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tcstart
04-18-2011, 02:08 PM
Hello all, I was wondering if anyone has tried this new product? I had tried another one where you ate a bar that was supposed to fill your stomach and thereby reduce what you ate. Nope, still hungry. I keep seeing this product everywhere. The theory sounds good, but what of the reality?


DixC Chix
04-19-2011, 04:33 PM
Claims to have a 90% achievement rate. Apparently, you try to eat/drink a glob (could not find anything to say what is in it) and it fills your tummy for the day and you thereby try to eat 50% much less and eliminate weight. In doing study on the net on this firm or diet I can ONLY find data posted by the business RocaLabs by itself.

Looks like a comprehensive rip-off to me. All you will eliminate is $ 480. If they are publishing their individual “research” I am betting no one else would be capable to substantiate their good results rate.

They do not reveal the impact on the rest of the gastrointestinal tract or other body systems. Doesn't sound good.

Morethananumber
04-19-2011, 05:01 PM
I am doing the fullbar you mentioned. Did you follow it like you were suppose to? Eat before your meal or before 2 meals and drink it with a glass of water? I have played around with it, im on day 6 of it, and found if i eat it closer to dinner, then i dont eat as much at dinner or after dinner, my problem time...but if i ate it before lunch, i wasnt "stuffed" the rest of the day, but i still wasnt starving like i use to be either. Its NOT designed to make you stuffed and not eat. Its designed to help you eat less. instead of eating 6 slices of pizza, you eat 2-3.


Suzanne 3FC
04-24-2011, 12:04 PM
WARNING

Oh gosh... Where do I begin!

First, it's a fiber/gum mixture that swells when combined with water. There are similar but much cheaper (pennies) options out there.

But here's the kicker - Their "terms" (https://www.rocalabs.com/terms.aspx)state that whether or not it affects your appetite is up to you, not them. You agree not to eat calorie rich foods. You agree that you determine the success of your weight loss through individual will. (willpower?) You agree never to publish or state anywhere that the product does not work for you and if you say so they will sue you for slander. I have NEVER heard of this before!

No claim and/or complaint will be accepted regarding the lack of success of the Diet, in creating a lack of appetite. The announcement/writing/publication of any such or other claim in any media will constitute a breach of agreement, to which the Customer entered willingly and with full knowledge of the components of the Diet and its properties. As such, any claim as aforementioned will constitute slander and/or libel, and all remedies will be pursued accordingly.

So if you try this product and find that it doesn't work for you, you cannot come back here and tell us about your experience and you can't blog about it anywhere.

Something else to remember - Real gastric bypass surgery is forced calorie restriction. You truly can't eat very much food. As a result, you must follow a special diet and consume special protein supplements, etc. Even with the special diet you will probably lose hair and experience other health problems until you are able to consumer larger amounts of food later. If you are choosing to voluntarily cut your food consumption that low, as this product indicates will happen, you're probably not doing yourself a favor. Weight Loss Surgery is a drastic last resort option which requires extensive medical and psychological counseling prior to surgery.

My best suggestion - don't be in such a hurry. Eat less, move more.

kaplods
04-24-2011, 11:48 PM
I've tried various versions of this (they've been around for 50 years AT LEAST). Essentially it's fiber in some form, and the water increases the volume of the fiber, and gives you the physical sensation of less room in your stomach.

But hunger signals don't only come from your stomach, they also come from your brain and hormones. My problem with high-and moderate-carb diets is that even when my stomach feels full to bursting, I still feel what I call "rabid hunger" the feeling that I'm hungry and must eat, even sometimes when my stomach is hurting from eating too much.

I did find them somewhat helpful, but at too big a price tag (literally and figuratively).

1. You have to drink a lot of water or you end up painfully constipated (and it doesn't fill your stomach).

2. If you drink too much water, you can end up with diarrhea.

3. You may experience a lot of gas and abdominal pain (both the embarassing kind, and the painful, can't do anything about it kind).

