South Beach Diet - Help! Im stuck! and frustrated! Not getting anywhere.

02-03-2011, 01:44 PM
Okay, i am so frustrated. I have been on South Beach 3 times in my life. The first time i was on it..i died..cause i couldnt get past the first week..The second time, i was on it , i was monitored by an endocrinologist and she gave me an anti-diabetic medication called Glumetza to help me balance my blood sugars so i would stop eating so much to try and balance them myself..So it worked.. I went to the gym and worked out every day for like..2.5 hours a day and that included running, swimming, biking and weights..I lived off of protein shakes for the afternoons because i worked a job that was physically demanding and i needed something fast to keep me going at the gym..I followed the diet religiously and aside from protein powder, i lived off of cottage cheese and tomato and eggs for breaky..and beans..and i lost about 20 pounds in less than a month...But then of course, i met a guy, fell in love and he had really really bad eating habits..aka..sugary candy..and i being very emotional and wanting to do what others did, ate what he ate..and gained it all back plus more and abandoned my gym time in the evening to spend time with him..

So back on South Beach..its day 7 of phase 1..The first 4 days when i unknowingly cheated by eating sugar free fat free pudding, i lost 5.6 pounds..but now i have gone up a pound.. I was at 187 and then i went up to 188 and now its 188.7.. But what i dont get is...why am i going up when i should be going down? Since i found out that pudding on phase 1 was a no no..i got rid of it..all of it ..threw all the packages out..then i realized that coolwhip(sigh) was also not allowed..because it wasnt coolwhip free.. so now ive thrown that out..and yes.. i even had to get rid of what i thought was safe sugar free fat free yougurt that was vanilla..cause it wasnt thats gone too..

But why am i gaining? Is it because im not exercising? I admit to being a couch addict. I am a mom to a 6 month old baby girl. I live in a rainforest climate out here in Canada.. it rains every single day..even on the sunny days..we are lucky if we get through a week without rain...let alone 2 days.. I cant get out to the gym during the day because my husband works during the day , doesnt make it home till 5 pm..there is no child minding at the gym. You cant bring your child to the gym with you either. My baby girl is in bed at 7pm every in order to go to the gym, my hunny has to watch her..but of course i havent gotten my 50$ monthly membership yet..Which i need to do desperately, because i too, before becomming pregnant and becomming a couch addict, was once a treadmill potato instead.

Is it because im not exercising? Do you have to exercise? Should i be sticking to just cottage cheese and tomato instead of trying out all these other recipes like the no flour, flaxseed foccacia bread phase 1? and the flaxseed muffin?

I see all these people in phase 1 claiming boredom or dying of overconsumption of cheese and eggs..but cant you lose weight eating flax and other recipes for phase 1???

02-03-2011, 02:29 PM
Hey PHG! First of all, didn't you mention that it was your TOM? We tend to retain water during that time and most of us gain a little bit. Post a sample of your daily menus so we can take a look and see if anything needs tweaked. Are you getting 1/2 cup of beans daily? 4-6 (1/2 cup) servings of Ph1 veggies a day? 8-10 (8 oz) cups of water daily?

02-03-2011, 02:40 PM
I have done SB more than once myself. In my own experience, the weight doesn't come off as fast as that first time. Also, for many, those 2 weeks of PH1 are not a huge loss but important to get rid of the cravings. IMO if you have an initial water loss, you will then either plateau or maybe see what looks like a gain as your body adjusts to actual loss. This may be what is happening to you. Over 5 pounds in one week is a lot!

True confession - I eat SF pudding in PH1, every time but the first time. It does not cause cravings or slow my loss. But that is just me. I am not recommending it; just sharing.

However, I did find that I lost more when I did not eat what I will call "bready substitutes." For me that is stuff like the PH1 muffins. I think it is because I tend to overeat those and they have more calories. I know this is not about counting calories and I don't, but the reality is calories so make a difference. BTW - I hardly ever eat eggs on PH1. Got egg overload. My breakfast for ages now has been beans.

