Weight Loss Support - *cries* please let this just be water weight...




Serbrider
05-30-2010, 02:11 PM
Ok... weighed... 219.8

:(

Last week when I weighed I was 214.4.

I didn't weigh as soon as I got up this morning... so I do have the influence of two large cups of water and one waffle (all there was for breakfast, :mad:) in me. I was expecting to take off maybe a lb because of that... But... 5 lbs worth?

I did have a bad day yesterday and the day before... but the majority of that was out of my control. I can't tell my family what to make. I can give suggestions (that was pretty much the only way I got my salad last night)... but yeah. Urgh... I'm just really upset. I've been running. I've been doing horseback riding. Yes... Friday... I ate 2700 calories. I've been kicking my butt ever since, because I didn't bother to check the calorie count of a couple things before I ate them. Yesterday was 1950 calories. But I had little control over that. I ate TINY portions of everything... and still apparently ended up with that much. Darn that pizza. 400 calories a piece? You've got to be kidding me.

But... 5 lb gain? Please let it just be water weight... or the difference between one scale and another... because... this is upsetting. *sigh* Just had to share with someone.


Onederchic
05-30-2010, 02:46 PM
I am sure you haven't put on 5 pounds of fat in a week. Calm down, stay away from the scale a bit and just stay on plan, you will be fine :D :hug:

MeganTheMushroom
05-30-2010, 02:48 PM
Don't worry about it, just keep going, it'll come off,
What is your maitenance? You must be burning a lot of calories from horse back riding and running, so don't worry too much about it


rockstar87
05-30-2010, 02:53 PM
No way you put on five pounds in a week. My weight fluctuates a lot, especially when I drink water/eat a lot of sodium. You're probably retaining. Don't look at the scale for a few days and try again when you're feeling "skinnier". I can always tells when I wake up if I'm bloated and I'm sure you can too. Wait until you're feeling really good one day and see what your weight is then. :)

It'll come off, don't worry.

m3rma1d
05-30-2010, 02:54 PM
Didn't I just read you post Today was my cheat day... hehe... (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/weight-loss-support/203089-today-my-cheat-day-hehe.html) yesterday??
So maybe it's water weight--Or maybe it's burger/Oreo shake/M&M Sonic Blast/etc/etc/2700 calories??

Get back on board, girl. :hug:

Vladadog
05-30-2010, 03:16 PM
The differences between scales can be ENORMOUS! Even highly accurate digital ones. And even a single scale can vary a bit if you move, especially if you tilt it on it's side while moving it.

Things I have learned about digital scales:

~ always use on a hard flat surface (even grouted tile can throw it off)
~ if it has been moved at all since the last time: get on, weigh, get off, weigh again. The first weight might be a "resetting itself" weight. (our fancy scale at work is always 2 to 5 pounds heavier with the "resetting" weight so wasn't I thrilled thrilled thrilled to find that out! Oh look! I lost 4.5 pounds just by reading the blasted instructions!!!)

So don't worry too much about an individual week's difference. Remember, you're in this for the long haul. If your earlier calorie estimates were at all accurate you had a deficit for the week. Also, the last two days were certainly high in sodium which contributes to water retention. And you broke the cardinal weigh in day rule - always weigh in BEFORE eating or drinking anything (every little bit helps!)

Serbrider
05-30-2010, 03:31 PM
m3rma1d... that "cheat" day... so many things I did wrong... but I ate small portions throughout. It was mainly just WHAT I ate. I was still "on track" techically... but not with WHAT I ate. I felt positive that the burger I ate was more around 400 calories. Not 850. I felt sure that the shakes were more around 300 to 400 calories... not 800 to 900. Which shows me how wrong I am... and that I should look at the info BEFORE I eat... not after. It wasn't an on purpose cheat day... or even a binge day. Not at all. Just sad sorry miscalculation on my part.

I'm actually feeling terribly bloated and nasty. I'm ready to go back to my salads and ham sandwhiches. Bleh... and I've been eating SMALL portions of all of these "sugary" and "salty" foods. Urgh... I"m ready to be away from my Grandma's house... and back to where I can actually get the foods I WANT to eat... not just what I'm given. *sigh*

MegantheMushroom... maintenance? I don't really know. Probably around 1800... if it's what I'm thinking it is. That's what I can eat without gaining right? Then around 1800 to 2000 with my height and weight. I really don't know. I feel better with the 1200 I've been eating... even if I am trying to eat a bit more.

And yeah... I meant to weigh as soon as I got up this morning... and didn't. I'll weigh again in a couple minutes a couple times just to "double check"... and then weigh again on Wednesday morning... *sigh*

I'm just really annoyed about all these high sodium, high sugar foods... because I physically don't feel good. Forget about the whole "calorie" count of them... I just don't feel good eating them.

Eliana
05-30-2010, 03:35 PM
Here's my thoughts: ;)

It is highly unlikely that you gained five pounds of fat in a week. But you did eat crap and that crap had a lot of sodium. You are more than likely retaining a good deal of water and maybe a little bit of fat.

It's obvious you're beating yourself up a bit over this. For me, that feeling is just not worth eating that way. Even when the scale is not cooperating, and it often does not, I still feel better about myself when I am eating plan.

So get back to it! ;)

Serbrider
05-30-2010, 03:57 PM
Thanks. I had one waffle this morning (like I said... all there was), but for lunch (just finished it), I had a salad and a chicken thigh (just the meat, a little bit of the skin). Didn't finish the whole chicken... or the whole salad. Just wasn't hungry.

So yeah... getting back on track... and my stomach is thanking me.


And I reweighed myself. 217.8

Little better... but even still... 3lbs... hoping it's primarily water weight.

Onederchic
05-30-2010, 03:59 PM
Thanks. I had one waffle this morning (like I said... all there was), but for lunch (just finished it), I had a salad and a chicken thigh (just the meat, a little bit of the skin). Didn't finish the whole chicken... or the whole salad. Just wasn't hungry.

So yeah... getting back on track... and my stomach is thanking me.


And I reweighed myself. 217.8

Little better... but even still... 3lbs... hoping it's primarily water weight.

You are awesome!! :hug:

Serbrider
05-30-2010, 04:03 PM
awww... thanks. :) That made me cry... I'm just... I've been running to and from the bathroom with MAJOR stomach aches ever since Friday... so yeah. Being able to eat something more "normal" and bland... my stomach is feeling a million times better. :p

MissKelly
05-30-2010, 05:20 PM
Hi, it sounds like you are definitely retaining water...and in part a gain as well. I don't want to tell you how to do anything and I'm somewhat reluctant to speak my thoughts here on this, but since you are having a difficult time, I feel I need to offer some input since I can really feel your pain and frustration...and I really do care and I am concerned. By no means am I wagging my finger at you because I have been there myself, obviously. Sometimes, we just need a strong nudge. I know I do and some people here have given it to me! ;) I have been following your posts.

