General chatter - Hot Lunch ....YUMMY! Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution

03-28-2010, 11:41 PM
Anyone else watching Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution?

Angie and I watched it the other night, we missed the first one...sad story for our youth of America on the issue of HOT LUNCH!

I grew up in a time when, I believe, cafeteria food was reasonably healthy. I know the word we all here about hot lunch for our nations children is...budget ....or lack of...

Not so sure about that but I will say that my wife, son and daughter in law all teach in the public school system and they say the kids will almost ALWAYS skip the good and healthy choices and go right for the crap...

what are we gonna do folks?....

the world is care is changing like it or not...or so it seems...

we need to start caring for ourselves and children...

no one else will...

check out Jamie's's an eye opener!

03-28-2010, 11:49 PM
I watched it earlier this week, both episodes and was appalled. Not sure what anyone will actually DO about the problem. The parents should demand changes...but they are just as guilty as the schools, I'm sure. So many things they should teach their kids and the kids don't oearn at home and the schools are expected to basically parent the kids, not just teach them the academic stuff. My kids, now 26 and almost 30 knew how to use utenssils when they were still in high chairs. Including table knives to try and cut food even if it wasn't graceful. My son is now a chef and my daughter a vegan and both of them now love to cook, though my daughter was slow to make food from scratch.

I hope by Jamie illuminating this problem in the medai, something will click and even a few people will get educated. Many adults don't know what a lot of raw veggies look like. And one of our guests was telling us a story about a woman who was in his grocery store and said if people didn't have enough food and the farmers couldn't grow enough that we should build more grocery stores. Pitiful!


03-29-2010, 06:33 PM
My SO and I have watched both episodes. I'm really encouraged by what he is trying to do. I hope he succeeds! I don't have any children but the second episode had me in tears. I'm so worried about the future of the kids they showed!

I know that the statistics show Americans getting heavier and I definitely am seeing it in young people. I work on a college campus and just from observation there is a much, much larger percentage of young overweight people in my area than there was 15 years ago.

One of my relatives is a recently retired Family and Consumer Sciences Teacher (Home Economics, for those older) and she used to talk about the trends she saw in the years she taught. 30 years ago her classes were predominated by females that had a decent handle already on cooking. When she retired her classes were filled with a generally equal percentage of males and females (this aspect she loved) and both hardly any of them knew anything about cooking let alone cooking from scratch. It was evident to her that hardly anyone was cooking at home any more.

I have been more encouraged lately with the availability of healthier foods though. The concept of eating more healthy seems to be getting more popular as evidence by the availability of goods and lowering prices. But this doesn't really seem to be making an impact on the waistline of America!

I really do wonder where we are heading if we don't start making some dramatic changes as a whole.

03-29-2010, 09:41 PM
When the kids weren't able to identify a tomato or potato, my heart just broke. If I hadn't seen the show, I would not have believed that was even possible. An eggplant is somewhat unusual, but a tomato or a potato?

We are in a very sad state. Things really have to change--as a nation, we can't keep going like this. :(

03-30-2010, 03:52 PM
I'm tivo'ing it and haven't started watching- because I've been watching his brittish version first- Jaime Oliver's Ministry of Food. And it's amazing, just blows me away... I love him and apprecaite what he is trying to do.

Thinking back on school lunch - it wasn't all that great at least in elementary school. In junior high we got the choice of a salad bar which was nice and I usually picked- but I don't remember there being any healthy dressings available.

I just do not understand why things like nutrition, personal finance, etc aren't taught in school. These are not things that kids are learning at home- obviously! (that's a general statement, i know there are good parents out there that work on these things) I work with a lot of young kids that haven't got a clue about how to pay bills, how credit works, etc.

When I was young my mom was a teacher in a really bad part of town and a lot of her time she spent teaching 5 & 6 year old kids how to make safe foods for themselves- like peanut butter sandwiches, etc. how to clean themselves, etc because their parents were on meth or not home & they would come to school filthy and starving. This wasn't a part of the curriculum just something she decided was necessary. This is so sad to me.

