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dayoneagain
06-06-2010, 07:23 AM
I'll try to keep this short and sweet:

- My good friend is having a small gathering for her birthday which is going to involve copious amounts of drinking.

- I am going to drink because she will be offended otherwise, and to be honest we love to party together. I did think of saying I was on antibiotics or something so had to stay sober, but I am moving away soon and want to make something of her birthday.

- I want to know drinks that are better in this situation, where I want my drinks to last a looooong time so I drink less overall and also to be low in calories.

- I can't drink vodka.

- I know what I should do is suck it up and not drink, but I know when put into the real situation I won't do that, so I want a realistic back-up plan so I don't jump off the wagon.

Any advice, top tips, ideas, lectures, welcome....


grrrkgrrrl
06-06-2010, 07:34 AM
a good tip is to alternate between drinks,

aka: 1 gin with diet soda, then just have a plain diet soda, then another gin, then another diet soda. i doubt anyone will notice :D

paris81
06-06-2010, 09:23 AM
I think that red wine is easy to drink slowly, which is a good. Also, beer is pretty filling, and the same amount of calories as a mixed drink, so that's a good option unless there's an ingrediant in beer that's a problem for you.

And I would drink one or even two glasses of water for every alcoholic beverage. This will also keep you full, and will help with the hydration problems.


cookinmary
06-06-2010, 11:51 AM
Go with light beer. There is on Miller 55, kinda watered down but only 55 calories.

mom with issues
06-06-2010, 12:02 PM
I also agree with the idea of alternating drinks with water. Or just drink a lot of water before drinking alcohol. I have done this and it helps.

That said, I had a drinking problem before I started dieting. I would drink a few times a week and get pretty drunk. I always drank at home and NEVER when I was driving. If someone else was driving it was almost an invitation to get drunk.

Since I started my new way of eating (thats really what I consider it) I have stopped drinking. I really had no problem stopping and I have not missed it at all. Wanting to keep my calories down and be healthier have definately done it. I have, however, had 2 occasions where I wanted to drink. One time I did the water thing and stayed pretty sober so it worked well. The other time was a situation where I totally let go. I found that I did gain weight, but most of it is because I was retaining water from the alcohol and after about 3 day I returned to my previous weight. I'm not saying that this is what you should do or that the same thing will happen for you. I'm just telling my story.

I also think that "letting go" once in a while isn't a bad thing. I am allowed 2 "cheat meals" a week, but I usually choose not to take them becuase I want to stay on track. Its what "you choose" and don't worry about it.

Renwomin
06-06-2010, 12:27 PM
I want to say to just stand up to your friend, but I understand this is a hard situation.

I'm definitely with grrrkgrrl. If I were in your shoes I would drink something that allowed me to go back and forth between a mixed drink and plain diet coke without anyone being the wiser. Do you like the flavor of coconut? Malibu Rum/ Parrot Bay Rum is only about 65 calories an ounce is good with diet coke in my opinion. Or regular rum would work as well! If you get all your drinks with a wedge of lemon or lime it will look even more like a mixed drink. :D

If you wanted to drink wine you could stretch the calories with a white wine spritzer which is a combination of wine and club soda (or other carbonated beverage). Each ounce of wine is only 20 calories. A light wine spritzer with 2 ounces of wine and seltzer would be only 40 calories!

Another deceptive switch off would be club soda with lemon or lime. A lot of people get club soda as a mixer. I'm not sure if you will like the taste of it but it does look like a mixed drink!

Stay away from full calorie soda, fruit juice (unless it is a splash), and super sweet or cream liquors.

Whatever you do make friends with the bartender! I would have a nice discussion with him or her and let them know you really are trying to watch your calories. Ask them what they have that is low cal. If you are doing mixed drinks ask them to go light on the alcohol in yours and alternate every one with a non-alcohol drink. (Just in case you get in the dreaded situation where everyone is buying another round.) If you hand them a nice tip ahead of time ($5 would be good in many places), they will take care of you. Make sure you tip them if they do take care of you!

