WW At Home - A Rant~ Beware frustrated women on board....




ckatgo
01-07-2011, 07:00 AM
I normally to the belly fat cure diet, so why am I ranting here? Well, after a week on the diet (granted it is only a week, however hang on for more details) I have gained...yes, GAINED weight. I solid week of what felt like food torchure, at the gym, no sugar in the coffee, eggs, eggs, eggs I gained weight. Now it has taken me forever to get up the "gumption" to follow any plan, but to GAIN. Anywho, I contacted my support group for the diet and they said WHAT??? what they said was, how was your calorie count??? I was like....you don't count calories but carbs.....they said, if your overall calorie count is high, you will gain...I was astounded....flabbergasted....shocked.

Then I was like, If I have to count, then I am going on wieght watchers...more choices, better food.....so here I am and why I posted all this here.

Thanks for listening. Now I need to find how to do this program at home. I am too upset to fork over cash for anymore "diet plans"

Sorry to ***** in the middle of your day....


joyfulloser
01-07-2011, 07:24 AM
You can also just try "calorie counting"...it's free!:p

Cheer up...it only took me 43 yrs to figure out that the bottom line to ALL diet programs is "calories in vs. calories out". The only variation to that is exercise...which can help create a calorie deficit, firm/build muscles and therefore speed up fat loss and increase metabolism.

There are also some good books that can also help educate you in this area. One (I haven't read), that many around here recommend is Good Calories, Bad Calories which explains alot of food myths away. One in particular, is the myth that if you eat a certain food or food group, the pounds will just magically melt away.

Please don't be too disappointed...at least it only took you a week to change. Much success!:hug:

ckatgo
01-07-2011, 07:39 AM
Thank you so much for your wonderful support!!

You are right, calorie counting is free...I guess I could give it a go. Not that I expect miracles in a week's time, but a half pound maybe? considering I was "food miserable" all week and busting a hump in the gym??? I will check out that book as well. Thank you!!!


bargoo
01-07-2011, 08:51 AM
Fewer calories more exercise....works everytime and has already been said it is FREE !

starfishkitty
01-07-2011, 09:22 AM
Calorie counting had done wonders for me.... I'd suggest purchasing a food scale, some measuring cups and spoons, and a calorie book that covers the majority of your normal foods (I used the one by Calorie King and love it!) :) Calorie King ALSO has a webpage that you can use until you get the money for a book, so that's pretty nice. It can be found here: http://www.calorieking.com/

Also, this link helped me determine how much I needed to maintain and lose (or gain!): http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

The going is not always easy, especially at the beginning.... but once you really discover how to do it, you'll never forget. :) And it DEFINITELY is worth it!

Tejas
01-07-2011, 09:31 AM
Just hang in there. Counting will help. Also, eat simply; keep fat to 30 grams a day or less; add more lean protein; use the on-line tools that are mentioned above. I use fitday.com. I still have troubles and even gain some (as I did over the holidays). But, a week of doing it better will show you results.

It will be all worth it.

Nola Celeste
01-07-2011, 09:31 AM
Count me in as a major fan of calorie-counting. I admire the WW program, but I am just too broke to afford a commercial plan--so CC it is! The money I save on a formal plan, I can spend on nutritious food, luxury items like a new lipstick, and clothing to fit the new, smaller me. :)

I use Fitday (http://www.fitday.com)to record my calorie intake and to look up calorie counts, but there are plenty of other sites out there (Calorie King, Sparkpeople, Daily Plate) that'll do the trick.

The key to calorie counting is accurate measurement. If you don't already have a food scale, invest in one; they're not all that expensive, and it'll be handy whether you ultimately choose WW or CC. In fact, it's a handy device even if you don't use it for weight loss, as it makes baking much more precise. :)

BlueEyedWitch
01-07-2011, 09:43 AM
I agree! I use FitDay as well & I love it!

ckatgo
01-07-2011, 05:59 PM
Thank you so much for your support! I ate carbs today and counted my calories and felt soooo good doing it!

