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EZMONEY
12-01-2009, 10:38 PM
I read in our local paper this morning that 37% of students in 5th ~ 7th ~ 9th Grades in our area are passing the state physical fitness tests. To pass a 13 yr old boy needs to do 21 sit-ups, 12 push-ups and run a mile in 10 minutes, among other things. For girls and younger students the goals are lower. Our area is higher than the norm...33% is the norm for the state.

Does that make anyone else :(

I can remember when I was in 9th grade...we almost always got close to 60 sit-ups in a minute....Over 30 push-ups in a minute....maybe not ALL perfect... and it was no problem to run a mile under 10 minutes...

I am a father that had an athletic son....basketball, cross-country and track all 4 years of high school ~ 8 Varsity Letters...4 years college track

I am the father of a NON-athletic daughter ....4 years tennis, 2 years track...4 Varsity Letters...college tennis 4 years...Academic All-American 3 years

Today my son is 28, a high school teacher and coach of his high school's boy's track team...a school of almost 4,000 students. He is a part time gym rat....every bone in his body is athletic.

Today my daughter is 26, a scientist working with our NAVY...she runs and trains for marathons. She plays tennis, competitive almost every week. She also volunteers her time with a group called Girls On The Run where she runs and coaches young girls, and walks an alzheimer's patient 2 days a week...not a single bone in her body is athletic!

I played with my son...he was born an athlete....not a super star...sometimes a star...solid. From the time he was young until I couldn't throw anymore we played catch.

My daughter watched us...and played with her dolls...we would drop the game for a bit and go "tea party"....until one day she said..."I want to try that"...the THAT was tennis...

From that day forward I encouraged (through words and actions) my daughter, who had zero athletic bones in her body. From that encouragement she took it to a level that I could not have imagined possible. She runs marathons, she has competed and won Nationals at the college level in tennis. This is a girl, at age 10, could not throw a tennis ball up for the serve...let alone hit it.

I enjoyed the time working with my daughter and her tennis... I am not saying it wasn't frustrating at times...girls are not boys! ;)

What I am saying is THIS....

If it wasn't for my encouragement and work with her...her coaches and her own desire...she would not be running marathons today and playing tennis in a competitive league ....

She had a good PE coach in middle school....encouragement came from someone other than her daddy...

I believe in PE in school....I also believe it should have a pass or fail grade....same as music and art....I believe they are God given talents...

But I also believe that we can push ourselves and our children to the maximum of their potential...in a good and loving way...

I believe in PE in school...and I also believe less than 40% of our children failing to make minimum requirements is unacceptable!

What do you think?


Aclai4067
12-01-2009, 11:21 PM
I believe in PE in schools. I also believe that last week of the class shouldn't be the first time students see those requirments. When I was in PE we played sports that required running. But, well, if you're slow you just get left behind and don't have to run as much because you can't keep up anyways. We never trained for that 12 min mile or whatever the girl requirment was; it was just assigned to us one day.

mandalinn82
12-02-2009, 12:07 AM
I do think that PE in schools is important, but I think that PE programs could do more to encourage people who aren't so great at the "standard" gym activities. Using myself as an example, I had horrendous knees (surgery on one at 16, one at 24), and running was really, really painful. A 10 minute mile was out of reach for me, regardless of lung capacity or training. But there were also things I was good at...the dance unit, and weight lifting...but on all but a few days a year, there was no opportunity to do those things. The only options were things that I couldn't do...so I got more and more behind in terms of fitness.

I understand PE programs have trouble securing resources, but I think that splitting time more evenly between the activities that come naturally to athletic kids (running, basic sports) and the activities that are new to most people (dance, I remember doing a golf unit once) or relatively non-competitive (weight lifting) might help kids, like me, with physical limitations or just severe non-athleticism to feel more comfortable in PE. And that might help those kids find a love for activity that would keep them fit much better than being told they "failed" at one rather arbitrary set of measures of fitness.


