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srmb60
05-01-2010, 07:21 AM
Good morning this first day of May!

Here's my starters.

128.4 lbs
chest 34.5
waist 27
hips 36

I think I'm finally over what they call the "low carb flu" and feel pretty good all of the time. If I have a midafternoon dip, it's after work when I am, in fact, physically tired. When I feel like having a nap, I do fall asleep. I'm sleeping very well at night.
Now, I feel well enough to incorporate some heavy lifting. :strong: In fact this morning, I have a nice tired set of gardener's hamstrings :D


CheekyMo27
05-01-2010, 01:26 PM
Ok! I am BACK, after a couple of weeks of eating CRAP! My stomach has been aching, my head has been killing me ... I'm not sure why I do it, but enough is enough!

Not going to measure or weigh right now - lots going on in my head - but my goal is to get into a pair of jeans by the end of this month. Right now, I can pull them on all the way but cannot button them up.

I went to a kettlebell class this morning, and going hiking this afternoon. No food really in my fridge right now, so I ate some crackers and cereal - but I will go shopping this evening, and have a perfectly Primal dinner :)

My goal is to get back to no grains, starting ... now!

BibBob
05-01-2010, 02:32 PM
This is great. I've been stumbling around this site looking for this! I've been blathering on in the "avoid grains" thread in the support forum. Today is MAYDAY for me. I am starting a paleo diet today.

My current weight is 368 pounds. My goal is 198. I'm 48 years old, 6'2", and at my all time heaviest. I'm stil a junior member here, but I am really motivated and have been studying up on primal/paleo/low carb for a few months. I am going to follow the "get started" instructions at a blog called PaNu, so I am not following any "for sale" diet plan. Just trusting Dr. Harris has the right ideas for me.

Nice to find a support group. I'm going to go work on my gardener's hamstrings now.


koceank29
05-01-2010, 06:55 PM
Welcome Cheeky and Bibbob! The more the merrier!

I need to do my measurements, gotta wait for a spare moment when my husband gets home!LOL!

Today was another great day...

B:eggs, spicy ground beef,espresso with coconut milk
S:avocado pudding again!
D:salmon,goat cheese,green beans,90%dark chocolate

I can't wait for tomorrow, lots of activity planned! I am picking up a sledge hammer tomorrow, really liked the exercises with it I saw on the MDA forum, my husband will like them too and they'll be good for days we can't get to the gym...looks like it will work tons of muscles that get overlooked in standard weight lifting.

srmb60
05-01-2010, 08:49 PM
Hi folks!

Well, we'll call that the haagen-dazs experiment and declare it a waste of a loverly afternoon.
Despite a huge crash at about 4 (and it wasn't a nice primal tired) I did get lots of stuff done. My exercise was pushing a wheelbarrel full of bags of dirt.
I managed to fix my macros by eating bacon and eggs for supper.

BibBob
05-01-2010, 10:51 PM
I'm stuffed so I'm done eating for the day. I did an unintentional intermittent fast skipping breakfast because the kid got pancakes and I passed. Then I got busy with work and skipped lunch. That led to deciding to take a long walk before eating, which got me almost to dinner. I had some almonds and celery as an appetizer, pulled a lovely round roast out of the crock pot and steamed a whole head of cabbage. I ate plenty -- filling up on the cabbage. I calculate my total calories for the day at about 1000 - 1100, total carbs under 50 grams, and I am sated. Feeling fine.

I don't have a scale that can handle my weight and I DON'T want one, so I am weighing in at the doctor's office on the first of each month. I prefer not obsessing over it every day or even every week anyway.

I like your menu koceank. But WTH is avocado pudding?

Stick with us Cheeky. You can do this. Bread is the poison of civilization, the agent of modern disease. I'm stuffed on wonderful food -- grain free -- heading into fat burning ketosis -- healing my metabolic syndrome -- gettin' happy! :carrot:

kaplods
05-02-2010, 12:22 AM
I ordered Primal Blueprint from the library and was just informed that it was "too popular" to loan out through Interlibrary loan. Our library staff, on hearing of the book has promised to put it on the purchase list. I'm sure I'll have bought and read it by then, but it was nice that they were so interested in the book.

I did something else "primal" today (sort of). Hubby and I went geocaching with a friend (wandering around the woods, hunting for hidden hidden trinkets).

I am so sore, I can hardly move. I wasn't moving fast (and I was using my cane for balance and support), but I was able to make it to two of the three caches (about 2 to 2.5 miles, in total, I think).

I am going to be very, very sore tomorrow. I had a minor allergic reaction to something in the woods (had to pop a benedryl and use my steroid cream on my face. My entire face turned bright, the skin swelled a bit and I felt like my face was on fire). Oh, and I had my first full body "tick check" (I'm a real Wisconsinite, now!)

If I can get out of bed tomorrow, I'll be surprised.

BibBob
05-02-2010, 12:56 AM
I managed to fix my macros by eating bacon and eggs for supper.

What does that mean? :?:

srmb60
05-02-2010, 07:28 AM
BibBob ... I've been a card carryin' member of calorie counters/fitday for so long that I've found myself pretty much unable to eat without tracking. :devil: So, most of the time I track my foods and percentages of fats, carbs and protein in fitday.com.
After the ice cream, my carbs were waaaay too high in comparison to my fats and protein ... so I ate bacon and eggs.

And since I'm up early and have lots of time ... I'll explain that a little more.
When I first started primal blueprint I lost several pounds fast. Out of habit and curiosity I tracked my foods and was amazed to find that someone my size could lose weight on 1600, 1700 or 1800 cals. And when my losses slowed, I was happy to have that reference to see what I could tweak. It's also been handy to have when friends ask about that sort of thing.

Hi Colleen! So nice to have you here!
As time goes by, I find myself returning to Sisson's website when I have question about primal. It's really comprehesive. I've jealously guarded my book for a couple of months but ... I caught a coworker researching fertility meds on Friday. I offered to give her some weblinks. She then followed me to a private corner to learn more. 35 y o already had a bowel surgery, her DH has a terrible family cardiac history (and a history of his own already)... I will lend my book to them :hug:

Cheeky ... you stick with us hon, we'll help you. Would you mind telling us your height and weight?

koceank29
05-02-2010, 09:42 AM
Cheeky definitely stick with it and do the besst you can right now, I'm a huge believer in this lifestyle for not only physical health but mental!

Bibbob- You did great! Have you been eating like this a while or just dabbling? You'll definitely notice a visible difference IMO without the scale, this lifestyle has helped me burn so much fat,especcially from my belly. Its great!
I saw on Marks site an avocado pudding recipe and gave it whirl, actually good! 1 avocado,1/4c coconut milk(or almond),.5 tsp vanilla,1 tsp fresh lemon juice and a smidge of your choice of sweetener(I used stevia) - Blend it all up with a mixer /food processor and enjoy!

Colleen: tick checks...aren't they a joy! Geocaching sounds fun, definitely primal, its like you were on the hunt!LOL!

Susan- Haagan-Daaz experiment didn't go so well? I am going on a few vacations this summer and have been talking with my hubby about whether I'll treat myself to any old treats(funnel cake on the boardwalk kind of stuff) but I'm not sure its even worth it...I can't help but think I'll end up paying for it and be so miserable afterwards that there is no point in even eating it. I don't feel deprived one bit eating the way I have been, so I think, why mess up a good thing!

CheekyMo27
05-02-2010, 10:17 AM
Thanks for the welcome guys! I'm going to stick with it this month.

Susan - Due to some psychological issues I'm dealing with, I'm no longer weighing myself. I suspect I'm somewhere between 225-230 pounds, and I'm 5'7" - 5'8". I have a lot of trouble with numbers on the scale, so I'm tossing it!

Up, having my coffee, thinking I should scramble some eggs for breakfast and wondering what to do today. It's definitely time to grocery shop, so maybe I'll do that, come back here and clean my room (oh dear, does it ever need to be done!), and then I've got some plans this afternoon to tutor a student ... so that's going to be my day, I think! I'm pretty sore from the kettlebells yesterday, and I also went on a short hike with a friend (about an hour) - so probably no formal exercise today. However, a nice long walk at some point would be good ...

srmb60
05-02-2010, 10:37 AM
I love primal grocery shopping! Have fun Cheeky!

Oh and I only asked about weight and height because I think that fiddling with percentages and detailies is something that we don't need to worry about to begin a sizeable weight loss.

BibBob
05-02-2010, 12:57 PM
Thanks Susan. It was the term "macros" I was unfamiliar with, but I gotta say fixing the ice cream with bacon and eggs is so counterintuitive that it just has to be right! :D

Thanks for the recipe koceank. And yesterday was my first day of this lifestyle.

Brief confession that may only make sense to me. I decided on New Year's NOT to fly into another destined to yo yo and fail crash diet like I have so many times. I like fasting for quick weight loss, but long term it has not proven wise.

I write for a living, and I've found when researching a hot topic, like emerging accounting issues for derivatives and defense contractors (hehe), the fresh information itself is motivational for me. The better the new information the more motivated I am to get the story right. So, I developed this personal theory that if I was going to get healthy maybe I could apply this quirk of my personality to get myself right, rather than a topic. Weight loss inspiration has always come easy then waned. So my idea was Inspiration + Information = Lasting Motivation. Make sense? That led me to research everything diet related with a deep passion I never had before -- it became information, a research project, not just a pain in my fat butt. I did not diet during this process. I looked at 100+ programs/systems/diets over those 4 months. I read between 4-10 hours a day on the topic. I've mentioned in a few posts that I was prepared, even expecting, to emerge from this a vegetarian, possibly raw vegan from the data I started with. I set a date of May 1st to be informed and inspired and get this right for the last time. Man, I hope it works. Here's the real confession. For the last 10 days or so, I knew the paleo lifestyle had won me over after all that reading. So, during the final 10 days, I said goodbye to all the foods I was about to eliminate by indulging in them. I am sure I put on 15 pounds in those ten days. Ugh. Stupid, but it is what it is.

Susan -- Grocery shopping was shocking! 9/10ths of the store is poison!

kaplods
05-02-2010, 01:21 PM
SusanB - thanks for the website info, it will help until I finish the book (I'm buying it this weekend, I think. If B&N has a copy, otherwise I'll check amazon and have to wait a few days to get it). I've read The Paleo Diet, NeanderThin, The Paleolithic Prescription (that one was a long time ago, though) and also Refuse to Regain (in which the author refers to "Primarian eating") which all share a lot of the same premises regarding the most appropriate foods.


koceank29 Yeah I'm a scary hunter-gatherer, hobbling in the woods with my cane. It was SO fun (and I am so sore, but feel victorious that I can move - sometimes after unexpected levels of exhertion my muscles cramp up so badly I can barely stand up - I'm not so sure how straight I'm standing, but I can walk so I'm doing good). Funny though, I didn't even think of it, but my hubby is a big-time foodie and was pointing out the forest flora that were edible (such as the fiddlehead ferns, "taste like asparagus" he told us).

BibBob - Inspiration + Information = Lasting Motivation. Oh Yeah. I have to keep feeding myself information though, or I get sloppy. I don't think I've ever had "Lasting Motivation" and I think it's because I need a constant diet of information to stoke the fires of motivation. After all, I read The Paleolithic prescription nearly 20 years ago (sounded inspiring, but I yielded to the common wisdom of the day - that it was a "fad diet," dangerous because it eliminated the "food group" of grains).

Ilene
05-02-2010, 06:03 PM
Hey gang... I lost 2 lbs in April... I haven't lost inches though, but my client noticed this morning that I had lost weight, so that really counts for something :D in my book....

CheekyMo27 and BibBob :welcome: to Primal :wave:

kocean : what IS avocado pudding?... I had the best avocado yesterday, I cut it in half and took the pit out and then just added some sea salt and at it like that OMG it was good!

UN fortunately the weekend has not been very Primal :frypan: Supper will be though!

srmb60
05-02-2010, 08:44 PM
Here's quicky body fat calculator for you. Not very scientific, but better than nothing. If I could figure out how to program my scale ... ;)

http://www.easycalculation.com/health/body-fat.php

koceank29
05-02-2010, 09:15 PM
I don't know Susan, it says I'm 28.8% body fat, I'm musclular, but I think I'm more around 35%. One of these days I'll have a real test done!

So I can't find my measurements from March so I'm just going to have to start over on that part of things, I know I've lost a lot though. I lost 24 lbs in April, I can only hope and work hard in order to lose that much in May!

Had a BAS for dinner, it was my best yet! Arugula,Red Leaf Lettuce,Roasted Chicken,avocado,bacon,pepper,tomato,goat cheese,mushrooms,roasted almonds,White Balsamic Lemon Vinagrette(homemade) YUMMY! I'm already contemplating what the next salad will be in a few days! Tomorrow I'll be IFing half the day, from 5:00pm today till 11 or 12 tomorrow.

srmb60
05-02-2010, 09:43 PM
No that doesn't sound right does it. Sorry ... I guess I'll have to find my calipers or figure out my scale.

CheekyMo27
05-02-2010, 11:46 PM
Well, I had a great weekend overall - not foodwise, but in terms of time spent outdoors moving around, it was great! Kettlebells yesterday, then the hike, and then 1.5-2 hours biking today. I'm a bit sore, but in a good way :)

I'm going to plan out tomorrow's menu. Actually, I think it will be my menu for the next 2-3 days, but lunch might vary a bit if I can find some decent celery tomorrow at the market, to use for tuna salad ...

Breakfast: 2 eggs, scrambled in butter. Coffee. Banana and/or yogurt.

Lunch: Salad with some kind of protein (will have to buy lunch tomorrow), and possibly a vegetable-based soup.

Snacks for work: Walnuts, pear.

Dinner: Making lettuce "tacos" - beef, black beans (not primal, but not looking to cut out beans just yet), tomatoes, onions, spices, cilantro, etc. Wrapped up in romaine lettuce leaves, sprinkle of cheddar. Topped with a mixture of mashed avocado and salsa.

kaplods
05-02-2010, 11:47 PM
just got back from Marks website. Awesome recipes. The first one I'm going to try is the Thai-inspired salad of Awesome!


http://www.marksdailyapple.com/thai-inspired-salad-of-awesome/

BibBob
05-03-2010, 12:36 AM
What's BAS? sigh. I assume the S is for salad. Wait. Is it Big @ss Salad? :)

I make those sometimes.

I had a steak and three egg omelette for brunch; leftover roast and cabbage for dinner. Same approximate #s as yesterday. 1100 or so cals and under 50 grams of carb.

I'm experiencing something interesting. I feel hungry through my meals, and I am craving bread. It seems to stick with me for about an hour after eating then subsides. I feel like I haven't eaten enough, at the same time I know I have. No big deal because it's been cabbage for two days, but after that hour of craving I feel bloated. I wouldn't call this the cravings of carb addiction. I think that would be a little dramatic for what I am feeling, but it is causing me to pace a little. Also, my energy level seems low, not depleted. I feel sleepy every time I sit down too. I am sleeping "pretty good" at night. At least no different than before.

Just sharing what a noob is noticing after two days.

srmb60
05-03-2010, 07:11 AM
A study of one again (me) but I can't do cabbage. Too puffy gassy yuck!

My DH comes from a farm family background. Bread with every meal. Very shortly after dinner, he wanders into the kitchen searching. He's not even really sure what he wants :D Just lately he's been grabbing cheese or an egg and that's working just fine.

I grazed at first. That's a habit that I picked up trying to keep my blood sugars level. The first couple of weeks (I think I said it in the April thread) I wouldn't have dreamed of trying IF. That'll change. I can go hours without eating and not feel weak and tired now. Your body needs to get used to the fact that you're carrying an energy supply and it doesn't need a fast shot of anything.
I should go hunting and see just how long it took for me to get over that "low carb flu" thing but I'm afraid it'll seem frighteningly long for some folks. Rest assured that it was worth the wait!

I really struggled to get my cals over 1000 yesterday. Wanted to, didn't want to ... I was pretty physically active gardening yesterday and thought I ought to be hungry. Wasn't.
cals 1095
Fats 63%
Protein 23%
Carbs 6%
and a glass of wine

Today ... I'm having whipping cream in my coffee and an omega 6 capsule
lunch is a can of salmon and chopped up vegetables with almonds
supper is pork in the crockpot so far
oh and I have a couple of hard boiled eggs in my bag.

Ilene
05-03-2010, 10:29 AM
Today's menu so far:

B: 2 boiled eggs -- bowl of mixed fruits, bberries, sberries, rberries, spoonful of stewed fresh from the garden rhubarb that I made yesterday no sugar or artificial sugars added it's very tart but delish, 1T grnd flax, 1T sunflower seeds, 8 almonds, 8 walnuts, a dolop of yogurt ... Delish breakfast :hun:
S: celery and 2 triangles of laughing cow, last week I was only able to eat one triangle, I am getting fuller much faster these days...
L: BAS of lettuce, cukes, grated cabbage, oil, tuna or salmon canned...
S: probably last nights leftovers of green beans, salad, chicken...

Run this afternoon weather permitting, gym tonight as always :strong:

koceank29
05-03-2010, 10:30 AM
Cheeky: Sounds like you're doing great...keep it up!

Bibbob: Yep, you got it, BAS! Thats what they call it on the MDA site so I thought, describes it pretty good, it was big! You probably are feeling the effects of low carb flu kicking in, stay strong, once it subsides you will feel so great on the other end of it! 1 key to not getting so hungry is the fat, make sure you're eating enough or using enough, I didn't do so great on that the 1st few weeks and now I pay more attention to how much fat I get, it helps satisfy you for much longer.

Susan: You're inspiring me to get out my crockpot, so easy yet I don't put it to use enough. What are your favorite cuts of meat for the crockpot?

Today(I had planned to IF, but I woke up so hungry, salad from last night didn't tie me over enough)
B: Sausage,spinach,veggie frittata/espresso w/coconut milk
L: Salad with Mackerel
D: ?

koceank29
05-03-2010, 10:32 AM
Ilene: How do you prepare rhubarb? I'm a huge fan but have never done it.

wendyland
05-03-2010, 10:53 AM
I'm so glad to see some new people! I had intentions of starting my stricter primal diet on May 1, but just could pass up some temptation this weekend. Like a babyshower yesterday with the best cake. But, then I only had a ribeye steak and a couple of pieces of pork for dinner.

I'm starting today off right with two sausage patties (yeah! for finding nitrate free sausage) and 2 eggs scrambled in butter. I also bought a fancy new pill holder so that I can divy up all of my vitamins and actually REMEMBER to take them every day. I follow the vitamin plan from healingnaturallybybee website.

My plan for this week is to keep it at 100 carbs or less per day. After a week of being around 100 carbs, I want to drop to 50 - 75 per day.

Weight: 240

Fressca
05-03-2010, 11:33 AM
Hey everybody :wave:

Well, I managed to stay about the same during April which I'm taking as a victory given the craziness with the kitchen and whatnot.

But here we are - May - and I'm ready to roll! Primal all the way, baby. Plan for today:

B: coffee with coconut oil
L: bacon & eggs
D: beef/chicken/fish (haven't decided yet) with roasted peppers and onions
Snacks, if I need to, will be almond butter on a spoon - yum!

The kettlebell DVDs haven't arrived yet; maybe today, though.

BibBob
05-03-2010, 12:42 PM
Thanks for the flashy welcome Ilene. :) This is fun. I have four sisters so I'm used to being the one fat dude. We once all vacationed in Hawaii together and I vowed to never do anything like that again without male support!

Hi Wendy and Fressca. Fressca? Coffee with coconut oil? Wut the hey?

Wendy, I worry a little about nitrates too, but Dr. Eades at Protein Power seems to think the dangers are way over stated. Nice find on the sausage though. I'll go hunting and gathering for some soon. I can only find uncured bacon online so far.

Susan -- you supplement Omega 6? Wow. I need to boost my 3s. 2 pounds of wild salmon and 5 pounds of ling cod are in the freezer. I was going to grill one of them tonight, but I may just fast today.

I freaked out last night around midnight.:tantrum:

I don't know if I was truly hungry or just craving, but there was no way I was going to sleep without stuffing my face. Desperate I scanned the pantry. I have so much pasta and flour and bisquick and rice and potatoes, bad oils, meh. I feel bad that my kid is going to eat this stuff. In the fridge I found a package of kosher franks and ate 2 -- just munched them cold, one right after the other. Bah. 300 calories and I was not sated. I thought about bacon and eggs, but I hunted down a can of Costco's chicken breast. I dumped it in a bowl to make chicken salad, probably planning on bread with it, but my mayo is made from bad oil. So, I spiced up the chicken until it tasted not so bland, black pepper and tobasco, onion, garlic. It's pretty salty as is. I was going for hotwing flavor. I stuffed it in three large romaine leaves sat in front of this pooter and ate it all like three nice sandwiches. According to the can that's 210 calories of chicken. I slept fine and at 9am I am headed off on a 10 mile slow hike without breakfast. So I ended up over 1500 calories yesterday with some strange late night munching, but keeping it low carb.

Fasting is pretty easy for me generally, so I just may go without today, or give in at midnight for a 24 hour fast. I have water fasted for 7-10 days numerous times in my life. I actually like the process and feel awesome after 3 days until my body insists I eat. I never know when that will be. I went for 7 days this past February. I didn't weigh myself but the results were obvious. I have even juice fasted for 30 days. No solids at all. I lost 50 pounds that month and had ridiculously high energy throughout. Anyway, those types of "diets" make me very impatient to see results with anything else, because despite the nonsense about them slowing metabolism so you don't lose weight, believe me the weight melts off of starving people. I woke up thinking about taking off some fast easy pounds with a fast. It's just so unsustainable, it'd probably be a mistake. We'll see how today goes. I may be famished after this hike.

CheekyMo27
05-03-2010, 02:44 PM
Hi Everyone!

BibBob - Crash diets might be tempting for some, but remember - slow and steady wins the race! I've never managed to keep weight off unless I did it in a sustainable way ... and that will hold as true for the Primal lifestyle as any other that I've tried. I think you're doing great. Keep it up!

Kara and Ilene - Your menus for today, especially your breakfasts, sound sooo yum. I don't know why, but I've been so turned off cooking lately. I gotta get over it and make some healthy breakfast foods!

Susan - I can't imagine ever getting to the point where I work my a** off like that without eating a thing ...

koceank29
05-03-2010, 02:59 PM
Cheeky I go through cooking phases...sometimes I skip dinner just so I don't have to cook, it can get to be a lot cooking 3 meals a day and the dishes...whew!

