General Diet Plans and Questions - Intermittent Fasting coupled with low carb (Paleo, SBD...) SUPPORT
07-11-2011, 05:42 PM
I have had pretty good success with IF having lost 8 pounds since starting it the last week of June... I have also had past successes with SBD and Paleo eating styles. I just couldn't seem to keep up the low carb eating style mostly due to the need to "snack" and all those dang mini-meals. Since stumbling upon IF I now feel that I would be able to tackle the low carb lifestyle again with new found strength.
I've been searching online for info on these styles meshed together... Every since my google search of "intermittent fasting and low carb" I feel enlightened. It seems these two eating styles are a match made in heaven. I know there is already a thread for Intermittent Fasting but I am hoping to narrow it down a bit to IFers that are eating along the same path I am hoping to take. Newbies, veterans, IF/LC hopefuls...whatever, I hope to gather support for us so that we can win at losing together.
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07-11-2011, 05:50 PM
I don't know how low carb SB and Paleo are exactly, but I am a "low" carb IFer. I usually consume around 50 net carbs per day on a 1400-1500 calorie diet. My IF window is 2pm to 8pm.
I've actually been meaning to look into South Beach. A friend told me a lot of the recipes would suit the way I eat.
07-11-2011, 05:51 PM
This is me. I eat low carb (80-100g a day) and I only eat between 6am and 3pm. I work out in the evening which always suppresses my appetite and it keeps my mind off food. If I need something sweet or if I think I am hungry I will have a cup of coffee. In the beginning I was averaging a 2-2.5 pound loss a week but now that I am closer to goal it's more like 1 pound a week. But hey, that just means I'll be at goal in a short 2 months which is nothing compared to 7 months ago!
Congrats on making it into one-derland!! If you need any advice or tips please feel free to reach out to me anytime. :)
Oh....and if you workout then I recommend eating as few carbs as possible 2-3 hours before you exercise. The less carbs you have in your body the quicker the workout will target fat. I will say that this is based on my own research and I'm sure there is an article out there somewhere that says this doesn't work. But it did for me so I'll leave it at that! :)
07-11-2011, 06:37 PM
I have not actually kept track of the number of carbs because I started low carbing with SBD. That style of eating doesn't make you count anything. That is why it was so easy for me to follow...until I got skinny ;) Then the attitude kicked in... "I can eat what I want, I'm thin and I deserve it..." Well, now I'm not thin and I think I need to get back to thin but with a different mindset.:dizzy:
When I ate Paleo, I didn't keep track of net carbs either, I just ate like a primal human would eat...and it worked. The reasoning behind my quitting of that style was mostly my husbands sweets habit...and my lack of self control. :p
I found GREAT info on this combined style at justin o wings dot com. This was the site that made me have the "ah ha" moment.
My IF wndow bounces but is pretty consistently only about 3-4 hours. I also don't ever eat after dinner so my window closes around 8pm. I don't have much trouble not eating throughout the day and I usually just think of it as a good oportunity to give my kidneys a good workout :) by drinking plenty of water and green tea. (my favorite is Jasmine green tea).
I try to keep my calories around 1200-1500 but have trouble often because of starches. That's why cutting them out makes so much sense. If I don't eat them I don't have to worry about moderation.
@ Kim, Thank you for joining... I have some great low carb recipes... I'll have to find my dang recipe box and post a few here. Maybe we can swap some. :)
@ShanIAm, I'm glad you joined...I've seen you on the IF thread and hope to have as much success as you've enjoyed with IF. You are an inspiration. And thank you for the congratulations...I'm still not quite used to the idea of being under 200, but it's sinking in. I haven't really figured out my workout schedule yet, I just fit in small amounts of activity where I can because I stay home with my 6 month onld son. He is a handful but most times I am able to use his body weight to my advantage. I am thinking of getting a gym membership just to have som me time so I guess I'll worry abou the "when" of eating then. I have actually read your tip on other sites as well so you're spot on there. :)
On Friday I was wearing a workout top and yoga capris and my husband stopped what he was doing and asked, "Are you wearing Spanx?" It was the best compliment I've gotten in a long time. I simply answered, "nope:)"
07-11-2011, 06:45 PM
not to play the devils advocate (really) :) but how do you know you werent burning muscle (as opposed to fat) for fuel when you ate no/low carbs before your workout? Really, im just curious, not picking a fight or anything.... did you take BCAA's before /during to help ensure muscle maintenance?