Quiet Ballerina
12-02-2009, 12:19 AM
In high school, my favorite PE classes were the ones where we were taught self defense. THAT was fun. We even got to fight back at the end (the officers teaching us wore a full body padded suit, including a face guard like hockey goalies). I went to an all girls school, so they thought it was important to teach us self defense.

Second favorite? The classes where the coaches set up TVs so we could work out to Tae Bo videos.

PE should very much be a part of school. Kids need an outlet to get some energy out...instead of sitting in desks all day.

lizziep
12-02-2009, 12:52 AM
not only do they need an outlet for their energy they need a supportive environment! I was a struggler, a straggler when it came to PE. And I remember several times being singled out and humiliated by my teachers for it. I can't blame my being fat on it- but I can certainly attribute some of my hatred for exercise to it.
i wonder how it would be if they did some testing at the beginning of the year and then separated the athletic kids from the non-athletic kids and taught them to their own needs.
The only class I enjoyed was one all girls class- we did line dancing, exercise videos, and i actually put effort into it and tried. it was the only time i did.

Iconised Ghost
12-02-2009, 01:48 AM
I think PE is important, but the way it is taught needs to be changed a bit, at least here. I dont know how it compares to the US but when I was at high school I struggled with PE and never got help. I wasnt athletic. I didnt choose to do many sports or athletics in my spare time. I played netball and was bad at it, but enjoyed it, that was it. So I didnt know how to do the gymnastics, play volleyball, soccer, run properly etc that we did in PE. And no one ever showed me how. In Maths, English etc if a student is struggling, falling behind and FAILING they get extra help. In PE nothing like that happened. I was useless at it, I hated it, and spent most of my time trying to get out of it.

The worst was cross country. I actually told my PE teacher once that I didnt want to do it because I knew I was going to do badly. I guess I was looking for encouragement. My PE teacher said something along the lines of "oh well, aim for a C and get a D" >:( That was when I was 13. 7 years later, I decide to give running a go. SEVEN YEARS

I think PE is important. But theres gotta be a better way to treat kids who arent naturally good at it.

duckyyellowfeet
12-02-2009, 01:55 AM
I agree with Mandalinn 100%.
I played sports and danced all through my elementary/middle school days and was never able to run a mile in under 10 minutes. Some of us just aren't runners and requiring that, in the face of ignoring the importance of other cardio, seems inefficient to me.

Honestly, i think the point of PE is to encourage children to be active and introduce them to activities they may not be aware of; burning off some energy is an added bonus. Giving kids 1 hour of PE a week and then blaming them when they don't make major athletic goals is just begging kids to stop trying because they can't make the cut.

kaybelle9
12-02-2009, 01:57 AM
I spent a year at a private school that did not have P.E. but instead made all of their students participate in three different sports a year. It gave me confidence and comradeship. I was, without a doubt, the most toned and athletic I had ever been in my life, and I loved it.

I transferred back to a public school the next year, and the school figured I had earned 3 YEARS worth of public school P.E. credits.

If the public school I attended had field hockey, swimming, or soccer I would have continued, but the only offered volleyball and softball for girls. Without a doubt, it's got to be a funding issue.

Heidi58
12-02-2009, 06:23 AM
Our middle school offers a a great PE program. They teach 'life time fitness activities' rather than just sports. The kids sign up for the modules they want, things like walking, bike riding, cross country skiing, trekking on snowshoes, archery, basketball, weights, fitness videos, etc. The kids seem to really enjoy it and participate eagerly. It's an encouraging and empowering environment. (Most of the equipment has been secured through grants, fundraising and donations.)

The high school program is more traditional though, sports based and stressing performance. A positive experience for the athletic kids, a so-so experience for the average kids but a tough one for those who aren't into sports and are trying to 'catch up' in time to make a passing grade....

I would love to see programs similar to the one in our middle school at all middle and high schools. I enjoyed PE when I was in school but once I graduated I rarely played basketball, soccer, floor hockey, etc again.