03-30-2010, 10:28 PM has this article:

Apparently the kids in that town just aren't eating Jamie's recipes and they're abandoning the shepherd's pie and beans-and-sausage. (What! I like shepherd's pie and beans-n-sausage!) We really have to start getting our kids to realize that there's more food out there than just pizza, hamburgers, hot dogs, mac-n-cheese and chicken nuggets!

03-30-2010, 10:53 PM
Wow. This is painful to read... I haven't seen the show myself (going to YouTube that as soon as I'm done writing this), but sadly I'm not surprised that this is happening. I have lunch in a mall every day, and every day I see parents feeding their TODDLERS bits and pieces of french fries, onion rings, corn-dogs and KFC, and making them drink Pepsi! And nothing else! I'm not talking a bit of fried chicken with the rest of a child-appropriate meal, I'm talking full-on feeding them a mini-version of their double bigmac combos!! It's appalling!

I'm only 24, but when I was in jr/high school, we had great healthy cafeteria food! There was fast food on Fridays only, the rest of the week we'd be served things like Shepherds' Pie, lasagna, roast chicken, or stir-fry. We also a salad bar at my school, that was awesome. I also had MANDATORY 75-MINUTE P.E. CLASS EVERY WEEK. This was not optional. I had gym class from kindergarden all the way into college, I do not know school otherwise. I've heard it's now an optional class in school districts, and you don't even have to take it every year! This is BEYOND RIDICULOUS.
I was also taught nutrition (through home ec class), and had a mandatory finance class in my senior year.
These are all things that made me so much more self-sufficient, and so much more confident to go out in the world by myself! What are you going to do out there in the world, if you cant tell the difference between a tomato and a potato ???

Suzanne 3FC
03-31-2010, 03:21 AM
The first two episodes are on Hulu at

My first reaction was horror at the school system for their reaction to the very idea of serving vegetables and healthy foods. I just wanted to reach out and strangle them :eek: But they aren't the only ones doing something wrong here. Those kids prefer pizza and nuggets and snub vegetables for a reason. It's learned behavior and it starts at home, not just in the schools. Kids are not born with Happy Meals in their hands. I cringe every time I hear a parent say "all he'll eat is pizza and nuggets".

I started school in '68 and I remember the school lunches well. We did have pizza but it was once every two weeks. It was a 4 inch round thin cheese pizza, always served with applesauce and green beans. And we ate it all, down to the last green bean. My favorite meal was the homemade vegetable soup, served with a half of a chicken salad sandwich. I can still smell it. We had real lunch ladies that cooked almost everything from scratch. The USDA provided the recipes instead of shipping them frozen bits of brown things. We didn't have chocolate milk, either. The menu changed daily, and Mom would clip it from the Sunday paper so we would know if we wanted to buy or pack that day.

By the time I reached high school, the menu had begun to change. Burgers, fries, pizza. Cheap quality, and it really stunk. Coke machine outside the door. I didn't eat lunch once in high school.

I really, really hope this mini-series will cause our school systems and parents to wake up and do something about it.

03-31-2010, 09:27 AM
Schools today are all about the money. The local cafeteria here serves cheap, fast stuff they can prepare with a minimum of staff to pay, and it's stuff the kids WANT to buy, regardless of what's good for them. If they want to buy it, the money comes in and the cafeteria makes money rather than losing it. It's all about the numbers.

I was a picky kid. My mom worked two jobs and had time to throw a frozen pizza in the oven or boil some hot dogs before leaving for job #2. She also worked in the cafeteria at the school during the day, so we ate a lot of leftovers she brought home (We were a little broke - and she'd have been fired if they'd seen her take it to the car instead of the dumpster). Pizza day and chicken nugget day were by FAR my favorites.

My tastes revolved around junk for years, and if at any point at school someone had said "No more pizza!" and started serving me shepherd's pie and skim milk rather than chocolate - I'd have brought a lunch too.

I think there's a rebellion going on there - parents and kids.