Thanks again! (((hugs))))

tytbody
01-07-2011, 06:43 PM
I say do WW. It's not a DIET. it is showing you how much food to put in your stomach at one time. Not sit and eat the whole plate of Pasta at Olive Garden.

come on over. Join the online group or the WW at home. We can help. We don't count a calorie and I eat what I want. If I want a 6 PP muffin that is on me. If I want the Chicken and veggies and Rice, again. 6PP. No calories for me to worry cause I didn't go over what I should have for my desired weight loss.

It's not that expensive. Get the equipment and the help from proven people that it works and then you are on to life of better eating and more known portion control. Get in the water and the vitamins and no shakes and power drinks etc.

come to WW. It's fine. And yes, there are weeks even my leader said she gained. It happens. It's life it's our bodies but then the next week, heck you could be down 3 pounds ... give it some time and patience and you will come out on top for being a loser.

LolaCrane
01-07-2011, 06:48 PM
Yes - when push comes to shove it's always calories in/calories out. You've just got to know how much to eat of the good stuff vs the bad stuff. When I was younger, I had every imaginable eating disorder - once ate 1000 calories a day in Peanut M&Ms for SIX MONTHS. Nothing else. Of course, over time I ruined my thyroid and am now facing the biggest weight loss goal of my life. 70lbs. Am going to do it though - I want to be a thin old woman.

LolaCrane
01-07-2011, 06:53 PM
I normally to the belly fat cure diet, so why am I ranting here? Well, after a week on the diet (granted it is only a week, however hang on for more details) I have gained...yes, GAINED weight. I solid week of what felt like food torchure, at the gym, no sugar in the coffee, eggs, eggs, eggs I gained weight. Now it has taken me forever to get up the "gumption" to follow any plan, but to GAIN. Anywho, I contacted my support group for the diet and they said WHAT??? what they said was, how was your calorie count??? I was like....you don't count calories but carbs.....they said, if your overall calorie count is high, you will gain...I was astounded....flabbergasted....shocked.

Then I was like, If I have to count, then I am going on wieght watchers...more choices, better food.....so here I am and why I posted all this here.

Thanks for listening. Now I need to find how to do this program at home. I am too upset to fork over cash for anymore "diet plans"

Sorry to ***** in the middle of your day....

Hi there - I commiserate! Last year, a friend came to stay with me for a month and we decided to lose weight together. We ate South Beach-style, and she was obviously eating a lot more fibre than she was accustomed to, and blew up like a balloon. She was BESIDE herself - unable to do up her pant, really confused! It turned out, she'd not had a BM since we started, five days previously. We'd go to the gym for an hour every morning, and take long hikes - stay on the plan, but she was absolutely NOT having the same results that I had. Anyway, my point - if you're eating lots of eggs, and not enough fibre - a hazard of high protein/low carb diets - this could be part of the problem. Try eating scads of delicious chicken soup loaded with kale and collards, cabbage - whatever, as long as it's nice and green. You'll soon get things moving in the right direction! And eat SOME carbs with your eggs - a nice omlette loaded with onions, tomatoes, diced bell peppers!

thinner
01-08-2011, 01:35 PM
is the belly fat diet the one by Prevention which focuses more on healthy oils and some whole grain carbs? or maybe just the oils. you might have gained weight just as water or some other reason, if only one week. but yeah, you will have to count something for the rest of your life unless you have the metabolism of the energizer bunny...ww is a version of counting macros besides the calories. i'm giving it another try to see if this will work for me both by losing weight if i keep to it and if i can keep to it. eventually, i hope to not have to pay for it and just watch the food i eat.

ckatgo
01-10-2011, 06:41 AM
Thanks again for your wise advice. I have been counting calories for a week now and have never been happier. I went out bought a copy of the "calorie king" calorie counter and lost one pound already!

Thank you for your wonderful advice and help!