I do ski and snowshoe and bike ride now, but I didn't get into any of those things until our kids were old enough to be interested in trying them.... I wonder if it would have been different if I'd done those things earlier in my life.

k8t
12-02-2009, 07:03 AM
Ooooo, don't even get me started on this one. I'm an elementary teacher and over the past 22 years I've seen a huge shift in kids. No one, and I mean NO ONE, wants to link the huge rise in behavior problems, poor grades, or ADHD/ADD diagnosis to the unbelievable demands being placed on children to sit still for hours at a time, and for longer days, in order to raise test scores.

Yes, yes, yes...to PE, and why shouldn't it be fun? And while we're at it, what about recess? It's gone from a half hour of unstructured time to play to 15 minutes of structured activity. In some places it's been gotten rid of entirely. Lunch is cut in half, with some children who have to go through the lunchline being given 10 min. or less to eat - talk about developing healthy eating habits. Students are expected to have homework every night and often do not go outside to play in the afternoon. The very children who need the increased activity outside of school hours because of the amount of time it has been decreased in school - and who are the most likely to be "ADHD" or behavior problems - are placed in after school tutoring programs to extend the day another hour and a half. The children who are not, are usually in clubs and activities to "enrich" their minds.

Then, as a teacher, I am told that it is MY responsibility to increase their activity in the classroom by letting them get out of their seats to stretch so they will be healthier. Like this is supposed to take the place of really playing? When I have complained about the length of recess, I have been told it is "not an option" to lengthen it. The master schedule will not permit it. When I don't assign a lot of homework, or the homework is easy, the parents complain that they want more.

We have been pushing exercise and health to the bottom of the list for years and downplaying the value of play. Why are people surprised that fitness scores are falling? What do we expect?:mad:

MindiV
12-02-2009, 07:50 AM
I hated PE with a passion once I started gaining weight, around age 10. Before then I was pretty active, and still played summer softball. But during the school year I was the abnormally tall "fat" kid in my class. I had to wear a bra when none of the other girls did, and my pants never fit right.

Those "Presidential Fitness Tests" were the worst. I couldn't do any pull-ups, and was about the only kid in the class who couldn't do it. My sit ups weren't up to par, and more than once (with some boy holding my feet at the time) my pants unzipped while I was doing them because they were too tight for my growing belly. And running? Not a chance. I failed them and was one of MAYBE two kids in my class who didn't get the certificate at the end. I think stuff like that made me retreat further into my shell than I already was...

That being said...PE is very important in school. I started hating PE when it became a contest. We played kickball and nobody wanted me on the team. We played dodgeball and I got hit first because I was the "fat girl" and my team even wanted me out. When it was big, playful group activities where nobody was "last" or "out," we all had fun. And we all played and were active.

The other day I had the "honor" of having to go to the elementary activity room during a "PE" class. There were a list of stretches on the board that the kids went through, sorta...then there was a lot of sitting around and waiting. Not sure how long they had in class, but I left before any real activity was accomplished.

Violet73
12-02-2009, 08:01 AM
I am very thankful to have an active daughter who loves PE. She is also very active at home and hates it when it rains cause she has to stay inside :) Schools here only have one recess. When I was a kid we had two recesses. Kids need to let go of some of that energy. Also, parents need to get outside with their kiddos and "play" sometimes. I know most places these days arent safe and you have to worry about the safety of your kids (thats another story) but you can get out there with them too sometimes. We love to throw the frisbee and take walks. I think the less kids are active at home, the less active they will be at school. They just aren't used to the exercise. I hope someday to be able to keep up a little more with the energy my daughter has....just gonna take one day at a time for now :)

dragonwoman64
12-02-2009, 10:08 AM
I hated PE with a passion once I started gaining weight, around age 10. Before then I was pretty active, and still played summer softball. But during the school year I was the abnormally tall "fat" kid in my class. I had to wear a bra when none of the other girls did, and my pants never fit right.

