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carolr3639
11-17-2009, 08:16 PM
On to the next round since 500 posts is usually when we move on. Eat when you are hungry, stop when you are satisfied. And listen, listen listen to your body.


carolr3639
11-17-2009, 08:28 PM
A note from Maggie Miller.

Tuesday, November 20, 2007
A Common Question
Someone recently asked me what she should do when she finds herself eating past the point of fullness into the place of being uncomfortably stuffed. This is a question that comes up frequently, so I thought I'd put my fingers to the keyboard and share the advice I tend to offer on this topic.

Generally what I ask is for you to consider a few questions....

Do you recognize when you are full, and yet you continue eating anyway? And if so, the deeper question is why? (And believe me, that's a hard question for everyone!) But take moment to think about it. What does the eating past fullness bring you? Perhaps it brings you comfort, perhaps distraction, perhaps you simply eat past fullness because the food you were eating didn't have the "satisfaction factor" you needed. Once you can answer these questions, you can begin to consider ways to address your concern. For example, what else is comforting to you, what else provides distraction, or what other foods can you choose that WILL feel satisfying to you?

And most importantly, don't beat yourself up about it. Each day is an opportunity for learning. And little by little you'll get to the place you want to be.
Posted by Maggie Miller at 10:15 PM

JulieJ08
11-17-2009, 09:19 PM
That urge to keep eating even when you're already full never stops amazing me. We are certainly complicated creatures. :dizzy:


cassieroll
11-17-2009, 09:37 PM
I did it tonight as a matter of fact! Haven't done it in a while. It was good though. :)

ALO22
11-17-2009, 11:30 PM
Hi everyone:

I'm new to 3FC and I posted in featherweight something about how I'm not obsessed with food anymore and that I can't join any diet group because everyone on a diet is constantly talkign about food and I feel like yelling "You are missing the point!!!!!."
I posted that i wanted to go thrugh life not thinking about food. So someone redirected me here and I've been reading this thread and some links (like maggie miller's whole blog) for hours. I've finally found my place =D
Now I don't feel crazy anymore for not being obsessed with food!!!

So, do you mind if I join you? =D

theCandEs
11-17-2009, 11:55 PM
Hello everybody on the new thread! :wave:

Welcome, ALO22 :wel3fc:

Carol, thanks for your posts. They really help me. And, congrats on your progress. I know it takes a long time, but it is better than dieting any day.

I was trying to explain to me SIL tonight what I was doing, but I'm not sure if it sunk in or not. Maybe I should not be trying to explain it anyway? She was talking about having weight loss surgery, and it made me blurt out what I was doing. Oh, well. I know I should just step back and let her do what she wants to do, but sometimes it is so hard.

ALO, no, you are not crazy. I'm doing so much better on IE this time and obsessing about food has become so much less for me lately. I just want to share my new found freedom with other people. I can't help it. lol

JulieJ08
11-18-2009, 12:10 AM
ALO, I'm glad you found us :).

I love Maggie Miller too. I noticed the author of IE recently commented on her blog.

pattygirl63
11-18-2009, 08:39 AM
Good Morning Everyone,

ALO :welcome: Glad you joined us.

Just a quick one for me. Since I decided to do CAD/IE combo, I've only been doing IE so I'm just going to go with it and just eat more low carb and healthy whole foods. Seems to be what I need to do. I think it is in my head now that "diets" don't work and it is time to move away from them and as you said Carolr Listen, Listen to my body.

Carolr Thanks for the posts. I don't know how you find those. I look and some how I miss those.

Blue, theCandE, and Julie and others I missed:wave:

Headed out this morning for a meeting. Wishing all of us a great IE day.

Blue Serenity
11-18-2009, 10:13 AM
Wow! New thread already!

Hello everybody! :wave:

Lemme see if I can remember what I wanted to address from the last thread ...

CandE said: "Blue, it seems like you have a handle on things. If you like yogurt, I suggest you try Fage 2% with strawberry or cherry or honey. OMG! It is soooo good. It's Greek-style yogurt, so it can be hard to get used to, but it is so much better than the regular yogurts IMO. I can't eat any other kind now, although I still like McDonald's fruit and yogurt parfait.

I have 100% whole wheat pasta and white pasta, too. I like the taste of the white better, but sometimes I can get away with making the wheat. I use the wheat when I make chicken parmesan because the chicken is the main part of the meal, not the noodles. I don't like the whole wheat when it is the main feature of the meal, you know what I mean?"

I think I do FINALLY have a handle on things, or at least a plan. I think that's one of my personality quirks. I can be so spontaneous that I tend not to follow thru with plans I make so this is really challenging for me. But I do have a plan. lol

And speaking of yogurt, I found another brand of Greek yogurt at the store last night (they didn't have the one you suggested). They had it in plain and vanilla. I chose the vanilla and haven't tried it yet. Will probably have it for a snack this evening.

Yes, I agree about the ww pasta not as the main meal.

Carol said: I can see from recent pictures that I am thinner than last fall.....a whole year to see progress? Well, if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. I only wish I'd figured this out years ago.

Way to go Carol! That's wonderful progress! I was looking over some old pictures of myself the other day from the last few years and I've got to say the same is not true for me! LOL! My pictures were a major wake up call to get serious about getting this weight off!

Trish said: Blue I am doing the same thing with the CAD program that you are doing with YOU. I want to do everything Intuitively. It makes it so much easier." ... and ... "Just a quick one for me. Since I decided to do CAD/IE combo, I've only been doing IE so I'm just going to go with it and just eat more low carb and healthy whole foods.

Sounds like you are adapting the "gentle nutrition" part that the IE book talks about. Me too! :) And it seems to be a natural process to start to gravitate towards the "healthier" choices. We've had plenty of time to play with the "I-can-eat-whatever-I-want" foods and now that has become old news. Maybe that is the sign that we are finally learning to relax around food. (I'm assuming you and I are on the same page, as we usually are.) I mean, hey, the food isn't going anywhere, right? If I want a bag of potato chips, I know right where to find them! And if I don't have them in the house, I certainly know how to get them. No need to scarf them down right now. Right?

OK, I think that takes care of the last thread.

Welcome ALO22! We're glad to have you here with us. As I'm sure you've noticed as you read thru the last thread that we do still talk about foods in here, just not in an obsessive manner. I think we discuss things along the lines of "the joy of eating" as opposed to "the dread of eating" as we learn to un-diet.

Well, I need to scoot! Have a great one everybody! :sunny:

Oh, before I go, Carol, regarding the overeating article, I can think of two reasons I tend to overeat ... 1) it still tastes good to me and/or 2) there's just a couple more bites in there. I can finish that. (I'm so clean-your-plate brainwashed! - but getting better about pushing it aside!)

ALO22
11-18-2009, 11:17 AM
Thanks for all the welcomes, everyone =D

Can I ask a silly question? I want to add one of those tickers to my posts. I went to the website and made one and all but now I don't know how to add it to my profile O_O
I guess it would be part of my signature but I don't know hot to add a signature.
Sorry I sidetracked!

JulieJ08
11-18-2009, 11:38 AM
ALO, they make you wait a certain number of days (???20 days and 30 posts, I don't know the exact figures), to help prevent spammers. Then you can do it. Everybody hates waiting ;)

ALO22
11-18-2009, 12:18 PM
Oh, thanks Julie. I thought I was being dumb I couldn't figure it out!

carolr3639
11-18-2009, 02:04 PM
Thanks Trish. I usually bookmark a blog when I find it and that leads to other articles. I, too, would love to convince others of IE.....especially my own kids. they see that I've lost and kept it off but still think dieting is the way to go. Hope that over the next few years I can be a help to them. I have a couple kids that are quite overweight and the others have the same tendency. I know how I hurt when I was heavier and I feel for them.

ljd
11-18-2009, 02:34 PM
Hi all,

I'd like to join this! I am not anywhere near a place yet where I can say that I have even tried IE, but the philosophy really speaks to me. I have a very unhealthy relationship with food right now, and hope to be at a place where I can master IE.

Also, I recently tossed my scale, so I feel like, to some extent, I don't fit anywhere else anymore since everyone is very careful to keep track of pounds. I'd like to lose but more importantly, I'd like to be healthy and not have food be such a major source of stress.

Truffle
11-18-2009, 03:39 PM
Hi, ladies...I haven't read this thread for quite awhile. I have three sisters who are all dieting to lose weight, and they roped me into it too, but of course diets don't work once you know better. They just drive you nuts.

Trying to do Spark People/calorie counting with them has not been helpful to me, even though they're doing well with it.

I need to stick to my way of not focusing on food, not trying to be on any kind of "diet" or "eating plan", but eating less and paying attention to whether or not I'm eating mindlessly.

My goal for this winter is to keep losing a tiny bit at a time, but if that can't happen, at least don't gain.

I'm glad this thread keeps continuing. I've got to go look up Maggie Miller. I'm not familiar with that name. Thank you for posting, Carol.

PS Welcome ALO22 from another Vermonter!

Blue Serenity
11-18-2009, 05:24 PM
Welcome ljd! Good to have you aboard! This is definitely a good place to build a better relationship with food! Have you read the IE book? There's a ton of good info in there to help rebuild the food relationship.

Hi Becky, good to see you again. :wave:

sidhe
11-18-2009, 06:54 PM
My goodness, we have a lot of new posters! :welcome: all! :)

I'm doing okay, feeling for some reason really physically uncomfortable today. Dunno what that's about. :shrug: I've noticed that lately I've also been at the "okay I've had my time with play foods, now I'm over it and want healthy foods" stage. Hoping this helps me be more physically comfortable, honestly, because right now I'm pretty miserable! I find it hard to believe my body really wants to settle right here, because I'm so darned uncomfortable!!

But anyway. That's my little fit.

I'm rushing around and working on one heck of a to-do list, I just wanted to stop by and greet our newbies. :wave:

pattygirl63
11-18-2009, 11:05 PM
Well, I just set here and wrote a long message and when I hit submit, I got thrown off of the page and lost it. Sorry guys too tired to redo it tonight. I will write y'all tomorrow.

I got my Callanetics dvd yesterday and did it for the first time today. I can see why she recommends doing only 2 or 3 days a week. I know I will only get 2 days in this week and may do only 2 days until January. Depends on how I do. It is usually hard for me to get up and down from the floor, but I was surprised and pleased at how well I did. Of course, you modify each exercise according to when you start to feel the stretch and as time goes by I should be able to do more and more. I believe it will be good for my back and hope it will be good for the knees.

I will do catch up tomorrow. Goodnight.

carolr3639
11-19-2009, 10:30 AM
That sounds really interesting, Trish. I think I'll look into it.

theCandEs
11-20-2009, 12:10 AM
Blue, I'm sorry they didn't have the Fage kind. I tried some other kinds and I didn't like them. You might need something to sweeten it or it might not be as good to you. Sorry if led you astray.

Welcome, ljd :welcome2: I'm relatively new here myself.

Hi, Becky, nice to meet you.

sidhe, hope you feel better soon.

Trish, I will look that up. I need something to do. ;)


We had Thanksgiving lunch today at my son's school, and I did awesome! I'm feeling so much better these days (at least, with regards to food), that I think I can handle anything. Thanksgiving -- bring it on!!!

lol I just want to thank all of you again! Your support has got me here. :hug:

sweetpetite12
11-20-2009, 01:11 AM
PATTY GIRL: OMG I am soo excited you are trying callenetics i have done them and they are amazing!!
HI there i just tripped onto this thread and love it!!! i have lurked around 3fc for some time now. i have a couple questions tho,
What is the ie book? where could i get it?
what is CAD?
sorry if these are silly q's lol.
thanks so much!!!!

ALO22
11-20-2009, 07:53 AM
Hey, SP12! I'm brand new here too but I know the answer to one of your questions! heheh: IE = Intuitive Eating, by Tribole and Resch. It's in my amazon cart already, just waiting for me to add a few more book and place the order =D

So, yesterday I got Maggie Miller's book. I was a bit bummed when I noticed I had paid 10 dollars for an e-book that's only 64 pages long... but, oh well... I rather enjoyed it. It was nice to see someone who has the same ideas I've been having for 2 years now, but hers are way more organized. I can't even begginf to describe how liberating finding this thread was!

So yesterday I went to the gym and I enjoyed myself so much! I didn't look at the calories burnt, I just enjoy being just me and my body. And after the gym, I treated myself to a night out with my husband. i dressed all pretty and we went to this great restaurant and I had a wonderful meal and I stopped when I got full! And when i went to bed last night and this morning when I woke up, I felt no guilt whatsoever about my meal ^_^

Blue Serenity
11-20-2009, 07:57 AM
Blue, I'm sorry they didn't have the Fage kind. I tried some other kinds and I didn't like them. You might need something to sweeten it or it might not be as good to you. Sorry if led you astray.

Oh, no, not at all! :hug: Thanks for the suggestion! The brand I ended up with is Oikos. What I love about it is how thick and creamy it is even tho it is fat-free! I'm amazed at that because usually ff yogurt is lacking creaminess. So the texture is awesome to me. On the other hand tho, the flavor did need intensifying and sweetening for my taste. I added a splash of vanilla and a packet of splenda and it was quite enjoyable after that.

What is the ie book? where could i get it?
what is CAD?
sorry if these are silly q's lol.
thanks so much!!!!

Welcome sweetpetite! The IE book is Intuitive Eating by Tribole and Resch. Click the link in my signature for more info. It should be availabile in most bookstores and libraries. CAD is a book called The Carbohydrate Addict's Diet by the Hellers. Not silly questions at all! We're glad to have you here!

Hi to everyone I missed! :wave: (I'm shootin thru quick today!)

Have a great one! :sunny:

Blue Serenity
11-20-2009, 08:05 AM
Hey, SP12! I'm brand new here too but I know the answer to one of your questions! heheh: IE = Intuitive Eating, by Tribole and Resch. It's in my amazon cart already, just waiting for me to add a few more book and place the order =D

So, yesterday I got Maggie Miller's book. I was a bit bummed when I noticed I had paid 10 dollars for an e-book that's only 64 pages long... but, oh well... I rather enjoyed it. It was nice to see someone who has the same ideas I've been having for 2 years now, but hers are way more organized. I can't even begginf to describe how liberating finding this thread was!

So yesterday I went to the gym and I enjoyed myself so much! I didn't look at the calories burnt, I just enjoy being just me and my body. And after the gym, I treated myself to a night out with my husband. i dressed all pretty and we went to this great restaurant and I had a wonderful meal and I stopped when I got full! And when i went to bed last night and this morning when I woke up, I felt no guilt whatsoever about my meal ^_^

Hi ALO, looks like we were replying to sweetpetite at the same time. LOL.

Just wanted to say, real quick, that it sounds like you had a terrific day yesterday! :yay:

You mentioned going to the gym and not worrying about calories while working out. That is sooooo important and something we haven't really discussed a whole lot in here: Exercising for the joy of it (not the "necessity" of it). That will go a long way in the long run! Keep up the good work!

ALO22
11-20-2009, 10:32 AM
So, I'm trying not to obsess over not being obessed! (does that even make sense?). Anyway, I'm still at that point in which I still feel the need to read a lot about IE (which I don't want to turn into an obsession).

So, I found this article (I can't post links yet). Hope you enjoy it! =D -- And sorry it's such a long post.

They seem to eat more than you, yet you're overweight and they effortlessly fit into size 8 jeans. Just how do slim people do it? You assume their irritatingly ideal BMI (Body Mass Index) is due to an accelerated metabolic rate, thin genes or some secret diet they haven't told you about. When, in fact, there is no mystery about how the slim keep their weight under control. Genetics and health certainly play a part, but it's a person's habits that tip the scales in the weight-loss stakes. Look closely and you'll find that most slim people have a simple set of seven lifestyle habits that keep the excess kilos away.
HABIT ONE: SLIM PEOPLE DON'T DIET
That's because dieting makes you fat, miserable and obsessive. Dieting sends your body into famine mode. Reduced kilojoule intake sends a message to your brain that starvation could be imminent. Your body responds to the threat by lowering your metabolic rate. That means you're not burning kilojoules as efficiently as before. The result — it's easier for you to put on weight and harder to get it off.

HABIT TWO: SLIM PEOPLE EAT JUNK
Yes, most slim people indulge in the occasional hamburger with the works, dessert and chocolate. That doesn't mean they eat a whole family block every day, but they know the occasional piece isn't going to cause any damage. Exerting huge amounts of willpower trying to resist a banned food usually makes you more obsessive — eventually craving it. The end result is usually a binge. Instead of banning certain foods try telling yourself, "chocolate once in a while is okay and isn't going to cause any problems". This kind of self-talk says I'm watching what I eat but I'm not depriving myself either.

HABIT THREE: SLIM PEOPLE DON'T BINGE
As a general rule, most people in their healthy weight range tend to stop eating, even though they love their food as much as you do, once they feel the edge has been taken off their hunger. They realise they can always have more later — when they're hungry. Try it. Learn to eat when you're hungry and stop when the edge has been taken off your hunger. If you want to eat everything in one go — stop and remind yourself you can eat again when you're hungry. Most people get hunger signals every three or four hours.

HABIT FOUR: SLIM PEOPLE AREN'T OBSESSED
It's not normal to think about food morning, noon and night. Yet this is what most people with a weight problem do — and slim people don't. You need to become comfortable with food again. A good place to start is to only think about what you're going to eat when you get hungry. Work out what you're going to have — eat it — and then forget about it. Get out of the habit of analysing your food. Don't count fat grams or kilojoules. If you're tempted, just remind yourself that food is just energy and doesn't require analysis. Then when you have finished eating, get back into whatever it was you were doing before.

HABIT FIVE: SLIM PEOPLE DON'T ABUSE FOOD
A lot of people use food to help them deal with emotional problems. If you think you might be an emotional overeater you need to uncover which emotions trigger a splurge. Ask yourself next time you're going to binge what you're really feeling. Are you angry, stressed, down? Once you know why you overeat you can then focus on constructive ways to resolve your problems once and for all.

HABIT SIX: SLIM PEOPLE EXERCISE
Research shows that today's increase in obesity is due to our sedentary lifestyles. Cars, lifts, elevators, office work are largely to blame. You need to counteract the negative effects your lifestyle might be having on your body. Walk instead of driving. Use the stairs instead of the elevator or lift and spend an afternoon walking around the shops. Just think the next time you use the Internet to buy your groceries that shopping burns 84 kilojoules every 10 minutes.

HABIT SEVEN: SLIM PEOPLE ENJOY THEIR LIFE
For a lot of slim people, eating well and getting plenty of exercise is a way of life. If they're putting on weight they don't suddenly claim, "Today I'm starting a new diet" and make it as far as lunchtime before giving up. Most slim people don't believe the latest fad diet or wonder weight loss pill has the answers to staying in shape. To regulate your body weight a series of lifestyle habits has to be created to support health and weight loss.

JulieJ08
11-20-2009, 11:48 AM
So, yesterday I got Maggie Miller's book. I was a bit bummed when I noticed I had paid 10 dollars for an e-book that's only 64 pages long... but, oh well... I rather enjoyed it. It was nice to see someone who has the same ideas I've been having for 2 years now, but hers are way more organized.

