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ncuneo
05-02-2010, 11:25 PM
A previous post has got me thinking about how skewed our perception of being overweight has become. I mean really what is overweight? I mean I know that my BMI says I'm overweight and at 5'5" 162 lbs and a size 12 society says I'm overweight. So when will I no longer be overweight? I know that at 148 lbs my BMI will no longer be overweight but I'm curious at what dress size do you all consider no longer overweight? I honestly don't know anymore...I thought it would be a size 10 because when I was at my ideal weight that is what size I was and I certainly wasn't overweight at the time. But I know so many girls that strive for those single digits and it's really sickening that we feel the need to do that and not just love ourselves. So let the debate beging at what dress size will you no longer consider yourself overweight?


Tonyia
05-02-2010, 11:53 PM
It is sickening to strive for single digits. I have been about 119-120 lbs at 5'3 up until about 2 yrs ago and now I am at 161 at 5'3. I am considered over weight and I know I am which is why I am trying to lose weight so desperately but I know that wearing a size 3 or 5 in juniors again might not be realistic. When I first started to gain weight (yes I watched myself gain) I remember being 138 and thinking to myself "Omg look how fat I have gotten" but I wasn't fat I was within range and I think that is what we should strive for, being within range!

When I was wearing a size 3 and 5 I was a smoker and I drank almost every weekend! I ate crap like burritos before bed at night or milk shakes and I wouldn't think twice about sitting on the couch with a bag of chips and eating the whole bag. How unhealthy I was and didn't even realize it because I was wearing a size 3.

Now I am working to be in range and that might not be a single digit, it might be a 10 or a 12 but I no longer smoke or drink and my foods are all solid and healthy! I watch what goes in and I exercise everyday. I think I am a lot healthier now then I ever was 2 yrs ago. So when I can get into a 10 comfortably I think I will be satisfied.

effie12
05-03-2010, 12:02 AM
I honestly think that overweight depends less on the number and more upon how I feel and look. Right now I am 154 pounds, a size 8 on the bottom and a medium on top, and I am roughly 9 pounds away from being no longer considered overweight by the standards of BMI, but I still feel as though my body has a long way to go before I am comfortable with it. And an even longer way to go before I am ready to start maintaining it. As for a number, I'm going to say once I reach the 130s, I will stop feeling like I am 'overweight'. However, this could also happen in the low 140s. It will be interesting to see how my opinion towards my body changes as I lose more weight and reach new lows because I have always been the type to criticize myself no matter what size I am. Even as a child, when I was definitely way too young to be worrying about these kinds of things (and was at a perfectly healthy weight for my height) I always saw myself as bigger than everyone else and therefore overweight.

It is strange because I feel like my clothing sizes should have been great moments in my life, getting back into the single digits and into a medium, but like most things, the moment you get there you want something smaller or better. I'm hoping that in time I'll be able to see my body as it is, and hopefully once I reach a 'normal' weight for my height, I'll have come to terms with what normal is. I also should say that on other people my numbers look perfectly fine. I think we are always more critical of ourselves when it comes to weight.


aware210
05-03-2010, 01:23 AM
I think my perfect size would be a 6. I am a rather bottom heavy kind of girl. A size medium on top.. large if its a button down. and occasionally a small. On the bottom i am a 12. I am 5' and 158 lbs at the moment. All my weight is stored in my lower body. Even at 115 lbs i was only a 7/8 (i think) But i was not toned at all. I want to get down to 115 again and be really tones in my lower half so im hoping a 6 will be a doable size. Lol Ive never been smaller than 7. I went through puberty and went from a size 13 in kids to a size 7 in juniors.

what i dont like is when people think because their bmi says something they automatically think its true. My bmi says i could weigh 100 lbs and not be underweight, but with my muscle structure and bone density, at 100 lbs i would be nothing but bone. It also says at my weight now, that i am obese, but looking at me you wouldn't think so at all. I look chubby for sure. But obese, not even. I have a 27 inch waste? Anyways what im trying to say, is that you should make your own standard, as long as your comfortable and healthy then thats all that matters. Weather that's a size 6 or a size 10 or any size

goin4health
05-03-2010, 01:24 AM
Seems to me we are bombarded by billboards, magazines, mannequins, and tv, all telling us if we don't fit into size 0 pants we are grossly obese. What have we done as a society, but teach our daughters that size 0 is a realistic goal. I was very happy to see Queen Latifah when she was doing ads for Jenny Craig, she was more concerned about getting healthy and that it looks different on everyone.
This time around I am going for health, not what someone thinks I should look like and when I get there I will know.

