100 lb. Club - I ate one piece of cake - I might as well eat the rest if it (???!!!)




MissKoo
04-05-2010, 02:10 PM
I looked at that cake and then I said to myself, "Self, if you lost five dollars from your wallet would you take the rest of the money and throw it away?":dizzy:

What do y'all think - why do some of us think that way?


CHUNKEY_MUNKEY
04-05-2010, 02:17 PM
omg i LOVEEEEEEEE your display picture ...

ot .. sorry

Lyn2007
04-05-2010, 02:18 PM
I am like that too. If I ate one cookie I'd think "I already failed. I will go buy a pizza, some coke and candy bars and then start over tomorrow." You're right though, it is senseless.


susiemartin
04-05-2010, 02:19 PM
Really good analogy

eclipse
04-05-2010, 02:23 PM
Yeah, it's ridiculous. I don't know why we do it to ourselves. I have managed to somehow stay away from that mentality this time, and I think it's the number one reason I've managed to be successful THIS time, out of all the other times I've given up. Because the "start over tomorrow" mentality easily slips into "start over on Monday" and then "start over on the first of the month" and then "start over on January first."

time2lose
04-05-2010, 02:25 PM
I have definitely been there, done that and changing thinking that way has been a huge part of this journey. I like your analogy to money. There are a couple of other analogies that I have seen here that have helped me tremendously.

If you trip on a steep flight of stairs, and fall down a few of them, do you keep going even though it means walking a few of the stairs twice, or do you decide that climbing the stairs is impossible and throw yourself to the bottom.

OR

If you slip while you are climbing a mountain… do you throw yourself the rest of the way down? No you don’t. You regain your footing and keep climbing.

candy love
04-05-2010, 02:28 PM
I'm a big beleiver in if its worth it its worth doing now, if i mess up i tell myself right there and then that its ok and that i can fix it and i start again there and then. Don't get me wrong i mess up quite alot but when i relise it i dont just carry on its not worth giving up one day for what you've been working so hard for so long for :)

Big Sexy
04-05-2010, 02:41 PM
lol, you guys are so right. This has really been a problem for me A LOT. 'Starting over the next day' it's nice to be able to look at it differently. It's hard to think when your focused on eating your own weight in junk food cause you messed up :(

Beverlyjoy
04-05-2010, 02:42 PM
Such good analogies here! Ya know... it boils down to willingness to work through the "I might as well eat the rest" mentality. That's what we have to learn to do. I love these thoughts...I think they will be helpful. Thanks.

matt_H
04-05-2010, 02:48 PM
Love this post! You are so right :)

MutableParadox
04-05-2010, 02:48 PM
Thanks. I needed that today after the weekend I had. ^_^

Michelle98272
04-05-2010, 02:48 PM
I love the analogy about the stairs and the money!! Too true. I ate a bit more than I intended last night and indulged in dessert. It wasn't a binge but not 100% OP, the thought DID cross my mind to go whole hog after that. I could have gotten seconds or thirds of everything...but that old thinking is getting farther and farther away from today's reality for me.

I didn't let myself begin to feel guilty over the food. The guilt feelings are what always led to me then "throwing myself down the stairs"...It is what is is...I ate more ham than I needed and took a bigger scoop of the scalloped potatoes than I planned and the cake...??? Didn't have that budgeted in my calories for the day.

I think one of the biggest challenges in being on a "getting healthier" plan over the long term is the very hard work of reprogramming our brains...it's not just about restricting calories over the short term, it is truly about rewriting the road maps in our brain in regards to our relationship and emotions surrounding food, punishment, reward, etc.

Thanks for this post!!

WarMaiden
04-05-2010, 02:50 PM
I never felt any guilt about eating one piece. So I never rationalized to myself, "May as well just eat the rest." Instead, I ate the rest because I just wanted to :dizzy:

Sandi
04-05-2010, 02:50 PM
This has been my number 1 downfall throughout this journey. This crazy all or nothing mentality. I know better, but once I make a bad choice, it's like a mental switch happens in my brain and it's a free for all. No matter how much I know better, it's a mental thing. So I have come up with a mental solution to my mental problem. :dizzy:

I am a calorie counter, so for the last 2 weeks has been to simply count my calories EVERY day. Be accountable no matter what I put in my mouth. I don't want to be on plan or off plan, because that is what does me in. I don't care how slow the weight comes off, I just need it to go in a downward motion. So the plan is to simply count everything, no matter what. I have my limits, but if I go over them the rule is, weigh and measure and log it. This automatically helps because if I come home and want chips, I don't sit with the whole bad, I measure out 1 portion and be done with it. Today is the start of week 3 and I am still weighing and measuring and counting even after a less than perfect Easter dinner. Normally after eating not such a great dinner, it would be sooooo hard for me to be on plan today. But since I never went off plan, today is just the same. Weigh, measure and count. I am very hopeful that this will be a turning point for me.

ShakeyMae
04-05-2010, 02:54 PM
My brain thinks like that too. It's as if I'm addicted to the, "just give in and eat it ALL" feeling. I'll eat that one piece and then it's... just one more slice. Of course, after that, since I've "ruined" the day I consider it my duty to completely go off course and eat cake freely. :shrug:

I have never thought of any of those analogies. I mean, no I would NOT throw the rest of my money away or throw myself to the bottom of the stairs because of a slip up. Hmmmmm. This is good stuff to think on.

caryesings
04-05-2010, 04:56 PM
What really helped me with this is tracking my AVERAGE calorie deficit over time. I knew when I messed up that I could get my average back in line by working a bit harder for next 5-10 days BUT only if I didn't let a mess up lead to a free-for-all.