As for exercise, sure, it helps. That whole calorie math again. But I have heard many experts say that weight loss is 80% diet and only 20% exercise.

My bottom-line, be patient. Losing weight takes time. Truly changing habits takes time. And measure... you may see inches lost when you don't see pounds. Hang in there. :hug:

02-03-2011, 03:35 PM
At the risk of sounding unsympathetic (for which I apologize), from what you describe you did not really do South Beach before. Eating cottage cheese, eggs, tomatoes and protein shakes is NOT doing the South Beach Diet as it is laid out in the book.

I don't know if you have the book at home, but I think you should read it fully and gain a better understanding of how to do this diet and the benefits of doing it. You are frustrated with it but from your posts I sense that for some reason there are several aspects of it that still aren't clear to you. If you do the diet (or lifestyle change) as described in the book, you will lose weight. Some weeks you may go up because of TOM or other water retention, but overall you will be on a losing path.

Sorry if this sounds harsh. I wish you luck and hope that you find your path with this or perhaps another diet that you feel will work better for you.

02-03-2011, 03:40 PM
Why not pick a different plan that offers more variety of foods like calorie counting or weight watchers? something you can stick with for the rest of your life.

02-03-2011, 05:07 PM
I really don't want you to be frustrated, PHG. Let me see if I can post a sample Ph1 menu, for me. I'm vegetarian, but it gives you an idea anyway.

B: Spinach and Broccoli crustless quiche cups (2,) 8oz low sodium Hot & Spicy V8, green tea
S: Light Laughing Cow Cheese wedge spread on celery sticks
L: Taco Salad - made with 1/2 cup fake meat crumbles seasoned with cumin or chili powder (could use chicken,) lettuce, tomatoes, red or green bell peppers, jalapenos, green onions, low-fat cheese, 2 T. low-fat sour cream
S: 1/4 cup soy nuts (or 15 almonds, or 20 peanuts, etc.)
D: Mexican Lentil Stew - made with lentils, onions, fire-roasted tomatoes, celery, garlic, and seasonings, salad with 1/4 cup low-fat cottage cheese and 1-2 T. low-fat dressing.
S: Sugar-free fudgesicle

02-03-2011, 06:40 PM
be patient...

02-03-2011, 07:11 PM
I don't even weigh during TOM. I know we all would love the excess weight to all come off overnight, but it's not how it got there.

Mmc brought up a point about the book. Perhaps by going back through it you could decide if it was the type of lifestyle change you are interested in making. I chose SBD because I wanted to get healthier as well as losing weight.

I would second Zeffryn's idea about patience. Daily fluxuations don't accurately represent the downward trend.

Best wishes

02-04-2011, 10:09 AM
All of the suggestions and explanations here are right on target. That being said - I really really understand where you are coming from.

I've been OP for 5 weeks now, and in Phase II I'm (for the most part) doing a better job getting in my veggies and watching portions and calories. I lost about 8 pounds in Phase I, and in the last 3 weeks I've lost none. (In fact, my status of 161 has been at 162 for 2 full weeks now).

Who knows why this is, but I've been making a choice everyday to stay with it because I know that how I'm treating my body is a million times better than what it was before. I also know that if that damn scale doesn't move soon I may have to try something else. Go back to Phase I or switch over to WW for a time, or make a new choice.

I guess my point is that you are in control. This is your choice to make. As much as I whine and complain I try to remember that I can choose to be healthy or I can choose to be unhealthy, but I have to live with the consequences of my decision. Which I hate, but which is also true.

02-04-2011, 11:12 AM
Amy, I used to put my scale in time out all the time because it wasn't behaving properly. It was a running joke over here. :)

02-04-2011, 11:22 AM
LOL, thanks Kara - I may have to give that a try! :lol::lol:

Did it ever work??

02-04-2011, 01:31 PM
Mmc brought up a point about the book. Perhaps by going back through it you could decide if it was the type of lifestyle change you are interested in making. I chose SBD because I wanted to get healthier as well as losing weight.