Those "Presidential Fitness Tests" were the worst. I couldn't do any pull-ups, and was about the only kid in the class who couldn't do it. My sit ups weren't up to par, and more than once (with some boy holding my feet at the time) my pants unzipped while I was doing them because they were too tight for my growing belly. And running? Not a chance. I failed them and was one of MAYBE two kids in my class who didn't get the certificate at the end. I think stuff like that made me retreat further into my shell than I already was...

That being said...PE is very important in school. I started hating PE when it became a contest. We played kickball and nobody wanted me on the team. We played dodgeball and I got hit first because I was the "fat girl" and my team even wanted me out. When it was big, playful group activities where nobody was "last" or "out," we all had fun. And we all played and were active.


very similar to my experience. I remember having very nice PE teachers, but because I was so heavy and out of shape, participating sucked. and the team competitions, being picked last, feeling very inept and unwanted in physical activities, totally killed my desire to do anything athletic (and my confidence that I could do it).

kids who are heavy to obese do need different considerations when it comes to physical education imho. they shouldn't have to fear and loath physical activity and PE the way I did, and look at it as a humiliating experience. physical activity can foster the desire to eat healthier and be healthier.

funny, all my neices and nephews are EXTREMELY athletic, 3 nephews play on college football teams and 3 neices play baseball (one on a college team).

I'm not sure why you call your daughter unathletic, Gary, she sounds very athletic to me.

Aclai4067
12-02-2009, 10:48 AM
I think the tests in PE shouldn't be a set number that everyone has to do, but perhaps a percentage of improvement. Do a pre-test at the beginning of the semester and a post-test at the end. Students should be compared to themselves, not each other. When I took weight training my senior years of highschool, I was the only girl in the class who was not an athlete on a team. No one else was overweight, much less obese. One of the requirements for our final was to squat our bodyweight once. Sure, it's only one rep, but I weighed 260lbs. I pulled the coach aside and pointed out that this was obviously a rediculous requirement for me. I started the class lifting maybe 70 lbs, no way could I lift 260 by the end. He agreed that that would be impossible for me and had me lift the weight of the next heaviest girl in the class (185 lbs). It was still really hard but I was able to do it.

stargzr
12-02-2009, 10:49 AM
Since I've not been out of high school a long time, I feel the need to chime in here. I remember recess in elementary school as a time to run and play, but I do know that as I got older it turned into walking slowly and talking to friends. Junior high came and I remember (vividly) this President's Fitness Test. We had never even practiced pull ups, yet had to eke them out somehow. I managed to jog/walk the mile in 12:21. It was really difficult! The sit-ups I had no problem. I know that we never practiced the mile run, nor pull ups. To be honest, I can't remember what we did in PE. Though I do recall that both years my PE teachers were very overweight and didn't do any activity with us. High school comes along and they only require 2 years of PE to graduate. Since I'd always been more of an intellectual, I did my two years of PE and was done with it. Thanks to my teenage metabolism, I stayed average size.
I think PE is very important in schools! There are too many parents these days that don't care what their child does once they get home from school or aren't healthy rolemodels. However, I think the influence (at least here in SoCal) has been transferred over to academics and how we test compared the rest of the states. My younger brother was 6 years behind me in school and by the time he came through, most things were different. His recess time was cut short, I only heard about outdoor sports maybe once a week (instead of daily), and the time given to do these things had been cut almost in half. Instead, they were learning to test. It's like they can't find the happy medium, where the children feel engaged in class enough to learn as well as feeling engaged outside of the classroom so that they can also be physically active. It's sad, really.
I just have to add that I'm really glad I enjoy running. Lucky me, my husband also enjoys running. When we decide to have children, we're definitely putting them in sports and taking them running with us if they're interested. In the end, it is the parent's responsibility to be sure their children are getting all they need. :)

EZMONEY
12-02-2009, 12:19 PM
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I'm not sure why you call your daughter unathletic, Gary, she sounds very athletic to me.

I mean absolutely no disrespect to my daughter D-W :)

My kiddo is the type of person that challenges herself in her schooling, work and physical efforts. She goes way outside of her comfort zone to advance, but in a healthy way.