07-11-2011, 06:54 PM
I've only just started IFing but only after the first few days I've noticed that without even thinking about it my carb count had gone WAY down. I might count my carbs tomorrow to see just how low it's gone.
For some reason the carbs just don't seem to appeal.
07-11-2011, 07:02 PM
I've found that food in general doesn't appeal by the time I get to eat. But if there's bread on the table...and it has garlic and cheese on it...I eat it ;) It's my own fault for making it though. Dang cheesy bread!
I did notice my need for sweets is gone. I ate a bite of cake this weekend and actually threw the rest away (at a baby shower). My MIL made a peach pie yesterday and I barely choked down the piece she gave me...it just tasted SO SWEET.
07-11-2011, 10:13 PM
As I sit here eating my giant bowl of cauliflower and broccoli coated in cayenne and a touch of butter I'm wondering what you wonderful ladies do for your feeding window when there's no one to feed but yourself. My husband is working late so I am on my own. I've been told that the "not hungry" feeling goes away the longer you IF, but I'm looking at 300 calories and wondering how in the heck I'm going to force feed another 900 down my gullet with low carb options... This is hard. I just really want to drink some agua and be done with eating for today but I know that I have to eat more...
07-12-2011, 02:25 AM
How odd, just a few days ago I decided to do a low-carby- IF thing. I've been logging my foods and times for a few days to get an idea of when I'm hungriest. I think my window will be in the afternoon and evenings because I was not hungry all in the mornings if I drink a cup of coffee.
07-12-2011, 01:37 PM
@ Ghost, WELCOME! It took me over a week to adjust to IF. I'm not really that hungry in the morning but I still get an urge to eat. My tummy growls, but I tried eating breakfast this weekend and I nearly puked. I ended up taking a 3 hour nap afterward because it made me so lethargic. Once your body gets the hang of it it's pretty much smooth sailing. How are you doing with low carb? Last night was my first night of it and I didn't make close to my calorie goal. I just kept eating and eating... I think I may need to open my window sooner so I have more time to eat more foods. Good Luck!
07-12-2011, 07:13 PM
@ AmberJae Made my lunch for work earlier today, lots of chopped up vegetable and a bit of hummus. I'm having difficulty eating enough calories since I've started IF. I've been averaging about 1000 calories and even eating 1000 calories has been so much effort.
07-12-2011, 09:28 PM
Low carb to one person if different the another. My body goes into ketosis really quick so I stick around 60 to 75 grams and try not to go below that. Some low carb diets make you go as low as 20 g a day for a few days, but that turns me into an idiot who passes out when she stands up too quick.
07-13-2011, 04:49 AM
An Intermittent Fasting/Low Carb/Paleo Support group! YAY!
I'm currently 26 weeks-ish pregnant (a surprise, I never expected due to being told I was practically infertile due to PCOS) As of today.. I've realized overall I feel much better with a High-Fat and Moderate-Protein diet... Carbs just make me feel horrible!!! No matter what!
Of course, my... boyfriend thinks I need to eat and the best food for a pregnant woman is nothing but Carbs, carbs and more carbs bleh!!!
As for intermittent fasting, it's just natural... I can quite happily go without food untill about 3pm as long as I have plenty of water with Braggs ACV. I then break the fast by taking my time drinking 1/2c of heavy cream. Mhhrm cream it's so sastisfying... and keeps me happy untill I get properly hungry around/ or after 7pm.