4. You may experience an unpredictable combination of all three symptoms.

5. If you have even a mild case of IBS, you'll probably experience all of the above symptoms, to a life-altering degree (and you'd better be prepared to have constant and immediate access to a restroom at all times. You may get little warning until the issue is urgent, and if any obstacle stands between you and the restroom, someone could get hurt).

jennyg03
04-25-2011, 10:29 PM
Hi,
I watched several video diaries on You tube from real people who are currently using this powder from Roca Labs. It is referred to as a no surgery gastric bypass. The 480.00 is for a 4 month supply and you get 4 bags of the powder and one bag of anti-craving powder and the measuring container to mix in as well as a container for storage. You mix a scoop of the powder with water and crystal lite (for taste) and then shake it and drink it...or you can let it sit and it turns thick and you can eat it. Anyway, they say you must drink plenty of water with it and from what they have shown is that they are really losing a lot of weight...I am seriously considering this but want more information. I liked the fact that real people were posting videos of their experience with this stuff. I didn't want to go by the advertisements by Roca lab because you can never tell what is real or not. Anyway, check out the videos and see.

Nola Celeste
04-26-2011, 12:23 AM
I'm trying to get why paying 480 bucks for concentrated fiber is preferable to paying fifty or sixty bucks and getting a big wheelbarrow full of high-fiber vegetables and fruit. The fruit and veggies are a cheaper, better-tasting form of getting bulk with few calories, aren't they? Or are these physical fillers different from physically filling low-carb/low-cal vegetables?

I admit that sometimes I throw mixed greens on my plate solely as filler and eat them strictly for that reason instead of because they're just so yum-yum-GOOD, but they still taste better than a powder and give me the opportunity to chew food instead of drinking stuff, which I always find more psychologically satisfying.

480 dollars is two car payments or one third of a mortgage payment or food for a couple of months. Vegetables are a ton cheaper if you're just after bulk and filling fiber.

Suzanne 3FC
04-26-2011, 12:49 AM
Hi,
I watched several video diaries on You tube from real people who are currently using this powder from Roca Labs.

I liked the fact that real people were posting videos of their experience with this stuff. I didn't want to go by the advertisements by Roca lab because you can never tell what is real or not. Anyway, check out the videos and see.

Just a thought ... How do you know they are real videos and not paid advertisements? Paid testimonials are very common now and they look real. Bloggers are paid to promote products. For example, people are hired to model for diet pill success stories and they first photograph the "after" shot while they are still thin, and are paid to gain weight and they post for the "before" shot.

There are websites where you can register to be hired to promote products online. You are given the product for free, and paid for the testimonial. I'm not saying that Roca Labs has done this, and I'm not accusing any person who has posted on youtube of doing this. I'm just pointing out that unfortunately youtube testimonials are just as suspect as testimonials from manufacturer advertisements.

Also please note the quote in my post above. If someone tries this product and it doesn't work for them they are not allowed to post youtube videos saying it doesn't work. They are not allowed to post on forums or blogs that it doesn't work. You will never see a negative comment about this product because they will sue you and they say so in their terms of sale.

mandalinn82
04-26-2011, 01:24 AM
Personally, I'd rule out ANY company that put in the terms of sale that I couldn't leave a negative review. Wow. That's some serious Orwellian crazy.

That, plus the fact that the product is basically just a REALLY expensive fiber powder that you can obtain much more cheaply elsewhere, makes this company and product something that I'd avoid like the plague.

midwife
04-26-2011, 10:41 AM
That's shocking that they require a gag clause. I wonder what they're so afraid of? Hmmm......

kaplods
04-27-2011, 10:23 PM
I would RUN from this product, because it has SCAM written all over it. I mean really - an exoribitant price, combined with the weird forbidding on complaints (which I don't think is even a legally binding or enforceable contract. There are some rights you can't sign away).

Ultimately, how can you trust any positive review, when you know the company forbids negative review. The positive reviews lose absolutely all meaning, when the company has threatened retaliation for negative reviews?

If I told you "My product is the best, because I beat up anyone who says it's not," could you really trust anyone who says my product is good.

You also have to understand the science. For people who overeat because of stomach hunger, rather than brain/craving hunger, fiber suppresses appetite by way of filling the stomach.

What you pay for the fiber has no effect whatsoever on the effectiveness of the fiber. We tend to assume (even when we don't even consciously realize it) that the most expensive product is the most successful.

Perceived "value" based on price is very common with weight loss products. People assume that the more they pay, the more effective without realizing this is entirely untrue. Overpriced garbage is not a rare commodity. And literally, it's often easier to convince people to buy expensive garbage, than
cheap garbage.

Even cheap awesome stuff is often assumed to be "trash" because it's cheap.
An outrageous price on garbage, will convince many people that it's not garbage, just because of the price.

Want to test the theory? Next time you have a garage sale, randomly pick an item and price it 100 times the price of similar items you are selling.