She was usually one of the slowest in PE and on the tennis courts. She started playing tennis around the age of 9 and played a day or two a week at the rec. center near us. Her coach there was one of the best coaches of youth I have ever been associated with....and I know many from my years coaching and with all my "kids" playing many organized sports year round.

I would watch younger kids run circles around her and cringe sometimes at her "misses".....but I always encouraged her...and to be honest made her cry sometimes :( with my frustrations of "helping" her...as I mentioned before...girls are not boys! ;)...especially when it comes to coaching :)

She was not quick enough or talented enough to play singles in high school tennis...here in southern California it is pretty competitive....but she was good enough to play doubles...where she only had to cover 1/2 the court. She learned the game...practiced her butt off and finished her senior year one of the top doubles teams in the county and was the Female Academic Athlete Of The Year ....a district with some schools of over 3,500 students.

She had no intention of playing tennis in college...however the coach needed 2 more players...he saw her playing with her roommate one day and asked her to try out...she did and made the team although didn't play very much as the other girls were far better than her...Division 1 level. She transferred to another school for personal reasons and made the team (her now husband played there) and became a 3 time All-Academic American for NAIA. Her team was in the Nationals every year and she won matches up to the quarter-finals a couple of years.

If there is such a person as one that "can't chew gum and walk" at the same time...my daughter would be her!

But she pushed herself to be the best that "she could be"...not the best..just her best.

I have seen many women here do that over the years! doing things they never dreamed possible...:carrot:

One of the reasons I did those 5K's here....until the excitement wore off and no one signed up anymore :(

My daughter, one of the slowest in school, has run/walked many 5K's with me since she was about 12...and ran 16 miles the other day with her training team at under 10 minutes a mile :carrot: She is still no speed demon...but she does...as she always has...make her daddy proud :carrot:

dragonwoman64
12-02-2009, 01:07 PM
IBut she pushed herself to be the best that "she could be"...not the best..just her best.

I have seen many women here do that over the years! doing things they never dreamed possible...:carrot:

One of the reasons I did those 5K's here....until the excitement wore off and no one signed up anymore :(

My daughter, one of the slowest in school, has run/walked many 5K's with me since she was about 12...and ran 16 miles the other day with her training team at under 10 minutes a mile :carrot: She is still no speed demon...but she does...as she always has...make her daddy proud :carrot:

loved your post! I don't have kids, but I get teary reading about parents who help their kids out by example with the eating and exercise. Dan with his daughter on the Biggest Loser, and Eric with his kids...forget it, pass the tissues.

I liked doing a 5K that you sponsored a while ago. I impressed bf with that, we walked all the way to downtown Brooklyn and back.

midwife
12-02-2009, 01:17 PM
I totally get where you're coming from, Gary. Some folks are natural athletes and some have to work their tushes off for it.

My DD (17 yo) started running with me 4 years ago. We were trotting along at a 13 min/mile pace and she wanted to slow down and rest. She went out for XC and got lost the first day of practice cause she was so far behind. Other girls in her year have natural ability and were selected for Varsity. She worked her tail off and one of the best moments in my whole life was when she was so thrilled to be moved UP to the Junior Varsity squad. She spent 4 years working her tail off while other girls cruised along with natural talent. Well, her senior year her hard work paid off in droves. She was the #1 runner in her class, #2 on the team and her hard work finally made her faster than the girls with the natural talent. And she's the only girl in her class who is planning on running in college and will have a running scholarship. She had to work harder, so she did.

DD #2 is also not really a natural athlete. But she's landed on a great volleyball team with awesome coaches and she's having so much fun. And because she is having fun, she WANTS to go to the practices and games and her skills are improving so much. She has to work harder than some of the other girls on the team, and she is improving every single week.

Some folks have natural talent, some have work ethics, some lucky folks have both. My girls are hard workers, but hard work WORKS!

My girls are athletes. And so am I! It's never too late to bring out your inner athlete!

katkitten
12-02-2009, 01:44 PM
I used to dread PE!!! I was regularly teased and ridiculed on team sports days. I did everything in my power to get out of that class. I faked illnesses and injuries....whatever. But I loved dancing days and weight lifting days and, basically, any day where you could compete against yourself and not have other people focused on how you are doing.