I've been curious to read her book. I don't think I realized it was quite that short. But then again, a lot of books are longer just because they say the same thing over and over again and spend a lot of text "selling" you their ideas.

I can't even begginf to describe how liberating finding this thread was!

I know what you mean :)

So yesterday I went to the gym and I enjoyed myself so much! I didn't look at the calories burnt, I just enjoy being just me and my body. And after the gym, I treated myself to a night out with my husband. i dressed all pretty and we went to this great restaurant and I had a wonderful meal and I stopped when I got full! And when i went to bed last night and this morning when I woke up, I felt no guilt whatsoever about my meal ^_^

That is just perfect, isn't it?

So, I'm trying not to obsess over not being obessed! (does that even make sense?).

LOL, that idea comes up from time to time. I think it's like any new thing - you take a while to digest and incorporate it. I just go with the flow.

pattygirl63
11-20-2009, 06:51 PM
I tred to post a catchup yesterday and again lost my message so I'll just check in today and see what happens.

ljd and sweetpetite12 :welcome3: Glad to have you here and look forward to getting to know you.

Blue It does seem like we're on the same page again.

Becky wroteI haven't read this thread for quite awhile. I have three sisters who are all dieting to lose weight, and they roped me into it too, but of course diets don't work once you know better. They just drive you nuts.

Trying to do Spark People/calorie counting with them has not been helpful to me, even though they're doing well with it.

I need to stick to my way of not focusing on food, not trying to be on any kind of "diet" or "eating plan", but eating less and paying attention to whether or not I'm eating mindlessly.

My goal for this winter is to keep losing a tiny bit at a time, but if that can't happen, at least don't gain.Becky I had the same type of situation too. I let someone talk me into trying something else with them. Since I am aware of IE, I just can't seem to follow a weight loss diet plan. Then I tried to make CAD and IE a combo thing, but ever since I made that decision all I can do is IE. So I am just rolling with IE.

ALO22 Thanks for the article. Lots of good stuff in there. DH DD is thin and I can tell you that I've observed these in her. I am going to print it out as a reminder.

Well, I need to go do my Callanetics. Y'all have a great weekend.

pattygirl63
11-21-2009, 09:22 AM
The Callanetics has gotten me motivated. The fact that I can get up and down from the floor (with a little bit of a struggle) made me feel good about myself and to realize that this 66 yr old gal can make a come back. I didn't know how to work the dvd in living room, but decided to learn how. You know these men and their electronic toys. DH has more buttons you have to push to get things going. Decided that when Bill was living that I had to learn how to do all that stuff cause he was a cop and gone all the time. So I can do it now. We are the ones who decide we cannot do certain things. I think we have to tell the body what it is going to do not the other way around. Remember the last thing Tony's Mother told us before she died was, "Kids, don't ever get to the place that you think of yourself as being old". I think that is good advice. Any way, I got up this morning got the living room dvd working and did my 30 minute "Sweatin' to the Oldies" exercise. I kept thinking I don't have to do the whole thing. I can quit if I need to. I ended up doing the whole thing. Actually was able to do the floor part and got up without holding on to a chair. I am so excited about this. There was a time years ago when I had the tape that I did that tape 6 days a week. I think I can do it 4 days for now or at least 3 to go along with my 2 days of Callanetics.

Y'all have a great week end everybody!!!

sweetpetite12
11-21-2009, 01:48 PM
hi there everyone!
Does any one else track what they eat and when?
I have started doing that for the last week or so and i highlight all the bad food i eat. i got so excited the first day there was no highlights!
and i have been listening to my body so much more lately. I am out of town visiting so we are eating out alot and i had a hot beef meal. Afterwards i felt like crap... not mentally but physically. my body is starting to crave good and whole foods. i love this approach, i have always been a yo yo dieter and due to that i am at my highest weight now... well i could go on and on, just wanted to drop in and say hi, and let you guys know where i am at....
ps
PATTYGIRL: you are inpiring me to start doing callanetics again!!! thanks!!!

Truffle
11-21-2009, 02:41 PM
hi there everyone!
Does any one else track what they eat and when?
I have started doing that for the last week or so and i highlight all the bad food i eat. i got so excited the first day there was no highlights!
and i have been listening to my body so much more lately. I am out of town visiting so we are eating out alot and i had a hot beef meal. Afterwards i felt like crap... not mentally but physically. my body is starting to crave good and whole foods. i love this approach, i have always been a yo yo dieter and due to that i am at my highest weight now... well i could go on and on, just wanted to drop in and say hi, and let you guys know where i am at....
ps
PATTYGIRL: you are inpiring me to start doing callanetics again!!! thanks!!!

Because I've done so much "dieting" in the past, the minute I start tracking my food, diet head kicks in and starts messing with me. One of my sisters that's dieting is all excited about putting her foods into Spark People every day. I did it for a week or two, but HATED it. I find that the more I observe/notice/record what I'm eating, the worse I do.

The same thing would happen if I started categorizing foods as "good" or "bad". I'd feel like I was on a diet, and it would cause me to start eating all kinds of stuff.

I find I do better the less I focus on WHAT I'm eating.

JulieJ08
11-21-2009, 03:00 PM
I put my food into FitDay from time to time because I get curious, but never for very long, because it makes me start using calories to choose my food.

I do, however, like to log my foods (either without quantity or just vague quantities), so I can learn how different things affect how my body feels and how my mind feels too. Sometimes the effects aren't obvious until you go over a log, because they might be delayed a day or even a week, or it might involve certain combination of foods and other things going on in your life.

But once you see the pattern repeated over and over in black and white, it becomes much easier to let something go that's causing you problems.

Some people might be better at just making these associations mentally. Me, I forget everything a minute after it happens.

theCandEs
11-21-2009, 04:30 PM
No log, and no good or bad foods for me anymore. I just can't live that way. I did once and eventually I just get sick of it.

Julie, I do agree that it would probably help to know foods your body responds well to or not. I just can't bring myself to do a log anymore. At the beginning of this attempt at IE, I did get an idea of where my calories were, and they seem all over the place. High one day, and low the next. I'm just trying to go with the flow, now, as I've heard you say before.

amazinggrace911
11-21-2009, 08:07 PM
Good evening!! Just wanted to write a quick note before I have to get ready to leave for work. I'm getting adjusted to my work schedule. I've actually been sleeping better with working nights. But my eating hasn't been the greatest. Unfortunately my station at work is right in front of McD's and I've been eating there. That is stopping as of now. If I'm hungry, that's different. But I've been making a habit of it and that is going to stop!!

Before we moved I got rid of my scales, and for me that's a good thing. A "bad reading" can ruin my day. I need to not focus on what I'm eating and how much weight I'm losing, but on the reasons why I overeat. I know I need to deal with those problems. Some of the problems are gone but the habit is there. But thankfully habits can be changed!!! I was thinking earlier today that I should take a notebook to work and journal on my breaks to help me not eat but instead face my thoughts.

Waiting on hunger!! That's my focus right now!! I know this is the way. Diet's don't work for me long term. Sure it might take some off quickly at first, but it never lasts. I want it to be gone forever!! I first started putting on weight twenty years ago and I don't want to be this way for another twenty. I want to be healthy and enjoy my life -- not be a prisoner.

Have a wonderful weekend with your family and friends!

Blessings,
Lenise

theCandEs
11-23-2009, 10:04 AM
Lenise, I know you can do this! :hug: Working nights can be hard, but I'm sure you can bring your lunch, can't you? I like McDonald's breakfast, but I don't really like any other meal there. They do have salads and stuff. It just depends on what you are in the mood for. I used to work at a bakery. I gained a lot of weight working there. :lol: I think if I could handle it now, but I had a hard time back then.

That's good about getting rid of your scale. I need to do that, too. I think mine is wrong, but it is wrong in my favor, so I guess I shouldn't complain.

I'm plugging along. I had a few over-hungry moments yesterday because we were gone all day in the car (in the middle of nowhere, too).

sidhe
11-23-2009, 10:15 AM
Good morning, all. I woke up at 6am this morning, put some laundry in the dryer and made some tea. Here I am! :D

I have (yet again) made the realization/decision that flour needs to be OUT of my daily diet. My poor body just can't handle it. I was shocked and horrified on friday by how my clothes were fitting, and I was really uncomfortable. I started to think back over what I had been eating and I kept spotting flour-flour-flour-flour...hmmmmm. I was so bloated it was painful! I have decided that a bit of mindfulness is good, and (as I have said so many times before--why am I not listening to myself??) my body is giving me distinctive signals about what foods are good for it.

Interestingly (I believe someone mentioned this just a little bit ago--Julie?) it's much easier to control my eating and pay attention to satiety signals when those foods aren't a part of my daily fare. I decided to have an apple with peanut butter along with my tea this morning, and part of it is still sitting on the plate next to me. I don't want it, I'm not hungry anymore, and I'm not picking at it. Yes it has sugar in it, but my body still isn't interested. As for my pot of tea, I've drunk about half of it (and yes I add sugar and milk) and I'm done. It was lovely! But I'm done now. If this were, say, a bagel, I'd eat it til it was gone. Hmmmmmmmmm. What can I say, I'm still learning! :D

I was reading in the Health At Every Size book this weekend that your body will continue to eat when it's still looking for nutrients. Not any specific nutrient, though when you get very very low on something you can start to crave foods that have that nutrient in them. But when you're eating processed foods or foods that don't naturally contain much in the way of vitamins/minerals, you may PHYSICALLY be full, but your body is still looking for nutrients and thus still telling you to eat. Once you give your body something to really "process", it will stop telling you to eat. It was an interesting concept, and one I'm going to attempt to explore with my food choices.

One part of that is eating as much fresh stuff as possible. I have the infinite luxury of living in Southern California, so our grocery store produce departments are always full and fresh. For the last couple of days I've been deciding what I want to eat in the morning, running to the store to get it, and eating through all my fresh stuff in the day. The fridge looks a bit barren, but at least I'm not wasting money on produce that sits there long enough to go bad! :lol:

On that note, I've got a dash to the store to make. Take care, all! :wave:

JulieJ08
11-23-2009, 11:49 AM
Interestingly (I believe someone mentioned this just a little bit ago--Julie?) it's much easier to control my eating and pay attention to satiety signals when those foods aren't a part of my daily fare. I decided to have an apple with peanut butter along with my tea this morning, and part of it is still sitting on the plate next to me. I don't want it, I'm not hungry anymore, and I'm not picking at it. Yes it has sugar in it, but my body still isn't interested. As for my pot of tea, I've drunk about half of it (and yes I add sugar and milk) and I'm done. It was lovely! But I'm done now. If this were, say, a bagel, I'd eat it til it was gone.


I don't remember mentioning it, but my memory is bad sometimes. :dizzy:

I do take care with flour goods, even whole grain flour. It doesn't really make me feel bad or gain weight, per se. It just doesn't usually give me satiety signals like actual whole grains or fat do/does, so large quantities go down too easily.

I mean, I have bread-type things often enough, I just don't expect it to be the filling portion of my meal - I have beans and veggies and fat with it. Which is what makes eating out (at restaurants or people's homes) difficult as a vegetarian - you get served a lot of flour-based stuff, and white flour at that.

carolr3639
11-23-2009, 04:14 PM
I mostly don't think about types of food now.....I spent years doing that. But I do get hungry for a fruit or veggie with meals. Today I had orange juice with lunch because I was in a hurry and craving fruit. It was great!

ALO22
11-23-2009, 06:52 PM
hi ladies!

So, my mind has been leaning towards intuitive eating for 2 years now and I would have practised it 100% if it wasn't for my diet mentality that told me I was crazy to eat certain things. Anyway, As soon as I found this thread, whatever little was left of my diet mentality seems to be gone. And I'm very glad for that. I seemed to have freed myself from so much anxiety just oevrnight! And it's not just about eating, it affects all aspects of my life, positevely! It's freedom and NO anxiety that I'm feeling right now, no worries, less concernes about things I can't change. How intricate this is.

Anyway, my problem now is that the food I'm eating is giving me stomachaches! I just had a little bit of cheese because it sounded great and I was hungry for a snack... and now I'm feeling a bit sick. I honestly haven't made that many changes to my diet (since I was almost eating intuitively before), and I never eat very processed foods or fast foods, just because I hate the way they make my body feel. So now I'm just adding more real cheese and butter and meat, and it's giving me heartburns =S

One thing I absolutely know my body is not craving right now: dairy products =S
(I am looking at that orange sitting on my desk and just drooling at the thought of it... mmmmm, I may be having fruit for dinner tonight ;))

anyway... ironic! ahhaha =)

UPDATE: So, I went to the store to buy some fruit and I saw this lemon. It just looked soooo good (yes, lemon, yes, it looked sooo good) but I was like "no, I can't buy a lemon, the same way you buy an apple, it's just ridiculous). So I went down the tea isle and I saw lemon tea and again I craved it. But the I realized i didn't really want tea, I wanted lemon. So i went back and grabbed the lemon. I just had 2 sliced... and my stomache ache is gone!!!! ^_^

JulieJ08
11-23-2009, 07:38 PM
ALO, isn't that fun?

Now and then I just have fruit for dinner too. I'm partial to a bowl of crunchy, sweet grapes. And maybe a spoon of peanut butter. :)

ALO22
11-23-2009, 08:01 PM
Julie, it was amazing! I know i've been reading way too much about intuitive eating these last few days (as usual, I am very enthusiastic about something when I just started) but my drooling over an orange and then realizing that what I really really wanted was lemon... that shows that there's something very right about this IE theory.

BTW, Julie, I saw your progress photos and you look great =D

pattygirl63
11-23-2009, 09:08 PM
I too have come to the place that I don't see foods as good or bad. When I want something, I know I can have it and I do if I really want it. However, I like the idea of Clean Eating/Whole Foods eating, but I find that a lot of times when I eat whole grains that I experience heartburn.

I'm eating totally IE, but I decided that I would count calories just out of curiosity and I am pleased with the way it has been going. No I don't plan to count calories forever. Just wanted to see where I am with cals. I did my 30 min 2 mile Walk Away the Pounds and it was really pushing it. However, I like to do my exercise 1st thing in the morning and couldn't get my vcr to work in the living room and DH was sleeping in the bedroom. Tomorrow will be my callanetics day much easier.

I enjoy reading what you guys write.

Later,

amazinggrace911
11-24-2009, 01:46 AM
Has anyone ever read Michelle May's latest book?? I bought it at B&N the other night. Going to start it today.

Thanks for all your good posts! It's helpful to see that this works!

Lenise

carolr3639
11-24-2009, 09:04 AM
She is good and I think she has some videos on Youtube that are good, too.

sidhe
11-24-2009, 09:33 AM
I sat at B&N and read the first 100 or so pages of the Michelle Mays book. I liked it, but half the book is exercises (which I don't need) and recipes (which I didn't want). So I just read the first part. Some reasonable ideas, some that seemed to really push the "diet" envelope for me. I hope you like it. :)

pattygirl63
11-24-2009, 12:48 PM
Just a quick one to say hello. Going to Wally world today hoping I can get my last minute shopping done for T'day before the everybody goes tomorrow. Planning to spend the rest of today when I get back and tomorrow getting ready for company coming Thursday for dinner. Everything is going great. I'm so thankful that I am strictly IE and it is working for me so well right now. Have my plan for the big dinner Thursday. I read what someone else does, I think it was on Eat Clean site. I'll eat a little bit of all the things I want and if I want more I can go back. She said she usually doesn't want to go back for more. I also want to remember what I read somewhere else that after 2 or 3 bites that the food doesn't taste as good. So I plan to eat enough bites to enjoy the taste of the foods I only eat at Thanksgiving. I plan only making enough not to have a lot of left overs (I'm not making the turkey and dressing). Will send what is left home with the guests.

Y'all have a great day and Thanksgiving and I'll catch you after.

JulieJ08
11-24-2009, 12:56 PM
I find Thanksgiving so much easier with IE. No guilt. No painful stomach from over-eating. No eating stuff just because, even though it's not that great.

Just really enjoying the good stuff, stopping when I'm full, and enjoying family.

carolr3639
11-24-2009, 03:44 PM
Sidhe, I'm glad you got to read the cook before buying. That's always a bummer when you don't care for it after you already bought it. I get a lot of used books from Amazon but that means you have to wait awhile till the price goes down. Sometimes when I am done cooking for 25 or more people like Thanksgiving, I'm so sick of looking at the food that I don't eat. ha!

Natoshial
11-24-2009, 09:18 PM
I'm really looking forward to Thanksgiving and Christmas this year. Last year I was riddled with guilt from overeating and feeling like I shouldn't be eating those foods to begin with. I know there will be no guilt in eating the wonderful foods that are going to be prepared this year. I live in the South and love southern cooking. However, my husband doesn't care much for it. So holidays I get to taste the things that I don't cook that often. We are having venison. I haven't had any in years and I am excited about it. I plan on making sure I listen to my body, my hunger signals, and stop when comfortable. We are going over to my husbands family later in the evening and they are having finger foods. I just plan on really following the IE rules to the max this holiday season. IE Rocks!!! I just can't contain the excitement over this way of eating. The way my thinking about eating has changed. I lost weight doing IE before I got pregnant with my daughter in 2004. But, I wasn't as determined and I still had that dieters mentality stuck in my head. That mindset is gone finally.

Right now I am craving a banana like crazy. I can almost taste it. Gotta make a trip to the grocery store tomorrow so I'll be sure to get some then.

Hope everyone has an awesome Thanksgiving!!! I have so much to be thankful for. You all are on my list of people I am thankful for . I am very grateful for a place like this with wonderful Chicks. Where I can feel excepted and find the support that I need. Love Ya'll!!!

sidhe
11-24-2009, 09:30 PM
Carol, maybe I should try your method of getting sick of food by cooking bunches of it, but then what would I do with all that food?? ;) The Thanksgiving holiday has never been all that much of a challenge for me, and it won't be this year, either. My family is no longer in town, and friends are busy with their own families. The family across the street has invited us to their celebration, but DH has mentioned that he wants to "get out of town" for the holiday ("drive north", essentially) so we may just do that. :shrug: It's been a long, long, time since I was at a full traditional Thanksgiving...before my grandmother died in August 1996, at least. Of course, the fact that my DH is British and Thanksgiving is NOT a British holiday may have something to do with it! :lol:

It's interesting, but I'm really not feeling challenged at all by the idea of being in the holiday season. Like you, Julie, there's a kind of mental :shrug: going on...eat what I like, enjoy it, move on. At the moment I am doing my little "plan your day and buy what you need the night before" thing, and I'm happy with that. I'm eating a lot of fresh stuff and I'm excited about that because it just sounds really good--I look forward to it all! I don't see any reason to change my plans to go along with some arbitrary traditions that aren't MY traditions, anyway.