Scorpio19
01-11-2011, 08:36 PM
I dont know if my problem fits in this post, but sorry if it dont belong here. Since 1/1/11 I have been doing the WW points thing. I have a Subway (on wheat) each day which is 14 points and for dinner I have a iceberg salad with Perdue chicken strips or a can of Progresso soup(4 points). I munch on some rice cakes ( 1 point each) during the day if I have the urge. I drink 3 or 4 32 oz bottles of water a day. I haven't lost an ounce! Can any of you figure out what I am doing wrong? I am so upset, I just wanna cry!

thinner
01-11-2011, 11:34 PM
i dunno. it really hasnt been all that long yet? what is your points allowance and did you exceed them? there seems to be some sodium in the soup and subway bread probably, unless you are doing low sodium soup? sodium will make you retain water and hold the pounds. those rice cakes are just extra carbs and the ww seems to focus almost on low carb, so you might try swapping out for some other snack. i've quickly discovered that if i eat one carb thing, even whole wheat, i'm really burning points allowance for the day, even if i finish the day with under 1500 or so calories. so it forces you to do low carb if you stay within your points. i, at least, can't have carbs, even whole wheat, etc., at every meal and stay within points. i dont know if that would be keeping you from losing or not though.

Scorpio19
01-12-2011, 08:31 AM
It's frustrating to say the least. I'm always around 20 points and 1000 calories. And I'm eating more now than I ever did. On the package of the Magc Pop rice cakes, the nutritional pane is 15 calories and 0 everything else with 1 carb. Its made from wheat, soy and rice. I'm so annoyed! LOL

thinner
01-12-2011, 09:50 PM
well hang in there; it's not even been two weeks yet. for me, i have to put my body through something to jolt it to make it lose. either a big huge increase in the amount of exercise i do, or a huge decrease in calories. for me, i have to look at my new exercise/food in relation to my old exercise/food. there has to be a big difference between the old and the new for any change to happen in my body.

Scorpio19
01-13-2011, 08:06 AM
I remember when I was on the Atkins diet I lost 8 pounds the first week, guess I was hoping for the same results on WW. :-(

shcirerf
01-13-2011, 08:32 AM
One thing I have discovered, is no matter what "lifestyle" change you decide to follow, you are going to have to count/account for what you put in your mouth.

I don't like programs that say I CAN'T have this or that, that's no fun.

With WW or CC there are no eliminated foods. Of course that does not mean you should eat a Snickers every day, but you can work on in now and then. Or you can join family or friends for celebrations, or just a drink at happy hour within reason and without guilt.

Scorpio, where is your breakfast? Why not munch on the free fruit instead of rice cakes? Sodium is on big culprit in what you're eating. What exactly are Perdue chicken strips? Are they breaded? We don't have them around here. Do you have a lot of mayo on your Subway? You could get the sandwich as a salad, skip the bread and get ff dressing.

Just a few thoughts.

Scorpio19
01-14-2011, 01:05 AM
Well my day goes like this, wake up cup of tea, around 11 half of my turkey lettuce n tomato on wheat Subway with a lil oil and vinegar, snacks are 1 or 2 rice cakes, around 3 the other half of my Subway. Dinner is either an iceberg lettuce salad with the about 4 oz of chicken strips, or a can of Progresso soup with a couple of saltine crackers. I drink the flavored water from WalMart, about 3-4 bottles a day.

The chicken strips are Perdue Short cuts, I was going to post the link but the site wont let me.

So what am I doing wrong??? :-(

geminimom26
01-14-2011, 06:09 PM
It's frustrating to say the least. I'm always around 20 points and 1000 calories. And I'm eating more now than I ever did. On the package of the Magc Pop rice cakes, the nutritional pane is 15 calories and 0 everything else with 1 carb. Its made from wheat, soy and rice. I'm so annoyed! LOL

What's your daily point allowance? 20 doesn't sound like very much. I would say that you aren't eating enough and that is why you aren't losing. If you eat too little then your body goes into starvation mode and holds onto pounds.

arobinson
01-15-2011, 06:52 AM
I thought on pp everyone had at least 25-29 points?

Scorpio19
01-16-2011, 11:39 PM
I'm not doing the points plus, I'm doing the regular points. The plus is just way too much food for me. Before I started I would just have a bacon and egg sandwich for breakfast and a bowl of cereal for dinner and that was perfect. Now I feel like I am eating a ton of food.

ckatgo
01-17-2011, 06:50 AM
I thought I would jump in and post an update. I think I am going to go WW, why you may ask? I would have more guidance. I discovered with calorie counting there is a lot of trail and error involved. Since I am on Doctors orders to get this weight off, I want to mess with weeks of trial and error. I have all the stuff for WW under the old system, so I am going to start there. I realize at some point I am going to have to make the switch because everything will be under the new point system and life will just be more difficult, but until I feel like forking over the cash, this will do.