03-31-2010, 12:29 PM
I'm not terribly surprised at how bad the food is (disgusted, not surprised) because my own experience of school food is pretty bad. I remember Mountain Dew and double cheeseburgers in second grade. Fries, awful pizzas, that kind of thing. And this was private school. We did spend about four years in a very small school that had good food but the lunches were a little pricey and like I said, it was a very SMALL school and I guess that's much more manageable.

What does surprise me is that parents know what their kids are eating and more of them don't opt out of the school food and send a lunch. If you're getting free or reduced lunch, I understand, but otherwise - it just does not take that long to put together a lunch. The idea of my child eating ANY kind of chicken nugget makes me want to hurl. The first time someone handed her a chicken nugget (without asking me) she was a little over a year old. She held it up and said, "Wassdis?" As soon as the person turned around, I confiscated the nugget and tossed it. It's not food! It's trash! It's actually trash that they've figured out how to fry and sell.

Maybe we've all just gotten immune and we've forgotten to be disgusted by eating things that aren't food. You can't wait for the school to "fix" what they're feeding your kid. Pack a lunch!

Ranting aside, I do like this show, I do like Jamie Oliver, I have gotten his cookbook and there are some really good looking and not at all intimidating things in it.

03-31-2010, 12:49 PM
My mom has worked in a school cafeteria and you wouldn't believe the stories...

She was telling me that they had an instance where they opened a large container of something and it was filled with worms. The head of the cafeteria staff wanted to pick out the worms and serve it.

Beyond that, recently I was in a school lunch room (high school? middle school? not sure) and they had signs about 'eating your veggies' and what not but then you looked at the menu and everything was hamburger, pizza, etc. Crazy.

Suzanne 3FC
03-31-2010, 01:08 PM
As soon as the person turned around, I confiscated the nugget and tossed it. It's not food! It's trash! It's actually trash that they've figured out how to fry and sell.

Maybe we've all just gotten immune and we've forgotten to be disgusted by eating things that aren't food.

I watched the second episode on Hulu last night and I'm still gagging. Jamie did a demo for the kids where he cut up a fresh chicken so the kids could see where the breast, wings, etc came from. Then he took the carcass and chopped it up with a meat cleaver, put it in a food processor with a bunch of chicken skin, then pressed the mixture through a sieve to remove any leftover hard bits. What was left was blended with stabilizers and flavorings, then formed into nuggets and fried. The kids were grossed out until it looked like chicken nuggets and they wanted to eat them.


Suzanne 3FC
03-31-2010, 01:14 PM
My mom has worked in a school cafeteria and you wouldn't believe the stories...

She was telling me that they had an instance where they opened a large container of something and it was filled with worms. The head of the cafeteria staff wanted to pick out the worms and serve it.

Sadly thats everywhere. When my son was a teenager, he worked at Chucky Cheese. He came home disgusted one night because they opened a tub of shredded cheese and it had maggots in it. The manager said to use it anyway.

03-31-2010, 01:32 PM
I like the premise of the show, I am just not a huge fan of how Jamie comes across.

One of the things is that he tried this same exact tactic in the UK schools. And the thing was that he was making food for kids that they 1) did not like and 2) were not affordable for the school.

I do think that there should be a happy medium---we should definitely cut out the processed food as much as possible, and give our children healthy, lower fat, lower sodium, higher protein and fiber foods.

I will watch the show of course. :dizzy:

03-31-2010, 01:58 PM
The kids may not have initially liked the food...tastes can be hard to change. But Jamie DID get documented results in England in the schools his program was used in...less sick days and better test scores in some groups.

I'd rather see efforts to get the kids to like the food (gardening on-site, for example, integrated with science and math lessons, as Alice Waters enacted in the Edible Schoolyard program), and even resource shifting away from programs in place to raise test scores that maybe don't work as well. Obviously resources are limited, and budgets do need to be taken into account, but I think spending the money on healthier food (which may reduce sick days and improve children's health in addition to improving test scores) may be a better use of those funds than other test-score focused initiatives. And if the buying power of a LOT of schools resulted in a large, guaranteed market for fresh foods (as that buying power does today for convenience/processed foods), the contract costs for those foods could be negotiated to lower levels. So I think the money issues can be solved.