Stella
05-03-2010, 03:52 AM
I agree that overweight probably depends on where you are coming from. If you have always been 200+ and then get down to 160, you`ll probably feel slender, sexy and definitely not overweight.

If you`ve always been 120 and then get up to 160 you`ll feel awful and possibly not always overweight but obese!

To me personally, overweight starts where my health and energy levels suffer. I`ve been a BMI 27(ish) for a long time, but I could run and do everything I wanted to do. I then gained a few more pounds and noticed that the running became harder, and that made me want to slim down enough to actually do it!

Stella

jynx
05-03-2010, 04:55 AM
Stella that is very true! I remember when I was about 115 (a long time ago) lol, I was completely mortified if I got up to 120/122, now, if I got back down to 122 I would be such a happy bunny and never complain again lol! It's all personal perspective of how comfortable you feel :)

jigglefree
05-03-2010, 05:00 AM
I don't think single digits is a bad thing. It depends on your body image. Granted there are going to be people that have a distorted body image and they will never be happy no matter what size they are. For me I think a size 10 is where I want to be. I may change my mind when I get there and head for the single digits. Then again I may settle in at a 12. Even though by the doctor's standard I morbidly obese, I'm healthier than most normal weight people. Never had any health issues. So this is just a bonus for me. I don't like generalizations, or community think stuff. I think if you as an individual want to be in a certain place great. But don't try to make me fit in it with you because I will rebel.

JayEll
05-03-2010, 07:46 AM
You do realize that vanity sizing plays a part in this, right? Those single digit sizes are using a different system than the older size 10, 12, 14, etc.

Clothing sizes are a meaningless measure, because they are manipulated by the clothing industry. Why would one want to base success on whether one's pants have the "right number"? :dunno:

Jay

alexandraT
05-03-2010, 07:51 AM
I agree that overweight probably depends on where you are coming from. If you have always been 200+ and then get down to 160, you`ll probably feel slender, sexy and definitely not overweight.

See that's funny - I was almost 200, and when I got down to 160, I still felt overweight! I'm one of those who lose weight, and for while I feel really good, but then I start noticing how at 160 I'm still larger than most females my age I'm around. Heck - at 142 I still feel overweight - and I hate to say this - but until I completely get into the single digit sizes (I'm in between an 8 and a 10 on the bottom, 8 on top) I'll still feel that way! I know, it's sick, but I think for women my age (24), it's been drilled into my head that anything over an 8 is considered "plus size." :devil:

alexandraT
05-03-2010, 07:54 AM
Also - being surrounded by thin friends growing up - I rarely heard them say their weight, but being a girl and going shopping - I would frequently hear or see their size, so I think that's why I always compare myself based on size.

CheekyMo27
05-03-2010, 08:09 AM
That's an interesting question. I used to think I wouldn't consider myself "overweight" if I made it to a single-digit size - but that's not the case anymore. I'm currently somewhere between a size 14-16. I was once a size 24. I've been as small as somewhere between a 12-14 as an adult. I'm working towards that now, and I'm not sure how much smaller I could get!

Now, I'm trying to get my eating habits under control and back to a lifestyle that incorporates regular, healthy eating. I'm assuming that will make me lose weight, tone up and be healthier. I'm working toward a mindset in which I just accept wherever it is that my body settles as the right weight for me. It's tough - I've always been fat, even as a kid, so "skinny" or "thin" doesn't seem like a possibility.

The other thing is, I have a fair bit of lose skin that skews my perception of my body. I'd love to get it removed through plastic surgery ... mostly the flap under my arms and also adjacent to my armpits, and my inner thighs. I think that would really change how I see my body, because then I could really see what's going on, you know?

Shmead
05-03-2010, 08:09 AM
While I do think our society puts too much emphasis on being slender, the fact is that the healthiest people I know--the ones that can climb mountains, run 10 miles, rough-house with their kids for hours--those people are lean--single digit lean. That's not the same as skinny, obviously, but it's still pretty thin. Now then, I know of plenty of people that are carrying around a lot of fat but still do all those athletic things, but think how much better they would be at them if they weren't carrying extra weight! If they are happy with that, it's fine, but I don't think there's anything wrong with "lean" as a cultural ideal.