Half a baked potato with broccoli and cheese tonight, and maybe some hot chocolate later. I just ate a ring of dried pineapple, though, so I'll wait til I'm hungry again. For lunch I had yaki niku (finely sliced grilled beef and onions) at a sushi place, with miso soup and rice. Midmorning I had granola with sliced banana and strawberries and soy milk, and early this morning (6am) I had an apple with peanut butter. This sounds like a HUGE amount of food, and yes it is front-weighted (I eat more in the beginning of the day naturally, and my appetite dies off as the day wanes), but I ate what I wanted and left good portions of all those meals. Well, I tried to leave the fruit on my granola, but it got stolen by a little monkey of a 3-year-old! :lol:

sidhe
11-24-2009, 11:34 PM
So I got thinking about the list of foods I gave up there, and "how much" food I ate today. And I started worrying about it, and I started feeling bad, and I was tempted to go jump on the scale which would be a REALLY bad idea right now, and...:blah: :blah: :blah: What to do?

I went and filled out my fitday account.

The verdict is: about 2100 calories, 17% protein, 29% fat, 54% carbs. 33 grams of fiber. I'm a hair short on calcium, potassium, and iron (seriously, like, 98%). This is without planning. Well, you know, beyond "what do I want to eat that's fresh" and going to the store to get it. ;) So really, I think I just managed to prove to myself that my body really will, if I get out of it's way, take good care of itself. :D

Interesting!

carolr3639
11-27-2009, 09:57 AM
Haven't been able to get on here for awhile. Back later.

theCandEs
11-27-2009, 01:04 PM
Happy Thanksgiving all! I had a nice one. And today I stepped on the scale and I was down a pound! OMG! What is up with that? It seems hard to believe I would lose weight at Thanksgiving. I'm glad though. lol

Everybody have a nice weekend! :)

theCandEs
11-27-2009, 01:05 PM
P.S. Sidhe and Natoshial, it sounds like you are both doing good! Way to go!

pattygirl63
11-27-2009, 01:41 PM
I had a great day yesterday. I followed my plan exactly and fixed one plate of a little bit of everything I liked and didn't have to go back for seconds.:carrot: I ate and was satisfied not stuffed and not full. I was so pleased. Sent most of the food home with the guests and saved only enough for one meal today. I threw out the dressing so I wouldn't eat it. I'm up a lb, but that is only because the homemade noodles was cooked in store bought broth and had way more salt than I ever eat. That should come back down tomorrow. I am really thrilled with the way things went.

theCandEs GREAT on the weight loss. Glad to see that we all seem to have done very so well.

Carolr I couldn't get on here either. It kept showing it was busy.

Y'all have a great weekend.

JulieJ08
11-27-2009, 07:26 PM
Yay, it's now two yoga practices in three days :). I love my yoga, it loves me, but still I haven't done it since the spring, and boy does it show in so many ways. :yoga:

Second epiphany ... as I was eating the leftover orange-pineapple jello with marshmallows that I brought home, and feeling mildly guilty about it ...

I realized it's more dissatisfaction than guilt. My sweet tooth has become so sensitive, that I can't enjoy desserts as much as a I used to. I still eat them, rather than just entirely going without something I want ... but what I really want is that dessert but with 1/4 the sugar it was made with. And restaurants / other people just do not make stuff that way. And being single and only preferring dessert about once a week anyway, I'm not usually going to make it myself.

I don't know if that makes sense. It's was just interesting to me to realize I was misidentifying dissatisfaction as guilt. And I think I'll find it easier to start making little desserts for myself a little more often, the way I like them, and find it easier to skip the stuff that isn't quite what I want.

pattygirl63
11-28-2009, 11:36 AM
I was excited this morning to see that I'm back down to where I was before T'day. I even had lost half a pound. So I came out of this really good. I am sooo pleased. I LOVE IE!!! And I'm so thrilled that IE is finally my way of life. Didn't do calorie counting T'day and haven't gone back to it. I am finally strictly IE and loving it. Also finding that the healthy foods are what I want to eat. Big changes that are good changes in my life.

JulieJ08
11-28-2009, 12:05 PM
pattygirl, that's exciting, it must feel great :)

Natoshial
11-28-2009, 12:43 PM
That's great PattyGirl!!!. Also great for you. TheCandESCongrats on the weight loss during the holidays. Those half of pounds add up. It took it a while to sink in for me. But I am hooked on IE also.

The holiday went well. I've started an exercise plan now. At least trying one. I just realized that Netflix has 42 DVD's on Play It Now status. I can watch them all on my computer. I never thought about this and didn't realize they even had workout videos after all these years of getting Netflix. I did 10 minutes of a 55 minute Carb Burner video today. That is all I could manage. plan on trying again tonight. I want to invest in some weights and a yoga mat.

ALO22
11-28-2009, 11:06 PM
Hi, Ladies:

I hope you had a very nice thxgiving =)

So, I had this moment of epiphany today... I was driving, coming back from the gym, when I realized this is the body I have... this is the shape it has and it's not going to turn into somebody else's body any time soon...

theCandEs
11-29-2009, 04:04 PM
Hello again, everyone! :wave: I got on the scale again this morning and it's still the same! I'm so happy. :goodscale I thought I must be imagining things, but it is actually true!

Anyway, it was so nice outside, it made me feel like going for a walk. If only it could be fall all year. lol All of the trees here are changing and the weather is so nice. I love it.

Wow, lots of epiphanies going on around here. That's great! I think IE is a long process, and there is so much to learn about it and yourself everyday. This time I didn't get stuck in my pattern of overeating, and I feel great. I'm so glad it is working. I'm glad all of you are able to work your way through this, too. I feel it is really the only way to lose weight and keep it off. I know there are many ways to lose weight, but keeping it off is key. I used to think I would rather get down to my ideal weight by dieting, and then do IE. That was the wrong way to think about it, though. I need to go through this process, or I will not be able to keep the weight off.

Anyway, everyone keep up the good work! :cheer2:

lharvey180
11-29-2009, 08:30 PM
Hi, I am pretty new to IE and this site in general. Not at all new to the losing weight, gaining weight roller coaster. Hope you don't mind if I join up here?? I could def use the support and advice from seasoned IE followers!!

JulieJ08
11-29-2009, 09:06 PM
lharvey, welcome! :D

Just join right in. We all have a slightly different take, which I think works out great. And I think we're all still learning.

lharvey180
11-30-2009, 07:28 AM
Well been following IE for about a week. Made it through Thanksgiving no problem..but the past two days I have been sick and completly ignored every signal my body was giving me and ate till I was stuffed! Ugh, I feel kinda disgusted with myself, but have to keep reminded myslef that this is a learning process and I won't get it perfect..lol I guess I'm a bit of a perfectionist! So how do you all handle slip ups?

ALO22
11-30-2009, 09:37 AM
lharvey, welcome! Don't feel disgusted with yourself and I wouldnm't think of it as a slip up =) That's one of the beauties of IE: there's no plan, there's no slip ups. We all need to learn to "forgive" ourselves (although I'm not sure whether you did something that needs to be forgiven or whether you were being just a human being).

So, this is a nice segway to what's been happening to me this last few days. I've bought the intuitive eating book and I really like it. In my case, I overcame binging and mindless eating a few years ago, and my obsession with food (that annoying little voice in the back of my head) has been almost completely gone for a while too. However, I remain a bit of a secret dieter (or whatever the term is) and I want to get rid of that. I don't want to have to over think about food and calories before and after every meal.

So, yesterday I was working out (I enjoy moving my body) and I looked at myself in the mirror and hated what I saw. I almost cried. Now, I don't think I'm even overweight (5'5'' and 150lbs) but I just feel like I've always had this dream of a slimmer me. It's not my body shape, I don't want to change anything about my body, I just want to lose some pounds. But I don't want to diet... I've been feeling pretty discouraged.

I just hope this is all part of the process and that things fall into place in my head =(

I don't know why I'm so hard on myself.

Also... another thought that has been bothering me: if I don't diet, what do I do with that energy that I'm so used to putting into dieting?!

lharvey180
11-30-2009, 10:12 AM
I def know that feeling..of being so consumed by dieting..every thought I used to make..can I eat this, is it time to eat yet...how are my macro's...how many calories do I have left for dinner..ugh so done with all of that! It seems so silly to me now!
I used to weigh 235 and over the course of a little over a year dropped to 153...I did this by severely restricting my calories and exercising in excess of 2 hours a day. Def not healthy, and I was miserable! After that I decided enough was enough and started eating more...AND gained back 20 pds.
So here I am again...trying to lose what I gained back. But I am so tired of dieting..I am really hoping that by following IE I can lose weight while gaining a better underestanding of my body and what it needs!
I also tend to eat a lot out of boredom...so I don't know I get really frustrated wanting to eat because I am bored, but knowing deep down I'm not really hungry at all.I dunno maybe I need a hobby that I can do at night while I'm watching TV...

carolr3639
11-30-2009, 11:54 AM
My DD had a baby boy Sat. night and I can hardly even think about eating.......so sweet!

JulieJ08
11-30-2009, 12:00 PM
I think it helps to reframe them not as slip-ups but as learning experiences. You learn how your choices make you feel - that means next time, you can choose based on experience instead of based on rules. When the results become real enough to you, the choices become easier (and sometimes just plain easy). I find it a lot easier to choose a healthy meal when I'm very aware of how I feel at that time and how the meal will make me feel, vs. trying to make the "right" choice. And the "unhealthy" choice isn't always going to make me feel bad - the point is that I'm aware of when my body really needs something.

I suppose there's always going to be at least some element of using a little effort to change long-standing habits, and to make choices that serve you. But for me at least, it feels very different when I get to choose what serves me, by listening to my body, than by following external rules.

pattygirl63
11-30-2009, 07:54 PM
lharvey, :welcome2: to IE. Hope you are feeling better. I don't know how you deal with perfectionism as I have that problem as well. I expect me to be perfect and when I'm not, I become my worst at abusing myself. Althought I have to say that I am become better thanks to IE. I wouldn't call being off a little because of illness as a slip. In fact, I don't call anything a slip any more since doing IE because we are allowed to eat whatever we really want. I find if I satisfy my hunger that there is no reason to overdo it with anything. When you lose the bad foods/good foods attitude, you lose the guilt and the "I blew it so I might as well eat" attitude.

Carolr :congrat:
What is the name of your new baby boy?

Julie I agree. I've been experiencing this lately. Maybe that is what IE calls making peace with food. Because now I think about why I eat certain foods such as what it does for me healthy wise. For example, my Mama always ate oatmeal because her Daddy and brothers had high cholestrol. When she found out she had cancer, I remember her saying that she took care of her heart, but never thought about cancer. A lot of my choices of foods has to do with how it is going to make me feel and how it is going to help make or keep my body healthy. It sure helps me in making decisions of what I'm going to eat.

ALO22 said if I don't diet, what do I do with that energy that I'm so used to putting into dieting?!

I know exactly how you feel. I had followed diets for sooooo long that when I started doing IE, I wondered the same thing. I have spent so many years and soooo much money on diet books etc and printing paper printing out things about diets that when I stopped dieting, I didn't know what to do any more. I actually feel like something is missing in my life at times... feel withdrawls if that makes any sense.

I've had a good day. It was nice to be able to go out and eat what I want. I actually find that I don't want all that much and I go for the healthier stuff. Tony and I have gotten to where one gets a combo and the other gets a single and we half the drink and fries. Sometimes we buy a combo and half the whole thing. It is really strange how things have changed since IE.

Blue, theCandEs, Natoshial and everyone else:wave:

JulieJ08
11-30-2009, 08:09 PM
Also... another thought that has been bothering me: if I don't diet, what do I do with that energy that I'm so used to putting into dieting?!



Indeed!

I think this is what messes up some dieters when they reach maintenance. All of a sudden they don't have a focus anymore. I'd rather lose weight by having a non-food focus in my life all along.

Actually, I'm more food focused than I was, but less *eating* focused. I'm kind of a wannabe foodie now, but to me that's way different than always wanting to *eat*, to always be putting something in my mouth. Making enjoyment of food and meals central in life (which is more common in other cultures) is different than trying to solve (or rather, ignore) my problems by eating.

ALO22
11-30-2009, 09:14 PM
Carolr: CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bb: Enjoy your grandson!!!!!!! What's his name?

Everyone else, thanks for answering.
I've been having th toughest of days. I feel depressed about my body every time I work out. I stare at myself in the mirror and feel like crying. It feels like the more I try to make piece with my body in a natural way, the more I fail whereas all my friends just live on a diet (including diet pills) but they look great all the time. I feel like I will always be the FAT ***. No matter what else I do, I am the FAT one. The "I don't deserve anything I have" feeling is making a horrible comeback.

=(

Now, these are feeling I thought I had learnt to control a long time ago, but they are here again.

In December of last year I move to the US. I got married to my boyfriend of two years and I haven't been back home since then. My mom and brother came to visit me in September. But moving away can take you to sad places in your mind that you didn't even know existed.
I am 24, I'm starting my life, I can't get a job in my field (translation or teaching), I am only now, and very slowly, starting to meet people... So I finished college, I moved away and now I feel like I am strating from zero. My life already is in total chaos. ANd now I have to get rid of the only (false) sennse of control I have? (controling my food)...

Not having gained any weight this year is the only thing that makes me feel like I'm not a failure. But now I feel that I will never be able to get rid of this excess weight that I DON'T WANT. This weight that I feel is a cover for something, that prevents me from being all the woman I could be.

And again... I am all the woman I can be. This weight is not preventing me from doing anything... so, why is it still there? Why doesn't it magically melt away?

I feel like a fat failure today.

JulieJ08
11-30-2009, 09:44 PM
ALO, I wish I knew what to say to make it all better :hug:

Remember that feelings come and go. It's good to try to deal with them and build the good feelings. But even if you don't do anything, they still come and go.

And I think anyone undergoing that much change would be stressed. For sure. So take it easy on yourself! You've been through a lot :)

And you don't have to give things up. I think when it feels like that's what you're doing, then it's time to step back. We change the way we eat when we like the way it makes us feel *today*, not just for some future goal.

But mostly, I think the fat feelings will pass. I think when we worry too much about them we give them even more power. You just say, oh hi there, you're a familiar feeling. Let me scoot over here so you have a place to sit. You do your thing, I'll do mine. Like you do when refusing to give a misbehaving child any reinforcing attention, even negative attention.

:hug:

carolr3639
11-30-2009, 09:52 PM
Sorry I can't post more.......with Thanksgiving and the new baby I have a lot to do. His name is Liam Wallace.

JulieJ08
11-30-2009, 10:05 PM
My DD had a baby boy Sat. night and I can hardly even think about eating.......so sweet!

Congratulations! That is so fun. And tiring :)

ALO22
11-30-2009, 10:19 PM
Julie, thank you so much for your post =)

I'm having a relaxing evening, watching house and waiting for hubby. Feeling better now.

Thank you again for your answer, really. ^_^

Blue Serenity
11-30-2009, 10:32 PM
Hi everyone! :wave:

Carol, contratulations on the grandson! How exciting!

Welcome lharvey! :welcome:

Also... another thought that has been bothering me: if I don't diet, what do I do with that energy that I'm so used to putting into dieting?!

I know exactly how you feel. I had followed diets for sooooo long that when I started doing IE, I wondered the same thing. I have spent so many years and soooo much money on diet books etc and printing paper printing out things about diets that when I stopped dieting, I didn't know what to do any more. I actually feel like something is missing in my life at times... feel withdrawls if that makes any sense.

ALO22 & Trish, You've brought up something that in the past I couldn't quite put my finger on. I kept saying that I felt like I needed to "do something" but I didn't know what. I thought maybe it was exercise, just something, but didn't understand that what I was going thru was this withdrawal thing. Yes, that's it exactly. A dieting withdrawal. No calories to count or food to log, just a void. Thanks for putting it into words for me.

Now, I think I've also hit on a solution to my own dieting withdrawal. At the beginning of November I decided to start journaling. It's not a list of what I've eaten (to make sure I've been a "good girl") tho sometimes I do include food, but it is basically just my thoughts on virtual paper. I highlight what my goals are, how I'm feeling at any given time, make note of how certain foods affect me, any cravings, lessons learned, areas needing improvement, anything ... I just put it all down where I can reflect on what I'm doing with IE. I only wrote for a few days before I got sick and didn't tend to it for a week and then when I was recouping I just didn't take the time to get back at it, but I went back to journaling this morning and feel refocused.

The reason I bring this up is because of the question "what do I do with that energy that I'm so used to putting into dieting?" Well, journaling is what I'm doing. When I take the time to write in my journal I feel focused. I feel like I am doing something proactive. In fact I got this idea from a book I saw in the bookstore ... "The Writing Diet" by Julia Cameron. I don't know all the specifics of her book because I didn't read it, except for a brief overview of it, but decided that journaling was exactly what I needed. I think I've decided that my own problem with weight loss is not a problem with the food anymore as much as it a problem with me losing focus and slipping into old habits (as the month of November has proven to me). So anyhow, I wouldn't say that journaling is an obsessive thing, but more of a way to stay focused since IE is just so free from rules. It helps me get my priorities set and lets me see where I need to adjust things in my life (relating to eating or not). So, that's what I'm doing, and I'm finding that the void is filled and my head is on straight.

Edit to add: Another great thing about journaling, I am finding, is that as I read back over previous days I am reminded of the little victories along the way or things I wrote down that I wanted to check into or some area I said I was going to work on and I am reminded of it. Otherwise those little things tend to get lost in the daily hustle and bustle. Now I have a record of them and they are so helpful!

pattygirl63
12-01-2009, 02:21 AM
Blue Thanks for sharing about the journaling. I started that and then got away from it as I started getting ready for T'day company. I think I just may start it up again. I am also using the Beck's confession cards again. That helps keep me focused as well. I haven't been faithfully doing them everyday because I get up too late sometimes and if I'm not careful on those days the day slips away without me doing them. I need to be more strict about doing them.

ALO22 :hug: I so relate to how you feel. I have experienced that most of my life until this past year when I learned a way to change that. It is late and I have to get the book out to remember some thing that I will come back and share with you tomorrow. Wish I had learned them when I was your age. However, I am thankful that I have learned it now. You might go over to the thread called Beck's Diet Solutions (I think it is called) and read. That book fits in nicely with IE. It is under the same group General Diets as Intuitive Eating. Also there is a IE website that I got a lot of information from, but don't go there much anymore as this is my favorite support group is this one at 3fc. The website is throughthickandthin.com . I think the woman who started that site used to work with the 2 women who wrote the book. You've already gotten a lot of good ideas from others here too. The thing I've learned is that I had to get all the information and ideas I could from others and then take what I felt would work for me and make it personally mine. This is learning to make it fit you the way you can live with it. Just hang in there and don't give up. We are all hear for you.

It's after 2am so I got to get to bed. Catch y'all later.

Blue Serenity
12-01-2009, 08:59 AM
The thing I've learned is that I had to get all the information and ideas I could from others and then take what I felt would work for me and make it personally mine. This is learning to make it fit you the way you can live with it. Just hang in there and don't give up. We are all hear for you.

