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yhahmd
11-24-2010, 01:37 PM
I was just wondering if anyone in here practices no-poo/lo-poo/other? No, it doesn't mean no going to the bathroom ;) it means no-shampoo/low-shampoo. Basically, you switch out your shampoo for conditioner. I started this even before my weight loss journey began, when I had waist length hair. It sounded crazy, but I was fed up with my frizzy, tangly hair and no product seemed to be working. The first two weeks with just conditioner was terrible. My hair was so greasy and matted to my head, I felt so dirty, I had to scrub hard to get the gunk (from products) off my scalp. But after that, things went great. My hair was bouncy, full, conditioned, way less frizzy than it had ever been, etc.

I loved COing (conditioner only-washing), and I still do, but I've gradually started using shampoo again, usually once a week since I only wash my hair twice a week (I DO shower, but don't wash my hair that frequently because it's curly and doesn't get greasy fast.)

I realize this might be a little taboo for some of you, but I figured since 3FC in itself would be sort of unusual to a lot of people OFF this website, maybe the people on here would be more understanding/interested.

Some people that do it also don't use hair products like gel or hairspray, some only use certain natural brands, others use whatever they feel like. If I need anti-frizz stuff, I just scrunch some conditioner into my dry hair. Rarely I'll use hairspray, but that's about it really. I don't blow dry my hair, either, but once in a great while I'll flat iron it or curl it, or put a roller set in, etc.

If you're into it, what's your routine? Do you like using oils? Do you have a favorite conditioner? Do you use cone-free (silicone-free) conditioners, or coney (siliconey) conditioners? How about vinegar or honey, do you use them? Do you go all out and rinse with rose water? :)

I use a vinegar rinse once a month, and make up a batch of honey-conditioner maybe twice a month, three times if it's really dry out. I'm still searching for a perfect conditioner- I had one, but ran out of it, and stupidly tossed the bottle out. Now I don't have the name anymore. :( Oh well.

Sorry if this seems sort of braggy or strange, but my hair is very important to me, almost as important as losing weight and being healthy. So I figured I'd share and see if there were any others here. :)


Optical Goddess
11-24-2010, 01:44 PM
I have naturally curly hair and read about lo/no pooing on naturally curly dot com, but haven't been brave enough to try it. However it did take me awhile to realize it's ok to not wash hair daily. My hair is short and hopefully getting shorter today ( plan on finally getting the pixie I've been dreamin' about for years!). I also read there's a recipe for a leave in conditioner w/ water and aloe vera oil...where did you find all your recipes for home made hair care stuff?

I also don't think you're bragging, nor do I think you're superficial. When we look at someone one of the first things we see is hair. If we describe someone to someone else, usually the first thhing described is hair ( color, length, texture)...

nelie
11-24-2010, 01:47 PM
It is awesome. I was noticing a lot of build up in my hair, so I did it for a couple weeks. I get lazy sometimes and don't do it.

I also don't use ACV or use very little of it if I do. I personally prefer using tea as a rinse.


yhahmd
11-24-2010, 01:51 PM
First I gotta say- @Optical Goddess I LOVE YOUR CURLS! My hair seems to go through stages of length and curl. When it was really long once, it was super curly, now it's about an inch from my shoulders and the curls are so-so. But yours are absolutely beautiful!

And I think a pixie cut would look great on you! How are you getting it done, spikey in the back, or one of those stacked pixie cuts? Is the front going to be like an A-line bob?

The leave in conditioner you're talking about might be the one where it's aloe vera, honey and conditioner, and sometimes EVOO if you want. You can put it in and leave it in for however long you want- but watch honey can lighten your hair, so be careful with how much honey you put in. I've actually lightened my hair before with it, but it took a while.

I find all my recipes on here, mostly: naturallycurly, naturemoms, ladybeautiful and longhaircommunity (this site has great ideas for updos, styles, natural washing methods, etc.)

yhahmd
11-24-2010, 01:52 PM
It is awesome. I was noticing a lot of build up in my hair, so I did it for a couple weeks. I get lazy sometimes and don't do it.

I also don't use ACV or use very little of it if I do. I personally prefer using tea as a rinse.

What kind of tea do you use? That's one thing I haven't tried yet, actually.

nelie
11-24-2010, 01:57 PM
What kind of tea do you use? That's one thing I haven't tried yet, actually.

Just whatever black tea we have. Which usually means PG tips but lipton or any brand should work.

I also don't use any hair products.

The funny thing is I lost any curl/wave in my hair a few years ago so I have straight hair now (go figure, 30 years with curly/wavy hair then bam no more). I notice that I start to get the start of some curls on the ends if I no-poo for a while.

Optical Goddess
11-24-2010, 02:21 PM
My hair is shorter now than it is in the pic. It's short in the back, to my collar, a lil above..it's longer in the front. I have some pics of pixies I'm bringin' in to show my stylist. She's very honest and if she thinks it won't work I'll go w/ what she says. I know what I want it to look like but am not sure how to describe it...

Eliana
11-24-2010, 02:27 PM
I learned about this method here and have been using it since last January. I condition while scrubbing/massaging my scalp with my finger tips (not nails). It works just fine.

I did not notice any difference until I shampooed it once. Then it was dry and brittle, like it used to be. I think transformation into frizz free hair was so gradual I didn't notice it.

My hair dresser does not think it's a good idea and said I have a lot of dandruff. I do, but I remove it every time I wash with a good scrub. You can't see the dandruff and it doesn't fall off onto my shoulders. I don't know. I don't think my dandruff is any worse than it ever is.

westernsoutherngirl
11-24-2010, 04:49 PM
I just started using the Devacurl/Devacare system which has no poo and loo poo options. I have been fighting my curls my whole life and just decided to stop it!!!! I love how my curls look using these products (altho I much prefer the fragrance of the Devacare side of the line). BUT I do feel like I need to wash with shampoo about once a week so then I use a sulfate-free shampoo - need that good cleaning once a week to make my scalp feel better. Told myself I would give it 3 weeks going curly and then re-evaluate. I just finished week 2 and so far so good!

nelie
11-24-2010, 04:57 PM
westernsoutherngirl - have you tried baking soda? That is how I no poo and definitely gets my hair/scalp clean.

So I didn't know there were commercial no-poo products.

What I do is this -
Mix 1 tbsp or so of baking soda in a little water. Enough to make it pasty. Wet hair, rub it in good, massage scalp, then comb with comb. I let it sit while I'm doing other shower activities.

I then rinse it out, scrubbing scalp as I do so. Then I take the tea I made (and cooled), dilute it with a couple cups of water and slowly pour it on my head. I massage my hair a bit. Let it sit for a few moments as I'm finishing up my shower. Then I rinse the tea out and get out of the shower.

Then that is it.

Nola Celeste
11-24-2010, 06:05 PM
I occasionally give my hair a conditioner-only wash. My hair is wavy, waist-length, and color-treated (I think of it not as a dye job, but as doing for my hair what high-def does for television :D ), so it doesn't tolerate overly zealous scrubbing on a regular basis. CO washing gives my hair a lot of shine and makes it feel really silky, yet still completely clean. I'm a huge fan of it.

I used to do it more often, but found that over time, conditioners seemed to build up and leave my hair looking a little lank, as it's pretty fine-textured; this happened whether I was using 'cones or no 'cones. Now I use shampoo about 70% of the time and CO the other 30%.

westernsoutherngirl
11-24-2010, 09:06 PM
So Nelie - do you do the baking soda thing followed by the tea rinse every day?

I can see that a baking soda scrub would freshen things up nicely. Might try that.

And would definitely be cheaper - the Deva people are very proud of their products price wise!

krampus
11-24-2010, 10:06 PM
Interesting. I have super straight, dry dyed hair so I'm pretty sure I would look like I had greasy bangs constantly if I no-pooed. I may try it in the coming weeks though.

AR4life
11-24-2010, 10:14 PM
I did try the no poo method for a while but with long straight hair I found it to be greasy. I hate greasy hair :(

I also have Nola Celeste's " (I think of it not as a dye job, but as doing for my hair what high-def does for television )" look in highlights so am careful. lol

I may give the baking soda scrub a try though :)

westernsoutherngirl
11-24-2010, 10:18 PM
Oh yeah, and that is a question is it okay for "color treated" hair! Like others have said I have those enhancements - color and highlights because I don't ever ever want to know how much grey is really up there! :)

nelie
11-24-2010, 10:32 PM
From what I've heard, baking soda doesn't strip your hair so yes, it shouldn't mess with the color.

I don't do baking soda every day and the longer you do it, the longer you can go without. Like the first week, I might do it every other day, then every 3 days, then every 4 days, etc. I kind of assess my hair and go by that.

Also, there are different rinses that I've heard:
For darker hair - use black tea
For lighter hair - use lemon juice
For any color hair - use apple cider vinegar

I find apple cider vinegar to be difficult to use though because it is super moisturizing which means a little goes a long way. At first, I did the recommended 1 tsp of ACV and found my hair to be greasy. Since then if I use ACV, I just dilute a few drops in water. Some people love it though.

Nola Celeste
11-24-2010, 11:05 PM
I think the secret to a conditioner wash that leaves hair glorious instead of greasy-looking is letting it soak for a little bit--five or even ten minutes. Conditioner has some surfactants too, just in smaller amounts than shampoo, so letting it sit on the hair shaft for a while and really giving the scalp a good fingertip-scrub as you rinse makes it wash out cleanly.

I was shocked at how my hair turned out the first time I tried it--was afraid I'd look like someone had just cleaned a busy restaurant's grease trap out with my head--but instead my hair was just super-soft and shiny. Everyone's hair is different, though, so I can totally understand waiting for a weekend spent at home to try it. :D

katy trail
11-25-2010, 12:06 AM
i find this all really interesting :)
awhile ago i tried the bakingsoda scrub. i think i mixed it w/shampoo though. i liked it. i think i wash about every 2 or 3 days, very oily hair. wavy, but almost straight when i brush it. i don't use conditioner often. i guess its good for the ends, but once i brush it, the scalp needs to be washed so much sooner.
i'm seriously considering getting highlights done, or doing a home kit to help dry out the roots a bit. maybe a redish color or lighter brown. my hair is very dark brown, almost black.

i still haven't gone to get my hair cut. really looking forward to that. i look like a different person now.

it's surprising a vinegar could be moisturizing? its soposed to be a really good aspringent, but my skin doesn't need anymore 'moisture' lol. the oil slick i get sometimes, puhleeez lol. asprin scrub helps alot. best remedy for acne ever.

nelie
11-25-2010, 12:10 AM
katy - reason I started no-pooing was because my hair started to get greasy. Before, I could wash my hair every other day and be fine even if I had to go to a 3rd day of no washing. Then it got to a point where my hair would get greasy by the end of the 2nd day so I started washing every other day which wasn't good then it started to get greasy on the same day. So I tried no-pooing out of desperation. After I did, my hair became less greasy and even when I don't no-poo, I can go 2-3 days without washing.

Serval87
11-25-2010, 06:18 AM
I have thick, thigh-length hair that has some breakage, but my hair has a bit of tug to it before it breaks like elastic. It doesn't always look so great, though, so I was either thinking of going with a natural shampoo/conditioner or trying the no-poo. Maybe it will get rid of some of the tangles and breakage. But I also have really bad dandruff, so I don't know what would work better.

yhahmd
11-25-2010, 03:13 PM
I'm really surprised to see that so many people responded. When I've brought it up in the past (taught me not to bring it up, just like 3FC), I was met with TONS of negative comments: "you don't bathe but twice a week?" NO, I didn't say that... "that's so gross, then you aren't washing any of the crud out of your hair. Conditioner doesn't clean." etc, etc.

But come to find lots of people do it, or are interested in it.

What about henna, does anyone here henna? I've been wanting to try it. My mom uses silver to gold for her hair, and that's henna I do believe (I could be wrong, she's only used it twice).

mkendrick
11-25-2010, 04:05 PM
Wow, this is really interesting :)

What brands of conditioner do you guys use?

I have waist-length straight hair that is medium thickness. It's fairly dry and limp and lackluster and pathetic.

I don't wash my hair everyday, but when I do, it's always shampoo and conditioner. My hair lady, who I swear is magic, suggested that I rub conditioner in it while it's dry and let it sit for about 10 minutes and then wash it out with lukewarm to cool water about once a week. She said the conditioner on dry hair would feel GROSS, but it would help. When hair is wet, it's already saturated, so the conditioner just sits on the surface and isn't completely absorbed. When it's dry, it can soak up all the conditioner. I'd like to try it, I just haven't gotten brave enough yet, hehe.

jess jp
11-25-2010, 04:14 PM
i use henna....and i love it. all henna makes blonde hair dark red and can give darker hair a reddish sheen-especially in the sun. cassia obovata is for any hair color and will make gray hair blonde-like but will not stain other colors of hair-it's mostly for a deep conditioning treatment and will make your hair shiny and healthy. indigo goes on top of all henna to make hair dark! you can also mix henna: cassia and henna can be mixed in ratios to make hair strawberry red to darker, henna and indigo can make hair brown in the right ratios.
i am a former dark blonde and i use all henna-see my avatar. it has made my hair shiny, healthy and heavy. i've been doing it for 2 months. it is a stain i mix with orange juice and olive oil and use it to do my hair all-over about once every month and a half and i do roots every 3 weeks. if you want more info just ask...
best of all? no chemicals. it is healthy for hair!
www.hennaforhair.com

Ive Had Enough
11-25-2010, 04:21 PM
I have really long, straight hair and sometimes don't wash it at all for 2-3 days (in the shower I just pin it up so it doesn't get wet). It always looks the best on day 2 and still looks good on day 3 as long as I'm not running my fingers through it constantly, getting it greasy. When I wash it, I use a dandruff shampoo and conditioner. I've never tried just conditioner before.