If anyone asks why the one item is priced so high, say "it's a collector's item," (which is the true-but-meaningless claim for much of overpriced junk advertised in magazine and tv ads).

No one may actually BUY the $300 teacup or teddybear, but watch how
people react to it. See how much attention it gets (and in advertising, attention is the first step in getting your $).


Expensive draws attention, and it conveys an image of quality, but it's only an image (it's a mirage).

And that's what this product is doing, implying that the product MUST work for them to be able to charge so much money for it.

You also have to judge the company by it's actions. If they're willing to forbid you to complain (that's pretty low) what makes you think they'll stand by their product.

Most people don't understand that "money-back guarantees" are notoriously difficult to enforce. Every day, companies refuse to abide by their promises.

To take it to court and win, will inevitably costs you more than you paid for the product. No one wants to spend $10,000 to force a company to stand by their money-back guarantee on a $20 product.

Just taking off one day of work to appear in small-claims court will cost you more than the product is worth (especially since lost wages often aren't recoverable).

Just the cost of repeated phone calls can easily exceed the cost of the product.

Too many people see a money-back guarantee as a sign of reputability, and it isn't. It's a false-assurance, because the consequences for lying just aren't there. At worst, the company will be forced to give your money back (rarely are you given any additional damages unless you can prove the company intended to defraud you - that their product doesn't work at all -and they know it, and that they intentionally were trying to screw you with a false money-back guarantee. If they can find and bring to court one customer who got their money back and one customer who claims the product worked for them - that can destoy that argument).


I know I've gone on a tangent on the subject, but it's so important to learn to spot the scams. If we were all better at spotting and avoiding the scams, the product makers would be forced to be more honest. Lying only works when people choose to trust you.

mustang girl
05-17-2011, 11:14 PM
It is way out of line to not be able to say whether something works or not. If the gag clause applies to people who have purchased the product, then maybe a friend could comment on how it worked for someone they know. Maybe if you know someone who tried it, and it was a waste of money you could let us know. I don't see how they can sue an observer for slander, they didn't enter into any agreement.

Big Blue
06-09-2011, 12:07 PM
The product has been useless for the people that I know that have tried it. Part of the fees paid are for support that is advertised as 24/7, but is only an email response a day later with useless wording that does not address consumer concerns or questions. The people responding to customer support questions do not seem to care or have knowledge of product, they simply tell customers to follow the instructions. The 24/7 customer support is supposed to be part of the four hundred eighty dollar fee but is not really offered at all. The product itself does not work at all for the people that I know that have tried it and the 24/7 customer support just tells them to read the instructions when they send an email inquiry . . . . email is the only option for customer care and expect to wait about one full day for a meaningless response.

The company does have many complaints that appear to have been suppressed, and some threats do show upon a search. Stay clear of these type of businesses.

Consume high fiber and drink water, you will be far better off . . . . not to mention have several hundred dollars in your pocket. Good luck

bargoo
06-09-2011, 12:38 PM
I am afraid the only place you will lose is in your wallet. This has scam written all over it.

IsabellaOlivia
06-12-2011, 09:00 AM
Focus on eating healthy and working out. Stop believing in this crap magical pills.

irishchik
08-23-2011, 09:33 AM
I'm trying to get why paying 480 bucks for concentrated fiber is preferable to paying fifty or sixty bucks and getting a big wheelbarrow full of high-fiber vegetables and fruit. The fruit and veggies are a cheaper, better-tasting form of getting bulk with few calories, aren't they? Or are these physical fillers different from physically filling low-carb/low-cal vegetables?

I admit that sometimes I throw mixed greens on my plate solely as filler and eat them strictly for that reason instead of because they're just so yum-yum-GOOD, but they still taste better than a powder and give me the opportunity to chew food instead of drinking stuff, which I always find more psychologically satisfying.

480 dollars is two car payments or one third of a mortgage payment or food for a couple of months. Vegetables are a ton cheaper if you're just after bulk and filling fiber.

Unless you are like me and eating fruits and vegis that are mostly water you are hungry again in an hour. I love apples and salads but I can't count on them for a meal. A small snack maybe to tide me over, but that fullness does not last. Apples, celery, cucumbers, lettuce, things like that. I have to bulk my salads up with tomatoes and some sort of protein.

Some people just dont like the taste or texture of some fruits or vegetables.

Some people just cant exercise like others.