Trish, I couldn't agree more! At the beginning of my journal I outlined my goals and eating "plan" in a Who, What, How, When, Why, Where format complete with an introduction to my plan (which I call "I Choose" as a reinforcement of the IE idea.)

It sounds a bit self-centered (because, well, it is! LOL But it has to be to fit my needs) but here's what I wrote ...

My "I choose" eating plan is designed around me, myself and I and is based on everything I have learned about dieting over the years. I have incorporated ideas from many eating plans but ultimately I have designed this program to fit MY exact needs based on my personality and experience with what works and what doesn't work for me. The important thing I want to remember is that I am in control. I call the shots. I choose ...

And the mentality behind that is what I have written here in my journal under the "What" title ...

WHAT?
I choose to implement what I have learned from years of dieting successes and failures. This means there will be some guidelines, which are not meant to hinder, but to aide in weight-loss success. It's for my own good.

And one of the items under my "Why" section is as follows ...

I choose to implement what I have learned from dieting because there is good, sound advice to be found within many different eating plans. I choose to use what I know to achieve maximum satisfaction and results. This does not mean that I am on a diet, just that I am following sound advice and using common sense as with any area of my life.

It has taken me a very long time to understand this concept, that I'm not following what some guru has said, but that I'm just doing what is going to work for me, and only I know what that is (or have to find that out).

ALO, I think that is key for each of us. We each have to be a little self-centered when it comes to how we go about losing weight. I hope that doesn't sound snobbish, but it's true. What works for me may not work for you. I say all of this as I am currently hovering around my highest weight EVER. So I'm not much help in the success story department, I am right there with you experiencing every feeling you have described about feeling like a failure and just being fed up with it all ... but what I have said, I say with hope. Like I said earlier, it has taken me a very long time to figure this out. So I am only now stepping on the path of recovery (depending on how you look at it.) So I am very hopeful that as I diligently "put my hand to the plow" things will turn around for me. Stick with us in this forum, don't go anywhere! These ladies here have been so helpful to me when I'm in that slump (and I go there often)! :hug::grouphug:

Y'all have a great one! :sunny:

theCandEs
12-01-2009, 11:17 AM
I've been having th toughest of days. I feel depressed about my body every time I work out. I stare at myself in the mirror and feel like crying. It feels like the more I try to make piece with my body in a natural way, the more I fail whereas all my friends just live on a diet (including diet pills) but they look great all the time. I feel like I will always be the FAT ***. No matter what else I do, I am the FAT one. The "I don't deserve anything I have" feeling is making a horrible comeback.

=(

Now, these are feeling I thought I had learnt to control a long time ago, but they are here again.

In December of last year I move to the US. I got married to my boyfriend of two years and I haven't been back home since then. My mom and brother came to visit me in September. But moving away can take you to sad places in your mind that you didn't even know existed.
I am 24, I'm starting my life, I can't get a job in my field (translation or teaching), I am only now, and very slowly, starting to meet people... So I finished college, I moved away and now I feel like I am strating from zero. My life already is in total chaos. ANd now I have to get rid of the only (false) sennse of control I have? (controling my food)...

Not having gained any weight this year is the only thing that makes me feel like I'm not a failure. But now I feel that I will never be able to get rid of this excess weight that I DON'T WANT. This weight that I feel is a cover for something, that prevents me from being all the woman I could be.

And again... I am all the woman I can be. This weight is not preventing me from doing anything... so, why is it still there? Why doesn't it magically melt away?

I feel like a fat failure today.

ALO, Hi! :wave:
I feel as if I could have written your post myself just a few months ago. I think maybe I did. ;) Anyway, I felt compelled to tell you please don't give up! IE is a really long process that you can get through with some support. I read the book and tried IE 5 years ago. 5 years!! I am on my 3rd attempt at making this work and I finally feel as if I have it. The other times I just could not give up the diet mentality and I was very unhappy with my body and my self image. I just now can look in the mirror and not be disgusted with myself.

Here are some tips that helped me. I know you know what to do, and maybe your mistakes are not mine, but I just wanted to share what got me to the point where I am now. I eat anything I want until I am absolutely full. I really do make it to the last bite threshold. I don't mean stuffed, I mean full and satisfied. I find that at that point, I can go for hours afterward without even thinking about food. I can pass up stuff I used to love (cake, cookies, snacks) because #1, I know I can have it if I want it, and #2, right now I'm too full to want it.

I'm telling you this because when I tried IE other times, I would "cheat." I would stop eating before I was really full or I would eat in a "diet" way in an attempt to force it to work. I would also let myself get too hungry or just snack without filling up and it would make me feel really bad when I overate in response. There were some days I would never feel full and I would just keep eating all day because I didn't eat to the point of being satisfied.

As far as body image goes, I'm less focused on it now that the food is not controlling me. I'm able to concentrate on other things and it makes me feel better. Of course, I'm not where I would like to be, but I'm a lot more relaxed about it now. I have made a permanent change and I can't go back.

I hope this helps. :?: If it doesn't, then of course feel free to ignore me, but my intentions are in the right place. Take care of yourself!

Hello to everyone else!!! :wave: Have a great day!

ALO22
12-01-2009, 11:21 AM
Blue, Patty, Julie, Trish =)

Thanks so much for your replies. I've been considering journaling because I feel I need to put my thoughts in order, "tidy up the chaos" =) I thought about starting a blog, but I don't think I should go that public. As Blue said, this is for me, myself and I only.

I feel much better today.

have a nice and calm day, ladies =D

pattygirl63
12-01-2009, 01:07 PM
Hi Everyone,

ALO22 I'm sorry I had to close off this morning. I got my Beck book out and skimmed through it this morning. I have forgotten some of the skills and I couldn't remember the names of the cards I do, because I don't do them as that any more. I did find an interesting skill that I intend to implement. In fact, I think it was Julie who hit on this. If I remember right the book called it a Memory Sheet, but I think I will start Journaling it. Focus on what you do right and write it down. Don't focus on mistakes, slips or what you do wrong. Remember with IE there are no mistakes or slips because there are no "diet rules", in IE there are only learning experiences. If you feel guilty about something, it is probably a
diet thinking thing. However, think about what you ate? Why you ate it? And see if you learn something from the experience. How did the food make you feel? If you enjoyed it then write it down and read what you have written before. You probably will find that there is no justifiable reason to feel guilty. I try to follow 5 Golden Rules. I learned this from another IEr on another site, not my idea. However, I love it because it fits IE exactly. #1 When I am hungry, I will eat. #2 I'll eat what I like, not what I think I should eat. #3. I will eat slow and savour every bite. #4. I will stop eating when I am full. (I changed that to when I start to feel satisfied. This really works for me. Thanksgiving day, I felt so good about my eating and felt I had done a great job because I ate a little bit of everything I wanted to eat and enjoyed it and I was satisfied. Everyone else was talking about how full and stuffed they felt. For me this was a real accomplishment for me. Do I always succeed at this? No, but I figure that every success will get me closer to more successes until one day it will become a habit for me. I lost weight this way years ago before I ever heard of IE. I let it slip and now I'm having to retrain myself. Like theCandEs said, I could have written your post myself a while back and still could in some areas. That is why I learned to do some of the skills from the Beck Diet for life. I did the Response Cards where I say things like "I did so good today" which will now become a Journal thing. I learned to tell myself things like, I deserve to be thin and healthy. I like myself. It is okay to like myself. I am a good person. I looked at the positive things about me and I made cards that said those things and I read them everyday. I needed this because I had become so negative about me that I had no self-confidence at all my self esteem was so low. I even have one that I still read everyday. It says, "I will no longer allow any self-abuse. I will be good to myself. I will treat myself as well as I treat others". I made what Beck calls Advantage cards which reminds me of the advantages my way of eating will give me such as "I will feel good about myself" and "I will feel better physically". Of course you don't have to do any of this. Like the others, I'm sharing with you some of the things that works for me when I don't let that "diet" thinking creep in. It is a process and takes time. Hope this helps.

Well, I did so good during the holiday. I am up a bit today. Need to get rid of the scales. I'm going to try to go a month without weighing. This would probably help me a lot. I got over into the "diet" thinking yesterday and almost did that again today. Sharing with ALO, has helped me to get back on focus. It does help us to help others.

Have a great day Everyone.

sidhe
12-01-2009, 11:09 PM
Hello all. Such an interesting discussion I have been missing! We were out of town for the holiday, and then my computer burned itself up (smoke and everything!!) yesterday. Thankfully when we got it DH insisted on the extended warranty, and it still has 15 days left. So they're sending me a brand new one!! :D

Carol, :congrat:!! Liam Wallace is such an adult-sounding name. I'll bet he grows up to work on Wall Street or something international. ;)

ALO22, I soooooo sympathize with the "what do I do with my time now?" feeling. I've been on a diet in one way or another for most of my life. I've read all the books, studied all the diets...I even have two degrees in exercise-based sciences. To say I was obsessed is really minimizing my reality! When I finally, finally decided I had had enough, I found myself with piles of free time on my hands and free energy in my brain cells. I was, needless to say, a little bit lost.

I reached out to friends I had been neglecting. I paid more attention to my house, to cleaning and care around here. I had more time to spend with my husband. I picked up my journal again (as mentioned by others) and started keeping that again. I've started some other writing projects. Basically what I did was ask myself what I had been "putting on hold" until I was thin/had more time, and did all of that. I'm busy and happier, now, and food is slowly receeding as the center of my life. Some days it screams at me, but some days I honestly forget to eat until hours have passed and my stomach is seriously screaming at me. Some days I'm content with part of an apple with peanut butter for breakfast, and other days I'll look down and realize that I've completely forgotten to drink my now-stone-cold soy hot chocolate with a shot of orange flavoring because I'm so busy chatting with my friend and playing with her 3 year old.

You've had a lot of changes lately, and you're in a fantastic spot. This is your opportunity to make some solid, healthy decisions about where you want your life to go (or to continue going). Use this time. Try things you've always wanted to try. Put time into your marriage, of course, but also shape and define who you are as an individual. Dont' let food be the center of your life.

Wow, I either sound wise, or like I'm lecturing. ;)

lharvey, welcome to IE! Perfectionism is a bear of me, too. I've had it drummed into me ever since I was little that I had to be perfect, smart, always have the right answer, never let my weaknesses show...it's **** trying to live that way. Part of what has been helping me deal with it is consciously telling myself that I am okay, that my choices are okay. Like if I eat something, my mantra is "eat what you want, no judgment and move on." If I'm at the gym and I'm judging another person (one of my bad habits) or myself, I snap my attention back and think, "everyone is doing what is right for them."

I figure perfectionism is a bad habit, and I'm very consciously trying to break it. :D

My DH wants his computer back, so I must run!

Blue Serenity
12-01-2009, 11:33 PM
... my computer burned itself up (smoke and everything!!) yesterday. Thankfully when we got it DH insisted on the extended warranty, and it still has 15 days left. So they're sending me a brand new one!! :D

Whoa! Good for you! (Not that the computer broke!) What timing! Glad you can get a new one.

carolr3639
12-02-2009, 06:26 PM
Really tired from babysitting but it is worth it. We've been eating out a lot lately but now I'm home again and getting back to regular food. We live quite a ways from restraunts so home cooking fits the bill.

pattygirl63
12-02-2009, 09:47 PM
Carolr I understand about the babysitting. I'm like a friend at church said to me one day, there comes a time when it is time for the younger ones to do it. I used to babysit all the time and I love being with our grandchildren, but don't have the stamina to do full time any more. Tony's DD is having a baby boy in April or May and there is a part of me that wishes we still lived in FL so I could take care of him instead of putting him with someone else. I did that with the youngest girl and I'm disappointed he won't know us like the others do. I feel that way about my great grandaughters. But DH reminds me that I am not physically able to do it any more. Someone recently sent me one of those question things and one of the questions was "Where is your favorite places to east?" I was really shocked when I found myself answering "at home". At home I have more control of what I eat and how it is prepared. No surprise ingredients I don't know about.

sidhe Sorry about your pc. Samething happened to my monitor not long after Tony and I first married. His little grandaughter was playing a game on it and it started smoking. Tony grabbed it up and took it outside. She knew she hadn't done anything, but just knew she was going to blamed for it. I spent the rest of the afternoon assuring her that it wasn't her fault and that it would have happened with me or anyone else. I ended up with a new and better one out of it. So glad you can get it replaced.

Blue :wave:

I am definitely past dieting the last few days. I'm not spending time thinking about food all the time. It feels like something has happened and I felt like some sort of a change in feelings and thoughts has come over me and my whole attitude is different about food and diets. Maybe it could be a feeling of peace concerning food. It is a wonderful feeling. I just hope I can keep it and don't lose the focus that I feel I've suddenly been blessed with.

lharvey180
12-02-2009, 09:47 PM
So small triumph last night went out to dinner with the hubby. We ordered onion rings..(Which are fantastic!!) And our entree. Usually would have eaten the appetizer and most if not all the meal. But last night after sharing the app and two bites of my meal..I was done!! AND had leftovers for lunch the next day! Nothing huge!! But it was so nice to not leave a restaraunt stuffed to the gills and feeling sick!!

I do need some advice though. First I am a coffee adict!! Love the stuff...I can easily have three or more cups a day..but these add up (calorie wise) how do you manage non food type of urges?? I mean coffe doesn't fill you up..so if I am not particularly hungry should I avoid having a cup??

2nd...usually I pack a lunch for work..I have a certain time in which to eat my lunch. What do I do if I am not hungry at that time? I work in a service/retail type of environment. (I'm an optician) If I don't eat during my scheduled lunch time, its hard to get the time in later on which leads me to be famished later on?

Any suggestions?? Thanks!!

BTW...am very happy to have found this forum!! Everyone seems so helpful and supportive!! Which coming back from the brink of a eating disorder and major depression means wonders!!

I hope I can give back in some way once I am better aclimated to this lifestyle!!

Blue Serenity
12-03-2009, 10:04 AM
Hi everyone! :wave:

So small triumph last night went out to dinner with the hubby. We ordered onion rings..(Which are fantastic!!) And our entree. Usually would have eaten the appetizer and most if not all the meal. But last night after sharing the app and two bites of my meal..I was done!! AND had leftovers for lunch the next day! Nothing huge!! But it was so nice to not leave a restaraunt stuffed to the gills and feeling sick!!

I do need some advice though. First I am a coffee adict!! Love the stuff...I can easily have three or more cups a day..but these add up (calorie wise) how do you manage non food type of urges?? I mean coffe doesn't fill you up..so if I am not particularly hungry should I avoid having a cup??

2nd...usually I pack a lunch for work..I have a certain time in which to eat my lunch. What do I do if I am not hungry at that time? I work in a service/retail type of environment. (I'm an optician) If I don't eat during my scheduled lunch time, its hard to get the time in later on which leads me to be famished later on?

Any suggestions?? Thanks!!

BTW...am very happy to have found this forum!! Everyone seems so helpful and supportive!! Which coming back from the brink of a eating disorder and major depression means wonders!!

I hope I can give back in some way once I am better aclimated to this lifestyle!!

Great victory there, lharvey! I love bringing leftovers home from a restaurant! Especially when it's something I really, really enjoyed. It's like - BONUS! lol

Coffee. Hmmm. I'm a tea drinker myself and can easily drink a whole pot of iced tea a day. (I make it decaf with just a touch of "caf" for more flavor.) I use splenda in my tea, so I don't worry about calories. Are you opposed to using artificial sweeteners? If not, that may be the way to go. (There are also stevia products on the market now, which is a natural no calorie sweetener.) I bought a box of Sun Crystals to try, which is a mixture of sugar and stevia that I am using when I drink hot tea. There's only 5 calories per packet. (Not that I'm counting calories, but I do try to avoid drinking too many as in regular sodas, they can add up!)

Another thing you could try is adding a glass of water between coffees. You may find that you don't need or want as much coffee. I did this for a while with my tea and I did find that I wasn't drinking as much tea by adding the water.

The lunch thing can be tricky. There's different ways you could handle that situation. One thing you could do is lighten up on breakfast so that you are hungry when it is time for lunch. This may solve the problem easily.

Or you could eat lunch anyways and forget about it. IE doesn't have to be perfect (this is a biggie that I'm learning as a perfectionist). You may find that sometimes it is necessary to eat when you're not truly belly-growling hungry, as in your case of restricted time. The thing is to make it work for you and your lifestyle and not get hung up with "Oh no, I ate and I wasn't hungry, I can't do this." The "rules" aren't carved in stone. IE has to be flexible. And if you do find yourself eating when it's lunch time and you're not truly hungry, try experimenting to see how much you can get by on. It may be that all you need is a light lunch to get you thru until snack or dinner time if breakfast is holding you over.

Personally, I wouldn't skip lunch if I know that there isn't an opportunity to eat it later due to a work schedule. The problem with skipping is that you may end up with low blood sugar, a headache, jittery-feeling and irritable and that would just make the rest of your day uncomfortable for you.

Others may have some ideas for you too ...

Well, I gotta scoot. Have a great one! :sunny:

carolr3639
12-03-2009, 11:48 AM
Great advice, Blue, I can't think of anything else to add. I'm hungry now and going to fix myself a bowl of homemade soup. Great day for it with snow flakes blowing around.

lackadaisy
12-03-2009, 12:20 PM
Coffee actually acts as a hunger suppressant -- but only if you drink it black! So as long as you are drinking black coffee, you shouldn't worry about it for diet reasons. (Being overstimulated has its own drawbacks, of course... but that's a separate matter, or at least it is to me.)

ALO22
12-03-2009, 10:19 PM
Ladies, thanks to everyone for all the replies! A lot of valuable advise =)
I also feel very tempted to cheat and actually diet, eating considerably smaller portions. I should just relax and nt think about it until I actually get hungry and then eat something yummy and then forget about food until the next time I'm hungry!

You know what I noticed? I am eating more than usual because I feel guilty about the foods I'm eating! It's something I used to do: when I think I shouldn't be eating something, I eat it faster and finish the whole thing! ahhahaha, i have so many issues it's ridiculous!!! :dizzy:

The other thing I've noticed is that I am really bloated! My belly looks like I'm 6 months pregnants :?: but my pants are falling off... anyway, now I'm babbling.

Thanks again for all your advice. I was really feeling sad. I am feeling much better now =)

lharvey180
12-05-2009, 08:24 AM
ALO22- The dieting mentality can be hard to shake huh! Yesterday I found myself eating carrot sticks and hummus (a diet food combo I used to eat all the time) I actually really like hummus, but I like it more with pita bread slices! Its silly the things we are so conditioned to do after years of dieting! I am still having a hard time stopping myself from adding up calories in my head..like a running taly for the day.

I guess I am just worried that my body will settle at a natural weight and I still won't be happy there..But I guess that's part of accepting your body the way it is...which I haven't done! Ugh, this IE is quite the learning process!

Anyways..moving on! Accomplishment for yesterday..I ate 1 cookie for desert last night..just 1..amazing! Cookies were always a forbidden food, so allowing them into my house was terrifying! But turns out its just a cookie..not some evil entity that is out to malke me fat..lol!

