General chatter - Yikes! My kid's teacher was put on administrative leave!




fitness4life
05-13-2011, 02:29 PM
In the past, this math teacher has been viewed as inappropriate by some parents, for slow dancing with a middle school student while chaparoning the middle school dance.

I know him to be arrogant. His wife left him this fall and before Christmas, he was flaunting his 20 something year old girlfriend (he's 40) at his daughter's sport events.

So now he's on administrative leave. All us parents got was a letter explaining that our children will be taught by a qualified sub, the kids are getting gentle guidance through "this difficult" time.

There is no explaination of the nature of the teacher's offense. Some kids say it has something to do with his computer.

You can imagine what is going through my mind - worst case scenario - and I want real answers and not just gossip!

Should I call the school?


bargoo
05-13-2011, 02:32 PM
I doubt if the school will give you any more information than they already have. They should be upfront about it as not knowing will cause rumors to fly.

BeTrueToYou
05-13-2011, 02:34 PM
I am disgusted for you, though I think that the school cannot legally tell you anything :( I am a teacher and I know that teachers and administration have a very tight cap on what can and cannot be said. I am happy that he is gone though!


chase1984
05-13-2011, 02:55 PM
have you by chance checked the schools website for information? you MIGHT be able to look up his court records as well to see if you can find out information. I dont think the school can tell you anything even if you are concerned for your child which is kinda sad you have a right to know...hope you find out what you want to know dear!

fitness4life
05-13-2011, 03:37 PM
K, I checked the website - nothing. I C-CAPped the teacher - nothing. Weird, though, not even his divorce was listed.

If there are such strict information "laws", then how does the media get info on such things? I would guess that a criminal offense had taken place in those scenarios. Maybe he didn't commit a crime, and my thinking is much worse than what really happened.

But if that's the case, doesn't this teacher deserve to have the parents know that it's not a creepy offense?

sacha
05-13-2011, 03:45 PM
K, I checked the website - nothing. I C-CAPped the teacher - nothing. Weird, though, not even his divorce was listed.

If there are such strict information "laws", then how does the media get info on such things? I would guess that a criminal offense had taken place in those scenarios. Maybe he didn't commit a crime, and my thinking is much worse than what really happened.

But if that's the case, doesn't this teacher deserve to have the parents know that it's not a creepy offense?

As a mother I would say yes, you deserve to know (because I sure as heck would!!!), but legally the district would be opening itself up to possible defamation actions, possibly breaking it's own privacy policies, and if it's a criminal offense, then violating freedom of information acts. Unless it comes out in the rumor mill, it will probably be months or even years before you truly know!

DixC Chix
05-13-2011, 07:06 PM
K, I checked the website - nothing. I C-CAPped the teacher - nothing. Weird, though, not even his divorce was listed.

If there are such strict information "laws", then how does the media get info on such things? I would guess that a criminal offense had taken place in those scenarios. Maybe he didn't commit a crime, and my thinking is much worse than what really happened.

But if that's the case, doesn't this teacher deserve to have the parents know that it's not a creepy offense?

Did you check civil and criminal court records for the state and the surrounding counties?

Keep checking those sites as there may be up to a 6 month delay for updates (especially the civil actions).

Does you local newspaper have a "police blotter" section? Check that too.

Here is a website for free crime alerts http://www.crimereports.com/
I subscribe for my neighborhood.

cbmare
05-13-2011, 07:26 PM
His divorce may not be final, if in fact one was filed.

He may not have committed a crime. Good Lord, if marrying someone half your age lands you in jail, then I would have been because my late husband and I had 27 years between us.

PDA with the girlfriend at his daughter's sporting event shouldn't be illegal. Not recommended but not illegal unless he had his hand down her pants or something.

How close were they when he was slow dancing with the student. If it was the old hold your partner out in the box step, then that shouldn't be an issue. However, the slow dancing with the student is what really upset people.

IA with the others, the school district has to protect itself. They won't say anything until an investigation is complete. However, have you called the local newspaper and asked them if they know anything? That would be sneaky way to get some info.

I just hope your kid will have a good sub and will continue to learn. How much was this teacher liked? I truly hope there was no kiddie porn on the computer. Porn in school is bad enough and should get some charges, but kiddie porn is going to mean (as it should) jail time.