We should not judge who chooses to do what. Instead we should support them for trying to change and lose the weight.

Personally, I can't exercise like many (gym, running) because of a spinal condition. I can walk, but it is slow pace. The gym hurts too much. So I stick to walking at my own pace, low impact aerobic and riding my bike.
There are quite a few users on YouTube that are charting their progress. Some lost a lot, some not so much. There are weeks with huge loss, then the following, a gain. Which is pretty normal with many diets.

Just like any diets they work if you follow the plan. This one helping you feel full can help change eating behaviors by training you to eat less.

For someone considering the real gastric bypass, $30,000 and up. Not all insurance covers 100%. For many this is an option to try.

I know a lot of doctors out there will put their patients on an all liquid diet as a last resort before he will sign off on surgery. I have witnessed quite a few family members go through this.

irishchik
08-23-2011, 09:51 AM
Just a thought ... How do you know they are real videos and not paid advertisements? Paid testimonials are very common now and they look real. Bloggers are paid to promote products. For example, people are hired to model for diet pill success stories and they first photograph the "after" shot while they are still thin, and are paid to gain weight and they post for the "before" shot.

There are websites where you can register to be hired to promote products online. You are given the product for free, and paid for the testimonial. I'm not saying that Roca Labs has done this, and I'm not accusing any person who has posted on youtube of doing this. I'm just pointing out that unfortunately youtube testimonials are just as suspect as testimonials from manufacturer advertisements.

Also please note the quote in my post above. If someone tries this product and it doesn't work for them they are not allowed to post youtube videos saying it doesn't work. They are not allowed to post on forums or blogs that it doesn't work. You will never see a negative comment about this product because they will sue you and they say so in their terms of sale.

People have said "negative" things, they just word it in a way that does not blame the company directly.

You can say "it didnt work for me" (this isnt negative, its just stating a fact) there are actually quite a few of these on the internet) but you can't say "it didnt work for me, its the worst product ever, company sucks" anything derogatory and negative. This is actually pretty common for a lot of companies since there are now more review sites on the internet than ever.

I am a freelance writer and blogger. There are paid bloggers yes, but there are no weight loss companies that pay bloggers. Instead, they give them the product to use and review. The blogger gets the product for free, the weight loss company gets the advertisement.

I know people who have done MediFast and Nutrisystem. I have been told directly that Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers do not endorse bloggers. I personally was a NutriSystem Blogger for 6 months. Wonderslim does not accept bloggers at this time. I know a few people have contacted Roca Labs directly and have had no success.

If you want to try it, go for it. If it works for you, great. If it doesnt, sorry.
But remember, what works for some does not always work for others.

Lady Avon
09-11-2011, 02:32 PM
Thank you, Suzanne 3FC, for posting that excerpt from the company's contract. No wonder we can only find positive results posted. I, for one, will not be purchasing this product and if gag clauses are not illegal for product retailers then they should be.

Carisa
10-04-2011, 12:40 PM
becareful witht he full bar it is very high in carbs and calories- not to mention everyones stomach is a different size so what fills up one person 1/2 way may only fill you up quarter of the way thus adding carbs and calories to a meal that is already high enough in all of them when you eat. Once i read the label i passed.

Breezy352
11-28-2011, 05:45 PM
This is interesting. When I was doing research I didn't come across this forum. I wonder if I would have still ordered if I had.

However, I think the formula is helping me. I have lost 16 lbs so far, which is good. I had issues with controlling my eating habits, like always eating fast food. Now (even though it is still kind of hard) I just drive right by it.

pumbaa1107
01-24-2012, 02:16 PM
Thanks to all who posted regarding this mini gastric bypass diet. I have already ready about 2 people who were being sued by the company for posting negative comments. It did look too good to be true and the price would be very high for someone on my salary. The advice to eat less and move more sounds like the best.

WebWoman
04-26-2012, 01:55 PM
If you want to try a similar tack, just buy some glucomannan fiber tablets and take 1 with a big glass of water half an hour before a meal. (3x a day) They are VERY filling as they absorb up to 500 times their weight is liquid.
Made from Konjac root, glucomannan contributes to weight loss by delaying the absorption of glucose from the intestines. Small limited studies have shown glucomannan to be effective in decreasing body weight.

Not expensive at all - I get mine on the internet.

Sally Pineapple
04-27-2012, 10:25 PM
I use to heat up a cup of water and put Slim Fast in it and then added lots of Phyillum Husk to it and it worked pretty much the same way. It had the consistency of Cream of Wheat so I ate it with a spoon and was so full and not hungry the rest of the day.