BibBob: 10 miles? that is impressive...I'm jealous! I hope it went well!

Ilene
05-03-2010, 05:05 PM
Ilene: How do you prepare rhubarb? I'm a huge fan but have never done it.I just clean it, cut it and put it in a pot and let it simmer till it looks like apple sauce, I used to add Splenda or sugar but now I just eat it added to other fruits, like berries... It's very tart but yummy...

srmb60
05-03-2010, 05:26 PM
Nope, you're right. It's Omega 3's I take. Sorry. I'm so bad with either/or's

Crockpot? Fatty pork roasts, beef roasts ... I did a pile of chicken legs last week with spices. I'm experimenting. It's all good!

Gotta go pull some weeds. I'll post better later :D

kaplods
05-03-2010, 08:04 PM
I just clean it, cut it and put it in a pot and let it simmer till it looks like apple sauce, I used to add Splenda or sugar but now I just eat it added to other fruits, like berries... It's very tart but yummy...

It's good raw too (in very small amounts), if you like very, very sour things.

When my brother and I were kids, we had a big rhubarb patch in the back yard and when the rhubarb was ripe, we'd eat the stalk raw (sometimes we'd each get a small bowl with a couple tablespoons of sugar and we'd dip the rhubarb in sugar before each bite).

I always save at least one stalk to eat raw whenever I buy rhubarb (using Splenda instead of sugar). You don't want to eat too many raw though, as it can have a laxative effect (when we were kids we'd usually make ourselves sick with the first rhubarb of the season, forgetting every year how much was too much).

koceank29
05-03-2010, 08:43 PM
Thanks guys! When I was younger I lived in NY and my mom would always go this one farmstand and buy homemade strawberry rhubarb pies...I am going to attempt a Primal version. But I love sour and tart things, so rhubarb is perfect for me. Thanks for letting me know about the laxative effect, "note to self"!!!!!

BibBob
05-03-2010, 08:45 PM
It's not funny how many of my recipes include breading, or a can of soup loaded with carbs, or something sugary like bbq sauce. Is soy sauce out for primals? I'm about to cook some cod and debating how to cook it, so this will make an 17-18 hour fast. I have only had water today. Oh and a little hunk of provolone when I got in the door. See those are the things that we lose track of.

My go to cod meal would be fish and chips or fish tacos. Breaded and pan fried in olive oil and garlic topped with a lemon wedge has been requested. I guess I can do a few like that and do mine without the breading. Adding fries for the kid, slow roasted broccoli for both of us and a spinach salad for me.

Oh, the hike was great. My next door neighbor gave me ride at the 8 mile mark. It's getting hot here and walks like that will be few and far between very soon. I walk liesurely koceank so don't let the distance impress you. One of the paleo blogs has a long thread about long meandering walks being the most beneficial. It works for me. Keeps my back and joints from aching and I am lucky to have three hours in the mid morning to hunt and gather. I took a long break at five miles in an air-conditioned market. ;)

No coconut oil in this town.

BibBob
05-03-2010, 08:46 PM
Primal strawberry rhubarb? Be sure to report back on THAT one!

srmb60
05-03-2010, 10:01 PM
I got nothin' new kids. I'm nicely tired and am pretty much ready for bed.

Oh how about a recipe?

Those butt chops in the crockpot? I took them out when I got home from owrk and threw a can of kale in the drippings. I chopped up some of the meat and fat and slopped a big scoop of the kale over top. It was wonderful!

Ilene
05-03-2010, 10:45 PM
It's good raw too (in very small amounts), if you like very, very sour things.

When my brother and I were kids, we had a big rhubarb patch in the back yard and when the rhubarb was ripe, we'd eat the stalk raw (sometimes we'd each get a small bowl with a couple tablespoons of sugar and we'd dip the rhubarb in sugar before each bite).

I always save at least one stalk to eat raw whenever I buy rhubarb (using Splenda instead of sugar). You don't want to eat too many raw though, as it can have a laxative effect (when we were kids we'd usually make ourselves sick with the first rhubarb of the season, forgetting every year how much was too much).

My brother and I used to do the same :lol:


Today's macro nutrients were : 1,242 cals, 86.6 fat, 61.6 carbs, 67.6 protein... I should eat more protein but I'm not hungry :shrug: ...

I had the best medley of roasted veggies tonight, broccoli, cauliflower, red and green peppers, sprinkled with Parmesan cheese and Italian seasoning with olive oil...delish :hun:

kaplods
05-03-2010, 11:06 PM
Hubby and I ate out today for both brunch and dinner. Breakfast was easy (gyro omelette with feta cheese and extra onion and bell pepper).

Dinner was even easier. We weren't planning on dinner out, but one of our errands today was shopping the asian grocery stores (found a new one which has a deli and a small dining area). I found my favorite smiling fish products (cheapest I've found in town, 85 cents a can instead of $1.00). Smiling fish is a Thai brand of canned seafood. They may can other things, but I buy the sardines and mackerel (often in flavored sauces such as tomato sauce, chili sauce, and curries). Some of the products are extremely low-carb, but some have added sugar so I have to read the labels carefully.

In the deli we bought food to take home. Both hubby and I made very primal choices. I had laab, which is a minced meat salad (the meat was beef, but it can be made with any meat) flavored with green onion, lime, chilis, cilantro, lemon grass, basil, mint and served with a large bed of lettuce (sometimes cabbage instead of or in addition to the lettuce). Slices of tripe (just the inner stomach, and cooked until very tender) and pork skin are sometimes added. Mine had tripe, but no pork skin (beef skin is more authentic, but pork skin is easier to get than beef skin, I've been told).

Hubby chose a thai-style sausage and a pork rib (a strip of boneless rib meat with a thick ribbon of fat covering the meat and the skin still attached).

I got a little bit of the rib (there was only one left or we would have each gotten one). They're awesome. Our friend Kia who owns a thai restaurant makes them better, but she hasn't been able to get in the pork with the skin attached, and you really want that strip of skin, because it's like a pork-flavored cross between bubble-gum and jolly rancher (the texture, not the flavor).

I know it sound weird, but it's a heavenly bit of porky goodness.

The sausage is an all-meat sausage with oriental flavors (cilantro, lemon-grass, fish sauce and garlic).

And we got everything for under $10. Can't beat that for dinner for two (and there is some of the sausage leftover, because it was over a foot long).

A little low on veggies today, so I'll try to pay extra attention to the veggies tomorrow. I made a huge pot of ground pork stir-fried with garlic, scallions, fish sauce and a huge mess of pea leaves.

Pea leaves are another great find from the asian markets. They're the young leaves of pea plants (the french restaurants call them pea tendrils and charge lots of money for them. In the asian stores and the farmer's market they're $1 a bunch. The leaves have the texture of delicate cabbage (raw). Cooked they're almost like spinach.

Also at the market I found garlic chive flower buds. Awesome. They taste like a cross between chive and garlic, but instead of having to peel them, you can slice them like regular chives (they're a little meatier than normal chives, almost like a super tiny green onion). The unopened garlic buds are very delicately garlic flavored. Sweeter than the youngest garlic clove you can imagine.

Ilene
05-03-2010, 11:34 PM
kaplods -- Wow sounds like you had a great time primal shopping :hun: you are definitely making me hungry!!

srmb60
05-04-2010, 06:11 AM
Hungry? I just want to go shopping with them ;)

I don't think any of my chives are garlic chives. I might have to add that to my list of things to plant.

Fressca
05-04-2010, 08:49 AM
BibBob: Fressca? Coffee with coconut oil? Wut the hey?

:lol: It's something I read about ages ago on a low-carb forum; thought I'd try it because CO is a very healthy oil and supplementing with it can improve your Omega 3 to 6 ratio. At first I didn't like it (oil slick on top of hot coffee), but I persevered and now - yum. I get the extra virgin kind that still has a mild coconut taste; the expeller pressed kind has no taste and can be used for frying.

Yesterday was good! It turned out like this:

B: coffee with coconut oil
L: bacon and eggs
S: peanut butter (ack! should've been almond)
D: salmon fillet, green beans, wine

Looks very low on calories, but I certainly wasn't hungry.

Today will be similar with something pork-y for dinner.

Kaplods, your shopping expedition sounds fabulous! What a great market.

koceank29
05-04-2010, 09:48 AM
I want to go shopping with you kaplods! I miss asian markets, when I lived in Hong Kong it was so great to just run down to the market and find all kinds of unique foods that we'd never eat otherwise! I'll have to do some research and find one near me! You definitely can't beat that price for both you and hubby to eat.

I'll report back on the straw-rhubarb pie, I'm thinking of an almond crust, I'll give a go this weekend.

Ilene, your veggies sounded delicious.

BibBob, you could do an almond or coconut crust or both, that would be tasty, not the same, but good!

I have a busy week so I'm hoping the scale will move some!
Yesterday I ate my salad for lunch at 12:15 and by the time I had a minute to relax at 5:45 I wasn't even hungry, so I drank a cup of decaf and called it a day foodwise. After the kids were in bed last night I did some a Jillian Michaels DVD, she kicks my butt, not Primal but I like how driven she is and her that DVD is a monster!

No rain finally today, so I'll be going outside for a walk and gardening, I'm about to head to the gym for a jog, I'm shooting for 2 miles today!

Have a great day everyone!

BibBob
05-04-2010, 12:07 PM
Describe the symptoms of carb flu please. I don't have any typical flu symptoms. I just feel very tired this morning.

I am pretty much on a Warrior Diet IF pattern and since it's no bother, I think I will stick with it. I am skipping breakfast and lunch and eating a filling dinner and topping off with a late night snack. Dinner was about 8 oz of cod grilled in butter and garlic with a big pile of roasted broccoli. Late night snacking was two more Hebrew National dogs wrapped in romaine, two hard boiled eggs and two slices of swiss cheese. That snack is about 700 calories -- maybe more than the dinner, which I cannot calculate because of the butter, but my guess is about 700 also.

I'm wondering if I'm doing this right, knowing there probably isn't one right way. I want to be in full blown ketosis. I like that feeling and the taste in my mouth sort of reminds me good things are happening. Fasting always puts me right there. I'm not sure with this type if eating. I guess I should pick up some ketosicks or maybe I shouldn't worry about it.

I am obsessing a little about not feeling that mental clarity boost, about not feeling any weight loss (though I haven't weighed), about almost always feeling full except maybe an hour before dinner, about how much fat I should consume and if I am screwing that up.

I doubt you ladies can talk me off the water fasting ledge. I am very close to going for a "cleanse" to "know" I have taken off some fat, to "know" I am in ketosis, and to feel better. I am having coffee right now with no plans of eating anything today. My stomach hasn't growled once since I started. I like it when my belly is talking. It means good things are happening.

My brother would read this post and say it's a good thing I went to a forum for chicks because I am acting just like one. :p

srmb60
05-04-2010, 05:02 PM
Crap! I lost my post! Ok let me see ...

I have used ketosticks. I lost weight with and without them. I only was ever in ketosis but eating fat, not by fasting.

I'm not sure if low carb flu is a real thing or not. It's probably just the symptoms of your body learning to use fat stores for energy. I felt hypoglycemic. Stupid, lethargic, droopy, weak ... Kinda like I used to feel that a cup of coffee with cream and sugar helped.

There the phone rang and I had to talk for a while so I really have no idea what else I was going to say ;)

BibBob
05-04-2010, 06:34 PM
Thanks Susan. That's a decent description of how I felt, but I would add depressed and lacking any motivation whatsoever. I got over it and ended up very productive. Just now taking a break. I'm smoking the rest of the cod. I'm also upset to find sugar and refined oils in just about everything. How important is it to worry about the safflower and peanut oil in my almonds or the sugar in bacon?

Back on the flu thing, the juice fasters all warned me that I was going to detox and get very sick for a couple days. It never happen. Dr. Harris (PaleoNu) doesn't buy the idea that burning fat where toxins are stored creates detox symptoms and I agree that's probably wishful thinking and simplified biology from the cleansing and fasting fad, but I definitely felt funky this morning. I'm thinking the difference is sugar. Juice fasting had me running on sugar from the fruit and I felt great. I've consumed no sugar but a couple slices of bacon in four days. I'm all for the change but whatever adjustment my body needs to make, I hope it hurries.

srmb60
05-05-2010, 06:31 AM
Oh yes Bob, it'll pass. Just hang in there.

I'm beginning to understand why folks try low carb, celebrate losing several pounds in the first few days and then quit after a few weeks. There is definitely a transitional period. And it ain't pleasant but it does pass.

koceank29
05-05-2010, 10:04 AM
BibBob...yep, its that sugar. I felt weird for a week or so starting on day 4ish. I just felt lightheaded and groggy, but that went away and its been great since. The sugar in bacon is usually very minimal, lots of PBers don't worry about it, others buy the more expensive 4.99/5.99 stuff that usually won't have sugar, my budget doesn't allow so I stick with the best I can find. As far the oils, I would try to limit safflower oil and peanut oils but don't just trash the almonds, when you're done with them opt for raw almonds or roasted almonds IMO.

So...I went 23 hrs without eating yesterday, that was just crazy to me. I never got hungry after breakfast(3 eggs,espresso w/coconut milk/6 oz. sausage) and just drank my water all day and felt great. I even ran a 1.5 miles and walked 1 mile and did a few strength exercises. My husband thinks I'm loony, I still can't believe how great I feel. I did break the fast this morning because I had an early meeting and I got nervous thinking I might not be focused enough, but I think next time I'll stick it out to the 24 or more mark.

Ilene
05-05-2010, 10:11 AM
Now that I think of it, remember girls/guys when I had the pains in my stomach for a week or so, 2 weeks ago, this may have been the way my body was reacting to deal with withdrawals... Interesting :yes:

wendyland
05-05-2010, 10:47 AM
Fressca & bibbob: I don't drink coffee, but I love coconut oil in my hot tea. It's the only way I can drink it without sugar. I buy nutiva brand in a big tub. It does have a more coconuty flavor than some oils, which I love. I think I bought it either from amazon or luckyvitamins. I'm not sure. It's also great topical. I use it for my daughter's diaper rash.

I'm not doing too well on being primal. I'm having a hard time with stress this week from work. I'm going to get groceries tonight so that I am better prepared to say no to temptations.

BibBob
05-05-2010, 01:33 PM
Hi Wendy / Everybody,

My quest for local coconut oil continues. The last market in this whistle stop of a town is a three mile walk, so I'm heading out in a few minutes. If that fails I will be in Los Angeles in two weeks helping my mom who's having knee surgery at age 83. I'll stock up on paleo supplies then. Also, I'm hesitant offer motivational encouragement beyond the most basic, but one of the reasons I chose this diet is because it's pretty easy compared to other nonsense I have tried. I personally made a lifetime commitment on May 1st after carefully analyzing what that meant, right down to how to handle stress, bad habits, restaruants, holidays, tragedies, successes, everything. Wrap your mind around the idea that this diet works in any occasion and pack some smoked salmon and macadamia nuts with you. I know we have to limit some major "food" sources from our previous lifestyle, but just look at what that lifestyle did and eat something paleo! I put food in parentheses for a reason. ;)

Yesterday ended up being the same as the others. I put the smoked cod in a BAS with a bunch of raw spinach and other goodies. Grilled some thin pork chops and roasted more broccoli. The late night snack was about a cup and a half of the last of the broc. Pretty solid day. My guess is 13-1400 calories and under 50 grams of carbs.

Ilene, I have a subtle ache in my stomach after every decent sized meal, but this has gone on for about a year. Since feeling funky that same ache has been constant. It will pass, I am sure.

koceank -- I'm going to have to knock off the late night munchies if I am going to make a 24 hour fast. It's either that or eat nothing all day until midnight and that just seems wrong. You keep inspiring me. Tonight a bigger dinner finished by 6 and no late night caving. Then we'll see if I can make in 24 hours. That late night snack has me waking up full and in no need of fuel through my day. Whatever works, right?

ps... I noticed my face looks thinner while I was shaving... woot!

Have a good day all.

srmb60
05-05-2010, 05:29 PM
I ran into the guy I've gotten organic beef from once before! So, I've got a quarter coming later this month!

Could be Ilene. Are you feeling better?

I put coconut oil on my legs.

Wendy, grocery shopping always renews my conviction that I'm doing this and enjoying it.

Ilene
05-05-2010, 05:37 PM
Susan, thanks for asking, I am fine now... Although I am really hungry today... gonna have some BA veggies tonight with shrimp :hun: It's gonna be good :yes:

koceank29
05-05-2010, 06:55 PM
I've seen people writing how great coconut oil is for their skin, I may buy a gallon and put a little in my bathroom, it couldn't hurt!

Ilene, that definitely couldv'e been the reason for your tummy troubles.

I was a sidekick to my friends grocery shopping trip, wow, I really see things so much clearer now, I just wish my closest friends and relatives would also get the wake up call...her cart was full, full of boxed foods and other junk, I think I saw 1 watermelon and a few bananas go in. While we were there I also saw a family with 2 carts and they must have had every piece of junk in each cart, between frozen dinners and ice cream and cookies and chips, etc....its one thing to moderate certain things, but when that is your entire diet...WOW! I almost felt sick just looking at all the food they were piling in there, I wish I had a pamphlet or something I couldv'e snuck to them.LOL!

BibBob: I think you made a great choice choosing this lifestyle, and it is easy. I tell myself each day that I'm not depriving myself and enjoy all of this energy that has come from this choice. I know that I'll always have to watch my carb intake, but really I've learned that I should be more mindful of the choices I make since they affect my body in different ways. You do what feels right in regards to the late nite snack, I know that for me to lose the amount of weight I need to that late nite snacks are a no-no, plus I hate feeling full in bed, just personal preference. AWESOME that you are noticing a difference in your face! It will only get better!

Today:
B-3 eggs, 4 bacon, espresso w/cm
S-strawberries
D-Pesto Shrimp salad(I made a pistachio pesto,shrimp,squash,mushrooms,tomato,feta,lettuces ...it was good!)

BibBob
05-05-2010, 07:58 PM
My impatience was fed with good news today. My blood pressure, measured twice a month for the last year, has been high and bothering me. I have avoided meds insisting I could get a handle on it with diet. 138-149 over 101-115 has been my range -- hypertension numbers. I check it at the pharmacy in that grocery store I walked to. So after a 3 mile walk, and given a 1/2 hour pushing a cart around and chatting with friends, I checked the bp. 128 over 78! No way. Checked it again 128 over 81. Finished shopping and walked to Walmart where they also have a machine. Checked it again. 129 over 79. Booyah!:broc:

srmb60
05-05-2010, 08:02 PM
That is awesome Bob!

BibBob
05-05-2010, 10:50 PM
Yeah my need for instant gratification that causes my fasts is happy about that.

How do people count calories.

I just ate a big salad with:
A strip of bacon (chopped to bits)
A couple tbspns of Feta
A couple ounces of smoked cod
A hard boiled egg
An avocado
A small carrot
A stick of celery
A handful of broccolo
A handful of cauliflower
Healthy handfuls of spinach and romaine
A splash each of balsamic and red wine vinegar


I ain't bothering to calculate that. Calories are probably fine, carbs are low. I also had some sauteed mushrooms. Now I just have to get to sleep without munching.

srmb60
05-06-2010, 06:33 AM
I think calorie counting is an old habit that is hard to break. I've read many times that it's not necessary for primal.
However ... if you ever run into some unhappy circumstance like a plateau or weakness or weariness ... it might be worth a try to see what you can tweak.
OTOH ... as far as your salad is concerned ... mostly, the vegetables won't add up to much. So whether you count a half cup or a whole cup, the calorie difference isn't much. If you wanted to count, the bacon, cheese, fish, egg, avocado would need to be more accurately measured. By cup or food scale. If you wanted to know. But if you're losing and your blood pressure is amazing ... just keep on doing what yer doin'.

Yesterday was quite awful at work. Actually, the whole week has been hard work! Too many very sick people and not enough nurses. I could really really use a much quieter day today. I really could.
My stamina is good but I could use a few moments once in a while to collect up my thoughts ;)

Ilene
05-06-2010, 10:01 AM
Hang in there Susan, times will get better, they usually do... :hug: <

I wouldn't bother calculating that either Bob...Since I've been doing Primal when I count my calories on Fitday I don't really look at calories but at carbs only... I've rarely gone over 1500 cals since being on this program. I'm coming to realise that I sure ate a LOT of carbs, good carbs, but still a LOT :lol: and they took up a good percentage of my intake of food...

TMI ahead --- Another thing that I've noticed about low carbing is that I have wayyyy less gas, but I regularly go to the bathroom :shrug: TMI :lol: I know ....

This morning I got time to take measurements and lost a half inch almost everywhere except my thighs where I lost a whole inch :carrot: ... I feel very slim today for some reason, my rings are loose, skirt is loose :D , it's all good ...

Does anyone get the daily email from Mark Sisson? There are some great bread alternative recipes today One is Golden Flax Bread which I will try in the next couple of days...

Have a great Primal day everyone :wave:

ETA: Yesterday's food was :
Fat (46%) Carbs (13%)
Protein (30%) Alcohol (11%)

wendyland
05-06-2010, 10:48 AM
Today is a new day! I had sausage and strawberries for breakfast. I went to the store last night and bought a rib eye steak and some broccoli. I'm looking forward to a lower carb day.

Looking back at yesterday, I didn't do to bad. My work picnic was after work. I had a piece of fried chicken, a bunch of raw veggies, a few strawberries and a cookie. I avoided soda, potato salad and pasta. Yeah!

koceank29
05-06-2010, 11:21 AM
BibBob, great job on the BP, what a difference! I wouldn't worry too much on the calories either, like Ilene said its more about the carbs. I counted in the beginning to get of an idea of how many I was eating and such, but I have since stopped and just keep a running tally in my head of the carbs throughout the day, I rarely go over 1600 calories I found and usually hang around 30g carbs, but I get plenty of fat!

Susan, you have such a difficult job I'm sure its very stressing at times, at least you know you're fueling yourself for those long days. I hope it calms down some!

Ilene: Funny! I noticed the same about the gas and I even commented to my husband that he has been unusually quiet on the gas front lately! Thank goodness, who knew, I should've had him start this a long time ago! LOL! That is so great about the inches coming off and your clothes fitting better, you're probably walking taller...I feel like I've grown an inch or so, I know its just because I am supporting my body more and feel more lean on the inside.

Wendy, good for you for avoiding the grains like the plague! The more you practice the easier it gets.