It seems that a modification in what you're eating needs to come into play, as you know. Have you considered buying some Whey Protein at Target ($20) and dumping the carbs a bit (i.e. waffle, white flour products...waffles are high in carbs and low in protein)? Whatever healthy carbs you do eat, put them into your meals early in the day so your body burns them off throughout the rest of the day. The carb indulgences here and there, by what you have typed up in your posts, are what's setting you back. I'm sorry to say, but you will have to put your foot down on what your family puts in front of you to eat by explaining to them how very important fat loss is to you..or...make a decision on how much of it you are going to eat. I am taking into consideration how young you are, but remember, it's your body, your life and no one can force feed you. Eat 4-6 small meals throughout the day to keep your metabolism going. You burn calories through digestion, keep it on the go. Make a set time in the early evening (6-7pm) where you stop eating and only drink water after that.

What you put on a salad can and will hold you back (the dressing), as opposed to say...squeezing a lemon/lime over it. Salads can be very deceptive little items. Calories per teaspoon of salad dressing are insane.

Whey Protein shakes will help you with cravings and will keep you feeling FULL. We need protein also to repair and build our muscles. If you have a lack in this, you will be at great risk of your body eating away at your muscle to get the protein. (Trying to explain it in the most general terms possible here without getting "way out there.")

The sugar you are eating....it's got to GO. :( Weaning off of sugar is very hard. I went batty-dingo during the process of it. Took me about 1 month'ish to stop the cravings completely. Please consider this for your own benefit.

Cutting back to 1200-1400 cals will help you see an improvement. My scale won't budge when I go over 1400 cals and will usually only go upward to 1400 cals when I need to trick my body into resetting itself, making it believe it's not on a diet (adding these cals and increasing carbs), then when it shows it realizes this, I jump back down to 1200 (cutting the carbs, back on high proteins) and continue on. The daily calories that you are eating right now may be your maintenance calories, not the calories you need for fat loss (speaking outside of the cheat days). I don't care what charts or calculators tell you, me or anyone....charts for the most part are bullhonky and in my opinion, are practically for entertainment purposes, it seems. You're going to need to do the same thing with exercise, our bodies adapt to exercise and you will need to switch it up. All I can say is water, water, water! ~and cardio, cardio, cardio 4 to 6x a week! You *must* get your heart rate up for at least 20 minutes a day on the days that you exercise....results! Lifting some weights/strength training (with bands or weights) 2-3 days a week for 30 minutes each time will help greatly. You will not bulk up like a man, have no fear of this at all, you're not going to be doing weights like someone who is going into competition. Muscle burns fat and it will increase your metabolism, even when sitting on the couch. Riding horses is nice exercise but it's not getting your heart rate up enough to where you need it to be to burn fat. Remember, this is about fat loss, not "weight loss."

You have the desire, I see it in you. Remember that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. You are such a bright and intelligent young woman, I'm so impressed with many of the things that you post here....I only think you need a wee bit of fine tuning as you discover how your body works, as all of us go through. I cannot wait to see you punch the rut you're in square in the nose. You can do it! Incorporate some modifications, but....increase in baby steps, do not take too much on yourself all at once, do not overwhelm yourself. Be friends with your body and listen to it. It talks to you, just hear it. :hug:

DhaniCauldwell
05-30-2010, 05:36 PM
Don't beat yourself up too bad. We all fall off the boat sometimes and we have to get back in before we are eaten by a shark. You can overcome this. I know it. Good luck.

:queen: Dhani :queen:

Serbrider
05-30-2010, 08:40 PM
Disclaimer: Not trying to be upset or defensive... simply explaining a few things.

Hi, it sounds like you are definitely retaining water...and in part a gain as well. I don't want to tell you how to do anything and I'm somewhat reluctant to speak my thoughts here on this, but since you are having a difficult time, I feel I need to offer some input since I can really feel your pain and frustration...and I really do care and I am concerned. By no means am I wagging my finger at you because I have been there myself, obviously. Sometimes, we just need a strong nudge. I know I do and some people here have given it to me! ;) I have been following your posts.

It seems that a modification in what you're eating needs to come into play, as you know. Have you considered buying some Whey Protein at Target ($20) and dumping the carbs a bit (i.e. waffle, white flour products...waffles are high in carbs and low in protein)? Whatever healthy carbs you do eat, put them into your meals early in the day so your body burns them off throughout the rest of the day. The carb indulgences here and there, by what you have typed up in your posts, are what's setting you back.

This weekend has been a nightmare for me on this. But I can't relaly do much about what my grandparents feed me. You can say all you want how I need to go out and buy my food... but my family is very much "you don't eat it you're being rude". Which makes my life difficult because I'm still underage and not technically able to "make my own decisions" yet. I don't eat that many carbs on a regular basis though. I eat them in the morning... and then the most I have in carbs later in the day is whole grain bread on my ham sandwhich. Other than that it's salads, lean meats, etc. The "carb indulgences" as you call them, like the ONE waffle, the milkshakes, two muffins (I had to grab something fast on my way out the door, and they were all I had on hand) and the burger... that's ALL I've had with those. And no... they weren't good decisions... but that's not what I normally eat... and with most of them... I didn't even WANT to eat them in the first place. Like I said... my stomach was really mad at me... and I paid dearly for my little "indulgences" as you call them. My normal meals are FAR more in the category of fruits and veggies. Not breads, pastas, etc.

I'm sorry to say, but you will have to put your foot down on what your family puts in front of you to eat by explaining to them how very important fat loss is to you..or...make a decision on how much of it you are going to eat. I am taking into consideration how young you are, but remember, it's your body, your life and no one can force feed you. Eat 4-6 small meals throughout the day to keep your metabolism going. You burn calories through digestion, keep it on the go. Make a set time in the early evening (6-7pm) where you stop eating and only drink water after that.

With my immidiate family I'm fine. When I'm with my grandparents... I'm not. My mom understands. My Grandma... ehh... she'll make a salad... but the salad is FAR undermined by the meat and breaded/fried stuff, and then I get in trouble because I'm not leaving enough for other people. Which is why I did offer this afternoon to make more... and I did, and had it for lunch.

What you put on a salad can and will hold you back (the dressing), as opposed to say...squeezing a lemon/lime over it. Salads can be very deceptive little items. Calories per teaspoon of salad dressing are insane.