Here is a link to a page that has a lot of calorie counts for different alcohol at a glance:
http://recipecircus.com/recipes/awsum34/TIDBITS---You-Need-To-Know/Beer.html

Also a link from Hungry Girl with tips on saving calories while drinking
http://www.hungry-girl.com/week/weeklydetails.php?isid=1736

elisaannh
06-06-2010, 01:43 PM
Before drinking, I always eat a wedge of cheese or take a spoonful or two of coconut milk to coat my stomach with fat. This delays for awhile the absorption of booze in your stomach. It does not prevent getting drunk, only helps slow down the absorption a bit. As other have suggested, alternate drinks with water or soda pop. Sipping no more than one or two drinks in a full hour will also help from getting too tipsy. It's not always easy to realize how much you are consuming once the party gets started, but if you stay aware, you're way ahead. Good luck and have fun!

luciddepths
06-06-2010, 02:37 PM
order a rum and diet coke.. a tall!

luciddepths
06-06-2010, 02:39 PM
Oh also another trick of mine is to only bring enough money for like 3 drinks! and i leave my debit/credit card in the car... and just take a 20$ bill or whatever.. when i think of it like this, i drink alot slower

Lori Bell
06-06-2010, 02:44 PM
I don't really see a problem with having a few drinks with your friend for her birthday, but, if you are any thing like me, after a few drinks I'm about 100X's more likely to say WTF when it comes to the chips, pizza, birthday cake, and all the other party food that will be offered. I'd say that if you are dead set on drinking be prepared for a pretty substantial gain....maybe even up to the amount you have lost. I guess it all boils down to what is most important in your life. Good luck, and if you do drink, please don't drive. Have fun.

sacha
06-06-2010, 03:14 PM
x2 on the rum & diet coke.

What types of alcohol do you like? That will help us give you some great ideas :)

Is this at a bar, or at a house party?

girlonfire
06-06-2010, 03:35 PM
Gin and diet tonic. Or diet cranberry juice. Maybe some light Mike's hard?

rockinrobin
06-06-2010, 04:21 PM
I kinda agree with Lori, but than again, I'm 46 years old and probably have a different perspective.

*For me*, I was done taking chances. I wanted the weight off sooooo badly that I wasn't willing to take a chance and try sneaking in some alcohol. Never mind the empty calories, but my resolve flies out the window AND it could then be weeks or months before I'd even ATTEMPT a healthy lifestyle. For me, like your name mentions - I didn't want to have to start "day one again". I'd been that route too many times. In situations such as the one you describe, I personally decided that for the time being alcohol would have to go on the back burner. I made my health, getting off the weight - a NIMBER ONE PRIORITY. There is no alcohol shortage. It will always be around. At a later date, at another time. But for me, when I was in the losing portion of my journey - drinks were pretty much off limits - especially so early in the game as your journey appears to be.

I personally could not risk the chance any more - but of course, of course, of course - we are all different. Maybe you CAN control the amount of drinking and the food eaten there after and maybe you'll be able to get right back into healthy mode.

shoeluver67
06-06-2010, 06:47 PM
i have heard that Bacardi and DIET coke isn't too horrid...both are pretty low when it comes to the carbs. at least that is what i keep telling myself. haha!

dayoneagain
06-06-2010, 07:18 PM
Thanks for your replies everyone! :)

a good tip is to alternate between drinks

I will definitely do this, because it's in a bar so I will be able to get up and get what I want when nobody else is going to the bar. I will probably just order a rum and diet coke if there is someone with me and a plain diet coke when I can sneak up on my own :D

Oh also another trick of mine is to only bring enough money for like 3 drinks! and i leave my debit/credit card in the car... and just take a 20$ bill or whatever.. when i think of it like this, i drink alot slower

That's a great idea! And a great excuse to tell my friends too, if they ask why I'm being so slow haha...


I don't really see a problem with having a few drinks with your friend for her birthday, but, if you are any thing like me, after a few drinks I'm about 100X's more likely to say WTF when it comes to the chips, pizza, birthday cake. I guess it all boils down to what is most important in your life. Good luck, and if you do drink, please don't drive. Have fun.

I definitely don't drive if I've had even one drink and the thought of it makes me feel very uneasy. I am usually ok with avoiding food after a few drinks, but more than a few is where I hit trouble. So if I alternate my drinks I should be able to stay within the sensible range :)


In situations such as the one you describe, I personally decided that for the time being alcohol would have to go on the back burner

I know you are right. I think because I have just decided to get serious about this (again) today it seems unfair on my friend that it just so happens to be the week before her birthday. I am definitely going to have rules in place for myself so I stick to my plan and don't go stupid though.


x2 on the rum & diet coke.
What types of alcohol do you like? That will help us give you some great ideas :)
Is this at a bar, or at a house party?

I'm not really too fussy with my drinks which is what makes it so hard to choose!! It'll be in a bar so that does limit me a little. I always get nervous that they will give me regular coke instead of diet by mistake...or on purpose because they think it;s funny... but that's just my paranoia kicking in! lol

Lori Bell
06-06-2010, 08:19 PM
- I am going to drink because she will be offended otherwise, and to be honest we love to party together. I did think of saying I was on antibiotics or something so had to stay sober, but I am moving away soon and want to make something of her birthday...



I just have to ask this question, I guess I'm nosey...lol :o

You say your friend will be offended if you don't drink, so if she orders one of those big plates of fat laden bar nachos, and a big fried up combo plate, will she be offended if you don't eat too? What will you do then? Will you go ahead and offend her then, or just eat up? :D (Just curious)

dayoneagain
06-07-2010, 03:44 AM
Umm, it's quite difficult to explain.

I guess it's that we have spent a lot of our time in bars and at parties together in the last year or so and for me to choose her birthday weekend to decide not to drink seems a bit unfair. I guess my past bad behaviour regarding sticking to healthy eating has put me in this position. We always talk about eating healthily, but alcohol has never really come into it before.

I'm trying to step up my game now, but it's bad timing as she would feel me choosing not to drink at her birthday (when the last time we had drinks was Friday night just gone) would be a reflection on her.

rockinrobin
06-07-2010, 08:25 AM
Umm, it's quite difficult to explain.

I guess it's that we have spent a lot of our time in bars and at parties together in the last year or so and for me to choose her birthday weekend to decide not to drink seems a bit unfair. I guess my past bad behaviour regarding sticking to healthy eating has put me in this position. We always talk about eating healthily, but alcohol has never really come into it before.

I'm trying to step up my game now, but it's bad timing as she would feel me choosing not to drink at her birthday (when the last time we had drinks was Friday night just gone) would be a reflection on her.



I'm sorry, but I find this to be - bizarre. UNFAIR? UNFAIR? How is your choosing to be health conscious unfair to anyone else? Your past behavior is not relevant to your CURRENT behavior. What you put into your body or what you don't put into your body is no ones decision but your own and you should not let anyone else influence that decision. What you ingest is ZERO reflection on anyone else.

Bad timing? How could it EVER be bad timing to rid yourself of chemicals and fat? When would it be good timing? When will there EVER be a stretch of time with no events in it or no Friday's in it? There are always celebrations and always reasons to drink/overeat - someones' birthday, a job promotion, a job lost, a boyfriend lost, an anniversary, the weekend, 4th of July, 12th of June - makes no difference.

I'm afraid if you don't start making the decisions that are best for YOU, you may have a hard time progressing in this healthy lifestyle.

You will find when you are feeling good about yourself and the choices that you make, and when you are more fit (& heck yeah,, wearing smokin' clothes), you won't NEED alcohol/food for your entertainment and in order to have a good time. You'll feel so good about what you're accomplishing, the increase in your energy level & confidence level that you won't have to rely on outside forces.

You will find that discipline, telling yourself no, is not a bad thing - but a good thing. I love this quote from Julie Andrews of all people - " Some people regard discipline as a chore. For me, it is a kind of order that sets me free to fly."

lucky8
06-07-2010, 08:43 AM
I can understand where your coming form but you should never feel presured in to drinking.

There is nothing worng with pacing yourself , go for soft drinks in between drinks .....or cheat and have non alcoholic cocktails shed never know.

I have the same issue somethimes , i like to ban the booze as i have a more effective weightloss when i bin it. However nights out will crop up, i have one coming up soon and my plan is to drink coke inbetween and keep to a low cal drink, and where i can get a non alcohol cocktail.

I have went out many times and drank soft drinks and water was sheer will power , but it felt so liberating to know actually i can be a sober party girl and actually i dont need alcohol to give me confidence 2 dance and socialise. Try it , sounds boaring but after your night out u feel so great and uve worked out by dancing and theres no dreaded hangover in the morning.

Im certainly going to try and get that will power back as im getting to old to get hammered :D

synger
06-07-2010, 12:39 PM
Personally, I like bourbon and soda. Tall. And I nurse it.

Mahalia
06-07-2010, 12:50 PM
This is a hard situation. I've been recently trying to stick to just one drink when I drink, and the best strategy I've found is alternating with non-alcohol drinks, like others suggested. If you have your first drink on a mostly empty stomach, you will feel it immediately, then follow that with (my favorite) club soda with a splash of cranberry juice and a slice of lime. People always think it's a drink, and I often find I don't want another by the time I've finished that one.

Good luck. We can't all live in caves until the weight comes off. These real life situations are important to struggle with. You are building healthy living skills for the rest of your life!

bargoo
06-07-2010, 01:52 PM
I gave up drinking and when I am out I order 7Up or coke or sometimes plain tonic with a twist , and nobody cares ! They are not offended and in fact may not even notice. And I have a good time, too.

EmusGlitter
06-07-2010, 02:00 PM
I have to agree with rockinrobin here...

You are HALFWAY to your mini goal!!! (congrats btw) We all know how much work goes into losing even ONE lb. I am sure, if she is your REAL friend, that she will understand your health comes first. I think it should be more important that you are there to celebrate with her. Celebrate doesn't entail drinking.

I think it all boils down to this question: what is more important to you?

SCraver
06-07-2010, 03:54 PM
Umm, it's quite difficult to explain.

I guess it's that we have spent a lot of our time in bars and at parties together in the last year or so and for me to choose her birthday weekend to decide not to drink seems a bit unfair. I guess my past bad behaviour regarding sticking to healthy eating has put me in this position. We always talk about eating healthily, but alcohol has never really come into it before.

I'm trying to step up my game now, but it's bad timing as she would feel me choosing not to drink at her birthday (when the last time we had drinks was Friday night just gone) would be a reflection on her.

I have to jump in and say that I TOTALLY understand what you are saying. People say you can have just as much fun without booze as with it. I do and I don't agree. I think booze is fun, but it is not the only thing that is fun. I enjoy the uninhibited conversations that come from tongues relaxed with alcohol... but I also like to remember those conversations in the morning.

I do agree with PP's that it is YOUR choice what you do or do not put into your body. But this is also about making lifestyle changes that you can live with forever. I believe moderation is really key. To never drink again is not something to would suit me. I can strictly limit myself, but I would be sad to never be able to enjoy a glass of wine with my mom, a beer with my friend Kate, or a mixed drink on the dock at the lake.

I find that Seltzer and Club soda are my friend. Cut wine with seltzer, cut mixed drinks with Club.

You could even ask the bartender to make your drinks weak. That way you can have a wee bit of booze, but not go all out.

And like PP's have said- do one drink, one water, one drink, one water, etc.

duckyyellowfeet
06-07-2010, 04:14 PM
I understand what you mean about your friend. My bestie and I were always talking about being healthy. Any time I would have success before, she would intentionally make things more difficult for me, as she was reminded of her own failures whenever I had success.

I love vanilla vodka and diet coke. Or diet redbull and vodka (although this isn't a particularly good drink for you at all). If the bar has diet seltzer or Sprite Zero, a mojito isn't a horrible option either.

My grandfather told me this to avoid getting too drunk in bars, but I think it works for you too. Make friends with the bartender early. Then, every time your drink gets to about 2/3s empty, have him refill it with just your low-calorie mixer (diet coke, diet cranberry juice, etc). By the end, your drink will just be diet coke, no one will have any idea that you're not drinking alcohol and you avoid the extra calories.

rockinrobin
06-07-2010, 04:18 PM
I have to jump in and say that I TOTALLY understand what you are saying. People say you can have just as much fun without booze as with it. I do and I don't agree. I think booze is fun, but it is not the only thing that is fun. I enjoy the uninhibited conversations that come from tongues relaxed with alcohol... but I also like to remember those conversations in the morning.

I do agree with PP's that it is YOUR choice what you do or do not put into your body. But this is also about making lifestyle changes that you can live with forever. I believe moderation is really key. To never drink again is not something to would suit me. I can strictly limit myself, but I would be sad to never be able to enjoy a glass of wine with my mom, a beer with my friend Kate, or a mixed drink on the dock at the lake.

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Yes, the key IS moderation. But here's the thing - many folks can't or won't drink moderately. And than many folks can't or won't EAT moderately after drinking and very often their health (weight) is compromised. So for certain people, it's best not to take any chances and they don't drink at all. They can re-assess after they've either gotten to goal or have at least gained that all important control that comes further down the road. For many, it is just easier (& safer) to not drink at all.

Another thing, I found after I lost the weight, I was no longer inhibited with my words and conversation. It was amazing! I didn't need alcohol to *let loose*, speak my mind, giggle my fool head off and have a great time with my friends.

SCraver
06-07-2010, 04:50 PM
many folks can't or won't drink moderately.

But couldn't the same be said for food (as in, with no relation to booze)? Many folks can't or won't eat moderately, hence the obesity problem in the US. We don't tell people to give up eating. (I realize this is a bit extreme.)

I know that I can have one or two drinks and it won't affect my judgement. I can decide in advice to limit myself to two drinks and have no problem sticking to that. It is somewhere during the third drink where my judgement starts to sway. And it is only in my weight loss journey that I have been able to learn this about myself. I think that losing weight permanently (at least for me) is about changing thoughts and behaviors to those that suit me and also help me reach my goal.

I think it boils down to what is most important to the OP. Does she want to give up drinking to reach her goal faster or does she want to work at moderation to include drinking while she is losing?

(I hope I don't sound argumentative - I am really just curious)

time2lose
06-07-2010, 05:09 PM
SCraver originally posted But couldn't the same be said for food (as in, with no relation to booze)? Many folks can't or won't eat moderately, hence the obesity problem in the US. We don't tell people to give up eating. (I realize this is a bit extreme.)

You just can't compare doing without alcohol to doing without food. You can live without alcohol but you can't live without food.

Some people can handle alcohol and some can't. The OP will have to decide for herself. People are just trying to give some insight. After all she did say
Any advice, top tips, ideas, lectures, welcome....

SCraver
06-07-2010, 05:16 PM
You just can't compare doing without alcohol to doing without food. You can live without alcohol but you can't live without food.

Some people can handle alcohol and some can't. The OP will have to decide for herself. People are just trying to give some insight. After all she did say

Sorry... I was just trying to gain a little more insight on this topic.

Beverlyjoy
06-07-2010, 05:20 PM
I really like your idea of saying you're on an antibiotic and can't drink. People are much more accepting of a 'health concern' than a food or alcohol consumption change. I do something like this all the time...say I am on medication or I am watching my sugar or cholesterol - then everyone 'understands' if I don't eat or drink along with them. It is just easier.

I am alot older than you...but, I do remember partying with folks and how drinking is a big part of that. So - a splash of wine in a fizzy water can last a long time. A diet tonic and lime is tasty too.

Once the party gets hopping, I don't think people will care or notice what you do or don't drink. Unless you are all playing drinking games.

rockinrobin
06-07-2010, 05:42 PM
Cheryl (time2lose) pretty much covered how I would respond to SCraver, so I won't address that.

I apologize in advance if I am off base here and I know that I very well may be.

I wonder, when we think (say) that we are going to *offend* someone by turning down alcohol (or birthday cake for that matter), are we really just looking for an excuse TO drink (or eat). Just a thought, like I said, I could be waaay off base.

And I personally would not say that I was on anti-biotics. That can lead to further discussion and then you'll have to explain why and it could get messy. Although I'd have no problem saying that "I don't know, I'm gonna pass for tonight, I'm not feeling 100%" or something like that.

duckyyellowfeet
06-07-2010, 06:24 PM
The antibiotics excuse can get messy. I used it once on a friend who I just refuse to drink with any longer when she wouldn't stop pressuring me about drinking. She pushed it farther and I just said "I have a yeast infection. Do you really want to hear any more about it?". Which successfully ended the conversation ;) So just be prepared to have a back-up plan

luciddepths
06-07-2010, 07:00 PM
HAHAHaha ducky, thats funny.

Really, when i don't want to drink, i still go out, i still socialize, i may have ONE drink. If i feel like it.. if i don't, i don't. I don't understand why its a big deal. If you are really that "paranoid" about your friend feeling down about you not drinking, just go to the bar and order a diet drink with a lime on the side with no alcohol. People think you are drinking, but your not.


also one thing i've noticed in this weight loss journey (as short as mine has been...) is alcohol = weight gain. NOT worth it in my mind anymore. But i think one drink would be ok, more than that for me anyway = weight gain.

lucysam77
06-07-2010, 11:46 PM
you know for me quit drinking at all is so hard:o... because my husband likes to drink on saturdays so I always kept my bottle of water with me and I drink 2 or 3 shots of rum because has less calories than other drinks! Good Luck!:cool:

Glory87
06-07-2010, 11:55 PM
Some of you guys know I was pregnant earlier this year (I had a miscarriage). While I was pregnant, I went out on a business dinner with my boss and two out of town vendors. Everyone wanted to order wine, I didn't want to make a big deal out of it (and I wasn't quite ready to tell my boss I was expecting) so I just said I was feeling kind of headachy and ordered an iced tea.

It doesn't have to be a big deal.

I happen to know that I get really really stubborn and *****y when someone tries to force me to eat/drink something I have politely declined (this happens a LOT with birthday cake at work).

Lori Bell
06-08-2010, 09:35 AM
You just can't compare doing without alcohol to doing without food. You can live without alcohol but you can't live without food.


I am a sugar/refined carb addict. Eating them to excess, (as well as drinking heavily daily) is what got me to 333 pounds. Sugar is my drug of choice and I (and anyone else in this world) can live without it for their entire life. There are no essential nutrients in sugar (or white bleached flour) that you cannot find anywhere else....So yea, you can live without food...the kind that makes you fat. People just don't want to give it up. Because...well, they're addicted. :D

rockinrobin
06-08-2010, 09:47 AM
People just don't want to give it up. Because...well, they're addicted. :D

and think they can't live without it...

Till I finally realized I was barely living WITH it - I was digging my grave and though I was still alive (for the time being) my quality of life was horrendous.

I also just can't stand the thought of someone thinking that they HAVE to have something in order to please someone else. Sorry this is just wrong - IMO of course.