I have been volunteering at my sons school the past 2 mornings for breakfast with parents days...the PTA decided to buy every bad carb breakfast known to man and thats what I've been serving, I am embarrassed to be handing out this crap...donuts,pecan rolls,muffins,bagels,honey buns,pastries. I am so disappointed in our school for making these choices. I have joined the PTA now, I'll be 1 of 2 VP's and next school year I will be pushing for some major change at all of our sponsored events, this is so ridiculous, at least they could offer some fresh fruit.

Well, this morning I hit the gym for jogging and sprints on the treadmill and then some free weights, came home ate 2 eggs and meat and I'm not planning on eating much more today, maybe a snack around 4. I have to go clean for 2 hrs at 1:30(I own a cleaning business) so I'll get to burn off some more fat! YAY!

Hope everyone has a great day!

Ilene
05-06-2010, 12:07 PM
Kara :fr: that is discusting serving that to school age children!! I would definitely get on the PTA band wagon for next years morning menu!

CheekyMo27
05-06-2010, 04:00 PM
Hi Guys,

You're all doing so great! Keep it up!

I've been only so-so this week, but I've gotta keep going. I will admit, the carb cravings have been intense, and working through them ain't easy ... I mean, I know this isn't necessarily about "no carb," at least not for all of us, but sometimes, it feels like it is!

So far today, I've had the following - it's not PRIMAL, but I've avoided the grains so far, which is my focus for now:

Breakfast: Smoothie - milk, flax, banana, cocoa powder
Lunch - Beef/beans/veggies tex-mex style mixture, topped with cheddar and 1/2 of an avocado
Snack - gonna have a pear with peanut butter

I called in sick today. Not feeling my job at all ... that's another story though.

I think I'll go grocery shopping soon. I need to stock up on good, primal foods!

Hope the rest of you have great days!

BibBob
05-06-2010, 04:01 PM
Man, I have fed my kid sweets for breakfast most of her life. It's just so easy and she leaves for school so happy. Ugh. Lately she's been getting eggs and toast and she likes it, but I suspect she's just trying to encourage me. Ya know, having a big fat dad is a little embarrassing, whether she admits it or not. While my diet changed in a day, hers is going to have to adjust slowly, but it is my plan to get her heavy grain consumption under control. I have her supplementing Omega 3s already. I had to bribe her. "Take this and you can do that." :)

I will be bbqing for 70 5th graders and their parents in a couple weeks. It should be a kick.

Good reading in this thread. I did have a little more salad and some almonds late last night. It is an issue I have to overcome, I guess. I start pacing and don't consider sleeping until I eat something. I skip breakfast and lunch quite easily, so who knows. It's noon on the west coast and I am headed out hunting and gathering.

Fressca
05-06-2010, 06:47 PM
Wendy I'm drinking green tea with CO right now - so good.

Yesterday and today have been pretty good except for some chocoate chip cookies...

Yesterday
B: 4 chocolate chip cookies (yes, breakfast; yes, four :lol)
L: IF (see above)
S: SAS (small a** salad), some camembert
D: roast chicken, roast veggies, wine

Today:
B:Whey protein shake with coconut milk
L:sausages
S:Greek salad
D: beef kabobs with peppers & onions, green beans

The shake with coconut milk was divine!

The scale is moving down if somewhat slowly, and my jeans today are super loose. That's a great feeling!

And, I did my first kettlebell workout this morning! Wow, that is some routine. I'm sure I'll be super-sore tomorrow.

Ilene
05-06-2010, 10:15 PM
I made a wonderful spaghetti sauce tonight and some super delish roasted green beans, they were sooooo good :hun: I had no spaghetti though, and I did not even miss it one iota :D ... I feel so good I must say :dance:

I have some coconut milk I should try it, the container has not been open yet and I've had it for at least a month in the fridge... What could I use it for other than a shake?

BibBob
05-06-2010, 11:49 PM
For me it was a grain free meatloaf (excellent, btw) and a pile buttery green beans, with a little bacon of course. Mash potatoes were eaten by everyone but me, but I have to say, I love this diet and don't feel at all bad avoiding the bread and taters. I'm actually worried that I am overeating, but I am not cheating.

One organic strawberry and a handful of almonds worked as dessert.

Ilene -- I picked up a pound of scallops today for a Thai Coconut recipe that needs a little paleo tweaking, but that is an easy recipe to google and a great use of coconut milk. Curry Chicken is great with coconut milk. Most any white flaky fish should be fine.

I haven't cheated with sweets yet, but I'm thinking half coconut milk, half whole milk, some good sugar free coco and a banana sounds like a great idea for a shake when I do.

srmb60
05-07-2010, 07:00 AM
I was exhausted and frustrated when I got home from work so DH barbequed steaks. Mine was a little "better doner" than I would have liked, so I melted some coconut oil and butter in a little bowl and dipped each bite. Decadent and tasty!

jillybean720
05-07-2010, 08:28 AM
So, I don't really have any interest in going "primal" or eating clean (I literally eat out 7 days a week, so...), but I am focusing on eating high protein, unrestricted fat, and lower in carbs. Here's how yesterday went:

- double protein shake
- bbq pulled chicken with cheese
- salad: shredded lettuce, roasted chicken, shredded cheese, bacon crumbles, mayo, bacon and onion ranch dressing (it had lettuce, so I can call it a salad, right?)
- local steakhouse: couple chunks of the inside of a dinner roll with an entire side of butter, about 2 bites of a dinner salad, pork chop and broccoli with brown butter sauce

Totals:
2036 cals
141g fat
41g total carbs
157g protein

Now, I've got a few quirks about me and why my diet plan is what it is. First, I'm a type 2 diabetic. For me, this means limiting carbs and eating more fat is important not only for weight management, but also for glucose management. Second, I had weight loss surgery a little more than a year ago, and starchy carbs (bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, etc.) give me uncomfortable bloating and gas. Sweets don't bother me, though, so that's still more of a struggle for me.

srmb60
05-07-2010, 09:05 AM
Hi Jill!
I'm so sick of lettuce! My "salad" just hasn't had any for months now.

koceank29
05-07-2010, 09:20 AM
1 of the Best recipes with coconut milk! Collards green cooked in coconut milk with onion and some tomato! Yummy!

BibBob: Have you tried Mashed cauliflower yet? Its easy to make and mimics mashed potatoes.

I ended up not eating after work yesterday and just ate breakfast this morning. So about a 20 hr IF. I am eating plenty today, I think I overworked yesterday with the exercise, working and then walking last night, I need to refuel.

Jill: That BBQ makes me want some, its been a while. I'll have to add that to my shopping list.

Ilene
05-07-2010, 09:52 AM
MMMM :hun: great ideas for recipes guys, thanks!!

:welcome: Jill...

Not much happening today, just a nice 5k run this afternoon with my client... I love running with her she's such a nice lady...

BibBob
05-07-2010, 12:27 PM
Yeah, gotta try those collards now. When I came off the juice fast two years ago, I was supposed to introduce foods slowly, build up to a "normal salad" on the second day, then eat "greens and beans" for two days. Oddly I got hooked on pintos loaded with collards just heated together with some hot sauce. Sounds a little and looked a little gross, but it was damn good for someone who had just starved for 30 days.

Susan that dip sounds decadent indeed. And look at you at your goal. I love this diet! Who needs sweets or bread when you can dip a grilled steak in coconut oil and butter? Holy cow do I need some coconut oil.

Jill, it seems most of us enjoy a little dairy with our primal. You just need to cut the bread and watch the sweets and you got this. That's some wonderful post op weight loss, btw. Congrats! Stick with us, you can cut a few more carbs pretty easily even dining out. I'm looking forward to a week of restaurants on this diet when I vacation this summer.

On the mashed cauliflower. I keep seeing that recipe, and I will try it, but last night the mashed taters were for kids and made by grandma (my mom).

I blew it with the midnight snacking again. Three egg scamble with a bunch of goodies. Meh. Feeling stuffed this morning, as usual. Not planning on eating until dinner. I thought eating a little later dinner would stop me. Still, I have myself around 1500 calories and that was 6 straight days under 50 grams of carb.

Have a great Friday and a great weekend if I'm not around much.

Anyone want to have a low carb contest this weekend? Come on girls. Gonna let a big fat guy beat you!? :)

Ilene
05-07-2010, 12:41 PM
I blew it with the midnight snacking again. Three egg scamble with a bunch of goodies. Meh. Feeling stuffed this morning, as usual. Not planning on eating until dinner. I thought eating a little later dinner would stop me. Still, I have myself around 1500 calories and that was 6 straight days under 50 grams of carb.


Anyone want to have a low carb contest this weekend? Come on girls. Gonna let a big fat guy beat you!? :)Bob, does it really matter when you eat? Does it not matter more what you eat, if you're eating 1500 and under 50 carbs, my UNprofessional opinion would be that it's ok...

Sure I'm in with the low carb contest for the weekend... How would that work?

BibBob
05-07-2010, 01:35 PM
Bob, does it really matter when you eat? Does it not matter more what you eat, if you're eating 1500 and under 50 carbs, my UNprofessional opinion would be that it's ok...

Sure I'm in with the low carb contest for the weekend... How would that work?

I agree the when is not as important as the what, and I 'think' I'm doing fine too, but if I can kick the midnight munchies, I would really shed some pounds, and be mocking the Warrior Diet program that first caught my interest. When I'm 'morbidly' obese as I am I don't think the slow and steady approach is necessarily necessary. 7% monthly weight drops to the 'severely' obese zone seem reasonable to me. It happens on the Biggest Loser all the time. That would be 25 pounds this month for me. That pound a week advice is for someone approaching their goal, imo. I'm so impatient.

A carb contest? Well, we count carbs on the honor system starting tomorrow morning and ending before we eat Monday morning. This is my first normal weekend on the plan, and there's temptation lurking. A contest might keep me on my toes and accountable when the pizza, birthday cake and ice cream is presented (a 2 year old having a huge party). We seem mature enough here to trust each other's reports and it's not about winning with the lowest carbs. It's about staying on track as a group, and maybe burning some extra neolithic fat.

CJZee
05-07-2010, 02:16 PM
Hi everyone ... been lurking on this thread for awhile and wonder if I might join in??!!

I am interested in the carb contest. Count me in! CJ

BibBob
05-07-2010, 02:50 PM
That's three entries! I've been doing about 50 grams of carb a day. My goal is 25 a day for the weekend. I either do something like this or I will water fast. :)

I wanna be lean so bad. I was just reading Mark's Daily Apple. He did two great posts for people with bad backs. I tried to do his exercises and just smashed the tennis balls beneath my weight. sigh...

kaplods
05-07-2010, 05:47 PM
That's three entries! I've been doing about 50 grams of carb a day. My goal is 25 a day for the weekend. I either do something like this or I will water fast. :)

I wanna be lean so bad. I was just reading Mark's Daily Apple. He did two great posts for people with bad backs. I tried to do his exercises and just smashed the tennis balls beneath my weight. sigh...


I tried similar exercises with a tennis ball a while back, and had the same problem. I buy larger balls now - about 6" balls from dollar stores. If you have a Dollar Tree, I bought some with pictures of wild animals on them, that seem to be working great (some last longer than others, but I've never gotten hurt, they just lose air until they're useless).

CJZee
05-07-2010, 06:26 PM
I have a hard foam roller, so I'm going to give that a whirl. I hurt my thoracic spine in a car accident a couple of years ago and I bought half foam rollers to support my back when I sit (I use them like little hard pillows). At the time, I bought a full round roller too, but it's too big for the pillow stuff -- should work great for this exercise though.

koceank29
05-07-2010, 06:39 PM
Ooh.. I'm definitely in on the contest! Guess I'll break out the old pen and pad. Great idea, I've got a bit of a competitive streak so I'll definitely be mindful of everything I put in my mouth this weekend! I'd like to stick to under 20, can't wait to see how I do!

CJZee
05-07-2010, 07:36 PM
Sat. and Sun. I'm going to stay under 30 grams net carbs. Today I'm at 50 with the following:

Breakfast
tomatoes sprinkled with sea salt
feta cheese

Lunch
baked chicken breast
sauteed spinach & cannellini beans
roasted red tomatoes

Dinner
turkey sausage
cottage cheese
seaweed salad
fage yogurt
unsweetened almond milk
unsweetened cocoa (mixed with yogurt & almond milk for dessert)

srmb60
05-07-2010, 08:39 PM
Hi CJZee! Welcome!

We're having all the kids and our grandbaby tomorrow. I'm working so DH is cooking. I'll decline the contest but promise to be good.

We had to run some errands up in Mennonite country this afternoon. Our supper was a bag of nuts and locally made pepperettes. Yum! I'm pretty sure this gin and tonic isn't primal ;)

Ilene
05-07-2010, 10:00 PM
Wow, you guys can do 20-30g carbs :faint: that is amazing, I have a difficult time sticking between 50-100g... I'll do the best I can...

BibBob
05-08-2010, 12:27 AM
I'm having another sick day, worse than the previous one. I have a slight sore throat and I'm running a low grade fever -- 100 degrees, feeling weak and tired. It's a 8:30 here and I have no interest in a late snack. I think a hot shower and in bed early are in order.

Too bad the contest didn't start today. I had two eggs, a pile of spinach, a wonderful rib eye finished in red wine deglaze that must have added 5-7 grams of carbs. Total is under 20 grams today. Wish I felt better. Ah that ain't right. ust remembered a couple handfuls of almonds while I was cooking. Not sure what the count is on that, but it probably puts me just over 20 carbs.

Ilene
05-08-2010, 12:55 AM
Hope you feel better soon Bob. Tomorrow morning for breakfast I am making avocado chocolate pudding, I'm so looking forward to it...with 2 eggs... I can't wait, I'm very hungry right now, I should go to bed...

BibBob
05-08-2010, 01:53 AM
Thanks Ilene, I'm a little groggy doing some reading and when I read that post, I guess some dyslexic haze came over me because I thought I read you were excited about having vodka chocolate pudding and eggs for breakfast. Maybe Susan just got me thinking. :)

srmb60
05-08-2010, 06:59 AM
Good morning!

I'm trying to not fitday for a few days and see what happens.

Ilene ... you are active and so should have a few more carbs. Don't worry about 50-100! Expecially if you lift and jog. As I recall, you got pretty nice results in April.

Bob ... sip sip sip for that fever. Should I warn Bob that I'm a nurse and a mother? It takes a lot of your body's resources to fight illness (especially if you are not in optimal health like most of us 40 somethings are not). Spread your foods out a little better today and make sure your exercise is gentle and your rest is good. Get rid of that bug and then give'er to fat loss again.

Everybody else! Have fun with your challenge!

CJZee
05-08-2010, 09:21 AM
I have heard you lose more fat when you do your aerobic exercise before you eat in the a.m. I'm going to swim laps this morning and eat after ... if I can hold out! The pool doesn't open until 10 a.m.

koceank29
05-08-2010, 09:32 AM
CJZee, I've heard that as well since your body is forced to burn fat rather than available carbs. I'm a swimmer too, have fun, I'm jealous!

Ilene: I keep my carbs super low because I'm really trying to lose the lbs! I'm very active but I have a lot more weight to lose than you! You should keep your carbs with what works for you! Yummy Choc.Avocado Pudding! Avocados are so cheap right now where I live, I've been stocking up!

BibBob
05-08-2010, 12:30 PM
Bob ... sip sip sip for that fever. Should I warn Bob that I'm a nurse and a mother?.

Are we still talking about vodka and gin? :D

I assume you're referring to lots of fluids, water, broth, etc... right, nursemother? hehe


Everybody else! Have fun with your challenge!:(

I've pretty much decided to pass on the birthday party. I think it's rude to go if I'm sick, but I am getting contrary opinions from family that wants me there. Ugh. I rarely gets colds and flus. This is the first in 2 and a half years. At least I was warned it could happen. My kid has a slight sore throat and had it before I went down harder than her, so this may have little to do with the change in diet. Anyway... have a good weekend all.

Ilene
05-08-2010, 02:29 PM
So, I had avocado not vodka :lol: chocolate pudding for breakfast this morning, it was delish :hun: I will definitely make that again... Super simple recipe: 1 ripe avocado, 1T cocoa powder, 1T maple syrup, 1/4c coconut water... Avocados are high enough in carbs though 14.8 according to Fitday... but well worth it... It felt like a real cheat but wasn't at all...i also had 2 eggs... this was at 9:30 am and it's 1:30pm and I'm just starting to get hungry... Will have a Greek salad and chicken, DD and I are going out to lunch and braving Walmart this afternoon...

If I exercise in the am before 10am I usually do it on an empty stomach... Heck last year I did a 10k race on an empty stomach and after drinking wine the night before :lol: I am a glutton for punishment!

Well off I go for a late lunch :wave: cyas later!!

Fressca
05-08-2010, 02:42 PM
I too shall decline on the challenge, but good luck to all participants!

Does anyone here like sardines? I can't say I've ever tried them, but I bought a tin on Friday. I'm wondering what to expect... besides a small fish :lol:

jillybean720
05-08-2010, 02:57 PM
Wow, this thread moves a lot quicker than most on the WLS board! I'm going to have to work harder to keep up with everyone!

Friday started out well, but by mid-afternoon, stress got the better of me, and I dove into the Kashi bars in my desk. And then I was frustrated, so we had Subway for dinner (6" meatball marinara with extra cheese, ate about 3/4 of it, and 2 oatmeal raisin cookies).

Today will be better. I already started off with 2 slices of cheese, a protein shake, and then lunch at Glory Days (a few bites of a tossed salad and 6 wings with bourbon sauce and ranch dressing - I won't get the bourbon sauce again, as there was too much sauce, and it was clearly nothing but sugar). I'm sure we'll be at Denny's for dinner (our usual Saturday night), so that's good because I can just get eggs with cheese and meat.

I'm rubbing off a bit on my husband - he orders steak and cheese sandwiches or big burgers and then doesn't eat the bun just eats the insides with a fork!

CJZee
05-08-2010, 03:22 PM
Does anyone here like sardines? I can't say I've ever tried them, but I bought a tin on Friday. I'm wondering what to expect... besides a small fish :lol:

Hi Fressca! I eat sardines all the time, at least a couple of times a week. I am fussy about the ones I get, though. I like the tiny whole ones, the bones have good calcium in them. The bigger "skinned" ones freak me out a little bit, I have to mash them up in mayo or something because I can't stand to look at them, LOL.

Sardines are good "fatty" fish, rich in Omega 3 fatty acids, and aren't overfished like tuna or salmon. Plus since they're low on the food chain, they aren't contaminated like some of the bigger predators.

The brand I get is "King Oscar" and it says "Finest Brisling" on it also. I get the 2-layers in olive oil (so I know they're small) and also like the Mediterranean which have a few black olives in it and a little spice.

People are writing a lot about the goodness of sardines on their blogs, here is a recent post by someone I read occasionally. Make sure and read the comments as there are recipes and "sardine newbies" with advice: Link about sardines. (http://summertomato.com/6-reasons-to-eat-more-sardines/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fsummertomato+%28Su mmer+Tomato%29)

CJZee
05-08-2010, 03:26 PM
Avocados are high enough in carbs though 14.8 according to Fitday

Hi Ilene! Avocados are great ... and have very low NET carbs. My CalorieKing says one has 14.9 carbs, but 11.8 grams of it are FIBER, so only 2.1 net carbs for a WHOLE California avocado.

kaplods
05-08-2010, 04:29 PM
If you like sardines in oil, you might also like sardines in other sauces. In the asian groceries I buy sardines and mackerel in curry sauces, tomato sauce, chili sauce.... There are dozens of varieties in our local asian groceries (compared to the three or four found in most grocery stores).

Smiling Fish is my favorite brand. It comes from thailand and it is in a tomato-paste sized can (the fish are placed vertically rather than horizontally). They're good cold or heated in the microwave.

You have to read the labels, because some sauces are higher in carbs than others.

koceank29
05-08-2010, 07:02 PM
I like sardines as well, I'm starting to get pickier about which ones I buy. I bought some Herring the other week and could barely get them down but my 9m old daughter could've eaten the whole can, she has a strong stomach!

BibBob: Hope you get to feeling better, that sore throat has been going around my area for a month or so! I always do Apple Cider Vinegar (1 tsp) and honey (1 tsp) mixed together for relief of an itchy throat and it feels so good!

Jill: That's awesome your husband is taking notice of those things too, it really makes a difference when you have someone in your corner that also wants to make healthy changes. I completely understand you going to the Kashi bars and Subway, its hard when we have always made those choices. But in the grand scheme of things, you could've made worse decisions. Sounds like you're doing great today.

Today I am closing out the day with 38g carbs (I don't separate out fiber, I always include it in the total amount)

B: egg whites(3g),sausage,espresso w/milk (13g)
S: coconut milk(4g),protein powder(3g)
S: avocado(15g)

I had planned to keep it lower but the avocado was so ripe and looked yummy! so I ate it!!! I had a busy day buying plants, planting, digging up old plants and moving them, separating plants....tonight I'll be finishing up our fire pit when my husband gets home from work. No more food though, just water!

jillybean720
05-09-2010, 11:17 AM
Kara - you're right that I could have made worse decisions; I mean, Kashi bars versus candy bars or something, and Subway versus Dairy Queen... :dizzy: And, like you, I don't subtract fiber. I do total carbs, not net carbs. It just simplifies things for me - no worrying about what "counts" or what doesn't "count."

I don't believe I've ever eaten a sardine before (except possibly in a caesar dressing), but with all this talk, I just might have to check them out!

I did well yesterday - haven't entered everything into My Daily Plate yet, but it only consisted of protein shakes, chicken wing, provolone cheese slices, and a mix of eggs, cheese, bacon, and sausage, so I'm not too worried about it. My scale is somewhat pleased - I thought yesterday's reading might have been a fluke, but today's was in line with yesterday's, so that puts me down almost 3 pounds since Thursday. Not too shabby!

Now, off to do some shopping and take advantage of all the Mother's Day sales...

CJZee
05-09-2010, 03:28 PM
Hi everyone ... yesterday I made my goal of 30 grams net carbs (I DO subtract fiber). It was close though --

33.6 grams of carbs - 5.4 grams of fiber = 27.48 net grams

I totally forgot I was going to an art opening, and ended up having a glass of red wine which I had to include in my carb count.

