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sparky1946
12-06-2010, 09:00 AM
I cannot believe it is the 6th of Dec and we did not have a new thread...

SUSANnnnnnnnn!!!!!!


Ilene
12-08-2010, 11:01 PM
Thank you for reminding me!! It's been busy :crazy:

wildviolets
12-10-2010, 07:52 AM
Where is everyone? I may not post often but I look forward to reading ever day.

CJZee....your pics were awesome. I so wish I had such progress to show.

Lately I'm getting stuck on some health issues. I'm starting to think maybe I have a sluggish thyroid and many of the books say that it's important to get your TSH low. Mine is 2.44. I was considering taking and iodine supplement but then the Healthy Skeptic is against it and other doctors are very for it and I got myself confused.

Does anyway take an iodine supplement? Does anyone else have thyroid issues? I think I might because I always have a low basal temperature....dry skin, fatigue, can't lose weight to save my life, irritability, cold hands and feet (my DH calls them the icy claws of death)....things like that. My regular GP would think I was crazy if I said anything so i'm trying to research on my own.

Well have a nice weeikend i anyone is out there!


midwife
12-10-2010, 08:41 AM
Slow thread! I'm going to do this again, but adapted so I can meet my exercise goals!

Ilene
12-10-2010, 08:45 AM
Hi girls :wave: yea it's been busy, so no time to post much...

Wild violet -- Sorry I have no idea about iodine sups and sluggish thyroid :( ...

Finally went running yesterday... Ran also on Sunday :dance: ... It's been difficult to get myself out there since I lost my two running partners...One got pneumonia the other hurt her back :( ... But I am back at it :D ... Food has been good...

Ilene
12-10-2010, 08:46 AM
CJ -- -Love your pics too ... :bravo: on your progress you look great! ....

sparky1946
12-10-2010, 01:57 PM
wildviolets...

Swamped here with year-end work...
Will give it my'all (posting) come January.

Just trying to stay on track and get through the holidays intact.

Don't know anything about iodine, either.

CJZee
12-11-2010, 03:42 PM
Thanks, everyone, for the atta-girls on my photos (I have since taken them down). Even though I've pretty much maintained since maybe August, it's only now that my weight loss has come onto people's radar. I am getting so many comments and compliments I definitely think there is some body re-arranging going on. And I'm happy to report that maintaining here seems pretty effortless. I was worried about set-point theory, but perhaps I have convinced my body 200 is a new set point. (I keep imagining in my head that 176 is the new setpoint so maybe my body will begin to believe that, but so far I haven't fooled it, lol.) I actually think this little rest stop is good for my body and, while I can't wait to begin sliding down again (and WHY couldn't it have stopped at 199 instead of 200 ... tell me why!???), I am totally okay with being here for a time.

I'm in Florida today, and Monday will head back to the frozen north (don't ask me why, there is no logic to it except my fiance feels cozy with fireplaces or some such).

Wildviolets, I am hypothyroid, have been for 40+ years, and take Synthroid. My bloodwork (with Synthroid) shows everything in normal range, but I have often suspected something is out-of-whack because of all the reasons you're quoting. I too have read bad things about iodine and don't think I would self-medicate with it. But, to be honest, I haven't studied up on the thyroid very much. There is a website called "Stop the Thyroid Madness" which I have heard is a pretty good site (you can google it). Let us know what you discover. I know taking your temperature first thing in the morning before you get up provides an indication that you may have thyroid problems if your body temperature is low.

CJZee
12-12-2010, 08:39 AM
I found a website that has paleo-type recipes. Haven't tried any, but they look good. http://www.wholelifeeating.com/

sparky1946
12-12-2010, 09:30 AM
Over on MDA, someone posted that "fathead" the movie is free on Hulu.com:

here's the link: http://www.hulu.com/watch/196879/fat-head

It is very entertaining but very educational especially for reluctant family members. My DH actually became very angry, mostly at those who have always known what is best for us dummies...

sparky1946
12-12-2010, 09:39 AM
CJ,

I have been "stuck" in the low 150s for about a month now and I'm thinking kinda like you....It's OK and maybe I am set pointing right here. I too wish I could be just a bit lower like 149 just to cross off another milestone.

I have needed to work more. One night, I was up all night working on a new website, just couldn't go to sleep. I am trying so hard to figure out how to balance everything and be able to post, work, clean, babysit, work-out, sleep and relax all in one day and not be frantic. I do not know why this is so hard for me.