Hope everyone has a good weekend..I'm off to go Christmas Shoping! Tis the Season for crowded malls!

carolr3639
12-05-2009, 12:25 PM
That's amazing.....one cookie. My friend. Lily, finally posted again. She needs a liver transplant soon. She has been on prednisone for a long time so she has a compromised immune system and is sick a lot.

ALO22
12-07-2009, 08:23 PM
Carol, I hope everything goes well for Lily!!!


Hi everyone. I think I am making progress :) if anything, I am much more relaxed and enjoying my body and my sanity XD

I hope everyone is doing well!

JulieJ08
12-07-2009, 08:44 PM
Last night I had dinner at Corner Bakery (by myself, so I was there a long time, reading). Not only did I not finish my sandwich (mmm, panini), I didn't finish my chips. I like those chips, they're a bit thicker than most. Several times I wanted to, out of habit: there's chips, I should eat them, they taste good. But I wasn't hungry, so I didn't. It felt really nice. I don't know why that habit of eating things just because they are there can be so hard to break. Feeling like I could I have more if I was hungry (I wasn't refraining for diet reasons), and like I could come back for more any time I wanted (because I'm not dieting), definitely helps. I didn't have to eat them "while I could." I don't know why, but my ability, and inclination, to stop, with less food, is becoming easier lately.

carolr3639
12-07-2009, 11:09 PM
Way to go Julie and ALO22!!!

carolr3639
12-08-2009, 08:12 PM
The strangest thing happened tonight at supper. I felt kind of sick and was really not hungry but I ate a little and felt better. Now what's with that?

ALO22
12-08-2009, 09:50 PM
hahaha, carol! It's happened to me before, especially if I haven't eaten in a while, I am past my level of hunger to the point where food make me a little bit sick, but after eating a little, I feel much better.

So, I feel like someone who just found religion and needs to preach to everyone! LOL Everytime one of those weight loss shows (which I used to LOVE) are on, I can't stand them @_@ and the other day I was talking to someone about this dessert, which sounded delicious, and she made a remark about how it would taste so good but all those calories!!! and it made me cringe. LOL

I wanted to thank everyone again for your support after my post a couple of weeks ago (or whenever it was). I think I just needed to get off my chest. I feel so much better now. I am actually looking forward to going to the gym every day, it makes me feel so good, and it's showing already after only a month (I don't really have that much weight to lose); I haven't weighed myself in a week (I used to weigh myself every day, more than once a day) and I try to respect all my body signals, not just hunger: If I'm tired, I don't eat chocolate, I take a nap (providing I'm not at work), if I am too tired to work out, I don't force myself to the gym, I gather it is better to just relax and rest (whereas in a diet mentality I would drag myself to the gym just to burn some extra calories).

And intuitive eating per se is working great :) now that I listen to my body and don't obsess over it, I am so much more relax that even my sex life is better :$ but I don't want to get too personal, LOL

I love this thread, thank you all of you for being there!

ps: oh, and I forgot, when I go to other threads and read about people counting every single calorie, I also get mad! hahahaha, I need to calm down about that.

JulieJ08
12-08-2009, 10:22 PM
lharvey, I think you can worry about if you're happy with your body when you get there, you might just be borrowing a problem you won't have! In any event, I think if you get to that point, you can evaluate if you're really happy with your lifestyle and habits, or whether there's still something you need to adjust, rather than making a change just for weight loss.

That one cookie thing sure does feel strange when it happens, doesn't it? :)

Carol, I don't know. Sometimes you need a little food to settle things, I guess.

ALO, it's funny, once you start being intuitive about your eating, you realize you can be intuitive about everything in your life ;)

So, tonight I followed up Sunday's success with eating past my happy point. Not horribly, but binging isn't usually my battle anymore. But it's all OK, it's all progress :)

lharvey180
12-09-2009, 05:38 PM
Ugh! Past few days I haven't been doing well. I think I have just been stressed out which is a big trigger for me to overeat. I tried to ask myself am I really hungry and most of the time the answer was no, yet I ate anyways! Being bored is a big trigger too especially afternoons at work!
I hope that I will eventually get to the point that I won't have to ask myself are you hungry...are you satisfied..and just know and act accordingly!
I would like to know though..have all you seasoned IE-ers seen a change in what you are craving. Me personally I am still craving pop tarts for breakfast!! When does this change take place!

JulieJ08
12-09-2009, 05:47 PM
lharvey, I have seen a big change. A lot of that came from work I did before I found IE - greatly reducing your sugar and refined carb intake will do that ;) But I have found that even more than a year later, my sweet tooth and cravings are still getting less and less.

I still have trouble resisting things when they're in front of me. But I rarely crave anything that's not in front of me.

Honestly, I never quite believed that you could expect your cravings to change a lot while still eating a lot of junk and sweets. I crave veggies now, but I went years and years and years eating whatever the heck I wanted (all junk), and didn't end up craving veggies. I know that's not the party line :shrug:

I do find that really applying IE and really giving myself permissions does help against cravings, in addition to what eating healthy does for it. It really does. - But for me, it's secondary.

pattygirl63
12-10-2009, 12:03 AM
Hi Everyone

Just a flyby to say hello. Everything is fine, just a lot of busy, busy going on right now. Will get back when I can. Hope everyone is doing fine.

JulieJ08
12-10-2009, 12:48 AM
This may sound strange, but I really enjoyed a big bowl of plain air-popped corn tonight :) I just happen to like it that way, always have. I like it buttered too, but my gut has to be feeling strong for that, and today was iffy on that score. The plain popcorn was perfect, and ye olde gallbladder is quiet. So all's good. I have become such a bird-like eater at dinner lately.

Ally Cat
12-10-2009, 01:10 AM
Hey all! I'm recovering from an eating disorder and since i'm finally at a stable weight and eating a variety of foods without too much anxiety surrounding them, my therapist has me reading and following Intuitive Eating. I've read the book a few years back for another therapist but i never really wanted to beat my ED until this past year. So, i did some research and found this thread and thought it would be awesome to get some support on intuitive eating! I look forward to meeting you guys and getting to know you!

Blue Serenity
12-10-2009, 10:05 AM
Hello everyone! :wave:

Welcome Ally Cat! We're glad to have you here with us. This is a great place for IE support.

I'm doing a flyby today myself. Tis the season to be busy!

Have a great one! :sunny:

JulieJ08
12-10-2009, 11:45 AM
Welcome, Ally Cat! I look forward to your ideas and posts :)

Ally Cat
12-10-2009, 08:18 PM
Day 2 of intuitive eating....

It's liberating to eat without worrying about the calories in it but it's also weird for my anxiety. I'm eating all healthy foods and stopping when I'm full so surely i'm ok lol It's interesting and for me its probably the best thing in the world. After years of restricting my food it's nice to have a bite of my boyfriends protein bar and not freak out because of the calories and sugar. I'm doing well so far!

WannaBeSerene
12-11-2009, 12:53 PM
I find this very interesting. I stumbled upon this thread when I searched on the term, “embrace hunger”.

For the past week, I’ve decided to stop eating all the time. Seriously, it’s like I had to eat as soon as I no longer felt full. In this very short amount of time, I’ve found myself kind of looking forward to that feeling of hunger. This might sound odd, but it gives me a slight “edgy” feel. Not in a bad way, more as in “on top of my game”. And now when I do eat, I really enjoy it because I know I need to eat instead of feeling guilty about eating.

The scale is moving down and I’m feeling great.

JulieJ08
12-11-2009, 01:08 PM
Welcome, WannaBeSerene. With a screenname like that, I bet IE is for you :)

carolr3639
12-11-2009, 03:28 PM
I've made some recent discoveries with food lately. I love milk but haven't had any for 4 years due to problems with high blood calcium. I've been using soy milk but could never drink it plain. I knew it was low carb so I added 2t of sugar to my glass and walla.........it's pretty close to milk. Isn't that crazy? I have been really craving dessert again but nothing sound or tastes particularly good. Today I remembered how much I like ice cream cones and did that ever taste good. It's the cone that I like as I'm not really crazy about it plain. So something new every day.

lharvey180
12-14-2009, 09:05 AM
So I am starting to realize some things over the past week or so...I overeat or eat things I know will make me feel crappy to punish myself! I had a bad weekend we had some financial issues and I found myself digging into a bag of potato chips and dip...and having a stomach ache and feeling like I deserved the stomach ache..its like if I feel bad emotionally I need to make myself feel bad physically too.. Wow how messed up is that! I'm just feeling really low, like I will never get to a place where I have a healthy relationship with food.

JulieJ08
12-14-2009, 11:02 AM
lharvey, do you have any other outlet for your feelings? If not, maybe that's why it comes out in food.

carolr3639
12-14-2009, 11:10 AM
iharvey, I think we all get in that predicament but it's best just to acknowledge it and move on. Recently I realized that I'm so much hungrier when it is below zero outside. I usually gain about 5lb in the winter and sometimes I get worried that it won't come off but for 4 yr. it has come off in the summer. I have come to the conclusion that the worst thing I can do is to starve myself. That sets me up for weight gain.

carolr3639
12-14-2009, 11:11 AM
iharvey, I can't remember if you told us how you lost the 60lb that you did before you came to IE.

sidhe
12-14-2009, 11:30 AM
Carol, sounds normal to me--more body fat = more warmth, right? I've always heard it's natural to gain a bit of winter weight when the weather is colder. Good for you for not trying to control it and just letting it be what it is! :)

lharvey, why do you feel you need to be punished? It must be hard to trust yourself, if you're always poised to judge and punish yourself. :hug:

For the first time this morning I woke up craving salad. SERIOUSLY craving it! I have always said that I can do veggies in the morning only if they're in an omelette--otherwise I just can't face them. But this morning, for some reason, I really really wanted a greek salad that I had for dinner last night. I got up and put the lettuce in the bowl, chopped a roma tomato and a cucumber, added the greek dressing and re-heated some lamb from last night, sprinkled on a tiny bit of feta cheese...OMG YUM! I'm willing to do veggies in the morning if it's like this! :D

DH has been fighting post-nasal drip and a cough and "retching" for the last 3 months, and he's finally turned himself over to me--he says he'll finally follow my suggestions. I've got him on echinacea, oil of oregano and a good multivitamin. He says he'll eat whatever I tell him to, so I've got him getting veggies at every meal except breakfast. Breakfast is plain greek yogurt with local honey. Any more suggestions to boost his immune system?

JulieJ08
12-14-2009, 11:46 AM
It sounds like it might be more allergic than viral.

My nose is congested or runny a lot, but it doesn't seem to be pollen. I decided to not eat wheat or dairy for a bit and see if it makes any difference. At the very least, if it doesn't, I can stop wondering if that could be part of it.

lharvey180
12-14-2009, 03:01 PM
Well before IE I went through years of yo yo dieting. The 60 pounds I lost were a result of starving myself and exercising for 2 hrs a day! Not healthy and I def don't want to go back there again. Its seems weird to confide in total strangers but growing up I had to be perfect..my brother was constantly in trouble mixed up in drugs and in and out of lockup...so I had to be the good child..my parents had enough to worry about. Seems silly that I still carry this need to be perfect into my adult hood. Everything I do has to be perfect...if its not I punish myself..I don't really know how to break free from this..
On a plus I have a great husband and great friends who try to keep me from being too hard on myself.

carolr3639
12-14-2009, 08:56 PM
I understand what you mean about your brother. I had a similar upbringing. I never forget when my mom came to visit once. I had a 5mo old baby and was pretty out of shape. That was my 5rh child. She was so disappointed in me. The cool thing was I was so tired of struggling that I just gave up and lost 10 lb in the next 3mo. I new nothing of IE then so it didn't last. That was 30 yr. ago.

ALO22
12-14-2009, 09:37 PM
Hola a todas!

wannabeserene, what an appropiate screen name for this thread =) I think that's the number one appealing factor in IE: no more craziness... just a bit of peace of mind.

Carol --> I'm experimenting more iwth food too. I think I am eating too much bread, my belly feels swollen and big all the time, even though my pants are feeling loose and I can actually fit into two pair of pants that didn't fit me just a few weeks ago =D But I decided to cut back on bread and flour a little bit and see if my belly gets less swollen.
And I've also been feel much hungrier lately... or rather I've been getting hungry more often. And real hunger, it's not in my head. My belly complains.

lharvey --> I do the same. Specially if I am very hormonal, I get depressed and start the self loathing and punishment by eating. I think it's my remaining big hurdle with IE: the extremes. If I am extremely sad or extremely happy, I'll overeat. It seems that I am able to control the middles, which are like 75% of normal life. But that 25% I'm working on.

Ally Cat --> How is IE working out for you?

Sorry I didn't post in a few days, I didn't forget about you =) Thanks for being there!

JulieJ08
12-14-2009, 10:12 PM
I think I am eating too much bread, my belly feels swollen and big all the time, even though my pants are feeling loose and I can actually fit into two pair of pants that didn't fit me just a few weeks ago =D But I decided to cut back on bread and flour a little bit and see if my belly gets less swollen.

That's what's neat about IE to me. Somehow when you adjust your diet because you naturally discovered what suits you, it feels *so* different from trying to follow some rule, even if the behavior is the same. :)

And I've also been feel much hungrier lately... or rather I've been getting hungry more often.

I'm finding those are the same things (how much food I'm hungry for over the course of the day, and how *often* I'm hungry). It's nice when hunger isn't a 4-letter word any more.

lharvey180
12-14-2009, 10:47 PM
Well went to the gym today and swam laps in the pool..so feeling a bit better. I really think I need to set more time aside for exercise which I haven't been doing lately. Tomm is a new day!

carolr3639
12-15-2009, 10:28 AM
Here's an interesting article from Michelle May MD that came to my email.


December 2009 E-News


Recipe for Overeating

Ingredients:Whole pizza
1 batch, bag, box, or large plate of food
2 tablespoons of deprivation
1 heaping teaspoon of guilt
Sprinkle of shame
Optional: fatigue, stress, resentment, loneliness, boredom

Directions:

1. Run yourself down physically by not sleeping, exercising, eating when you’re hungry, or consuming nutritious foods. Alternatively, wear yourself out by working too hard, being all things to all people, and trying to make everything perfect.
2. Place emotions on medium-high. Cover and simmer; do not allow steam to escape.
3. When you crave something you love, remind yourself that it's bad, fattening, or high in carbs.
4. When your cravings grow stronger, tell yourself that you're bad for wanting bad food.
5. Wait until an influential person such as your grandmother or co-worker insists you eat that food anyway to please them. Alternatively, sneak the food when no one is watching.
6. Sit down in front of the T.V. or choose another activity to distract yourself while you eat.
7. Before eating, garnish the food with guilt. If it’s still enjoyable, stir in some shame to ensure that the food is completely ruined.
8. Eat as quickly as possible to avoid tasting or enjoying the food.
9. You're done when you feel sick and uncomfortable.
10. Repeat steps 1-9 until can't stand it anymore. Try the Recipe for Instinctive Eating.

Recipe for Instinctive Eating

Ingredients:Slice of pizza
1 or 2 servings of food you love
2 tablespoons of intention
1 heaping teaspoon of attention
Sprinkle of trust
Optional: pleasure, enjoyment, celebration, tradition

Directions:

1. Care for yourself physically by getting adequate sleep, exercise, and nutrition.
2. Create a self-care buffer zone by regularly nurturing your body, mind, heart, and spirit.
3. When you’re hungry, consider what you want, what you need, and what you have to eat before choosing food.
4. Decide how you want to feel when you're finished eating; serve yourself accordingly (or adjust the portion if someone else served you).
5. When the food you crave isn’t particularly healthful, omit all guilt and shame. Remind yourself that all foods fit when you practice balance, variety, and moderation.
6. Sit down to eat and minimize distractions.
7. Savor the appearance, aromas, textures, and flavors as you eat.
8. Eat slowly and mindfully for maximal enjoyment from every bite.
9. Stop when you feel content and energetic.
10. Repeat steps 1-9 for the remainder of your life.

JulieJ08
12-15-2009, 11:37 AM
That's pretty nice :)

ALO22
12-15-2009, 09:47 PM
Wow, Carol, that is very good.

I am punishing myself with food today. I woke up today with my mind set on not eating so much bread. I hardly ate any bread before but since starting IE, I'm eating a lot of floury things. Anyway, bottomline, I ate a ton of bread. I actually craved bagels with cream cheese. I had two today. I had never had two bagels in one day before.
And then I went to the gym, and I kept looking at myself in the mirror feeling disgusted. Sometimes I even think maybe I'm one of those women who didn't know they were pregnant and my only symptom is a big round hard belly O_O (yes, my belly is actually very hard, that's why I think it's mostly bloating... fat is not very hard).
And I know no-one, absolutely no-one in the gym is judging me or anything. I know is just me being sooo hard on myself. I looked at myself in the mirror for like 15 minutes and just stared at my belly and hated it. And I think maybe I should just give up IE. If I was dieting together with the exercise I already do, I would look amazing.

And then I come home and punish myself with food. I gulped my dinner down feeling guilty even before eating it.

AAAhhhh, life isn't easy, is it? =)

I am not quiting IE. I'm just documenting the ups and downs... I actually think I've lost some weight since I'm fitting into pants I couldn't wear before. But even then I think maybe those 2 pairs of pants just stretched and that's why they fit.

Once again, ladies, thanks for being there.

carolr3639
12-16-2009, 09:24 AM
Hey,alo22, I have the same problems. Just recently my belly has gotten a bit smaller so it doesn't bug me quite so much but if you read all the posts in all the IE threads you would know it has bugged me over the years. After 10 kids, I suppose I shouldn't complain. Nevertheless, I still have those days that I dream of dieting but I know from 30 yr. experience that it won't work for me.

Blue Serenity
12-16-2009, 10:47 AM
Carol, I absolutely :love:loved:love: that recipe post. Think I'll print that one out. It's a keeper!

ALO, I can't remember, but has it only been recently that you have started IE? If so, please remember that as we give ourselves permission to eat again we will naturally gravitate towards those things we have restricted. Bread is a biggie, since we've all been brain-washed into thinking that bread has horns, a tail and wields a pitchfork. Most ex-dieters (especially those who restricted carbs) have pretty much abandoned bread while dieting (only to scarf it down when the diet was off). Naturally, we've created an unhealthy relationship with those kinds of foods - a love-hate relationship - and now that the diet is off because of IE, we suddenly realize we can eat the stuff again and there you have it ... cravings for bread and eating it like it won't be there tomorrow, because in the past, it wasn't allowed to be there tomorrow because tomorrow we were starting another diet, so we had to end our sinful relationship with it right then and there. (Gee, that was a run-on sentence!)