I did manage to avoid the other yummies there, however. You won't believe this, but the art opening has a "chocolate" theme, and they had every kind of chocolate thing you can imagine from candy to brownies to fudge to strawberries dipped in chocolate. They all looked fabulous, but I just walked right by them. Eating any kind of sweet is not worth it for me, I just pretend they do not exist for me.

Today so far I have had this fabulous roast leg of lamb and some broccoli rabe roasted and sauteed in olive oil and garlic. Only 2 grams of net carbs so far.

BibBob
05-09-2010, 04:23 PM
You won't believe this, but the art opening has a "chocolate" theme... Eating any kind of sweet is not worth it for me, I just pretend they do not exist for me.


Yep. I'm in "little" debate about this. The debate is about cheating or not cheating. I used to smoke and as far as I am concerned eating a brownie is as dangerous as smoking a cigarette. Not that one of either is going to kill me. Just that one of either could send my right back to the addiction. I do think there are some primal ways to having something "a little" sweet, like the coconut milk and strawberries I had, but a brownie, a piece of pie, chocolate chip cookies? Oy... I better stay clear. If I cheat, it will be with pizza, or a burger on toasted sourdough bun, but not cheesecake. That stuff is heroin to me.

Oh, I am not uber competitive and trying to win this little challenge, but I am practically zero carb this weekend, and I sure didn't plan it. At the party I picked the toppings off a slice of pizza, had 3 bbqd beef patties, 6 leaves of lettuce, and three scoops of homemade salsa. Other than that I have a strip of bacon, five eggs and two more scoops of the salsa. I probably had my highest calorie but lowest carb day yesterday. I will eat more tonight and have nothing particular planned.

I am waking up feeling sick but it seems to go away in about an hour. Strange.

CJZee
05-09-2010, 05:36 PM
Oy... I better stay clear. If I cheat, it will be with pizza, or a burger on toasted sourdough bun, but not cheesecake. That stuff is heroin to me.

The more I read, the more I believe that there is *for me* an almost physical addiction component to eating sweets, particularly baked or sweetened goods. I think the following article is one of the best explanations I have seen: Link to article. (http://blog.thecolemaninstitute.com/2009/07/are-we-all-addicted-to-eating.html)

I find it just easier to avoid eating sweet foods altogether. Even the artificially sweetened low-carb bars ... I just can't stop at one. For example, one time I bought one of those little 6- or 8-pack cups of no-sugar puddings and I ate every one in one day. I accounted for them in my calorie counting, but that's not the point ... the point is that eating all of them in one day was an addictive behavior and that can't be good. I kept saying to myself, "I'll just have one more today" and before I knew it, they were all gone. I couldn't seem to stop myself. I believe the more you repeat such behaviors, the more they become embedded in your brain somehow.

I do not like to engage willpower when it comes to eating. After a year on plan, it has become habit to avoid sweets, but I would definitely have to call on willpower to stop at one piece of *whatever* and I think eating any sweet foods can be a slippery slope for me.

srmb60
05-09-2010, 07:11 PM
What do you think the chances are that Grok invented the deep fryer and gravy? ... oh never mind ;)

Ilene
05-09-2010, 10:14 PM
What do you think the chances are that Grok invented the deep fryer and gravy? ... oh never mind ;):lol: ... Susan ...

I didn't have the best weekend at all :faint: I don't even want to mention what I ate...

jillybean720
05-10-2010, 09:21 AM
I did well over the weekend. Sunday consisted of:
- double protein shake
- double protein shake
- almonds
- Japanese Steakhouse: cup of soup, cup of ginger salad, hibachi steak and chicken with the broccoli picked out of the mixed veggies

I don't believe I've ever seen the south side of 207 on my scale ever. Yesterday's and this morning's reading were consistent, though, so I'm now officially calling 204.5 :D Oh, baby, 199, here I come!!

CJ - that's awesome that you hit <30 net carbs even with the wine (and the chocolate temptations!). I agree with you on avoiding trigger foods completely. The only exception I make for myself is if I am someplace where I can have a single serving without the option to go back for more. If I really want cheesecake, for example, I'll share a slice with someone at a restaurant, and that's it. No going back for seconds in a restaurant! In that regard, I believe I am a compulsive overeater. I actually just purged a box of NutriGrain bars from my desk because I knew I would eat them if they stayed there. As it was, I had eaten 4-5 bars in a single day on multiple occasions (it was a giant box from Costco). Same with a Costco box of 100-calorie Kudos bars - had to get rid of 'em!

srmb60
05-10-2010, 09:40 AM
I want to go to dinner with Jill.

After the fries, we had ice cream and lots of it. TMI ... I've spent the whole morning so far running to the BR.
But there's a lesson involved here. I spent a lot of years with my innards feeling (gradually) just not right. It's been a gradual process for my innards to feel like ... well nothing. I don't think we're suppose to feel peristalsis and digestion :?: I mean ... I'm a nurse so I know we have bowels sounds but, they're not supposed to drown out the TV.
The upshot is ... I'd really rather not.

And so ... we begin another week. Four more shifts and I'm off the weekend!

Ilene
05-10-2010, 09:51 AM
A new week a new Primal day... thank goodness ... Of course the scale was wayyy up this morning...

Way to go Jill, keep up the great work...

jillybean720
05-10-2010, 10:13 AM
Susan, I discovered a few years ago that our bodies can VERY quickly adjust to NOT eating crap - and they like it! I used to have a major issue with fast food, what I would easily consider an addiction. I would, of course, quit cold turkey in an attempt to gain control. After a few weeks of no fast food, I would indulge in a Happy Meal or something, and all of a sudden, my body would revolt! You know, I blame my surgically altered insides as the cause of my gaseous reaction to starchy carbs, but I wonder if maybe it's the same thing - I've limited them for more than a year now, so it would make sense that my body just plain doesn't want them anymore!

BibBob
05-10-2010, 11:42 AM
My weekend intake (carbs in parentheses)

A couple slices of pepperoni and two sliced mushrooms (.5)
3 bbqd beef patties (o)
6 leaves of lettuce (.5)
a cup of fresh salsa with avocado (15)
7 eggs (2)
1 strip of bacon (.1)
8 oz of scallops cooked in coconut oil* (20)
a cup+ of mashed cauliflower (10)
a cup of broccoli (4)
blended frozen berries with whipped cream (20)

73 carbs for the weekend. I'm surprised and unsure about the carbs in scallops. There's some debate out there, but I went with the biggest number. This is using gross carbs though net doesn't drop these foods much. I felt a little lighter on my feet and my clothes felt a little looser all day yesterday -- then the big Mother's Day scallop meal (stuffed sole was also served but I passed because of the stuffing) finished with the berries and whipped cream. This morning I feel like I may have gained weight.

Hey, hope all you mom's had a nice day and happy belated!

*I finally found coconut oil in the health food section of Rite Aid. GNC brand. Expensive.

koceank29
05-10-2010, 11:42 AM
Jill, I'm completely with you on having to just get rid of things that we know will cause us to overeat. I'm better than I used to be at controlling those feelings, mainly due to the low-carb lifestyle and losing so many cravings, but I know I can NOT have ice cream in my home, I'll end up like Susan did!

Sunday was okay, I think weekends are harder for me to control my carbs, of course having 45g carbs on Sunday is better than my previous self having 200-300g on any given day. I did have a beer yesterday, but it was only 6.8g, it was soooo good, I haven't had a beer in forever! I would've had another but my husband came home and snatched the last one!

Today has been good: Eggs/bacon/espresso with milk and I've already been to them gym. I did the bicycle this morning which is a change for me, but I thought my routine could use a shake-up. I'm planning a 2 mile walk later when it warms up, its suprisingly cool and windy here today.

Have a great day everyone!

koceank29
05-10-2010, 11:47 AM
Forgot....so I ended up at 83g carbs for the weekend! Looks like you may win this one BibBob, you did awesome! So impressed! Its not as hard as people would think!

Whenever I eat shrimp/scallops/whipped cream I usually have a gain. I think its mainly because I tend to overeat on the seafood, its my weakness and whipped cream for me is a trigger, I have to be very careful or I'll end up having too much of a good thing! You may just be holding some water from the scallops, I'm sure you're fine with actual weight since you're keeping your carbs in check.

BibBob
05-10-2010, 11:51 AM
Foods that I cannot resist. Good chocolate chip cookies. Donuts, any donuts, fresh from the shop, the grocers, bagged by hostess or someone else, donuts are evil. Fresh danish is the same thing. Cream pies, especially chocolate. Cheesecake. Good pizza.

I've had two half gallons of ice cream in the house since I started, and it doesn't bother me. My sis brings donuts and danishes over yesterday morning for breakfast and I immediately ducked out for walk. I think I broke out into a sweat looking at them. :)

BibBob
05-10-2010, 12:05 PM
Thanks Kara. That's bad news on the scallops. We have a little market here with a great source. I get bay scallops (frozen) but high quality for the price of ground beef if I buy in a little bulk. Sea scallops from this market are also half price compared to the larger markets. Sometimes he has great deals on wild salmon, halibut, cod, and I grab it, but the scallops supply is constant. It's all coming from Alaska where "he has a guy".

Also portion control seems to work with the midnight snack issue. Last night after a big dinner that included a reasonable dessert. I was done for the night. The many nights I eat before bed, I try to limit my portions. I can really put away a ton of food, even veggies, so I think this is something I will have to address if I am going to see "great" results.

Ilene
05-10-2010, 12:18 PM
Oh, you guys are lucky to have such fresh sea food and fish!!

srmb60
05-11-2010, 12:47 AM
I hate when folks say things like "epic fail" but today was bad! Horrid working conditions and a box of chocolates ... say no more, say no more.

However, I did lift weights this morning. That sounds so lame.

CJZee
05-11-2010, 07:40 AM
I tried something new for me to see if I could shake up (or shake down?) my weight loss. The scale seems to have slowed down exponentially (not that I was plummeting down before, but jeez, this is ridiculous!) It is nothing for me to go 2 weeks strictly on plan and not lose an ounce, while I was losing about a pound a week pretty consistently last year and my habits haven't changed.

So ... yesterday I decided to do the "mini-meal" thing. I worked it out in CalorieKing ahead of time because eating so frequently it would be easy to overeat calories (I count calories and carbs).

Meal 1 - Bacon & eggs

Meal 2 - Ripe tomatoes with sea salt and feta cheese

Meal 3 - Fresh portabella mushrooms sauteed in butter with a patty of Niman Ranch ground sirloin mixed with chopped garlic (I had a meeting after this, but *luckily* the other party had a cold so I apparently didn't smell like a vampire. Does garlic make you smell bad even if you brush your teeth?)

Meal 4 - Pot roast and the remaining portabellas

Meal 5 - Pot roast again and an orange (I know, I know, but I haven't had an orange for months and I felt like it)

Anyhoo -- I'm down to my ticker weight this morning!!! I had bounced up to 214 from the ticker weight (I always claim a new weight when I see it, and then bounce around it awhile). I'm so stoked!

So .... maybe it was the mini-meals, maybe it was the orange (?) or maybe it was just frackalackin time for the scale to move (well, it only moved back to where it once already was, but it feels great). Who knows? Any ideas?

Susan -- lifting weights is awesome! Forget the candy, it's done. How heavy are the weights you lift? When I first started my journey, lifting weights is the first thing I did, even before I modified my diet. I wasn't sure I could modify my eating, but I was sure I could do exercise and that gave me confidence.

Jilly -- yippee!

koceank29
05-11-2010, 08:59 AM
CJZee, good for you! I am experiencing a complete stall right now, it is so frustrating. Good to know you came through yours, your menu sounds yummy! I smell garlic coming out of my pores almost daily, but I eat a lot of it! LOL! Its really good for the heart though!

Susan- today a new day, forget about the chocolates. The weights helped you break even for yesterday!

I'm not sure what I'm doing today, I have 1 errand and I know I need to incorporate some activity but I can't decide what I feel like, its very dreary right now since raining last night. I'll report back!

jillybean720
05-11-2010, 09:10 AM
CJZee - When I stall, I find just about anything that changes my routine helps to get the scale moving again. So, maybe just by shaking up your food routine into eating more frequently helped to wake your system up? Whatever the reason, it worked!

Susan - Hey, I haven't lifted weights in, oh, a year? So, NOT LAME!

As for me, Monday was on track:
- double protein shake
- pulled bbq chicken w/Swiss cheese
- roasted chicken, cheese, bacon crumbles, mayo, and bacon ranch dressing (no lettuce this time!)
- Texas Roadhouse: maybe half a starter caesar salad w/out croutons, about half of a 6oz sirloin with sauteed onions and jack cheese, maybe 3 bites of sweet potato with lots of butter

My scale is holding steady at 204.5. Lots of things going on that could be affecting my scale, though, so I'm not too worried about it (mild constipation off-and-on, lovely TOM, changes in my water consumption...).

BibBob
05-11-2010, 10:21 AM
Another low carb day in the books. Back to just one meal and a late snack. The dinner was spaghetti and meatballs, but for me the meatballs were chunks of pork and the pasta was grated zucchini. Of course I had a late snack. Eggs and the leftover scallops. There is something particularly wonderful about a seafood omelette. The 18 hour IFs are now habitual. Still not feeling the weight loss I'd like. Portion control is the problem, I think.

srmb60
05-11-2010, 10:30 AM
Even the weight was lame! My lower back has been a bit tight feeling so I used 20 lbs for deadlifts and tried to use really really good form. Got tired of that and did shoulders.

I hear ya Jill. I used to lift fairly heavy but I just haven't got lifting reincorporated yet. I do love it when I get at it.

katerina11
05-11-2010, 03:49 PM
Hi everyone.

I love lifting, too, but haven't exercised in a while. When I move back to KC, I plan to start lifting and doing some tae-bo. For now, I;m still in the beginning here and really want to incorporate things slowly so I don't get burned out and give it all up. I have been primal for 25 days now. :carrot: I only recently gave up artificial sweeteners and that has really helped to curb my cravings.

I have lost 10 pounds! My food intake is completely unrestricted as long as it's leaning towards primal. No grains, flours (not even almond flour, because I'm scared it will trigger me), sugar, honey, maple syrup all out. I was relying pretty heavily on fruits, even dried fruits for the first couple weeks, but have gradually weaned that. This has been a real experience for me. BibBob said earlier it's like heroin for him. I am definitely in the same boat. I feel like I am finally beating my final addiction. It's so empowering!

Today I've had:
coffee with cream
rib eye steak

I will probably end the day with:
big *** salad, romaine, carrots, red bell pepper, bacon, apple with a vinaigrette dressing.

and either another steak or a fish soup I made. It's pretty darn good.

1.5 T EV coconut oil
one onion chopped
3-4 cloves garlic minced
8 fillets tilapia chopped
3 cans coconut milk
2-3 T red curry paste (to taste)
5-6 T fish sauce (to taste)
1.5 c vegetable stock

coconut oil, onion and garlic until onion is cooked to clear
add coconut milk, curry paste, fish sauce and stock cook until bubbling and mixed thoroughly
add fish and simmer until fish is cooked through.

tasty stuff.

Ilene
05-11-2010, 07:35 PM
1.5 T EV coconut oil
one onion chopped
3-4 cloves garlic minced
8 fillets tilapia chopped
3 cans coconut milk
2-3 T red curry paste (to taste)
5-6 T fish sauce (to taste)
1.5 c vegetable stock
coconut oil, onion and garlic until onion is cooked to clear
add coconut milk, curry paste, fish sauce and stock cook until bubbling and mixed thoroughly
add fish and simmer until fish is cooked through.
:hun: that sounds delish!!

I didn't workout today, but walked a lot doing errands... Yesterday I went roller blading with DD I hadn't been in about 2 years, it's like riding a bike you don't forget it :lol: .... It was fun but there was an extremely stiff wind but I just figure that I burned more calories. Last night I went to the gym. I am a definite gym rat, I have been going for 25 years :faint:, regularly... the only time I took off was 2 three week breaks when I had the kids...
I love weight training :strong:

Food was good today too :yes: I just enjoyed a piece of dark chocolate and tea :coffee: ...

koceank29
05-12-2010, 09:11 AM
So...I had real pizza last night, my first cheat in 6 weeks! Let me just say I will never ever do that again, the misery afterwards is no fun. It really was a great lesson, I used to think feeling like crap after a meal was normal and having a stomach ache was part of it, now that I know better I realize how my body really feels when being treated good. Last night after the pizza I felt horrid. I didn't beat myself up though...I know I learned a valuable lesson and I'm starting fresh this morning!

I'm going to try a 5k on the treadmill this morning to try and burn some extra pizza off and take a nice long walk with the kiddos this afternoon, its supposed to be sunny today. I may IF the rest of the day, we'll see.

That fish soup sounds amazing...I'm going to give it a try next week!

wildviolets
05-12-2010, 08:27 PM
Hi everyone! I'm intrigued by this PB lifestyle. I've been getting Mark's emails and have ordered the cook book. I have a quick question for you though....

About the coconut oil...I bought some at a CSA food conference. It says Organic Virgin Coconut oil and it looks like Crisco. Is this the stuff you put in tea and coffee? Why do you do that? I'm trying to use it but when I fried somethign in it recently it had a coconut flavor to it....which isn't bad but I would certainly get sick of it after a while.

I might try it in my tea tomorrow but I wanted to know why people put it in (the benefits) and if I bought the right stuff.

Thanks for your help!
Denise

Ilene
05-12-2010, 10:51 PM
Denise, I'm pretty sure you bought the right stuff. I kind of feel the same about the coconut oil, to me oil is liquid not hard like lard :lol:. I do use it for stir fries now and I quite like it better than olive oil, but I didn't like the smell of it when I first used it but I'm used to it now. I cannot imagine using it in my coffee or tea though I don't really like floating oil in my coffee or tea, although I have not tried it, so I can't judge...

Here is an article on the benefits of coconut oil (http://www.coconutoilbenefits.org/)

srmb60
05-13-2010, 12:46 AM
Someday ... someday ... I might try coconut milk in my coffee but oil? I don't think so.

katerina11
05-13-2010, 02:28 AM
I can see if you *really* want to get your coconut oil in, you would put it in coffee, but that doesn't sound awesome to me.

I tried the EVCO with eggs, and it was very... coconutty. I didn't mind it, but I prefer butter!

Coconut oil is awesome in thai food though!

wildviolets
05-13-2010, 08:23 AM
I agree Kathy....I love the flavor in Thai food but not so much in everyday food.

Thank you for the article Ilene! It was very informative.

I tried it in my tea this morning and I rather liked it! I drink this Japanese green matcha tea and the coconut flavor wasn't bad....

Oh this primal stuff is quite exciting. I've been trying to lower my carbs for a week or two and I feel so much better (stomach issues). Now if I can just get them lower, I think I will lose some weight too!

jillybean720
05-13-2010, 10:15 AM
Just checking in - life's getting busy again with work and a planned trip to Busch Gardens tomorrow. Staying on track about 80 percent of the time, which seems to be enough for my scale - 203.5 this morning. Can't complain about that!

srmb60
05-13-2010, 11:13 AM
Morning!

I just received a jar of virgin coconut oil from well.ca (free shipping). Maybe if it has more flavour than the stuff I have been using ....

I've had a couple of good food days and feel not too bad. This stretch at work has been wicked tho'. I'm not sure what kind of lifestyle can support this old bod and brain through this kind of working conditions.:stars:

Dh wants to go out for breakfast and I think I'll go.

Ilene
05-13-2010, 11:17 AM
Susan, which coconut oil did you buy? The one I have from the organic dept of the grocery store does not taste coconutty at all...I can't remember what brand it is at the moment though... Have a good Primal breaky with DH...

BibBob
05-13-2010, 12:14 PM
I'm also under some wicked work pressure this week. Worked til 2am and was up and at it at 6am. Ugh. I'm only online now because I'm waiting for someone, then I hit the road for the rest of the day.

I got hit with some depressing, very discouraging news, regarding something personal and not at all health related, and I was really shocked by the urge to break the low carb routine. I really really wanted to eat pizza and drink beer and shove cookies in my face. It was an interesting experience for me. In the midst of theses cravings, I was not cheating, but analyzing what the heck was making me feel that way. I've heard of emotional eating, but I cannot ever recall it feeling like an outright attack. I settled for three glasses of wine, salami, some good French cheeses, and celery instead of crackers. Indulgent = celery spread with brie, dotted with almonds, topped with salami and washed down with pinot noir.

I still haven't had a day over 60 carbs since starting and those urges were muted by the vino. Gotta go. Be strong everybody. I am seeing outstanding results.

Ilene
05-13-2010, 12:16 PM
Keep on keeping on Bob :bravo:

BibBob
05-13-2010, 12:18 PM
Add:

Amazon has 54 ouncers of Organic Nutiva Coconut oil on sale for $21. Add something for five bucks and you get free shipping. I just bought two yesterday. I'm going to deep fry onion rings coated with egg and almond flour.

srmb60
05-13-2010, 12:36 PM
It's Now Virgin Coconut Oil. 11.89 for 355 mls.

I went to the site the first time and it was on sale. And it is nicely coconutty tasty.

Ilene
05-13-2010, 12:42 PM
It's Now Virgin Coconut Oil. 11.89 for 355 mls.

I went to the site the first time and it was on sale. And it is nicely coconutty tasty.Thanks Susan...

wendyland
05-13-2010, 02:40 PM
About the coconut oil...I bought some at a CSA food conference. It says Organic Virgin Coconut oil and it looks like Crisco. Is this the stuff you put in tea and coffee? Why do you do that? I'm trying to use it but when I fried somethign in it recently it had a coconut flavor to it....which isn't bad but I would certainly get sick of it after a while.


I use it to fry anything. I like it best with a stir fry. I love it, but my husband hates the coconut smell when I cook. It's hard until it gets warm. Mine usually liquifies in the summer months. There are some brands with less of a coconuty flavor. I buy nutiva, which is definitely has flavor. I eat it by the spoonful.

There's a lot of info about it on healingnaturallybybee.com. She also has a yahoo group where people ask questions called candidasupport. People talk about coconut oil on it all the time and which has more flavor than others.

The coconut oil also makes great brownies (although that's not very primal)

wendyland
05-13-2010, 02:43 PM
I've been really busy this week at work with lots of overtime. I'm still working on eliminating grains. It's been hard with all the stress in my life lately. I may not be posting much for awhile, but I'll try to keep up with reading posts. I really like the group.

koceank29
05-13-2010, 06:14 PM
Good job BibBob, I've heard onion rings coated in unsweetened coconut flakes are good too! Onion rings sound yum!