This is where my boyfriend likes to prepare carb-rich meals... Which untill now I've been complying with his wishes yet afterwards, I feel horrible... My Eczema is flaring up because I get so damn itchy afterwards and I've had an annoying cold for over 3 weeks now which turns into an unbearable uncoughing fit so soon after dinner! Grr!!!
But yay! After a somewhat lengthy disscussion and a few google searches, the boyfriend is somewhat grudgingly accepting my choice for a more high-fat and moderate protein approach.
Tonights dinner shall be 2 hard boiled eggs, 4 chicken drumsticks covered in a reduced cream/butter sauce! and... a handful of veggies/ or fruit... to keep boyfriend happy with at least some carbs.
A compromise, but better than a big heaping of carbs.
07-13-2011, 12:31 PM
I'm sorry I was absent yesterday...
Welcome, welcome, welcome Anonymia !
I'll be back later...At the moment the baby monitor is buzzing:)
07-13-2011, 12:52 PM
I've been playing around with IF for the last week or so, and I'm really loving it. I've always eaten breakfast because I'm 'supposed' to, but I'm never actually hungry until much later. Now, by not making myself eat in the morning, I can save those calories for when I actually want to eat, which is in the evening. I'm also one of those people that once I start eating, all I can think about is food-- when I'm not eating, I don't think about it!
I've also been doing SBDish for the last four months (taken a few hard falls off of the wagon in the last month or so, but I keep getting back on).
I'm really looking forward to seeing how everyone else is doing with this!
07-13-2011, 10:25 PM
I had a weigh in today and was down 2.2 lbs. That was motivational. I wasn't going to eat this morning, I'm not a breakfasted, but after I got done with my neighbors treadmill I felt like I was going to pass out. So I had a lot of water and then an omelet. I felt better instantly. Just cooking the omelet made me feel better, lol! Anyways, lesson learned is to work out at night after my window so I'm fueled.
That is one looooong moment Amber.
07-13-2011, 11:41 PM
@ Amber: Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! I'm glad to be here, hehe.
Well so far, so good. I get to break my fast with some yummy cream in about half'n hour! Yay! I always find that breaking the fast with fat helps in stabilizing my hunger for when I actually do properly have a meal and it won't lead me down the path of temptation in overstuffing myself with food, food and more food...
I still have yet to plan dinner on my end of the world, but I'll figure that out as the time to eat draws near.
07-14-2011, 04:13 AM
I agree, I love this combo . & something i can see working for me in maintenace
07-14-2011, 06:47 AM
Anyone found a way to exercise in the morning before breaking fast?
07-14-2011, 01:35 PM
No Kidding! I'm mildly irritated. I posted a response yesterday on my phone, but I guess I didn't wait long enough for it to post before I went on to another window... :( Hmmm, now I must find my train of thought...
Welcome Ari! I am also a person that keeps eating once I start. I am having a big problem getting enough calories though. I'm actually looking into the effects of going under 1200 per day to make sure that until I figure out a way to eat more (with no breads or grains) I'm not messing up my body. Interestingly I ready that bariatric patients are put on diets of less that 800 caloriec per day for up to 12 weeks... This has no ill effect on their health, in fact, it has the opposite. Hmmm, I think I may need to re-evaluate my window.
I find that if I eat lunch, I'm not hungry again until late in the evening. THis makes for a much larger window than 5 hours (my original plan). I guess I just have to keep tweaking. :)
07-14-2011, 01:54 PM
:cp:Congratulations Ghost! 2.2 lbs is a grerat loss. It will keep you motivated. As far as working out while fasted...I felt that way a few days into IFing and just had to break out a Backcountry Bar. Ahhh, just opening the wrapper made me feel 10x better. Now that I've adjusted to this style of eating I have found it much easier for me to go for a hike or jog in the middle of the day even after fasting for 14-16 hours. I doubt I could do much more intensity like strenuous weights or serious sweat-you-butt-off cardio until after I'm currently trying to plead with my husband to give up some of our "watch tv together" time after my son goes to sleep so I can hit the gym for some more intense training.