Thank you for the suggestion, however, i have tried Weight Watchers, Slimfast, The Zone, The Medeterrainian diet, Atkins and calorie counting.

The reason why i am on South Beach is not just to lose weight. Im on it, because i am a type 2 diabetic and i desperately need to balance out my sugars and lose a huge amount of weight, or else im going to run into some even more serious health issues. I chose this plan because it was reccomended by an endocrinologist-a specialist in womens health and blood sugar issues.. She put me on it wth medication as welll..

I know its a lifestyle, problem is..ive never gotten past phase 1 to begin with..problem with not getting past it, is because i have always worried that going to phase 2 will make me go off board altogether because fruit causes huge issues for me..not only does in make my blood sugar go wonky, it also causes severe cravings for me..fruit and bread are my two worst to go on to phase 2 makes me concerned that im going to go backwards because its going to affect my overall health.

02-04-2011, 01:56 PM
PHG - A lot of us do a "Phase 1.5" for the same reason, limiting the amount of fruits and grains we add to our diet. Grains are my craving-starter, and I definitely can't have them with every meal. I usually have whole wheat crackers with my morning snack. Otherwise I don't usually eat a lot of grains or fruits during the day. Occasionally DF will make brown rice and vegetables and I'll have a small serving with dinner, or whole wheat spaghetti or something. (I also get the craving this time of year for a grilled cheese - I make with 2 slices low-calorie whole wheat bread, 2 slices low-fat American cheese, and I Can't Believe It's Not Butter Spray.)

You'll get it! Go back through the book, go through our recipe forums (TONS of awesome ideas there!!!!) and keep posting here! This site is what's kept me going for so long, and these girls have become my friends. They're here to listen, offer guidance, socialize, or give a swift kick in the :censored: (which I have needed a LOT over the last 6.5 years!!!!)

Just don't stress. It all takes time. :D

02-04-2011, 02:11 PM
If you know that fruit makes your blood sugar go crazy and causes cravings, you've answered your own question. Don't have fruit in Phase 2 or any other time until you test out and see if you can find a fruit that does not do that. Same with bread. There are other whole grains out there to eat.

The endo recommended SBD because it really is a very good diet for stabilizing your blood sugar. Having her recommend it does not mean you know exactly how to do it because she told you to do it. You need to get the book and read it and really understand what it is all about. I may be wrong but I don't think you've ever said that you have done that.

You need to get through Phase 1 before you start worrying about Phase 2. You said you've never made it through a clean Phase 1 because you are afraid of Phase 2. I don't know if anyone can help you with that. Again, if you read the book Phase 2 will be much de-mystified and less intimidating.

02-05-2011, 01:10 AM
i have the south beach supercharged book..ive read it twice before..but that was back when i was 19..thats how long its been since ive bothered to try again..But you were right.. i did go back through the book again..not the whole book, but took a look and read through some key chapters especially about phase 1..It helps me remember.. i guess i got to keep telling myself that this is a life thing..not a temporary thing.

02-05-2011, 07:24 AM
Just an health numbers started improving very rapidly on SBD. I'd imagine I was only 10-12 weeks in when I started weaning off BP medication. My blood sugar was always all over the place. I'm not diabetic but think I was coming pretty close. Pre-SBD, I'd have lows inbetween meals where I got so shaky I could barely function...haven't experienced that since those first 3 mos on SBD, either.

02-05-2011, 09:48 AM
I'm not on South Beach anymore, so I hesitated to respond, but your posts in this thread and the one about despairing over sf pudding not being on plan touched a nerve that I had to respond to.

You're catastrophizing small mistakes, and jumping to conclusions. There isn't a WOE on the planet that can guarantee against daily weight fluctuations up and down. Well there's one, but it's deadly, and that's denying yourself all food and water.

You cannot judge any WOE by only 7 days on plan (or only 14, or only 21, or probably even 35).

