So I just came back from my physical (haven't had one in 4 years (maybe more) and I almost cancelled 'cuz I hate going fat! So, scale sucks (weighed this morning...gain of 1/2 lb) Blah! 1 week with my bodymedia and keeping deficit about 1000 per day and I gain. Last month...bigger deficit, lose 4 lbs in 5 weeks. Blah. People say eat more. Some say eat less. I work out like a mad woman (nrol4w 3 days and c25k 3 days) plus am actived at home and work. I've been working out for 14 years and my diet has been okay for many of those...now for the past 2 monts super clean and my blood pressure is high???????????:mad::?: WTF???? I just can't do it! I don't know what else I can do. I've done WW for months ...no to little loss...I've done SB...no to little loss...the only thing that ever worked was Fat flush and I don't want to ever do that again!!!!!!!!! I am so sick of conflicting reports on what to do and not do and what to eat and not eat and "you need more cardio" no "you need more weights"...........I've done it all and why??? Why can't I just lose????!!!!!!!!!!! I don't even want to get my labs done because I' m afraid!!!! In my mind, I am an active , getting healthy fit person but my dr must just see another fat person making excuses!!!!!!! You know what she said when I told her my struggles and showed her my bodymedia? Oh. some poeple just have low metabolic blah blah blah blah.....that's all I got. She did ask me if I'd ever seen a dietician and of course I have and the woman offered me a job!!! So blah!!!!!!!! I'm ranting...I'm sorry if I'm biU**&Y!! I can usually do anything I set my mind to and yet I am failing! And please...don't anyone say ...well you lost 4 lbs in 8 weeks...that's something...please don't because if it were you...it wouldn't be enough either. Oh, and I don't usually have a pity party but I'm having one now....:(
04-14-2011, 04:35 PM
I am a tad bit afraid to respond to your post because it seems as though you are doing everything you should be doing, and I am sure there is oodles more that you have tried but did not mention here..
What about a trainer? Have you ever had one? I didnt start losing anything until I got a trainer that cared about ME and my goals.
The only other thing I can think of that made the difference for me personally was changing up my eating habbits. Some mornings I eat at 6:45am when I get home from the gym. Other mornings I wait until about 9am. Same with lunch- sometimes 11, sometimes 12, sometimes 2. Dinner is somewhere between 7-9. Thats me personally. It has worked for me.
In addition to changing up my eating scheudle, my workouts are different everyday. Never the same thing.
But seriously, I wish I could put my trainer in a box and mail her to you for a week(but then I would want her back). Have you considered getting a trainer that is focused on YOU and YOUR body.. not the main stream stuff? If not, its something to consider, just make sure they are certified and well educated..
I wish the best of luck to you, I know just how you feel!:hug:
04-14-2011, 04:38 PM
Wow! I am new to weightloss...as in I've been overweight since 2000, and this is my first "real" attempt to change. As such, I'm just learning myself but wanted to take a minute to give you some support. It's sounds like you're doing everything right but if there's a tweak to be found...you came to the right place! SOMEONE here will have an answer...something you haven't thought or something you haven't tried. Please stay strong and don't give up on yourself! I KNOW this will work itself out!
04-14-2011, 05:07 PM
so, i know you're working out hard and stuff, but is there any possibility at all that you might have taken off some fat, but gained muscle? if you've been taking measurements or measuring body fat, that should be pretty easy to figure out.
also, maybe post your daily menus in our thread so you can have a better idea of where you might be going wrong.
04-14-2011, 05:25 PM
I feel your pain and I'm currently going through it.
First I did south beach, lost 30 lbs with it, then I didn't lose anything the last four months of the year.
THEN I changed to Medifast and lost 8 lbs the first month! Then 6 in February, then basically nothing since then...
I am convinced my body has figured me out and that now I have to change things up yet AGAIN. With MF you only eat 800-1000 calories a day (nutrition is fine because it's all packaged food with the proper amount of food) and you don't need to work out.
I'm thinking of going back to South Beach diet again to shake things up once more and then once that stops working AGAIN going back to MF. My body seems awesome at maintaining just not losing!