I have not been able to sustain a fast day for about 1 1/2 months. This is also weird. IFing is probably responsible for most of the weight-loss so far. I am going to try the eat for 4 hours in the middle of the day thingy and see if I can jump start my weightloss.

walking2lose
12-12-2010, 11:26 AM
I cannot believe it is the 6th of Dec and we did not have a new thread...

SUSANnnnnnnnn!!!!!!

Ha,ha! Sandy, you should've just gone for it and started it! :D

walking2lose
12-12-2010, 11:52 AM
Hello ladies and happy half way through December!!

Seems like all of us have been busy, busy, busy... the holidays combined with normal life plus work = less time for posting on 3FC.

DH and I do not like the commercialism and stress of Christmas, and so a few years ago we simplified our holidays by having a talk with our families about gift giving. Both families agreed that it would make the holidays more enjoyable to just do gifts for the kids - so we buy for our 5 nieces and nephews (they are 11 and under) but not for adults in the family. This worked great until a couple years ago when we were at the in-laws, and both his parents and brother gave us gifts - we had none-DH even confirmed with them before our visit "no gifts, right?" It was awfully embarrassing and awkward, let me tell you. We are going to there this year, and I'm really hoping it doesn't happen again. DH says all have agreed no gifts, but...

MIL can be a difficult person, and I'm hoping it won't be too stressful of a visit- I'm really worried about the food too because I do not plan to go into any sort of explanation of my new way of eating - it would only create a very unpleasant conversation (Oh, so you are doing the Atkins diet -- all you're eating is bacon and steak? well, that's not healthy -- here, have a whole wheat English muffin with MARGARINE -- now, that's healthy!)I will just not eat all the rolls, breads (they have with every meal), and sweets. Hoping for enough meat and veggies to sustain me through the visit.

CJ -- yes, your loss and pics are very inspiring! It's great that you're maintaining easily at 200 - I know you will break through that and lower your set point once again. Keep up the great work!

Sandy, hang in there -- you are doing GREAT especially considering how busy you are -- websites, baby sitting, LIFE - it's a LOT. Don't be too hard on yourself! Slow and steady wins the race.

I've been maintaining in the mid 140s all fall and would really like to get rid of 5 more pounds. I know part of my plateau is lack of exercise - I've been busy and tired and have just not been getting my walks/yoga/weights in at all. Fortunately, I have not gained, which I think is because I've really adapted to the way of eating, and food has been good (I did have a carb explosion about 2 months ago where I had a week or two of carby eating but I'm back on track from that).

Last night we had roasted chicken with sauteed asparagus with store bought hollandaise sauce from Trader Joe's - not 100% primal, but darn, that stuff is delicious!

I want to be more diligent checking in here at our thread - it's always a source of support, and I shouldn't neglect it.

Off to clean....Have a wonderful day all!

sparky1946
12-12-2010, 05:14 PM
Ha,ha! Sandy, you should've just gone for it and started it! :D

I actually didn't even think of it until well into Dec. as I said. I just miss you and Susan so I take every opportunity to whine...

sf40
12-12-2010, 09:28 PM
Hello, ladies!

Seems like everyone is busy, lots of living, less posting. But it is great to catch up on the news Ö

CJZee, I managed to view your progress photos last week and the change is incredible. You look great! Sorry to hear you are headed back to the cold, frozen north.

Sandy, congrats on your low fasting BG! That is wonderful news. It seems your body is indeed healing and perhaps your weight loss will resume shortly. Some time back, I read something by an endocrinologist and what remains in my memory is her statement that you cannot really lose weight safely until your body heals. So keep caring for yourself and know it will happen. It just may take time.

Wildviolets, I donít know anything about thyroid and iodine. Which is surprising, because I was treated for mild hypothyroid symptoms for a couple of years. The endo, however, stopped seeing me because I wouldnít lose weight. How dare I not lose weight, no matter what combo of drugs he tried???

So what have I been up to, the last month or so since I disappeared from here? Not much, except stressing myself out. Work is very stressful, but a bit less so now than previously. At the same time as work was getting to me, I was stressing myself out by reading too much on reasons for elevated blood glucose. If you recall, I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes, which led me to primal eating. So I decided I needed to take an ďinternet breakĒ and focus on caring for myself. I had a few slip-ups with eating, but they are less and less.