I feel that team sports should be an elective thing. But I am fine with having a PE program where children work on their fitness in a less organized, more individualized way.

GradPhase
12-02-2009, 02:04 PM
I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaated!!!!!! PE in school. Since I was in kindergarten! HATED it!!!! Doing sit ups on those hard floors hurt my back, I was never as fast as the other kids (count me in with the generation raised by TV), and all of the activities were based on stuff the BOYS liked. I can't count how many times I either got hit in the head with a kickball, or was the first one out in dodgeball, with huge bruises - or had to play baseball and was expected to know the rules when I'd never even seen the sport before (while being yelled at all the while)- just ridiculous. It was awful. AND for whatever it's worth, I went to 12 different schools in MANY different states by 9th grade. So I had a fair share of PE diversity but it was all the same. Aw-ful.


I propose that instead of a mandatory lame awful ridiculous PE class for everyone, there are smaller classes that kids can sign up for - if there are 3 gym teachers, have one that does kickball all semester, have another that does dance or yoga or something, and then one that focuses on the situps/running/old school gym stuff. Or any variation like that. It can't get a whole lot worse, so it's time to try and make it better! *grumblegrumbleHATEPEgrumblegrumble*

stargzr
12-02-2009, 05:33 PM
Ezmoney- You mention that you've organized 5K's here? I'm probably not horribly far from you in SoCal and I'm really interested in running my first 5K sometime next year. If you have some that you do, I would appreciate the reference(s). :D

dragonwoman64
12-03-2009, 09:22 AM
I can't count how many times I either got hit in the head with a kickball, or was the first one out in dodgeball, with huge bruises -

ho boy, I still cringe when I'm in the park and a ball comes too near me

4myloves
12-03-2009, 09:48 AM
I'm a ball magnet!! We had to run/walk around the football field in Jr. high one time and someone KICKED a football & boinked me in the head! Ouch!

MindiV
12-03-2009, 10:32 AM
Once I was simultaneously hit by TWO balls...a football on top of the head and a basketball under the chin. I stayed away from the four-square blocks after that...

EZMONEY
12-03-2009, 04:39 PM
I really am not too aware of what the schools do now for PE...if they have PE. My kids were in athletic PE all through high school so it was different....they just practiced for their seasonal sports. In middle school they had a recess, organized PE and after school sports...all coed for their grade level.

I know there is a school, elementary, near us where teachers....on their own time...get to school an hour early...give up their own prep time...and stay after an hour...so kids can come and do laps. The kids can walk/run/jog by themselves or in groups just yaking away if they wish...for each lap they get a ticket...tickets add up to those cheapo prizes kids love....last I read there was over 70% participation :carrot:...I will say it took a lot of tickets to get a prize :)

I am not well aware of the wii/play staion games and such...no kids here to play...but I do know there are a lot of interacting games with movement involved....is that the "future" of PE in the schools maybe?

Any thoughts on that?....

4myloves
12-03-2009, 04:45 PM
Once I was simultaneously hit by TWO balls...a football on top of the head and a basketball under the chin. I stayed away from the four-square blocks after that...

Ok, you win ;)

stargzr
12-03-2009, 05:12 PM
The Wii is really fun and has many interactive games, as you said. However, I don't think that would be future of PE for schools. I would think if that were the direction it is going we would have had video work-outs and such in schools already. On the other hand, I can see PE being eliminated almost completely from schools and left to parents to teach their children a healthy lifestyle. I remember in elementary school there were so many of us on the "free lunch" program and those that weren't had their parents pay so they could in the cafeteria. The lunches were always good, milk or chocolate milk, a veggie, some sort of fun main dish (chicken nuggets, pizza, etc) and a something else. When my younger brother went through school, nobody really ate in the cafeteria anymore and I noticed a lot more 'treats' in the kids' lunches. Just an observation...