Yodasmom
04-26-2013, 02:44 PM
Good Morning! This is my first post to this forum, but I felt I need to share my experience with Roca Labs.
Some back ground on me. I have been actively working to lose weight for over 4 months now, with only a two pound loss. I eat 5 to 6 small meals a day, I have always drunk 90 to 100+ oz. of water daily, so that requirement was easy. I haven't has a soda since 12/2010. I exercise 3 to 4 times a week.
I read all the stuff and watched the videos about roca and thought that maybe my ticket. I wanted to avoid the stimulants advertised else where. I took their survey and agreed I thought fat was ugly and I wanted to be thin and successful. I was really excited to start this, they posted results are immediate. The taste wasn't great but doable. After two weeks with only a one pound loss, which was on track to what I was doing before, I posted a request for help on their Facebook page. In my request I told them my background as I stated before to you. I said I really believed this product could work to control over eating, and could they give me some tips on how to tweak this product to work for someone who doesn't overeat. I was told this product would only, only, only (yes they used three onlys) would work if I was committed to losing weight and to contact their help desk by email. I thanked them then made a suggestion that they respond in the future with a more supportive statement, that questioning my commitment level was slightly offense,when I asked for help in a positive manor.
The response I got back was a 5 paragraph essay about how they will not "pet me" as I obviously need. They feel shame and a militaryesch motivation style where fat is ugly and I need to be told I'm fat to my face and all the people in my life who didn't tell me to my face I'm fat must not care about me. Also that if I don't view fat and myself as ugly I should give up hope.
They do not reward failure they reward success by giving a portion of the purchase price back to those who tell others about their success. Everyone please reread that last statement again.
My only response was: "I don't want my money back, I still believe this product can work. I just wanted help in a pleasant manor. I understand now. Thank you."
They went back and forth with several people after that in replys as you can imagine. They eventually removed the post from their page. But several people took screen shots and have continued to let people know of their abusive response to me.
I have never said their product does not work. I believe it might. But don't ask for help.

ManhattanJewess
05-20-2013, 12:45 PM
Oprah Winfrey once said that if there was a company that sold a product that really worked (she wasn't including surgery) she would buy the company outright. When she does that I'll order what they're selling.:)

MAK247
05-27-2013, 10:14 PM
My coworker bought this product but couldn't choke down the liquid without gagging. She offered to sell it to me on the cheap to regain some of the money she'd lost on it. I will say it did work as far as leaving me feeling full. I could eat a cup of yogurt then work an 8+ hour day without thinking of food, though I did drink water constantly.

That being said, I would not personally pay anywhere near what they are asking for it...Most of it is still sitting up in my cabinet a year later, unused. After the novelty wore off I got sick of chugging lumpy water every morning and gave up on it.

LuvMyMr
06-21-2013, 04:57 PM
Oprah Winfrey once said that if there was a company that sold a product that really worked (she wasn't including surgery) she would buy the company outright. When she does that I'll order what they're selling.:)

I say this all of the time!!! When Oprah finally endorsed a weight loss product, I'm stocking up! :carrot:

LuvMyMr
06-21-2013, 04:58 PM
If you want to try a similar tack, just buy some glucomannan fiber tablets and take 1 with a big glass of water half an hour before a meal. (3x a day) They are VERY filling as they absorb up to 500 times their weight is liquid.
Made from Konjac root, glucomannan contributes to weight loss by delaying the absorption of glucose from the intestines. Small limited studies have shown glucomannan to be effective in decreasing body weight.

Not expensive at all - I get mine on the internet.

Yes I have tried this and found this to be true as well.

melissacarter2013
07-01-2013, 08:26 AM
I would never use these kind of products, i'd change habits first before resulting to these

ShootingStar
07-01-2013, 04:44 PM
And people think MY eating plan is weird.

iamkaren
07-25-2013, 09:36 AM
Another similar concept that I've used is 'SlimStyles' PGX Granules. It's basically a fiber supplement that you mix with water and it makes you fill full. I use it sometimes before meals or between meals when I'm starving and it definitely helps. You can buy just a small container and it's reasonably priced. The bottle says PGX is a proprietary blend that's made from Konjac-mannan root, sodium alginate and xanthan gum. I believe konjac-mannon may be another name for glucomannan (made from the same root).