So anyhow, it is quite natural to experience what you've described about the bread cravings ... along with the bloating from way too much refined flour ... along with the guilt ... and shame ... and self-hatred that goes along with that! If you stick with IE, it will get better. I thought I would never get to a sane place but I finally am. I still hate when I am bloated (as if being overweight isn't enough!) But remember, even skinny people can get bloated on flour! We just have to work thru the IE as we repair our relationship with food day by day, bite by bite. Eventually bread will release its grip on you. It's just been placed up on a pedestal where its been worshipped, so it is lording over the dieter and ex-dieter alike. Bread has to be brought back down among the "common" food where it isn't viewed as special anymore. That's a process that takes a little time and a lot of patience and effort. I can honestly say that bread is just a take-it or leave-it food to me, just as Reeses Peanut Butter Cups (or any other food for that matter). I am no longer held captive by them. :) Hang in there!

It is good that you want to record the ups and downs. That's exactly what I've done here at 3FC (and in my personal journal). It helps you to get your thoughts in order. It lets you vent when you need to. And, by publicly sharing your experiences like we do at 3FC, others don't feel so all alone when they realize that somebody else has been there and understands the frustration. And, sometimes all we need is to know that somebody is listening!:hug:

Blue Serenity
12-16-2009, 11:43 AM
I was just thinking about "body acceptance" and IE. When I first started following IE, the concept of body acceptance was very, very foreign to me. After all, the whole reason I was in this overweight mess was because I was trying to reach some ideal weight and size. So I was certainly not interested in accepting my body the way it was. Even reading about body acceptance in the IE book made me cringe. "What? You want me to like my body? You must be out of your mind!" But, interestingly, without even realizing it (until now) I am OK with it. I'm not saying I will never desire to be thin, but I am suddenly aware that I am much less critical of myself. I used to feel like "I have to lose this weight now. I hate it." And I could plan in my mind how long it *should* take (if I was *good* and stuck to my plan - sarcasm there). And in my mind I was setting up some kind of progress plan - if I stick to my plan then in 2 months I can lose approximately "X" pounds and THEN I'll be happy. Ugh! What a setup for failure!

But my mind isn't working that way anymore! As I was just sitting here thinking about the process of IE and how it works I came to the realization that I would much rather have sanity and freedom with IE than pounds lost at the cost of dieting and insanity (read that: eating disorder). Suddenly, I am aware that the need to lose the weight quickly is gone. And the urge to run to a diet to "fix" my weight problem is gone too. (I was constantly toying with the idea of restricting my carbs while doing IE.) I think I have finally reached that place of having it all sink in. It is totally liberating to be relaxed around food.

It's like, when you read the IE book for the first time, a very long process is presented to you in a very short format. It is not necessarily easy to grasp some of the concepts if you are not mentally prepared to do so. That is why I just cringed at the thought of accepting my body at first, but now it is no big deal. I had to be brought along to a point where sane eating was more important to me than pounds lost. And it is!!!

I just love this and had to share!

JulieJ08
12-16-2009, 11:53 AM
Ack, I don't have much time right now, but I wanted to say, ALO, that it's great that you can express *whatever* you're feeling.

ALO22
12-16-2009, 12:19 PM
Thanks, ladies, for not calling the state hospital every time I wrtie one of my depressing posts:lol:

Blue Serenity, your posts were absolutly spot on. I read them twice, to take everything in. Sometimes I get so ahead of myself thinking that I already know everything there is to know about IE (ha, right!) and I get impatient with myself. No new behavior there.

So, tomorrow I'm picking up my best friend from the airport (she's from Argentina). She's staying with us for a couple of months. I am super excited. Living with her and James (dh), two naturally thin people, two Winters ago, was what finally opened my eyes: it was possible to be active and eat whatever you liked in a totally healthy and sane way! We spent that whole Winter skiing every day and having so much fun!

We work at a ski resort. I used to hate any kind of exercise, or thought I hated it because of my experiences in PE classes in school, but then I learnt to ski and the mountain became our playground and I felt like the child I never was! because even as I child I was so sedentary, I would never play outside with other kids.

In a way, I feel like coming to terms with my body (or the proses of) is like going back to the ideal childhood, with no self-consciousness.

carolr3639
12-19-2009, 09:46 AM
I'm still having trouble with middle of the night hunger that makes it hard to sleep and in early morning I'm usually ravenous. The only time I'm not is when I eat a good sized meal at 7pm or later. Any suggestions because I'm not one to get up in the night and eat. Makes me feel yuck.

carolr3639
12-21-2009, 09:55 PM
The hunger has simmered down some. Here is an interesting note from Yahoo news.

Our appetites can be quite the pranksters. It often fools us to think we are hungry, when often, we may be suffering from something completely different. Distinguishing between false hunger and true hunger will help you know when your body really needs food and when it needs something else.

1. Hunger Due to Eating the Wrong Food: Symptoms include craving high sugar foods or feeling “hungry” soon after eating a meal. If you just had a big meal that is high in simple carbohydrates and did not contain fiber, protein or healthy fat, all of which help provide a sense of satiety, you may have experienced a drop in blood sugar. In this case, have a healthy snack, such as a piece of fresh fruit and nuts, or cottage cheese or celery and peanut butter or 1/2 of a sandwich on whole grain bread).
2. Emotional Hunger: Sometimes, our appetites can go haywire when we are experiencing boredom, fear, anxiety, stress or loneliness. Try taking a walk, journaling, listening to some favorite music, calling a friend or chewing a piece of mint gum instead. Read a book, go to a “safe place” like a library or museum or park where you will not be tempted to overeat or distracted by food. Take a bath, meditate, or think about what REALLY would satisfy you, vs. eating to stuff down emotions you do not want to confront.
3. Hunger Due to Sleepiness: Experts at www.WebMD.com state that two major hormones, leptin and ghrelin, affect and control sensations of hunger and fullness. Ghrelin stimulates appetite, while leptin, made in fat cells, alerts the brain that you have had enough to eat. Lack of sleep causes a significant drop in leptin levels as well as an increase in ghrelin levels, a so called double whammy for appetite control and feelings of satiety. Daytime fatigue may lead people to overeat (often, high sugar, nutrient poor foods) in an attempt to get an extra surge of energy. This is equivalent to placing a Band-Aid on the true problem. It provides only temporary relief, which is soon followed by a crash in energy levels and a resurgence of “hunger” leading to more snacking, increased sugar cravings, etc….a vicious cycle. If you are feeling mid-afternoon hunger pains, try: a brisk 10 min walk around the block (fresh air helps, as does exercise, to boost alertness and increase circulation), a cup of green tea (high in antioxidants and low in caffeine relative to coffee), a 1/4 cup of almonds and a small apple (high in protein, healthy fat and carbohydrates, low in sugar, and a good source of magnesium and fiber). Even taking a few deep breaths can help curb fatigue!
4. Hunger Due to Thirst: We often mistake thirst for hunger. Try drinking a glass or two of water to identify whether you are truly hungry or just slightly dehydrated, in which case water is the perfect antidote!

When you are really experiencing true hunger, however, it is pretty clear to identify. For instance, a growling stomach will cause us to be cranky and unfocused…until we get some food, that is! If it has been four hours since your last meal or snack, you may well be truly hungry. Don’t ignore true hunger…doing so may exacerbate it and cause you to overeat to compensate for the missed calories. It is important to eat regularly and consistently to keep energy levels elevated and avoid dips in blood sugar. Try to include fruits and vegetables at each meal and snack, along with some protein (cheese, beans, lean meat/poultry/fish) and some healthy fat (avocado, olives, nuts, oil). This whole foods approach will help keep you at a healthy weight and lessen the likelihood for emotional hunger to rear its head!

Written by Brooke Joanna Benlifer, RD (www.brookejoannanutrition.com) for Sheer Balance

Blue Serenity
12-22-2009, 11:53 AM
Good article, Carol.

If you still experience the hunger, try having a lite snack just before bed (if digestion doesn't tend to bother you and keep you awake).

I've been so busy, haven't had much time for posting but wanted to check in. Company's coming Thursday so I have got to get my house in order! I feel like it's been one step forward and two steps back around here lately.

Take care and :candy: Merry Christmas :candy: everyone if I don't see you before then! Have a great one! :sunny:

ALO22
12-23-2009, 12:20 PM
hi ladies, sorry i haven't been posting lately! Been busy having fun.

IE is going really well!!! all of you, happy holidays and have a great beginning for 2010!!!! (I'm sure I'll post before that, though)

carolr3639
12-24-2009, 01:16 PM
Hope all are surviving the storms that are in the midwest and also the food, so abundant right nowl

pattygirl63
12-24-2009, 07:43 PM
Haven't been here in a while. Just wanted to stop by and say I hope you all have a

Merry Christmas

JulieJ08
12-24-2009, 09:03 PM
Merry Christmas :)

sidhe
12-25-2009, 10:32 PM
Merry Christmas, all. Whether you celebrate the holiday or not, I hope everyone is doing well. :)

pattygirl63
12-26-2009, 11:59 AM
I'm still having trouble with middle of the night hunger that makes it hard to sleep and in early morning I'm usually ravenous. The only time I'm not is when I eat a good sized meal at 7pm or later. Any suggestions because I'm not one to get up in the night and eat. Makes me feel yuck.

Carol I read a diet program (and I'm not promoting a diet) where part of the plan is eating a small snack before bedtime. It seems that some people need that. The point was not so much eating it as it was debunking the myth of "you should never eat before going to bed". It even told people to eat when they get up during the night if they needed it. The program was more smaller meals and snacks every few hours so it was not one of those eat all you want kind of diets. So perhaps for some reason your body is telling you that it needs a little something at those times. It may be one of those learning to listen to your body times and see what it needs. I say your post after this so maybe it is just another process of IE.

Let me add that I cannot eat before I go to bed because I can't seem to rest after even the very smallest snack or even a shake before going to bed. It didn't take me long to figure out that it would never be an option for me. Also, I would not trust eating during the night because I'm afraid it would become habit for me. Another thing where we learn how things work for us individually.

pattygirl63
12-26-2009, 12:22 PM
Hi Everyone,

I hope everyone is doing well and had a nice Christmas. Those of you experiencing all the snow? You can send some to me.:dizzy:

I've settled into a low carb woe. However, I did allow myself to eat whatever I wanted Christmas day. I know I do better with low carb and I feel better eating it, but I don't want to lose my IE way of eating either so I am combining them. It really works for me because I don't have any cravings.

Carol I enjoyed the article. Thanks for sharing it. It is right on. We went out for Tony's birthday Christmas eve. We went to a restaurant that his son had sent us gift card to last Christmas because we still had some money on it. Not a place we would normally go to. They make a Coconut Chicken (not low carb) and I knew we wouldn't be going back there. I wanted it so I ordered it. Really neat that it did not set off a trigger for more carby foods. However, yesterday I wanted a dessert type food. I couldn't decide between 2. I decided to eat one and then decided later that I just had to have the other one. I'm sure it was a "head" thing and not a "hunger" thing. But I think I've come to the place in IE, that it won't be a problem today. This is the purpose of combining low carb with IE. I know I can have something else if I reeeaaaalllllyyyy want it so it keeps me from going wild.

I am excited to say that my eating has settled down. I do need to be sure that I drink enough water. I can tell at times that I need more even when I think I've had more than enough. Cold weather makes it harder to drink enough water because all I want is hot drinks.

ALO I identified so with your post about accpeting your body. I still struggle with that. I'm trying to change that, but it takes work. When I see myself in the mirror, I try to remember to even say things out loud about it. I try to tell myself that it is what it is for now and I know that if I keep doing what I'm doing and be patient that this will eventually change maybe not as fast as I would like but it will happen. Then I also had the thought yesterday that when I get thin and it hasn't gone away... there are always undergarments to wear that will make it look like it. :D I could never wear them now because I couldn't breath, but hopefully when the weight comes off that will change. May never happen, but for now it just my way of dealing with it now.

Blue, sidhe, Julie and others:wave:

Truffle
12-26-2009, 12:35 PM
Hi, ladies...I thought I was going to be so smart this year, and start a new weight loss effort BEFORE January 1st. I ate with abandon yesterday because I was going to get up today and start a very strict program, Atkins, or if I didn't feel particularly strong, I was going to count calories.

Well, before I even ate any breakfast, I realized I just couldn't do it. I have never been able to stick to Atkins, and I don't last much longer counting calories.

I thought, wouldn't it be nice to head into a new year doing the thing that most closely fits ME, which is a non-diet, intuitive eating way of living? Yes, it would. I'd love to go through a year of not yo-yo'ing on different weight loss plans. Even if I didn't lose a ton of weight, at least I'd quit swinging back and forth, losing two, regaining three, etc.

The problem is, I also have some sisters that are dieting to lose weight, and since I'm the biggest of all four of us, I'm pretty much expected to fall in with them and do the same things they're doing. One sister has just lost 20 pounds out of about 50. She's very gung ho on dieting and exercise at the moment. One sister had about 20 pounds to lose. She cut back a little, and got right back to her normal weight. The other sister would like to lose about 50 pounds. She keeps going on and off calorie counting/"healthy eating" plans, but is struggling right now and has thrown in the towel--but will be starting fresh on January 1st.

I am willing to eat less and move a little bit more, but I'm not willing to eat foods I don't like; eat "diet" foods; weigh or measure foods; record foods--so that really excludes me from the approach two of my sisters are taking.

I don't know how many times this year I've lost a few, regained a few, lost a few, regained a few. I know that all I have to show for a whole year of on and off effort is the loss of a mere FIVE pounds. That's nothing but a whole lot of frustration when I have over a hundred to lose.

I started today going back to the Intuitive Eating way, and wonder if I have any right to continue that through the coming year. As a very large person, do I have any right to NOT diet, in the conventional sense? This is a rhetorical question. I know that I do have that right; I'm just not sure how comfortable I'll be not even attempting to do the same thing that my sisters will be doing.

As I write this, it sounds so silly, yet it's difficult to resist family "peer pressure".

I'd feel so free if I thought I could go through 2010 eating foods I like, and maybe ending the year with several pounds gone.

Do I dare actually grab that freedom for myself? Do I dare go against the flow, even though I'm by far the largest one of us four sisters?

Have you dealt with pressure to diet from other family members, even if it's not actually spoken?

carolr3639
12-26-2009, 12:48 PM
Thanks Trish, for the eating advice. I have tried eating at night but it leaves such a funny taste in my mouth. If I eat right before bed I'm usually ok. Becky, oh I know about peer pressure but it can even be friends as well as family. The thing is they usually gain their weight back so in the end they have nothing to say. After IEing for 3 years I have only lost 40 lb with 30 to go but I know I can't diet anymore.

sidhe
12-26-2009, 01:59 PM
Truffle--welcome to the brood! :)

Congratulations to you for being aware of what does NOT work for you, and for acknowledging what you are just not willing to do to lose weight. That trips up many, many people as they try to force themselves into compliant boxes. You've already got a firm foundation to build on. Now you know what you're not willing to do...all you have to do is try things until you find what you ARE willing to do! :D

A suggestion for trying to overcome the comparisons with your sisters: what else do you do that is different from them? What are your professions, your families, your lifestyles? I'm sure there's something that sets you apart from your sisters aside from your weight. When you feel pressured to "join them" in their dieting methods, think about what makes you all different and assure yourself that it's okay to not follow their paths.

Welcome to the group, and good luck with your goals! :)

pattygirl63
12-26-2009, 04:06 PM
Becky - I have spent 2009 learning what I'm willing to do and what I can do. I'm sorry to say that this year I went from 217.5 lbs to 236.5 lbs. That was the part that I was really afraid of about IE. But I now am confident that I am on an IE way of eating that I can live with. I basically low carb because I feel better when I eat less carbs, but I allow myself the freedom to eat carbs if and when I want it. I know I have to have that freedom to keep myself from wanting carby stuff all the time. I have learned that carby foods make me hungry. Just my system. I have also learned what I "really" like and what I do not. Example, I suddenly realized Thanksgiving Day that I don't like turkey. As a result, I don't have to eat it and I'm not going to. I've learned that while I can eat a lot veggies, that there are only about 5 or 6 that I "really" enjoy eating so those are the ones I eat.

I can identify with your dilemma. I don't know how many times I have been on a diet and even things going good and someone well meaning family member or friend would come to me or mail me a new diet that they just knew would work for me. I would cave in to please them only to have the weight come back on. It has taken me all these years (I'm 66 yrs young) to learn that I have the right to do this the way I believe is right for me. I've lost 4 lbs so far of the weight I gained. Maybe I will lose the weight quickly or maybe I will lose it slow, the most important thing is that I lose and do it healthy the WAY IT WORKS FOR ME.

I think weight loss is Personal. No 1 diet fits all. So I'm doing it the way that fits me. I read a book about people who lose weight and keep it off and that is what they do. Some take a diet and tweak it to fit them, some follow a diet exactly and some don't diet they just eat more like IE. That is when I decided that all I had to do was find out what would work for me and do it.

Hope you will be able to do the same. This is where you have to do what is best for Becky and please her not you sisters or anyone else.

Good luck on your journey,.

JulieJ08
12-26-2009, 06:22 PM
Do I dare actually grab that freedom for myself? Do I dare go against the flow, even though I'm by far the largest one of us four sisters?


I double dog dare ya ;) :D

JulieJ08
12-26-2009, 06:24 PM
I would just like to say how lovely it is not to feel a need to dissect what I ate and didn't eat yesterday! I'll just say the world today is short a few fine gingerbread men ;) They were good men and went down for the cause honorably.

pattygirl63
12-26-2009, 07:52 PM
I would just like to say how lovely it is not to feel I a need to dissect what I ate and didn't eat yesterday! I'll just say the world today is short a few fine gingerbread men ;) They were good men and went down for the cause honorably.

Julie :yes: Isn't the freedom great? No guilt etc, just enjoy and move on. :lol: So funny and cute. I have visions of little ginerbread men disappearing or running:D.

sidhe
12-26-2009, 08:30 PM
I'll just say the world today is short a few fine gingerbread men ;) They were good men and went down for the cause honorably.

:rofl:

Trish, I was reading your note and thinking, "yes...yes....yes, yes, yes!!" It sounds almost orgasmic, doesn't it? ;)

My experience with beginning IE was SO similar to yours! I also gained about 20 pounds when I started IE (my tracker is not accurate but I'm being petulant and refusing to change it). I went through a period when I had cake for breakfast because I could, dammit, and there were no rules telling me not to. I got back into eating white flour foods, too, because there were no rules telling me not to. Then I eventually looked at cake and decided I didn't want the consequences. I didn't want the aching stomach, the bloat, or the weight gain. I could have cake, but I chose not to. I realized that my body was much, much happier with an apple and peanut butter for breakfast.

I started really paying attention to how I felt when I ate different foods, and it became pretty clear that my body loves fresh foods and really, really hates processed foods. I started going to the grocery store almost daily for fresh foods--our pantry and fridge look woefully bare when we're done eating for the day, because we've eaten everything I bought that morning! :lol: Right now in the fridge (besides drinks and condiments) I've got half a container of fresh-soup-from-the-grocery-deli, two chicken breasts (dinner), a parsnip and some carrots (dinner), and half a bag of salad greens (dinner). And an apple for tomorrow's breakfast. That's it!