Here is a quote on results from another edible schoolyard school:

A small alternative school in Appleton, Wisconsin changed their menu to emphasize fresh fruits and vegetables, whole-grain products, entrees free of chemicals and additives and energy drinks. The results were dramatic. For the next five years this school had no expulsions, no dropouts, no drugs on campus, no weapons, and no suicides. It was the only school in Appleton that had a perfect record. Although the food costs were higher, the school saved money because it no longer had to pay for a full-time police officer, and with better discipline, it was able to increase class size from eight to fifteen students. The entire Appleton school district in now phasing in a healthier lunch program for its fifteen thousand students.

Here is a summary from CA on results related to "environment-based learning", like edible schoolyards:

So while it's true the kids may not like the food AT FIRST, and budget issues might require some work to overcome, I do think both of those problems can be solved.

04-03-2010, 05:17 PM
I really like the show but...

I don't get why they just couldn't make healthier versions of what the kids already like? I used to be a person (before I had kids!) who was all, "if you just feed them healthy foods from birth they will eat that" --- HA!!

I was a mama who's babe never got rice cereal - she got avocado, and mashed (cooked from fresh) apples, sweet potato, pureed greens etc. Oh, wasn't I the proud mama? MY child wasn't fed junk so MY child wouldn't want the stuff YOUR unhealthy child liked LOL....

Well, now my daughter is nearly 5 and she won't eat a veggie unless it is hidden - which I do well :)

My point is, instead of Jamie removing the pizza and replacing it with like, roasted chicken with marinade, why couldn't he use a whole grain crust, tomato sauce full of pureed veggies, and all natural part-skim cheese pizza? Or instead of taking the fries away cold turkey, make some baked sweet potato fries with light dusting of olive oil and spices (no partially hydrogenated oils or additives etc). Or instead of mashed potatoes as a side, mashed cauliflower seasoned like mashed potatoes? It certainly couldn't be more expensive than what he is doing already with the foods even 'healthy' 5 year olds probably wouldn't devour.

Instead of partially hydrogenated sugar-filled peanut butter and high fructose corn syrup PB&J, he could have all natural PB no sugar added and all fruit jam on whole grain bread...

My point is, you can serve "kid" foods that are healthy, it is not mutually exclusive. Even our mac&cheese around here has pureed squash, pureed cauliflower, natural cheese, and whole grain elbows.

(FWIW, dd is very healthy and not a bit overweight)

I think the kids would make the transition a heck of a lot easier. Even though my daughter eats traditional 'kid' fare, she at least is developing a taste for real, whole foods and veggies (even if they are mostly hidden)... free of artificial flavors, colors etc.

But overall, I do like him and what he is trying to accomplish. I didn't mean this as a long criticism lol I just meant that it doesn't necessarily have to be an either/or situation.

04-04-2010, 10:26 AM
?y point is, instead of Jamie removing the pizza and replacing it with like, roasted chicken with marinade, why couldn't he use a whole grain crust, tomato sauce full of pureed veggies, and all natural part-skim cheese pizza? Or instead of taking the fries away cold turkey, make some baked sweet potato fries with light dusting of olive oil and spices (no partially hydrogenated oils or additives etc).

Because, I think, that they don't make the pizza - it comes frozen in a box, so it is a lot less labour-intensive than making a pizza from scratch.

I watched the show a week ago - the first 2 hr episode - and I plan on watching in the future. In the past, I watched the "food revolution" in the British schools but not all episodes so I was not sure how it ended. I am glad Amanda posted the links.
In a way, it does not surprise me at all that the kids prefer to eat the crap. We all know that sugar-fat-salt combo makes the food very addictive (by the way I recommend reading "The End of Overeating") and as a kid I probably was not all gung-ho on eating steamed veggies either. I am lucky because our school cafeteria served lunches made from scratch EVERY DAY - but that's because I grew up in Eastern Europe and there was no fast food industry and I had no idea what a pizza was until I was a teenager).