So far so good since my pizza mishap. I'm in the midst of a 24 hr IF. I ate at 7am this morning and had 2 houses to clean today and figured I may just IF since I don't like the late night snacking. So far so good! I'm so thirsty though from sweating like crazy today, cleaning + 85 degrees + humidity = misery! but fat burning! Can't wait to get on the scale in the morning!

srmb60
05-14-2010, 01:29 AM
Good evening on this ... first part of my four day weekend!

Tiredness is usually my enemy but I did alright today.
restaurant breakfast without toast
egg, butter, cheese
tomato, cucumber and broccoli with cheese, almonds and salmon
a scoop of almond butter
one cookie :( ... hey it's nurses week. I had to try one!

And now I'm ready for sleep unencumbered by the need to go to work tomorrow!

Ilene
05-14-2010, 10:00 AM
And now I'm ready for sleep unencumbered by the need to go to work tomorrow!:cp: have a nice sleep...

Yesterday I went to a jewelry party, such gorgeous stuff :love: Of course I spent :shrug: ... but I had a decadent chocolate desert and a rhubarb/strawberry crumble cake :faint: BUTTTTT I was down 1 again this morning to 148 :goodscale: ... I was soooo worried that it would be up because of the sugar and bloat that accompanies when I eat sugar, I was very happy this morning...

Fressca
05-14-2010, 10:11 AM
Hi everyone.

Just checking in... I've had a not-so-good week following Mother's Day. DD sent a personal chef to make brunch for MIL, SIL, me and the other family members, and while the meal was fairly primal (fruit kebobs, spring greens with feta, beef tenderloin, carrots, green beans, creme brulee), I went completely off the rails on Mon, Tues, Wed & Thurs. I think champagne was the trigger. And it is just amazing to me how quickly the pounds pile on. On Sunday morning I was around 171; today, 178. Sigh. It's discouraging, but I have to get back on my primal horse. And quickly!

srmb60
05-14-2010, 10:21 AM
Good morning everyone!

What a lovely gift Fressca!

katerina11
05-14-2010, 10:45 AM
one cookie :( ... hey it's nurses week. I had to try one!

And now I'm ready for sleep unencumbered by the need to go to work tomorrow!

Another nurse! :D

Yeah, for nurse's week, every single day they were offering cakes and fatty lunches filled with carbs: pizza, subs, chips, loads of cola, cookies, and even in our thank you card, we each received a coupon for a candybar. I immediately gave away my candy bar coupon.

There wasn't a single nurse's week item that wasn't food related on my unit. We should know better. Instead we stuff each other with comfort food. :(

I did not indulge, but my journey is just beginning, and I have a long long way to go, so I worked hard at abstaining.

At home, my husband still is using ice cream because of his throat (tonsillectomy). I have gotten better at ignoring it, but when we were all playing kid cranium last night, both my son and husband were chowing down on dishes of ice cream. I countered it with a bowl of strawberries dipped in some yummy balsamic. :carrot:

I haven't lost weight this week, but I am ok with that. I've lost 10 pounds in less than a month, so stop and start is perfectly reasonable. Trying to be patient.

srmb60
05-14-2010, 10:56 AM
I have never been able to figure out why patients seem to think nurses need chocolate.

BibBob
05-14-2010, 11:23 AM
It was my intention a few days ago to wait for today and write up my primal observations after two whole weeks. It's surprising how much there is to observe, mostly good, but some bad too. But my personal problem mentioned above was basically just another financial hit. My 83 year old mom lives with us and is having knee surgery this week. My 10 year old has missed 3 days of school going back to last Friday and is out again today, this is the third miss, though she attended Tue - Thur. She is battling something. Grandma thinks it's puberty. Oh joy, but she feels pretty bad, runs fevers, sleeps a lot. Poor kid got home from school yesterday at 3:15. I was sitting here on my computer. She sat on my bed and started telling me about her day, what she needed to do to catch up in school, and literally fell asleep talking to me. She didn't wake up until 7pm. This isn't good. Doctor sees her later today. So with all this stuff going on, all I ate yesterday was some slow cooked brisket and broccoli. My stomach is talking about this morning.

This will be another jam packed day of juggling personal and work schedules. The problem is I am the only who can drive! But here's my question. I'm sure we've all seen the income and obesity scales that suggest obesity is demographically an epidemic with the poor. I'm not poor. I'm pretty happy with my work and lifestyle, but I cannot afford to stick to all organic veggies, grass fed beef, free range chicken and eggs. It's just not in the current budget. Or maybe I don't believe enough to force it into the bugdet. I'm only feeding three and none of us are big eaters at the moment, but things are a little tight now. I look at a $12 roast and it's $25 dollar grass fed version, and well, as long as the beef says antibiotic and hormone free, that's what I gotta do, primal or not.

Sorry for the venting. I feel like I'm adding weight to a light thread. Eek.

BibBob
05-14-2010, 11:31 AM
I have never been able to figure out why patients seem to think nurses need chocolate.

I've always found chocolate medicinal so it would seem the patients need the stuff not the staff. I stood in front of the huge row of fresh bread at my local market yesterday and took a big whiff! Fresh baked bread smells so good. Then I thought about everything I've learned about health and grains and easily walked away. I couldn't smell the chocolate up the candy aisle, but I know I don't dare tempt myself like I did with the bread with that stuff. Heroin!

BibBob
05-14-2010, 11:34 AM
I countered it with a bowl of strawberries dipped in some yummy balsamic. :carrot:


Great use of the word countered. :)

Why does mention of strawberries and balsamic make my mouth water?

BibBob
05-14-2010, 11:44 AM
Good job BibBob, I've heard onion rings coated in unsweetened coconut flakes are good too! Onion rings sound yum!

So far so good since my pizza mishap. I'm in the midst of a 24 hr IF. I ate at 7am this morning and had 2 houses to clean today and figured I may just IF since I don't like the late night snacking. So far so good! I'm so thirsty though from sweating like crazy today, cleaning + 85 degrees + humidity = misery! but fat burning! Can't wait to get on the scale in the morning!

Thanks. You're doing great. Sorry I cannot keep up with everyone's situation, but did you previously mention IFing a lot? I seem to naturally IF daily. No breakfast, no lunch, no worries. It allows me to eat more unrestrained when I finally do. Anyway, I am planning a slightly extended IF for next week. I have tickets to the next two Laker games and that's a lot of driving, road food, and restaurant food in LA -- hanging out with my very non primal friends down there. I have no idea how it will go, but I am planning a fast from Tuesday morning maybe through Wednesday sometime, maybe 36 hours. I guess that last stretch of hours can really burn some fat and I'm all about really burning some fat. I only weigh once a month, and I believe the first couple months should show some hefty loss numbers because it is easiest when really fat and it's motivating to see the big numbers too. It also silences the critics who do not understand low carb, and I have a bunch of them right now. Anyway. Wanna join me in an extra effort fat burning extended IF next week? I want numbers! :)

srmb60
05-14-2010, 11:59 AM
We're not rich either. In fact we're kinda struggling since DH started his own business. I simply do the best I can, in ordinary grocery stores. I am looking forward to exploring more markets and things this summer but if the prices are too high, we won't be able to do it.

I think there's even a Mark's Daily Apple blog post about frugality.

There are several blog posts. I found this one helpful.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/grass-fed-meat-options/

Ilene
05-14-2010, 12:24 PM
Bob, I eat Primal but not organic, when I'm rich and famous - yea right :rolleyes: -- I'll go organic, grain fed, yadda yadda yadda... but for now it is what it is... We do what we can with what we got :yes: ... You're doing excellent, I can't wait to see your numbers when you do your monthly weigh-in...Too bad about your daughter :( ... I work in a school and a lot of kids get mono, could it be that?

BibBob
05-14-2010, 04:58 PM
Psst. I just spied on the Ideal Protein peeps and man am I glad I ain't doin' that craziness. sshhh, I'm sure that shake business is helpful.
whatever works, right?

wow... I feel a weight off my shoulders, 1pm Friday, and this week is over. I have the afternoon to myself. The kid is much better. Of course, that may be the arrival of a weekend motivating her to rally for some fun stuff.

I am off for a long long long head clearing, sleep inducing walk. I've had some insomnia this week. I doubt it's diet related.

wildviolets
05-14-2010, 06:21 PM
Hi everyone! Sounds like you all are doing well on your PB eating. My 5yo just graduated from preschool today and they had a huge table of cookies just waiting for me to inhale but I obstained and was so glad I did. (cookies and sweets in general are a huge problem for me.) I just really like the way I feel from eating this way and didn't want to ruin it with all those carbs and sugar. I think if I cut my carbs a little more I would lose more weight but right now it's been a few pounds over 2 weeks of not totally strict primal eating.....and the added bonus of feeling good.


I just made this cauliflower pizza and I thought it was really good. I found it at Primalgirl's blog at wordpress ... ( I didn't realize you can't put links on here or I don't know how to do it). I put olive oil, chopped garlic, sliced red and orange peppers, and shredded romano cheese on top and it was fabulous......

Just thought I'd share. Have a good weekend!

CJZee
05-14-2010, 06:56 PM
Hi all, a great week for me:yay:! I started eating 5 mini-meals a day and lost 4 pounds!!! I've got to say I have been doing my plan now for over a year and if eating mini-meals is all I have to do I'm going to kick myself for not trying it sooner. (Of course, I'm eating all the right stuff, but I did that before.)

Maybe it would have come off anyway, but *for me* 4 pounds is HUGE. It's how much I lose in a month if I'm lucky. So I'm going to keep trying the mini-meals in order to get a more mini-me (I know, I know, sorry):broc:.

PS -- I know that a lot of primal eaters do intermittent fasting. I have often skipped dinner and thus "fasted" from lunch to the next morning. I am just trying different things on the frequency of eating spectrum, hope that's okay with everyone.

canadianwoman
05-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Just bookmarking my spot here. I am very interested in eating and living the Primal Blueprint way. Do not have the book yet but I will at the end of this month.

srmb60
05-15-2010, 09:10 AM
Good morning!
Hi Canadianwoman! Good to see you here with us.

wildviolets ... you'll be able to post links after you've been here a while. It's a safeguard against spammers who come once and post links all over the place. If anyone is hunting for that recipe, let me know and I'll go hunting and post the link.

CJZee ... we're not super fussy about how closely you follow the plan. Fasting is one of those things. As a nurse and 3FC mod, I cannot, in good conscience, support it. However, I have read the PB "science" behind IFing and kinda understand what they're getting at.
If you've been at it long enough to be sure you're body is easily drawing energy from body fat, then I guess it's OK to skip a meal. In that case, I have no problem with a fast ... especially if there is good nutrition at either end of it.
And about small meals. I'm hypoglycemic. It's been best for me to eat small frequent meals since highschool. That did not change in a hurry when I went primal. I continued to nibble for quite a while.
After several weeks I got the hang of understanding hungry/full/stuffed and I haven't had a low blood sugar moment for months. I can skip a meal and I have done a 15 (or so) hour fast. It didn't make much difference and I didn't enjoy it.

Ilene
05-15-2010, 09:44 AM
Hi canadian woman and :welcome: Marc Sisson has a really nice site to start you off if you don't have the book yet...

CJZ -- I like to eat regularly too and am having a hard time doing IF
but I don't eat at night, or if I do I will have almonds and tea or wine... Just do what works for you, we're all an experiment of one :yes:

Last night was NOT Primal... had beer and munchies at a bar with DH and some friends, but today is definitely Primal :yes: ...

wendyland
05-15-2010, 12:02 PM
:welcome2: to the new folks. I'm glad to see others checking out being primal and reading the book.

I'm doing pretty well. I had a really great 50 carb day a couple days ago. I was so busy with work that I didn't eat much.

Bibob, hope your daughter feels better. My oldest dd is 10. Puberty definitely seems like a condition. Sounds like she has more going on.

I can't afford all organic, either. I focus more on getting the top 10 veggies and fruits. I've been thinking about getting a freezer and buying 1/2 a cow. There's a few local grassfed suppliers around here.

Ideal protein diet sounds pretty awful to me (and expensive!).

koceank29
05-15-2010, 12:23 PM
Welcome to everyone new! Glad to have more Primal supporters.

Yesterday was an okay Primal day, a little more of the 75/25. Today is completely primal with lots of activity outside since its so nice, maybe a trip to the pool later. I'm dealing with some stress today, my 12 yr. old dog is very ill, we will see what happens, I'm trying to focus lots of attention on him today too just in case.

I made some chicken thighs in the corckpot overnight for today, with some salsa and tomatoes, probably we'll have green beans with them. My fridge is getting low on my favorites so I'm having to eat my 3rd choice stuff!LOL!

Have a great weekend everyone!

BibBob
05-15-2010, 02:01 PM
Happy Saturday everybody. Nice to see more looking into this way of life. I finally got a great night's sleep, but it took a 12 mile hike. Was I exhausted and my ankles were on fire and swollen, but all's well this morning.

Canadianwoman -- While I love Mark's PB book you can learn a lot about paleo eating online from PhDs with even better cred than Mark. Spend some time at proteinpower dot com and paleonu dot com. I highly recommend the "Get Started" (http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/) link at PaNu. I found his discussion on weight loss (http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2009/8/27/how-to-lose-weight.html) very motivating for some reason, probably because he's so straightforward, nothing sugar coated. Hope you join in. I am sold on the lifestyle and have stopped calling it a diet.
Congrats on your loss CJZee!
Thanks Wendy. The doc thinks she's fine, basic bug making the rounds, no meds. I am making this a daddy/daughter day after she gets some chores done and I get off this pooter. I'll be probing for other issues should they exist. We are extremely close.
Ilene, I am a little bit of a beer snob, but I am now convinced I have serious grain issues and I'm kind of excited about exploring wine with the same passion. Just a random comment, but if "I" can give up beer just about anyone can. ;)

I still have this urge to type up my observations after 2 weeks primal, but I better not waste the time. So briefly, here are some highlights:

The Bad

Friends and family are not supportive. If it was low carb and low fat, they would be.

I developed carb flu, kicked it, but I have an infrequent mucus loaded cough.

I cannot break the midnight snack habit, but I keep it primal.

I'm not losing weight as fast as I would if I just water fasted for two weeks. (that's for mother nurse Susan hehe)

The Good

I'll only weigh on the first of each month, otherwise I get obsessed by the scale, but my guess is I'm down 15-20 pounds; and most importantly, not only have I rarely been hungry, I usually feel quite full. Awesome. Wearing shirts I couldn't two weeks ago.

My blood pressure has fallen from a consistent 140/110 to 119/68 yesterday. Amazing

My very difficult bowel movements are history. I count this a major lifestyle ehhancement.

I feel very strong physically and mentally.

My kid is eating much much healthier.


edit to add: both of my links encourage IFing, but it certainly isn't for everyone. I get great weight loss results from a variety of different fasting techniques, but I have always yo yo'd. This paleo version seems to answer that problem because it is a sustainable way to live, not a desperate crash diet -- yet the results are pretty similar.

Ilene
05-15-2010, 02:56 PM
Bob, water, tea, coffee, wine and beer, in order of preference, are the only things I drink... :cheers:

Just had the best lunch... salmon burgers wrapped in romaine lettuce with slices of avocado and a touch of mayo :hun: who needs freakin' bread when you have wraps like that... They were soooo good...

With the rest of the avocado I made chocolate pudding for a mid afternoon snack... This morning I experimented with making almond flour pancake, with very little success... they were good, but looked nothing like a pancake :lol: ... I added some frozen blueberries on top after they were in the pan and when I wanted to flip them over they turned blue and broke apart... looked like heck but were tasty enough just the same...gonna have to work on them for looks :lol:

Ilene
05-15-2010, 02:57 PM
Bob, just wanted to add that your good list is quite impressive...

kaplods
05-15-2010, 07:45 PM
I made a pork roast with sauerkraut and onion overnight in the crockpot. Hubby isn't a fan (he likes the pork, but I get all the sauerkraut), and then made mashed cauliflower as a side (when I was a kid, it was always mashed potatoes).

Old habits die hard, though. I remember this as a dish that was a bit of a celebration dinner in my family - and overeating was part of the celebration.

I recognized the binge potential, so I deliberately chose a tiny bowl instead of a plate and layered my kraut and pork over the mashed cauliflower. I expected to want a second bowl, but one was more than plenty. I'm glad I didn't start with a typical old-style portion (it was so good, I was tempted to go back for a second helping, but I wasn't hungry).

As usual (in keeping with my memories of the tradition), though I wish I had put in more sauerkraut (though I also remembered why that wouldn't be such a good idea - overeating the kraut can have digestive consequences).

It's good made with canned sauerkraut, but it's much, much better with the bagged kraut (even better with home made kraut, but I'm afraid of doing that kind of home chemistry, especially since I don't have a cool porch or cellar to leave the crock).

CJZee
05-15-2010, 09:30 PM
Today was an odd day eating, I had an early appt. and missed breakfast. I still eat some dairy in the form of Greek yogurt and cottage cheese, plus a little hard cheese. Also I eat fruit a couple times a week although I try to stick to veggies and proteins most days.

For lunch I had:
A big salad with lots of veggies and a tiny bit of cheese, and egg salad

For dinner I had:
A large spoonful of green salad olives with pimentos, cottage cheese and a can of sardines plus an apple

Fage Greek yogurt mixed with unsweetened cocoa and splenda for a kind of "pudding" dessert

I've decided to stop now and have a low calorie day (for me) around 1100 calories. Usually I eat 1500 or so, often more but I'm not hungry now and I'm not going to have anything else, the kitchen is closed.

Also went for a walk tonight and will go swimming tomorrow morning (I always go swimming when my hair's dirty, LOL). The last time I swam laps I did "sprint" laps interspersed with more leisurely ones. I kept thinking about a lion chasing me, but maybe I should consider a shark instead :)

So what do you all think about dairy and fruit in primal land?

katerina11
05-16-2010, 02:27 AM
Today was decent. I made a balsamic pot roast and taco meat before I went to work. The taco meat had tons of onion, garlic and some mushrooms. I added cumin, salt, pepper and a can of rotel tomatoes and chilies.

I had some of the taco meat with sour cream before I left for work.

At work I ate a salad of greens, butter lettuce, half an apple, red bell pepper, almonds, bacon and a french vinaigrette. It was Brianna's brand dressing and it was delicious! I also had 8 strawberries.

Dinner was a small bowl of pot roast. (Just now. I worked evening shift) I'm still hungry but am trying to resist the urge to eat lots so late at night.

I love this way of eating. If I could only get over the physical reaction to even a picture of a cookie or brownie. Hopefully that craving lessens with time, like my craving for cigarette's did when I stopped smoking. That took about a year for me to just not want one anymore.

katerina11
05-16-2010, 02:30 AM
So what do you all think about dairy and fruit in primal land?


I eat the stuff, but I'm not a perfect primal eater.

People have varying opinions, but generally speaking it's very little dairy, and berries are ok in moderation. Some ok other fruit, too. Mark Sisson (marksdailyapple dot com) is a pretty moderate proponent of primal eating. I tend to strive towards his recommendations.

koceank29
05-16-2010, 10:03 AM
Sounds like everyone made great choices and had a good Saturday!

As far as fruit is concerned I stick to berries, maybe a banana once in a while, and some citrus in marinades. I notice a difference in my weightloss slowing if I eat too much fruit, plus it makes me crave sweets especcially if I eat fruit in the morning.

With dairy, I try to keep it low. I don't do much yogurt anymore, but I do have heavy cream,whole milk,goats milk,goat cheese(I love this stuff!), mozzerella 1x week, cheddar/gouda once in a while. Like fruit, if I eat too much dairy I will gain weight. I keep it very low!

Bob, great snapshot of your observations. I have to agree with the lack of support, if I was low carb and low fat then everyone would be all for it, but even when I choose to discuss the way I eat with family now, I hear "you are trading sugar for heart disease." I just shrug it off now, I can't make everyone see the light if they aren't ready to!
I'm so jealous of your hikes, I don't get opportunities for those in my life right now with a 5 yr old and 10m old, plus I have worries being a female and going for a hike alone, but hopefully 1 day my husband and I can get my mom to watch the kids and we'll go for a hike, I have a state park 3 miles from me that has 18 miles of hiking trails so this summer I will get it done!

Kaplods: Good job on recognizing a potential binge situation and using a smaller bowl! The sauerkraut sounds yummy, that isn't something I have ever fixed but I always love it. I think my hubby would love that! I'll have to try it.

wildviolets
05-16-2010, 10:45 AM
Hi everyone.
Saturday was a miserable eating day and I was so sick that I know I will be eating right today. Won't go into the details but cookies were involved.

Bob you sound like you are doing great! I'm doing this mostly for how it makes me feel......more energetic, less migraines and stomaches. But weightloss would be nice. Plus it just seems to make sense to me.

Ilene, that salmon burger sounds delish!!! I think I will make that this week. I love to cook and I find the challenge of cooking paleo fun.
Everyone else, keep up the good work!
Denise

srmb60
05-16-2010, 10:48 AM
I should just stop buying almond butter. I never used to eat bananas, now I have two because they're so good with almond butter. Fruit causes a sweet thing with me too. I have to be very cautious.
Dairy? cream in coffee, and cheese ... it's just so easy to grab, and cottage cheese the odd time because it's cleaner than prepared salad dressing (sorta)

BibBob
05-16-2010, 01:52 PM
Thanks Denise. I hope I am this enthused in six months.

Kara, In a way the lack of support is motivating me to prove them wrong and maybe even help some of them eventually. Obesity runs in the family. I can see the lack of support being a drag eventually, so I need results to prevent that. All the moms in the family went out to breakfast last Sunday and one who ordered oatmeal, whole wheat toast and peaches claimed she had the healthiest meal. I argued the one who had bacon and eggs was better off. :smug:

Also, I am in the Mojave Desert (the gateway to Death Valley) so hikes will be limited in about 4 weeks due to extreme heat. I'm going to hate that. I've become as much a fan of walking in town as out in the desert, but I think the paleo barefoot ideas are cookoo.

On dairy, it seems the paleo diet has evolved (how appropriate) to accept dairy as real food. Dr. Loren Cordain, one of the pioneers of paleo eating, disdains dairy and ruled it out as neolithic and unhealthful. Mark Sisson has posts on his blog that both encourage and discourage dairy. He never rules it out or encourages it in volume. Dr. Harris, who is my go to guy, loves butter and cream and finds them very nutritious and healthy for someone who doesn't have lactose tolerance or other dairy issues. My dairy is very limited lately, but Kathy's mention of taco meat got me into a bunch of sour cream yesterday with grilled chicken in taco seasonings.