Based on some things I read before I took my internet break, I decided to go slightly higher carb, but still no wheat and other toxic grains. I havenít tracked my food for a while, but am going for about 100g of carbs a day by eating sweet potatoes, squash, some fruit, yogurt, cottage cheese. I am eating white potatoes once in a while, though I find them very dry and bland now unless I cover them with tons of butter. I also eat a bit of white rice on occasion; rice is my least-favorite grain, so itís easy to stop after a couple of bites. I backed off on sprints and even slightly intense exercise and right now only walk and do yoga.

The changes seem to help. I am much less anxious now. I almost feel calm, although work still has me stressed on occasion. However, I feel better equipped to cope with it. I am not waking up with an anxious, racing heart anymore, which may have been contributing to my elevated fasting BG. My weight loss is stuck according to the scale, but the interesting thing is I am still shrinking and am just about out of my smallest jeans. So I guess this means I am losing fat, even at nearly 100g of carbs per day and very little light exercise. Canít complain!

I am cautiously happy right now and think I need/want to enjoy this feeling for a few more weeks before I start testing my BG again. The reason for waiting is that I feel like I am perched on the edge right now and that a fasting BG reading higher than I would like to see will push me over to the bad mental place I was before I took my internet break. I need to move away from the edge a safe distance before I want to test again. Sounds weird, but something I need to do.

CJZee
12-13-2010, 06:28 AM
I am cautiously happy right now and think I need/want to enjoy this feeling for a few more weeks before I start testing my BG again. The reason for waiting is that I feel like I am perched on the edge right now and that a fasting BG reading higher than I would like to see will push me over to the bad mental place I was before I took my internet break. I need to move away from the edge a safe distance before I want to test again. Sounds weird, but something I need to do.

I do so understand about listening to our inner selves and heeding the advice given there. For example, I have characterized this place where I am (not losing weight) as a rest, which is exactly what I feel it is. I get actually agitated when people describe it as a "brick wall" I have to crash through. That mental image only hurts me. I'm so glad you're calmer and cautiously happy now. :hug::hug:

wildviolets
12-13-2010, 07:24 AM
First of all "Thank you" everyone for posting....it really makes me happy for some reason.

CJZee thanks for the suggestions. I'll check out the thyroid website but the more I read the more confused I get. My chiropractor has some ideas and I see him today.

Susan I totally agree about Christmas. I have a bug up my butt about presents. I think they should only be for the kids but it seems my DH's family doesn't agree. Then when you think you've come to a compromise, someone goes and buys everyone presents and makes you feel like a schmuck.

I was never much for Christmas untill I had my little boy and now i love it for him (watching movies, hiding the elf on the shelf, writing Santa, etc). But that's it. I end up spending WAY too much money on gifts that no one even cares about. Anyway, I'll quit ranting. :)

As for all of you who are stalled in your weight loss......I think if you look at your journey you will all be so proud of yourselves for not yo-yoing and for maintaining without much effort. It really has become a way of life for you!

You all inspire me everyday! Have a good one.

CJZee
12-13-2010, 08:25 AM
CJZee thanks for the suggestions. I'll check out the thyroid website but the more I read the more confused I get. My chiropractor has some ideas and I see him today.

Found some very good information on iodine at Dr. Davis' blog:
http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search/label/Iodine

Ilene
12-13-2010, 09:02 AM
Re: Chrismas Gifts... A few years ago we stopped buying for the adults and so far it's working well, everyone is going with it and agrees that there is way less stress... The first year it felt weird though... We got over that pretty quickly :lol: ...

Yep, I for one love eating Primal....This weekend we had two parties in the same night :faint: .. I ate prime rib roast and veggies at one party with desert, at the other party I ate only desert, of course I drank lots of wine too :cheers: ... Yesterday I ate only two meals they were both very primal... This morning the scale only showed a .4 lbs gain... In the past with deserts and carbs I would have been up at least 5 lbs in a weekend where I splurge a little too much....

Life here is same ole same ole... but more on the busy-ish side :lol:

sparky1946
12-13-2010, 09:29 AM
I have been tracking many things as you all know.

One thing that I don't pay much attention to is calories. I had my calorie thingy set for 1200 when I first started tracking at Livestrong.com/myplate. Just 'cause that is usually the lowest amount of calories that one "should" have. I would usually not get that high averaging around 900. Not trying to limit them but it just worked out that way.