Furthermore, for all that we glamorize "super-skinny", there's no doubt that "actual normal" is creeping up. Food is just too delicious and too cheap these days, compared to even 20 years ago. While I think a lot of women would like to be super skinny, as long as they are about the same shape as their friends, there isn't that much pressure to change: we just feel bad and buy more products to compensate, but we don't change our lifestyles. If anything, actual, real-world normal getting heavier (which it has) encourages people NOT to change, because, as Erma Bombach said 30 years ago, "A real friend doesn't go on a diet when you are fat".

Belease
05-03-2010, 08:27 AM
I'm confused as to why single-digit clothing sizes, especially for the US, are so bad, especially because dress sizes are getting bigger all the time. I was a size 10 in some shops (US size 8) when I was about a stone and a half heavier (around 145 pounds) and there's no way I was too skinny.

Please also don't forget that some of us have much smaller bones, or are shorter, etc. I would love to look fantastic at a heavier weight/higher dress size, but the fact remains that it's all proportional to your frame.

ncuneo
05-03-2010, 10:59 AM
I guess I should clarify that I don't think that single digit sizes are necessarily a bad thing, especially for those of small frame and height. I guess my point being that when I was at my ideal body weight I was a 10 and now I don't feel like a 10 is going to be good enough anymore, and I'm just curious as to why that is. I'm not even sure that I can get below a 10, I'm a medium frame and I'm 5'5" so that may be an unrealistic goal, but lord knows I'm going to try...probably if nothing else because of Jay's point...vanity...

Tonyia
05-03-2010, 11:09 AM
I know that with my frame, I am very tiny up top, small arms, wrists except I have big muscular thighs and wide hips so when I was in a 3 or 5 in bottoms it just did not match up with my frame. I was looking through old pictures and I came across one from around 2003 and I was my tiniest ever and I looked so sick. I wanna be smaller but def. not sick looking.

mkendrick
05-03-2010, 11:12 AM
I'm just now starting to feel like I belong in the lean/thin/athletic group as opposed to chubby/overweight even though I'm WELL within the healthy BMI range. I do not consider myself skinny. And, I fully admit to being a media-manipulated youth who has been brainwashed to think that models on a magazine cover are the only acceptable version of beauty in society. I realize this, and I'm actively trying to get over it.

I'm a comfortable size 4 at American Eagle. I started out at 183, barely being able to stuff myself in size 12 at American Eagle. Size 4 at AE translates to 6 or 7 (junior size) because of vanity sizing, but that's the store I usually shop from, so it's the sizing that I think of. I won't be surprised if I'd drop down to a 2 at AE in some styles of jeans.

That being said, I used to be horrified at the thought of being a size 2, I used to think there's no way a person of my frame/height could fit in a size 2 without being anorexic. But I am not anorexic, in fact, I have quite a bit of flub I could lose before I started to look sick. I still have belly chub, my ribs don't show, my hip bones are just starting to show, and I'm really quite meaty and soft all the way around. Not that I feel the need to be a toothpick, I'm quite happy with how I am, but I'm certainly not anorexic and I fit into surprisingly low sizes. Part of that is definitely vanity sizing.

So it's not entirely fair to assume that single digit and low single digit sizes are sickly underweight or anything. A lot of it is so skewed thanks to vanity sizing. And you all may surprise yourself when you get closer to goal...I had NO idea I would get this low sizing-wise, and I certainly wasn't aiming for it. I'm well within the healthy range, right smack dab in the middle, in fact. I just happened to end up at a low clothing size.

Gold32
05-03-2010, 11:29 AM
And what about outside factors that control your size, besides weight? My sister is a bean pole with size DD tata's, so even though she couldn't possibly get any skinnier (at least in a healthy way) she doesn't buy "small" tops. I also have a best friend who couldn't get any skinner who has to buy larger jeans because of her hips.

That said, I think both are still in the single digits. 8 or 6? Trust me, they look like 2s.

But yeah, that's why I haven't been thinking much about size. I care about my weight and bmi, and even those have mitigating circumstances. I'll try to answer anyway- I think I'd be very happy in a 10, considering I was a 12 for years. I think I'd feel fully complete in my journey if I could get down to an 8. But I would have to see when I get there.

Btw, I didn't think for a second that you were poo-pooing on single digits. Just the strive to get to single digits. And I agree. What an arbitrary, and possibly unattainable number to focus on. Hey, if it motivates you, great. But I wouldn't focus too heavily on it.