Let us know what you find out.

fitness4life
05-13-2011, 09:43 PM
Well, I misspelled his name so when I realized that, his divorce did show up on C-CAP. Nothing else. I found out that the paper is running a story on it so I'll find out on Wed.

cbmare - Thank you for reminding us to keep things in perspective. I hope my statement was clear that others had a problem with the dance (i did not witness, I do not judge) and that my only judgement was he was arrogant based on my own dealings with him. As far as the gf at the sport events...I don't care if she just showed up and they didn't even speak. The mom had been kicked out that same month. His daughter deserves more than a few weeks to process what happened.

blackace86
05-13-2011, 11:22 PM
i would definatley call... it's your child and you deserve to know all the details of whats going on!

fitness4life
05-14-2011, 01:57 PM
So today I ran into a teacher in the same district. She didn't even know the math teacher was put on leave. It seems the school is trying to keep this under the radar. That can either mean it's not a big deal. Or that it's a REALLY big deal.

I'll post later when I find out what "it" is.

sacha
05-15-2011, 11:33 AM
With three kids through school and working in education - been there, done that.

Another reason they are not going to tell you. What if he is innocent of the offense that put him on leave? Anyone can be accused of any number of crimes. There are kids out there dealing with tons of troubles and they don't always act in anyone's best interest. If your daughter is not showing any sign of emotional upset then she was safely in the background. She will probably want to discuss it and take her cues from you about how to handle it.

Exactly this. When a teacher is put on leave, it's not uncommon for some pretty nasty defaming rumors to occur. You can only imagine if one child whispers "child porn" how that fire spreads. And those accusations can lead to depression, law suits, or even suicide. Seen it happen a few times. It's best to keep things under wraps so as not to encourage this sort of thing.

If he was truly considered a danger to the children at this point, the district would have notified the police and some sort of no-contact conditions would already be in place.

ryeb
05-15-2011, 05:39 PM
I don't think his personal divorce life should really matter. Maybe this is healthier for the daughter now. You don't know what happened behind doors.

If it is about a computer, I would just guess porn, not kiddie, but just porn. OR maybe he was downloading music that he wasn't supposed to. I work for the government and I saw someone get "time on the street" for downloading music.... Maybe he was put on leave because his personal life was too much to bare while he taught. maybe it was a mutual thing for him to take leave.

EZMONEY
05-15-2011, 08:57 PM
...... Some kids say it has something to do with his computer.


Several years ago when my son was a first year teacher one of his students, a girl, came into another class to make-up a test. When she was finished she took it forward to his desk, while the other students were studying quietly.

My son told her "thanks for coming in"....

One of the boys in the class, a friend of the girl's boyfriend, thought he heard something like..."I will see you tonight"....

The boyfriend was having a lot of teen-age issues with this girl at the time...long story short...

after meeting with the principal/the girl/her parents/the boys parents and several students present (all supporting my son) and the boyfriend the issue was dismissed....

kids say the darndest things....sometimes

In no way am I sticking up for or against the teacher since I have ZERO fatcs...and I am ALL FOR our children being protected....

It is a sad :( story when, in this day and age, a teacher cannot hug a child to comfort them....

fitness4life
05-18-2011, 08:06 PM
Here it is. He was arrested today for viewing child porn on his computer at school.

cbmare
05-18-2011, 08:15 PM
Well, that certainly changes things. He couldn't keep it at home? Home is illegal, too, but he is stupid!

If this is infact true, then I hope he is married to the guy who smokes the most cigarettes in prison.

Stupid should hurt.

DixC Chix
05-18-2011, 09:49 PM
That explains everything (dancing, sudden divorce,young girlfriend) in the background you gave us.

Why do they think they won't get caught.

Throw the book at 'em.

sacha
05-19-2011, 10:26 AM
Here it is. He was arrested today for viewing child porn on his computer at school.

I'm so sorry to hear that! Glad that you know now. Arrested TODAY means if they had released the info prior and police decided not to press charges, he could have (depending on details) had grounds to sue the school board for defamation. It is unfortunate but at least now the reasons are known. Hopefully there is justice in the trial.

fitness4life
05-19-2011, 10:44 AM
Yeah, pretty heavy stuff. I cannot believe this is happening in our ideal, small town.

At this point, even though this man's life is ruined no matter what, I pray that, like a previous poster said, it may be a misunderstanding.