Oh and btw I find for my personal body if I go over 1000 calorie deficit I stop losing :(
04-14-2011, 05:34 PM
I do post, Zeff...I use loseit and I post my menu on the daily threads. I'm keeping my proteins to at least 130 grams and my fats fall somewhere between 20 and 30% of totals. Carbs I haven't been concerned about because they come from fruit (which I haven't done everyday) and veggies and beans. I've had only 1 sweet potato (split in half and had before 2 heavy weight lifting days) and 2 bananas (after 2 heavy days). I'm OCD about measuring and logging. Oh, and who knows...I feel like I look heavier then when I started. No change in clothing that I can see. Pants still feel the same. Added....Oh...and how the **** can I have high blood pressure??///???????????
04-14-2011, 06:24 PM
04-14-2011, 06:56 PM
I saw this post right before I rushed out of work and had to come back and answer you. I am frustrated for you!! I do have a couple of suggestions:
1. I think you should try to cut your calories down to 1200 per day. Someone here suggested doing Atkins induction for two weeks and I think it might be a good idea. You obviously need to shake something up with your body. Something isn't working.
2. You need to weigh more often. I suggest you weigh a minimum of once a week and perhaps for two weeks chart your weight day by day. You could be having daily fluctuations up and down and it would be useful to know.
3. What exactly is your blood pressure reading? When you say "high" are you talking clinically high or just higher than before? There is something called "white coat high blood pressure" which is basically high blood pressure due to anxiety about visiting the doctor. Could this be it?
I'm so sorry....I feel your frustration.
04-14-2011, 07:10 PM
Thanks. It was 160/95 and then she rechecked after and it was 140 over 100 (and something). I thought white coat blood pressure but she said it was too high to be that. How can someone who has worked out for so long and had a clean diet for at least 3 months (really longer since I was on WW and other things) not have exercise control the blood pressure. She did say clinically high. And she wants me to monitor often of the next few months as my weight may come down (though I'm doubtful). I have been weighing daily again and i'm up today. Yesterday was the same and today I'm up. So one week with my body media and I gain. UGH! You know what's really pissing me off (excuse me)? My sisters are big (bigger by far then me) and do nothing...I mean nothing. I think they tried to lose weight once in all these years and they stay...big.....I never give up (save for slips here and there). Years of searching and struggling and studying and working out and reading everything I could read about weight loss. I've been on Body for life, ww 100 times, south beach, atkins, calorie counting, Jay Robb's diet, ...I'm sure there are many more I've forgotten. I have read countless bodybuilding magazines 'cuz surely they have the answers....I lift heavy weights (which I LOVE). And all this time...I'm the SAME WEIGHT!!!!! Down a few...up a few...down a few....blah blah blah...I'm sure I'm so whiney to you all right now and I'm sorry!!! I'm just blah. I was so focused on other things besides the weight that I though surely it will just come off eventually but so much time has gone by ........the absolute only time I ever lost significant weight was on FAT FLUSH and I don't want to do it again....here...look at my picturetrail.....user name kmac1196.....there are befores and afters and nows yuck! Was it the lower calories or the actual foods that she touts as the reason????? Thank you all for your support. I'm so embarrassed, too. Here I am doing my thing. Believing that this time will be different...this time I'm doing it....and my sisters chuckle because it's just another thing Kristen is doing! Well...at least I don't give up and I keep on going believing that I'll get there and then BAM....weight gain...High blood pressure and what's next??? Labs will come back high cholesterol and diabetes, too???? This is what I get for all the effort I've put in all these years??????????!!!!!!
04-14-2011, 07:10 PM
In solidarity: I just weighed myself (even though I only really like to weigh in the morning and tomorrow is my weigh in day) and apparently I have gained 5.6 lbs. in the last two weeks. I have been on plan for the most part but recently started exercising, but who on earth knows why the scale does this. I am also shaking my fist at the universe, but we will get through this!!
04-14-2011, 07:19 PM
I am sorry! :hug: The last time you posted I went to the daily and looked at your menus and they did look fine. Now I just looked at your menu for yesterday,
B ff yogurt, cottage cheese
L OUT...planned...olive garden, salad, 2 breadsticks, 1/2 bowl Pasta Fagioli, 1/2 bowl chicken gnocci
S nuts, peel cheese
D steak veggies
I'd just say that I don't ever weigh after a meal out, especially an off plan one. When I've been eating OP, the off plan stuff sends my weight soaring. I think that Olive Garden meal would raise my weight by at least 5 pounds; white flour, gnocci, pasta and (I am certain) lots of sodium in everything.