Metta,
Kat

Nicmom24
01-18-2011, 08:54 AM
I dont know if my problem fits in this post, but sorry if it dont belong here. Since 1/1/11 I have been doing the WW points thing. I have a Subway (on wheat) each day which is 14 points and for dinner I have a iceberg salad with Perdue chicken strips or a can of Progresso soup(4 points). I munch on some rice cakes ( 1 point each) during the day if I have the urge. I drink 3 or 4 32 oz bottles of water a day. I haven't lost an ounce! Can any of you figure out what I am doing wrong? I am so upset, I just wanna cry!

When I read your post I had a few thoughts.

What about breakfast?

Not including a breakfast what you've got there adds up to about 23 points which is at least 6 points less than the WW minimum for weight loss. It could be you're actually not eating enough. If you go into starvation mode you won't lose.

Also what you've listed there is ALOT of sodium. I don't know the numbers offhand but you've got pretty much all canned/processed foods there which typically have a lot of sodium. That can cause you to hold water which = heavier weight even though it's just water. You're drinking a good amount of water which will help with that but it might not be enough to flush the extra water out if you've got all that sodium going on.

Hope this helps.

Scorpio19
01-19-2011, 08:05 AM
Hi NicMom,
My breakfast is half the Subway at around 11 and then lunch is the other half around 2. This is way more food than I am used to eating to begin with! Before starting the points, I would have a bacon n egg sandwich at 9 then not eat again until around 6 and then it would be just a bowl of cereal. I've been sick with a cold the past 3 days and haven't eaten much at all, except a couple bowls of cereal and one can of soup. I use the Progresso soup that has the WW points posted on the label. Just kept drinking water for the past 3 days. I feel more bloated now than ever. LOL I don't know what the heck is going on!

peanutt
01-19-2011, 08:44 AM
Scorpio, I have two ideas/suggestions from what you've posted here. First, sodium could be playing a big part in what's going on with your body. All those foods you have listed will have a higher sodium content than just eating fruits, veggies or other whole foods made at home.

Secondly I believe that you haven't been feeding your body enough for a long time. Your body needs a certain amount of calories each day just to keep everything alive and running (this is your Basal Metabolic Rate). Your body would burn these calories even if you were comatose.

From the stats you have posted and guessing at your age, your BMR looks to be just under 1600 calories per day. When you eat less than 1600 calories per day, your body dips into stored body fat to make up the difference. BUT if you eat too little and your body consistently doesn't have enough fuel to keep everything running (i.e. you eat very low calorie diets for an extended period of time) your body will go into starvation mode and start storing every bit of fat and fuel that it can.

Using that information for good weight loss means finding the level at which you'll have a calorie deficit each day, but you'll still be eating enough calories to keep your body from thinking that you're starving and to keep it from storing everything it can. It sounds counter-intuitive to some people, but you have to eat more to lose weight.

So, in short, if I was you I would:
- eat less sodium, fewer processed foods
- eat breakfast within 1 hour of waking up each day to jump start your metabolism
- try increasing your daily calorie intake
- stick with these changes for 2 weeks and check the results then

Good luck!

Michou
01-19-2011, 09:04 AM
Scorpio could it be the salt from the sandwich, chicken and soup that keeps you were you are, lot of processed food contains high level of sodium.

Scorpio19
01-19-2011, 08:34 PM
Thank you ladies for all the help you have been giving me, I am truly at my wits end and and very lost. So, with all the talk about sodium, I went and looked up the sodium counts on my Subway, Perdue Short Cut chicken strips and Progresso soup. It comes to 3865mg a day. Is this too much, just right or not enuf?

Thanks again for all the help!

peanutt
01-19-2011, 09:16 PM
That's way too much. 1500mg is the recommended daily I believe, with a recommended max of (?)2400mg per day.

I understand the confusion that can come at the start of a journey like this, but this forum can be a terrific source of information and help to get you going on the right path. Feed yourself more, cut back some salt and you'll be off to a great start.