My worst fear is that actual abuse with his students is discovered. You never know, once Pandora's box has been opened...

sacha
05-19-2011, 10:57 AM
I work in policing myself. Unfortunately, it's just as much, if not more common, in the small ideal towns (as victims seem to be even more scared to come forward). Hopefully a misunderstanding, and if not, hopefully there are no more victims aside from of course the poor children abused for the pictures. I can't imagine that happening in my boy's school (he's only 11 months), not looking forward to the day where he's out of my sight :(

fitness4life
05-19-2011, 12:46 PM
All parents just got an email - a school district alert - that explains what he did and how he got caught.

He was viewing child porn on his school computer. This includes chats, pictures and video. One of the charges is forcing a minor to view inappropriate material. He was checked out on a suspicion. The system has a monitor for inappropriate material. They review the history and it kept getting worse, the more they saw. The email left no room for possible innocence. It directly stated that in no way was this teacher ever going to be employed by the district again. They must been darned sure of his guilt.

I think it's obvious the district couldn't say anything until the arrest was made and the charges filed. I think they followed proper protocol with the exception that they neglected to presume innocence until the trial finds him guilty, but that's OK by me.

zoodoo613
05-19-2011, 01:00 PM
I don't think they should have to presume him innocent. There is (and should be) a different standard for allowing him to teach those kids, than for sending him to jail.

I have a family member who was first suspended and eventually fired for saying inappropriate things at school. He's nuts. He thinks it was a big conspiracy and that the principal just had it in for him, and resents the fact of a politically correct culture. He honestly thinks that as long as he would never do X (have inappropriate contact with a student, discriminate against someone, etc.), it's OK to make jokes about it.

I think he's wrong, and I'm not sorry he was fired. (I do wish he didn't see himself as a victim though.) He's not guilty of any crime, but the fact is he's not fit to be around/influencing kids.

It sounds like your school handled things as well as can be expected.

cbmare
05-19-2011, 01:10 PM
I'm surprised the teacher's union hasn't jumped to his defense. Since he is on administrative leave, is he being paid? It does happen in some areas. The teachers merely report to some room and sit there all day. They collect their pay while awaiting trial or disciplinary actions.

I'm also surprised that the emails are going out stating that he'll never work there again. While I feel, from your descriptions, that he is guilty, part of me wants a trial so there is no doubt.

JuliaDH
05-19-2011, 01:12 PM
Well, that certainly changes things. He couldn't keep it at home? Home is illegal, too, but he is stupid!

If this is infact true, then I hope he is married to the guy who smokes the most cigarettes in prison.

Stupid should hurt.

He could not keep it at home as porn of any sort is addictive like many other addictions.

cbmare
05-19-2011, 01:36 PM
He could not keep it at home as porn of any sort is addictive like many other addictions.

I meant viewing it at home instead of at school. I understand the addiction, but he KNEW that is against school policy. If he didn't, then he should be in pain because like I said, "Stupid Should Hurt".

Porthardygurl
05-19-2011, 02:36 PM
I think you should leave this situation alone. You got a letter from the school saying that there would be a substitute teacher to replace him . Why do you feel its necessary to go and search more into an issue, when they already found a soloution to the problem? Does knowing exactly what he did or knowing exactly what happend, help put your mind at ease? Or is it just another thing to talk about amongst others? Sorry for sounding so harsh, but i find it rediculous how people go on talking and prying when they already have been given a soloution to the problem.

Munchy
05-19-2011, 02:57 PM
I'm surprised the teacher's union hasn't jumped to his defense. Since he is on administrative leave, is he being paid? It does happen in some areas. The teachers merely report to some room and sit there all day. They collect their pay while awaiting trial or disciplinary actions.

I'm also surprised that the emails are going out stating that he'll never work there again. While I feel, from your descriptions, that he is guilty, part of me wants a trial so there is no doubt.

I work at a school and was president of our union in the past. If a staff person is suspended on suspicion of something, they are typically on paid leave while the investigation is ongoing. When something happens (like this one getting arrested), the pay stops.

In terms of legal issues like this, our union has no grounds to stand on, and therefore no involvement.

JuliaDH
05-19-2011, 03:06 PM
I meant viewing it at home instead of at school. I understand the addiction, but he KNEW that is against school policy. If he didn't, then he should be in pain because like I said, "Stupid Should Hurt".