Recently, after reading the hugh amounts of primal food most folks were eating on MDA, I changed the calorie amount to 1600. For awhile, I was no way eating that much, but in the last month or so, I have been exceeding that several times a week. Again, not trying to, just keeping my carbs around 50-60 and then eating primally.

I am kinda please that I am able to eat more without gaining weight. We all are so programmed by years of dieting, that increasing calories and fat becomes scary, we don't really believe....

My body is getting more nutrition and is stable.

I like that...

wildviolets
12-13-2010, 10:50 AM
THanks CJZee! I think I read that one before.....by what I've read, I could have hypothyroidism but I don't know if i can convince my gp so I'd have to do some research on a good doctor. I go to my gyne in Jan so maybe she can be some help.

Maybe this is wrong but I was hoping to figure it all out myself and try some natural ways to heal myself. I think I really need to find a healthy regime and STICK TO IT! I got the primal eating down pretty much but I do eat too much sugar. My sweet tooth has got to stop. I also need to work on my digestion. The primal eating is great for that but I think I still need some tweaking....maybe some fermented foods??

I sound like a wacko don't I? ;) It's just that after I turned 40 (I'm now 44) I seem to have so many little health problems. Nothing major, just minor annoyances.......and it bugs me.

Mikkijoe
12-13-2010, 01:16 PM
THanks CJZee! I think I read that one before.....by what I've read, I could have hypothyroidism but I don't know if i can convince my gp so I'd have to do some research on a good doctor. I go to my gyne in Jan so maybe she can be some help.

Maybe this is wrong but I was hoping to figure it all out myself and try some natural ways to heal myself. I think I really need to find a healthy regime and STICK TO IT! I got the primal eating down pretty much but I do eat too much sugar. My sweet tooth has got to stop. I also need to work on my digestion. The primal eating is great for that but I think I still need some tweaking....maybe some fermented foods??

I sound like a wacko don't I? ;) It's just that after I turned 40 (I'm now 44) I seem to have so many little health problems. Nothing major, just minor annoyances.......and it bugs me.

I have been trying to post every day and no matter what I do it wont post, so I will try a quote this time, arrahahhhhgggg this is frustrating, next thing I will have to do is create a new user if this doesnt work

deetermined2
12-13-2010, 03:28 PM
wildviolets,

I also think I have a sluggish thyroid. One of the markers is lack of moons on your fingernails. This is suppose to be a selenium deficiency according to something I read.

My niece, who tests low, doesn't have moons either.

I occasionally take kelp to get iodine. I should take it more regularly. You need to watch what kind of kelp it is. One of the better ones is Fucothin according to my sister, though it is also one of the most expensive. (I am not sure I would want to ask for the product by name, but that really is it, unless the pronunciation is different than I think it is.) It is a kind of brown seaweed.

wildviolets
12-13-2010, 03:45 PM
Hi determined.....that is weird....I never noticed before but i don't have moons either??

I like seaweed in sushi but other than that it kindof grosses me out. DOes it taste weird?

My chiropractor was a complete bust. He just looked at my ranges on my blood test papers and said everything looked good. I wasn't expected much more though.

deetermined2
12-13-2010, 10:11 PM
Hi, wildviolets,

I take kelp as a supplement. My sister says the Fucothin works best for her, but I have also picked up the NOW Kelp. It's cheaper. A magazine recommended NOW within the last year. I don't usually eat seaweed, as such. I live in the wrong region to find it easily, though I have had Japanese food that was wrapped with it.

Several years ago, my husband and I were at a beach on the west coast and came across a sign that forbid the harvesting of seaweed there. The sign was written in more than ten languages. I guess other cultures know more about its health benefits than we do.

wildviolets
12-14-2010, 07:41 AM
Thanks determined....I'll check them out.

Does anyone eat any fermented foods? I think MDA recommends this and I've definitely see it at quite a few paleo/primals sites.

I was thinking it might be a good practice to start and to help my digestion.

Oh_Canada
12-14-2010, 07:48 AM
your post made my morning...have a great day

Mahalia
12-14-2010, 11:56 AM
Hello everyone! Thought I would check in here. I totally agree with the sentiment on Christmas presents. I don't celebrate Christmas, but I see the stress it causes everyone rushing around to buy presents. And especially now when everyone if so strapped for money.

This Christmas I am getting together with friends and we are cooking an amazing paleo dinner. It will involve a side of salmon, baked acorn squash, and I will be making something green, don't know what yet. It will be more like Thanksgiving than Christmas, but without the pies!