LovelyLeah
07-26-2013, 09:07 PM
For that price I would buy a proper, custom waist-training corset. When tight laced you shrink your stomach so you can't eat as much and some have said that it works similar to the bypass but is non-invasive. It's a personal choice but don't immediately turn down the idea based on myths we see in movies (I'm thinking Pirates of the Caribbean where Keira's character couldn't breathe). If it's painful you're doing it wrong. And no, you won't atrophy your muscles or destroy your organs.

I'm saving up for my first corset and I'm super excited. Can you tell?!

bnates
11-07-2013, 06:01 PM
I have really enjoyed this site and this thread so far. I am new to the site...found the information great and couldn't help but want o register :). I've been trying to lose weight for quite sometime. I have had success numerous times, but alas, the weight returned :(. I have been researching Roca Labs formula for a few days now. I tend to get obsessed with obtaining ALL the information I can about something when I find myself interested :D. Anyhow... my curiosity leads me to question the product. I understand about not wanting to be slandered... but WOW to the information in the contract. A friend of mine is currently dealing with issues because of a former customer not agreeing with his product and spreading negative information all over the internet...so I know it can get out of hand. The thing is... not everything works for everyone.... so, maybe there is a success rate... and maybe some customers also have not seen results as promised and are bitter or have moved onto another method for weight loss.

According to the site, and to the reviews I have read... and from this thread itself... the product works by making you full...this way, you mince instead of gorge...and thus, you lose weight. However, I have also been reading that the formula affects your blood sugar, etc. in a natural and positive way by helping balance it. As many of you know...an erratic blood sugar can cause weight gain and many other things.

So... I am curious of your thoughts on this... I have tried many methods to lose weight. I am interested in learning as much as I can. I know negative feedback/ slander from customers of Roca Labs is against their contract... so maybe message me information if you have such a review??? I am not sure if that is allowed or not, since I just joined the site. But, it sure would be useful to chat with someone who has gone through the full supply of formula and can give a great review.

Everything about the way the product is advertised says SCAM; as many of you have already pointed out. I am just seriously tired of failing to accomplish what I want so badly. And, with the cost of the formula...I cannot afford to save and get this and then fail miserably. :( Thoughts??? Insight? Thanks for any perspective! :D :dizzy:

Suzanne 3FC
11-07-2013, 07:00 PM
Hi bnates, welcome to 3FC :)

I have never heard of success story from this product that wasn't a hidden advertisement intended to earn a commission.

I agree, it's much too expensive to invest in if it isn't going to work. Honestly, it it really worked, people would be bouncing off the walls to spread the word, without anything to gain in return. Our doctors would recommend it, it would be on CNN, etc.

My personal advice is to avoid this and all products like it. At the end of the day, successful weight loss is achieved through what we eat and what we expend, and not from weight loss products.

If you get a chance, please browse some of our diet forums to see what works for others. Also check out our Goal forum, which holds success stories. You'll notice that none of them include diet products, just food plans and exercise.

Good luck :)

bnates
11-11-2013, 04:29 PM
Hi bnates, welcome to 3FC :)

I have never heard of success story from this product that wasn't a hidden advertisement intended to earn a commission.

I agree, it's much too expensive to invest in if it isn't going to work. Honestly, it it really worked, people would be bouncing off the walls to spread the word, without anything to gain in return. Our doctors would recommend it, it would be on CNN, etc.

My personal advice is to avoid this and all products like it. At the end of the day, successful weight loss is achieved through what we eat and what we expend, and not from weight loss products.

If you get a chance, please browse some of our diet forums to see what works for others. Also check out our Goal forum, which holds success stories. You'll notice that none of them include diet products, just food plans and exercise.

Good luck :)

Thanks so much Suzanne! I think your right. I started pondering saving for it... but, you are absolutely right... if it really worked...I'd be finding way more positive feedback that does not look "advertisement like." I guess it's easy to fall into the web of marketing ploys when you want something so badly that you're willing to give up that much money. For me... and for many others I am sure, it means giving up presents I'd like to get my kids...or other things for my family. I simply cannot afford it.

Over the last five days, I have stopped eating after six pm and do not eat before 8 am. I have lost a pound so far just doing that... and my clothes are already fitting better because I am way less bloated all of the time.

Thanks for the advice... I will check out the rest of the forums as soon as I can. I have browsed some of them... just have to keep looking as I find the time. :D I appreciate the sincerity :).

:D