The dressing I had on the salad, and the only dressing I like so far (and even then, too much if it is sickening to me) is blue cheese lite... that you can get at walmart. 100 calories a tablespoon... and I eat more like half a tablespoon of it. I can't stand most dressings because they're so sour. Makes me not want to eat my salad.

Whey Protein shakes will help you with cravings and will keep you feeling FULL. We need protein also to repair and build our muscles. If you have a lack in this, you will be at great risk of your body eating away at your muscle to get the protein. (Trying to explain it in the most general terms possible here without getting "way out there.")

The thing is... I DON'T HAVE CRAVINGS. I'm not one of the typical people on here. I don't crave sugar. I don't want it. After two bites I"m already sick of it and my stomach protests as well. In the past, I would push through that nausia and keep eating it because I've been told all my life "it's good, it tastes good, you'll like it". But I don't crave sugars, or any foods... except for corn. And I have no earthly idea why I crave that. I'm not hungry either. Which is why my portions lately have been so small... because one chicken thigh fills me up. When in the past it would take me three or four... PLUS other stuff in order to "fill" me... at least mentally. Now... I've removed the mental part of it from me... and I"m just not hungry anymore. As for protein in general... I should have more of it... so I might go for protein shakes... but for more protein... not to fill me up... since I'm not hungry or craving anything.

The sugar you are eating....it's got to GO. :( Weaning off of sugar is very hard. I went batty-dingo during the process of it. Took me about 1 month'ish to stop the cravings completely. Please consider this for your own benefit.

I don't get why you're saying this. I haven't had sugar until the day before yesterday and yesterday. It's not something I'm stuffing my face with. I had that one shake... because I thought I remembered it tasted good. Tasted horrible. And then I was SO hot in the car ride... and I just HAD to cool myself down. So I got an ice cream, because everything else I tried wouldn't cool me down. It worked... but like I said... I paid dearly for it. Running to the bathroom five times in one hour with nearly explosive diahhrea... enough to make ANYONE stay away from what caused that. ;)

Cutting back to 1200-1400 cals will help you see an improvement. My scale won't budge when I go over 1400 cals and will usually only go upward to 1400 cals when I need to trick my body into resetting itself, making it believe it's not on a diet (adding these cals and increasing carbs), then when it shows it realizes this, I jump back down to 1200 (cutting the carbs, back on high proteins) and continue on. The daily calories that you are eating right now may be your maintenance calories, not the calories you need for fat loss (speaking outside of the cheat days).

Every since Sunday I've been eating around 1200 calories. A little less actually. It was ONLY friday and saturday that "set me off" of that. I'm not regularly downing 2000 or more calories a day.

I don't care what charts or calculators tell you, me or anyone....charts for the most part are bullhonky and in my opinion, are practically for entertainment purposes, it seems. You're going to need to do the same thing with exercise, our bodies adapt to exercise and you will need to switch it up. All I can say is water, water, water! ~and cardio, cardio, cardio 4 to 6x a week! You *must* get your heart rate up for at least 20 minutes a day on the days that you exercise....results! Lifting some weights/strength training (with bands or weights) 2-3 days a week for 30 minutes each time will help greatly. You will not bulk up like a man, have no fear of this at all, you're not going to be doing weights like someone who is going into competition. Muscle burns fat and it will increase your metabolism, even when sitting on the couch. Riding horses is nice exercise but it's not getting your heart rate up enough to where you need it to be to burn fat. Remember, this is about fat loss, not "weight loss."

I'm doing the C25K program (still waiting another hour to do todays'), and I've been doing horseback riding. I've been working out for at least 45 minutes sweating buckets with both of those every day... except for yesterday. I'm not just sitting on the couch doing nothing, thinking 'Oh... my fat'll go away". And don't tell me that "riding horses is nice exercise but won't get your heart rate up". Have you ever ridden a horse? I doubt it... if that's what you're telling me. Trust me. You're sweating BUCKETS by the end, out of breath, etc. This isn't a little "plod in a circle" type of pony ride. No... this is jumping, cantering, trotting for 10-20 minutes strait... HARD workouts, plus the 30 minutes I spend running around trying to catch the horse, then brush it down. It's more of a workout than you realize. I'm more out of breath after than than I am after my 45 minutes of walk/jog spent with the C25K, or after doing a set of weights. Try what you're talking about before you condemn it.

You have the desire, I see it in you. Remember that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. You are such a bright and intelligent young woman, I'm so impressed with many of the things that you post here....I only think you need a wee bit of fine tuning as you discover how your body works, as all of us go through. I cannot wait to see you punch the rut you're in square in the nose. You can do it! Incorporate some modifications, but....increase in baby steps, do not take too much on yourself all at once, do not overwhelm yourself. Be friends with your body and listen to it. It talks to you, just hear it. :hug:

Thanks... I really appreciate all of the attention and care you put into this thread. :D I'm really not trying to tell you that you're wrong... I'm simply pointing out that all of the things you've told me I'm already doing. You said you've been reading my posts... and... I'm sorry... but maybe you just weren't reading the "right" ones... because Friday and yesterday are not at all examples of how I'm normally eating and exercising. Not in the slightest. ;) I'm not really in a rut... unless you think that the fact that my grandma just won't make anything but fatty foods to be a rut. I do listen to my body. It hates sugar. And... after spending most of Saturday in the bathroom... I do too. :o

I'm sorry if this seemed arrogant or "well, thanks for the advice, but no thanks". Not at all my intention. I'm just tired of people making assumptions about me and what I"m doing... without reading/listening to all the facts. I have enough of that in my own household... I don't need that on here. ;):)

MissKelly
05-30-2010, 08:52 PM
Per your last sentence, I am not the enemy. Sorry, I tried to be constructive and positive, I will wholly refrain from commenting further in the future...... Best of luck.

OUCH..

Petite Powerhouse
05-30-2010, 09:24 PM
You really have more control than you think—or perhaps want to believe? You could have gotten water at Sonic, for example. You didn't have to get the shake. I know you said you didn't want anything with ice, but even water without ice will cool you down. And, really, if it were I, I would have ordered ice water, anyway, and dealt with the ice or let it melt before drinking, because it's a far better option than a shake.

You also didn't have to order the burger with your friends. There are so many times throughout the day when you can make good choices. You can go places that serve healthier fast food, and even at places that don't you can make healthier choices than you did. I know you wanted to celebrate, but you really can do that with your goals remaining top of mind.

I'm not attacking you. I'm trying to help. If you want this to work, you have to hold yourself accountable. You do have the power to eat better and lose weight, no matter your family situation. These things I mention had nothing to do with your family at all: you made these choices all on your own. And even at your grandparents you could have not eaten the pizza. You could have not eaten the chocolate cake. You really can succeed even in the face of obstacles. For example, people post here all the time about how they avoided the goodies in the break room at work. That's how they achieve their weight-loss goals: they step away from the pizza and cake.

Maybe these really were unusual days for you. Maybe you are eating well most of the time. If you are, that's great. But you can even eat better than you are at your grandparents, and at Sonic or other fast food places and so on.... I suspect you could even convince your grandmother to make more salad. But, if that really isn't an option, then you can still avoid the least healthy options for the few days you are away from home. If you feel you are being set up to fail, you very well may fail. In fact, the chances are you will. In my opinion, the way to succeed is to believe that you alone have the power when it comes to your weight loss. And, you do.

Serbrider
05-30-2010, 10:59 PM
Petite... no... the shake WAS the last option. I had been drinking ICE WATER and other cold drinks for the past hour and a half BEFORE I got this. Please read EVERYTHING I write before making assumptions. ;)

And as for the burger and shake at 59 Diner... no... wasn't a wise idea. And I admitted up to that being MY OWN FAULT. Not someone else's. ;)

The chocolate cake... no... that wasn't a wise idea either. But... because I was being stupid (and yes... I was), I thought at the time "oh... I do need a few more calories"... and look where that got me. ;)

I ate 890 today. Not enough. And I'm FULL... HAPPY... and just finished a 40 minute run with the dogs. ;) This is how I normally eat... and prefer eating. I do need to have a bit more though... yet... I'm not hungry. Now... I'm off to get myself a big glass of water. ;)


I know you guys aren't trying to be mean, or the enemies... and you're not... at all!!! You're being VERY helpful... and I"m grateful. I'm simply explaining my situation a bit better... because you're seeing it through your eyes. I'm not everybody. In the past (and recently), I've gotten into the habit of eating everything put in front of me... whether I want to or not. So... it's that I have to break. Which could be the "control" issue that you're talking about. ;)

But... I do have to say... please... please read everything over COMPLETELY before making assumptions and pointing fingers. :) I do have issues... yes... quite a few actually. But not the ones YOU guys are thinking I have... I'd just like help on the issues I do have... not the ones I don't. :D (and... control is sometimes my issue... I let family members take control when I myself should be the one taking control).

So yeah... just finished my run and took a shower... now off to have a BIG glass of ice water. :D

tryhardforlife
05-31-2010, 03:01 AM
How long have you been on this new eating regimen or "diet"?

roxmysox
05-31-2010, 03:14 AM
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Interesting thread. Really. People are just trying to throw out ideas and help. I think you know that you didn't get to be overweight by hardly eating (I know, I know. You don't like it, you don't crave it, you just eat it because it's there) but you have to take more responsibility for your food choices. If I even think about having a shake I can gain five pounds. Good luck.

Serbrider
05-31-2010, 10:17 AM
Umm... still not reading my threads. ;)

I'm not saying I gained this weight by hardly eating, not craving things, etc. I gained it because I WAS overeating, and felt like I loved all of this food that I really didn't. Now that I'm not... I'm really not craving things or WANTING to eat.

Huge difference in one time and another here. Please actually read what I"m saying before making assumptions about what I"m saying.

I'm NOT perfect. I do have issues. My issues just aren't the same as YOURS though... which is what is annoying me... because I"m being lumped into the majority. I'm not saying I'm "oh so individual"... but just because one person thinks a certain way doesn't mean that EVERYONE thinks a certain way.

I'm reading over all of their advice... like... five times. Gleaning TONS from it. And if it seemed as though I wasn't... I'm sorry.

But... when someone says "I know you said you didn't like ice water", when in my post I had never said anything of the kind, but that I HAD ALREADY been drinking ice water... I feel the need to explain and defend my position there.

Maybe I'm just being silly and stupid. Maybe I'm going to fail. I'm owning up to responsibility. I made poor choices on Friday and Saturday. Who ever said I was saying it was ALL someone else's fault. Yeah... I DO have to eat what is made for me when I'm at my Grandparents house. But I should not have eaten that piece of pizza. My own fault. I should not have eaten that burger, and the two shakes. I'll admit that. I'm sorry I'm not all "oh... it's all my fault... I need to get back on track". I already am on track... again. For now.

I know I'll fall off the bandwagon again. And it'll be my own darn fault.

It's not THAT. It's that everyone so far has been assuming many different things when all of the answers are easily available simply by looking at my past posts.

I feel great. I had more veggies and salad stuff Sunday... and went for a run then as well. I'm not saying it was easy. But I like salads. Better than I do sugary stuff. What I DO have issues on is actually getting my butt of the chair and MOVING. So... if you want to encourage me and give me advice/lectures on something... do it on things like that... THAT is what I have issues on... not keeping control over my cravings... since I really am NOT craving sugary things. I actually feel nausious when thinking about 'em. Sorry you're not like that. I DON'T LIKE TO BE LIKE THIS... because most of the time it's not just the sugary stuff that's bad for me... but everything. I've never said I gained all of this weight by not eating. NOT AT ALL. I gained all of this weight because I would mindlessly eat. And I was always told "cookies are good", so my mind associated a cookie with something good. Even if cookies weren't exactly what I naturally would have preferred to eat. It's all associations in my mind.

I'm apparently losing something. I went for a run yesterday. The pants I wore that last Monday fit me well and semi-tightly were slipping down yesterday. So apparently something's working... and I DO have you guys to thanks for that. :D


I guess what I'm trying to say is this: don't make assumptions. Make sure you read everything that people said before making assumptions about how they act, think, and what their situation is.

:D


I do want to thank all of you guys... for caring. Even if I might not fall at your feet bowing for the advice you gave me... I really am very thankful for it all. :)

seagirl
05-31-2010, 11:36 AM
Maybe starting a blog where you don't accept comments would be more helpful to your journey than posting on a message board where, by its nature, people are going to leave comments, make assumptions, skim posts, etc.

You can't change how people read or post, but you can change your reaction to it. And instead of focusing on what people are saying and why it's all wrong, turn all that energy inward and use it to propel you forward, not get all scattered caring about things and people who don't matter.

mkendrick
05-31-2010, 11:51 AM
Hey girl, I certainly can't point my finger at you because we've all been there.

This last Wednesday, I had a planned Chinese "binge" with my friend who is doing Weight Watchers and is also doing a great job losing weight. We went nuts at the Chinese buffet. I literally made myself sick with how much Chinese food I ate, lol, no joke. Then we went out for frozen yogurt after. I think I had an equal amount of toppings (oreo pieces, reeces pieces, caramel syrup, etc) as I did of chocolate yogurt. Sure, I probably ate 3 times my daily calorie allowance. Sure, I probably gained. But it CERTAINLY reminded me why I do NOT eat like that anymore, lol. I felt like poop on a stick for two days after. Bloated, literally nauseous, sluggish, and just generally had a tummyache. By the time I recovered, I was back to normal on the scale, and I was craving healthy food, water, and didn't want to even imagine going over 1200 calories.