I had an amazing conversation with two women last night at a seminar I'm taking. Co-incidentally the issue of diet came up and both of them are on something called the "specific carb diet'. Turns out it's pretty much paleo. A doctor developed it for folks with GI problems, and a biochemist wrote a book about it. One of the women has a son with Autism, and she herself had depression and anxiety. Both were resolved on the diet. The other woman had IBS so severe she was in the hospital on antibiotics and they were talking about surgery and colostomy bags. Since going on the diet she has had no more symptoms!

It's amazing stuff, isn't it? Sometimes I get so mad that docs will hand out drugs like candy, but aren't willing to read up on how to improve health through diet!

When is someone going to set up a big fat fund to do more clinical trials of nutrition!?

As for me, I'm still struggling to get the weight off. Gained a few pounds while doing Paleo. I swear I'm the only person who could gain wait on Paleo. But like someone said "it's not magic, you still have to not overeat". I guess that's the trick. So for the next two weeks I'm going to count calories as well, and see what kind of difference it makes. If the scales moves in the right direction I'll have my answer.

The good news is, my clothes all still fit the same. I'm sure some of the weight gain is muscle, as I've been doing lots of strength training.

As for the Iodine, I find it very confusing. My GP (he's sort of holistic) gave me a book about how iodine was the best thing since sliced bread and we all need it. But when I take it my heart pounds, not good. Now there is a lot of other information about why it's bad for you. I guess it just goes to show what I already know, you have to sift through all the information yourself and then just experiment!

CJZee
12-14-2010, 04:23 PM
Thanks determined....I'll check them out.

Does anyone eat any fermented foods? I think MDA recommends this and I've definitely see it at quite a few paleo/primals sites.

I was thinking it might be a good practice to start and to help my digestion.

I really like the blog of Dr. Art Ayers (Ph.D not MD). He does research on gut flora (the microbes in your intestines). He has a great blog called "Cooling Inflammation", although for some reason he hasn't posted lately. He'll even respond to your questions if you ask it on a blog post. Here is the link. (http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/)

Anyway, he highly recommends fermented foods and also pectin (apples etc) and inulin (leeks, etc). Here is a link (http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/search/label/anti-inflammatory%20diet)to the anti-inflammatory diet he recommends which is very paleo-like but with emphasis on building (or re-building) diverse gut flora.

I personally try to eat fermented foods, aged cheese, leeks and the occasional apple strictly for my gut flora. If you search his site, he's got a ton of really good information, a lot of it in the "comments" sections.

Mikkijoe
12-14-2010, 06:14 PM
so is a shot of vodka like a fermented potato?

Mikkijoe
12-14-2010, 06:16 PM
Sweet...it will let me post again!

The smart remark was a test to see, I didnt think it would really post

Hello to new posters, and those coming back

alot of forums post about fermented foods and the benefits. I would eat kimchee every day but I dont like it without rice! lol a little saurkraut if good mixed into a salad, I have been trying to do that

wildviolets
12-15-2010, 08:55 AM
Hey Sandy,
Just watched Fathead.....very funny and interesting.

Thank you CJZee for more info. I found alot of interesting things on that guys site. I need to find a good source around here for fermented foods. I bought some Zukay salad dressing at a food conference but it's hard to find here.

Have a good day all and Mikkie Joe, I'm glad you can post again!

walking2lose
12-15-2010, 06:36 PM
Eeew... kimchee! My dad did a hardship tour (meaning by himself) in Korea during my senior year. I love Korean food (bol gogi -yum), but the smell of kimchee - yech. When my sister, mom, and I visited him my mom and dad would not stop eating the stuff -- I've just never gotten past the smell. However, I LOVE sauerkraut - go figure!

Violets - so sorry to hear about the thyroid issues - I am in the same boat, and it's SO DANG CONFUSING!! I had a really good dr. diagnose me and put me on a low dose of synthroid. Well, she quit (moved) and now I am stuck with my dolt of a GP - she took me off synthroid. I still think I need it but need to research the numbers and all that. Argh.

Anyway - food has been good this week, but tonight the cupboards are bare. No clue what I will be able to scrounge up for dinner, but I need to go look - I'm starving.

More later...

walking2lose
12-16-2010, 07:14 AM
Woohoo -- snow day!!!! And we haven't even seen a flake of snow yet! Good ole' Virginia!

So, I'm heading up to school to get a stack of essays to grade - I hope someone is there and the building is open. Then a quick trip to the store to get a few stapes in case we really do get snowed in.

