Alternachicks - Calling All Pagan Alternachicks




View Full Version : Calling All Pagan Alternachicks


barefootgrrrl
10-15-2002, 05:45 PM
I'd like to thank the Alternachick ( I forgot who!) posted the link to the witchvox site.

I've enjoy reading that site very much - but there is so much to learn!


I am confused between Pagans, Druids, Goddess Worshipers, Wiccans, Celtic Pagans, Spritualists, etc. etc. etc.


Would you mind posting a little about the branch or type of Paganism that you follow or practice so those who are interested can learn a little about the various differences between these groups?

Thanks much! Terrigrrl


Wildfire
10-15-2002, 06:11 PM
I posted the witchvox link, terrigrrl. You're welcome. :)

I'll be back to answer your question when I have more time to reply.

mauvaisroux
10-15-2002, 07:40 PM
Great idea Barefoot! It is a subject I have been interested in for some time but haven't got around to researching until recently.

Wildfire-I would love it if you would share some of your knowledge/experiences as well as anyone else who would like to share with us. :)


Wildfire
10-16-2002, 08:11 AM
I'm at work, so I can't answer right now. This will take some thought, you know...it's like asking a Christian to summarize their faith. You know what it is and how you feel about it, but to actually put it in words so others can understand can take some doing. I can say this, every Pagan you ask will have certain mainstream ties that others will also describe (and you will see many similarities to North American Indian beliefs), yet often the similarities end there. For me, it is family tradition that led me to Paganism and many of the rituals and my beliefs stem from that.

Punkinseed
10-24-2002, 05:42 PM
I'm sorry this sat out there for so long Terri, I meant to reply a while ago then decided to run back and forth to California... :rolleyes: Well, I'm back!

You said:
"I am confused between Pagans, Druids, Goddess Worshipers, Wiccans, Celtic Pagans, Spritualists, etc. etc. etc."

Ok, this is a relatively easy one to answer. Druids, Asatru, Wiccans, Buddhist, etc. are "Pagan" just like Baptist, Catholic, Assembly of God and Episcopal are all "Christian".
The definition of Pagan is any religious belief system that is NOT Christian. Pagans believe in either a singular or plural God and Goddess (or Goddess alone) but generally not in Jesus or God as the creator of all. Each has their own specific beliefs, but the basic common denominator is that they don't believe in the dogma of Christianity.
With Christians it's much the same - each branch may have different specific beliefs but their common thread is Jesus is the son of God who is the creator. Any faith that is centered around God, Jesus or Mary is considered Christian.

Now, defining each Pagan belief system is near impossible. I consider myself an ecclectic witch. Not Wiccan, that's something else entirely. If you ask 10 people who call themselves ecclectic witches what they believe, you'll probably get 10 different answers. Ditto for Druids, Asatru, Goddess centered, etc. It's one of the beauties of Paganism, that no one is right, no one is wrong. Basically what feels right in your heart and what ever brings you closer to the Divine is what you follow. There are a few who believe that it *must* be one way or if you do something *wrong* something either won't work or whatever - basically, there's fundies in every group whether they be Pagan, Christian, agnostic or athiest.

I think the best thing you can do if you're interested is to pick up some books - too bad you're not closer to me, I have a bunch of books on comparative religion. Get something that gives a synopsis of each religion, I can suggest a few if you'd like, then just start reading. One common thing you will hear among Pagans is that when they found their path they all had a feeling of coming home, or that whatever belief they discovered and embrassed felt like home or just "right" with them.

Hope this helps some. If you ever have any other questions don't hesitate to ask!

Terri :wizard:

mauvaisroux
10-24-2002, 10:16 PM
HI Punkinseed-thanks for the info. If you could post or pm me and Barefootgrrl the names of some of the books you have read that would be great:) I have one I picked up a while ago and it seems to give a good basis. I saw one at chapters the other day that talked more about the philosphies rather than just giving spell "recipes". I have studied a lot of different religions and haven't found anything I felt comfortable with yet and I would like to learn more about this spiritual path.