Anonymia, CREAM! Yum! That may be just the thing I need to increase my calories to where thy need to be...I would probably have to have fruit with it though ;) Since I'm doing low carb/sugar, I don't know how well that would work for me... MMM, I think I have some half and half in the fridge now....;)
Welcome Mishflyn! I'm excited to see how well this combo works for all of us. I have TOM this week so the scale is not my friend, but next week, it'll be smoothe sailing. :cool:
TheMankiNeko, I had a hard time adjusting when I firs started. I would get light headed and get headaches during liesurely strolls... I think I'm pretty well adjusted now. I can run/walk, hike and do stairs and not have a problem. I am trying to push a high intensity workout into my evenings after feeding though. I wouldn't try anything too strenuous without some energy onboard. I would suggest adgusting your activity to the level that you feel uncomfortable and then dial it back a notch. You may be surprised at how your body adjusts. :)
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07-14-2011, 07:32 PM
Does anyone struggle with facial bloat when they IF? I did a straight 24 hour this week, and one last week, and while the scale likes it my face does not. I got really bloated, particularly under my eyes. My maxillary sinuses actually hurt. I was definitely properly hydrated, and it wasn't allergies or a sinus infection. Any experience with this???
07-14-2011, 08:17 PM
AmberJae I think I'm going to try doing my Saturday morning swim without breaking fast this week. I'll bring some food just in case though. I'm mainly worried because it's an hour and a half swim, it's usually quite high intensity as well. Because it's a group session it is out of my control how hard the session is. Though if I feel light headed I can always take a cheeky break. Hopefully I can adjust, it'll probably be better than eating breakfast beforehand, it always make me feel sick.
07-15-2011, 11:31 PM
@ TheManekiNeko: The best advice I can give is make sure you keep well hydrated with water, water and more water! You definitely need to be patient and wait for your body to adjust to the notion that you're not providing it with extra unnecessary fuel... So take it easy. It only took 3 days for myself to adjust the first time I tried IF and then out of the blue I was just overwhelmed with so much energy, I just couldn't sit still. Be patient with yourself, the outcome is worth it.
@ Amber: Oh yes Cream being so calorie dense helps increase my caloric intake, otherwise I'd be very, very low on calories without meaning to be and admittedly even with the cream, I sometimes am. I'm thinking of maybe adding in another 'Fat' option along with the cream just to increase my caloric intake further...
Ugh! last night was just a nightmare! I didn't get hungry till about 10:30pm! and then eating my very late dinner of a nice big hunk of steak was just a hassle... A few bites and then I no longer wanted any, then a few mintues later... I wanted more!!! ...It was about 1:30am when I finally finished eating...
I hope today, I'll be ravenous with hunger!
07-16-2011, 01:08 AM
Anonymia, does eating that late at night give you heartburn?
I had a good day today, if a little weird. I have officially decided mid day windows are not for me. Had a lunch meeting today so my window was from noon till 5pm. Lunch was a pan seared chicken breast, no sauce and steamed veggies. And then about two hours later I had ground sirloin browned and fat drained mixed with fat free sour cream and jalapeņos ( yum). And then things chit so busy at work that the rest of the window passed without me eating anything else. Right now I'm starving and thirsty, and I'm going to eat some packaged prepared chicken breast dipped on ranch. With more jalapeņos. I was down another .7 of a pound this morning.
07-17-2011, 02:09 PM
An hour and a half swim without eating is not a good idea. Although I didn't feel light headed my training definitely suffered. Also afterwards I was starving, not the usual dull hunger. Might have to work out a way of having a small breakfast before training on a Saturday.