Scorpio19
01-20-2011, 07:13 PM
OK, so I am going to ditch the Subway and switch to lo salt turkey omlette, that alone will save me 1800mg of salt, plus no footlong hunk of bread everyday should help a bit. Not into grilling chicken breast all the time so I will stick with the Perdue chicken/iceberg salad, just need to find something else to switch off for dinner. I love the Smart Ones frozen dinners but I bet they are loaded with salt too. I'll hit up the fruit more and mabe have cereal for dinner every other night. As you sweet ladies can tell, I am a very picky eater!

Nicmom24
01-20-2011, 07:34 PM
You don't have to grill your chicken breast "all the time" You can grill up 2-4 breasts at once on the weekends or whenever you have more time and then keep the extra in the fridge for a couple days. You could even do a month's worth at once, wrap up in individual portions and freeze. Then just pull what you need out the freezer to thaw in the fridge the night before.

I second what peanutt posted here and earlier. I'd expect you are in starvation mode and are retaining water due to the high sodium intake. Eat some fresh fruits/veggies. Watermelon and cucumber are excellent home remedies for water retention. Also drinking extra water helps.

Scorpio19
01-21-2011, 12:22 AM
Thinking about it, I do eat very little and have been like this for at least 5 years, you would thing my body would of realized this by now and adapted itself out of starvation mode.

What is the best way to cook chicken breast so it stays juicy, every time I try it turns out dry as a bone. I cant BBQ them coz it's winter, microwave sounds gross, boiling takes out the flavor, frying is a no-no, jeez!!!

JennyT
01-21-2011, 12:34 AM
You can fry it in a little bit of olive oil, helps get one of your healthy oils for the day in as well :)

MadamButterfly
01-21-2011, 01:09 AM
I agree with Peanut and the others; maybe you could try broiling the chicken with a little salt, pepper, garlic & onion powder. I like cumin on my chicken breast also . . . and like peanut said, eat breakfast. You said you used to eat eggs & bacon, so do the eggs, maybe do scrambled with onions, tomatoes and jalapeno peppers or whatever you like (I saute the veggies a little in olive oil, then add beaten eggs . . . sometimes I just eat the eggs, sometimes I use corn tortillas (2 tortillas is 50 or 60 calories, not sure how many points. I'm with the others, stay away from that packaged stuff, WAY too much salt . . . or a poached egg on whole grain bread . . . just ideas. i usually eat some kind of fruit shortly after breakfast, a pear, apple, cantelope, kiwi, it's always a nice little sweet treat . .

peanutt
01-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Thinking about it, I do eat very little and have been like this for at least 5 years, you would thing my body would of realized this by now and adapted itself out of starvation mode.

What is the best way to cook chicken breast so it stays juicy, every time I try it turns out dry as a bone. I cant BBQ them coz it's winter, microwave sounds gross, boiling takes out the flavor, frying is a no-no, jeez!!!

As long as you're still eating very little, your body will continue to store as much as it can for fuel. The only way to get your body to adapt is to eat more each day and continue that for an extended period of time.

I bake my chicken breasts in big batches just in the oven. I cook them at 375F and am very careful not to overcook. Chicken will dry out more if it's overcooked. You could also try a quick sear in a pan before baking.

You could also do some slow cooker batches of chicken cooked in something like salsa. I like to make a batch of chicken cooked in salsa and then freeze some individual portions for use in tacos, quesadillas, tortilla pizzas, etc.

jdael
01-21-2011, 04:16 PM
Scorpio, where is breakfast? and 14 pts for Subway seems steep. Are you having a 6"? There are good choices around 9 pts. I also have done chicken breast in the microwave and it surprisingly was very juicy and tender. Season it well, cover it and give it about 5 mins.

Scorpio19
01-21-2011, 10:58 PM
Well...the 14 points was for a foot long turkey Subway, I would eat half around 11 then the other half around 3, so that was breakfast and lunch. But to eliminate all the darn sodium, ate a ham omlette for breakfast with 2 slices of wheat toast. Then for a snack I had a Special K cracker thingy which was yucky. Dinner was no salt turkey breast on whole wheat with some lettuce and a few drops of Italian dressing. I still gotta figure out some more to eat but I am so stuffed I don't want to look at food.