Like Mindi said, it's all about the numbers although I would have expected (hoped) that the authorities would be interested in serving the kids a healthier diet (but then again, they make think themselves the current menu is just fine - they most likely live on it themselves).
I was shocked when Jamie went to visit the one family - the mom was quite overweight and in need of losing some weight - but what shocked me most was how HUGE the kids were. They were obese in a very young age and unless the mom changes the way she cooks they are facing bleak prospects in the future. One of them was on the verge of diabetes.

I hope Jamie succeeds. I did not like him a whole lot (when he became a celebrity) but over the years I warmed up to him. I know he means well but it's a David versus Goliath type of a battle.

04-04-2010, 01:10 PM
I didn't mean 'they' as in, the food ladies, I meant Jamie. Certainly homemade pizza that is healthy (whole grain thin crust, natural cheese, pureed veggies in real tomato sauce) can't be more labor intensive than roast marinated chicken and hand-shredded cole slaw?

I hope he succeeds too, I like him a lot and what he's trying to do. All I was asserting was that it isn't a mutually exclusive thing - as in, you *can* have (things like) pizza and it *can* be healthy.

04-04-2010, 02:42 PM
This is the first and only reality show this season, that I've been interested in seeing. I've enjoyed the first three episodes. I do think that some of the emotional reactions are staged, because I find it hard to believe that the lunch ladies weren't coached to be so resistant. From what I've read, it's standard practice for reality shows "behind the scenes" to say or do things for dramatic effect. The one cafeteria worker (who is always scowling) and the radio show host don't ring true to me, because their attitudes are so mystifyingly extreme. I strongly suspect they're "acting," either for screen time or because they've been asked (and possibly paid) too.

The motive of the radio show guy is obviously his own ratings, though I wouldn't be surprised if he's cooperating with Jamie's Staff behind the scene. It sets him up as a great "villain" for Jamie.

Even the scene of the kid having to go to football practice (the only kid who was described as already being "a good cook") for part of the dinner prep. This kid is shown to be uber-responsible and very committed to changing the schools, and seemed to be one of the natural leaders, and we're supposed to believe that he didn't tell anyone that he would have to leave for a short time. I wasn't buying it.

I also think half of the stuff HAS to be set up. Jamie's crew has access to the governmental guidelines for schools (because all of us do - just a few mouseclicks away), so they knew that the pasta stir-fry did not have enough vegetables, especially since they've been criticised in previous episodes for not meeting the vegetable guideline in previous episodes.

Actually for the high school, the requirement for 1 1/2 cups of fruits and vegetables would be a great guideline - if french fried didn't count as a vegetable. And it's sad that the vegetable has to be offered, but the children don't have to take it (like the "optional" salads).

I suppose the show has to be run this way. If the school staff, the kids, the parents, and the community were 100% cooperative, it wouldn't be a reality show, it would be a documentary. Reality shows are popular, documentaries not so much, because conflict makes good television.

Still, I do feel that Jamie's motives are genuine. It does seem to be a personal passion of his, and you've got to admire that (well you don't have to, but I do).

04-05-2010, 12:54 PM
The promo for the next ep shows Jamie taking a local radio guy who's skeptical of his program, to a funeral home and showing him a bariatric casket ...

04-05-2010, 06:12 PM
Here's the perspective of an actual American expert / school lunch revolutionizer on the show:

In short, she thinks it's "spot on," to put it Britishly.

04-05-2010, 08:17 PM
Thanks for the link WARMAIDEN

I know much of it is "staged"...pretty obvious...just like all reality TV...we know a couple of reality tv "actors"...

but I know, skipping past the "drama" we all can see WE need to STOP THE BLEEDING!

At the middle school where my wife teaches and the high school where my son and daughter in law teach the food is provided by a company....

when I was a child...a long time ago....the ladies in the cafeteria cooked the food....

my mom ran the cash register when I was in 4-6th grade...she would bring home leftover food that would go to the trash if not taken (1964-66) was always good, or at least I remember it being so...but then I was 10-12...

Suzanne 3FC
04-06-2010, 01:58 PM
I still need to go to Hulu and watch the third episode. TV schedules rarely match my own, lol.