Priscatip
05-03-2010, 01:57 PM
I would love to fit back into a size 8. Not really for shopping or anything new, not because I don't think I look good as a size 10 (I'm a 12 or 14 now), but because I want to fit back into all the pretty size 8 clothes I have!!

Eliana
05-03-2010, 02:30 PM
Gosh, I'm feeling pretty darn good in my 14's. I no longer feel like people are judging me based on weight. I'm happy living in la-la land at the moment! :D Truly, very happy.

I'm still going of course, but I just don't care anymore...I'm happy! I do not FEEL overweight now that I've set down 45 pounds. Everything I do is already joyfully easier!

ames
05-03-2010, 02:35 PM
Please also don't forget that some of us have much smaller bones, or are shorter, etc. I would love to look fantastic at a heavier weight/higher dress size, but the fact remains that it's all proportional to your frame.

I was going to say the exact same thing. I am 4'11 - the largest I have ever been was a 10-11 but I was still considered overweight. ****, going by BMI I am still overweight, but wearing a 6-8. But if you are taller you can be a larger size and still be healthy.
My sister is 7 inches taller than me - when she was at 160 she had the same BMI as I do now. That was her smallest, and she was a 10-12. Size DEFINITELY plays a part in my opinion.

saef
05-03-2010, 02:40 PM
Honestly, it's not what I can **wear** that will make me stop feeling overweight.

It's about how I feel, really. On one of my "fat" days, staring into my closet at small sizes still won't help. I know this because I once I got down to 109 pounds & was still aiming for 105, and I looked at my clothes, which in those days, were a size 6, wishing I could be a size 4. And had I reached a size 4, I know I still wouldn't have been happy, because I was simply an unhappy person & the cause of all my unhappiness actually was NOT my weight. Weight was a symptom, rather than a cause, only the relationship between the two was symbiotic, so I mistook it for the cause.

I'm trying to make it more into how I feel, and if I want something tangible, what I can **do.** I want to be in a body that can run a 5K in 30 minutes or less. I want to be in a body that can do that yoga position in which you balance on your hands with your knees placed on your elbows. I want my knees to continue holding up. I want to be cancer-free forever -- particularly after watching my father die slowly & suffering horribly from cancer & my mother go through radiation treatments. I want to be off statins & an ACE inhibitor. (I've nearly reached the later goal, since the dosage has been dropped twice since I started losing weight.) I want my A1C to remain low, above all.

That is what I want, rather than sizes. Because I am sure the clothing industry will change sizes once again, if the general population is indeed continually growing. (Do any of you own vintage clothing? I own a blouse from around 1905 & a dress from the mid 1920s & another white dress from just before World War I. Those women were even tinier. We have nowhere to go but up.)

Eliana
05-03-2010, 02:52 PM
I'm trying to make it more into how I feel, and if I want something tangible, what I can **do.** I want to be in a body that can run a 5K in 30 minutes or less. I want to be in a body that can do that yoga position in which you balance on your hands with your knees placed on your elbows. I want my knees to continue holding up. I want to be cancer-free forever -- particularly after watching my father die slowly & suffering horribly from cancer & my mother go through radiation treatments. I want to be off statins & an ACE inhibitor. (I've nearly reached the later goal, since the dosage has been dropped twice since I started losing weight.) I want my A1C to remain low, above all.


Amen!! This is what it's all about! For me it's about having a lower blood glucose, lower blood pressure, lower resting HR, and having the endurance to complete a spin cycle class and to run! I am no longer too over weight for those pieces of GOLD!

prepping
05-03-2010, 03:07 PM
As of this moment, my BMI says I'm overweight and will be until I reach 178 lbs. Do I feel or look overweight? nope. And I bet that if other people who knew me found that I was technically classified as overweight according to BMI, they wouldn't believe it either. I just feel some extra cushioning that I would like to get rid of.

Try to figure this one out though -- In order for me to be a "healthy" BMI, I have to be between 134 lbs and 178 lbs. I have seen 150 lbs on someone my height and it looks pretty good for a person who has no fat on her body at all. Dropping below that though? it's horrifying!