Point being, there WILL be bumps on the road. Planned or unplanned cheats, miscalculated calories, I am a firm believer that sometimes you just can't deny yourself food-just-for-the-fun-of-it as long as it's a very rare treat and within moderation. This is a lifestyle change, as in we are promising ourselves to live this way for the rest of our lives. It would be silly to tell myself that I will never eat too much at a Chinese buffet again. But, what used to be a weekly event is now something I want to do maybe once a year. It happens. But it won't screw up your progress in the long run if you jump right back on plan. I went crazy with Chinese food, but that doesn't mean I woke up in the morning back at 183lbs. It just set me back a few days, no biggie.

JayEll
05-31-2010, 12:03 PM
I think what seagirl posted has a good point. When someone posts on forums like this, they are going to get what they get. People have to try to be polite here--3FC doesn't allow abusive or flaming posts--but no one is going to have read everything you wrote, or every thread you put up, or have kept in mind all the details and wording you put in. Yes, some will take what you say the wrong way. Some will make assumptions that are incorrect. Some will miss the point. That's just how it goes!

Take what you find helpful and leave the rest.

Jay

Lori Bell
05-31-2010, 12:37 PM
I'm not saying I gained this weight by hardly eating, not craving things, etc. I gained it because I WAS overeating, and felt like I loved all of this food that I really didn't. Now that I'm not... I'm really not craving things or WANTING to eat.

I guess this is what is confusing many of us. If you are not wanting or craving foods NOW, why do you weigh more today than your starting weight?

Most of us have all, "been there-done that". As my Grandma used to say, "You cannot kid a kidder"

MeganTheMushroom
05-31-2010, 12:48 PM
[QUOTE=Serbrider;3315381]
MegantheMushroom... maintenance? I don't really know. Probably around 1800... if it's what I'm thinking it is. That's what I can eat without gaining right? Then around 1800 to 2000 with my height and weight. I really don't know. I feel better with the 1200 I've been eating... even if I am trying to eat a bit more.[QUOTE]


Maitenance is the amount of calories you need to not gain weight, and to not lose it either, it's probably a bit higher than 2000 for you
Mine is around 2000- 2300, Im still trying to figure it out

saef
05-31-2010, 12:59 PM
For some of us, part of the process of losing weight includes taking a hard look at ourselves & discovering, to our surprise & pain & embarassment, that we have elements of an addict's personality. (Or that we're plain, out-and-out addicts, only it's food, not alcohol or heroin, that's our substance of choice.) And one of these elements is lack of honesty with oneself & inability to accept blame & personal fallibility. Which includes the ability to rationalize everything. Or to find a worthy, blameless cause behind all our of actions. The cure for this is relentless self-interrogation. It means confronting the ugliest parts of ourselves & looking hard at those thoughts & actions. It means acknowledging our own ability to deceive ourselves. Not being evasive. Not coming up with good stories. And for many, of us, it means posting that ugly junk here.

Because of this, we're used to looking at people laying it all on the line & expecting to be called on their bulls*t. We're used to helping them deconstruct the old toxic stories they've been telling themselves. It's with that kind of critical eye that we read each others' posts sometimes. And so that is another kind of reading you are liable to get when you post here. It is different from unconditional positivity & taking a person's story completely at face value, as the literal truth. It is much more interrogatory. "Tough love" is another label for it. You will get some responses like that if you post here. Because that's just how some of us operate.

Petite Powerhouse
05-31-2010, 01:02 PM
But... when someone says "I know you said you didn't like ice water", when in my post I had never said anything of the kind, but that I HAD ALREADY been drinking ice water... I feel the need to explain and defend my position there.

That isn't what I said at all. I said you didn't want anything with ice, because I did read everything you wrote—every last word. I just read between the lines as well.

I also read close enough to see that you did not accept responsibility for your eating in the initial thread. You even laughed a bit about the day in the subject line.

When you recounted eating out with your friends, you said you didn't eat the fries—as if that made the fact that you ate the burger and shake OK. You didn't own up to anything. Instead, you said you planned not to eat again for the rest of the day—a very unhealthy approach to a splurge early in the day—in order to make up for it. But then you ended up going on a road trip and ate quite a bit more throughout the day—something, again, you blamed on a hot car, a temporary aversion to ice, and the food choices at your grandmother's house.

It wasn't until this thread that you admitted some culpability. That's good—it really is—but your weight-loss efforts would be better served if you could accept responsibility for your eating before actually ingesting the food. It wasn't until the third time that you mentioned the Sonic shake, for example, that you finally admitted you shouldn't have eaten it. Before that you continued to protest that you had no choice.

You also continue to say you don't have cravings anymore, but what you choose to eat says otherwise.

Good luck to you on your journey. I'm glad you made the decision to lose weight so early in your life and wish you the very best. But I do think you need to consider taking a closer look at what you eat and why, and how you can make positive lifestyle changes. You say that you let your family take control. What I get from your postings is that you willingly abdicate control. It's easier to accept indulgences if you convince yourself that you had no choice. You can say, "I'll do better tomorrow, when I am in control again"—but, because you haven't allowed yourself to dig to the real root of the issue, which lies within yourself, the cycle inevitably repeats, and you don't end up making the progress you desire.

No one is suggesting that you wring your hands and wallow in guilt. That isn't healthy, either. But, in my opinion, weight-loss success is contingent upon a degree of self-introspection and an acceptance of culpability. When you accept that you control how you eat, you can also learn to eat what you should. This is a lot to ask of a teenager. But it is the key to success at any age.

ETA: I just saw saef's post. That is it exactly.

Beach Patrol
05-31-2010, 01:27 PM
Serbrider -
sounds like water weight to me! - I just experienced EIGHT POUNDS of it myself on my last TOM. Then when all was said & done, I weighed again on my normal weigh day with my normal weigh-in routine (early a.m. before brekkie, nekkied as a jaybird, etc!) and it's gone again. WHEW!


I know how you feel tho! - Water weight or fat weight, NOBODY likes to see that freak'n scale number go higher! But I really do think it's water weight you're experiencing.

:hug: :hug: :hug:

sacha
05-31-2010, 01:32 PM
At 5'11 and 215lbs, OP's maintenance is in the 2500 range (varying on activity level). While well-intended MissKelly, I strongly have to disagree with some advice.

1. That any 5'11/215lb person should be cutting down to 1200-1400 calories which is nearly half of maintenance. This falls into a bit of an extreme.