I'm thinking of getting Molasses sugar cookie ingredients - I'm hosting book club at my house Monday night, and I just really want to make cookies. However, of course I'm worried I'll have no control whatsoever and eat TOO many. Is anyone else planning to do any holiday baking??

I ended up eating shredded sauteed cabbage with ground venison last night. I sauteed it in bacon fat with a little garlic, salt, pepper, crushed red peper, and tamari sauce. Yummy and very primal!

Have a great day girls!

Ilene
12-16-2010, 09:22 AM
Tis the season of cookies and candies in the secretaries kitchen :faint: I have been baaaad :frypan: ... When I'm not at work I eat Primal but I get a lot of cravings because of the other things I am eating :rolleyes:

Mahalia
12-17-2010, 02:08 PM
Ilene- I consider myself lucky to work in an office with only two other people. We don't have a kitchen, just a fridge and microwave, so no one can drop off baked goods and other crap and run away!

CJZee
12-18-2010, 08:27 AM
Hi all! Well, yesterday I had my annual physical and also a routine gynecology appt. You may remember I have a "regular" doctor and an "alternative" doctor who is supposed to be helping me lower my cholesterol without use of statins. This appointment was with the regular doctor whom I like but is very traditional.

I've got to say, ladies, that this was the most weird appointment I've ever had because my "regular" doctor -- who has pretty much fought me every step of the way on what I'm doing (you're eating too much fat! go on a statin! more fruit! you can't sustain what you're doing! ) has now totally reversed himself. And he didn't even realize it, because -- of course -- he doesn't remember our conversations from one year to the next because he has so many patients. But I have only me, so I remember.

So .... here are the surprises:

1. He told me cutting back on carbs is good, we weren't made to eat so many carbs. He gave me the "paleo" story (although he didn't call it that) about how our ancestors ate things they could pick off a tree or pull from the ground and what they hunted. They didn't eat wheat or any grain that had to be modified, and it would be good if we all went back to eating how our ancestors ate! (Then he gave me the example of how he eats 6 pieces of pizza because of the carbs.)

2. He wanted to measure my Vitamin D level because many people are low. What he "forgot" is I begged him to measure it last time I was there, and he fought me, but did it and measured the wrong level (there is a tissue level and a circulating level, and the tissue one is the "useful" one). So when I asked him about this (not mentioning he did the wrong one last time) he explained to me what I just said! Last year he hadn't ever done a Vitamin D test and now he's recommending them to all his patients!

3. Cholesterol. Last year he was aghast that I was trying to lower my cholesterol without a statin. He was totally against it. I told him about studies that showed post-menopausal women without heart disease don't benefit and in fact there is a reverse-correlation with heart disease and cholesterol level, that it was correlation and not causation, yada yada, but he didn't budge. Well, I went over my cholesterol numbers (that I got from the blood test by the "alternative" doctor). If I recall, Total 255, HDL 71, LDL 165, Triglycerides 67, pattern A LDL large fluffy. I thought he would go nuts with the overall and LDL but he didn't. He said "no one is going to get upset by an LDL of 165." WTH??!! Then he gave me what he called his "standard lecture" on cholesterol, which started out with "it's correlation, not causation" and if a person has low risk for heart disease, it may not mean too much.

Can you believe this? It's like he turned a corner and forgot to tell me.

Anyway, I've got more to report, but I wanted to put this up now. Perhaps "our" message is getting through to standard health care professionals.

walking2lose
12-18-2010, 10:21 AM
CJ -- Sounds like SOMEONE has been reading some books!!!! Excellent for you!!!

wildviolets
12-18-2010, 11:03 AM
CJ that is just awesome! And hopefully! And more evidence that we are all headed on the right path! Thanks for posting.

Ilene
12-18-2010, 12:47 PM
CJ -- Great to hear !!

I'm svelting!
12-18-2010, 03:43 PM
Can you believe this? It's like he turned a corner and forgot to tell me.

Anyway, I've got more to report, but I wanted to put this up now. Perhaps "our" message is getting through to standard health care professionals.

Hooray CJ! I'd say it's more like he followed you around the corner while you were paying attention to something else. You may well have opened his mind to checking the current research and created good medicine for his other patients! :yay:

sparky1946
12-19-2010, 09:51 AM
This gives me hope for my kids and grandkids...