So. I am willing to cut out (or cut severely back on) wheat-based foods. (I knew that my body didn't react well to them, but I guess I had to finally prove it to myself, one last time.) I am willing to go to the store every day for fresh food. I am willing to cook (as opposed to, say, eating out every day or eating frozen meals). I write everything down in a general way (ie "medium banana", not "4.7 ounces banana"). I am NOT willing to weigh and measure. I am NOT willing to count anything (veggie servings, calories, Points, fat grams, etc). I'm NOT willing to be held accountable by anyone else for what I eat or how much I exercise. I refuse to justify my choices. My body is mine, and I'm in charge. ;)

It would be interesting to know how many of the rest of us went through the initial "gain 20 pounds" stage. For me, I had to go through it while still paying attention to myself, to finally establish what my rules were for my program. Everyone? What say you?


(Oh, and FWIW--In the last week I've lost about 2.5 of the 20 pounds I put on.)

Truffle
12-26-2009, 08:59 PM
I don't know what's happened, but somewhere along the way, it seems that my body doesn't do so well with carbs either. I've been making that Chex Muddy Buddies recipe this week (also known as "Puppy Chow"), the stuff with the chocolate, peanut butter, and Rice Chex. It's so easy to nibble on cup after cup of that, but I immediately feel bloated when I eat carbs like that.

I could easily live, at this point, on nothing but junk and bread. I can literally go weeks without a fresh fruit or vegetable. There are many days I start eating junky flour/sugar items even before breakfast.

I'm 53, and my father is diabetic. I'm hoping to stave that off for as long as possible, but I know I'm not doing myself any favors eating the way I am.

Sometimes what I classify as "intuitive eating" could just as easily be described as "lazy" or "without boundaries" eating. I'm not eating for health at all, even though I know I should be.

Patty, I might be smart to do as you do--limit my carbs, but leave the permission to eat them if I really want them, and don't choose them all day, every day, like I have been.

I've gotten tangled up with so many eating issues since I've been fat. I'd like this to be the year I start getting a grip on it.

JulieJ08
12-26-2009, 10:03 PM
I think of intuitive eating as eating what my body is telling me it needs, not what my mouth is telling me it wants. Sometimes my body needs an indulgence ;), but most of the time if I'm honest it's not telling me it needs donuts for breakfast. The trick is getting the mind out of the decision making and going with the body. The mind either is wrapped up in emotional eating and instant gratification, or busy condemning what we do eat and making it joyless and guiltful.

pattygirl63
12-27-2009, 12:18 AM
There are times I get up in the mornings thinking I want to eat whatever casting caustion to the wind. I find myself intuitively fixing something healthy for breakfast and planning what I'm eating that day. I recently realized that I would rather eat at home where I know what is in my food than to go out to eat. Sometimes when we go shopping at Walmart, I will half a meal with DH at McDonalds; however, most of the time I will go shopping while he goes and eats by himself. Then I come home and eat what I want here. Food just doesn't have a the importance in my life that it used to have. Thank God.

Truffle
12-27-2009, 07:47 AM
I think of intuitive eating as eating what my body is telling me it needs, not what my mouth is telling me it wants. Sometimes my body needs an indulgence ;), but most of the time if I'm honest it's not telling me it needs donuts for breakfast. The trick is getting the mind out of the decision making and going with they body. The mind either is wrapped up in emotional eating and instant gratification, or busy condemning what we do eat and making it joyless and guiltful.

Boy, this says it all--and is so right! My mind is absolutely wrapped up in "emotional eating and instant gratification".

One thing that's been tripping me up lately is the fact that my husband gets up much later than I do. There might be a stretch of four or five hours between when I'm up and ready to roll, and when he gets up. I like to eat breakfast with him, but I'm hungry shortly after getting up, so I tend to rummage around the kitchen to find something easy to grab and eat quietly, so that I don't make a lot of noise. That ends up being a couple of bowls of cereal to eat dry, or a couple pieces of toast, or a handful of cookies. I'll eat that, but still eat a "real" breakfast of oatmeal or eggs or something when my husband gets out of bed around nine. This isn't helping my weight loss efforts any.

sidhe
12-27-2009, 09:19 AM
Becky--do you live in my house? ;) My husband also gets up far, far later than I do. The way it works around here is that we each eat when we are hungry. He rarely wants breakfast, but I'm usually starved for it. So I feed myself. If I want eggs, I make eggs. If I want meatloaf (it's been known to happen, I eat all sorts of things for breakfast) I heat up some meatloaf. It's not all that noisy, really, unless you live in a studio apartment. Give yourself permission to take care of yourself, and to do what you need to do to take care of yourself. :hug:

Hmmm...oatmeal... ;)

JulieJ08
12-27-2009, 11:12 AM
Truffle, I agree, you've gotta eat what and when you need.

One thing I've found, which may or may not work for you, is that a cup or two of coffee with real half and half really fills me up for a while, and it's so delightful to savor.

pattygirl63
12-27-2009, 12:05 PM
Girls our lifeystyle are oh so similar. My hubby stays up late and gets up way much later than me. It works out great for us because he gets "his" time and and I have my "me" time. I cook one meal a day for the 2 of us and then he has his foods he eats whenever he wants it and I eat whatever I want whenever.

Like Julie I really enjoy my coffee in the morning. I heard all the things about caffiene vs decaf. I have my cafiene in the morning with Splenda and heavy cream. May go back to 1/2 and 1/2 because I did like the flavor better although it has a little more carb than the heavy cream. Some times I eat breakfast and some time I don't. Some time, I just have a shake. I never ate breakfast when I was thin, but I've grown to enjoy it most of the time.

My DH doesn't understand my way of eating. He worked in the medical field for almost 20 years and he just doesn't understand low carbing or Intuitive Eating. I finally decided that it doesn't matter who understands or who doesn't not even him. I have to eat the way I have to eat. His first wife died with lots of problems with diabetes. She also worked in the medical field. I finally asked him if she followed the diet they gave her. He said yes most of the time. I then asked him, "Did it save her life?" Of course it didn't. She had heart trouble lost toes and would have lost her legs if she had lived. I had done all the research on low carb etc. So I told him, "Then please trust me to do what I believe is the best way for me. I've done the research and I want to live a healthy life". He has a fear of losing me. He has health problems and I now see him taking a greater interest in what I am doing. Since I've changed the way I'm eating, my joints don't even hurt as much as they did even a few months ago. So I'm seeing a lot of improvement.

The traditional way of eating may work for a lot of people, but it does not work for me. So why do what doesn't work for me to please someone else. I've seen people do that and lose their health. Just my personal observations.

I am so thankful that when I was diagnosed with diabetes years ago that my doctor handed me the traditional diabetic diet they give everyone and then he looked at me and said "I'm not going to tell you how to eat or what diet to follow. You will find the one that will work for you". And I did. In less than a week I had it under control without meds. I ate mostly protein, veggies and fruit and then I exercised 45 minutes a day. That exercise is what I've got to get back into the routine of doing now.

Well, I didn't mean to ramble on so. I said all that really to say that we are individuals. We have the "right" to learn what works and what doesn't work for us. Most of us are good at taking care of others, now it is time for us to be as good to ourselves and take care of ourselves. I remember a few months before we found out my Mama had cancer and didn't live another year we were talking on the phone. Out of the blue she said to me, "Patricia, if you don't take care of yourself, no one else will". So let's make 2010 the year we do just that.

Y'all have a great Sunday.

ALO22
12-27-2009, 10:11 PM
Ladies, what great posts. And you make me feel like I'm not alone and crazy.

I have also wondered if I have the right to NOT diet. Who taught us to punish ourselves so much? I wonder what kind of acceptance we are all yearning for to treat ourselves so hardly.

Not only i have the right to NOT diet but I HAVE TO forget about diets. I have to make food concerns be gone. I realized I only overeat when i fall back into thinking I am breaking some rule and eating something forbidden. Then I eat a ton of food and don't enjoy a bite.

We all have the right to do whatever we please.

sidhe
12-28-2009, 12:35 AM
Ah, ladies, I'm fighting myself on wanting a GoWear Fit/BodyBugg. If you don't know, it's a contraption that reads your body temperature, movement, etc, and figures your calorie burn so that you can accurately calculate your deficit. There's a part of me that REALLY wants it because I have always sworn that the numbers never work, the computations and formulas never work for me even as rough estimates. The other part of me knows that that way lies obsession, and I'm really doing a lot better without that hysterical number crunching in my head all the time. But then, if it's accurate I'll finally have the numbers I've been looking for all these years and finally have a means to achieve my goals. But then, the obsession with numbers is part of what got me here in the first place. AUGH! Someone talk me down please!! :^:

I'm also being very pleased by oatmeal for some reason. I had it for breakfast and dinner today, and I'm pleased as can be. I turned down garlic and herb marinated filet (beef) and meditteranean couscous so I could have oatmeal. Very odd. As DH said, "well, you're a freak." Thanks honey, love you too! ;)


I need to head to bed early. I want to go Spinning in the morning to take advantage of my new saddle pad, and class starts at 5:45! :faint: Talk you you later! :D

carolr3639
12-28-2009, 10:22 AM
There is a thread on here about that but I have never read it. You could always post in the thread Does It Work and see what comes up. I kind of wonder how it works. There are so many variables. It is like you can't trust your hunger and fullness signals and those were designed by God.

JulieJ08
12-28-2009, 12:02 PM
Sidhe, I want a BodyBugg too, I'm just geeky that way. But moneywise, it ain't gonna happen, so I'm saved by the (empty) wallet I guess ;) I don't think it *has* to be an awful thing - I mean, if I'm geeky that way in everything else in my life, there's no reason I wouldn't have fun with a toy like that too. But each person has to be honest with themselves if it's really a toy that adds fun to their life, or a torture device in disguise.


I'm also being very pleased by oatmeal for some reason. I had it for breakfast and dinner today, and I'm pleased as can be. I turned down garlic and herb marinated filet (beef) and meditteranean couscous so I could have oatmeal.


I think that is classic IE :)

pattygirl63
12-28-2009, 04:54 PM
Haaving a regular IE day today. Maybe I'm ready for that. We have company coming for the week and they'll arrive tomorrow evening. I can't do low carb with them here because I can't afford to buy the foods for me and them too so I'm just going plain IE.

I got up and had oatmeal with yogurt and blueberries with flaxseed and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I've really missed my oatmeal. Then we went shopping and came home. I wasn't hungry all that time. I knew I needed to eat and I realized that I really wanted an ice cream bar. At first, I thought I would eat something "healthier" you know the "diet" thinking kicking in? Well, I decided that I would eat the ice cream bar and if I was still hungry that I would eat whatever it was I had in mind. Funny thing is that I ate the bar and I'm soooo satisfied with the ice cream bar that I can't remember what I "thought" I should eat if I was still hungry. What an experience and revelation. I wonder how many times that I have wanted something and decided to eat what I "thought I should eat" and was never satisfied. Would I have been satisfied if I had eaten what I really wanted? I think I've just had a new learning experience. Interesting. I wonder if this is the point of true Intuitive Eating. I ate what I wanted, savored it and was satisfied. I didn't overdo it. I wasn't tempted to go eat more. I think this is truly a freeing experience.

Not using the company as an excuse to eat what I want, but I will use it as an experience to test how I do really following IE. Looking forward to seeing how it works out for me.

carolr3639
12-28-2009, 09:23 PM
Sounds like you had a really great IE day, Trish, keep up the good work!

Truffle
12-29-2009, 01:58 PM
Sidhe, I'm kind of geeky with my pedometer. I LOVE to see how many steps I can get in, and am always competing with myself to do better. I track steps on StepTracker.com, so I have some nice graphs to study any time I want to too. I find that the pedometer numbers don't trip me up at all, but the SCALE numbers sure do. Maybe the BodyBugg will just be a fun thing for you.

I'm really driving myself nuts. I keep falling back into "diet head" thinking and actions. I'm desperate to lose some weight this coming year, so since the New Year will soon be here, I'm trying to rope myself into another diet. I've been on Spark People this morning, trying to psyche myself up by writing a blog entry about how I'm going to lose 30lbs this year, watch what I eat, record it, blah, blah, blah.

But it backfires on me, and I find myself out in the kitchen filling a bowl with Chex Muddy Buddies (aka "puppy chow"), which I don't really need, but which I am eating because I just can't get myself to stick to another diet plan, no matter how much they claim that it isn't one.

Diets and dieting, no matter how mild a form, are TOXIC, and how I wish I had never gotten sucked into them in the first place. I don't think I'd have half as much weight to lose if I had just listened to what was going on inside myself. :?:

pattygirl63
12-30-2009, 12:58 PM
I had a really terrific IE day yesterday:carrot:. I checked the scales just for the fun of it and I was down half a lb. I was surprised that I was not all that hungry and I didn't eat a whole lot. Hunger was minimal amount of hunger so it didn't take all that much to satisfy me. I even cooked a really nice dinner for the family who came in from out of town and never even thought of eating any of it. It was really a strange but wonderful experience. I thinking that I may have just eased into IE without even trying. Sure would be nice not to worry about food any more. So I am going to just roll with it. Just follow the 4 Golden Rules I found on another IE thread.

carolr3639
12-30-2009, 02:43 PM
I wish that too, Becky, but we need to move forward and make a change for the better and be thankful we finally found something that works. I still sometimes get discouraged in the winter because I usually gain some back but it comes off eventually. Right now my appetite is down some and I wonder if it is from all the goodies we eat this time of year. Trish, sometimes when I have finished cooking for the family, food just doesn't look good.

sidhe
12-30-2009, 03:00 PM
Thanks all for your thoughts.

I thought hard about buying a GWF, and I ended up making the purchase. I feel very calm about it, so I think it was the right choice.

A HUGE part of my frustration and anger with myself and my weight has always been that I could never "figure it out". The numbers don't work for me--no calculators ever worked, no standard advice ever worked, no programs people tried to shove at me ever felt right or got substantial results. For example: I remember when I tried Atkins. I was doing Atkins for 4 months, watching my calories at the same time I watched my carbs. I lost 8 pounds the first week...and then nothing. For the next 15 weeks, nothing. Then there was the time that I paid a nutritionist at the gym that I went to to put me on a "nutrition plan". He measured my body fat, took my age, my activity level, counted my exercise minutes, calculated my calories, and wrote out a very specific daily 5-meal-a-day plan for me. I lost 7 pounds the first two weeks...and then nothing, for 3 months. No weight change, no body fat change, nothing. He couldn't figure it out, but I was not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised. I have lots of other examples, but I'm sure you get the point! ;)

Anyway. I feel like I've been trying to solve a formula without one of the variables. I am very active and when I am working I have an active profession, but I never know what to use as activity modifiers or anything like that. I know it is very, very easy for me to gain weight, and it's **** trying to take it off. I know I need to lose weight to find a job again (yes, that's a sad fact). I have been tested many times for everything under the sun and my blood work always comes back fine. I don't know which side of the fence I am on: do I regularly eat too little and thus when I give myself extra calories my body hordes them? Or do I need fewer calories because I have a much slower metabolism than professionals think, and thus I need to pay very strict attention to REALLY watching for hunger/full signals? I don't know. I DON'T KNOW, and that not knowing has been ripping me apart. (Which goes into a whole lot of scars from childhood/school age when I was expected to be smart and always have the right answer and never allowed time to actually learn, but that's a whole 'nother story I'm not going to go into.)

So. Anyway. I made the choice to buy a GWF. And I also set some rules for myself:

*I did buy the armband, I did NOT buy the display watch that tells you minute-to-minute what your numbers are. I will upload my numbers in the evening, and that's the end of it. No checking it and no playing with it throughout the day.

*One-half-hour in the evening may be spent on uploading, calories, recording, whatever. That's the end of it.

*If my body is hungry, I'm going to feed it, no matter what the device says. If I'm not hungry I'm not going to eat, no matter what the device says. My body trumps the device.

*No playing games with food combinations, judging food choices, pats on the back for making "good" decisions, nothing like that. I will constantly, if I have to, remind myself that the GWF gives me information about ONE variable. It's numbers, and that's all it is. It's not moralistic.

I have to admit, part of my brain just loves the idea of a new techy toy--and one about the body! SWEET! The scientist part of me is thrilled at getting new data and having a potential solution to a problem with a missing variable. I'm also being very careful and very watchful, and will guard my sanity jealously. I've tried very hard to set this up so that my stability and all the growth I've had in the last few months with IE will not be lost.

Wish me luck! :)

Truffle
12-30-2009, 09:17 PM
Sidhe, I wish you luck with it! I love gadgets like that, that feed you data and numbers, so I'd be tempted to fiddle with it all the time. :D

I'm still going back and forth with myself. Drives me nuts. I went out to shovel snow yesterday, and couldn't even button my coat. I looked like an idiot with my coat flapping open, but I REFUSE to buy an even bigger size because, to me, that just cements it in my mind that I'm going to be this big forever.

Every January first, for the last thirty-something years, I've started the day weighing and taking measurements, because "this is going to be the year I lose weight", and I want to be sure to record every detail of my "before". Of course at the end of every one of those years, I've either stayed the same, or gained, so I was wondering today what it would be like to get up on New Year's morning and NOT weigh and measure--but then I decided that it would drive me nuts. I just have to know my numbers. Don't we play the silliest games with ourselves?

ALO22
12-31-2009, 08:49 AM
Truffle:

Don't weight yourself and go buy a new coat =) It's cold outside and you don't deserve to be freezing. Believe me, I live in VT, I know how cold it can get. And then, if you lose some weight, go back to this coat and then buy a new one if necessary.

I wish us all a great start for the new year, without numbers and with plenty of fun and joy =)

Truffle
12-31-2009, 10:37 AM
Truffle:

Don't weight yourself and go buy a new coat =) It's cold outside and you don't deserve to be freezing. Believe me, I live in VT, I know how cold it can get. And then, if you lose some weight, go back to this coat and then buy a new one if necessary.

I wish us all a great start for the new year, without numbers and with plenty of fun and joy =)

Hi, ALO22. I actually have another coat and a jacket I can wear. It's just that that coat is my heavy duty snow shoveling coat, and I couldn't get it buttoned. Maybe I'll be able to by the end of 2010.

PS You're up in the ski area--the people there should be overjoyed with the blizzard we're supposed to get this weekend, huh? I'm going to stay in, putter around, and hope that the power stays on. :goodluck:

pattygirl63
12-31-2009, 12:13 PM
Sidhe - Good luck with the GwF gadget. I hope it works out for you. We all have to do what we think will help us. So I hope this will be. You Vermont girls and others up north getting all that snow stay warm. And I wish y'all could send me some of it. DH Grands are here from FL and have never seen any of the white stuff. It would be such a treat for them.

Well, I am finding myself dealing with the "diet thinking" right now. We are so used to thinking we have to start a "New" diet on January 1st that I got up this morning thinking I needed to decide what "diet plan" I need to start Sunday when my company leaves. Yet, I know I'm doing so well with IE right now eating only when hungry, eating only what it takes to satisfy me and probably eating a lot less than I used to. I don't know why I would do this. I suppose it is 44 yrs of dieting that is causing me to have this struggle.