I like all the ideas with the chicken, my fav was the slow cooker, I can throw a whole chicken in that thing and munch for days LOL. I have to up my fruits n veggies. Worse thing is I really hate to cook, no seriously, it's like torture to me, that's why I go with a lot of the prepackaged stuff. Today marks 21 day of this and not an ounce lost so I just have to keep trying different stuff to start seeing some results. Jeez I could kick my self for gaining this lard back!!!!!!
You ladies are the best! <3

jessy 49
01-22-2011, 11:53 AM
The American Heart Assn recommends 1500 mg of sodium per day. Your level is more than two-and-a-half times that!

You really need to try to eat more "real" food -- not the store-bought, pre-packaged, for-occasional-use-only food that you have been surviving on.

Scorpio19
01-22-2011, 09:10 PM
jessy

I totally agree! I'm trying to come up with stuff I like that wont be a hassle to make since I hate to cook. I'm ok with eating the same things alot so all I really need is to come up with a couple of things for dinner and I'm good.

I am so surprised at how much sodium is in the stuff I was eating. It's gross!

Scorpio19
01-23-2011, 10:25 PM
I'm so upset. I ate a slice of pizza and 2 garlic knots. I knew I shouldnt but i was starving adn spent 4 hours at the laundrymat helping my gf. (hangs head in shame) =(

harobed
01-23-2011, 11:35 PM
I'll chime in with the rest of them - I was counting calories from a very early age. I like WW and started doing it when they had 123 and that was the first time I paid them a dime until recently when I did a free trial to see what the new plan was all about and decided to get an official "life membership" so I paid again.

But calories in and out is important, and type of calories is also important. All WW is doing is basically suggesting that you get more of your calories from Protein than Fat and (the less good) Carbs.

"Points" is merely a method to figure that out quickly and efficiently, but there's nothing magical, nor secret, about it.

Good luck to you!

glenlea
01-24-2011, 01:57 AM
I normally to the belly fat cure diet, so why am I ranting here? Well, after a week on the diet (granted it is only a week, however hang on for more details) I have gained...yes, GAINED weight. I solid week of what felt like food torchure, at the gym, no sugar in the coffee, eggs, eggs, eggs I gained weight. Now it has taken me forever to get up the "gumption" to follow any plan, but to GAIN. Anywho, I contacted my support group for the diet and they said WHAT??? what they said was, how was your calorie count??? I was like....you don't count calories but carbs.....they said, if your overall calorie count is high, you will gain...I was astounded....flabbergasted....shocked.

Then I was like, If I have to count, then I am going on wieght watchers...more choices, better food.....so here I am and why I posted all this here.

Thanks for listening. Now I need to find how to do this program at home. I am too upset to fork over cash for anymore "diet plans"

Sorry to ***** in the middle of your day....

Hi, i was doing the BFC for the last 3 weeks, and like you, i put on weight, 2.5kgs!! I am so over eggs right now. And i still dont like coffee without sugar. I am now looking for a new plan and have seen the new WW Pro Points system. I tried the old points system but could not keep under the 18 points and the meetings were not good. I wonder whether this will work for me?? Good luck with your plan.

shcirerf
01-24-2011, 08:40 AM
Move on from the pizza and garlic knots.:hug:

Ziplock makes steam bags for the microwave and there are recipes inside the package. Great if you're in a hurry and/or don't like to cook. Just toss it in the bag and in the micro and in a few minutes you have a healthy steamed meal. No dirty pots and pans!:carrot: Plus, easy to pack to work, if you have a microwave at work.

harobed
01-24-2011, 06:29 PM
I will also note, since this is the WW section after all, that some of the "bars" are fairly low in points, and good for a quick fill when on the run. I personally like the Quaker Oats Chocolate 25% Less Sugar and the Fiber One 90 Calories. I'm not allowed to post the points here, but I think they're worth it. (Yes, I'd rather have fruit, but there are reasons I can't as easily carry those on the run.)

Scorpio19
01-24-2011, 11:26 PM
shcirerf:

what is this magic bag of which you speak???? no dirty pots n pans??? What can be put into this marvelous invention???

I have discovered eating lo-salt turkey breast is like eating floppy thin wet cardboard. =(