I look at almond butter every time I'm in the store. I'm afraid of that stuff. I'd just grab a bunch of celery and scoop it out of the jar til empty. I eat too many almonds as it is.

wendyland
05-16-2010, 03:23 PM
Speaking of almond butter, if anyone has a Trader Joes nearby, they now have almond butter with roasted flax seeds. It's amazing. I don't feel the need to overeat it, luckily.

I didn't eat all that much dairy and fruit anyway. Maybe one dairy item and one fruit a day at the most. I'm more concerned with quitting grains than anything else. The more I hear about grains, the more I want to stay away from them. Especially the ones with gluten. Jimmy Moore just did an interview with Melissa Diane Smith about her book Going against the grain. I listened to his podcast of it a couple days ago. It was really interesting.

I'm doing pretty well today. I fasted through breakfast and ate an early lunch of grilled chicken, green beans (and a few of my daughters fries and pepsi). At least I took the bun off of my sandwich and didn't get my own order of fries. Improvement!!!

BibBob
05-16-2010, 04:36 PM
Wendy, I listened to that interview last week also. I even looked up Melissa and had a little email exchange with her. She strongly favors lean meats and I still wonder if that isn't best myself, but I think the fats are helping me.

Anyhoo. Yeah, grains are probably the biggest demon exorcised by primal eating. I have completely lost interest in them. I think I am brainwashed, but whatever works. I avoid a few drops of soy sauce at this point. NO grains. Period. I can't say if it's grain or sugar, probably both, but my stomach is much happier without them.

katerina11
05-17-2010, 03:16 AM
A seconding on my tummy feeling better these days! I was using omeprazole 20 mg twice a day for pretty severe GERD. I haven't used it in weeks, although I have had to eat a couple tum's here and there, on the days I have indulged in coffee.

Bob, I'm sorry if I sparked a sour cream binge! I use a tablespoon or two with my taco meat. Top it with shredded lettuce and some more tomatoes and it's a pretty tasty salad.

Today I had
2 eggs and 5 slices bacon
goodish size salad with kalamatas, artichoke hearts, carrots, and a bit of shredded cheddar with caesar dressing.
muscle milk
taco meat

I don't like using the muscle milk, but I didn't pack anything and all of the meat dishes at work were not appetizing. Hospital food ain't exactly the greatest. Yesterday when I packed a lunch, I ate much better.

CJZee
05-17-2010, 06:53 AM
I am really trying to eat 5 mini-meals because I think doing so caused a little "whoosh" this week. I actually *think* I'm down another pound but I have one of those old-fashioned scales that make it hard to tell exactly what weight you are within a pound or two.

It's hard eating so often (actually, the eating part is not hard, it's the planning and preparing that's time consuming), but I'm going to keep doing this and see where it brings me. Having done this for more than a year now, it's still difficult for me to figure out the *why* of weight loss at any particular time. Why this whoosh now? Perhaps it's working because my last meal of the day is so small, or perhaps because the meals themselves are small and can digest more easily even though I'm eating the same number of calories. Perhaps it's because I've been doing water exercise classes and swimming vs. going to the gym. Perhaps it's because it's May 2010 and the time is right.

Whatever reason, I hope it continues. Only 10 pounds from onederland!

katerina11
05-17-2010, 10:37 AM
CJ, That's so exciting to be so close to onederland! :carrot: Have you been doing primal this whole time?

jillybean720
05-17-2010, 11:18 AM
Welcome to a new week, all!

I went way off track over the weekend. I'm paying for it now - my tummy (err, entire digestive tract) is NOT happy. But, I'll fix it today! Started off with 1.5 protein shakes and am more than halfway through my 1.5-liter bottle of water this morning, so the rumblings are settling a bit :^:

If I didn't have milk for my protein shakes and cheese, I would NOT be a happy camper! And I use Hood Calorie Countdown milk, which has Splenda in it, so it's about as far from "primal" as milk can get! But I strive for 100-150 grams of protein daily, so with my smaller stomach capacity, I need these shakes in addition to food. I will be ordering some samples, though, of fruity flavored protein powders I can mix with water instead - thought that would be a nice change for during the summer.

I don't typically eat much in the way of fruit because, for me, carbs are carbs, regardless of form, at least in how they affect my glucose levels. I love bananas, but I think I've had maybe 3 in the past year. I went through a spurt of eating apple slices with peanut butter, but I cut that all out to lower my carb intake. With summer quickly approaching, I know I'll be having fruit at family picnics and such (often the best alternative to whatever else is available!), but I avoid it on my own time to keep my carbs in check.

wendyland
05-17-2010, 12:02 PM
Wendy, I listened to that interview last week also. I even looked up Melissa and had a little email exchange with her. She strongly favors lean meats and I still wonder if that isn't best myself, but I think the fats are helping me.


Yeah, my only worry with fattier meats is when eating non-organic, since toxins are stored in the fat. I don't eat that much fatty meat, except rib eyes, but that's not too often. I'm trying to get more of my fat through organic butter and coconut oil.

CJZee
05-17-2010, 12:44 PM
CJ, That's so exciting to be so close to onederland! :carrot: Have you been doing primal this whole time?

Thank you, Kathy!! The first month (March 2009), I did standard "diet" fare based on the recommendation of my personal trainer ... high carbs, low fat, and lost one pound I think. It was agonizing because I counted calories religiously, worked out 6 days a week, etc. etc.

Then, I went on strict Atkins emphasizing whole foods, and that's pretty primal although I didn't even know about primal then. I did very well on Atkins, but then I started traveling a lot, eating out etc. and felt I needed something with a bit more flexibility (yes, I know people do okay on Atkins when eating out, but I wasn't one of them).

I actually had been calorie counting all along because my software tracks both carbs, calories (and everything else) so I just switched to sticking with calorie-counting, although I still kept quite low on the carbs ... almost always under 100 grams (usually much lower) and little to no wheat products.

Then I started reading about primal and realized that, food-wise, was pretty much what I was doing, it just gave a name to it. I haven't incorporated the HIIT yet, although I do exercise and try to do "mini" HIIT (jog, then walk, then jog; swim, swim hard, swim; etc).

Anyway, primal makes fundamental sense to me, although, as I said, I eat some dairy and a little fruit. I keep it mostly to proteins and veggies, though, and I'm not afraid of fat. My diet probably averages 55% fat.

Some things about the diet I'm absolutely sure of:
- "real" foods are the thing to eat
- no HFCS or any other added sugars of any type
- no trans fat
- little to no grain
- minimize starches, only eat "real food" starches when I do
- minimize processed foods
- certain fats are not your enemy (mono-unsaturated are good)
- use olive oil, not seed oils like corn, soybean, etc.
- eggs, fish are good
- supplementing with Omega 3 fatty acids
- supplementing with Vitamin D
- helps keep blood sugar low (I'm not diabetic, but I track my BS because it runs in my family)

Other things I'm not so sure of, mostly because the experts don't agree. I've seen studies on all these things that come down on both sides.
- sat fat? is it good or bad?
>meat fat
>coconut oil
- dairy?
- fruit?
- legumes?
- nitrites ?
- nuts (they're high in omega 6's)?
- frequency of eating - mini-meals OR intermittent fasting OR standard 3 meals?
- how important is total cholesterol? Who should take statins?

So, that is sort of my mental breakdown on primal, and I will just keep muddling through as best I can.

Any thoughts regarding the above lists would be great! Thanks! CJ

kaplods
05-17-2010, 04:59 PM
I think that mimicking a primal diet is pretty difficult, but it's an excellent way to think about how we eat.

I do include some very non-primal foods (like Splenda), but I try to keep things in perspective. Mimicking the fat/carb/protein/vitamin & mineral/ calorie ratios to me, makes more sense than mimicking the exact diet (it's not palatable and probably not safe to eat insects in the proportions that early man did).

I'm not philosophically opposed to eating insects. In fact, I think it would be kind of cool if we developed better insect harvesting techniques, and could rely less on pesticides. Eventually insects would be safe to eat once again. That being said, I've never intentionally eaten an insect, and I'm not sure I could do it. I think I could eat an ant (I've watched Anthony Bourdaine and Andrew Zimmern do it often enough on their food/travel shows), but I don't think I could eat a grub or a spider (maybe the grubs that when you deep fry them, are said to have the texture of popcorn or cheesy puffs).

I don't eat insects, and I don't eat much animal bone, skin, and other connective tissue, so I don't mind getting my calcium from supplements and occasional dairy servings.

Today was a good example of keeping the "spirit" of primal eating. I had a slice of super-thin crust pizza. I was tempted to go down the dark path of "I blew it, so I'll have another piece and start fresh tomorrow."

Instead I imagined Grok. Occasionally Grok would have encountered high-carb treats. But they were few and fat between. High starch or high sugar foods like some tubers, honey and really ripe fruit weren't frequent treats, because there was too much competition for them - or they were difficult to aquire.

So, I imagined that pizza crust (about 80 calories - it was a super thin crust, and I had a slim slice) as a starchy tuber or a piece of very ripe fruit. Grok probably would encounter such foods rarely, and when he did, he probably had to work pretty hard to get it (imagine the difficulty in harvesting wild honey).

So instead of grabbing that second piece, I reminded myself that Grok could have occasionally found a similar treat (ok, not very similar - can't think of an primal equivalent of pizza) - the chances of him getting a second would be pretty unlikely, and would have probably had to work pretty hard to get it.

So, I stuck with the one piece, and I'm going to add some time to my walk.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not justifying the pizza. It falls under the 90/10 moderation that Mark talks about in the book and on the website, but it really helped to put it in a primal context. It's so easy to think of diet changes as black and white, on and off. Especially when it comes to weight loss, it's the way I'm used to. I've had to struggle with that, especially because 30 plus years of dieting has taught me to be rigidly on-plan or out-of-control eating and rarely anywhere in-between.

I'm working hard at stopping that. For some reason, though it seems that the primal concept really helps me stay focused. I'm trying to be as much like Grok as I can be...

And right now, that's not very. I have no illusions here. If I were dropped into the Paleolithic era right now. I'd be dead within a month (who am I kidding, probably within 24 hours). But, by trying to imagine what I would need to learn in order to stay alive then, I think is really helping me learn what I kneed to do in order to stay alive now.

Caveman in training?

BibBob
05-17-2010, 05:22 PM
- sat fat? is it good or bad?
>meat fat
>coconut oil


Mr. Primal weighs in very strongly. (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/)


- dairy?
- fruit?
- nuts (they're high in omega 6's)?
- legumes?


Mark's done a handful of posts on dairy. He's a fan of some of the benefits, but it falls in the limited consumption category with fruit and nuts. Berries are the preferred fruit, all others very limited. Nuts are okay, but also in small amounts. They are my weakness on this diet. I like crunchy.

Here's his thoughts on legumes. (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/beans-legumes-carbs/)

Personally, I am avoiding them 100% like grains until I am down over 100 pounds. As he says, carbs are carbs.


- nitrites ?


Please read the discussion following his article. (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/sodium-nitrite-meat/)

I have always minimized nitrates because of the bad press. I've dug into this one pretty deep because of my budget, love of salami, and a few other processed meats, and *I personally* am not worrying about them.



- frequency of eating - mini-meals OR intermittent fasting OR standard 3 meals?
- how important is total cholesterol? Who should take statins?


Meal frequency is not necessarily part of the primal equation as I understand it. There is a movement within for IFing, but that can be said of many diets these days. This one, I think, is up to the individual.

They hate statins and think total cholesterol is a bogus number. The ratio of hdl to ldl is more important, and I am not educated enough to comment further.

Hope this helped. I'm leaving for LA and dining at my favorite Italian restaurant tonight. This should be an interesting three days.

srmb60
05-17-2010, 05:37 PM
I'm agreeing with Kaplods. I'm finding that eating primally blends quite nicely with my beliefs wrt eating locally, whole foods, natural ingredients etc If you can't figure out how they did that ... it's probably not food :)

Caveman in training? Old fashioned girl from farm country?

katerina11
05-17-2010, 08:13 PM
I'm agreeing with Kaplods. I'm finding that eating primally blends quite nicely with my beliefs wrt eating locally, whole foods, natural ingredients etc If you can't figure out how they did that ... it's probably not food :)



This is my goal. I love this philosophy. I'm not following it (note: muscle milk drink once a week or so), but it's a work in progress. I hope to eventually have a freezer in a future garage of a future house, where we can keep all the cuts from a side of beef from a cow that was raised in a pasture. I would *love* to have my own chickens and have fresh eggs, too.

Bob, I am a fan of the nuts, too. :D yum.

CJ, I think bob posted some great links and I love what Susan and kap have to say as well. If you haven't read Good Calories Bad Calories, you might get lots out of it. It convinced me that sat fat is not the devil. Among other things. That book is what brought me to primal eating. Seeing how you have lost so much weight eating essentially primal is a super bonus!

jillybean720
05-17-2010, 09:05 PM
You guys rock. I have to say you're quite inspirational. In all honesty, eating primal is not even a goal of mine, not even eating "mostly" primal. I am solely focusing on low carbs and high protein. I did well today (to hopefully make up for the weekend!):

1.5 protein shakes (chocolate mint protein powder and Hood Calorie Countdown milk, 2%)
roasted chicken, shredded cheese, crumbled bacon, mayo, and bacon ranch dressing
1.5 protein shakes
Outback: cup of clam chowder, little less than half of a 9oz teriyaki sirloin, couple bites of pea pods and broccoli

srmb60
05-17-2010, 09:16 PM
We are a lovely and diverse group! Love it!

Ilene
05-17-2010, 09:45 PM
I can't bring myself to eating the high fat meats and such, even bacon, but tonight I ate around the bone of a good steak :hun: ... Today I baked some red velvet cupcakes, I now know why I quit baking things :rolleyes: about 15 years ago, I eat more of the batter and icing as I am making it... I could :frypan: myself, now I have a headache and feel very jittery :hyper: ... It was DS's 22nd birthday and he requested red velvet cupcakes... I'm drinking a lot of water to compensate, of sorts, for the sugar...

I did roller blade today with DD, it was fun...

wendyland
05-17-2010, 10:23 PM
Great discussion. I'm not getting worked up about the fact that I'm not following primal every waking moment of my life. It's something that I am taking slow and that's working much better for me than my usual "all or nothing". I'm finding that I'm really not as interested in sweets as I used to be. I go to Barnes and Noble a lot. It's my quiet time place away from my kids and work. I used to have to have a treat every time that I went. I almost got a cookie today because it was habit. Then, I checked in with myself and found that I didn't even want one. I came home and had a piece of dark chocolate for only 100 calories and 7 carbs.

Blackberry Fields
05-18-2010, 04:12 AM
*peeks in* Hi!

I don't know if this is what I'm doing and I can't imagine I'll adhere very strictly to primal eating, but the overall principles do suit me best from everything I've read about it (mostly on Mark's blog).

Empty carbs have been the bane of my existence and how I ended up obese at the age of 11. I've started eating fish and poultry and nuts instead of most fruit. I've lost weight and I'm feeling great.

Thank you BibBob for answering those questions. I have a brand new one if you don't mind. It's very difficult for me to find fresh berries, I live in a small town and getting them off season is pretty much out of the question. Does freezing affect their nutrition too much to make them worthwhile? I remember reading a while ago that frozen blueberries are still nutritious, but I can only find mixed frozen berries. I do intend to buy lots of berries in season and freeze my own, but I don't want to wait that long if I don't have to.



Here's his thoughts on legumes. (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/beans-legumes-carbs/)


OK, I love legumes and could never quit them, but I haven't had any in about two months, just never had the time to cook/soak. I've been constantly under 80g of carbs a day for the past 2 weeks, so... I see red beans in my future. :)

I need my cinnamon-sprinkled oatmeal in the morning, even if it's only about 3 tablespoons and I also eat high-fiber whole wheat tortillas, but I find they're worth the 14g of carbs two or three times a week. None of that today, I have delicious, mineral-packed sardines to bring with me to work today.

srmb60
05-18-2010, 06:57 AM
Hi Blackberry Fields!
Good morning everyone!

I actually made a dish for dinner last night instead of meat and a vegetable! Chicken breast cut up in chunks with canned tomato, sautee'd onion and italian spices. Very nice and I have some leftover for my lunch today.

DH asked for rhubarb so I had to decide between sugar and splenda. Since I'm trying to forgo diet coke too ... I chose the sugar. Very little compared to how I used to cook it! He loved it. About 3/4 of the quart I made is gone! I had a nice little bowl before bed. No harm, no foul.

In another attempt to make myself eat breakfast ... I put butter, coconut oil, ground almonds, coconut and blueberries in the food processor. A spoonful was delicious last night but I'm gonna have to choke it down this morning. I am sooo not a morning person!
Maybe I'll take it to work with me and have it a little later.

CJZee
05-18-2010, 07:14 AM
Thanks everyone for their response to my *long* outline of thoughts on eating primal. In reality, I don't care whether I'm primal or not. The label is not important, what is important *to me* is whether I am doing the most healthy things for my body.

I have read extensively on all these issues and I know there is good science behind, for example, eating saturated fats. However, there are still knowledgeable people with what I perceive to be open minds -- like Dr. Andrew Weil -- who believe lean protein is the way to go. Here is a link to a very interesting discussion on Larry King between Gary Taubes, Dr. Oz, and Dr. Weil: Link here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LNH0RPXI0M&NR=1) (This has nothing to do with saturated fat, btw, I just think it's a fascinating interchange.) I think Gary Taubes is fabulous, absolutely fabulous. I think Dr. Oz is a raving lunatic in this discussion, trying to defend his position without real consideration of the heavy science in Taubes' book which he just dismisses. If you're a doctor or scientist and you don't agree with something, give me some *hard* reasons why, refute the claims with facts not anecdotal information. And then we come to Dr. Weil who, I think, took exactly the right tone. He acknowledges Taubes' work, thinks its important. He is not so vested in his thoughts that he dismisses it (and this dismissive attitude of supposed scientists without consideration for the facts makes me crazy:dizzy:crazy!)

For me, this all translates into a conundrum every time I go to the store and look at the organic or Greek yogurt, for example -- full fat or no fat or 2%??? I usually opt for the 2% coming down squarely in the *I don't know what to do* category, sigh. Many bloggers really believe the full-fat stuff is the best for us healthwise, but there is so much pulling in the other direction with some bases in fact.

Same with meat ... low fat chicken or high fat beef.

And, if you're calorie counting like I am, you can eat more of the low fat stuff and I *do* like volume. But the taste is way better on the high-fat stuff for me. So ultimately, I would choose the "healthier" choice if only I knew what that was.

That's why I divided my list into 2 parts. The first part is *gospel* for me, the second part is not.

I am particularly interested right now in statins for cholesterol. I have read so many negative things about statins, but high cholesterol runs in my family. I do have high HDL and low triglycerides, but my LDL and total cholesterol are a bit over the limit. Should I take a statin? My dr. wants me to. It is a conundrum for me.

It just seems to me there should be some *final* answer to these questions by people who really know what they're talking about.

Blackberry Fields
05-18-2010, 07:36 AM
Susan, I'd NEVER eat breakfast if I had to eat it at home, I'm just not hungry when I wake up and I start my day with lots of water. I always have breakfast at work, I aim for no later than 9:30, though I've had it later as well. Is there a rule that says you have to have it much earlier? I think if you form a breakfast routine at work like I did, it'll be much easier to gulp it down.

Ilene
05-18-2010, 11:04 AM
:welcome: BlackBerry :D

I like breakfast but I do eat it a couple of hours after waking...

I put butter, coconut oil, ground almonds, coconut and blueberries in the food processor.I don't know :shrug: but I doubt I would be able to choke that combo at any time, it's just not appetizing to me... But who am I to judge... Some of my combos are pretty bizzare...

I eat full fat but less of it, I have been for years, I just find it much tastier...

Another gorgeous day in Ontario... Running this afternoon with DD, she has a new job this summer and has Monday and Tuesdays off instead of the usual weekend Sat and Sun... I kinda like it we get to do a lot of stuff... She will roller blade while I run... I roller bladed yesterday, I want to keep up my running so I'll run behind her today...

Have a great day every one :wave: ...

katerina11
05-18-2010, 11:50 AM
I am particularly interested right now in statins for cholesterol. I have read so many negative things about statins, but high cholesterol runs in my family. I do have high HDL and low triglycerides, but my LDL and total cholesterol are a bit over the limit. Should I take a statin? My dr. wants me to. It is a conundrum for me.

It just seems to me there should be some *final* answer to these questions by people who really know what they're talking about.

My husband is a pharmacy student (one more year and he's done!) and recently did some research on statins and he came to the conclusion that statins help by reducing inflammation. I think I remember him saying that , yes, statins lowered LDL, but they also lowered HDL. It's the ratio that is more important than the actual numbers, and it doesn't affect the ratio. I will ask him to explain it all to me when he gets home. He has a long lecture day today, and then I work evenings, so it won't be until tomorrow, but I;m pretty sure that's what he found. I'm sure he still has the primary sources he used for his research, too, which I can then give you.

BibBob
05-18-2010, 12:03 PM
Hi Blackberry Fields,

Frozen berries lose very little nutrient value. Processed and cooked lose quite a bit. Make sure they are loose in the bag else they have thawed and refrozen which is not good.

On the issue of eating fats. I'm heavily conditioned by a life of obesity and diet failure to avoid them. I may even fear them a little and find them sort of gross. My whole life I have carved the fat off of my beef afraid it was unhealthy and made me fat -- even though avoiding them still made me fat. I've opted for lean ham when I really wanted bacon far too many times. Some brilliant doctors and thousands of success stories have me rethinking this. I am trying to eat more fat. I am liking it. I credit it for killing my appetite and making me feel more satisfied through the day. Weight is melting off of me. I rarely feel hungry. What if it all really was a big fat lie? What if the so called lipid hypothesis, low fat diet dogma, really is the reason we are fat today? I have sacrificed grains -- fine, not easy, but fine. It's that important, even for this pasta loving Italian. I have sacrificed sugar -- fine, I know better. That's kiddie food when you get down to it. I am avoiding a huge laundry list of processed foods and everything made from soy and seed oils. Jebus, the list of foods that get nixed by their labels is ridiculous. 90% of the grocery store is taboo. I am desperate and this made sense for one reason. I get to eat the fat. I don't think this could be a sustainable lifestyle without bacon, egg yolks, fun stuff like butter, cheese, Italian sausages cooked in tomato sauce, topped with fresh mozzarella and broiled. There's a list of fatty foods I thought I had to eliminate but found I get to enjoy them. That's how I can eliminate the other stuff. If you take the fat away, I yo yo again. I've done that enough to know. If I get to eat the fat, I see a lifestyle, not a diet.
I'll go back to square one and keep searching if this fails, but I am pretty convinced this works.