2. Meal frequency and metabolism. While this is a popular idea, science seems to think otherwise. See:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=457373321
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/meal-frequency-and-energy-balance-research-review.html

3. Whey protein shakes being filling. I'm a body builder myself~ I've been using shakes for many years, including when gaining to train for a competition. Shakes are useful calorie supplements, but 30g protein in a chicken breast (around 100g total chicken) is far more filling than 30g scoop of whey. This is a personal preference, but I've never heard anyone say that whey shakes are more filling than actual food until now.

I can see why OP is getting defensive- she has received some well-intended but (from my view) inaccurate advice, leading to further confusion and frustration.

Rather than eating "too little... too much.. too little.. too much" and constantly fluxing/rebounding, maybe eating just under maintenance (1800? 2000?) over a longer period of time could be a better solution for the OP. It could help break this cycle of frustration.

Natalia
05-31-2010, 02:52 PM
Petite said you didn't want a drink with ice, because YOU said you didn't want a drink with ice. Perhaps taking a bit of your own advice and reading others' posts carefully as well would help.

PS Adding in a winky face does not negate a mean spirited comment.
Don't shoot the messengers!

MissKelly
05-31-2010, 04:39 PM
At 5'11 and 215lbs, OP's maintenance is in the 2500 range (varying on activity level). While well-intended MissKelly, I strongly have to disagree with some advice.

1. That any 5'11/215lb person should be cutting down to 1200-1400 calories which is nearly half of maintenance. This falls into a bit of an extreme.

2. Meal frequency and metabolism. While this is a popular idea, science seems to think otherwise. See:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=457373321
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/meal-frequency-and-energy-balance-research-review.html

3. Whey protein shakes being filling. I'm a body builder myself~ I've been using shakes for many years, including when gaining to train for a competition. Shakes are useful calorie supplements, but 30g protein in a chicken breast (around 100g total chicken) is far more filling than 30g scoop of whey. This is a personal preference, but I've never heard anyone say that whey shakes are more filling than actual food until now.

I can see why OP is getting defensive- she has received some well-intended but (from my view) inaccurate advice, leading to further confusion and frustration.

Rather than eating "too little... too much.. too little.. too much" and constantly fluxing/rebounding, maybe eating just under maintenance (1800? 2000?) over a longer period of time could be a better solution for the OP. It could help break this cycle of frustration.

Sure chicken is more filling, but being that I am no longer eating meat, I must get the majority of my protein from it. (shakes head in disbelief...) I never once suggested protein shakes to be a "sole" substitute for a meal as a replacement. Even I drink one down with a small meal when I do not have one as a snack. I, never once, said that shakes are more filling than food. The protein in the shakes DO help with the feeling of feeling full longer. That I did state and suggest. Grabbing a protein shake or 2 Sonic shakes...now what's practical for the serious dieter just trying to take off in weight loss? Yep. That was exactly my point.

1200-1400 calories, even at my height and weight, by no means is extreme. If I was going into competition...sure, that's mighty extreme since bodybuilders eat many times over that to begin with for good reason...since you've mentioned bodybuilding. Prior to my getting sick and gaining, I hadn't eaten 2000-2500 calories a day in my life to maintain. That's foreign to me personally, although I know many people do it. It was an average between 1600-1800, at most, as a vegetarian. Now, who is to say in the future when I am down that will be the case, it may not be...I am open to this and I will have to do what is right and healthy for my body when the time comes. In the future, in the event that my body may change, I may have to maintain on say 2000-2200 calories. I cannot say, you cannot say. It's my body's choice. It could certainly happen and will definitely deal with that when the time comes. Science is science, I do not place much faith in it, what works best with my body I do place much faith in. What works for you or me, may not work for others and that does not make either of us inaccurate or wrong. Telling me that 1200-1400 is extreme is your personal opinion, not a fact. Giving me links tells me nothing. Science can disagree, science is not dependable, it's whimsical and science is constantly changing and modifying their studies found all across the board on nearly everything year to year.

So enough about my own weight loss, I am not having issues chugging along....and this is not my thread. Thank you for your concern, nevertheless.

Obviously the current calorie intake is not working for the OP, which should give incentive to lower & play with calories/carbs, etc. to find out what works best with HER body, per the member body suggestion, from those who have lost and are losing here. Who better to soak up info from. Let's not totally defeat the purpose of the forum here. If someone wants to be combative, do a knock down and drag out, then in my opinion, they're just not at that point yet to fully dedicate themselves to achieve their fat loss because there is very little that is "so confusing" about cutting calories/carbs....and moving and shaking your butt around a bit more. Saying and doing are two very different things, sure, everyone "wants to." I "want" to quit smoking, but I have not yet made that first step and I know exactly what needs to be done to do it. Half-hearted failed attempts, yes. My motivation doesn't mean a ding until I commit, put forth effort, stop making excuses, make progress and just go, go, go. You just have to want it that bad...and it allllll becomes clear.

The members of this board are on many, numerous plans...with calories ranging all across...with just as many different personalities to match. Suggestions will be tossed out with what works for each member, none are "right or wrong." It's a public forum. What someone doesn't like...they can take what they want and toss the rest out. It can be done without booger-flinging, burning bridges with people who otherwise simply won't be there again in the future and making someone feel awful. People may forget what you've said, but they'll never forget the way you made them feel.....

I will not allow my suggestions to be even partially blamed for the OP's frustration, confusion or defensiveness in the least. I regret no suggestion that I've offered, none of it was counter-productive or harmful. I do not own her emotions or rent space in her head for even the most minimal control. I will not take blame (along with others) for not studying each of her threads and posts word for word, because it's really just not that important to me when there are other members here who have a voice to be heard, as well. I take responsibility for my own actions and reactions, the same respect, protocol and social grace is appreciated in others.

Serbrider
05-31-2010, 07:05 PM
Thanks so much for all of the advice and stuff guys. :D I'm not going to bother trying to reply to everyone... because I know that it's the internet, and things don't come out as intended.

Just two last things before I sign off this thread and go back to enjoying my life (because I am feeling great right now... despite being exhausted from a 5 hour drive home):

1. I never meant ANYTHING I said in a mean-spirited way. Which is why I DID post the happy smilies and all... because my intention was NOT to be rude, NOT to be mean, NOT to get overly defensive and start yelling at you guys... not at all. I am really really really sorry it came out that way. My own fault for not reading it over twice (like I normally do) to make sure it's readable how I want it to be... not just my words... because one word can be interpreted a thousand different ways... both good and bad. :D I interpreted y'all's bad... and got defensive... and then y'all interpreted mine bad... and got defensive... and so on and so forth. Yeah... my own fault from the start for getting overly defensive when you guys were being helpful.