I just ordered henna to dye my hair with. Trying to limit the chemicals in my life (however, I am getting professional highlights done next week as part of a package I bought at a salon). I'll probably bust out the henna around Christmas.

yhahmd
11-25-2010, 04:26 PM
Wow, this is really interesting :)

What brands of conditioner do you guys use?

I have waist-length straight hair that is medium thickness. It's fairly dry and limp and lackluster and pathetic.

I don't wash my hair everyday, but when I do, it's always shampoo and conditioner. My hair lady, who I swear is magic, suggested that I rub conditioner in it while it's dry and let it sit for about 10 minutes and then wash it out with lukewarm to cool water about once a week. She said the conditioner on dry hair would feel GROSS, but it would help. When hair is wet, it's already saturated, so the conditioner just sits on the surface and isn't completely absorbed. When it's dry, it can soak up all the conditioner. I'd like to try it, I just haven't gotten brave enough yet, hehe.


I've heard some of the best to use are cheap ones- vo5, suave, etc. I use both, but am looking into getting one specifically for curly hair.

I've done what your hair lady said, and it works WONDERS. I mix up a big pot of conditioner, aloe vera (NOT the green stuff, the clear stuff), honey, and EVOO (or just conditioner if I'm not feeling that fancy), slather it on, braid my hair and clip it up. You can leave it for 10 minutes, 10 hours, even overnight.

But since it's so messy and feels pretty gross on dry hair, I don't do it as often.

yhahmd
11-25-2010, 04:27 PM
i use henna....and i love it. all henna makes blonde hair dark red and can give darker hair a reddish sheen-especially in the sun. cassia obovata is for any hair color and will make gray hair blonde-like but will not stain other colors of hair-it's mostly for a deep conditioning treatment and will make your hair shiny and healthy. indigo goes on top of all henna to make hair dark! you can also mix henna: cassia and henna can be mixed in ratios to make hair strawberry red to darker, henna and indigo can make hair brown in the right ratios.
i am a former dark blonde and i use all henna-see my avatar. it has made my hair shiny, healthy and heavy. i've been doing it for 2 months. it is a stain i mix with orange juice and olive oil and use it to do my hair all-over about once every month and a half and i do roots every 3 weeks. if you want more info just ask...
best of all? no chemicals. it is healthy for hair!
www.hennaforhair.com

I currently let mine go natural aside from some highlights a friend talked me into, but I really want to try henna to get back to my red color. I miss it so! Yours looks great btw. And thanks for the site :D

nelie
11-25-2010, 11:29 PM
I noticed my hair was feeling a bit limp this morning so I no-poo'd it today. It perked right back up.

gardenerjoy
11-26-2010, 10:27 AM
I have short curly hair. For about a year now, I've been washing my hair with conditioner. I only use a low-poo if my hair seems oily, which is rare. I'm using the Devacurl products that my stylist recommended.

I have psoriasis and I think the conditioner-only method has improved my condition. Also, once a week or so, I use a steroid oil subscribed by a dermatologist, Derma-Smoothe. I have to use the low-poo after that to get it out!

I also highly recommend that if you have curly hair that you go to a curly hair specialist. A good curly cut has made a huge difference for me.

losermom
11-26-2010, 11:28 AM
I have very thick, straighter than straight, color treated hair that is on the dryer side. I poo my hair 2x a week. It looks best on the 3rd day after a poo. After I poo, I slick about a quarter size dollop of conditioner through my ends. I rarely blow dry--I go to bed with it wet (I'm lazy). I do use hair spray in the crown area only for extension/height once, maybe twice between poos. I love the Suave Professional conditioner (Humectant?), it's in a big white bottle. Sometimes I will slather alot of conditioner on and pop a plastic shower cap for about an hour or so. What's weird is that the more often I poo the greasier my hair becomes. I used to poo every other day while in my 20s & 30s, but poo less and less. My gf and I are always joking about how long we can go without a poo. :)