Wildfire
10-25-2002, 07:58 AM
I'm sorry....I totally forgot! I will contribute some information tonight, I promise!

Punkinseed
10-25-2002, 10:29 AM
You bet, I'll get you a list of a few that I found particularly helpful.
The one that sticks out in my mind the most and is probably the easiest to find is "The Complete Idiots Guide to Wicca and Witchcraft" - I kid you not. It's very informative and pretty honest - not just a bunch of fluff-bunny garbage, misinformation and spell "recipies" (I've always believed that your spell/prayer should come from your OWN heart). I've loaned it to both of my non-Pagan friends.

Terri

SuchAPrettyFace
10-25-2002, 11:00 AM
Cool link that I found today, that might interest some. (http://store.stormsong.org/)

I just ordered a bumper sticker that says:

Things haven't been the same since that house fell on my sister.

ellis
10-25-2002, 11:09 AM
Gee, those are cool wands! Is it okay for a Christian to have a wand? :D

Punkinseed
10-25-2002, 12:59 PM
Yes, of course Christians can have wands!!!!

Here ya go... :wizard:

Terri

ellis
10-25-2002, 03:41 PM
Thank you, Terri. :lol: Actually, I sort of wanted the amethyst one. It's SO pretty! I wonder if I dare...

I may be struck down dead for this by my god, but I found a couple of other wand sites. :D
http://www.realmagicwands.com/
http://earthspirits.org/wands.htm

I used to make smudge bundles... I'm going to go into my garden right now and collect some sage. They are delightful!

ps.. I like that you can wear the alter cloths as sarongs.

barefootgrrrl
10-25-2002, 04:19 PM
Oh thanks so much for all this wonderful stuff !:D

In the meantime, I've been doing some more reading......I found a book on booksamillion.com- actually a good one - titled "Idiots Guide to Paganism" - it's like an overview from 30,000 feet, which is good for me because I am still on the trailhead of this path :) I can see I have more reading ahead, so I appreciate the recommendations.

The more I study, the more I nod my head...... it really *does* feel like an inward path toward home (ok, ok, I'm not weirding out on anybody here! he he) I am a skeptic and lone ranger at heart and have always had problems swallowing dogma of any kind - so the fact that each journey is unique is just beautiful.

I also found another good website: www.beliefnet.org

Some have suggested a good jumping off point is to consider your own ethnic or cultural origins and to study that history and mythology. As an example, my friend is Scottish and she studied the Celts and is now a practicing Druid.

As for me, my background is all over the place - English, Italian, German, etc. Somewhere back there exists a Native American great grandmother. I sense a connection there. I've always felt a spiritual bond to Native American teachings. That may be a place to start.

I am just enjoying the journey - now I need to find a wand!

:lol:

Thanks again - Love, Terri

PS - What is the "House Fell On My Sister" thing all about?

:wizard:

Punkinseed
10-25-2002, 05:55 PM
"The house fell on my sister" would be a referrance to the wicked witch of the west's demise.

That's great that you found a book like that! Yes, you want something really broad to start out and I also agree that a LOT of people immediatly lean toward their heritage. I'm German, Swedish and Norweigan so I ended up with an interest in the Norse mythology and ancient ways.

The wand will come ;) Heck, I don't even have one - for that matter I don't have a lot of the gadgets of Paganism (I have an altar though) but it doesn't keep me from being a happy person who talks to animals, plants and the occasional volcano (we have a dormant one here that's coming back to life).

Enjoy your discoveries!

Terri

Wildfire
10-26-2002, 09:42 AM
My story in a nutshell: (Or "How I Came to Paganism" :D )

I was raised as a Catholic - baptized, first communion, confessions, Sunday school, the whole nine yards. I was never comfortable with it. Nice story, but after all the years and versions and interpretations...who really knew what was true and what was not? (No offense to any Christians....this is just my opinion.) Then there's the whole birth control/abortion thing which really ticks me off, but I'm not going there because it's an argument waiting to happen and no one can win it. The whole organized religion thing, repeating the same verses of prayers over and over each week like mindless drones just bothered me. Anyway, when I was around 16 I started asking questions of some older relatives about my two great aunts. I'd never known them as they both died in a fire shortly after I was born. They had been known as the "village witches" in our community and were remarkable healers. One aunt possessed powers of telekenisis (the ability to move objects without touching them) and was famous for making the dining room table hover above the floor when guests were invited for dinner or card games. The other aunt had "visions" of things that were yet to happen, and apparently was very accurate in what she foretold. I've heard their seances were absolutely frightening! When they died, their house stood empty for 16 years until a couple from out of town who didn't know the history bought it, repaired it, and moved in. They still live there and have said it is haunted, but they have learned to live amicably with whatever else calls it home. When we were children we would walk by the house very quickly on the way to my grandmother's house because we'd heard the stories of it being haunted.

So, as I got older and really began to fight the Catholic upbringing, I eventually just put my foot down and said "no more!" No more Sunday school, no more weekly mass, just no more. This bothered the heck out of my mother who was very firm in her Catholic beliefs. I started finding out what my aunts were really all about. Were they really witches? Well, yes. But not the Hollywood version with pointy hats and shoes that ate small children on Wednesdays. They had incredible knowledge of herbs and how to use them, and they believed in a different religion....one that followed the cycle of the moon and the seasons of the year and revered nature and life and its cycle. The telekenisis and ability to see the future seemed to have been a random occurrence. No one else in the family has developed it, although there are a few of us who have "glimpses" or forerunners, but you will find such things in many families.

I began to feel a bond with these two women. Learning more about them and what they believed in felt more right than anything I'd ever learned or done. I felt like I had finally come home. It is an undescribable feeling, but I just knew that finally my life made some sense and I was where I was meant to be all along. I have never looked back, never questioned if what I believe or do is the right thing, because I know it is right for me. I've been through a lot of discrimination and name calling, and it doesn't matter. Small minded people fear what they don't know. I don't flaunt my beliefs, but I certainly don't hide them. I wear Pagan jewellry, attend Pagan celebrations, and openly discuss my beliefs with people who are genuinely interested. I do tire of having very young people ask (mostly online) if I can help them become a witch. One of the beliefs I hold is not to influence another's path, so while I sometimes provide access to proper information, I will not "teach". I've never really categorized myself, other than being a solitary traditional witch.

Some time after my mother died I was discussing this whole thing with an older aunt who told me that when I was born, the aunts looked at me and told my mother "She will be the next in our line." She said no one ever told me that because my mother was completely against it and perhaps that is why she was so adamant about the Catholic upbringing. Unfortunately, I'll never be able to discuss it with my mother.

I remember when I was about 17, my best friend and I were looking through my grandmother's attic and found a solid oak, hand carved witch board. (Ouija board) We smuggled it out and took it to my basement laundry room where there were no windows, lit a candle, turned out the light and began to ask if any spirits were there. The planchette began to move quite quickly, spelling out names. The names were people in my family, people my friend didn't know...some dead, some living. When I asked the spirit its name, it spelled out a three letter word. Didn't make any sense to me, but this spirit went on to call me "witch". My poor friend was totally spooked. We nervously laughed about it later, and my mother asked what we'd been up to. I told her and she turned completely white when I told her the name of the spirit....she said "that's what they called your great aunt"....her nickname was this three letter word. We told my mother the witch board was gone, but we'd really hidden it. We had a lot of strange things happen in the house over the next year or so, until I found the board again. I took it out of the house and stored it carefully in our tool shed, and the weird stuff stopped....doors opening and closing, things being moved or gone missing, laughter in the halls at night, knocking on the windows, cold drafts....typical stuff.

So, here I am 17 years into this journey. I consider myself Pagan. I believe that the male and female exist in everything. I worship the world around me and find great joy in the smallest things in nature, things that most people I know don't even see. I celebrate the Pagan holidays, but also the non-Pagan ones with my friends and families. The cycle of life and the wheel of the year never cease to amaze me, and I have been known to cry at the beauty of the full moon. I suppose I have one foot in the past, with the aunts and all those before them, but I like it that way.

"Spells" are really nothing more than prayers...rituals performed to ask for guidance or help or simply to celebrate one's beliefs. Nothing strange there....you'll find that in every religion, just done differently. I think it is difficult to neatly categorize those with Pagan beliefs. As Punkin said, many people lean toward their heritage and therefore classify themselves as Celtic, Druidic, Norske, etc. I lean toward Celtic and identify with their heirarchy because that is where my roots are.

So, even though I've babbled my brains out here, I probably still haven't answered your question. :) I, too, would suggest that you begin with your heritage as a starting point and select books that deal with it.

katrinabgood
10-26-2002, 12:05 PM
Wildfire...

That was so interesting...So much there that I identify with. Thanks to all for all the info...I may have found the way to my "true path." Off to Barnes & Noble today, to see what i can find.

barefootgrrrl
10-26-2002, 02:40 PM
Wildfire - your story is amazing and so are you :goodvibes


Kat - please let us know what you find :)


Ever since I got started in all of this, it's just been one big exhale after another. I always felt like the weird one because I too get incredibly moved by all things natural. I've kept it to myself because of the looks I've gotten when I try to explain the sheer thrill of strong winds, sheets of midnight rain, big waves lapping at my feet, morning mist and yes, an incredibly beautiful harvest moon.

Terri

Wanttolosealot
10-26-2002, 04:02 PM
Oh Terri,
I just have to share with you the frost this morning. Now that I know you will not laugh me off the planet. I let the dogs out for their pee in the morning, and it was still dark. The ground, cars and everything outside was covered in a heavy, beautiful, silvery thick frost. It was clear and crisp and oh so quiet. As I stood there in my jammies, freezing, I thought, this is really beautiful. Took a deep breath and filled my lungs with clean, fresh air.
Virginia

barefootgrrrl
10-26-2002, 05:56 PM
Virginia- yes....... you know the feeling too :) ok, so we're not alone, or nuts.......well, maybe tilting at windmills :lol:

The scene you describe reminds me of the "Silver" poem in the Poetry thread. I sometimes get up early before everyone else just to enjoy those kinds of moments :)

How are you girlfriend, anyway? Did you go to that womyn friendly place in Moncton yet? Curious minds want to know! :lol:

My husband is out of town visiting his mother for the weekend, so my daughter and me are here having a girls' weekend - tonight we're going to see the movie "White Oleander"

Talk to you soon, Love, Ter

Wanttolosealot
10-26-2002, 06:45 PM
That sounds nice Terri. No we have not go to Moncton yet, our Tatoo date is November 16 which is her birthday, so we are going to make a day and night out of it. Should be lots of fun! Really looking forward to it. She is sick right now however, so I hope she will be feeling like going then. She has a bad kidney infection. No fun!
Have a great time with you daughter. and let me know what you think of the movie.
Big hugs!
Virginia

mauvaisroux
10-27-2002, 10:05 PM
Wildfire-that was an amazing story! Thanks for sharing that with us. :)

Funny, my parents really believe in the occult, magic and mysticism. When I was a kid my Mum told me to never play with a Ouija board as it was not a toy or game. My parents never said that it was evil but did say that you could open a door to unfriendly spirits and that it was best not too mess around with them if you didn't know what you were doing. To this day I have never experimented with one.

My parents have always been opened minded about spirituality, religion and philosophy and encouraged me to be the same. I feel that in the last few years I have lost touch with the spirituality that I had and need to find it again. Conventional churches and organized religion do not work for me. I will probably be looking into the Celtic path as I am Scottish.

My weird story:
:fr:

When my parents lived in Scotland they belonged to a Spiritualist Church which had weekly meetings. They would sometimes have a guest medium in who would pick people out of the group randomly for a reading. One time my parents were both picked and were told that the medium's spirit guide was a Native Indian from Canada. The Spirit's name was Black Goose. They were told that they were going to go on a journey across the water and live by the Spirit's birthplace along a great river. Years later, they got maried and moved to Canada and lived along a river. What is even more weird is that when I was really young (3 or 4 years old) I would talk to my imaginary friend. My Mum overheard me one day and asked who I was talking to, I told her it was my friend "Black Goose". She wigged out as I had no way of knowing who that was and my parents hadn't talked about the experience with the medium for years even with each other. :yikes:


And Virginia, we would never laugh you off the planet :goodvibes

mauvaisroux
10-30-2002, 09:00 PM
Hello everyone :wave:

If anyone has some books to suggest that would be great!

I went to Chapters today and between the "Kitchen Witch" series,
purple faux suede covered books, "Where to Park Your Broomstick", "40 Sexy Spells" and some book on Urban witches that claims to be able to teach you how to cast spells with ordinary items that you find on the sidewalk (EWWW! I live downtown, who knows what is on the sidewalk and where it came from) the whole Wiccan/Pagan book perusing was a frustrating experience. :p

I am looking more for books that focus on the spiritual side and maybe explaining the rituals if any one has any to recommend.

I haven't found the Wicca for Dummies yet.

flower
10-30-2002, 09:32 PM
Mauvaisroux- there is a Wicca for Dummies or something like that. I have it. There is a Pagan for Dummies too. {I would tell you the exact title but all my books are still in boxes in storage til I find a house} The book is actually quite informative for a beginner who wants to learn in simplified terms. A good stepping stone for the more serious books.

I also like the book "Everyday Magic"... You can find some titles in the library if you live in a big enough city. Then you can read without getting carried away. There are tons of books out there and some are a complete waste of money! Some authors are so dry, you will only end up skimming it and it will just become a dusty book on a shelf. I have several of those.

I am not allowing the boys to trick or treat this year. I think we will have a healthy feast and a night of family games. Tomorrow night will be a solo ritual to say goodbye to the old year and hello to a new one. It is time for a new emotional start! I will try to talk to my late husband and see if he can give me any new insights on why his 12 year old son is being so difficult!!!! Then a hot bath and a good night sleep. This ex Vegas girl is not used to these cold nights. It is only going to be 18 tonight!!!! ~flower

barefootgrrrl
10-31-2002, 10:31 AM
Happy Halloween or Samhain to all our pagan friendly chicks


:)


Terri

flower
10-31-2002, 12:00 PM
Happy Samhain and All Hallows Eve!!!!

ginya
10-31-2002, 12:19 PM
while I know precious little about this topic, I do understand some of the concepts, after all, wern't many of the Christian rituals copies from the Druids...and I know this type of topic can get people upset and freaked out, but I believe that they are all connected.

A while ago, when the crystal craze hit, and everyone was sporting a necklace of some form, I wanted on. My christian friends said,'are you nuts...sign of a false god, paganisim...bla bla bla' to me, it is actual proof of a higher, more creative power. A tangible, touchable piece of evidence of something that believes in beauty.
we can all call it what we want, and give it a gender, if that makes us comfortable. We can bow to it, burn incensense, light candles, pray (or not) and show our respect in many ways. But to me, we are all part of the same cosmic stew, a people guided by our internal needs. I call mine Christian, though am totally burned out by mans perversion of the orginized church. You call yours something else, but we all believe in the same goodness instilled in each of us, to be shared and nurtured through connecting together. the Native american belief system seems very natural and wonderful, and some Buddist concepts are very insightful (and how we all could bennifit from controlling desire) so in a sense, we are all one.
The danger is when it overpowers our minds and makes us blow up buildings and take innocent lives...(Christian fundamentalist blowing up abortion clinics are just as much terriorist as the el Quida) So, enjoy your holiday, be one with your beliefs, fellowship with your people and strengthen your spiritual bonds that bring peace and harmony to the planet...we need it!

Punkinseed
10-31-2002, 01:21 PM
Crap, books - I forgot to list some books.... I swear I go home and *whoosh* there go all the ideas/things to do that I had while I was at work! :rolleyes: TOMARROW!!!!

Happy Samhain to those of the Pagan persuasion!

Yes Ginya, a LOT of the Christian holidays were originally from an earth based culture which later became coined as "Pagan" (non-Christian). When the time came to do the mass converting, they took the holidays of the "heathens", tweaked em a bit, put a different spin on it and voila, it's now a Christian holiday!

Yule is a perfect example - for Pagans it's the Winter solstice, or the birth of the new sun (the days start getting longer). For Christians it's the birth of Jesus, the son of God (get it? son, sun?). No, no coincedence... Ditto for Ostara/Oestrara which Christians call Easter. A major fertility holiday (hence the eggs and rabbits). For Pagans it's a symbol of the rebirth of Earth, plants wake up from their winter sleep and wildlife generally has their offspring. Easter (Christianity) is the celebration of Jesus being reborn, or resurrected.
Yes, even Halloween (Samhain, Pagan new year, the celebrations in the old times went from the eve of 10/31-11/2). Christians dubbed it "All Saints Eve" (Nov. 1st being All Saints Day). So Christians are celebrating and remembering the saints (of course decessed, it's a requirement) of their faith that meant so much to them. Pagans take Samhain as a day to remember those in our lives that we loved that have passed because it's believed that the veil between the worlds is at its' thinnest on this day. LOL! Ya see a patern?

Stuff like this is why it always frosts my cookies when people fight over religion. We're all celebrating the same thing. "My God, your God" no - it's all the same - essentially we're all on rivers flowing from the same lake.

Anyway (that got lengthy didn't it?), happy Halloween and Samhain to everyone!!

Terri

mauvaisroux
10-31-2002, 03:10 PM
Happy Samhaim to all you pagan alternachicks:wizard:

Thanks for the info flower:)

I have been reading books on religion and philosophy since I was a kid, courtesy of my bookworm parents. A lot of religions have a lot of good beleifs and ideas, I guess you just have to find the one that is right for you. I think it is great that all the Chicks on this forum are so open minded :grouphug: to you all

Sojourner
10-31-2002, 07:36 PM
I definitely respect everyone's spiritual path but I don't think all religions or religious beliefs or spirituality are all the same. That just doesn't logically make sense, especially since each belief system makes different claims about the existance and nature of God. I know this is the pagan thread but I just wanted to throw in that not ALL Christians are conservative, close-minded, right wing fanatics. Yes, unfortunately, there are plenty but I think it is so easy to stereotype people and groups (not that anyone here was doing that). Anyway, I just felt compelled to share that most people don't really understand the basics of the Christian faith that are rooted in the teachings of Christ and the significance of his experience on earth. I consider myself a Christian who doesn't really have all the answers, however, I do know that offering my faith in God and turning to the life of Jesus has changed my life forever.

Anyway, not trying to proselytize, just sharing a few of my thoughts with all you dear friends! :)

Sojourner
11-02-2002, 01:41 PM
Gosh, I hope I didn't offend anyone by posting on the pagan thread. I was just sharing my thoughts because I was nervous that I would be lumped into some sort of crazy close-minded Christian category. Please, continue your discussion and understand that my thoughts should in no way be inferred as a judgment about anyone and their beliefs... just sharing my approach to spirituality as were others.

katrinabgood
11-02-2002, 02:50 PM
um...not to get off the topic...which is fascinating, all perspectives...but I just wanted to respond to flower...