2. I can understand why my lack of cravings is confusing y'all. It's confusing me!! I'm not craving sugar, meat, dairy, fries, even salads, fruits, etc. And I don't understand why I'm not craving it. I didn't want the ice cream (maybe that's what you read?), but it was my last option to cool me down, since I had tried everything else from ice water to iced coke, to just plain ice. So... I got that. Probably should have gone for a slushie or something less calorie rich... but I didn't think "must have ice cream" or feel an overwhelming urge to eat the ice cream... just an overwhelming urge to get cool... somehow... no matter how. Just because I eat something doesn't mean I was craving it or I really wanted it, or I went and binged on it. I made a poor choice on Friday by not asking for nutritional information on the burger. Yes. And the shake... I had remembered enjoying the shake before... and got it. More out of habit than anything else. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't crave food. I just eat it. Doesn't mean I enjoy it or even wanted to eat it. I don't want to eat anything to be honest. I just do... because it's habit, or because I don't want to be rude, or because I know it's good for me. Which is annoying for me... because I'd like to be able to enjoy the taste of other foods besides corn, diet soda, and really bland watery foods with no taste. But... I don't. :(

sacha
05-31-2010, 08:28 PM
Sure chicken is more filling, but being that I am no longer eating meat, I must get the majority of my protein from it. (shakes head in disbelief...) I never once suggested protein shakes to be a "sole" substitute for a meal as a replacement. Even I drink one down with a small meal when I do not have one as a snack. I, never once, said that shakes are more filling than food. The protein in the shakes DO help with the feeling of feeling full longer. That I did state and suggest. Grabbing a protein shake or 2 Sonic shakes...now what's practical for the serious dieter just trying to take off in weight loss? Yep. That was exactly my point.

1200-1400 calories, even at my height and weight, by no means is extreme. If I was going into competition...sure, that's mighty extreme since bodybuilders eat many times over that to begin with for good reason...since you've mentioned bodybuilding. Prior to my getting sick and gaining, I hadn't eaten 2000-2500 calories a day in my life to maintain. That's foreign to me personally, although I know many people do it. It was an average between 1600-1800, at most, as a vegetarian. Now, who is to say in the future when I am down that will be the case, it may not be...I am open to this and I will have to do what is right and healthy for my body when the time comes. In the future, in the event that my body may change, I may have to maintain on say 2000-2200 calories. I cannot say, you cannot say. It's my body's choice. It could certainly happen and will definitely deal with that when the time comes. Science is science, I do not place much faith in it, what works best with my body I do place much faith in. What works for you or me, may not work for others and that does not make either of us inaccurate or wrong. Telling me that 1200-1400 is extreme is your personal opinion, not a fact. Giving me links tells me nothing. Science can disagree, science is not dependable, it's whimsical and science is constantly changing and modifying their studies found all across the board on nearly everything year to year.

So enough about my own weight loss, I am not having issues chugging along....and this is not my thread. Thank you for your concern, nevertheless.

Obviously the current calorie intake is not working for the OP, which should give incentive to lower & play with calories/carbs, etc. to find out what works best with HER body, per the member body suggestion, from those who have lost and are losing here. Who better to soak up info from. Let's not totally defeat the purpose of the forum here. If someone wants to be combative, do a knock down and drag out, then in my opinion, they're just not at that point yet to fully dedicate themselves to achieve their fat loss because there is very little that is "so confusing" about cutting calories/carbs....and moving and shaking your butt around a bit more. Saying and doing are two very different things, sure, everyone "wants to." I "want" to quit smoking, but I have not yet made that first step and I know exactly what needs to be done to do it. Half-hearted failed attempts, yes. My motivation doesn't mean a ding until I commit, put forth effort, stop making excuses, make progress and just go, go, go. You just have to want it that bad...and it allllll becomes clear.

The members of this board are on many, numerous plans...with calories ranging all across...with just as many different personalities to match. Suggestions will be tossed out with what works for each member, none are "right or wrong." It's a public forum. What someone doesn't like...they can take what they want and toss the rest out. It can be done without booger-flinging, burning bridges with people who otherwise simply won't be there again in the future and making someone feel awful. People may forget what you've said, but they'll never forget the way you made them feel.....

I will not allow my suggestions to be even partially blamed for the OP's frustration, confusion or defensiveness in the least. I regret no suggestion that I've offered, none of it was counter-productive or harmful. I do not own her emotions or rent space in her head for even the most minimal control. I will not take blame (along with others) for not studying each of her threads and posts word for word, because it's really just not that important to me when there are other members here who have a voice to be heard, as well. I take responsibility for my own actions and reactions, the same respect, protocol and social grace is appreciated in others.

MissKelly,

You may have your own personal opinions on meal frequency (which is over and over again shown to have no statistical significance in terms of regular weight loss) and calorie amounts (1200-1400 being far below the OP's basal metabolic rate), that's fine. If you don't place much faith in science, then perhaps you would disagree.

Me - I don't place much faith in anecdotal evidence. It seems that I have offended you; I apologize if I have, not intended, but I would rather point the confused OP towards scientific journal studies about clinical measures of metabolism/meal frequency and basic calorie counting based on height/weight.

I'm rarely ever here to offer my personal opinion - although I DO believe that 50% of maintenance calories is extreme ~ I don't see how anyone could not perceive below basal metabolic rate, let alone around 400-600 calories below it, as not being somewhat extreme? That's a whole other discussion, one that I can only back up with more scientific research.

Anyways, I'm not here for an argument. I wrote my comments towards the OP and her situation. None of my concerns were directed towards your situation and it seems like you took that personally. I apologize if that wasn't clear. The OP and others can decide for themselves what to believe or what not to believe. I've been here a long time and you'll see I never throw out information or advice without any sort of solid reasoning behind it.

tryhardforlife
05-31-2010, 08:29 PM
Oh I get it it's like people who don't enjoy cocaine they just like the smell of it.

JayEll
05-31-2010, 08:42 PM
^^ :lol:

Jay

MissKelly
05-31-2010, 10:57 PM
MissKelly,

You may have your own personal opinions on meal frequency (which is over and over again shown to have no statistical significance in terms of regular weight loss) and calorie amounts (1200-1400 being far below the OP's basal metabolic rate), that's fine. If you don't place much faith in science, then perhaps you would disagree.

Me - I don't place much faith in anecdotal evidence. It seems that I have offended you; I apologize if I have, not intended, but I would rather point the confused OP towards scientific journal studies about clinical measures of metabolism/meal frequency and basic calorie counting based on height/weight.