Gary, I remember the lunch ladies and the food really was good. I swear I can still smell it! I even posted on a local forum to see if there were any surviving lunch ladies (sadly unlikely) that could share the recipes.

I noticed that Amazon has quite a few books written in recent years about the politics behind school lunches and the travesty it has caused.

04-06-2010, 09:51 PM
What a great idea SUZANNE...I hope you get a reply back.

I have been very fortunate with the school I mentioned I grew up in a time when the food was good! I'm not saying it was the healthiest on planet Earth...but good....if it wasn't when I was in jr. high and high school I would have brought my own.

I was blessed to be able (with many personal sacrifices) to send my children to our church school from pre-school through 8th the time my kids went there was hot lunch 3 days a week...on the other days we sent a the time my step-d finished there was hot lunch 5 days a week...raising my nephew and sending him there, for 2 years after I became his guardian, I gave him the choices of hot lunch ~ make your own and I'll but whatever you want or eat at home when you get home...I remember him telling me..."Uncle Gary hot lunch is soooo good!"

It was and always has been sooo good...but that is because our cooks are all volunteers! Donating their time to do something for the children at our church school.

All of my kids went to public high school....they always ate at home and never in the cafeteria because they all had athletic P.E. which allowed them to come home after classes then go back for games and practices....since they all played year round I don't believe they ever ate at high school.

Now if we can only find a way to turn the public system around.

Anne Elk
04-07-2010, 04:08 PM
I saw the first show a few Fridays ago. The kids didn't know the difference between a potato and a tomato? What the **** is wrong with their parents? It's easy to just blame the school but . . . . why have parents handed over their children's nutrition to a school? Did you see the crap they feed the kids? And kids will always go for the crap vs. the good stuff . . . they're kids. Then again a lot of families probably eat fast food waay too much.

My kids think cafeteria food is gross. I always pack their lunches, make dinner nearly every night, bake from scratch. Yeah I know people are busy but too busy to feed your family right? Since when did that get shoved to the bottom of the pile?

04-10-2010, 08:12 PM
I am utterly horrified. I've only watched the first two episodes but I'm practically in tears!

I feel so lucky to live where I live. Aidan's school lunch menu includes things like lemon flavored chicken with snap peas, carrots, and rice. We all make our fare share of bad eating choices but the family featured made me want to cry!!! My 5 year old was watching with me and when he saw them dump all that food on the table he said "Some of that is yummy but not that much!" If my 5 year old can have some self regulation why can't these adults?! If he can understand that eating nothing but deep fried brown food is horrible for you, why can't they get on board?

So so so gross.

ETA: I can't help but think. I never ate like this even when I was extremely overweight. I just ate TOO MUCH of the good stuff I was eating. I can't imagine what I would look like if I used the deep fryer 3 times a day...ack

04-10-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm another who is just loving this show. (Staged or not.)

One thing that really is bugging me is the federal regulations that the schools have to go by. For instance, they need X amount of veggies - but for budget reasons, french fries and ketchup count as veggies. HUH?!?! That's just not cool.

04-10-2010, 09:03 PM
I totally agree on the french fry thing! Brown rice isn't good enough for bread so we have to add enriched bleached buns?! WTH?!!!

Where my son goes to school any bread served is whole grain and there are no french fries served. It can't be that much more expensive to forgo to the fries and do brown rice and veggies. My son likes it just fine and so do his friends. French fries are starch+fat when I serve potatoes with dinner I serve them instead of a grain, not with one + the veggie. I hope this spurs some change in the school lunch system, it needs an overhaul!

04-10-2010, 09:21 PM
In my home state (Queensland, Australia) the traffic-light system was introduced into school canteens a couple of years ago.

Basically your sandwiches, fruit, juice, milk are green foods. Things like sweetened fruit juice are amber, and soft drinks, chocolates, fried food etc. are red.

The kids are allowed unlimited green foods (this is for schools from prep to senior high). They can have one amber food per day. Red foods have been removed totally, and there is a red food day once per term, usually on the last day, where they do pizza, chips, soft drinks etc. Interesting thing is that the proportion of vege pizzas is now much higher than it used to be, so obviously some education of minds is happening.