CJZee
12-19-2010, 11:32 AM
Hi ladies --

This is an old 2007 interview with Gary Taubes, but I found it very interesting. It apparently is an actual transcript and not edited.

https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhm4f3rg_36gg4956dm

walking2lose
12-19-2010, 11:33 AM
Yes, Cj - consider yourself very fortunate to have a doctor on board -- how wonderful!

I had a bad eating day yesterday - don't feel great and am not happy about bloating and possible gain. Homemade cookies from a friend...

Also, I haven't been sleep well at all lately - I hate going into the holidays tired - it lowers not only my immune system and makes me feel cruddy, it weakens my willpower.

Who has good tips for sleep? I must do better!!!!

Have a good day all- it's going to be a primal one for me!!

walking2lose
12-19-2010, 11:34 AM
Hi ladies --

This is an old 2007 interview with Gary Taubes, but I found it very interesting. It apparently is an actual transcript and not edited.

https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhm4f3rg_36gg4956dm

Thanks, I'll check it out. Has anyone bought his new book (supposed to be much more accessible than GCBC). I want it!

walking2lose
12-19-2010, 09:51 PM
CJ - I couldn't open it. It just took me to home page of google docs. Do I have to sign up to see it?

Also, I will leave you all with one word for the day/evening/weekend...

ready... ?

BLOATED. :frypan:

Ilene
12-20-2010, 08:09 AM
ready... ?

BLOATED. :frypan:Ditto :rolleyes:

walking2lose
12-21-2010, 06:08 PM
Hi kids, i'm baaaaack. :) Haven't been living very primal, nor very low carb. But I'd like to get back on the wagon. Luckily, my weight seems to have stabilized.

I just made Mark Sisson's bbq sauce. I'll use it up, but does anyone have another one that's a bit sweeter? I did add liquid sucralose to his, but it's still a bit tangier than I like.


Hey Brown! I haven't tried his bbq sauce but I just read on his website his book got nailed as one of the 5 unhealthiest cookbooks of the year. Y'all should go read it if you haven't yet - apparently the group giving the "award" is essentially vegan, so that makes sense.

Welcome back and I'm sure you can get back on track. Personally, I am trying to get through the holidays without too much damage!

sparky1946
12-22-2010, 11:07 AM
Just finished off a nice big pork chop for breakfast......
Very unhealthy... :carrot:

Here's to surviving the holiday meals...:dizzy:

Merry Christmas to all and :newyear:

walking2lose
12-22-2010, 09:38 PM
Just finished off a nice big pork chop for breakfast......
Very unhealthy... :carrot:

Here's to surviving the holiday meals...:dizzy:

Merry Christmas to all and :newyear:

Nice... and yum!

Yes, the holidays are proving more treacherous than I thought...visit at in-laws starts Friday (danger, danger!).

Has anyone heard from Susan... been thinking about her lots.

sparky1946
12-23-2010, 08:24 AM
Good for you, Brown.

I am also trying to recommit to watching everything very closely. I have been stuck in the low 150s for a month or more. I have been OK with this but need to kick start the losing again.

Yesterday, I ate mostly meat (one apple) and am moving in the right direction if only a few ounces.

This does work.

walking2lose
12-23-2010, 02:02 PM
I made hard boiled eggs last night and left them out -- do you think they're fine?

sparky1946
12-23-2010, 02:49 PM
Claire,

Now this is definitely a MikkiJoe (the ex-caterer) question. I would usually just tell my DH to eat them as he has a iron stomach.

I imagine it depends on how warm your kitchen stays. Mine gets pretty cool at night.

What would Grok do? I shutter to think how he "preserved" food. I wonder when our ancestors started cooking eggs? Probably just cracked them open and swallowed raw or better yet, kept them warm until they hatched...

walking2lose
12-23-2010, 09:15 PM
Sandy,
They are in my fridge (can't bear to throw a 10 farm eggs away), but I haven't ventured to eat them yet. lol on what would grok do!!!

srmb60
12-25-2010, 11:54 PM
Merry Christmas!

Ilene
12-26-2010, 01:33 PM
:wave: Merry Christmas to you too Susan and all my Primal friends out there :santa:

walking2lose
12-26-2010, 04:51 PM
Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas, Susan!! Miss you on here!

walking2lose
12-26-2010, 04:52 PM
:wave: Merry Christmas to you too Susan and all my Primal friends out there :santa:


Merry Christmas, Ilene and everyone! We are snowed in!!!!!!!!! BIG DEAL in Tidewater Virginia!