My favorite Italian restaurant in LA had great choices for me. I went with Chicken Al Forno and no one noticed me avoiding bread and pasta. I had a sauteed mushroom appetizer, a nice dinner salad, and pile of italian veggies with the chicken. I didn't miss a thing. I was 100% paleo in a nice restaurant and it was wonderful, and the chicken fat seeped into the olive oil and herbs made for some great dipping with the chicken meat. All hot and fatty and juicy and oily... slurp. hehe

Ilene
05-18-2010, 12:17 PM
I agree that it's a lot easier and more pleasant to be primal/paleo in a restaurant than with other diet lifestyles :yes: ...

wildviolets
05-18-2010, 12:54 PM
Bob, that sounds delicious!!!! I agree....I think the fat is what makes this way of living the most doable. You can truly feel satisfied after every meal.

CJZee your concerns and confusion are also mine......I have been eating ALOT of fatty food lately and I wonder if I'm going overbored. And I've been going crazy with dairy products too. I do feel good though so that's a plus!

By the way, is MAYO primal? Or is it one of those foods you should eat but just a little. I find I'm eating all kinds of salads, chicken salad, salmon salad, broccoli salad.....even buffalo chicken dip with celery. Moderation is a hard thing for me.


Susan, I also don't eat breakfast. I am just not hungry. I can get into the habit of it but do we really need to eat it everyday or is it something we can skip every once in awhile (aka IFing) but not everyday.

I guess I need to get the book. I find it hard to read too much online....I bought PB on my kindle but it's hard to navigate.....I need a hard copy.

CJZee
05-18-2010, 02:30 PM
My husband is a pharmacy student (one more year and he's done!) and recently did some research on statins and he came to the conclusion that statins help by reducing inflammation. I think I remember him saying that , yes, statins lowered LDL, but they also lowered HDL. It's the ratio that is more important than the actual numbers, and it doesn't affect the ratio. I will ask him to explain it all to me when he gets home. He has a long lecture day today, and then I work evenings, so it won't be until tomorrow, but I;m pretty sure that's what he found. I'm sure he still has the primary sources he used for his research, too, which I can then give you.

Thank you, Kathy! I do think I understand the gist of it all. I just want to know if I should take a statin, I don't think I have any risk factors other than being overweight for heart disease. I know I should be under 200 in the total cholesterol and under 100 in the LDL, but my ratio of total to HDL is not too bad. I have also read that eating saturated fats raises LDL (bad cholesterol) but it raises the "big fluffy" parts of LDL (the parts which supposedly "aren't bad", the small dense particles are.)
Cholesterol - 236
HDL - 56
LDL - 162
CH/HDL ratio - 4.23

Now I don't know if my LDL had large fluffy or small dense particles. I asked my doctor about a test to determine that, is there one? He is a little put off, I think, by my questioning on the statin issue. I certainly don't want to harm myself in any way by doing something stupid. Maybe there is a less invasive way to lower cholesterol. And, as we all know, correlation does not equal causation.

koceank29
05-18-2010, 03:04 PM
CJ- take a look at this, really helps with the cholesterol questions.


http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/showthread.php?4723-Cholesterol-A-Primer-(Attempt-2

katerina11
05-18-2010, 05:14 PM
Thank you, Kathy! I do think I understand the gist of it all. I just want to know if I should take a statin, I don't think I have any risk factors other than being overweight for heart disease. I know I should be under 200 in the total cholesterol and under 100 in the LDL, but my ratio of total to HDL is not too bad. I have also read that eating saturated fats raises LDL (bad cholesterol) but it raises the "big fluffy" parts of LDL (the parts which supposedly "aren't bad", the small dense particles are.)
Cholesterol - 236
HDL - 56
LDL - 162
CH/HDL ratio - 4.23

Now I don't know if my LDL had large fluffy or small dense particles. I asked my doctor about a test to determine that, is there one? He is a little put off, I think, by my questioning on the statin issue. I certainly don't want to harm myself in any way by doing something stupid. Maybe there is a less invasive way to lower cholesterol. And, as we all know, correlation does not equal causation.

VLDL is a byproduct of glucose metabolism, specifically from fructose. Lots of insurance companies won't pay for the test, but I think it's important. My husband thinks that the VLDL test is less than 100$.

Your doctor should be very interested in treating *you* not just your numbers and he should be happy that you are really taking this seriously. I question his value as your primary care provider just from what you told me. My doctor encourages questions.

My husband came back. He will gather some links if you want, but essentially he says this:

That the efficacy of statins reducing mortality is small or nil in almost all studies. They *do* lower LDL, but how much VLDL vs "fluffy" LDL is unknown. He didn't come across a study that reduced mortality by any significant degree, especially as it increases your risk of liver failure, renal failure (by way of muscle breakdown which releases myoglobin, causing acute renal failure and can cause permanent insufficiency or failure), diabetes (! I didn't know that one) as well as neuropathy.

When statins are given to people who already have a low LDL, the mortality reduction (small) remains the same as when statins are given to those with a high LDL, so it's possible that the reduction in LDL isn't really what make statins (somewhat) useful. Lots of people are starting to think it's the anti inflammitory properties that made them useful.

He also said (I was wrong) that there is also a small increase in HDL's with statins.

There haven't been any good long term studies on fish oil, so he can't recommend just replacing the use of statins with fish oil, but you might try fish oil, niacin (start with a low dose and take it at night - flushing is a side effect) and soluble fiber, before you embark on statin therapy. Exercise is also huge.

JulieJ08
05-18-2010, 10:30 PM
I decided that instead of worrying about the fat and whether its too much or too little, I just think in terms of whole foods and good taste, kind of along the lines you hear with the French Paradox. I use as much fat as tastes great. But I don't try to pack on fat just because (which a lot people do). Sometimes that means I, gasp, have low fat food (not modified to be low fat, just naturally low fat), and sometimes it means something outrageously fatty, and usually something in between.

For me, that's kind of an intuitive approach. I don't want to go from obsessing over calories to obsessing over lots of other nutritional details. Or from being afraid of fat to being afraid of too little fat.

I read a book that was maybe a bit frou frou/new agey, but what I really like in it was the idea how we eat (with relaxation and pleasure) makes a big difference in how our body handles the food. That "fair" food, thorough enjoyed without stressing over it is more nutritious than "perfect" food you analyze within an inch of its life and worry you still didn't get it right.

The mind-body connection is a powerful thing. (FYI, the book is The Slow Down Diet, by Marc David).

Somehow, I have this idea that over time, my body will lead me to the right food and lifestyle if I let it. I think the paleo movement is much further from being objective than it claims to be. I see lots of people on paleo or low carb forums pick apart every detail of studies they don't agree with, and gloss over the weaknesses of the one that agree with them. So while I think there's much good going on in the movement, I don't feel like I have to be faithful to the one true diet ;) because I don't think we know what it is yet.

Sorry that turned into rambling!

srmb60
05-19-2010, 07:21 AM
Amen to this ... I don't feel like I have to be faithful to the one true diet because I don't think we know what it is yet.

Science makes new strides every day. Who knows what'll be next?

Hey, I had a lighbulb moment yesterday. By lunch time, I was growling stomach hungry but not weak and hypoglycemic feeling!

Blackberry Fields
05-19-2010, 07:37 AM
I use as much fat as tastes great. But I don't try to pack on fat just because (which a lot people do). Sometimes that means I, gasp, have low fat food (not modified to be low fat, just naturally low fat), and sometimes it means something outrageously fatty, and usually something in between.

I really try to rely on informed common sense and that sounds about right to me. I find lard and most visible meat fat disgusting and can't have it. I made Mexican ribs this weekend and spent half an hour trying to peel every little bit of fat off of it. I can't stand the taste. But I love fatty fish and butter and I can't go more than a day without my herring and sardines. And eggs. Liver is something I try to do in moderation but I love it in all its fatness and I had leftover lunch of braised liver after last night's braised liver (with mushrooms) dinner.

Ilene
05-19-2010, 10:03 AM
Amen to this ... I don't feel like I have to be faithful to the one true diet because I don't think we know what it is yet.

Science makes new strides every day. Who knows what'll be next?

Hey, I had a lighbulb moment yesterday. By lunch time, I was growling stomach hungry but not weak and hypoglycemic feeling!I agree, we're all an experiment of one... Like you Susan, I don't get that weak hypoglycemic feeling anymore either :carrot: ... I really like this plan and am adjusting to what I feel is right :D and still losing weight :goodscale:

jillybean720
05-19-2010, 11:54 AM
I eat a lot of fat. No, really - a LOT. It is not uncommon for me to consume more grams of fat in a day than protein. When I had my cholesterol checked at a free health fair at work last month, my total cholesterol was 108. Yup, 108. My HDL is low, but my ratio is well within normal/healthy range. I wholeheartedly believe that the trick is to limit carb intake. I've found some studies that show that fat, even saturated, is basically only bad when combined with carbs. I don't have time right this second to go through them, but these are actually studies/articles I dug up when researching low-carb diets in general, so they are not all specific to fat, but still mostly relevant.

[/URL]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031111064519.htm (http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/359/3/229)
[URL]http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/359/3/229
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/355/19/1991
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/297/9/969
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/22
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030522083022.htm

BibBob
05-19-2010, 12:05 PM
What a strange night for me. Around 10 I started obsessing about my need for a late night munchy. I ended up in a grocery store and nothing fit both my cravings and my diet. This was highly addictive behavior -- up and down the aisles, back and forth from one choice to another, a little stressed, maybe angry. Very reminiscent of the worst times kicking cigarettes. I ended up with a big bag of mixed nuts and large tub of plain yogurt. I did not find this satisfying and ate waaaay too many nuts. I gorged and got a headache. Maybe I was better of cheating with some ice cream or a bag of chips? :shrug:

Julie, I love your rambling post and find myself in agreement with most of it. You, Susan and Ilene, sitting on or very near your goals probably have a little more capacity to see the struggles philosophically. You have established control of body with mind. I'm looking at losing almost 50% of my body weight and have not established any control yet. You have the feeling your body will lead you to the right foods. Mine would lead me to deep dish pizza, pints of good beer, donuts for breakfast, and a myriad of chocolate based products. You trust your body and I'm severely disciplining mine so that someday I can trust it. Oddly, it is the same reason I discipline my child.

I love looking at the research the paleos use to make their case, and I love the training they've given me to analyze rather than accept conclusions. Yep, we just don't have solid answers and conclusions are regularly open for discussion. I'm motivated by many things but one is finding an eating lifestyle that will make me lean. Associated with that motivation are the success stories within that life style. Low carb feels like the answer for me. Early in this thread I was critical of caveman re-enactment thinking. It's too faddish and too open to flaws and debates. I have found something interesting about "caveman thinking" helping me though. I ask myself all the time if "this food" was available to Grok. There's several ways to get the same result. Is this natural, real food, modern, processed, whatever. But for some reason considering Grok is helping me. Now I'm rambling, but I do that all the time. :smug:

BibBob
05-19-2010, 01:00 PM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031111064519.htm
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/359/3/229
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/355/19/1991
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/297/9/969
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/22
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030522083022.htm

Wow. There is just a ton to read there if you follow the links to the right of the Science Daily articles. Thanks. There's even a couple recommending high carb breakfasts and nixing low carb diets as bound to fail. :)

CJZee
05-19-2010, 01:10 PM
This is a fabulous interview (podcast) with Dr. Stephan Guyenet of Whole Health Source blog which I follow religiously.

He is being interviewed by Chris Kresser of the Healthy Skeptic blog on the topic of obesity. It's rather long, but well worth the listen if you're the least bit techie.
http://thehealthyskeptic.org/ (http://thehealthyskeptic.org/podcast-episode-i-interview-with-stephan-guyenet-on-obesity-and-weight-loss)

I think Stephan is one of the most "real" of the bloggers and one I trust because he is a scientist specializing in body fat regulation, but he also is not "wed" to any particular protocol. He just goes where the science takes him and sometimes changes his mind based on new evidence. (While this seems logical, it is upsetting to me how ideological some scientists are once they pick their path, they feel they can't deviate from it even in light of new evidence.)

PS - Lost another pound down to 209 and am now officially on the Onderland Express!!!

BibBob
05-19-2010, 02:06 PM
thanks CJ -- You know I'm also a big fan of Stephan's. In the comments to a thread I cannot find he was asked specifically what he ate. There was almost no dairy (homemade yogurt was it), very little grains only prepared in old world ways, and well over 50% of his calories come from fats, mostly saturated fats. He, Peter at Hyperlipid, and Dr. Harris at PaNu, are all very lean (like 5'11" and 160 pounds) and all get a majority of their calories from fats. They all share the trait you admire too. They let the science lead them, not preconceived ideologies -- which I agree some of the other paleostars do.

Stephan likes Lard (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search/label/lard)

koceank29
05-19-2010, 02:33 PM
Lots of great information here, thanks everyone. These are just what I needed today, it has been a struggle this week trying to make good choices. I think the stress of our dog dying and the busy schedule we've had since this is my sons last week of school has just gotten the best of me. I have been mostly primal with a few exceptions of a handful of crackers and a slice of pizza. I think I need to tattoo my fingers or put a string on my finger reminding me that everytime I eat crap I will feel like my insides are fighting a war. Tomorrow I'm going to go back to counting calories and carbs so I can see where I may be slipping up so I can get my weightloss to continue. I really want to be a few inches smaller before my vacation in June and definitely 1 size smaller by our big vacation in July. I did take my kids to the pool yesterday for the first time this season and I will not do that again until I buy a new swim suit, the ones I had are huge and not flattering! So that was exciting, I really tried to make the old 1 work but I was tugging it up the whole time we were there.:)

Jill- awesome job! I sometimes tell my friends now I eat a lot of fat, when they compliment me, I love to see their faces!

CJZee
05-19-2010, 04:26 PM
There haven't been any good long term studies on fish oil, so he can't recommend just replacing the use of statins with fish oil, but you might try fish oil, niacin (start with a low dose and take it at night - flushing is a side effect) and soluble fiber, before you embark on statin therapy. Exercise is also huge.

Thank you for all the info, Kathy! I do take fish oil every day and I do exercise. I have thought about taking niacin and, in fact, purchased some of the time-released niacin in an effort to avoid the flushing.

But then I read somewhere (arghghgh, can't remember where) that niacin has some serious problems associated with it (not the skin flushing, but some kind of medical problem) and that scared me.

My dr. did tell me that there was an "alternative" medical group at the local hospital that treated issues like cholesterol ... and maybe I would want to talk to them. They are apparently more holistic in their approach, I'm just not sure my insurance will cover it. I'm going to check it out, though. Why I need an entirely different group of people to help me with this common problem is beyond me, however. The doctor must know that there are other ways to treat cholesterol other than statins.

CJZee
05-19-2010, 04:28 PM
When I had my cholesterol checked at a free health fair at work last month, my total cholesterol was 108. Yup, 108. My HDL is low, but my ratio is well within normal/healthy range.

108! Wow! I didn't even know it could GET that low!

katerina11
05-19-2010, 04:42 PM
Thank you for all the info, Kathy! I do take fish oil every day and I do exercise. I have thought about taking niacin and, in fact, purchased some of the time-released niacin in an effort to avoid the flushing.

But then I read somewhere (arghghgh, can't remember where) that niacin has some serious problems associated with it (not the skin flushing, but some kind of medical problem) and that scared me.

My dr. did tell me that there was an "alternative" medical group at the local hospital that treated issues like cholesterol ... and maybe I would want to talk to them. They are apparently more holistic in their approach, I'm just not sure my insurance will cover it. I'm going to check it out, though. Why I need an entirely different group of people to help me with this common problem is beyond me, however. The doctor must know that there are other ways to treat cholesterol other than statins.

Yeah, I don't know why your doc won't help you with that, but at least he told you about this group! I bet with a referral you can get insurance to at least pay in part. I think it's a great idea.

You guys are all so great! I loved coming here today and reading all of the contributions made. BibBob, you are like my sugar addiction twin, I think. I have done the exact same thing, frequently in my life. Haunting the grocery store, padding up and down the isles fretting and desperate for something to stop that nervousness. It feels like something is *wrong* and ice cream (my drug of choice) will definitely make it better. And it really does soothe that anxious feeling - for a while. The positive feedback loop created there, makes it so so hard to stop that habit. When the anxiety comes, sugary foods dance through my head. Ice cream, Donuts and Cake, Oh, My!

I haven't lost weight in at least a week. I am not giving up. I'll give myself a couple more weeks for maybe by body needs to adjust after the shock of losing ten pounds. I also feel flu'ish. I thought the low carb flu feeling was to happen more early on?


jilly thanks for the links and CJ thanks for the podcast!


koceank29 - I can't wait for people to start complimenting me on my weight loss because your post made me laugh and I want to see the looks on their faces, too when I tell them how much fat I'm consuming!

JulieJ08
05-19-2010, 10:39 PM
Hey, I had a lighbulb moment yesterday. By lunch time, I was growling stomach hungry but not weak and hypoglycemic feeling!

I was somewhat surprised to find that hunger could be a not entirely pleasant, and even friendly, daily feeling. The usual advice is to never let yourself get hungry, and I'm sure that's what some people need. I just feel better if I get hungry between meals.

JulieJ08
05-19-2010, 10:44 PM
Julie, I love your rambling post and find myself in agreement with most of it. You, Susan and Ilene, sitting on or very near your goals probably have a little more capacity to see the struggles philosophically. You have established control of body with mind. I'm looking at losing almost 50% of my body weight and have not established any control yet. You have the feeling your body will lead you to the right foods. Mine would lead me to deep dish pizza, pints of good beer, donuts for breakfast, and a myriad of chocolate based products. You trust your body and I'm severely disciplining mine so that someday I can trust it. Oddly, it is the same reason I discipline my child.



Thanks, I think you're right the outlook can be different in maintenance, sometimes not. I don't mean that I don't still have some problems with unhealthy eating. Sometimes I don't listen to what my body wants, and instead listen to what my mind or feelings want. But my body will usually give me decent feedback if I listen. And if I don't choose to eat something I'll regret anyway. :dizzy:

I definitely think time (as in a long time eating relatively healthily) makes a big difference. I think your body needs a certain level of nutrition in order to be able to tell you anything but "I wanna double double everything at the nearest fast food place, then please take me to the bakery."

kaplods
05-19-2010, 11:46 PM
Had a great primal dinner out (was quite surprised).

Hubby and I went to Applebee's, and I had the oriental chicken salad, one of the 550 calorie items on menu.

Awesome salad, but I suspect the calorie count is off. I suspect that what I ate of the salad was under 550 calories and what I took home was between 150 and 200 calories.

I think the calorie count would have been about right, if their had been about half the amount of slivered almonds. There were a lot of nuts in the salad.

Huge mound of lettuce, mostly romaine. A fairly large grilled chicken breast, sliced. Slivers of cabbage and carrot, diced red onion. Diced red bell pepper (jarred, I believe - blanced at the least as they were tender rather than crisp). Lots of snap peas. Slivered almonds and a dressing with a strong note of worcestershire. Hubby says canola oil and rice wine vinegar as well, and Splenda or Equal (he can duplicate restaurant dishes really well, so I trust his judgement).

katerina11
05-20-2010, 12:38 AM
koceank29 I came back because I didn't comment and I wanted to. I am so sorry you hear you lost your dog. :hug: I know how much that can really hurt, and sometimes other people don't take it seriously enough. I am still not over my last dog, and that was two years ago. I hope the stress for you eases up soon.

BibBob
05-20-2010, 12:45 AM
Good stuff. When I lost 50 pounds two years ago, I developed a saying that helped me.

"Hunger is good. Good things are happening now."

I seem to have forgotten about that the past few days and I let hunger be bad and controlling.

I've decided to get rid of nuts for now. I don't like them raw and they seem to mostly be roasted in seed oils I should be eliminating. I'm going to snack on veggies. Blanched green beans, sliced cukes, celery, anything a little crunchy accept carrots. I will feed them to the addiction. I added some stevia and cinnamon to some of the yogurt I bought last night and it really settled my nerves. Oy. I thought I could defeat the sweet tooth cold turkey, not by tricking it.

srmb60
05-20-2010, 06:20 AM
My problem with hunger has always been that I knew I had to get my blood sugar back up. Now, that I have actual growling stomach hunger, I'm finding it easier to just eat something so that it stops. One hard boiled egg or a slice of bacon is enough.

I can't speak for all of us ... but some day I'm going to have to admit that it took me over 7 years to lose 40 lbs for good. Practice, practice, practice Bob! It was 7 years until I figured out the real hunger thing. And without a doubt that's because of primal eating.

You're all right about hunger not being a bad thing. It doesn't hurt and feels a lot more natural than a bottoming blood sugar.

Ilene
05-20-2010, 09:54 AM
I can't speak for all of us ... but some day I'm going to have to admit that it took me over 7 years to lose 40 lbs for good. Practice, practice, practice Bob! It was 7 years until I figured out the real hunger thing. And without a doubt that's because of primal eating.

Well you can speak for moi!! Bob, Susan is spot on... Practice, plan, try again... I'm 53 and have been perfecting my healthy lifestyle since I'm 17!!! LOOONG freakin' time, but I get better and better at it, and feel the best I have ever felt in my life... Don't give up :nono:


I love this thread :yes: ... and Primal eating...

koceank29
05-20-2010, 12:07 PM
I agree with you on hunger, it is a good thing...why should we always be satisfied and full, that seems unnatural to our systems. I actually like when I go to bed at night and feel like my stomach is empty, then I know when I wake up that my body will be ready for some fuel. It definitely does take practice, it is too easy to confuse actual hunger with brain "trickery." I probably talk to myself way more than I should!LOL! "Am I really hungry, are you tricking me brain, do I want food, am I thirsty?" I now know when I'm hungry and the feeling in the pit of my stomach, but my brain still tricks me sometimes!

wendyland
05-20-2010, 04:20 PM
Thank you for all the info, Kathy! I do take fish oil every day and I do exercise. I have thought about taking niacin and, in fact, purchased some of the time-released niacin in an effort to avoid the flushing.