Don't make it optional! If that's all there is to eat, they'll eat it. I can't watch the show (the clip isn't available here) but I get the gist. And I applaud what he's trying to do.

04-10-2010, 10:56 PM
Don't make it optional! If that's all there is to eat, they'll eat it. I can't watch the show (the clip isn't available here) but I get the gist. And I applaud what he's trying to do.

I couldn't agree more! If healthy options are the only ones available, they'll eat them. It may take a while for the kids to get used to it, but they will eventually.

If you can't watch it through hulu, have you tried it at abc?

04-10-2010, 11:02 PM
I've been watching the show on hulu as well. I am enjoying it a great deal. I'm not a reality show fan, or a tv fan in general, but he is really trying to do some good, and it's great to see.

04-10-2010, 11:29 PM
If you can't watch it through hulu, have you tried it at abc?

Yay, that works! Thanks. There are quite a few streaming sites for which I get the "this content is not available outside the US" message. I get a bit excited when I find one I can actually access.

ETA: Bastages! Apparently I can only get the 5 minute shorts. "You appear to be outside the United States or its territories. Due to international rights agreements, we only offer this video to viewers located within the United States and its territories".

It's not broadcast here, not even on cable (most tv here is free). So it's not like showing it would impede the ability of the broadcasters to make money. FFS.

04-10-2010, 11:32 PM
I LOVE the Red Light/Yellow Light/Green Light concept. It teaches that no food is "never", but some have to be eaten in more moderation...sometimes, for really unhealthy choices, that means on special occasions only...sometimes that's once or twice a day. Plus you get all you want of the healthy stuff!

What a brilliant, brilliant concept.

04-10-2010, 11:36 PM
Yes, I thought it was pretty clever too. And something that's basic enough for 5 year olds, but that 17 year olds will get as well.

04-10-2010, 11:44 PM
Damn! It's too bad they do that! :( If you really want to see it, you could try to use a U.S. proxy server/service.

04-11-2010, 09:51 PM
I wish Jamie had thought to mention that the veggies in the noodle dish were probably the right volume before being cooked. Not fair for most veggies to compete w/ dense starchy potato slices that don't shrink much after cooking.

04-11-2010, 10:46 PM
He's been told about the regulations before, so I think the pasta dish was intentionally made so that it wouldn't meet the guidelines so he can show how nonsensical the guidelines are. 1 1/2 cups of french fries counts, but 3/4 of a cup of mixed vegetables don't.

Also, I would bet the guidelines are written in a way that precooked volume has no standing. I worked with the "guidelines" indirectly when I worked in a juvenile detention home. The jail made the food, and we went and got it.

We made the kids take everything so that all the meals were reimburseable (but they didn't have to eat any of it, they just had to take the tray). From watching Jamie's show, I see that it's changed to the food just has to be "available" the kids don't even have to take it (like the "optional" salad).

That really makes crazy sense. The kids eat 3/4 of a cup of veggies and it doesn't count, and yet if the veggies are "offered" but so unpalatable that they're not taken at all THAT does counts.

I remember when the jail sent over liver (I like liver and this stuff looked like shoe leather). We made all the kids take the trays, wheeled out a garbage can let them throw it ALL away and made peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches for everyone. All those meals "counted" for reimbursement, even though only one kid ate any (on a dare more than anything).

04-12-2010, 03:44 PM
I finally got caught up on the web and started watching the show on TV. I am so glad you all (and others) posted about it. I really enjoy the show and appreciate what he is trying to accomplish.

I've been trying to slowly adjust the way my two teenage sons eat when they are at my home. I'm trying to get the idea of portions down for them and the importance of fresh fruits/veg, fiber, sodium content, etc. Trying to do it gently so they won't be too resistant.

04-14-2010, 04:18 PM
I'm so relieved to read that everyone is positive about the content and principals of the show. I think Jamie's heart is really in this - and anything he can do to bring awareness is a great thing. We have to bridge the healthy gap with future generations and get them off this fat-sugar-salt addiction road.