That 12 year old you have there? He's being difficult for just that reason...he's 12! (But I hope you got a chance to communicate with your late husband, anyway) Your version of Halloween sounds lovely.

Stay warm!

barefootgrrrl
11-02-2002, 07:06 PM
Hope you all enjoyed the holiday. I was thinking about you all :)

Mauvais - that story is the kind that gives me chill bumps...wow, it is just......I don't know the word - neat?

I know this may sound a little out there......but it might be interesting all these years later to visit another medium sometime to see if Black Goose has any more messages for you....

Sojo - I found your post interesting. Please continue posting here - I think we're all open minded and tolerant enough to know there are many paths and we all benefit from learning about each other's beliefs and points of view. This reminds me of a discussion I had after 9/11 last year. A group of us were puzzled that the actions of that day seemed so inconsistent with the actual teachings of Islam. I've always known there were extremists within any religious organization, but it really hit home that day - that we must keep our generalizations in check. One of the things I admire about Paganism is the belief that you don't hold an entire group responsible for the actions of a few, which is why the Catholic church scandal is so painful to watch. Many of us have known wonderful priests and to paint them all with the same brush...... in any event, I'll stop now. Please stay in our discussion - it's much more interesting that most of my day-to-day conversations: time-to-get-tires-changed-need-to-vacuum-forgot-to-buy-toothpaste :) hmmm. sounds like my to-do list.

Take Care - Terri

flower
11-02-2002, 07:41 PM
I went a new age store today for a smudging stick. (wound up sage). I wanted it for a house I am moving into next month as the occupant is an alchoholic. I wanted to remove all traces of the renters. Anyways, this is a small town and she didn't have any to sell. She gave me her own one. The only one she had! Things like this restore my faith in human nature! :) She said to return it if theres any left, but don't worry about it if I use it up.

As for my communication with my late husband...it went well. No answers but I feel better. As for my 12 year old... time will tell if I am making the right decisions in his up bringing. He is trying my patience!!!

Wanttolosealot
11-02-2002, 09:35 PM
You girls are such an interesting bunch. I love hearing about everyones beliefs and "spiritual walks". I was Christianed (spelling?) as a child Protestant United, later joined the Baptist church, even went to a Bible College, which was not at all for me. When we had children we were living in a community where there was again a United Church so we moved our membership there, which by name only we still belong. It has been years since we have entered the church. And years since I have given religion any thought.
Now, with all the talk on Paganism, I find myself drawn to learning about it. It sounds so interesting and wholesome and loving. Not political and cynical. Not all churches are like that I know. Some churches very much make you feel at home. It just that I am not sure what I truely believe anymore.
I think I will go to my library on Monday and see if they have anything on Paganism, I doubt it. Small town! Oh well I will search the web too, and learn from all of your wonderful discussions. Keep them coming everyone.
Virginia

mauvaisroux
11-03-2002, 08:50 PM
Sojo- I'm sure that no one here is offended by your post. I myself have a Christian friend who I have known since we were in grade school. She is not a zealot or uber-religious but she does have her beliefs and attends church regularly. I have different beliefs than her but we are still friends and our differences in religion don't affect our relationship.

I am going by my own experiences with various organizations. I have been to Anglican, Presbyterian, United, and Roman Catholic churches, I have studied Hindu philosphies, Bhudism and even Scientology! I found that they all had some good ideas but I objected to some of thier other teachings or something has happened with the actual people in the organization that put me off.

Please keep posting as this is a thread on discussing idealogy and sharing information so any input is great :D

Punkinseed
11-11-2002, 11:18 AM
Better late than never!

Ok, a few of these books are from an archaological perspective since my religious leanings are more toward the religion of my ancestors than of Wicca, which is a revamped religion spun off of an ancient religion. Wicca was born in the 50's with beliefs created by a man named Gardner.