MissKoo
04-05-2010, 06:16 PM
What really helped me with this is tracking my AVERAGE calorie deficit over time. I knew when I messed up that I could get my average back in line by working a bit harder for next 5-10 days BUT only if I didn't let a mess up lead to a free-for-all.

That is a really great idea:D. The thought of averaging either caloric intake or weight loss over time reinforces the fact that (for most of us) we're involved in a life-changing process not a one-time quick fix and BOOM skinny/healthy!

Back when I did WW I had to weigh in every Wedsnesday. I hated that - I could easily gain 4 pounds of water for TOM. I figured out my weekly weight loss average for a two-month rolling period. I mean, yeah, I felt bad about a three pound gain for a certain week but my spreadsheet was showing an average 2.3 pound weekly loss over two months. The bigger picture is the one to keep my eyes on here.

I really enjoyed everyone's posts so much. I need to put up sticky notes throughout my kitchen " DON'T THROW YOURSELF DOWN THE STAIRS!!":hun:

PeanutsMom704
04-05-2010, 06:16 PM
I used to be this way too and as soon as I "fell off" a diet, I kept right on going!! This time, I have banished the thought that I am "on" a diet, so I can't fall off! I have made a commitment to make healthy eating choices and every time I eat, I have the opportunity to make a good choice. I'm not perfect, so I haven't made a good choice every single time, but the great thing is that all I have to do is make a good choice the next time. Another revelation is that the next time doesn't have to be the next day or even the next meal - I can make a good choice with the very next bite! So yeah, even if I take a piece of cake or a cookie, I don't have to eat the whole thing - I can throw the rest away and stop that next bite that would not have been a good choice.

The interesting thing is that the on the fairly few times where I have gone off plan, I don't feel guilty any more. I acknowledge it as a choice and I let myself enjoy the indulgence and appreciate it, knowing that just because it's not my normal way of eating anymore doesn't mean that chocolate no longer tastes great! lol! So it's making it easier to keep my indulgences minor and for the most part, within my daily calorie limit or just slightly above.

And after 5 months and counting, I am really starting to feel like this is ok, and I can live the rest of my life like this. Not perfectly, not never-ever-off-plan, but more focused on the bigger picture that no matter what, I can make a good choice with that very next bite.

calluna
04-05-2010, 06:31 PM
I think for me, it is less about not being willing to pick myself up. I think it's more that once I eat that piece of cake, my craving switch goes on.

Then, when I need to pull myself back up and head back up the stairs, the stairs are twice as steep and gravity twice as strong a force. It doesn't make it impossible, but it is a **** of a lot more difficult than it was before I ate the cake.

paris81
04-05-2010, 08:10 PM
I appreciate the analogy, but I don't quite agree with it. It ignores that there is nothing good about losing $5, while eating a piece of cake is delicious. Plus the carbs spike the happy chemicals in your brain.

So maybe it's more like, when I spend $5 on something great (and so you get something from it), but that I can't afford, do I then just max out my credit card? I wonder if people think that. I'm refering to those with shopping problems, or gambling addictions. If they do think this, I think that it shows that this attitude can speak to a kind of addiction.

Either way, it is a ridiculous rational, and we need to stop! Only one piece of cake!

jessy 49
04-05-2010, 08:34 PM
My "not-so-scientific" theory is that once you have one bite of a high-sugar- high-fat food something happens in your brain that makes you CRAVE more! Sometimes even seeing the food will start up a chain reaction that ends up will almost overwhelming craving.

No, I don't know how to fix the problem. :-(

LitChick
04-05-2010, 09:04 PM
I like the money analogy! I've used the stairs one myself.

I don't really know WHY we do that, but I'm certainly among those that used to do that. Changing that way of thinking has been one of the keys to my success this time round. I try not to set anything off limits and tell myself if I want something, I can work it into my plan somehow. Whether I find it worth it or not, that is another matter. For example, this past weekend I went to a restaurant that has very good onion rings. I ordered some, ate them and enjoyed myself. I do not consider that going off plan since I factored it in. Do I eat onion rings every day? Of course not! By the same token, I have not yet found that eating a Big Mac would be worth the calorie intake, so even though I have in the past eaten more than my fair share of Big Macs, I haven't had one since at least last May.

This to me is how I make this a sustainable, for-life WOE, instead of a short-term diet.

That's a bit rambly and not sure I even answered any of your question!

MomtoThree
04-05-2010, 10:58 PM
I love the analogies. I struggle with the all of nothing mentatily. This time I am really focusing on just being accountable with my calorie tracking. Today and yesterday the calories were insanely high but I know the choices I made led to those numbers. I also know that I can make different choices and the numbers will go down along with my weight. I am learning not to feel guilty if I make the choice to eat a great dessert. I know I made the choice and I am working on moving on instead of going back for more.

astrophe
04-05-2010, 11:28 PM
For me it was insulin resistance that was not diagnosed and not knowing how to better plan to cope with the blood sugar up and downs.

It is very hard to say no to cake and other items when I feel bad/low blood sugar because

1) Sweets = sugar high = feel better from headache and cranky vibes

2) Sweets for me = chocolate stuff = seratonin rush AND sugar high

3) Sugar high = sugar crash = roller coaster effect

4) Clean Plate Club. Raised this way and very hard to "waste" food once served, but never learned proper portions to start with.

5) Food as Reward Club. Didn't have other methods of self nurture, and since part of my comforting as a child involved cookies and cakes... that's where I went.

Now that I know all this about myself and do know how to better manage the IR stuff, I find it strange how sometimes when I indulge in sweets like bday cake at a bday cake, I can just go "Boy, that's tastes TOO sweet. Ugh!" and just put it down and walk away.

It literally tastes different to me, and I don't think it is the recipe than changed.

After so many years I can understand why others can say "I can't eat that, it is too sweet for me" because now it happens to me too.

A.