07-19-2011, 08:40 AM
[QUOTE=AmberJae;3931457On Friday I was wearing a workout top and yoga capris and my husband stopped what he was doing and asked, "Are you wearing Spanx?" It was the best compliment I've gotten in a long time. I simply answered, "nope:)"[/QUOTE]
Good for you! My husband wouldn't have the slightest idea what "Spanx" are! LOL
07-19-2011, 11:31 AM
Hi all! I don't IF yet... but I have been reading about it for the past couple days and want to try. I currently do high fat/moderate protein/low carb... My carbs aren't super low though as I eat a butt ton of vegetables and am not afraid of berries. (So I average 50-70 g, 40-50 net/day) I love eating this way. It feels phenomenal.
I'm a little anxious about starting IF though. Do you guys suggest starting on a weekend or anything, so I can sleep off the hunger if need be? Or should I start on a weekday so I'm keeping myself busy with work? How did you feel (aside from hungry) for the first few days? Is there an ideal window length?
07-19-2011, 11:24 PM
I honestly felt fine, and when I ate it was guilt free and because I didn't have to worry about calorie consumption I didn't have anxiety over what I was choosing. When I eat low carb I usually don't often feel hungry.
I'd like to join your group. I'm just starting the low carb thing, and feeling good about it. I think low carbing it will help me stop eating extra snacks. It just seems like carbs make you want more carbs. Getting back to the basics sounds healthy to me. What a refreshing idea!
07-20-2011, 04:08 PM
Hey all! Welcome new comers! I have recently traded a LOT of my internet time in for good old fashioned exercise. :) I'm finding checkin gthis once or twice a day rather than hitting refresh because i'm board has a much better effect on my ticker;)
I'm still here though:)
I just got off the elliptical and feel great. For lunch, I had a spinach salad with canned salmon. Then had a frozen banana for dessert. Yum!
Amber, cute baby!! How old?
This is day 2 of my low carb eating plan. Had a pork chop and veggies for dinner. Will have an egg substitute omlette and a banana for breakfast in a few minutes. Will exercise later on.
How's everyone else?
07-21-2011, 12:18 PM
Hello guys! I want to join in. I started SBD about a month ago and I haven't lost much, about 6lbs.
I try to stay away from carbs all together (at least white ones) but I try to enough healthy ones like cauliflower, bananas, corn, etc. I haven't had a slice of bread in over a month? Do you know what an accomplishment this is for me?? I use to go grab a slice of bread as a snack, lol.
Morgan, Wow, 6 lbs. lost is great! Congrats to you! Keep up the great work!!
And not eating bread for a month is a major accomplishment. (It's only been a few days for me.)
This plan is actually making me feel better, like I'm back in control. And the good part is that I'm not having any cravings like I did when I ate foods with flour.
07-21-2011, 07:17 PM
You know, I thought not eating bread was going to be crazy hard but after I got past the first 2 weeks of SBD its been super easy. I use to eat a sandwich for lunch everyday and a biscuit/roll/etc with dinner but I have broken both habits. I now eat a salad everyday for lunch and I eat an extra portion of veggies with dinner.
I definately agree about feeling in control. Starting SBD (or any diet plan, I would think) has given me that feeling back. I didn't feel in control since I got pregnant with my son and eating right combined with exercise is something, I know, I can absolutely control and it makes me proud/feel good when I am doing the best I can.
07-22-2011, 03:37 AM
ive lost most of mine doing Lowcarb/IF (started IF about a month in after finding this forum) & it works a treat for me. I do 1 or 2 IF days(20-24hours) a week, the rest is either lowlcal/low carb or a mini fast (12 hours).
What i really like, is that im happy eating this way, suits me my appetite & lifestyle & i can see how i can tweak into maintenance easily!
07-22-2011, 03:42 AM
Today is a mini 12hr fast day. Ive had my breakfast at 6am ( i DO have carbs in a ceral form (bran flakes) for breakie if i eat breakie) now nothing until 6/7 pm tonight. Im having Burgers with Mushrooms & peas! Over theweekend i hope to do two IF days as im away at dog shows & it suits /easy to get done! hoping for some lower pounds on Monday!