Don't get me wrong, I eat those off plan meals I have just learned not to expect a decent weigh in afterwards...
I'm with you, I don't understand the "science" of WL...defecits...eat more...eat less, etc.
For years my BP was fine and then at some point it started being an issue. I went to the DR. and had a high reading. I bought a good home BP machine (under $50 at Costco) and started taking my BP twice a day so I could learn about my daily numbers. Reluctantly, I went on meds because it seemed that for me, it was necessary to get those numbers down.
What did I find out?
~SBD did help, but it took awhile for my daily readings to come down reliably.
~Being agitated, such as you even described in the daily chat, did raise my BP every time.
One thing I notice about me, is that once I get stressed I start retaining water like crazy. From yesterday to today my scale #'s went up 5# with OP eating...tweaked back and a cold. For me, I've chosen not even personally register the # on the scale at the Dr office because I always weigh at home without clothes. It never has had any similarity to my scale at home.
It sounds like your DR isn't very supportive. I understand that...it's been very hard for me to find a supportive Dr. here and I get very frustrated. Perhaps, if it's been so long since you've been it would be a good time to look for someone who could be more helpful. We all sympathize but we aren't Drs.
I really tried not to give you more "advice" and just tell you my experience because it sounds like the barrage of advice you've gotten has left you very confused and frustrated.
Is there anything about your last two months that is better? Again, I'm sorry you have had such a crappy day.:hug:
04-14-2011, 07:20 PM
Thank you. Altough I wish you weren't struggling, too. Can I put a link?
That's my page.
04-14-2011, 07:25 PM
Thanks, Debbie. I actually ate out on Tuesday. So I had plenty of time to flush...yesterday I was at the same weight as the beginning of the week so I assumed that was gone. And although I go out once per week, I ALWAYS fit it into my calorie budget. When I ordered soup, I ordered half of a bowl. Normal people do that and shouldn't negate my efforts the other 6 days of clean eating. I appreciate your support. I am NOT willing to say that I cannot control my blood pressure. I'm just not. If you knew me, you would know that I hate anything that isn't in my control...not many things are. I have always gone after and gotten what I wanted.....knowledge is power, you know? Apparently not this time...too much knowledge has certainly left me worse off!
04-14-2011, 07:26 PM
I feel you frustration I have been the same weight this week I have stuck to my diet! I am trying not to get discouraged but it is hard. We got to hang in there!
04-14-2011, 07:31 PM
I'm sorry you've gotten such sucky news. :hug:
About your blood pressure: people often make the mistake of assuming that because eating a healthier diet and losing weight can lower blood pressure, blood pressure is firmly within our own control. Unfortunately, it isn't. We can reduce our risk factors, but we cannot remove them.
My mom had high blood pressure for 19 years before having her first heart attack at age 46. Her doctor (whom I consider in retrospect a murderous ignoramus) told her, "Oh, you're just a small-boned woman with a fast metabolism. You're like a bird, so don't worry about your 150/110 blood pressure." Her weight varied between 105 and 115 pounds throughout those 19 years. She did smoke--almost everyone did back then, it seems--but she was otherwise an active, fit person who had never spent a day of her life being overweight.
So unfortunately, some people are just predisposed to high BP. You're lucky. Your doctor's actually looking at it and taking it into consideration instead of telling you "Oh, you're like a bird" and letting it go untreated for almost two decades. You're still doing all the right things for your health, even if your body fails to cooperate with lower blood pressure.
04-14-2011, 07:36 PM
I just looked at your picture trail. First, can I say - you are so beautiful. I hope you know that. Second, let's explore why you lost weight on fat flush. On the pix there, were you at your lowest weight after doing FF? I have the book, but personally am not really up on what the plan is LONG TERM. Did you follow that stringent plan for more than two weeks? What worked for you about FF? Sometimes when you find a plan that works you can refer back to it.
I also want to say something else. I read Suzanne Somer's book on her diet plan (which I don't really recommend, but whatever). Anyway, she says for the first two months she didn't lose any weight on her own plan, then it started coming off. Sometimes your body does have to adjust to a new way of eating. If you were doing FF for a long time, your body may have to readjust to healthy eating. Just a thought. Don't look at your relatives. You are not them.
Even if you stay at 232 for the rest of your life, you can be healthy at that weight. I'm frustrated for and with you.
04-14-2011, 07:51 PM
Thank you. It's nice of you to say. I did it from Feb 7 2005 until 2008ish...but...I lost weight so fast...11 lbs the first week. The picture with me and my dad was only 6 months later (in August) and I was 154lbs down from 223.5 ...that's 69.5 lbs and a cruise thrown in there. But man it was hard to live normal life like that. It's very strict. I ate no dairy, wheat, gluten, yeast, flour, sugar, salt, potato, pasta, etc...I had supplements...(flax seed oil and flax seeds, whey and GLA and CLA and Vitamins and unsweetened cranberry juice). Nothin processed. 2 fruits max per day and 8 oz meat per day (no pork). 2 eggs per day. It was hard to stay on it and the second I stopped...I blew up . And I didn't even binge to get back here...just blew up. I wanted to do it this time with regular food. Healthy but regular. I'm fine with no breads...really. I could care care about pasta. I've been doing south beach since February. It's April. And I did have 3 clean weeks of phase 1 before my first meal out. I only just started that a few weeks ago. I know you guys have all been there so thanks.
04-14-2011, 08:17 PM
I don't think anyone can stay on a diet like that long term. As you can see. I'm sure you have answered this question, but what is your dairy intake on a normal day? That is the one thing I can think is allowed on SB that is not on FF, at least during Phase 1. Also remember with this diet, and so many others, you lose weight from the top down. Your pants might fit the same, but you might have lost in other places.
04-14-2011, 08:42 PM
I have yogurt (nonfat plain) and cottage cheese (fat free) everyday. Sometimes milk too. I hear what your saying about size changing but I can't possibly stay 228lbs and be losing size. I have a lot of muscle (lifting for 14 years) under the fat. Oh, I'm a losing cause tonight. I thank you for being so understanding of my rants! I'm usually never like this. My husband doesn't know what to do because I am NEVER down. If there is a problem, I don't go into victim mode I go into fix it mode immediately. And now I'm in victim mode. I know it's bad. I feel like I deserve to stay here a while. I am out of helpful suggestions for myself.
04-14-2011, 08:54 PM
Not telling you what to do...if it were me, I'd stay the course if I felt better physically. I'd monitor my BP daily and giveSBD some time. I'd keep up the workout schedule I wanted and would definitely watch measurement. I personally made a 6 mo committment to myself on SBD before I'd do anything else. I'm glad I did that because I had lots of ups and downs, which I call personal battles, during that time. One day I felt slender the next day I felt fatter than when I started. I wasn't very scientific about measurements, only keeping track of my waist. It's just a piece of string, but it worked for me.
This is a great support group. Everyone genuinely cares....I never had that before coming here.
04-14-2011, 09:10 PM
I have been so impressed with your resilience and commitment. Honestly I don't think this diet or way of eating could have negative consequences for anyone. I hope you will stay!!! I and so many others are struggling too, but we're all in it together.
04-14-2011, 10:44 PM
Just for the sake of ruling out something correctable... have you had your thyroid checked?
That fat flush sounds incredibly strict. And doing it for 3 years also may have negatively impacted your metabolism. I might work at eating 6 small meals a day (forgetting bfast, lunch, and dinner) just to try to get things going, though it would likely take time.
Just some thoughts, since everything else sounds like its in place.
04-14-2011, 11:28 PM
just throwing it out there ever checked your thyroid? seems like you've tried just about everything. if you are true to what you say maybe you should do some labs. there could be other underlying problems.
04-15-2011, 12:41 AM
I concur about the thyroid. I was always the healthy eater in the family, yet kept gaining. Lo and behold I have hypothyroid, now Hashimoto's. I'm trying to find the right dose to regulate my levels and then we'll see, but it makes weight loss THAT much harder when its slow. I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!!!!
04-15-2011, 01:51 AM
I don't have any additional suggestions. You appear much more knowledgeable than I and it sounds like you are doing so much right. All I really want to say is that I understand how you feel and sincerely hope you can figure it out and that you will be staying with us. We all have walked in similar shoes and know what you are going through.