But that is part of the addiction. Policy does not matter the need to be satisfied becomes more important.

JuliaDH
05-19-2011, 03:09 PM
I think you should leave this situation alone. You got a letter from the school saying that there would be a substitute teacher to replace him . Why do you feel its necessary to go and search more into an issue, when they already found a soloution to the problem? Does knowing exactly what he did or knowing exactly what happend, help put your mind at ease? Or is it just another thing to talk about amongst others? Sorry for sounding so harsh, but i find it rediculous how people go on talking and prying when they already have been given a soloution to the problem.

Well said

myhaloisintheshop
05-19-2011, 03:29 PM
i know if something like this happened at my kids school I would want to know what happened and details. The teacher would be someone that spent time with my child and I have every right to know what type of person he REALLY is.

fitness4life
05-20-2011, 12:39 AM
I think you should leave this situation alone. You got a letter from the school saying that there would be a substitute teacher to replace him . Why do you feel its necessary to go and search more into an issue, when they already found a soloution to the problem? Does knowing exactly what he did or knowing exactly what happend, help put your mind at ease? Or is it just another thing to talk about amongst others? Sorry for sounding so harsh, but i find it rediculous how people go on talking and prying when they already have been given a soloution to the problem.

Hi. Um...well...I am leaving it alone. The original post was a week before we parents got ANY answers as to what nature the leave was from. The more recent posts are from today. My last post's last sentence was "that's OK by me" meaning I'm done with the situation from a personal stand point.

Pardon me for lashing out - it's been about the worst day of my life - but I object to the notion that I am interested in this situation only for gossipy reasons. This is a totally freak-me-out situation where my child was being taught all year by a man with 65 counts of child porn. Before I knew this was a fact, all I had was gossip. I was questioning the proper way to go about finding if my child was OK without being gossipy - the exact opposit of what your post implied.

Again. sorry for lashing out. I guess I've had enough. I'm going to bed.

Miss Blue
05-23-2011, 09:10 AM
I don't know what the procedure is like over there. But when I was at school, are deputy head got escorted out of the school during school hours, and his office closed off, and his computer was taken as evidence.
To begin with no one knew what was happening, it was all running on rumour. It turns out that he was e-mailing his daughters friend who was a student at the school, and pretending to be a 14 year old boy. The only reason we found out about this is because it went to the local press. The school released a statement but had to be sensitive, because of the pupil who was the victim, and the fact his wife worked as a teacher at the school and his 2 children attended the school.
Unfortunately, he got let off, and went on to groom another young child else where in the country. Where this time it hit national press in the UK and as far as I'm aware he is locked behind bars and made to sign the sex offenders list.
I just feel so sorry for his family, his son has been beaten up on numerous occasions, due to what his dad did.

Porthardygurl
05-23-2011, 10:59 AM
Please forgive me then.. I was misunderstanding that you knew nothing what was going on at the time. Of course you have a right to know whats going on with your own child. Being a parent myself, i understand that it would be difficult. I just want to let you know, i didnt mean to say that you would gossip about it.. i was generalizing..Ive watched parents in the past tear teachers up and down with gossip and instead of leaving it alone after its solved, the drama goes on... And its like..leave it alone ya know?? I mean..why do people have to talk about it..its already caused enough damage already with the information provided..and i am in no way standing upfor any individual who would do something as disgusting and innapropriate as that but regardless of what they have done, they still have a family too..or most do..and it will be that much harder when the family finds out..

And good for you for wanting to go about it the repsectful and non gossipy way..Its good to know that there are still people out there who have respect and dignity.

fitness4life
05-23-2011, 12:06 PM
No problem, porthardygurl! Thanks for understanding.

The community, for the most part, is still in shock and tid bits of info/gossip are circulating. I just say, "Let's pray for his daughter and we'll separate fact from fiction during the trial." but it does seem that one set of "facts" differs from another set of "facts". The official charges on C-CAP differ from those named in the official email from the school. It just seems that there's more to the story but all I know is my kid is fine and is unaffected in any way so for me, this is over.

cbmare
05-23-2011, 02:35 PM
I just feel so sorry for his family, his son has been beaten up on numerous occasions, due to what his dad did.

There is absolutely no excuse for his family having to suffer. His son didn't do it. He should not be beaten up.