~Sourcebook of World Religions - Joel Beversluis
~Circle Round - Starhawk, Hill & Baker
~Encyclopedia of Witches and Witchcraft - Guiley
~The Complete Idiots Guide to Wicca & Witchcraft - Zimmerman & Gleason
~Witchcraft, Theory & Practice - DeAngeles
~When God Was A Woman - Merlin Stone
~Myth of the Female Divine - Lemming & Page
~Anything by the late Scott Cunningham

mauvaisroux
11-11-2002, 11:58 AM
Thanks for the list Punkin! :wizard:

barefootgrrrl
11-13-2002, 05:19 PM
yes Punkin thanks!


Now back to my......

"double bubble, toil and trouble" ..er, umm..... something like that :lol:

Terri

VelvetCyberpunk
11-16-2002, 04:05 AM
Ok, I have to put in my two cents. I am a mouthy sort don't ya know. While I am a Christian, I have always been facinated by, and respected pagans a great deal. I think that we all have to follow our own spiritual path, and I think that we should respect everyone's religious/spiritual beliefs. They are beautiful, and personal parts of all of our lives. Besides I like to tell any uptight dogmatic Christians that the next time they decorate their Christmas tree, or hide their Easter eggs they'd better stop and remember that these traditions were taken directly from our pagan brothers and sisters to "entice" the pagans to come over to Christianity. Look, we all have to live together, we might as well get along, and love each other, the way we're doing it now doesn't seem to be working out for us. Peace. I'm out.

barefootgrrrl
11-16-2002, 04:57 PM
:goodvibes


Amen

Punkinseed
11-18-2002, 11:08 AM
VelvetC - you should'a warned me! I almost had coffee coming out my nose reading your post!
I don't believe, in the 15 years or so that I've known to call my beliefs "Pagan", that I've ever heard a Christian say that they acknowledge those things (decorating trees and Easter eggs) as being Pagan in origin. Nope, never... usually any Pagan resemblances to Christianity are denied, ignored or called coincedence.

If the world had more open minded, all-religion loving/accepting people like you, we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are in today...

Bless you,

Terri :wizard:

mauvaisroux
11-18-2002, 12:38 PM
You said it Punkinseed! :cool:

Wanttolosealot
11-18-2002, 02:10 PM
Amen Punkinseed! You said a mouthful girl!
Virginia

ellis
11-18-2002, 07:27 PM
Velvet, here's another Christian who's in complete agreement with you. :yes:

Listen, when our daughter was six, someone told me we were bad parents for not letting our daughter believe in Santa Claus (personal choice... we just do the Jesus' birthday thing, but I have NO objection to other people "doing Santa"). Easter rolls around, and what does she buy her six year old son? A BB-gun!!!
Give me strength!

I've got a sister-in-law who is a hard-core born again Christian. She informed me that my first love; who committed suicide, was "burning in ****". And that our mutual sister-in-law; who is gay and whom I love dearly, will also "burn in ****". Don't you just love these "loving Christians"?

You know, all I ask is that people be nice. I don't give a damn who or what they worship. :D

dentrassi
11-18-2002, 10:19 PM
I couldn't agree more!!!!!

Wanttolosealot
11-19-2002, 07:51 AM
Sing it sister Ellis!
I am with you on that one
Virginia

mauvaisroux
11-20-2002, 10:23 AM
Polytheism~ belief in more than one god

Works for me :)

Lamorgan
11-20-2002, 10:54 AM
I started on my Pagan journey in 1994? For years I simply read and read, everything about witches and the goddess, pagans, anything. I joined a woman's coven in 1998 (out of the UU church in Hamilton) and was quite involved in the feminist/goddess pagan path for 2 years, and then slowly found myself withdrawing into myself, the coven and the relationships were not meeting my needs. For the past year I have simply been what I consider an Earth Pagan. I have also become more involved with sacred circle dance, and I like being in circles with men, dancing with them and having thier energy present. Lately, I think I like the energy of men more than women.

Sometimes I think I'm a Zen Pagan.

Adding to the confusion...

Lois / Lamorgan