04-15-2011, 06:21 AM
((((((HUGS))))))) to all of you. Thank you! I'm not going anywhere! I'm here for the duration regardless. Labs are ordered. I am hoping it is not thyroid because I do not want synthetic anything in me. I refuse to accept my blood pressure and I have no idea what I'm doing about weight but I'm going to keep trying. I have no other options. Re FF....I've been off it for some time so I don't think it has screwed up my system. You have no idea what losing that weight felt like....it was truly a gift. But this cannot be the only way and I am adamant that I find another. The 2 things I know about these last 6 weeks or so is that I lost 4.5 lbs in a month when my calories were lower and when I bumped them, then I had a gain. So according to the calorie counters, I should lower them...contrary to people saying I should rais them. I have averages of all weeks (6 weeks) and that is the only conclusion I can come up with. So...this week I lower. Still staying with SB principles for sure. I know bread and I don't get along. I'll keep you posted with my struggles :( Again, thank you so much for your support and advice and kind words. They have gone a long way to help me pick myself up. I'm still not right this morning but I don't usually stay down for long. <3
04-15-2011, 06:36 AM
The ladies have given such wonderful advice!
I gotta say,when I read your thread on the bodyfit media, I was STUNNED to see the caloric recommendations that it had for you. I almost posted, but didn't want to be discouraging. I'm pretty active, and nearly the same height as you (five foot three and A HALF darned it!!!), and there's no way I'd ever lose weight at that calorie level. I'm not sure I trust that, if that's what you're using to determine your calorie level.
I really, really feel that south beach works, and hope you find it does for you too. When people say something about it, I just say it's "eating healthy". Good luck! You're in the right place!!
04-15-2011, 06:48 AM
Have you tried the Wendie plan on WW? My cousin used it when she was at a plateau and it worked. I just heard about it, and I am going to start it. hrrp://www.angelfire.com/crazy4/ahealthylifestyle/WendiePlan.html
04-15-2011, 10:04 AM
I'm going to try the Wendie plan I think. I sort of naturally Wendie b/c on the weekends I eat more than during the week, but I think I'm going to switch it around a bit. Saturday will be the day I'll eat most, less on Sunday, less on Monday, more on Tuesday, etc. Let me think about this for a while.
I also echo what Twynn said. I don't lose if I eat more than around 1300 calories a day. I don't necessarily believe that the more you weigh, the more calories you need. Bodies just don't seem that straightforward. Kmac, want to join me Wendie-ing?
04-15-2011, 12:35 PM
I agree with MMC, I am very active and don't lose unless I'm eating 1500 cals or less on average.
I think Wendie-ing could be something to consider. It will jolt your metabolism. I also think that getting your thyroid checked would be a wise move. I have low thyroid levels, and have had to continue to have them checked every so often. It hasn't gotten so bad that I have had to take medication....yet. we'll see.
04-15-2011, 12:52 PM
I second the ladies that brought up thyroid - if they haven't already done it, ask your doctor to check your thyroid function. An imbalance really messes with your metabolism and ability to lose - that's what I'm going through right now.
04-15-2011, 01:09 PM
I am going to jump on board and comment as well, I feel your frustration, I have been going through the same thing for about a year now, I am not losing any weight or I will get down 7 lbs and then it will come right back. I am very fit and have lots of muscle underneath my fat- I did a study a couple years back for heavy people and they had to take a muscle sample out of my thigh and the doctor was like your muscle is incredible, no fat on the muscle at all. So I was like great I am a fit fat person, wonderful.....
I had my doctor to a thryoid test this past year to see if that was the problem and no problems there and all labs came back great. I am just having a tough time with water retention as well right now. I have tried drinking tons of water and it still isn't helping.
I think I will look up the Wendie effect and see if that will help me. I think I have been trying so long that my body is used to what I am doing and refuses to give up the weight.
I was overweight in High School, lost 25 lbs after I graduated and pretty much kept it off (worked very hard to keep it off) until I got pregnant. Everytime I got pregnant I blew up and gained between 60 and 80 lbs. I lost the weight when my second was 4 years old finally and kept it off until I got pregnant again 5 years later and blew back up. My youngest is 7 and I still have not managed to figure out how to get it off.
I wrote all of that to let you know that you are not alone and that there are lots of us just like who are trying to figure it out and we are here to support each other.
04-15-2011, 03:35 PM
Thank you all for sharing your comments, opinions, and personal stories. I have read and reread them and take your advice very seriously. No offense has been taken for sure!! I'm trying to learn about my body for the first time and it's so frustrating when things go awry! Re bodymedia...today, I have burned 2423 calories so far today (it's 3:30) even if there is 20% error rating (someone here was kind enough to tell me that the median is 15) that is still 1939 that I burned. I was lead to belive that it is more accurate than that (the older ones had issues but the new ones are super). So, regardless....I have a plan of attack....2 weeks at calorie level 1200-1400 (south beach style) and if I don't see some stuff moving off of me...then I will go onto Fat flush again ....give that a month and then if that doesn't work....I will go to the endo with all my papers and see what's up. OH, and yes, I am having my thyroid checked.
04-15-2011, 04:50 PM
Oh, and I also wanted to make note that other sites....body building and exercise sites, have told me to eat more...Way more...in order to lose. So it's strange to see so many different points of view on the same subject from successful people on both ends. And I know you both are around my same height but no where near my weight. I would burn significantly more calories than you even if we did the exact same thing in a day. My bmr is higher then yours to begin with. Again...I don't know who's right...so many different opinions. What I do know is that I DID lose weight before so either it was the diet itself and all it's properties (flax oil, flax seeds, cranberry juice, lemon water, NO dairy etc....) or it was the calorie level, which, as I was looking at was 1300-1400 in phase 1 and 1500-1600 in phase 2. So...that's my reasoning for trying calorie decrease first.
04-22-2011, 08:57 AM
Okay, so weigh in today...wanted to update you all....Last week had an average calories of 1310. I have my period (sorry TMI). And still down 3 lbs. So, down 9 since March 3...not great but working on increasing the weekly totals now. Those are eaten calories. I don't eat back exercise calories. And the experiment continues.
04-22-2011, 06:00 PM
OK, 9 lbs. in about two months. That's a pound a week. A pound a week equals 50 lbs. in a year. You can do this. You are doing great and I hope you know it.
04-22-2011, 07:11 PM
Thanks so much! I'm getting there!
04-22-2011, 10:03 PM
Good for you for hanging in there during the tough times. An average of a pound a week is better than a lot of us are doing. Congrats and hope your weight continues to drop.
04-23-2011, 07:01 AM
Thanks Tall and thin! I'm not going anywhere. I have to learn about my body and it's going to take some time. Once I do, I expect the weight loss to be a bit more consistent. But, in the mean time...I'm setting goals that aren't weight related...fitness goals...and I feel good making those and keeping my committments! I started this journey with earnest on March 3rd and haven't missed a day that I said I was going to work out! So, that's something. And my body media sure shows me when I need to add more steps or calorie burn to my days!!!!
04-27-2011, 07:30 PM
I second the ladies that brought up thyroid - if they haven't already done it, ask your doctor to check your thyroid function. An imbalance really messes with your metabolism and ability to lose - that's what I'm going through right now.
I agree that this thyroid thing is unreal. I've been able to lose all my adult life,by being active,and eating less. I've always loved veggies,so it was that along w/chicken for a long time..and I stayed within a 3Lb.weight gain for yrs. Now,I can lose a lb. per wk. IF I stay on track,and go to the gym,AND walk the dog..BUT,if I decide to have a turkey sandwich,I'll gain 2lb.s overnight.:?:I havn't given up,totally,but it's harder than ever. I told my Dr. I don't want my life to be ALL ABOUT LOSING WEIGHT! So I'm changing my attitude abit,along with a certain degree of acceptance. Eat right,eat less..and Move,move,move..and let the rest go...Aim for healthy.
p.s.I do feel that comments to oneself that you 'cheat' arn't healthy either..Eating something not SB,is just that...to me saying I cheated sends a negative message.I don't think we need to beat up on ourselves over any kind of food,if it's within reason,and we do know what 'reasonable' is...:hug: keep on, you Know what's healthy,and what's not. (Ok,done w/my 2c's.)
05-06-2011, 04:15 PM
Update...down 13 lbs total since March 3. Slow but steady. Lost 2.4 lbs this week and calories were averaged 1480. Still doing couch to 5k (did w6d2 yesterday) and new rules of lifting for women. Feeling good.