Wow, everyone is doing great! This helps me keep motivated, too. This morning I had my egg substitute omlette with spinach and dried tomatoes. It was great! Then I had my yogurt. I'm actually satisfied.
I've been reading that eating less carbs also keeps your mind in balance. This plan is good for people with depression, arthritis, diabetes and a myriad of other medical issues. Looks like we're on the right track!!
MISHFLYNN, that's great that you can fast like that! Kudos to you!! Still haven't tried that one. It looks a little scary to me.LOL So for now I'll stick to low carbing it. (I've only been at this 3 days now.) Tell us what do you do at the dog shows? Are you a dog handler, a judge, or other? What kind of dog do you have? I love dogs!
07-23-2011, 06:19 AM
@ Ghost: I only get heartburn because of my baby and usually I find it's because I'm lying in a wrong postion, sitting up and taking a few deep breaths helps ease my discomfort other than that, I've never ever experienced heartburn due to late night eating.
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Things have been a bit hectic on my end, my boyfriend is concerned I'm not eating enough... (of course if he had something living and growing inside of him, i'm certain he'd feel pretty full all the time...) So another compromise, my weekend-fasts are broken around midday instead of the usual time and I am to eat anything my heart desires (ie: He wants me eating carbs) So weekends are now considered an 'anything-and-everything' weekend.
I'm not particularly happy about it, yet I get to eat how I want during the week, so a compromise is a compromise...
07-23-2011, 10:25 AM
Hi Guys! I was just reading through this thread and was wondering how many hours per day are you supposed to fast? Is there another link with the "how to's" of IF? I am not a big breakfast eater (other than my coffee) and would like to give this a try. Thanks.
07-25-2011, 02:24 AM
@ Saggzz: Hiya and welcome!
When I first started with Intermittent Fasting, I was following a 'fast-5' lifestyle... In which you fast untill your eating window, (any time in which suits you) mine was from 3pm - 8pm and then you fast untill 3pm the very next day.
Once my body adjusted to my new eating regime, My eating window gradually lessened to either 1 or 3 hours... But nowadays, I only eat when I'm truly, honestly hungry...
There are many methods of Intermittent Fasting, I suggest using Google to find what best suits you and keep us chickee's updated with your progress!
07-25-2011, 01:51 PM
In the support section of the messages is a thread on IF if you read through you can get some great answers.
I would post a link, but I don't know how.
02-15-2013, 07:22 PM
I've been doing IFing and paleo for at least 6 months now. I have the occassional cheat day, like once every two weeks, but no flour and rarely simple carbs. On cheat days, I might eat a corn tortilla or beans. Anyway, I started at 220lbs at 5'6 and am now 155. With my fasting, I fast 4-5 days a week with an eating window of say 4-8. I eat about 800 fasting and 1200-1500 non fasting.
I don't exercise and I know there are benefits, but I also know that calorie restriction will shed the pounds. But I am stuck. My BMI is still "overweight" at 25 and my weight range is like 115 to 154 (missed it by a pound! lol). I am small framed using 2 different measuring techniques, so I should be at the lower end of the range. I am super tiny at 135 though...like I wear a 3 at 5'6 when I weigh 135.
Anyway, I'm stuck at 155. With fasting and paleo/low carb will I overcome this plateau in time :?: or do I have to add exercise?
02-15-2013, 07:50 PM
Anyway, I'm stuck at 155. With fasting and paleo/low carb will I overcome this plateau in time :?: or do I have to add exercise?
Fat loss is an equation of energy. Energy is measured in calories.
If you're in a decifit your weight will go down, exercise or no. Based on your diet I'm guessing you're in a deficit still.
Exercise is a very good idea for health reasons. You don't have to do much. 20 minutes of elevated heart rate 3x a week is sufficient to give you much of the cardiovascular benefit which can be accomplshed through brisk walking.
If you haven't been at the same weight for 8 weeks then what you need is patience. The scale only measures weight, not fat. If 8 weeks have gone by and you're stuck then you need to reevaluate.