Aclai4067
12-03-2009, 09:33 PM
I'm a substitute teacher so I've got a decent idea of how often kids get PE these days. I've been to one elementary school that has PE every day, one that has it twice a week, and the rest have PE just once a week. Most middle schools require students to have 1 quarter (9 weeks) of PE a year, some students will get 2 (connections/specials are usually assigned by computer). And high schools require one semester (usually 9th grade) of PE out of all four years!

Recess pretty much only happens in elementary school and it's dwindled down to nothing (5 min, 10 if they're lucky). It's more like a breath of fresh air than a chance to exercise.

dragonwoman64
12-04-2009, 09:12 AM
Ok, you win ;)

I agree! that's pretty good.

EZMONEY
12-04-2009, 09:37 AM
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Recess pretty much only happens in elementary school and it's dwindled down to nothing (5 min, 10 if they're lucky). It's more like a breath of fresh air than a chance to exercise.

I just find this so :( sad :(



When I was in 5th or 6th grade I couldn't wait to get out to recess or lunch. I had a friend, Freddie, and we had a on-going game of basketball. He was Bill Russell of the Celtics and I was Wilt Chamberlain of the then Philadelphia/San Francisco Warriors. We kept a running score...

it was basically a game of HORSE...

Freddie couldn't run too well...but he always gave it a go....but for the sake of fun we just tried to match each other's shots....

Of course we were a bit limited to shots too...

Freddie had to brace himself on his crutch...

I took it a little easy on him in basketball....I think he still beat me most of the time!

but not in tether ball....the kid was amazing at that game! :)

Not sure what happened to Freddie, we moved after 6th grade, but sometimes I wonder, when I see kids that are so unhealthy at that age, if guys like Freddie would be overweight if they were in today's schools....

of course with today's technology he may not even be on crutches...

we make progress...we fall back....

megwini
12-04-2009, 01:50 PM
Schools here only have one recess. When I was a kid we had two recesses. Kids need to let go of some of that energy.

Agreed. When I started elementary school in 1996 and finished it in 2001... when I came in, we had 2 half-hour recesses, and when I left, we only had 2 15-minute recesses. It wouldn't surprise me if it's only one 15-minute recess now. :( It's just wrong. Kids are kids. They need to play.

EZMONEY
12-04-2009, 06:20 PM
.... :( It's just wrong. Kids are kids. They need to play.

:carrot: Yes they do! :carrot:

I took Angie to school and picked her up a couple of days this week since my truck needed a new battery. She teaches at a large middle school....

it just kills me to see all the overweight kids....some are hugs and others just pudgy...but you can just see where they are headed.

I don't want to sound like a jerk here but when I was in school there just wasn't that many overweight kids around school...there was some for sure, there always has been.

My highschool girlfriend was no skin and bones....I was ;) 6' 150-55 pounds soaking wet...she was 5'4" and weighd 135...36DD....people made remarks from time to time...I knew she was a bit chunky....her entire family was built the same...

In today's world I'm thinking that is not that bad.

misskimothy
12-04-2009, 07:02 PM
Wouldn't it be great if PE was evaluated simply in terms of effort and enthusiasm rather than ability? And if a wide range of fun activities were offered so kids could sample a bunch of different things and choosing activities that perhaps very few will be skilled with (levelling the "incompitance factor" so to speak? If teams were chosen by the teacher and balanced to avoid the embarrassment of being picked last or having one strong team and 3 crappy ones playing each other (and I don't mean by a random number system: I mean by having a teacher balance the teams by actually thinking about who is on each team)? And if PE was mandatory through high school and was also part of secondary education?

To me, the key is integrating the concept of physical movement as being fun and good for you, rather than a humilitation for those of us who weren't athletically gifted. Of course, there are some basics you have to monitor but changing from a competitive to a cooperative PE class attitude might be helpful.

Aclai4067
12-05-2009, 02:40 PM
I had some extra time in one of my classes yesterday so I let the kids have a 10 min recess. They were super excited!