So I'll take being considered "overweight" thank you very much. And I don't believe it either. I have curves, I hear they're the "IN" thing now. :D lol

btw, tonyia, I like your pup! :D

Tomato
05-03-2010, 03:49 PM
I prefer to go by body fat % and lean body mass % as opposed to BMI. BMI can give skewed results because it factors in height and weight only.
I read once that when Arnold Schwarzenegger was at the top of his bodybuilding career, his BMI would classify him as OBESE. Why follow something as misleading as BMI?

Gold32
05-03-2010, 03:56 PM
I prefer to go by body fat % and lean body mass % as opposed to BMI. BMI can give skewed results because it factors in height and weight only.
I read once that when Arnold Schwarzenegger was at the top of his bodybuilding career, his BMI would classify him as OBESE. Why follow something as misleading as BMI?

You know, I have heard that before. And when I'm as body-built as Arnold, then I will worry about it! :p Seriously though, you're right. But as I know more about BMI and how to calculate it, I'll stick with it, for now.

Actually, for now I'm just focused on staying on plan and watching the pounds drop. When I get closer to that ideal BMI or whatever, I'll rethink then.

mkendrick
05-03-2010, 04:21 PM
I agree, BMI has its limitations. But all your-weight-should-be-this measurements have limitations. There's no calculator that factors in height, weight, body fat %, frame size, body shape (apple, pear, hourglass, etc), preference of how each person wants to look, etc etc etc. There is no combo of data that a person can plug in that will tell them their true ideal weight. Ideal weight is just where we feel the best, which is a very personal decision.

So yes, there are exceptions to BMI. Arnold was not fat, clearly. But in a way, it could be argued that he was indeed overweight. Our bones, tendons, and ligaments aren't made out of steel, and excess weight, whether it's fat or muscle, is stress. Do you think the human body was built to have Arnold amounts of muscle? Nope, just like it wasn't built to have that same amount of excess weight in fat. So yes, clearly, if you're aware that you're a very lean person with a low body fat percentage, you may be an exception to BMI. But the BMI is a wiiide range. My range is 117-159. That's a pretty broad generalization of "ideal weight," and it's safe to assume that MOST of the population is going to be healthiest in their BMI range.

If anything, it's a good guide to give the average person some numbers to aim for. When they get closer to goal, they can adjust up or down.

MissKoo
05-03-2010, 04:53 PM
Try to figure this one out though -- In order for me to be a "healthy" BMI, I have to be between 134 lbs and 178 lbs. I have seen 150 lbs on someone my height and it looks pretty good for a person who has no fat on her body at all. Dropping below that though? it's horrifying!

So I'll take being considered "overweight" thank you very much. And I don't believe it either. I have curves, I hear they're the "IN" thing now. :D lol



Agreed! BMI is so NOT on the nose. I know that I looked horribly thin at 155 pounds - I was in my early 20s and lived on diet pepsi and ciggies. Not a good look. I wore a size 8 pants when I weighed in the 170s (note my height). I don't care what my "ending" BMI is - I think I will know when I'm looking good and feeling healthy. If I have an "overweight" BMI by a couple or even five pounds? C'est la vie! :D

Tonyia
05-03-2010, 04:59 PM
I really just cannot wait to be anywhere close to where I want to be. I am sure 138 won't look so horrible to me when I hit it next time. ;)



btw, tonyia, I like your pup! :D

I was gonna say the same thing to you!! :D

Beach Patrol
05-03-2010, 05:29 PM
I've yo-yo'd since I was.... "this many". I'm not sure WHAT weight I consider not overweight, but if I have to pin it down... at 5'3 (and a half!!) inches, I am currently 175. my BMI is 29. I wear a size 14 jeans. That's, like, seriously overweight (according to "the experts" and society) but not quite obese. One more BMI number and I WILL be obese. HOWEVER, I have a lot of muscle, and I know that's not really taken into consideration when looking at statistics; numbers on a page, etc.

I think I would be *NOT OVERWEIGHT* at 130 pounds, size 6-8. I'd be perfectly happy with 140 pounds, size 8-10.

I do agree that our perception of overweight, especially in American society, is completely skewed. I hate seeing headlines of some celebrity called "fat" for weighing 125 lbs. Makes me wanna commit heinous crimes & so forth. Ugh.

MeowMix
05-03-2010, 05:38 PM
Sizes drive me nuts!! I had my heart set of being a size 4 when I started this. Size 4 was what my mom always was and she was tiny. I got to size 4 while I was still in my high 130's and I was so disappointed! I know, shut up but since sizes have changed so much since I was kid and my mom was a size 4 (meaning it was smaller then) that being able to fit into but still looking pretty chunky was a let down. I'm happy to report I no longer have any size up on a pedestal but they still matter to me.