You also seem to be falling for the perfection fallacy. It's very common (we're almost taught to do it) to look at any weight loss plan as a magic formula that will not work unless every spell and incantation is perfect. One small mistake and "poof" all of your hard work will matter for nothing, and any weight loss you did acheive will disappear in a puff of smoke.

During more than three decades of weight loss attempts, I thought only perfection mattered, and as a result I eventually abandoned every attempt only to regain. Even if I was losing weight, it was as if the weight loss didn't count if I wasn't being perfectly on plan. A food or exercise plan I couldn't stick to perfectly was a plan I would eventually abandon.

I realize now that I never quit a plan because I was failing, but because I felt like I was failing, because only perfection "counted" for anything, and only rapid weight loss counted for anything. If I was losing slowly, it felt as bad as if I had gained. If I had imperfect days, even if I was losing steadily, if felt as bad as if I had gained. It's no wonder I quit, projecting that much despair and loathing and failure onto myself

I have a horrible time staying on any plan. I just do. That used to drive me off weight loss every time. I thought I had to find the plan I could do perfectly.

I've finally discovered there is no such plan. The only plan I can do perfectly is having no plan at all (which of course always results in no weight loss, and more often than not gaining). And yet I returned to it time and time again, because it's the only plan that I didn't obsess over. I felt low-level guilt over it, but not the rage at myself I felt over following a good plan imperfectly.

You could say that I've "failed" off 88 lbs "this time" because I've had very few perfect days in the last six years. Long story, but the condensed version - I lost the first 20 "accidentally" as a result of treatment for sleep apnea (docs said I would, I thought they were nuts). I decided to make only health changes I could stick to regardless of whether it resulted in weight loss. The next two years I managed to keep the 20 off, but lost no more.
Doctor prescribed low-carb, but not "too low." South Beach was a logical choice. Lost some, but then stopped. Even returning to Ph1 didn't help. Realized that even healthy carbs do nutty things to my hunger levels, and that I could stall weight loss even on Atkins induction. I need portion control as well, so I decided on a reduced carb exchange plan based on one I found on the hillbillyhousewife website. I still try to make SB-friendly choices.

I still have trouble being "perfect." I've had far more imperfect days than perfect, and yet I still have lost 88 lbs, most of it in the last two years.

That's crazy slow weight loss, but by giving up guilt and self-hatred, and the perfection or nothing philosophy, I've "failed off" 88 lbs, and I'm still losing. Still by adding healthy habits to my life that I'm willing to work at, with or without weight loss.

I'm not saying you should do as I've done and take six years to lose a third of your desired weight loss. I am saying that you do have to give up on the perfection or nothing perspective. It will get you nowhere. Because if you see failure with every action, you're going to eventually give up.

To lose 88 lbs, I've followed many plans, every one of them imperfectly. You don't need perfection to lose weight, you only need progress, and you need to see and value that progress. If you choose to be constantly discouraged and disheartened (and it is a choice, dependent upon your expectations and judgements of yourself), you will give up. You'll get tired of feeling bad all the time, and you'll give up. Just like I did every time, over the course of 34 years.

If only I'd learned the lessons sooner, but I'm learning them now and that's all that matters.

02-05-2011, 10:10 AM
Wow, Kaplods. Thank you for sharing. Everything you have said struck a cord with me too. I'm slowly realizing that for me, it's more important to learn how to bounce back from "cheating" than to never cheat.

02-05-2011, 10:25 AM
Good advice as usual from Kaplods. Her post should be "required reading" for us all.

I really don't think we can add anything to this thread so am going to close it.

02-05-2011, 10:33 AM
Kaplods, thank you for your very wise and true words, and I can't agree with you more. I refuse to obsess about perfection and letting the scale rule my life. Life happens and constantly denying myself something makes me want it even more. I'm not saying that you should indulge in each and every craving that you have, but it's not the end of the world if you do slip up every once in a while. The important thing is to get right back on the wagon and keep on truckin'.

And, Kaplods, congratulations on your successful weight loss! 88 lbs. in 2 years is fantastic!