Ilene
12-26-2010, 10:52 PM
Merry Christmas, Ilene and everyone! We are snowed in!!!!!!!!! BIG DEAL in Tidewater Virginia!:lol: and up here in the north we hardly have any at the moment, we keep missing the storms :D

sparky1946
12-27-2010, 01:48 PM
Went to a movie yesterday, "The Kings Speech". Very good movie. I decided a head of time that I would have buttered popcorn only when I go to the movies which happens very rarely as the movies today are usually bad and not worth paying a full ticket price for.

I was so glad I had decided because one is hit with the smell of popcorn just going in the door. I also had a diet coke which I do not allow any other time.
I ordered a large bag and could only eat half. The guy said they used real butter.

Today, I am up a few ounces and am kinda diarrheaish. Probably won't do that again as it just wasn't that good. Sounded better than it tasted.

srmb60
12-29-2010, 11:18 AM
Good morning!

Can I say again how much I love this way of eating?
I have been eating cwap for a couple of weeks. My hands are stiff, my hips are cranky, my belly is puffy and gassy but ... but ... at 139 lbs I'm still wearing my size 2's and 4's!!!
It's true what Mark says about optimal body composition. It is!

sparky1946
12-29-2010, 11:25 AM
It's true what Mark says about optimal body composition. It is!

Can you elaborate? I have not been cheating at all. Maybe a tad more fruit than normal. And I feel a flabbying up a bit. I have not been regularly to the gym and this might be it. But could you remind us all of Mark's premise.

Thanks...

srmb60
12-29-2010, 11:58 AM
I can try ... on page 110 Mark talks about 80% body composition being determined by diet and obtaining enough protein and fat to fuel and rebuild.
By page 224 we have read that our, optimally fed and optimally used, body will be better equipped to handle whatever happens to it.
Since we've learned to use fat for energy we are no longer driven by blood sugar spikes. Our hormones are better regulated. A healthy body can use itself better.
Did that make sense?

tymaboy
12-29-2010, 01:12 PM
I have not posted in this thread for several months. I have not completley fallen off the band wagon until the Holidays had started. I still tried to be half way good but was more bad then good. I have been able to maintain threw it all so I am happy with that. This morning I woke up with the shakes so I know it is time to get back on track. I have had some good motivation to do this. When I 1st got serious about loosing weight again I wore anywhere from an 8-12 now I am a 6-8. I am very happy with that. I will be starting a new job on Jan. 10th & have had to go shopping for some new clothes. It is odd that before I bought large to extra large shirts & now I am finding more shirts Med to large shirts that seem to fit nicely. I am hoping that working outside the home will be easier then working at home. I try to behave & not munch threw out the day, it is usually at nite when DH is home when I have the hardest time. It has been close to a year since I changed my eating habits & I do not see a huge difference like some do but I am still very happy with the progress I have made. My ILs have even noticed that I lost which makes it even more worth while.

walking2lose
12-30-2010, 12:14 PM
Hi girls,
Let's all motivate each other in 2011!! I don't think we should be too hard on ourselves, as the holidays can just be brutal even for those steely willpowered folks - the JUNK is just all around! I'm not making an excuse, but some of us have been derailed, and it's time to get back on track...

I like the idea of all of us encouraging each other in the new year!

Susan - hey! Missed you!

Tyma- great to see you back- missed you too!

Brown - great job with the walking! what kind of surgery? Don't push it -wanna make sure you heal well from it.

Alright ladies, today, let's have a good primal day!!

CJZee
12-31-2010, 08:41 AM
Hi everyone! I agree with Claire, let's do this thing! Today is New Year's Eve, hard to believe that it's the last day of 2010.

The holiday season has been pretty good for me, my weight has been stable. I only had 2 cookies the whole time I think. However, I have eaten a lot more grain than normal. Like, last night I had whole wheat spaghetti PLUS 2 slices of wheat bread with sticks in it (or at least that's the way it seemed to me!)

Anyhoo, even though I normally eschew New Year's resolutions, I am signing up for "Gluten Free January" because it will be an easy thing for me and will, at the same time, get me off this grain train.

Here is link on the info (http://robbwolf.com/2010/12/18/gluten-free-january-guest-post-by-matt-letzner/) from Robb Wolf's blog. Gluten Free January also is on Facebook and they actually have their own little website at glutenfreejan.com (http://www.glutenfreejan.com/home).