I would just really like to have ONE size or rather I just wish the US would make clothing company's conform to one size set. It's really frustrating to fit into a size 4 here, a size 7 there, a size 5 in this brand, a size 2 in that brand, etc! Then when I look up size charts most tell me (according to my measurements) I'm a size 0-2!! But I can't walk into a store and actually fit into those sizes so what the heck?

Rawr! Ok, ranting there sorry. But in answer to your question, yes, I admit to feeling less 'overweight' in the single digits but then again I'm fairly short so that matters too, I don't look anywhere as good in a pair of size 10-11's as someone 4+ inches taller than me.

shortandfluffy
05-03-2010, 06:08 PM
This frustration that I have with this is my height. I wear the same size as someone that weighs 20 lbs. more than me BUT is several inches taller.. so I can't really use that as something to judge from.

I will be happy when I get back into the clothes I already have that are too small.. some 10s and a few 8s. They are from a few years back so I am sure 8s now will be different. BUT i was happy with how I looked in them so that is my goal at the moment.

I am at the moment between a 14 and 12. 12s are still too tight but my 14s are loose. Frustrating, but I am glad to be going down and not up.

Also with height that sucks is that when I get to 162 I will finally be out of the obese catergory, but I won't be considered "normal" until I am in the 130s. I guess I will just see how it is when I get there!

Renwomin
05-03-2010, 08:30 PM
A lot of you have made some awesome points! These thread has made stop and think a lot.

Clothing size - As many people have said we can't base our bodies on clothing because of the inaccuracies of sizing and the varying ways clothing fits people of different proportions and heights.

BMI - BMI on an individual level is a horrible measure of health or our bodies . It does not take into account body composition or fitness. When fit, trim athletes (I'm not even talking about body builders) are being classified as overweight and obese there is a major problem with BMI as a measurement.

Weight - For the same exact reasons that BMI isn't a good measure weight is not either. (BMI is only a height/weight measurement after all.)

So what do we use to measure?

For health? Fitness level is a huge factor even more so than weight by some recent studies. When thin inactive people are studied alongside "overweight" fit people the overweight group is found to be healthier. Thin does not ensure health by any means.

Fitness can be a bit hard to determine so if I had to chose the best measurement it would be percentage of body fat. This really takes into account body composition - the ratio of muscles, organ, bones to actual fat. This isn't as easy to measure unfortunately. I'm not sure how accurate those body fat measures on scales are. Underwater measurements are often being replaced by bod pods which are an easy weight to measure body fat.

But just body fat percentage does not take into account fat distribution. Study after study shows that the fat we carry in our middle or internally is more dangerous to our health. Some who predominately gains weight in their middle has a much greater health risk than those whose fat is distributed well throughout their body.

I dream of the day when I step in a doctor's office for a physical and they measure my percentage of body fat, take measurements to determine my fat distribution, really quiz me on my diet, and measure my fitness level. I'm really surprised how far behind in medical practices most doctors are considering the growing body of scientific evidence.

"Looks" are a whole more complicated matter with warped individual and societal ideas of attractiveness. Far too often instead of changing or WEIGHT we need to change the WAY we perceive our own bodies.

lilithb
05-04-2010, 12:00 AM
It really is how we perceive weight. Too me, 154 and 160 is perfect.. When you look at how a women with a little more meat on her was considered beautiful.. Those pictures of chubby naked women lounging is what I have in my mind. I am proportioned well. I just have all this barrow around the middle. Its suffocating. I have about 50 pounds to lose to be where I would be comfortable and that would around 1 40 something.

lavenderannn
05-04-2010, 01:14 PM
Even at my lowest weight, I wore many sizes. I don;t go by sizes at all, in fact I always cut tags off of clothing, they irritate me.

I first feel near normal around 220, meaning I don't feel obese anymore. I feel normal under 180, thin at 160 and start looking gaunt around 140. I have a large bone structure, so I will never be petite and delicate looking. My mother is very petite, so even when my hip bones stick out and my cheeks are hollow, I look like a viking woman next to her. lol.

This time around, I am not concerned with the final size or weight as I am about feeling well and active. I'll never have the youthful body I once had, so in many ways I have no idea what the final outcome will be. I may never look thin again if my skin remains sagging. Sigh.