I'm rarely ever here to offer my personal opinion - although I DO believe that 50% of maintenance calories is extreme ~ I don't see how anyone could not perceive below basal metabolic rate, let alone around 400-600 calories below it, as not being somewhat extreme? That's a whole other discussion, one that I can only back up with more scientific research.

Anyways, I'm not here for an argument. I wrote my comments towards the OP and her situation. None of my concerns were directed towards your situation and it seems like you took that personally. I apologize if that wasn't clear. The OP and others can decide for themselves what to believe or what not to believe. I've been here a long time and you'll see I never throw out information or advice without any sort of solid reasoning behind it.

You've mistaken my confidence for agitation, I was merely standing up for myself after you dragged the cat back in, setting the record back straight after you had fixated on and distorted my suggestion upon your entrance. So enough, I can look right back at the initial post to see how you approached it and attempted to make me a spectacle throughout it.

Without vomiting medical history here, like some others, I have a thyroid issue. Frequent meals assists in keeping the metabolism regulated. That is not an "opinion." For every study you can find not in support, I can find just the same in support for non-thyroid issues. I'm sorry, but you just cannot toss generic blanket statement medical advice out there like that as you have, especially to an impressionable young woman, such as the OP, you're simply just not qualified.

You go and eat your 'X' amount of calories a day over your medical journals. Allow others to find ways that work for them and they will eat their 'X' amount of calories a day over whatever they enjoy reading.

You're "Medical" ...I'm "Homeopathic." I am positive that is not where our differences end.

Now stay in your corner and I will stay in mine. I'm finished discussing this with you. It's old now.

Have a great evening.

sacha
05-31-2010, 11:35 PM
MissKelly,

You must be reading into ill intentions - that are not and never were intended. I think you are looking for an attack that was never there to begin with. I wanted to point out some things for the OP that (I felt) might have confused her. My comments were always directed towards the OP. I am not sure why you feel that my comments directed towards her situation have anything to do with your medical issues and history. It was never about you. It is her thread I speak to - her situation - her height, weight, medical history. Not yours.

I have been on 3FC for over 2 years (now 7 years of maintenance with the support I have received here) and have never been interested in a confrontation - I'm a little surprised at the hostility (In over 2 years, I've never been told to go to my corner because someone is "done" with me).

Good luck with your journey. 3FC is not the place for online arguments and confrontations. I'm not sure if things have changed since I was last here (my 37lbs is pure baby weight, my delivery expected any day now), perhaps my ideas are no longer welcome. I'll stick to my preggo and maintenance sections from now on I suppose...

OP I apologize and hope your thread is back on track from hereafter.

Onederchic
05-31-2010, 11:45 PM
Wow, this is not the first time I have seen a thread get completely off base with others "disagreements" but normally I don't respond to them and I won't this time except to just state the obvious, when people post threads they may not always be looking for advice, maybe just some support and or reassurance and to totally take the thread and make it into a debate is just..well, rude..in my opinion anyway.


That said, Serbrider, I do hope that somewhere in the midst of things you found what you were looking for. Keep your head up and keep reaching for those goals, you will get there :D :hug:

sacha
05-31-2010, 11:48 PM
Wow, this is not the first time I have seen a thread get completely off base with others "disagreements" but normally I don't respond to them and I won't this time except to just state the obvious, when people post threads they may not always be looking for advice, maybe just some support and or reassurance and to totally take the thread and make it into a debate is just..well, rude..in my opinion anyway.


That said, Serbrider, I do hope that somewhere in the midst of things you found what you were looking for. Keep your head up and keep reaching for those goals, you will get there :D :hug:

You are correct... I apologize. Serbrider, I hope you find the answer you are looking for. :hug:

Onederchic
06-01-2010, 12:03 AM
MissKelly,

You must be reading into ill intentions - that are not and never were intended. I think you are looking for an attack that was never there to begin with. I wanted to point out some things for the OP that (I felt) might have confused her. My comments were always directed towards the OP. I am not sure why you feel that my comments directed towards her situation have anything to do with your medical issues and history. It was never about you. It is her thread I speak to - her situation - her height, weight, medical history. Not yours.

I have been on 3FC for over 2 years (now 7 years of maintenance with the support I have received here) and have never been interested in a confrontation - I'm a little surprised at the hostility (In over 2 years, I've never been told to go to my corner because someone is "done" with me).

Good luck with your journey. 3FC is not the place for online arguments and confrontations. I'm not sure if things have changed since I was last here (my 37lbs is pure baby weight, my delivery expected any day now), perhaps my ideas are no longer welcome. I'll stick to my preggo and maintenance sections from now on I suppose...

OP I apologize and hope your thread is back on track from hereafter.


Nuh uh, your ideas/support/advice/suggestions are always welcome, at least by me and if you contain yourself to just those 2 threads, I will miss out so please don't do that. Thanks :hug:

midwife
06-01-2010, 12:03 AM
First, that popcorn eating deer is pretty much the funniest thing I've seen all day.

Second, putting on my moderator hat here, let's all be a little bit more aware of how our written comments might be interpreted online. Remember we all are here for support.

We each have our own journeys, strategies, and speedbumps along the way. Fortunately we can learn from each choice, postitive or negative, and allow these lessons to shape the next part of our journeys.

(I'm gonna go check out that deer again!)

MissKelly
06-01-2010, 12:05 AM
MissKelly,

You must be reading into ill intentions - that are not and never were intended. I think you are looking for an attack that was never there to begin with. I wanted to point out some things for the OP that (I felt) might have confused her. My comments were always directed towards the OP. I am not sure why you feel that my comments directed towards her situation have anything to do with your medical issues and history. It was never about you. It is her thread I speak to - her situation - her height, weight, medical history. Not yours.

I have been on 3FC for over 2 years (now 7 years of maintenance with the support I have received here) and have never been interested in a confrontation - I'm a little surprised at the hostility (In over 2 years, I've never been told to go to my corner because someone is "done" with me).

Good luck with your journey. 3FC is not the place for online arguments and confrontations.

OP I apologize and hope your thread is back on track from hereafter.


Staying in your corner, and me staying in mine is a general universal lingo which means to end it, to be done with, for us to terminate direct communication with each other for the now to cool things out. No one told you "to go into a corner"anymore than anyone ever said that "protein shakes are more filling than food." Being that you have not had any confrontations due to the fact you do not come often at all, holds no shock value. Hostility is a very dramatic word, and I'll not be lured further into it. We have no more to say to each other. Another time, another place on another day....on a happier more peaceful note together when that time comes.

mandalinn82
06-01-2010, 12:10 AM
I think this thread has outlived its original purpose and has veered off topic, so I'm going to go ahead and close it.