But then I read somewhere (arghghgh, can't remember where) that niacin has some serious problems associated with it (not the skin flushing, but some kind of medical problem) and that scared me.

.

I have heard that the non flushing kind of niacin has issues with it because of the way that it time releases. I can't remember off the top of my head. I take the flushing type of nyacin. The flush doesn't really bother me that bad, but I make sure I don't take it right before I'm about to see people because I do get pretty red. The health benefits outweigh the side effect for me.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/niacin.php

wendyland
05-20-2010, 04:25 PM
You guys are all so great! I loved coming here today and reading all of the contributions made. BibBob, you are like my sugar addiction twin, I think. I have done the exact same thing, frequently in my life. Haunting the grocery store, padding up and down the isles fretting and desperate for something to stop that nervousness. It feels like something is *wrong* and ice cream (my drug of choice) will definitely make it better. And it really does soothe that anxious feeling - for a while. The positive feedback loop created there, makes it so so hard to stop that habit. When the anxiety comes, sugary foods dance through my head. Ice cream, Donuts and Cake, Oh, My!



I do this, too! I used to never buy ice cream, but I'm allowing in a little more often. I think it's a much better cheat than eating something that also contains grains. I'm also finding that a pretty small cup of ice cream is really satisfying me right now. I made my own the other day. I just took heavy whipping cream, frozen strawberries, and a little sugar. I thawed the berries, blended it and refroze in a shallow dish. My kids loved it and it was way less sugar than in regular ice cream.

katerina11
05-20-2010, 04:37 PM
I do this, too! I used to never buy ice cream, but I'm allowing in a little more often. I think it's a much better cheat than eating something that also contains grains. I'm also finding that a pretty small cup of ice cream is really satisfying me right now. I made my own the other day. I just took heavy whipping cream, frozen strawberries, and a little sugar. I thawed the berries, blended it and refroze in a shallow dish. My kids loved it and it was way less sugar than in regular ice cream.

I want to get to a point where I can do this someday. It's a good goal to learn to live moderately like that.

I am truly just too frightened of going back to my bad habits right now. This process really does remind me of quitting smoking. Someone the other day, who is in OA, was fretting over me eschewing all grains. She said I was setting myself up for failure. I tried to explain that it would be setting myself up for failure if I allowed any of that IN right now because I think of all grains as triggers, no matter how "healthy."

As for weight loss, I have been grumbling baout not seeing any results for a couple weeks and lo and behold!, I was 282 just a few minutes ago, so I guess my body decided it was ok to let go of some more cargo. I can't wait until I see 280, so I can update my current weight.

Tonight we are having split chicken breasts, with raw goat cheese stuffed inbetween the skin and breast, with thyme, rosemary, salt and pepper with tons of grilled asparagus. YUM! :carrot:

srmb60
05-20-2010, 05:59 PM
My farmer friend/ old neighbour was just here to discuss how we'd like our 1/4 grassfed cow cut up!!! Roasts, steaks, hamburger, liver! Yum!

I want to say something about Kathy's friend from OA but I'm having trouble putting it into words. By cutting carbs we don't crave carbs and then don't set ourselves up for failure by eliminating foods??? Or OA is about training your mind to control eating habits and primal is about training our bodies to use food differently??? It's all too common for dieters to think that after weight loss they'll be able to eat whatever they want. Current wisdom would have us believe that we just need to be good for a while and a candy bar is at the end of the rainbow??? Hang on, hang on ... you can have that candy bar in September??? Like the carrot in front of the horse???

Golly! Did any of that make sense?

koceank29
05-20-2010, 06:42 PM
Kathy...I am with you on the concept of not eating grains because of their trigger properties, as well as the auto-immune problems I have from them. It is so similar to smoking, when I quit smoking cold-turkey about 8 years ago I knew that if I picked 1 up I would fall right back into smoking. I know myself well enough that if I even eat oatmeal in the morning, I am setting myself up to eat comforting carbs all day long. It reverts back to learning when I'm hungry, with me refraining from grains I am allowing myself to re-learn when to eat, otherwise I would eat senselessly(my own word!).

I do believe though in the primal lifestyle and I never tell anyone I'm on a diet, I just tell them I eat the foods my system was meant to handle, and they usually get it and then if they are overweight themselves they make up some excuse why they could never give up cake/cookies/etc.

Susan- I agree that primal is teaching us how to fuel our bodies, most other "diets" teach you how to integrate so-called healthy options back into our lives and I think thats how most people end up gaining so much weight back on top of what they lose. They start re-incorporating things that have missed and then before long they are back to where they started. It is a good feeling now learning how to fuel myself.

katerina11
05-20-2010, 08:58 PM
My farmer friend/ old neighbour was just here to discuss how we'd like our 1/4 grassfed cow cut up!!! Roasts, steaks, hamburger, liver! Yum!

That's the way to live! I'll get there someday.

I want to say something about Kathy's friend from OA but I'm having trouble putting it into words. By cutting carbs we don't crave carbs and then don't set ourselves up for failure by eliminating foods??? Or OA is about training your mind to control eating habits and primal is about training our bodies to use food differently??? It's all too common for dieters to think that after weight loss they'll be able to eat whatever they want. Current wisdom would have us believe that we just need to be good for a while and a candy bar is at the end of the rainbow??? Hang on, hang on ... you can have that candy bar in September??? Like the carrot in front of the horse???

Golly! Did any of that make sense?


Although she abstains from certain foods in her program (donuts, cake and some others, I can't remember) she was worried because I was abstaining. She understands and believes she should never have another donut again, but can't understand me never having another grain again. She also mentioned that I might be excited to see rapid weight loss now, but that it will all come back when I stop eating this way. (thanks for the vote of confidence! :?::( )

I don't think she understands that I don't plan on going back. I MIGHT in the future have a cream/mixed berries/tiny bit of stevia concoction, but I won't go back to how I was living before. Gary Taubes' book changed my life.

My husband is joining me. His throat is healing well, and is all for it. He read Good Calories Bad Calories first and suggested it to me. Even my son is eating lots better, mainly because we aren't going out to eat, I'm not buying junk, and I'm not making carb heavy meals any longer. :)

katerina11
05-20-2010, 09:04 PM
I do believe though in the primal lifestyle and I never tell anyone I'm on a diet, I just tell them I eat the foods my system was meant to handle, and they usually get it and then if they are overweight themselves they make up some excuse why they could never give up cake/cookies/etc.


I like this approach! I think I'm going to use it from now on. The other nurse's at work think I'm insane for eating this way. Maybe if I approach it as a way to eat that m body does best with, they will bring it down a notch.

Susan- I agree that primal is teaching us how to fuel our bodies, most other "diets" teach you how to integrate so-called healthy options back into our lives and I think thats how most people end up gaining so much weight back on top of what they lose. They start re-incorporating things that have missed and then before long they are back to where they started. It is a good feeling now learning how to fuel myself.

I'll see how I feel two years from now, but that cream/berry/sugar (stevia) concoction sounds pretty darn good! I might feel very differently later on, but for now, I still have visions of sugarplums.

AdeleA
05-21-2010, 12:23 AM
Oooh first post (so fingers crossed I'm doing it right!)... :wave:

Will you Primal in May ladies be Primal in June too? And beyond?

I really like the sound of this approach and I've already established I don't do well with grains. Do you have room for one more in your group? :dizzy:

Adele :)

CJZee
05-21-2010, 07:38 AM
Oooh first post (so fingers crossed I'm doing it right!)... :wave:

Will you Primal in May ladies be Primal in June too? And beyond?

I really like the sound of this approach and I've already established I don't do well with grains. Do you have room for one more in your group? :dizzy:

Adele :)

Hi Adele and welcome:welcome3:welcome. I am a newbie to this thread myself and I love it, and everyone has been so kind and helpful. Plus, I like that you can talk science or food or what you did last night. It's great! And it's not just ladies on this thread ... we have BibBob who is definitely a guy!

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As for me, I am so stoked as I lost another 2 pounds overnight! You have to understand I'm a post-menopausal hypothyroid woman who has been slowly losing weight for over a year, so I know my weight-loss "rhythm" and it ain't 2 pounds overnight!

Having lost 6 pounds in the last 2 weeks is beyond belief!

I've been analyzing my diet to see if there is something different there. Yesterday I had 3 meals and a snack:
Meal 1 - small portion of pork roast, ounce of macadamia nuts

Meal 2 - large portion of pork roast mixed with (fermented) sauerkraut with no preservatives (I have been trying to mix in more probiotic food in my diet.)

Snack - large orange (since being on this journey, I have eaten very little fruit, but this whoosh started with me eating 5 small meals including an orange, so I thought maybe the pop in blood sugar is something I need?)

Meal 4 - Bag of spinach, steamed sprinkled with aged gorgonzola cheese (another product which uses bacterial cultures) plus 4 slices of bacon.

koceank29
05-21-2010, 09:53 AM
Welcome Adele! There's always room, I'm here for the long haul! Feel free to jump in and share.

srmb60
05-21-2010, 10:00 AM
Hi Adele! Yes, I'll be here in June. I very much like this primal thing ;)

Even though, each day, there must be ten posts here that talk about finding a way of eating that is sustainable or one you can follow for the rest of your slender life ... there are just so many people who wish/think that a "diet" is a temporary thing. It's very frustrating.
Many commercial diets have quick start or beginner blast but they have maintenance plans too. Why is there such a disconnect between having your body for the rest of your life and fueling that body for the rest of your life?

As a serial regainer, I guess I shouldn't throw stones :dizzy:


On a lighter note ... ya wanna know the one thing that calls to me in the grocery store? Cookie dough! I can't imagine the last time I had some but those pilsbury squishy tubes? I could eat a whole one. Wierd.

koceank29
05-21-2010, 10:35 AM
So I had said I would start counting calories and carbs again...well, I did but then I discovered it wasn't my eating that was lacking it is my concentration. I had been having little nibbles throughout the day that were obviously adding up and I was letting them go because as I have done in the past, I lose a bunch of weight and get excited and then allow myself a little extra. I do this sub-consciously almost like self-sabotage I think. So this time I've caught myself and relized I don't need to count stuff, I pretty much know at this point what I need and want to eat everyday fat,protein and veggie wise...I just need to make sure I keep myself mentally in check and don't lose focus on what I'm trying to achieve. So yesterday was great..

B:Eggs & sausage/espresso w/milk
D:Spicy jerk chicken legs and green beans.

Today I'm planning:
B:Eggs,bacon,espresso w/milk
S:macadamias
D:BAS with white balsalmic dressing(my fav.)

Have a great day everyone!

BibBob
05-21-2010, 12:31 PM
Hi Adele. I'll carve you a brand new club and the gals will stitch up some new animal skins for ya. You'll fit in here in no time at all. Welcome to the clan. I'll leave the initiation rituals to the wimmins.

For me this feels like a way of life I can embrace long term. That's what's been missing from other weight loss attempts. I don't plan to just be here next month, but next year too, and I expect our numbers to grow.

CJ - You are kicking butt. Great job! It's 12 more days before I weigh. I'm little nervous about it. I know I have an instant water loss. I'm sure the loss so far is between 15 and 20 pounds, but I feel like I've stalled or even started to climb back up a little.

Kara - I can only beat the nibbles by not having them available. I am a seefood dieter. If I can see it, I eat it. Nuts are the ultimate nibbler for me and I already failed to stay away.

Susan - I think the Pilsbury dough boy is the devil. When my bro was staying here, we'd pick up a roll, bake and eat the whole thing with a half gallon of milk watching late night tv. The smell would get my kid half sleepwalking down the hall mumbling, cookies cookies cookies. That's definitely evil. :devil:

BibBob
05-21-2010, 12:47 PM
Also, I'm going to push the intermittent fasting idea to new levels leading up to weigh day. I need an encouraging 'biggest loser' kind of number. I also have events on my calendar coming up that revolve around cook outs and family dinners and lots of food.

My carbs which were consistently under 50 grams daily to start this month have creeped up to 70 and 80 - still pretty good - but I may be one of those who needs to be very low to see the fat loss.

I had slow cooked brisket and carrots last night for dinner and 3 eggs and sausage with provolone cheese for my late night snack. And...

I am not planning on eating until tomorrow. I'm cooking rib eyes and shrimp skewers Saturday and that is currently my next planned meal. Don't worry, I'm bound to have a few handfuls of friggin' nuts along the way. But I am going to test myself and see if I can manage a 40+ hour fast. Certainly paleo man evolved to deal with food shortages in a healthy manner. I have plenty of fat stored to live off of today. Might as well put them to use.

srmb60
05-21-2010, 12:49 PM
I skipped the aisle with the dough in it ;) But in doing so, forgot to buy cheese and I need it for supper. I may have to be brave and go back :eek:

BerkshireGrl
05-21-2010, 04:23 PM
I just ordered the book off Amazon today :)

srmb60
05-21-2010, 05:06 PM
Hi BerkshireGrl and welcome! Have you started dabbling yet?

I ran back for my cheese and totally ignored the cookie dough! I'm attempting a meatza. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Ilene
05-21-2010, 05:09 PM
Hi Adele :wave: and :welcome: ... For sure I will be here in June too :D

Bob, I'm looking forward to hearing of your loss this month...

I had been having little nibbles throughout the day that were obviously adding up and I was letting them go because as I have done in the past, I lose a bunch of weight and get excited and then allow myself a little extra. I do this sub-consciously almost like self-sabotage I think.I do the same thing!!! Over and over and over :frypan: I'm also determined to lose this horrible habit...

Susan, I don`t bake anymore for the reason that I eat the batter of cookies, cake, whatever :rolleyes:

CJZ congrats on the weight loss :goodscale:

I don't tell anyone either that I am on a diet/lifestyle change EVER it just makes for too much explaining...

Today food wise I had :

1 : a blueberry whey shake with coconut oil
2 : brocoli and laughing cow cheese
3 : canned salmon w veggies
1pm : 5k easy jog, it was pretty warm, but nice
4 : cherry tomatoes
5 : dunno :dunno: yet...

katerina11
05-21-2010, 05:40 PM
Today's food:

3 eggs with 4 natural sausage links
strip steak with garlic butter sauteed mushrooms
roasted brussel sprouts (i would have never tried this if not for Ina Garten. so yummy.)

Ilene
05-21-2010, 06:19 PM
Today's food:

roasted brussel sprouts (i would have never tried this if not for Ina Garten. so yummy.)I have to try that Kathy, I am on a roasted veggie kick, broccoli, cauliflower, green beans all sooo good :hun:

For supper I had leftover steak on the bone, I love to chew the bones :lol3: like Grok probably did .....

koceank29
05-21-2010, 06:26 PM
Today's food:


roasted brussel sprouts (i would have never tried this if not for Ina Garten. so yummy.)

I love roasted anything! I think Ina may have been my reason for trying brussel sprouts, when I saw them roasted maybe 1 yr ago on her show(I think) I thought they looked so good that I'd have to re-visit brussel sprouts, glad I did!

My favorite is probably roasted asparagus with lemon zest and roasted garlic!

katerina11
05-21-2010, 07:10 PM
I have to try that Kathy, I am on a roasted veggie kick, broccoli, cauliflower, green beans all sooo good :hun:

For supper I had leftover steak on the bone, I love to chew the bones :lol3: like Grok probably did .....

Roasted veggies are the best! I am still not chewing bones... yet!

Here is her recipe. I would link it, but I can't link just yet. Simple and goooooood.

Ingredients

* 1 1/2 pounds Brussels sprouts
* 3 tablespoons good olive oil
* 3/4 teaspoon kosher salt
* 1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper

Directions

Preheat oven to 400 degrees F.

Cut off the brown ends of the Brussels sprouts and pull off any yellow outer leaves. Mix them in a bowl with the olive oil, salt and pepper. Pour them on a sheet pan and roast for 35 to 40 minutes, until crisp on the outside and tender on the inside. Shake the pan from time to time to brown the sprouts evenly. Sprinkle with more kosher salt ( I like these salty like French fries), and serve immediately.

BibBob
05-21-2010, 07:23 PM
Welcome aboard Berkshire Girl.

I have to agree on the roasted veggies. How did I cook for so many years and not roast broccoli and cauli? Also, I've found the key to my mashed cauliflower is getting the moisture out. Roast it at 325 for an hour and you have nice and dry cauli for mashing. The high temp is much better for straight eating, but my mashed cauli is really a hit with potato fans since doing it this way.

I'm fasting, so I need to stay away from these discussions! *drooling*

srmb60
05-21-2010, 08:43 PM
The meatza was fabulous! I just googled for basic instructions and then used mushrooms, olives and pepperoni. I will definitely make this often once we get our beef. I should probably plan on canning my own pizza sauce too.

BerkshireGrl
05-22-2010, 12:03 AM
Hi BerkshireGrl and welcome! Have you started dabbling yet?

Susan, not yet! :) I'm doing pretty much Atkins right now... but I am thinking about cutting back on the cheese. Oh cheese I love you, but you make me puffy! :dance: (that was the puffy cheese dance, ha!)

I tried to adhere to Medifast again, but I just can't deal with the powdered food stuffs anymore. I also don't want to do a lot of carbs, I've noticed my asthma gets much worse if I eat bread especially, and my joints hurt more. Overall body inflammation, I'm guessing... So I'm curious about this plan and how it differs from Atkins. I look forward to devouring the book! :D

Welcome aboard Berkshire Girl.

Thank you, BibBob! :wave:

CJZee
05-22-2010, 07:18 AM
I tried to adhere to Medifast again, but I just can't deal with the powdered food stuffs anymore. I also don't want to do a lot of carbs, I've noticed my asthma gets much worse if I eat bread especially, and my joints hurt more. Overall body inflammation, I'm guessing

Welcome BerkshireGrl! I'm a newbie to this thread too, although I have been eating this way for awhile, just didn't have a name for it.

I've never been much of a cook, so the switch to "real" foods has been an eye-opener for me! I have tried to cut out most processed foods including bars, powders, "packages" of stuff unless I read on the jar/can/package that they don't have any added weird ingredients. I'm not 100% on this, but I'm doing so much better than with the fake stuff. I think my body was starved for real food.

I used to live in the Berkshires myself 20 years ago ... it is indeed beautiful there.

Ilene
05-22-2010, 10:07 AM
Roasted veggies are the best! I am still not chewing bones... yet!

Here is her recipe. I would link it, but I can't link just yet. Simple and goooooood.

Ingredients

* 1 1/2 pounds Brussels sprouts
* 3 tablespoons good olive oil
* 3/4 teaspoon kosher salt
* 1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper

Directions

Preheat oven to 400 degrees F.

Cut off the brown ends of the Brussels sprouts and pull off any yellow outer leaves. Mix them in a bowl with the olive oil, salt and pepper. Pour them on a sheet pan and roast for 35 to 40 minutes, until crisp on the outside and tender on the inside. Shake the pan from time to time to brown the sprouts evenly. Sprinkle with more kosher salt ( I like these salty like French fries), and serve immediately.

That's the exact same ingredients I used for roasted veggies I do in the oven except I use sea salt... Is there a big difference between sea salt and kosher? I see a lot of recipe asking for kosher salt but have never bought it.
Kathy, have you ever tried it with frozen brussels sprouts? I buy the frozen when the fresh are not nice looking.

Food/carbs has been good. Last night my g/f came over and we had wine and almonds, I have no chips, crackers, or junk in the house, but no one complained ... The scale was slightly down this morning too :goodscale:

It's a dull day out this morning we wanted to open the pool today but not sure if that's going to happen it looks like rain, tomorrow's suppose to be nice though... So I guess I'll clean the cave :lol: off I go... Have a great day everyone :wave:

jillybean720
05-22-2010, 10:21 AM
Goodness, I've missed so much here! I had a crazy project this past week at work, and it ended up with me working in the office from 6am on Thursday straight through to 5:15am on Friday. I did not see my husband at all for more than 24 hours. It was insanely stressful, and I ended up eating a bunch of garbage! Could have been worse, but my account rep's wife brought us platters of cold cut sandwiches on croissants, turkey and cheese pinwheels (sliced wraps), chicken salad, fruit salad, pasta salad...and then we ordered dinner from a wings place. Oh, and of course there were also some cookies and brownie bites!

So the project is done (yay!), but now my food and sleep schedules are all out of whack. I did not go into the office Friday (well, after I left at 5:15am, anyway), but I only slept for a few hours in the morning and then got up and ran some errands and did some work from home. Then I crashed again on the couch after dinner and then still slept through the entire night in bed.

Starting this morning off with a protein shake (using unsweetened almond milk instead of my usual Hood Calorie Countdown since I'm out of the Hood right now), so hopefully today will be a bit more normal and better food-wise. My scale didn't seem too upset this morning, but I know it can take an extra day or two for a really bad food day to catch up on my scale, so we'll see.

srmb60
05-22-2010, 01:22 PM
We went to our first farmers market of the season this morning. I'm sorry I bought vegetables in the grocery yesterday. The prices were the same ... for local.

We found a source for holistic pork! And it's only about 6 or 7 miles from here. We bought two different kinds of sausage and pepperettes. It'd be nice to get a box of stuff from them when I see how much freezer space our beef is going to take up.

Have a nice afternoon everyone. I'm off to work for 3 pm.

wendyland
05-22-2010, 09:37 PM
Welcome aboard Berkshire Girl.

I have to agree on the roasted veggies. How did I cook for so many years and not roast broccoli and cauli? Also, I've found the key to my mashed cauliflower is getting the moisture out. Roast it at 325 for an hour and you have nice and dry cauli for mashing. The high temp is much better for straight eating, but my mashed cauli is really a hit with potato fans since doing it this way.

I'm fasting, so I need to stay away from these discussions! *drooling*

Great tip! I've tried cauliflower pizza crust, but not mashed yet. I'm going to have to go by the store tomorrow.

wendyland
05-22-2010, 09:39 PM
That's the exact same ingredients I used for roasted veggies I do in the oven except I use sea salt... Is there a big difference between sea salt and kosher?

I think that kosher salt is usually more coarse than regular table salt, but similar (not from the sea). Real sea salt is gray and moist. It has the most minerals in it and the best flavor (in my opinion).

katerina11
05-23-2010, 04:00 AM
I don't know what sort of sea salt you have, but kosher is generally pretty coarse (like PP has said) and it's a bit sweet as well. It a sweeter tasting salt than other salts. I heart kosher salt.

I can't imagine using regular salt on my food anymore. Of all things to be snobby about! :dizzy: