Faith Based Support Groups - The Secret to losing weight naturally, and for good!




Kelli
11-16-2010, 01:05 AM
God is so good, He has shown me that it's not the overeating that makes one fat, it is the obsession with dieting.

Dieting, counting calories, carbs, weighing my food, making list about what I eat... All of it, creates an unnatural desire for forbidden fruit. When I tell myself, "I will not eat that candy bar", my thoughts naturally focus on the thing of my desire, and that's all I can think about.

I didn't start to have a problem with food, until I started dieting. That is the whole secret. The sooner you stop dieting, thinking about being thin, thinking your fat... the sooner you will stop being obsessed with food, and you will stop gaining weight.

Here is how you do it, it's simple, every time you think about weight or related topics, just capture your thoughts. Think about something else, your obsession will subside, and you will naturally lose weight, without any effort.

Jesus, says all over the new testament that we are not supposed to be caught up in rules, in fact he specifically says "diet rules" and yet we feel righteous when we are being "good" on our diets. We are all doing exactly what the pharisees did. Telling each other about our diet, asking them about their diet, feeling judged when we are not being "good"... WE ARE FREE!


Nebuchadnezzar
11-16-2010, 04:14 AM
Well, I am an Atheist but this is a valid point. Just be good, free and roll with it right? I still say its less about fad diets or dieting at all, but calorie counting has helped me. Some of us have such bad habits or psychological issues with food that we need to stay accountable and feel proud of our progress or that we tried at all. But like you I stay away from diets and focus on lifestyle change, wellness and wholeness.

But if this works for you, I applaud it completely! <3

Kelli
11-16-2010, 09:01 AM
Hi Nebuchadnezzar, that is an interesting name... Thank you for your compliment, but I didn't just come up with on my own. The Bible is full of dieting advice, that is just as relevant for today, as it was in ancient times. Such as... Hebrews 13:8-9 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.


Bootsie
11-16-2010, 12:35 PM
Hi Kelli, like always girl I am so glad your back, please stay! I been looking into this more Kelli and I totally agree with you but it is so hard to let go of the habit of diet. I have been dieting all my life since I was 11 years old and it is so hard not to count my calories or eat what I want when I feel guilty eating it. How do you stop dieting so easy and loose? How do you capture what your thinking on dieting so easy for it is not easy thing to do for me?

Justwant2Bhealthy
11-16-2010, 07:15 PM
HI KELLI ~ nice to have you drop by again -- I do agree with your philosophy in that we must be careful not to obsess about what we eat or drink or wear, as JESUS said in the bible in Matthew 6:25. That scripture is one of my favorites and I remind myself of it often.

However, I am MINDFUL to eat healthy, wholesome foods that are good for my body. For a while now, I have just been eating three healthy meals and a few small snacks; but just choosing nutrient-rich, whole foods.

For me, if I am not at least mindful of what I choose to eat, then I eat things that cause me to gain weight. I do think there is a big difference between being MINDFUL and obsessing though. Our spiritual health should be our #1 priority, and then we do need to take care of ourselves, our families, etc the best we can.

It is true that so many people believe the only way to live a healthy lifestyle is to "diet" (as in denying ourselves food in some way), but I think that is incorrect ...

I am reading a book right now that says we don't need to diet or starve ourselves; obsess about our bodies or exercise like maniacs, etc in order to get healthy again. I love this book called "Win the Food Fight" by Sam Grossman, as it calls for us just to eat natural, healthy foods, in moderation -- no calorie-counting, no measuring, no special foods, etc.

It is funny that he and those who have studied him and his lifestyle, believe that Sam also has found The Secret to losing weight naturally, and for good too ... as it says in the book. :lol:

I really like this way of living: it's simple, easy, uncomplicated, economical, and just plain healthy ... :D

Kelli
11-16-2010, 09:08 PM
Hey you guys!! I missed you so much too! Rosebud, I think that I had become so obsessed with dieting and measuring myself by Hollywood standards that God had to take me on a journey of letting go. At first I did gain about 20 lbs, but then it stopped. I still have to capture my thoughts, when they turn to dieting, and comparing myself to others. How I capture my thoughts Bootsie, is whenever I think the diet, calorie, I am fat... thoughts. I immediately change my thought. I say in my head or out-loud if I am alone, "II Corinthians 10:3-6 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,"

When Gary wrote that post about being only able to think one thought at a time, that really was a revelation for me, and helped me so much!

Rosebud, you probably are not as obsessed as I was, but I know there are others out there who are as addicted as I was... Not to food, but to dieting.

By the way Rosebud, you were right when you gave me the advice about my Bible study. Do you remember when you told me that I was wrong about "communing with demons" (It was right after my pecan pie story) Anyway, God has shown me, that once I give my weight loss to Him, he will give me a new heart. He is the one that will supply the faith I need, when it is time. I am not idol worshiping if I can't stop overeating... I am hurting. I love God, I wouldn't Idol worship. It took a long time for me to let go of the guilt and condemnation that Satan has used against me. I am in the process of rewriting it to be even more grace based.

I haven't been here for so long because I started to be a stumbling block for me. It was hard to keep my mind off of the things that were tripping me up... I am so glad to talk to you guys again!

Love, Kelli

Bootsie
11-16-2010, 09:30 PM
Kelli when we hit stumbling blocks that is when we need each other the most. You hit that stumbling block because of all, God knew you would reach out and show us, how to over come it too when we hit it. I have hit it Kelli, I am tired of dieting but I am addicted to it also. There is no way I can remember all of that but I can remember one thing, to know God is to have self - control . I truly want to know him better, not to loose weight but to just know him better.

kerielaine
11-16-2010, 09:38 PM
I'm a believer and I'm not sure I agree with you. God speaks to people differently though. We were all made different for a reason. I don't feel like I'm obsessing with my weight by eating a healthier diet. My method is not as extreme though as other people's methods of weight loss. I have lost 60lbs so far without counting a single calorie or starving myself. 8 months ago I decided to become a vegetarian, limit sugar and limit fatty foods. 3 months ago I became a vegan because dairy was making me sick (I'm most likely lactose intolerant) and I cut out eggs because they were starting to gross me out. I've never been a big fan of meat anyway so turning vegan was not hard at all.

God does tell us to have self control. As long as we have control of our diet (by not overeating or starving ourselves) then that is the best way to go about it. I've focused on foods that God made. I've really tried to cut out a lot of processed foods because really, the fruit, veggies, nuts, whole grains and lentils He's made are perfectly nutritious. :)

Justwant2Bhealthy
11-16-2010, 09:45 PM
:hug:KELLI ~ there was a time when I did slip into that; and the LORD helped me nip that in the bud, so2speak ... :lol: ... obsessing about my weight and dieting (when I was in my twenties). We all can slip into that if we are not careful. Then I went through a "jaded" time; and a "not being mindful enough time" ... where I gained a lot of weight ... but sometimes, I think that I may have dieted myself right into obesity ...

Oh, the flesh is so weak ... so we have to be careful & mindful at least a little bit; but as JESUS said in 2 Corinthians 12:9, "... my strength is made perfect in weakness." We have to keep our focus on GOD first -- out of that will flow the healing we need for our body, minds, and souls ...

"II Corinthians 10:3-6 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,"


That scripture would be a good one for the EMOTIONAL THREAD about how we think ... Indeed, we need to capture our thoughts and replace them with positive thoughts from the Word -- that can help us to heal and overcome many things in this life!

We are a constant "work in progress" aren't we, Kelli? We all are ... :hug:


KERIELAINE ~ I have some same issues as you; I had to cut down my dairy for the same reasons. I was just thinking about what you said; some of us can't eat lots of sugar, dairy, or high-fat foods; they make our bodies sick, so we have to be mindful of what we eat to some degree.

I lost my weight on the simple plan I shared above using portions only (no calorie counting). I started that for awhile but abandoned it, as it wasn't making any difference for me. I'm back to where I started and it's working for me, so why change it?

My main goal is to be healthier, and if I lose weight during the process, that will only make me healthier; and visa-versa. Your whole post is very good ... :)

Kelli
11-16-2010, 10:02 PM
Aint that the truth Rose Bud.

kerielaine, Please, please don't let what I am saying trip you up. I don't mean that anybody should just go insane and eat anything they want. What I am saying is that maybe we need to look at this differently.

For those of us who have been on this stupid roller coaster for so many years, and are so sick of dieting and worrying and thinking about what we look like... how would it feel to give up dieting all together??? Have you tried giving up dieting and without feeling guilty?

I know it goes against everything the WORLD tells us, but the things of God usually do. The more you try to abstain from something the more obsessed you become it's like a forbidden fruit. The Bible even talks about that. The following scripture is long but it perfectly illustrates what we have been doing with all our diet rules.

This is a long scripture, but worth it!!

Romans 7: 4-6 (The message) So, my friends, this is something like what has taken place with you. When Christ died he took that entire rule-dominated way of life down with him and left it in the tomb, leaving you free to "marry" a resurrection life and bear "offspring" of faith for God. For as long as we lived that old way of life, doing whatever we felt we could get away with, sin was calling most of the shots as the old law code hemmed us in. And this made us all the more rebellious. In the end, all we had to show for it was miscarriages and stillbirths. But now that we're no longer shackled to that domineering mate of sin, and out from under all those oppressive regulations and fine print, we're free to live a new life in the freedom of God.

7 But I can hear you say, "If the law code was as bad as all that, it's no better than sin itself." That's certainly not true. The law code had a perfectly legitimate function. Without its clear guidelines for right and wrong, moral behavior would be mostly guesswork. Apart from the succinct, surgical command, "You shall not covet," I could have dressed covetousness up to look like a virtue and ruined my life with it.

8-12 Don't you remember how it was? I do, perfectly well. The law code started out as an excellent piece of work. What happened, though, was that sin found a way to pervert the command into a temptation, making a piece of "forbidden fruit" out of it. The law code, instead of being used to guide me, was used to seduce me. WITHOUT ALL THE PARAPHERNALIA OF THE LAW CODE, SIN LOOKED PRETTY DULL AND LIFELESS,

*(MY Note here, this is what food has started to become to me... Dull and lifeless)

and I went along without paying much attention to it. But once sin got its hands on the law code and decked itself out in all that finery, I was fooled, and fell for it. The very command that was supposed to guide me into life was cleverly used to trip me up, throwing me headlong. So sin was plenty alive, and I was stone dead. But the law code itself is God's good and common sense, each command sane and holy counsel.

13 I can already hear your next question: "Does that mean I can't even trust what is good [that is, the law]? Is good just as dangerous as evil?” No again! Sin simply did what sin is so famous for doing: using the good as a cover to tempt me to do what would finally destroy me. By hiding within God's good commandment, sin did far more mischief than it could ever have accomplished on its own.

14-16 I can anticipate the response that is coming: "I know that all God's commands are spiritual, but I'm not. Isn't this also your experience?” Yes. I'm full of myself—after all, I've spent a long time in sin's prison. What I don't understand about myself is that I decide one way, but then I act another, doing things I absolutely despise. So if I can't be trusted to figure out what is best for myself and then do it, it becomes obvious that God's command is necessary.

17-20 But I need something more! For if I know the law but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway. My decisions, such as they are, don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within me and gets the better of me every time.

21-23 It happens so regularly that it's predictable. The moment I decide to do good, sin is there to trip me up. I truly delight in God's commands, but it's pretty obvious that not all of me joins in that delight. Parts of me covertly rebel, and just when I least expect it, they take charge.

24 I've tried everything and nothing helps. I'm at the end of my rope. Is there no one who can do anything for me? Isn't that the real question?

25 The answer, thank God, is that Jesus Christ can and does. He acted to set things right in this life of contradictions where I want to serve God with all my heart and mind, but am pulled by the influence of sin to do something totally different.


I really believe that we have been going about this all wrong. We need to stop the dieting and worrying about food and our weight. Capture our thoughts by using scripture, then the obsession will go away and we will naturally lose weight. You say you have tried everything... take a year and do this, what is there to lose. Pray about it. Ask God to show you the truth. How will that feel to be totally free of food... calories, weight, dieting, all the stuff that we become so occupied with. How will it feel for food to become DULL AND LIFELESS!!!

I feel like this is a promise and I am going to claim it. That God will make food, dull and lifeless.

Bootsie
11-16-2010, 10:09 PM
Kerielaine how awesome, 60 pounds, in 8 months!:carrot: You are so right we are all different. What might work for one may not work for another but thank God we have each other for support. I been giving up sugar and yeast because I feel so much better without it. I feel like I must be doing something right because I do feel better. I tried to drink some green tea with honey last night and it was just horrible to me. I love eating healthy foods and it makes me feel bad, not body wise but soul wise when I eat something I feel I should not eat. Maybe that is not a diet thing with me but God giving me guidance?

HE!HE! Kelli we must of posted at the same time. I will try, but like Kerielaine and Rosebud Kelli , yeast and sugar , well to me is like poison and I still will do with out them. My health has improved without them so much as for indigestion ect... I eat natural foods, but I think a-lot of my weight problem may be for I am going through menopause, and getting the old hen spread. I think I need more work on my soul than my body right now.

Kelli
11-16-2010, 11:56 PM
This thread makes me so sad! Every time I try to start a thread to discuss giving up dieting, I get a lot of replies about the diet of the week, and what you eat and don't eat.

I know it's scary, dieting is like a security blanket, but I know we all know that Jesus needs to be our security. If you don't agree with me, find me scripture to back it up. New testament scripture, under the new covenant. If you follow any of the dietary laws in the Old Testament, you have to follow all of them.

Hebrews 8:13 13 In that He says, “A new covenant, ” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Please pray, this may not be for you yet... don't worry about it. Just make sure you pray and ask God to reveal the truth for you personally.

I really feel like Jesus want's all of us to stop running after the flesh. I know so much of my time was spent on the latest diet, I wasted so many years, worrying about my body. Our body is not even close to as important as our spirit, in fact compared to our spirit our body can be thrown away. God says that if your hand causes your spirit problems, cut it off. If we all spend the time we spend on dieting, discussing diets, making list, watching food programs on TV, etc., and get busy doing the tasks God sent us here to do, we would stop thinking about food, and before you know it, it will become an annoyance at times.

I hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings, I speak from one who has suffered. It is not me to be so bold, God enables me, because I love you.

EZMONEY
11-17-2010, 12:04 AM
I really don't know what to say here. I am torn to even say anything because it no way shape or form do I want to hurt anyone here.

I wish we could all sit around my dining room table and have this conversation :hug:

Earlier today I decided to stay out of this thread so as not to upset my friend Kelli....but something she said has me thinking I need to share my thoughts on this matter.....and that is when she says she hopes someday for food to become dull and lifeless

I will try very hard to be brief here as so much is going through my head right now :)

First I am so happy Kelli that you are reaching your goals and foremost that you are going through Christ. God reaches us in so many different ways :)

I "think" you are telling us not to "diet" because our focus then is not on Christ, it is in fact on the diet.

Our Lord has blessed us with common sense, resources and knowledge. Just as we seek Him, if we are true to his WORD, our knowledge with diets and nutrition will become clearer.

I feel our Lord wants us to have healthy "diets"....healthy eating habits. He provides those options to us.

Unfortunately, many times, we fail at eating healthy....we fail ourselves, parents fail us, our government fails us. we find ourselves running to junk and away from healthy foods.

Just as we do in life...we run away from Jesus sometimes to "life"...the junk in life.

Jesus feeds us with His WORD....Jesus feeds us with blessings of food He has given us.

If we take God's WORD and ask Him for understanding, as we study and seek, we will receive blessings beyond our imagination...however, if one takes God's WORD and then adds a bunch of stuff to it....things that people claim they were told...and only them...then you have junk!

If you take an apple from a tree grown with water and sunshine, you will have a very special treat.....however, if you take that apple, cut it into pieces, add a bunch of chemicals and put it into a crisp on a TV dinner then you probably will have junk!

Many people have come here and lost weight that don't know Christ. Many more have come here and did not lose weight.....some of them do know Jesus as their Savior.

My personal feeling on this is that God wants us to eat healthy....to be the best we can be in body and spirit to share the Message He commands us to.

I am not a fan of folks dieting...I do think you have a point that people become preoccupied with the "rules" of dieting.

For some of those counting calories helps, others find giving up sugar works, so many different ways.

I think if a person lost weight in a healthy way that God would want them to share that with others. He created us all different and unique.

He wants us to interact and share our experiences with others...at the same time giving Him the GLORY...because, as Christians we know ALL good comes from Him and only Him.

Kelli, God wants us to focus on Him as He leads and guides us on our journey to better health and eating habits...but at the same time we need to use His resources and share with others....

I may be wrong...I am a lot of the time ;) but I really-REALLY feel God wants us to love food....to appreciate the gift of it...the times we have sharing and breaking bread with others.

The washing of Jesus feet....the feeding of the people with loaves of bread and fish....The Last Supper....manna from heaven....

all of those events God blessed those present with food.....

Nothing dull and lifeless about those events....

I am sure He doesn't want you to feel food as such.....God wants us to "feel" and enjoy all HIS blessings....

in moderation of course! ;) :hug:

Kelli
11-17-2010, 12:44 AM
Hi Gary!

Do you have scripture to back that up???

I am sorry, and this may not be for you, I am really talking to those who are addicted to dieting. They are the ones who were like me, dieting themselves to death. Frantically dieting finding no peace whatsoever. We all respect your opinion so much. I do, you have helped me immensely, but this is too important to not ask you to please back up your claims with scripture.

Kelli
11-17-2010, 12:50 AM
Oh by the way, sorry I didn't address this in the last post, but you talked about food being joyful, it is... when you have a healthy relationship with the food. Which God will give you when you let go and let him have control of your eating. Did you read the scripture verse I put in the post you are talking about? The one that talks about sin becoming dull and lifeless. That's what I was talking about. The "sin" being unhealthy eating.

Love you brother, and am so very glad we are having this dialogue. The worst thing it could do is get us all looking in the Word... :carrot:

kaplods
11-17-2010, 01:06 AM
Although I am disagreeing with you, I do not mean this harshly. This is just my understanding and interpretation of the topic.

I think you have found a way, but I don't think you've found the one and only way (not even for all Christians).

As you said, "Jesus, says all over the new testament that we are not supposed to be caught up in the rule of law," but that doesn't mean we're obligated to break any of the rules/laws (either religious or mundane). If rules make your life easier, you're perfectly allowed to follow them (as long as you're not overblowing the significance of the rules, or considering yourself morally superior to those who aren't).

Many early Christians did, and some modern Christians do continue to keep the dietary laws. Some argue that while all food is allowed, that not all food is healthy and wholesome and that God's original laws did and do serve a higher purpose. That God wasn't telling us what we HAD to eat, but was telling us what we SHOULD eat, so there may be health advantages to following the old law, at least more often than not.

Science even backs some of this up. Following the "old laws" do (even today) significantly decrease the liklihood of foodborn illness (which was even more true before modern sanitation and cooking practices). A Christian isn't obligated to eat pork and shellfish, but pork and shellfish even today are more likely than beef and other old-law foods to carry potentially harmful illness.

Also for some people, even some of us Christian people, the structure of a food plan (a diet), allows us to obsess LESS about food, so a diet can help us give food it's proper attention, and no less or more.

For myself, I lived as you suggest for many years (some of those years as a practicing Christian, and some of those years were during times when I wasn't living my faith). Whether I was in Christ or not, "not dieting" did allow me to stop gaining weight, but it didn't allow me to lose weight. It was a peaceful way to live, not letting food control my every thought. Dealing with food only when hungry, and trying most of the time to choosing healthy foods as close to God's creation as possible, but doing so allowed me to maintain, not lose. To lose, I had to restrict my food intake, and to do that I had to know what I was taking in.

Calorie/food intake monitoring is not inherently incompatible with Christian doctrine. The Christian program FirstPlace4Health uses an exchange based program, and focuses on putting Christ first, using a biblical approach to weight loss and overall health management. The "diet plan" doesn't prevent people from doing just that.

http://www.firstplace4health.com/about/

I couldn't find a FirstPlace group in my area, so I chose a TOPS group (which although it's a secular program, also encourages an exchange plan). I'm diabetic, and my doctor also recommended an exchange plan.

I believe in callings, and different people are called in different directions. I believe in gifts, and people are given different gifts, and God asks us to use those gifts in service. How we use those gifts, and how we balance the secular and sacred is not a one-size-fits-all endeavor. It comes in many shapes, sizes, and flavors.

Kelli
11-17-2010, 01:35 AM
That is so great that restricting your food has helped you to lose weight, however most people who diet, or restrict what type of food they eat, will fail. This creates a strong desire for the restricted food, so they eat too much of the restricted food, knowing that when they start to diet again they may never get another chance to eat that food. Also, if what you are saying is true, can you explain what this Scripture means.

Hebrews 13:8-9 (New King James Version)

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

Especially the part that says Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

the definition of Occupied is, to engage or employ the mind, energy, or attention of...

Really, I am not talking to everybody here, but there are people who are compulsive dieters. (I was one of those) If you are not one, I am not talking to you. If you are... In the last ten years, God has given me an amazing amount of Scriptures and I would love to share them with anyone who would like freedom from dieting, and food issues through Christ.

Bootsie
11-17-2010, 01:55 AM
I to was in First Place, in a group and on line and I loved it, still do. The women are awesome. Kelli I am so sorry I think I upset you, please forgive me, but I must go with what works for me. Corinthians 9: 24-27,Corinthians 8:12-13, Romans 14 : 12-23. I love Jesus Kelli too, and I give him all the Glory for what weight I have lost and kept off, that is 60 pounds and I have kept it off for 10 years with his help. There is one scripture I truly hold close to my heart and that is Corinthians 10, verse 31.Kelli, is not it more important to be there for each other and build each other up and not tear apart the work of God , for what we eat? Romans 14 verse 20 With my Christian Love Bootsie

Kelli
11-17-2010, 02:10 AM
Bootsie, you didn't hurt my feelings at all! And you go with what God tells you to do. However, I am not sure if you were saying that I am tearing apart the work of God for the sake of food??? Like I said, I am just talking to those who are habitual dieters. Those who are like I was, I would try a new diet, have some success, then fail, then start all over with the latest diet. It was an unhealthy cycle.

Bootsie, but please don't go with how you feel, God says in the Bible that Satan can give you feelings (can't find the reference tonight, I will find it tomorrow). You like Joyce Meyers, she talks about how Satan always works in your emotions, and God always works in your brain.

Pray about it, ask God if dieting is taking too much of your time. I know this is a radical idea that doesn't go along with what the world has preached to us. But the Bible has always been contrary to the world. I am not saying go crazy and eat all you want to eat. I am saying, don't worry about what you eat, pray before you eat, ask God to stop you from overeating, and have faith that He will, then... and here is the hard part, trust Him.

kaplods
11-17-2010, 02:27 AM
Actually I was a compulsive dieter. I was put on my first diet at 5, and spent most of my life on the diet rollercoaster. I've learned that food doesn't come first as long as I'm using my foodplan and avoiding overindulging in "addictive" foods (just as I avoid overindulging in alcohol and other seductively addictive behaviors). Where food is concerned, my food plan just helps me decide whether or not I'm overindulging.

As to Hebrews 13:8-9, I am not a biblical scholar, but it's my understanding that this passage is very specifically talking about religious food observances, both the "old law" of the Old Testament, and pagan food rituals, such as foods being offered to idols and then consumed by devout followers of the particular religion. The issue is muddying Christian religious beliefs, by adopting the religious practices of Jews and pagans in terms of food rituals out of superstition or partial-belief in the religion. It's reminding us that there's no value to be gained by following non-Christian religious/ceremonial food practices.



Modern translations make this more clear such as in

(New International Version)
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by eating ceremonial foods, which is of no benefit to those who do so.

(Good News Translation)
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not let all kinds of strange teachings lead you from the right way. It is good to receive inner strength from God's grace, and not by obeying rules about foods; those who obey these rules have not been helped by them.




To me it seems very clear that this Scripture applies only to religious food observances, not to diet for health or weight loss (unless you make health or weight loss YOUR RELIGION). Only you can determine, with God's grace whether you have elevated your food "rules" to that position in your life. If you had to choose between God and your food rules, would you choose your food rules? If you can say "of course not," then you're in the clear. If you would say "Gee, I'm not sure," then you have a problem.

Also, I think it's important that the emphasis in the scripture is that these practices are of no benefit to their practitioners. I understand that to mean "this is not doing for them (the people who believe in the food rituals), what they think it is" (that is benefiting their spiritual growth).

That doesn't mean it's doing physical harm to them (or necessarily spiritual harm). Rather the Scripture is reiterating that there is no spiritual merit to the food you take in. You do not spiritually benefit from food rituals (and it's fairly specific that the Scripture is talking about religious food rituals, not habits or secular food choices, it's only the religious food observances that are being talked about).

That's my understanding. You may find it helpful to talk to a pastor who has studied Scripture in the original Koine Greek. Our church has had some amazing bible studies discussing Scriptures that are difficult to understand without understanding the original language of the Scriptures. Sometimes the culture of the time is needed to understand the Scripture too. It's very clear (to me) that the first century apostles were not discussing weight loss diets with new Christians. I'm not saying that bible passages can't speak to modern situations which were not a concern to early Christians, but I do believe that stretching the message to specifically fit modern issues in a different way than was intended in the original is, well a stretch.

Since it is clear (to me) that the original was talking about Judaic and pagan religious food ceremonies and rituals, it also seems clear to me that to say that in the modern world it means dieting (and not religious observances from non-Christian religions) would be a huge, and illogical leap. If you've elevated your diet to a religion (and some people do) that's a problem, but it's because you've replaced Christ with the diet. You can follow Christ and follow a diet, just as you can follow Christ and be a sports-team fan. If you love food more than Christ, or if you love football more than Christ, then you've got a problem. If you're on SouthBeach and watch the Packers game, that doesn't mean you're not following Christ.

Kelli
11-17-2010, 03:02 AM
You didn't explain the part that says, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever"

EZMONEY
11-17-2010, 09:20 AM
Kelli, I apologize....I misunderstood you (I think)...I was assuming you wanted food to be dull and lifeless forever....

Also, (I think) we all thought that your thoughts on this were the ONLY way at first....(I think) you cleared that up.

I do have scripture and commentary on a couple of things you mentioned that I would like to share. As it will take me time to write it out I will share it later today.

GREAT COMMENTS EVERYONE!! Keep them coming....Peace be with you!

EZMONEY
11-17-2010, 10:25 AM
You didn't explain the part that says, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever"

I found this last night on our church (LCMS) website.....I think you can change the word hymn to diet and get pretty much the same message.

Why Learn New Hymns? (Part 1)


By Rev. Dr. Paul Grime

Part One of Three Parts

Part 1: Why change?

Change and decay in all around I see.
O Thou, who changest not, abide with me!
(LW 490:2; TLH 552:2)

Only the spiritually blind can deny the truth that we are surrounded by change and decay. Let's consider the second one first.

Decay
Decay is all around us. Put a new car on the road, and it isn't long before it loses its pristine condition: A chip in the windshield, a bit of rust on the door, a noisy muffler. Or build a new house, and see how long before it requires maintenance. Everything in this life will eventually wear out or decay. Most of our possessions will go the way of the junk heap, and our bodies will one day return to the dust and ashes from whence they came.

In response to this rather sobering reality, the triune God enters our decaying world with a message of hope. The few times that the word "decay" is used in the Scriptures, it has one of two meanings. The first is the common understanding that we've been considering? things decay and fall apart.

The second use of that word, however, is the complete opposite. In his Pentecost sermon, the apostle Peter made very clear the following point concerning the crucified Christ: "His body did not see decay" (Acts 2:31). In His death and resurrection, Jesus provides the antidote to the decay of this sinful world. He overcame death and won the victory for us. That doesn't mean that we get to escape this decaying world; rather, with Job, we can confidently say, "I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end He will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God" (Job 19:25-26).

Change
We also said that change is all around us. Is that ever true! Have you ever sat down to balance your checkbook and suddenly realized that the bank has completely redesigned your bank statement. You were comfortable with the old design, and it worked fine for you. So why did someone at that bank find it necessary to make the change?

Or consider the fast-changing world of computers. It's simply taken for granted that when you buy a new computer, it's out-of-date before you leave the store. And just as soon as you become comfortable with a computer program, the manufacturer releases a new version that supposedly offers all kinds of improvements.

There are all kinds of change in our fast-paced world. Some are mostly cosmetic, like putting a new face on an old product. Quite often we adapt to change without even realizing it. Other times, however, change can be downright frustrating, especially when we don't know what's going on. Change can be scary, especially as the world around us goes faster and faster. And so we live with the fear that if we don't keep up, the world will pass us by.

Our Unchanging God
Change and decay in all around I see.
O Thou, who changest not, abide with me!

What does it mean that God doesn't change? And what does it mean to have a changeless God in such a fast-changing world?

In Malachi 3, God says, "I the Lord do not change. So you, O descendents of Jacob, are not destroyed." That was a tremendous word of hope that God gave to His people. These were the exiles who had returned from Babylon to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple. They had plenty of obstacles to overcome, including their own stubbornness. Yet, God repeated His covenant promise to them. As surely as it was true that God doesn't change, so was it equally true that He would not abandon them, but would keep His promise to be their God.

In the last chapter of the letter to the Hebrews, we hear the same assurance of God's changelessness: "Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" (Heb. 13:7ó8). Whether it was our grandparents, the Saxon Lutherans who came to this country and formed the Missouri Synod, or even Martin Luther, they all believed in and preached the same Christ. He has not changed, and He never will.

And that brings us to the heart of the matter: If God doesn't change, why should we? And more specifically, as the title of this essay asks: Why should we learn to sing new hymns?

New and fresh expressions of God's Word
Your pastor doesn't preach the same sermon every Sunday? at least you hope not! Rather, he brings the Word of God to you? freshly interpreted and applied. In his preparation, he wrestles with the biblical text, reflects on the current state of affairs in the community, the nation, and the world, and takes into consideration the many concerns of the members of the congregation. He doesn't preach a new truth every Sunday, but instead opens up the treasures of God's Word to show how it speaks to us in every situation in life. The truth doesn't change, but the expressions of it are beyond counting.

Consider this illustration. When a jeweler inspects a diamond, he holds it up to the light to see how the light refracts into a dazzling array of colors. As the jeweler peers in from different angles, the colors shift, revealing an ever-changing hue. It's the same jewel, no matter how you look at it. But it's a jewel that never ceases to amaze us and to entice us to look again and again to enjoy its beauty.

The Word of God is our jewel, and it is full of surprises. As pastors study that Word to preach on it, they uncover new insights that they share with us. The same is true of those who prepare Sunday School materials, devotions, and so forth. And the same goes for hymn writers. Through their craft of rhyme and meter, they put the Word of God into words that we can not only understand but also remember.

So why do we learn new hymns? For the same reason that we listen to new sermons or read newly written devotions. Through Christian poets, God is blessing His church with fresh expositions of His Word that call us to deeper reflection and devotion. Of course, not every hymn is of the same caliber. Some, in fact, are theologically incorrect or poetically inferior. For every good hymn, there are dozens that never make the cut.

kaplods
11-17-2010, 02:12 PM
You didn't explain the part that says, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever"

What he (EZMONEY) said LOL.

I didn't explain "that part" because I didn't realize that was what you were asking. To me it seemed the only part of Hebrews 13:8-9 that is self-explanatory and perfectly clear (to me). It just goes to show one of the challenges of bible study. Different people can't help but come up with different interpretations, because you bring yourself to bible study, and there's no way around that. You bring your experiences to the table, so to speak.

In my eyes, because the passage is talking about Christians drifting into Jewish and pagan practices (following the religious food practices around them), within that context, I believe "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever," is a reminder of the danger of allowing Christianity to morph into a hybrid religion. It's a very natural thing for people to do. In general, people find it easier to blend new beliefs with their old ones, rather than "convert." I think the passage is warning for Christians not to incorporate other religious beliefs and practices into Christianity.

It's a bigger challenge than it seems. Because it's such a natural impulse for people to incorporate the traditions of the people around them. Look at decorating and hiding eggs for Easter - originally a pagan custom. Taking the custom isn't un-Christian, but if we had taken the pagan meaning and incorporated it into Christianity, that would have been wrong. That the original meaning has been lost (except possibly to historians) means that we didn't incorporate the pagan religious significance of the egg into Christianity.




I like discussing Scripture, but after a while my head starts to hurt, because I do see so many ways to interpret them. It's why I don't often try to interpret Scripture entirely on my own. I'm too "creative" for my own good, and I can often come up with at least a dozen possible messages for some passages (some of them at odds with each other - they all can't possibly be equally true). That's why I like group bible studies better, especially if they're pastor-driven, because it's good to have some guidance form someone with theological training. I'm not saying I can't think on my own, but I've so often in the past felt "devinely inspired" by a passage only to realize later that I clearly had misinterpreted it. So it wasn't God speaking to me, it was my human ego (I AM NOT accusing you of this, just stating my own personal experience).

Bootsie
11-17-2010, 03:52 PM
Sorry Kelli, I thought you was upset with me because I was sticking with what was working for me; when you said :

This thread makes me so sad! Every time I try to start a thread to discuss giving up dieting, I get a lot of replies about the diet of the week, and what you eat and don't eat.

You wanted me to explain myselfI thought with scriptures from the Bible so that is what I tried to do, sorry for misunderstanding you. I get things backwards, sorry.

Kelli
11-17-2010, 08:49 PM
Hey All,

I must admit, I am a bit confused by your answer Gary, are you saying that it's okay to compulsively diet because it's like a... new hymn? Or a new sermon? Or are you saying that it's okay to explore new things, like letting go of the security blanket of dieting and just give it over to God.

Bootsie, I wasn't upset at anyone when I said it makes me sad that every time I start a thread every body starts telling me about their latest diet, (although looking back on how I worded that I can see why you would think that) I wasn't sad for me, I was sad because it seems like we are so in bondage to food and dieting. I love you! you are my sister. I have actually laughed out loud at some of the stories about your animals, you have the best personality ever, and I really think you need to write a book.

Kaplods, Hummm. I guess if you think that Hebrews 13:8-9 is only for the Old Testament laws and not for today, how do you pick and choose which ones were for the time they were written and which ones are for us today? You said
To me it seems very clear that this Scripture applies only to religious food observances, not to diet for health or weight loss (unless you make health or weight loss YOUR RELIGION). Only you can determine, with God's grace whether you have elevated your food "rules" to that position in your life. If you had to choose between God and your food rules, would you choose your food rules? If you can say "of course not," then you're in the clear. If you would say "Gee, I'm not sure," then you have a problem.


These are the people I am talking to, I was one of these people, I dieted compulsively, My weight and what I ate or did not eat was the first thing I thought of, when I woke up and the last thing I thought of when I went to sleep. It was always at the top of my brain. I was either depressed or happy, depending on what point of the diet, success, fail, cycle I was at. That is no way to live. So if this is not you, then don't worry about it, this thread is not for you, however... I am not saying you should stop posting. I just don't want you to worry that I am talking to you if this does not apply.

I am talking to those of you who are tired... so tired, Jesus loves you and He offers you freedom from this madness. Matthew 11:28 (New King James Version)

Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

It's not will power that will give you freedom, it's His power. Trust Him. Pray, ask God if it's the food that has made you overweight or if it has been the dieting rules. I know it's scary, God has just this week confirmed this to me. I have been fighting with Him about this for months! How scary is this! To just let go. Give it to Him. If I just trust Him, and eat whatever, and whenever, just praying that God will not let me overeat, will that work? I am scared! But I know, that I know, that I know, that this is what He has revealed to me through His Word, and I know, that I know, that I know, that He has told me to tell others.

I don't know if you know this, but I am a very timid person. I have always hated controversy. One of my worst fears was that somebody might yell at me or get mad at me, but God told me last night that my ministry will cause a lot of controversy, but when I got scared, He reminded me that His did too.

Proverbs 27:6 (New King James Version) 6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

Bootsie
11-17-2010, 09:44 PM
Hi Keli and all, just wanted to check in. I did not weigh this morning first time in a long time, but what good would it of done never went to bed last night. Since 1 PM yesterday have walked 13 miles mainly in the house cleaning and have a long way to go. I decided I am going to put our Christmas tree up in my Mother in laws kitchen where the Siamese twins (cats) cannot get to it but I have to put a lock on the door for they have learned how to open the doors! I have to get to bed tonight and get some rest, for I have to go to town tomorrow. You know I am not hungry but I feel like road kill have had no supper at all, just wore out.

kaplods
11-17-2010, 10:11 PM
Kaplods, Hummm. I guess if you think that Hebrews 13:8-9 is only for the Old Testament laws and not for today, how do you pick and choose which ones were for the time they were written and which ones are for us today? You said


You misunderstood what I said completely. I did not say or mean that Hebrews13:8-9 is not just as true and applicable today as it was when first written, but the meaning has not changed. The scripture was about religious food practices (foods eaten to gain spiritual benefit), and that's still what it is about (in fact, the scripture even stresses the unchanging nature of the message). It was about religious food rules then and it STILL is about religious food rules (not secular ones. It's only your spiritual outlook on food, not your secular one that's being addressed). It is still every bit as true today that Christians should not incorporate other religion's religious food practices into Christianity.

If you want to give up pork because you believe it's unhealthy, that's fine. But if you want to give up pork because you think maybe Muslims and Jews are correct that we are disobeying God if we foods the Old Testament forbids, then you're wrong, because Hebrews13:8-9 tells us so.

If you want to follow Jewish kosher law, because you think it's physically healthy, God does not forbid it (as far as I understand). You just need to know that following kosher law (even for health) doesn't have any effect on the pureness of your soul or the level of your devotion to God.




You said, "If I just trust Him, and eat whatever, and whenever, just praying that God will not let me overeat, will that work?"


I think the answer is maybe, but not necessarily. I pray that it does work for you, but it didn't work for me. I had to find a different path to put food issues in their appropriate place in my life. Thoughts of food and dieting no longer occupy my mind constantly (because I learned that when I keep carb levels low, they don't trigger the hunger and cravings I experienced most of my life).


For me, the physiological was very important. The carb-addiction. To some degree what you're saying seems to me like telling an alcoholic that if they trust in God they can drink whatever alcohol, and whenever, just praying that God will not let them overindulge.

And there are Christians who do believe that, and even a few who have found it true, but others have failed at it, and have had to impose external (secular, non-religious) rules along with their prayers to help control their behavior.


I wish you the best, but I think I will stop posting, because I don't sense that our conversation is going in a helpful direction.

EZMONEY
11-17-2010, 11:22 PM
I must admit, I am a bit confused by your answer Gary, are you saying that it's okay to compulsively diet because it's like a... new hymn? Or a new sermon? Or are you saying that it's okay to explore new things, like letting go of the security blanket of dieting and just give it over to God.


Hummm ~:?: I am confused Kelli as to how you got that out of what I posted. My feelings of the commentary I posted was that it was saying that Jesus has never changed but as a society we change...we change on how God's WORD (even though it doesn't change) changes in how it is presented to us.

I thought the commentary was useful in the understanding of Jesus never changing...even though it was about hymns.

For example if our Pastors were teaching us that our bodies are Temples created by God, with which to glorify Him, and we are supposed to take care of them in ways to be pleasing to Him then a pastor from the 1800's surely wouldn't be talking to us about the hazards of fast food.

Anyway moving past that.....I feel it is very wrong to try to compare what the legalistic Judaizers were teaching on ceremonial foods (Hebrews 14: 9-10) and what foods and diet restrictions some people are trying to follow.

I totally understand and agree with you that some people...Christians...make food and diets their "jesus"....and focus on that instead of Him sometimes.

People that choose to follow diet guidelines are not returning to the law of the old covenant.

In Romans 14:1-4....

The Weak and the Strong

1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand

Kelli, Paul tells us here that the strong Christian's understanding of the Gospel allows him to recognize that one's diet has no spiritual significance.

I think when most of us read your original post we felt you were trying to include everyone into your thinking on this matter. You have since clarified that :)

Because of the love Jesus has for us He wants us to share our faith...we all share in different ways.

The important stuff is what HE did for us....there is no arguing that....IT IS FINISHED!

the rest of it we will debate for earth's eternity ;)

Kelli
11-18-2010, 04:01 AM
:hug: to you all. :)

EZMONEY
11-18-2010, 10:01 AM
We love you KELLI :)

And don't you ever leave us! :nono:

:hug:

Kelli
11-20-2010, 09:10 AM
1 Timothy 4:1-8 (New King James Version)

The Great Apostasy

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. 7 But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come.

Kelli
11-21-2010, 05:09 PM
The more willpower you use, and the harder you have tried to lose weight, the heavier you will be. Dieting creates two obsessions. One, you become fixated on food and two, you become fixated on your weight.

Believe me when I tell you, you are strong! It’s not about changing the food you eat. It’s about understanding and fixing the reasons you overeat. It’s about changing your wrong thinking into right thinking.

You have a problem with your weight because you eat more than your body uses, so… stop eating more than your body needs. Don’t you wish it were that simple?

Diets try to convince us that we need to change the food we eat. They over simplify, and, over complicate the whole process. Wouldn’t it be easy if we could all simply decide which diet was best for us, and then do it? If it was that clear-cut, obesity wouldn’t be the second highest preventable cause of death in America. I knew all that, but I couldn’t stop myself from overeating. I needed to find the reason I was overeating and why I couldn’t stop, that’s why I started my Bible study. I was desperate.

Kelli
11-22-2010, 06:29 AM
Read Colossians 2: 20-23 20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Kelli
11-22-2010, 08:52 PM
I was so frustrated for years, because being addicted to food, is not like being addicted to cigarettes or alcohol, because if you want to break the addiction to those things, you just stay away from them. You can't stay away from food. The more I read the Bible, God started revealing to me that it was the addiction to dieting that created the love for food.

for so many years I didn't want to believe what I was reading. I had the worlds idea of clean and unclean foods (we call it healthy and unhealthy now) those ideas were ingrained in my Psyche, that I resisted for ten years!!! :frypan:

I have been studying the Bible about this subject for ten years. I now believe the diet God wants for us is to eat in moderation. You can eat anything you want, as long as it is in moderation, and it doesn't make you sick. If it does make you sick then it shouldn't be hard to resist. On the other hand, If certain foods make you sick because you have been stuffing so much down your throat so the pain won't bubble out, then eat it, but don't stuff it down so hard, you will get to eat it again! If you do stuff it past the point of satisfaction, tell God you are sorry you overate, and LET IT GO!!!!!

There is something you can do! Just like the alcoholic can't be around alcohol, You can cast down every thought about dieting food, and especially you need to cast down the thoughts that make you feel like less of a person or that you are worth less than a thin person.

There are no rules. I know that is a hard concept. I know it's hard to just stop dieting. I was afraid if I did, I would just eat and eat and eat, and to be frank, the first few weeks I did, but I had been doing that anyway. I would fail on my latest diet and Binge, I would stuff so much food down, the whole time feeling, shame, regret, self revulsion...:cry:

You have to just let the guilt go. When I stopped dieting, every time I felt the guilt, I cast it down with a Scripture like: 2 Corinthians 10:3-5 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ

I found that after a couple of weeks, without dieting, or feeling guilt for overeating, food just didn't have the same fascination for me as it had. It is such a delight to sit here with a bowel full of homemade mashed potatoes and gravy, and I have actually forgotten they where there! It didn't take that long at all to break the addiction! Maybe two weeks at the most. Just try it for two weeks! You have tried everything else!

Love, Kelli

Kelli
11-23-2010, 12:26 AM
I do have a couple of suggestions about eating (Remember, these are not rules!)

Scientists have begun to trace the link between portion sizes and increased obesity in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, between 1971 and 2000 American women increased the number of calories they consumed by 22 percent (from 1,542 to 1,877 per day), while men increased their intake by 7 percent (from 2,450 to 2,618 calories). Government recommendations, by contrast, are a mere 1,600 calories a day for women and 2,200 a day for men.

I heard an interview the other day, it was with a man who said he was moving into his 1940's house. He started putting his dinner plates away, and they wouldn't fit! He thought, "What idiot would make a cupboard to small to fit a standard size dinner plate". Then he realized that the dinner plates in the 1940's were smaller!

I know I have heard people say that you should use a smaller plate, and I happen to have some old dinner plates, so I thought I would try to see if there was a real difference. I was surprised!!! So I took pictures.


http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q290/kelli316/DSCF8980.jpg


Here is my dinner on the smaller plate. I thought this looked like plenty of food to eat for dinner... UNTIL, I put it on my standard size dinner plate!




http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q290/kelli316/DSCF8984.jpg


All I did was scrape the very same food from the small plate to the bigger one. It is the exact portion as the smaller plate! I don't know about you, but if I was using this bigger plate, I would of kept filling it up. It looked to empty!

Well I don't know about you, but I am going to use my smaller plates from now on, it is a huge difference.

Love Kelli

Kelli
11-26-2010, 08:34 PM
Even though I had been a Christian a long time, and reading my Bible almost every day, I never thought to go to the Bible to resolve my weight problem. I didn’t consider it a diet guide. I would pray, asking God to help me with a particular diet, but I never thought of the Bible as the starting place. The more I read the Bible, the more I realized it is a rich source of knowledge, and insight for every known problem. The Word is our guide for living every aspect of our life. This ancient document is just as practical today as it was thousands of years ago, when Solomon wrote:

Ecclesiastes 1:9, 10 That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun. 10 Is there anything of which it may be said, "See, this is new"? It has already been in ancient times before us.

Read Psalm 118:8-9
It is better to trust in the Lord Than to put confidence in man, 9It is better to trust in the Lord Than to put confidence in princes.

In whom should you put your confidence, to overcome your obsession? ______

Read Colossians 2: 20-23 20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

This scripture nails it. It’s exactly what we have been doing with our frantic dieting. Why are we living as if we don’t have all this knowledge and wisdom at our fingertips?

It’s not a food issue. It’s a head, and heart problem. The trouble starts when we make the act of eating, into a forbidden fruit. An addict is someone who can’t get enough; they want more, and more. How many people do you know who are addicted to water? We are rebellious. I don’t have a problem praying for help finding my keys, yet somehow I always conveniently forget to pray for help resisting the last of my Mucho Grande Over Stuffed Big Fat Burrito.

In a recent study done in Switzerland, participants were blindfolded while eating. They ate less and felt just as full. It was determined; when they couldn’t see what they were eating, they paid more attention to their inner cues.

After I read about this study, I decided to do this myself, I blindfolded myself and ate very slow. My cute daughter kept track of my bites with hash marks so the number wouldn't influence me. It only took 24 bites for breakfast and 18 for lunch and dinner (I think it took more on the breakfast one, because it had been a longer time from my last meal) I started taking only 18 spoonfuls of food and found I was completely satisfied with that most of the time.

Love, Kelli

PS, I am not counting spoonfuls anymore tho, I have completely given up dieting, however, I know that's not for everybody.

EZMONEY
11-27-2010, 09:34 AM
Great "awareness" with the pictures of the plates Kelli!

Faithiskey
12-08-2010, 05:07 PM
God is so good, He has shown me that it's not the overeating that makes one fat, it is the obsession with dieting.

Dieting, counting calories, carbs, weighing my food, making list about what I eat... All of it, creates an unnatural desire for forbidden fruit. When I tell myself, "I will not eat that candy bar", my thoughts naturally focus on the thing of my desire, and that's all I can think about.

I didn't start to have a problem with food, until I started dieting. That is the whole secret. The sooner you stop dieting, thinking about being thin, thinking your fat... the sooner you will stop being obsessed with food, and you will stop gaining weight.

Here is how you do it, it's simple, every time you think about weight or related topics, just capture your thoughts. Think about something else, your obsession will subside, and you will naturally lose weight, without any effort.

Jesus, says all over the new testament that we are not supposed to be caught up in rules, in fact he specifically says "diet rules" and yet we feel righteous when we are being "good" on our diets. We are all doing exactly what the pharisees did. Telling each other about our diet, asking them about their diet, feeling judged when we are not being "good"... WE ARE FREE!


I agree with you but getting there seems hard.

joyful retiree
12-13-2010, 08:49 AM
Boy, this post seems to have generated a lot of rather emotional responses. I don't think anyone has intended to be contentious, but rather that misunderstandings have occured. I pray that everyone posting understands that & also understands that what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. I know this may sound harsh & it is not my intention to create anymore contention, but here's my 2 cents worth. There was a time before I was saved when reading a thread like this would make me laugh at the hypocrisy of supposedly loving Christians.

I am a born again child of God and this is what I believe; For all His children, God uses everything in our lives & works it for our good (Roman's 8:28). He teaches us individually as we grow closer & closer to Him in our very personal relationship. Jesus is more than our best security, He is the only true security. Everything I am & everything I have belongs to God & He is my all sufficiency in all things. I praise & thank God for the wonderful, abundant variety of delicious & healthy food He has provided for our enjoyment, and I am so grateful that this has caused me to raise my voice in prayer & thanksgiving to Him & to seek His guidance in how to be a good steward of my body, which is His temple.

Faithiskey
12-13-2010, 09:27 AM
I have been exploring this idea. As a matter of fact I went to a used bookstore yesterday and found a little book called The Diet Alternative. It is a small book and cost me $3.00. I read it and it makes sense and I'm going to try it. I would love to live in freedom from counting and tracking and binging and feeling guilty and obsessing about food. There are no hard and fast rules. You simply commit your health and eating habits to God. He'll lead you as to what to do. Different people have to do different things. It's what he leads *you* as an individual to do. The main goal is that if you are obsessing about food or overeating or eating for reasons other than true hunger then you have a spiritual problem that only God can fix.

I think that the misunderstanding occurs when people don't realize that God works on each of us in different ways. His standards are the same but he leads us to those standards in different ways. For example, my problem with food is that I overeat sweets/breads and I eat for reasons other than true hunger. So what I have to do to get to God's standard of freedom and balance will be different from the person who overeats at every meal or the person who has an eating disorder or the person who is diabetic etc.

luvmyellabella
12-13-2010, 06:39 PM
This is a great thread and I hope it keeps going. I posted over on the Intuitive Eating thread, but the more the better!

I too never had weight problems UNTIL I started dieting. I have a ton of "non dieting" weight loss books. They are all good, I'm sure, I just never really committed. After my last foray with the "new and improved" Weight Watchers program, I've had it with wasting money on diets.

I've read the latest non dieting book The Eden Diet, but the book I chose to help me foremost is Paul McKenna's I Can Make you Thin. A corny title, but great information for a non dieting technique. I also have his journal. I'll use my other books as supplements to this one.

I also turned vegan, but not for dieting purposes. It's just something I've always been drawn to; now I'm living it.

luvmyellabella
12-13-2010, 06:45 PM
Faith, I have the Diet Alternative as well. There is a revised edition with a workbook built into the back of the book.

I have so many books to read. They will all supplement Paul McKenna's book.

The one issue I have with some Christian non-dieting techniques (and I'm definitely a believer so please don't take this wrong), is that some of the authors keep saying that the program they have outlined is God's natural way of eating. The truth is these are authors' rules, no different than dieting rules, only we can do it without counting calories, weighing and measuring foods,etc. I truly believe God gave us so much freedom, he left the eating part up to our own good sense. So honestly I acknowledge that these non-dieting techniques are another set of rules, but what freedom not to count calories, points, weigh and measure, etc. I'll take these non-dieting "rules" any day!

Faithiskey
12-14-2010, 08:43 AM
I agree the techniques are the author's own. But the difference is you don't have to hold fast to them. I think that you can start with those techniques and then as you spend more time with God and the Holy Spirit guides you, He will give you your own techniques.

I think the goal of the Diet Alternative is to get you to start with skipping a meal so that you don't obsess about food all day. You know that you will automatically be reducing your caloric intake by skipping that one meal so you are free from counting and tracking.
Then you can use that meal time as a time to be with God (which we don't do when we are obsessed with dieting!) and as a result He can then begin to speak to us individually and we can hear Him because our minds aren't clouded with thoughts of food and diets.

Maybe I'm a fool to think this will work but I tell you, it is worth giving it a try before I spend my money on another book or the WW program. Yesterday was nice. I felt good about not having to worry about how much I was eating. I just stopped my breakfast when I was full and then waited for the hunger signal to eat lunch. I filled all snack times and dinner time with some other activities and bible study. There is a type of liberty in eating this way.

luvmyellabella
12-14-2010, 01:41 PM
Faith, I agree it is such a blessing to learn to eat when hungry and stop when satisfied.

Your first sentence is just wonderful. Yes, I too believe God wants what's best for us, and if we leave ourselves open we will be guided toward what works for us.

It is such a true blessing not to obsess over calories, correct portion size, carbs, fats and measuring spoons anymore!

I highly recommend Paul McKenna's book. Although not a faith-based book, I find nothing in it that contradicts my beliefs in Jesus, and it distills important information into simple, easy to understand guidelines. There's even a wallet sized reminder card to punch out in the back of the book!

Kelli
01-08-2011, 01:43 PM
AAAHHHH! I must be really thick headed. I really, really, never saw or thought I was upsetting anyone. My heart is so full of love for everyone here. I guess I just have such a burden, and feel so passionate about showing people what God has shown me. There is such a freedom about not worrying about what I look like. Our bodies are just not that important (our bodies are the only part of us that's not eternal). Pursuing what God put you here to do, is the thing that is important, and will give you passion and fulfillment.

I have written a website, for those of you who are interested. It is totally free. I just want to show other hurting people what God has shown me. its at flowersoverthewall.com

Love, Kelli

linda45
01-19-2011, 02:35 PM
I love this thread & agree with it completely. Beginning Aug 30/10 I've been listening to the Father moment by moment in my weight loss journey. I'm eating only when hungry & stopping when barely full. God has led me to correct portions & has broken the cravings totally.

I'm down 40 lbs & have found freedom from the diet addiction & obsession.

Helpful books are Thin Within & The Eden Diet (Rita Hancock).

How wonderful to face the diet madness of January in total peace.

Kelli
01-28-2011, 09:12 AM
My husband and I used to provide foster care for teenage girls; and because of the trauma they suffered, they all had issues. When we would try to help them deal with a negative character trait such as depression or anger, they would sometimes say, “That’s just the way I am,” and I can relate because I was stuck that way for years. Always looking back at my past mistakes, I felt trapped forever with the behavior, looking to the future with fear of what I might do or what might happen to me. Then Jesus began to show me something cool. Once you become born again, you are a new creation. Satan’s worst fear is that you recognize that. This new man doesn’t look at the mistakes of the past because he knows God has forgotten those failures. The new man doesn’t look at the future, because he knows God’s promised He will provide. The new man looks at this moment right here. God promises he will help us overcome. Most of the time when we sigh and think or say “This is my cross to bear” we are talking about things we think will happen and not things which have actually occurred. Or we are talking about things that have occurred in the past, things which God has already brought us through, but we continue to hold on to. When you are being tempted, you simply live in that moment and that moment alone, deal with the present circumstance.

If you can grasp this concept, you will find it easy to resist temptation. You can do anything for one moment. When that moment is gone go to the next and the next. Don’t think ahead or behind, practice it. Call on Jesus in that moment. Fight the battle in that moment and that moment only. It works by taking the pressure off; you don’t have to deal with this forever. God will fight for you. After a few minutes of testing, God takes over the fight. Just hang on for that moment. Then if you still want to overeat, do it. Let it go, take the pressure off yourself.

You see, it’s not only overeating that numbs your feelings and gives you an escape, it’s the whole process. You can feel sad about something less painful than the hurt you have suffered, and are trying to stuff down. With overeating there is hope that you can change things. The numbing process goes like this. You start out feeling good, you found a new diet and counting calories and writing down list and weighing everything you eat, and it takes your mind off your true pain. Then because you can’t allow yourself to succeed, (what would you run to for the zoning out process), you fail. Then you will just eat a little; you will be strong tomorrow. You will just have a small piece of chocolate cake even though you’re not in the least bit hungry. Then you take a sliver and eat it fast before you change your mind. Then you say, “I’ve blown it anyway might as well have another, I am so weak. Then the process of self-abuse begins. Then you eat the whole cake, one sliver at a time, all the while telling yourself how weak and stupid you are. Then the depression about how overweight you are. Then your friend calls and tells you about a new diet and the whole process of zoning out and not really taking care of the real problem begins all over again.

Next time you get tempted to overeat, think about what you are doing right at that moment. What thoughts, feelings, or projects are you trying to avoid? Then ask God to help you deal with the issue. God revealed this to me this morning, and when I was tempted to overeat today, I stopped to see what was making me want to zone out, or change the subject of the way my thoughts were going. I realized that every time I got frustrated with something I wanted to eat. I have ADD, and sometimes things are hard for me to figure out. I wanted to avoid doing a hard part of my work, so I would reach for a candy. Just remember to stay in the moment. I have a friend who is doing this Study with me and she wrote something I thought was so smart. She said, “God puts a cap on how long Satan can tempt us.” He will flee, just stay in the moment.

II Corinthians 4:16-18 Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day. 17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, 18 while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Before God showed me this concept, I would get trapped in my thoughts, the “I have always done it that way” thoughts. The suggestion of, I’ll always do it that way. Thinking in the future of the work involved with resisting temptation, adds a lot of pressure to that moment.

James 1:12-15 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

Don’t let Satan trick you with suggesting you can sin in this moment, because you always have the next moment. You only have this moment, this one right now. If you give into that suggestion, you are living in the next moment. Use this moment to live for Jesus. You want to get rid of the negative behavior of overeating, or you wouldn’t be reading this. Just do it! It’s easy. In Him, you can do anything and living for this moment makes it easier.

EZMONEY
01-30-2011, 09:25 PM
Hi Kelli!

Kelli
01-30-2011, 09:36 PM
Hi Gary! Love ya brutha.

Kelli
01-30-2011, 09:39 PM
After David was confronted with the sin of committing adultery with Bathsheba, and killing her husband. He prayed, Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.

What do you think David meant when he asked God to “renew a steadfast spirit within him”?

The Dictionary defines the word, Steadfast as:

1. fixed in direction; steadily directed: a steadfast gaze.
2. firm in purpose, resolution, faith, attachment, etc.,
3. unwavering, as resolution, faith, adherence, etc.
4. firmly established, as an institution or a state of affairs.
5. firmly fixed in place or position.

Negative thoughts are what steer you away from having a steadfast spirit. If you are focused on the pains of the past you will be defeated and depressed. The only thing keeping you from losing weight is your own attitude. Satan will keep you defeated if you stop paying attention and let him. You have to deliberately decide you will be steadfast in your joy. Even if you don’t feel joyful, sing and dance. That’s how you fight, you praise and dance with joy even though you are crying in sorrow.

Remember any suffering you are going through is nothing compared to the spiritual knowledge you gain from the experience. He will turn your mourning into joy! Quit complaining to anybody that will listen, you will never reach your full potential if you are negative. Don’t let Satan steal your joy! Keep getting back up. Pray for a persevering attitude. Even secular medical science tells us a right attitude will have an impact. You say you can’t, God says He will. I’m sure one of Satan’s favorite tools is a negative, complaining Christian.

If you are like I am, you think you’re not one of these Christians, as a matter of fact I always considered myself to be a very positive person, but one time I decided to listen to myself for a day to see how many negative things came out of my mouth, I was amazed! I discovered I would say something negative to start a conversation, I would say, “man it’s miserably hot, I can’t wait until winter”, or man it is miserably cold, I can’t wait until summer”.

Philippians 4:8,9 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things. 9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.

Every moment presents us with a new opportunity we can start new, fresh, and forgiven. Every new moment affords us an opportunity to discover and experience Gods mercies. We can put the former things behind us and press on.

Colossians 3:1-3 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Decide to stand by faith and get rid of the strong hold. You have the power of the most high God, the same power that raised Christ from the dead dwells in you. Everlasting, unstoppable, the strongest power in the universe is available to you, as long as you are in God’s will, fighting Satan by submitting to God is always in God’s will.

You cannot allow discouragement a place in your mind. Sometimes it just feels good to feel sorry for ourselves and let discouragement and negative thoughts flow, but it is not going to get you what you need. Get up, sing “The Joy of the Lord is My Strength”, or “This Is a Day that the Lord Has Made, I Will Rejoice and be Glad In It.” That is why we sing and praise God, to remind us of all He has done. It’s not because God is narcissistic, He knows He is all good and perfect, He doesn’t need you to tell Him. It’s for your benefit we praise God with song and scripture, it is positive affirmation to us of God’s love and His power.

II Kings 6:15-18 And when the servant of the man of God arose early and went out, there was an army, surrounding the city with horses and chariots. And his servant said to him, “Alas, my master! What shall we do?”

16 So he answered, “Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.” 17 And Elisha prayed, and said, “LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” Then the LORD opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. 18 So when the Syrians came down to him, Elisha prayed to the LORD, and said, “Strike this people, I pray, with blindness.” And He struck them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.

The servant couldn’t see the huge army God had in the hills, until God opened his eyes. These things were written and passed down to make us remember God’s power. Believe in His mighty power. Remember these things as you are being tempted. Dwell on them, not negative self talk. When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, it was his steadfast use of the positive Words of God, His calm and unfaltering faith, defeated Satan.

Through Christ you can overcome this obsession. We are more than conquers we have the most high God, the most powerful force in the universe. A right spirit is a persevering, humble, dependent upon God, spirit.

Romans 13:11-14 And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

Kelli
02-10-2011, 09:26 AM
So you lose all your weight, then what? If you’re like I was, your thoughts have been filled with dieting, and losing weight for so long, I really didn’t know what would fill my thoughts if I didn’t have the anxiety I had always had about my weight. I realized that if I didn’t get rid of the obsession with being thin, I would replace the getting skinny obsession with the staying skinny obsession. I knew my thoughts would still be absorbed with food, fat, calories, etc. Those thoughts made me tired and unhappy, I realized that being thin would not make me content, I knew I would still yearn for food, and I really didn’t want them anymore. I was so tired.

So how do you replace those thoughts? Use Scripture. The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 10, that you can capture your thoughts.

Matthew 6:25 [Do Not Worry] “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?

This passage isn’t necessarily saying God will always have you dressed to the nines, it’s saying no matter what you wear your body is valuable, not the clothes you wear. You wear the clothes, the clothes don’t wear you. Just like you wear your body, your body doesn’t wear you, and life is more than food. It doesn’t matter what the food is that’s not what makes your life. The old adage that says, “Beauty is only skin deep.” Is talking about physical beauty, you can be physically beautiful and have a very ugly heart.

The Bible uses the word “Bread or Food” symbolically, Jesus called Himself “the bread from heaven” John 6:32, “The bread of God” John 6:33 “the bread that came down from Heaven”.

We have all been given gifts and talents that God wants to use to further His kingdom and help others find and develop a relationship with Him. If you don’t know what your mission in life is, don’t worry, God will make it clear to you in His time, your job is to seek out what that assignment is. Instead of worrying about calories, weight, food, etc… get out there and figure out what God wants you to do. If you already know your part of the body, then get busy doing it! Fill your heart and mind with it. Capture all the thoughts of weight, dieting, and food and replace them with the task at hand. Finding and doing your job is the only and I mean ONLY thing in life that will fulfill you. Satan uses the whole cycle of addiction. The fail, guilt, find a new diet, have a measure of success, then failure again, to distract us from our mission.

John 6:55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.

Acts 14:17 Nevertheless He did not leave Himself without witness, in that He did good, gave us rain from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.”

Jesus says so many times in His word that He is the Bread, and doing God’s work is spiritual food. Figuratively, Jesus is Heavenly Manna, the spiritual food given to those who ask seek knock. You are not your own, quit worrying about what you look like, and get busy.

I Corinthians 6:19-20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Kelli
02-16-2011, 11:09 PM
Quote from Paul Campos. He is the author of the Obesity myth.

Is your weight hazardous to your health? According to America's public health authorities, there's an 80% chance that it is. From the Surgeon General's office, the Centers for Disease Control, the National Institutes of Health, and our leading medical schools, America's anti-fat warriors are bombarding us with dire warnings: According to such sources, no less than four of every five Americans maintain a medically dangerous body mass (nearly two-thirds of us are said to be overweight, while almost half of the rest of the nation is categorized as too thin).
If these claims sound implausible, there's a very good reason why: because they're false. Indeed, given that Americans are enjoying longer lives and better health than ever before, the claim that four out of five of us are running serious health risks because of our weight sounds exactly like the sort of exaggeration that can produce a cultural epidemic of fear, bearing no relation to any rational assessment of risk.
On the other hand, given the pervasiveness of America's fear of fat, it's only natural that many readers will react skeptically to a claim that this fear has no real medical or scientific justification. For one thing, it is always disturbing to acknowledge that authoritative social institutions can and sometimes do seriously mislead the public: At some level everyone would like to be able to trust our culture's experts and authority figures when they claim to know what's best for us. Indeed, when I began researching this topic five years ago, I assumed the fact that being "overweight" was a serious health risk was so well established that this aspect of the subject was hardly worth discussing. Yet in the course of plowing through dozens of books, hundreds of articles in medical journals, and countless interviews with medical and scientific experts, I discovered that almost everything the government and the media were saying about weight and weight control was either grossly distorted or flatly untrue.

It does seem strange that we hear so much about how unhealthy we are, yet our life expectancy is increasing every year??? In fact, we hear so much from the billion dollar a year diet industry... They tell us that our children could be the only generation who's life expectancy will be shorter, than their parents. But in fact our life expectancy has risen dramatically since 1960 when the life expectancy was 69.8. in 2008 it was 78.4. I just don't think we should check our brains at the door. I understand that their has been wonderful medical advances since then, but I also don't think that we are as unhealthy and doomed as the diet industry claims either. Google Marilyn Monroe, and look at her images. then Google some of our "idols" for today. You tell me which one is more attractive.

In my opinion it's not just the easy access and lower activity rate that has contributed to our obesity. I think it is all the talk of diets. We are obsessed! Dieting my actually lead to an eating disorder.

hummm, it's something to think about. What do you think?

Kelli
02-22-2011, 08:52 AM
If you lose weight for the wrong reasons, in the wrong way, it won’t make you happy. You may be skinny, but your soul will be lean. Your weight and diet will still always be at the front of your mind. You will still be obsessed with your weight and dieting. Don’t think that when you reach your weight goal, suddenly your weight thoughts and obsession with dieting stops? No you continue to dwell in unhappiness, worrying you will gain it back, because it’s still hard to resist the food.

Why do you think that many of the patients of Bariatric surgery gain their weight back?

Because they haven’t addressed the issues of why they became overweight in the first place. Do it Gods way and have a fat soul. Feeding on Jesus is spiritual food. When you take food into your body, it makes muscles and tissue grow. The food becomes part of you.

Once you became a Christian, your spirit gained control of your body. Satan will try to convince you otherwise. However, God, the God who made heaven and earth has pronounced; you are a new creation! Your body is what houses the most important thing about you. Your body is wonderful, amazing. It mystifies the most brilliant and educated. each cell of your heart can beat on its own! No one can tell you why it perpetually beats, and yet it does. However, the most important thing about "YOU" is not your body. It is the tent for your spirit, the everlasting part of you.

Your body/flesh is only special because it’s perfectly suited to grow your spirit. To become truly committed to God your spirit has to grow and your body/flesh has to shrink. Your body/flesh is what Satan controls, that is his vehicle. Your spirit is what wants and desires to follow God, pray for your spirit. The stronger your spirit is the weaker your flesh will become.

What happens when you try, and try, and you still can’t stop eating and gaining weight? God wants you to be thin and healthy, but more than that He desires a relationship with your spirit, He wants your spirit to be fat and healthy, Man shall not live by bread alone.

Love, Kelli

Kelli
02-23-2011, 09:11 AM
Those who are addicted to food are especially susceptible to the suggestion of Satan to eat when we are not hungry, because it’s not like drugs or smoking, you can get away from those addictions. That is why we have to resist the attacks on our faith.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

Contend means to struggle in opposition: to contend with the enemy for control. You have to fight for control of your faith. Recognize the attack and counter attack with your faith, using God’s Word in faith.

Ephesians 6:13-18 (The Message) Be prepared. You're up against far more than you can handle on your own. Take all the help you can get, every weapon God has issued, so that when it's all over but the shouting you'll still be on your feet. Truth, righteousness, peace, faith, and salvation are more than words. Learn how to apply them. You'll need them throughout your life. God's Word is an indispensable weapon. In the same way, prayer is essential in this ongoing warfare. Pray hard and long. Pray for your brothers and sisters. Keep your eyes open. Keep each other's spirits up so that no one falls behind or drops out.

Satan is always on the lookout to find ways to discourage us. We gain ground and we hope we can keep the victory, but Satan always finds another attack. He will keep attacking, and we will keep using our weapons. He will eventually give up trying to tempt us with that particular sin, until a more opportune time. However, it is a process. We gain the strength and faith muscles, by using them. Some of you will lose the weight immediately while others, like me will need more fighting to strengthen our faith. Don’t run ahead of God, He doesn’t need your help. Keep using your weapons when you are tempted. If you still want to eat, go ahead. Don’t let the temptation become the forbidden fruit, don’t give the food or Satan that power, because then you will want it more. Let go give up control to God, stand, trust, and obey.

We can do this! We have God, the God who spoke and created the universe. He is on our side, but your faith is essential. The Bible says that when Jesus went to his own hometown, He could do no mighty works because of their lack of faith.

Love, Kelli

Kelli
02-24-2011, 09:19 AM
I LOVE ROMANS!!!!

Romans 8:1-17 (The Message)

Romans 8
The Solution Is Life on God's Terms
1-2With the arrival of Jesus, the Messiah, that fateful dilemma is resolved. Those who enter into Christ's being-here-for-us no longer have to live under a continuous, low-lying black cloud. A new power is in operation. The Spirit of life in Christ, like a strong wind, has magnificently cleared the air, freeing you from a fated lifetime of brutal tyranny at the hands of sin and death.

3-4God went for the jugular when he sent his own Son. He didn't deal with the problem as something remote and unimportant. In his Son, Jesus, he personally took on the human condition, entered the disordered mess of struggling humanity in order to set it right once and for all. The law code, weakened as it always was by fractured human nature, could never have done that.

The law always ended up being used as a Band-Aid on sin instead of a deep healing of it. And now what the law code asked for but we couldn't deliver is accomplished as we, instead of redoubling our own efforts, simply embrace what the Spirit is doing in us.

5-8Those who think they can do it on their own end up obsessed with measuring their own moral muscle but never get around to exercising it in real life. Those who trust God's action in them find that God's Spirit is in them—living and breathing God! Obsession with self in these matters is a dead end; attention to God leads us out into the open, into a spacious, free life. Focusing on the self is the opposite of focusing on God. Anyone completely absorbed in self ignores God, ends up thinking more about self than God. That person ignores who God is and what he is doing. And God isn't pleased at being ignored.

9-11But if God himself has taken up residence in your life, you can hardly be thinking more of yourself than of him. Anyone, of course, who has not welcomed this invisible but clearly present God, the Spirit of Christ, won't know what we're talking about. But for you who welcome him, in whom he dwells—even though you still experience all the limitations of sin—you yourself experience life on God's terms. It stands to reason, doesn't it, that if the alive-and-present God who raised Jesus from the dead moves into your life, he'll do the same thing in you that he did in Jesus, bringing you alive to himself? When God lives and breathes in you (and he does, as surely as he did in Jesus), you are delivered from that dead life. With his Spirit living in you, your body will be as alive as Christ's!

12-14So don't you see that we don't owe this old do-it-yourself life one red cent. There's nothing in it for us, nothing at all. The best thing to do is give it a decent burial and get on with your new life. God's Spirit beckons. There are things to do and places to go!

15-17This resurrection life you received from God is not a timid, grave-tending life. It's adventurously expectant, greeting God with a childlike "What's next, Papa?" God's Spirit touches our spirits and confirms who we really are. We know who he is, and we know who we are: Father and children. And we know we are going to get what's coming to us—an unbelievable inheritance! We go through exactly what Christ goes through. If we go through the hard times with him, then we're certainly going to go through the good times with him!

Kelli
02-25-2011, 07:21 AM
Joshua 23: 8-10 but you shall hold fast to the LORD your God, as you have done to this day. 9 For the LORD has driven out from before you great and strong nations; but as for you, no one has been able to stand against you to this day. 10 One man of you shall chase a thousand, for the LORD your God is He who fights for you, as He promised you.


Matthew 12:30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Luke 11:23 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

II Corinthians 1:24 Not that we have dominion over your faith, but are fellow workers for your joy; for by faith you stand.

By faith you stand. Remember II Corinthians 10:5. Bring every thought into captivity! Rationalizations, grab the thought, it’s simple every time the thought comes up that does not belong to God capture it by saying/praying "God it’s you war". Much of the Old Testament is about God fighting wars through His people, against enemies of God and the New Testament is how God fights for you against spiritual enemies. He is our Commander-in –Chief, and we take orders from nobody but Him. You do what He tells you to do without question. You are His. You belong to Him.

I Corinthians 16:13 Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong.

If you don’t stand firm in your faith, you don’t stand at all. Every single battle we fight against Satan begins in the brain. It begins as a thought, we allow the thought to ramble around a little in our brain, and then we rationalize. It wouldn’t be so bad. I will pray and ask for help next time. Then we cave in to the temptation, we give up, without hardly a fight, “saying I can’t, I’m too weak, Satan is so strong. Before the thought forms and takes control it’s a lot easier to capture it. Simply turn it over at that moment. Give it to God and it’s over.

Galatians 4:9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

You allow sin to take you captive; you walk right up to the enemy and surrender. You give up too easily, because you believe you are too weak and you can’t help yourself, and your right, but that is the deception, Satan makes you think you are alone. You have a vast army at your disposal. You are not on your own, all you have to do is ask for it. What do all the scripture above tell us about fighting the war?

As soon as that sin enters you thoughts you simply pray and say aloud if you are alone “God this is your battle.” It’s as simple as that! A Whispered scripture, such as, "I can do all things through Christ" or "My God will fight for me", are very powerful weapons.

Find some of your own scriptures. I know I have mentioned this before, but when things are simple we often tend to pass them up because we think it should be harder, but this is how Jesus fought the battles. You must stand firm you can’t be wishy washy. Satan is not omnipotent but he is a lot smarter and more devious than we are. If you say “God this is Your battle I think”, or, “God I wish you would take this battle…”

Let’s look at a for instance of when you have used this method and didn’t know it. Think of a sin you would never do, like shoplifting, when you think of that thought, you immediately dismiss it as repulsive or preposterous. You don't let it enter in. Satan knows he can’t use that against you because that is absolutely no question you would ever do it. You stand firm. That is the way you handle every thought.

James 1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

James 1:14-15 illustrates so beautifully, how our thought process works. We can look at Eve as an example, she hangs around places she shouldn’t, close to the temptation. Then Satan engages her, knowing by her actions her weakness. Satan introduces the thought, then if allowed; it grows, fed by rationalization. Then you Give birth to it, committing the sin, then the regret.

If you are a habitual dieter. If you make endless lists. If your thoughts are filled with your weight, food, and what you look like, consider that dieting may be your most habitual sin. Ask God to show you the truth.

Love, Kelli

Kelli
03-01-2011, 11:44 PM
We become so obsessed with how we look, we forget about who we are and what we are to be doing. I was so obsessed with my looks, the thought of going to church or work without makeup was inconceivable to me. Wearing makeup is okay, but if you can’t go to church or you couldn’t do something God asked you to do without it, you may have a problem.

When I was researching the “Fasting to Feast” Bible study, I felt like God was calling me to do a fast to prepare for my ministry. I ended up fasting but it was not what I had expected.

My husband and I carpool to work every day. I love it because it’s nice to be able to just sit and talk, and another bonus is, I can put on my makeup on the way to work. As I said, I knew I wanted to fast in preparation for my Bible study, but I had this huge conflict. The whole premise of the diet is to eat when you are hungry and stop when you are full. I knew God wanted me to fast, but how could I say I lost weight by eating the way God told me to eat, when I was fasting?

One morning on the way to work, I was putting on my makeup while talking to my husband. I told him my dilemma. He said, "you don't always have to fast food you know, you could fast from something else. I started thinking about it; I said well what would it be? I can't fast from my computer, because that's part of my ministry, and how would I do my Bible study. I knew it wasn’t Television, that wouldn’t be a sacrifice, because I don’t watch it that often. I thought it wouldn’t be makeup because God knows I could never do without my makeup…

Well, I don't know how God talks to you, but with me, I usually say or think something, and He will bring a Scripture to my mind that confirms the thought or statement. I have been studying fasting in preparation for a fast and I ran across a Scripture a few days earlier that stuck in my mind, and that's the one that popped into my head as soon as I said, “God knows I could never do without my makeup”

Daniel 10: 2 In those days I, Daniel, was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant food, no meat or wine came into my mouth, nor did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

I knew God was telling me He wanted me to give up my makeup. Now to most folks this probably would be nothing. But for me it was hard, I have worn makeup since the sixth grade and I look drastically different without it. I had a hard time leaving my house without it. I was talking to my friend about it. I was telling her how stupid I felt at work because I thought I looked so different, she said. Don’t worry about what people think, just worry about what God thinks. That simple statement helped get the whole thing back into perspective. Through the fasting God showed me my make up doesn't define me. My body is the least important part of me and the only part that's not eternal. I knew that intellectually, but now it’s in my heart.

The Christian has to realize, who they are and their position in Christ. We are Christ’s children and we represent His good name. When you go around defeated because you aren’t using your Father's authority and trusting Him, it makes not only your Father look bad, but also your whole family (other Christians). If your father was the president, and you went around telling everyone how poor you are, and you lived like a transient, all the countries of the world would be wondering what is wrong with your dad? Why isn’t he taking care of his child? You would have the news media frenzy. In Christ's Family, we trust that our father will take care of us.

Colossians 1: 10- 12 (NIV) so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;

11strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously

12giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.

I used to complain, saying yeah, my life is hard... but I know God has a reason for everything. Then I started realizing how blessed I am, no matter what I looked like, I stopped complaining (murmuring). I used to say, "when I am thin, then I will be happy" or "I will do this and that, when I get skinny". The time to do "it" is NOW!!! ABUNDANT LIFE, at 120lbs or 320 lbs, is abundant!

Kelli
03-12-2011, 01:07 PM
What is the value of a man? There are different ways of calculating our worth. It's been said that if you break down the basic elements of our bodies, they are worth about 98 cents. However, you can turn around and sell one eyeball for $10,000 dollars.

People pay millions of dollars each year for plastic surgery trying to gain back their youth. The focus of our world is on our outward appearance. Even standing in the checkout line at the grocery store, comparing ourselves with the magazine covers can make us feel worthless. Being just a few pounds overweight, can cause deep depression, but read what the Bible says about that.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

God doesn’t look at our outward appearance. He loves who we are and what we are about.

The flesh, or the human element of us (our outward appearance) is our carnal side and has the least value of what makes up “You”.

Satan turns it all around. The world places the highest value on what is the least important. Your body is not even eternal, it is wonderful because God created it, but your body does not have everlasting value, not quite worth a buck. You get a new one when you are with Jesus. Your soul is eternal and beautiful, it’s not decaying as your body is, and it grows more rich and full as we grow older.

We become so self-obsessed and depressed over the part of us that is worth the least. God creates you for good works! We know that Satan Is the accuser of the brethren and one of his aspirations is to make you feel condemned.

EZMONEY
03-12-2011, 05:34 PM
:wave: Hi Kelli :wave:

Kelli
03-13-2011, 06:35 PM
Hey Gary!!!

Kelli
03-14-2011, 03:08 AM
Zechariah 3:1-4Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?" 3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the Angel. 4 Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, "Take away the filthy garments from him." And to him He said, "See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes."

Satan stands before God night and day accusing you, read how he accused Job.

When Satan accuses you and convinces you to feel condemned, and you start thinking bad thoughts about yourself, remember to capture the negative self-talk, it’s one of the vital steps in the healing process. You will not succeed until you learn to encourage yourself. Don’t ever put yourself down. If you are still doing it, you need to pray God will heal you. It is devastating and you will never find it encouraged in the Bible. Jesus never put Himself down, and He is our example.

I admit, over and over again, I have found it hard to ignore Satan, being overweight made me feel less valuable. I am so glad God cares about my spirit more than my body. The older I get the easier it becomes to capture my thoughts earlier. I used to dwell on them. Now as soon as I start to feel negative I have a song I sing a short chorus from a Don Francisco sang. It goes:

Praise the Lord, hallelue, I don’t care what the Devils going to do.
A word in faith is my sword and shield, Jesus is Lord of the way I feel.

You can use any song to get you back up. This one is for me! it is peppy, and I start dancing around, and being goofy, and in seconds, my negative emotions are under control and I am back to having the correct perspective.

How can you be a loser, if you’re saved? Your soul is not less precious to God because your outward appearance is not up to the worlds standards.

Read: Corinthians 4:16 Therefore we do not loose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day” 17For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding weight in of glory, 18while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

God places all value of you, in your spirit, not what is seen. The body is temporary. These trials are perfecting you and making your soul fuller, because of what your soul has gained in the process. We are being created day by day.