste, right..... hahahahahahaa. Dad caught red fish yesterday...YUCK! talk about strong fish AND it is scallop season, we go out and get our own, and I don;t eat them!!!

I can so relate to that, I grew up in Nova Scotia and all of the cold water fish seems so strong. I can only eat very mild white fish. And scallops are so rich I can't handle them either.

Also here is a trick I learned a while ago and I got to the point where I think I'm eating a lot of ground beef and I'm not. If you mix ground chicken or ground turkey breast with ground beef it takes on the flavour of the ground beef. I go to Costco and buy the big pkgs of ground turkey breast and a big pkg of extra lean ground beef. I mix them together and freeze them in meal size lots. Hubby has never realized he is not eating ground beef only, it does taste like the ground beef. I actually use about one third ground beef to two thirds ground turkey breast as the turkey comes in bigger packages.

Pat

niknakjack
07-29-2011, 10:30 PM
I just made a pork roast in the crock pot yesterday, simmered it on low all day w/equal parts WF Maple Syrup, WF BBQ and soy sauce...added spices. It was delish and my husband liked it too.

The next day you can eat leftovers on your salad.

I also put a bit of water in crock pot too.