We are going out to eat today. And I don't want a gain tomorrow and the "mind games" are kicking in. I know how I usually eat and do very well at Ryan's, but soooo scared of having a gain on January 1st. Carolr you are my inspiration here. Help!!! Is this a "normal" process of IE?

Well, I guess I will see you girls in 2010. Have a great New Year's eve and stay safe.

Till tomorrow.

Truffle
12-31-2009, 12:28 PM
Sidhe - Good luck with the GwF gadget. I hope it works out for you. We all have to do what we think will help us. So I hope this will be. You Vermont girls and others up north getting all that snow stay warm. And I wish y'all could send me some of it. DH Grands are here from FL and have never seen any of the white stuff. It would be such a treat for them.

Well, I am finding myself dealing with the "diet thinking" right now. We are so used to thinking we have to start a "New" diet on January 1st that I got up this morning thinking I needed to decide what "diet plan" I need to start Sunday when my company leaves. Yet, I know I'm doing so well with IE right now eating only when hungry, eating only what it takes to satisfy me and probably eating a lot less than I used to. I don't know why I would do this. I suppose it is 44 yrs of dieting that is causing me to have this struggle.

We are going out to eat today. And I don't want a gain tomorrow and the "mind games" are kicking in. I know how I usually eat and do very well at Ryan's, but soooo scared of having a gain on January 1st. Carolr you are my inspiration here. Help!!! Is this a "normal" process of IE?

Well, I guess I will see you girls in 2010. Have a great New Year's eve and stay safe.

Till tomorrow.

Patty, I sure wish I could send you some of our snow for the grandchildren to see. My daughter and her family moved to Florida a year and a half ago, and they tease us now about how they only "shovel sunshine". I'll be sure to send them some snow photos as a reminder once this storm goes through, hee hee.

You are not alone in the diet thinking, that's for sure. I stayed up late last night, reading on my favorite low carb discussion board. I was really toying with the thought of trying to LC again.

I did my end of year weigh in this morning, and found that instead of losing anything, I ended this year UP by nearly three pounds. How discouraging is that? And my poor husband--he weighed himself too, and found out that he's at his biggest ever, so we really want to improve our health and shape this year.

In case I don't get a chance to get back here again today, Happy New Year to all of you!

sidhe
12-31-2009, 08:00 PM
Snow? What's that? :shrug: It was 70 degrees and not a cloud in the sky today! :beach: About 63 now, some marine layer is rolling in off the ocean. Brr, might have to get a jacket if I go out again! ;)

Today I discovered a cheese shop downtown, and I'm sitting here with a bit of blueberry stilton, cotswold (smooth and soft cheese with herbs and chives), and dry English cheddar. I have half an apple, some water crackers, a slice of non-wheat bread, and some grapes. I feel so...cosmopolitan. Cheese and a bit of bread is lovely, really, and the fruit is a great refresher. Yum yum yum! It's amazing how much I DON'T eat when I get really good quality stuff that is exactly what I want. This is maybe 1.5 ounces of cheese total, and I'm about done. I haven't eaten all of it, but I'm content. It feels very...peaceful.

Have a wonderful New Years, everyone, and best wishes for making the coming year your best one ever. :)

pattygirl63
12-31-2009, 08:18 PM
A quick one here. Went to Ryan's and ate. My stomach must have shrunk. I ate the amount of food I always eat there... maybe less since I didn't eat all of the food I got and I was stuffed. Isn't this great?

Sidhe You are doing great.

Heard from my babysister tonight which was a treat. I don't hear from her very often.

Goodnight.

carolr3639
01-01-2010, 11:47 AM
This just received via email from Maggie Miller

Happy New Year!

Wishing you a happy, healthy 2010

As I type this email on New Year's Eve, my husband is cooking dinner, my baby girl is practicing pre-crawling maneuvers on her play-mat and I am happily settling into a new home office we created for me this week. I don't have a profound message to type tonight, nor do I have an inspiring story to tell. I just want to reach out to you during a time that can be a struggle for those committing to a non-dieting way of life.

Airwaves are abuzz with dieting offers and "slim-down" "tips and tricks" at this time of year, and as you know by now, supportive non-dieting messages are too few and far between. So before you get tempted to buy into the multi-billion dollar diet industry, I'd like to gently remind you that diets don't work. They're not good for you, they've been proven to correlate with weight gain in the long run, and the yo-yo cycles created by diets have been proven time and time again to be unhealthy.

So as you ring in the new year I offer you a virtual hand. You can hold my hand for as long as you want on your journey to make peace with food and with yourself. I'll be here to cheer you on, offer a shoulder to cry on and remind you as many times as I need to that you are perfect just the way you are. I'll also be here to remind you that changing a number on a scale won't make you any happier. Changing your perception of and love for your body, though, just might.

My message is as simple today as it was when I launched my business two years ago: Eat When You're Hungry. Stop When You're Full. And Love Yourself.

And have a happy, healthy, joyful new year filled with laughter, lattes if you like them, and all the things that make life so delicious.

Warmly,
Maggie

pattygirl63
01-01-2010, 01:21 PM
Carolr - Thanks for the article. I think I needed that.

Truffle
01-01-2010, 04:05 PM
Trish, I'm sorry I addressed you as "Patty" yesterday. For some reason, I missed seeing your name at the bottom of your post.

Sidhe, hee hee on needing your jacket when it's in the sixties. Around here, when it hits sixty, we're all out in shorts and summer clothes because it feels so warm. :D I guess we dodged the bullet on the blizzard. New Hampshire, Maine, and Canada look like they're going to bear the brunt of it. We're just getting a tiny bit of snow right now.

Carol, thanks for posting that article. It's a good reminder, especially for right now, when the "diet fever" is at its pitch.

I did my traditional first-of-the-year weigh in this morning: 278. Since I've been such a scale addict for a long time, I've decided to taper off gradually, just weighing myself once a week. I figure that way at least I won't get any nasty surprises, like gaining another 20 pounds without realizing it.

Since I lose so incredibly slowly, I decided to work towards, and be happy with, 249 on the scale by the end of this year.

My husband wants to lose weight too, so we're going to work on eating smaller portions together, instead of carelessly heaping our plates every night like we've been doing.

pattygirl63
01-01-2010, 05:43 PM
Becky - No problem. My name is Patricia and all the nicknames are okay. Didn't use to like Patsy because I knew 2 Patsy's I could not stand. I use to say never met a Patsy I liked, then I realized that my cousin's wife's name is Patsy and she is a sweetheart. To my Daddy who says he is the only one who counts since he named me, I am Patricia. To my 2 sisters who are younger, I am Trisha, to a lot of friends back home in TX an to nieces an nephews, I am Pat or Aunt Pat. To my DH and our friends an family in FL an SC, I am Trish. I go by Patty on some websites because they see the Pattygirl. So as you can see, you can call me Patty if you like.:)

I was up 2 lbs today so I guess I got something with a whole lot of salt when we ate out yesterday. It surely couldn't be the ice cream I had yesteray.

OP today and being extra good. I need to think about weighing only once a week myself. Guess I will do it one of these day. Decided not to wait until company leaves to get on my low carb/IE plan. We had spahetti today so I got a spaghetti squash and use that for the pasta. What was so cute is my 7year old GD kept trying to cut her spaghetti with a knife like I was doing. Of course spaghetti squash is very thin, she finally said, "Nannie, I can't get mine thin like yours". We had to explain that I wasn't eating spaghetti pasta, but a spaghetti veggie. It seemed to please her. She is so cute.

Hope everyone is having a great day.

JulieJ08
01-01-2010, 08:15 PM
:newyear:

We had a perfect day, watched some of the Rose Parade, took the little kiddies to the park.

Truffle
01-02-2010, 09:48 AM
Good morning. Just checking in...I guess we're going to get a bunch of snow from the blizzard after all. It's already cold and blowing, and has been snowing for awhile, so today will be a good day to stay in and do some decluttering and organizing.

I also want to start cutting some fabric to make some "Snuggles" for the homeless animals for the Snuggles Project. (http://www.snugglesproject.org/)

I hope you all have an enjoyable Saturday. :D

pattygirl63
01-03-2010, 07:43 AM
Good Morning Everyone

I'm up vvvveeeerrrryyyy early for me. Got up at 5:45 am for company to leave at 6 am. I decided to stay up and start cleaning, washing bed clothes, etc used by company so things will be ready for the next visit. Told DH that I wanted to start getting up early and getting more done so hopefully this will get me started with a new, but old habit. I want to start exercising in the mornings like I used to do so I need to get up earlier to get that done. However, today's exercise will be cleaning and going up and down stairs.

Today is my official WI of one a week and I am back down where I was before company came. So I was able to keep my 4 lb loss of the 19 I gained when I got on IE.:carrot: So I made my goal of showing a loss and keeping it as I came through to the New Year. Would have liked more, but I'm thankful for the 4 lbs I lost.

I almost slipped into the "start the New Year with a diet". I was seriously thinking of doing the Metabolism Miracle diet because I liked the idea of giving the liver and pancreas a rest and retrain the metabolism. But I thought about "having to" eat every 5 hours even during the night when you wake up. I decided that is training me to eat when I am not hungry. I know the priniciple behind it, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. What got me through the 5 days with the family here is the fact that I just didn't get hungry. We had spahetti one night and I made mine with spaghetti squash. I'm past the cravings. So hopefully, I am past the "diet" craze today. Back on my variation of Atkins lc/IE combo. It is obviously beginning to work for me so if it isn't broke why do something else.:dizzy:

Becky Are you in the midst of all those terrible snow storms north of us? I see it is really bad for some people. Hope you didn't get as bad as a lot of them did.

Y'all have a great and warm Sunday.

HisBeloved
01-03-2010, 08:46 AM
Hello everyone, my name is Amy. I just turned 40 December 17. I am finally understanding what all those 'older' ladies were talking about years ago when I was a slim young whipper snapper lol. "It only gets harder to lose as you age" yeah yeah, whatever i thought, I will never be more than 10 pounds overweight like these 'older' ladies. HA, the jokes on me. I am now 40 pounds above my preferred weight, and it is just not coming off. I mean I lost 5 pounds after two months of sticking religiously to my plan (weight watchers at the time) and regular exercise. I used to lose that in a week a few short years ago. I really hate to pull the thyroid card, but its true both my mother and grandmother suffered hypothyroidism, so I will have it tested to be sure.
I have an old injury which makes exercise challenging for me so for my b-day my husband is treating me to 6 months with a personal trainer. He also agreed to meal delivery, but we were having issues with fed ex getting to our house in the middle of no where, so that i on hold. I think I am going to stick to eating only when I am hungry and stopping when just satisfied (Intuitive) I am actually working my way through Paul Mckennas cd's journaling exercises..
We run a small 14 acre family homestead in the Blue Ridge mountains of NC. My husband and I have 4 kids ages 12, 15, 16, and 22. I really love my life here, although it is currently -14 (with wind chill) no fun feeding animals in weather like this!
Anyway looking forward to getting to know you guys! Hoping to find some motivation.
Blessings
Amy

Truffle
01-03-2010, 10:24 AM
Good morning, ladies. Welcome, Amy!

Trish, yes, we're getting a LOT of snow from this storm--at least two feet already, and we're not even in the area that's getting the worst of it. Roads are terrible though, and things are being cancelled. Even our church services were cancelled this morning.

Good for you on your weight loss! I think that the more we can relax about it, the better we do, don't you?

Well, time to go out and see if I can shovel out our car. Have a great day, everyone.

JulieJ08
01-03-2010, 11:04 AM
Welcome Amy! Sounds like you have lots of work in your life :)

sidhe
01-03-2010, 11:57 AM
Welcome, Amy! Feeding animals in -14 weather...I imagine it's no fun BEING an animal in -14 weather either! They don't have coats nor can they come inside...and forget about hot chocolate... ;)

Ladies, I am doing BRILLIANTLY. I'm sure it's the Honeymoon phase, but seriously. I've had my GWF 'gadget' for three days, with two days' worth of data, and it's brilliant. The first day I only got 5 hours 17 minutes of sleep (I have insomnia) and it really showed in my calorie burn the next day. A body burns calories all night, even when you're sleeping, and almost all the way through the entire next day you couldn't even tell I was awake! :lol: Until I had a nap...then I got 1:46 of sleep, and I was puttering about, doing chores, running errands, etc for the evening. Such a difference in my numbers before the nap and after the nap!

Then the second day, I crashed hard the night before (I tend to, after a few days not sleeping) and slept 9:17!! I 'woke up' 17 times (the device measures changes in body temperature and heartrate, so it can tell when you switch from awake to asleep even if you're still lying down) but I still slept. Aaaaahhhh. And the difference was amazing. The first day (no sleep) I burned about 2700 calories. The second day (good sleep) I burned nearly 1,000 more!!

I've been paying close attention to when I'm hungry and what I'm hungry for, and not letting this device dictate my hunger. I woke up this morning and heated up some leftovers from last night, but halfway through I wasn't interested anymore. Decided I was done eating for right now. I'll save it for when I'm home from the gym, if I want anything then. The device seems to be getting me to move more, and my work with IE is helping me with eating choices.

I hesitate to name it, but it seems like this is really helping everything I know and everything I've studied come together into a livable, doable process. :)

pattygirl63
01-03-2010, 12:39 PM
Amy - :welcome3: Look forward to getting to know you.

sidhe - So glad things are working so well for you with your new gadget. We all have to learn what works for us.

Julie, Carolr, Blue, and everyone else:wave

Got the housework done from company and one more load of clothes to put in the dryer. Then I'm going to rest the remainder of the day.

ALO22
01-03-2010, 07:37 PM
Welcome Amy!

Becky, we are really enjoying the snow. I actually work for SB and now that all the tourists are gone, it's MY turn to go skiing until I drop =D
The bad part of the snow: the roads. Yesterday, I was doing some groceries for the hotel guests and when I was coming back, on RT 100, I hit some snow, started doing 180s onto the opposite lane and hit a tree =S
I am fine and the car only has a small crack in the bumper (god bless Subarus) but it was one of the scariest things that's ever happened to me!

So, back to IE... I don't know if I am not doing it or if I'm actually incoorporating it more to my routine so it comes more naturally. When I discovered the terms, I realized that I had been trying some sort of IE for 2 years now but with some diet mentality still in my brain. So now my major challenge is to eliminate that diet mentality without feeling like I'm losing control (I don't know control of what, though).

But, the brain is so complex! So, as you may recall, my friend from Argentina came 3 weeks ago, she's staying with us. We have two extra bedrooms, so there was no point in her renting an apartment she couldn't even afford. Anyway, the problem is: I WANT MY HOUSE BACK. I want it to be just DH, dog, cat and me!!!

I've always had a very strong love-hate relationship with this friend. And she is super (naturally) thin so is DH. So I guess when things start to get tense between me and her, my way of protesting is eating with no control! As if my brain said "fine, have my house, my pets and my husband. i'll just eat until I look like a balloon so you two won't have to even look at me again." I know, so many issues there.

She was my BF when we were teenagers, which was also the time when I was the heaviest (maybe not weight wise, but with my body still changing and all the insecurities that come with adolescence...). So, whenever there was a boy around, I knew I was the funny one and she was the attractive one (of course, to be fair, she had her share of body image issues too).

When I started dating my DH, she was my roomate and we actually lived the three of us together before. And he chooses me. I know for a fact that she's not his type and he has never, ever, even looked at her as anything but a friend. I mean, my issues are not about him. They are about myself and all the insecurities that having her around stir inside of me.

And I've never lacked boyfriends or people interested in me. I am attarctive in my own different-than-her way. I've never been really big either (never had a BMI higher that 25.5) but I guess it's just those deep-rooted feeling that began when I was first becoming a woman, that define the way we look at ourselves...

Wow, that felt like a therapy session. I just hope I don't get too out of control and I learn to deal with this...

babygrant
01-03-2010, 08:49 PM
I'm totally into this thread! :) Spent the last four hours reading it. :dizzy:

I've just finished a trial...and error....of low carbing. I've tried calorie counting, low carbing, high carbing, low fat, high fat, detox diets. You name it...I've tried it. I'm DONE!

I need to adapt an intuitive eating lifestyle for my whole family. My children luckily do not focus on weight, but I have a hard time sometimes when they ask for seconds, etc. I want them to be able to self regular their own healthy foods. I don't want them to have the same struggles that I do. I don't want to kick myself in the butt everyday and say I was "bad" for having a cookie, or say I was "good" for not eating xyz. I just want to be at peace with food and I'm going to do it!

ALO22
01-03-2010, 09:19 PM
Oh, babygrant, I've aso had that "fall in love" feeling with threads before.

I am not a mother yet but I also wonder how I am going to handle the food thing with my kids. I want them to be free and my DH has already told me he doesn't want me to tell my (future - hopefully) daughter the same awful things that I sometimes tell myself. I know my mom would be broken hearted to hear the things I tell myself.

We all have our flaws, it's just nice we try to carry our crosses the best we can =)

babygrant
01-03-2010, 09:29 PM
Oh, babygrant, I've aso had that "fall in love" feeling with threads before.

I am not a mother yet but I also wonder how I am going to handle the food thing with my kids. I want them to be free and my DH has already told me he doesn't want me to tell my (future - hopefully) daughter the same awful things that I sometimes tell myself. I know my mom would be broken hearted to hear the things I tell myself.

In a way I'm glad I have boys. I think boys are a lot less hard on themselves in terms of body image.

My oldest son (6 years old) just came and asked me and asked me if he could make his own lunch for tommorow. He said the deal would be that he could choose anything. I was a bit hesitant but then thought...we'll see how he does. So his lunch is packed. He made a big salad with mixed greens, red pepper, mushrooms, bean sprouts, celery, cubed cheese, and then a little container of three cheese ranch. He also packed a hardboiled egg, a little baggie of popcorn, and then for snack he packed an oreo and a flax cookie! He did good! :carrot:

Sorry to derail this thread a bit from ourselves, but one thing I notice is that kids get picked on REALLY easily. One time my son brought a tuna salad pita to school and the kids bugged him because it smelled. One time he brought hummous and crackers and he got teased cause it was "weird". Seriously....these kids are in GRADE ONE!!!!! Wowza!

JulieJ08
01-03-2010, 10:07 PM
And the difference was amazing. The first day (no sleep) I burned about 2700 calories. The second day (good sleep) I burned nearly 1,000 more!!


How very interesting!

ALO - :hug: I hate sharing my space.


One time he brought hummous and crackers and he got teased cause it was "weird". Seriously....these kids are in GRADE ONE!!!!! Wowza!

Youth is so wasted on the young. I *soooo* enjoyed pita chips and hummus on New Year's Eve. God, Stacy's Simply Naked Pita Chips are so good :):hug:

Truffle
01-04-2010, 09:36 AM
Sidhe, your gadget sounds like something that would be a lot of fun! Glad things are coming together for you.

ALO, I find it extremely challenging to share my space too. Right now we have one of my brothers (who moved in "temporarily"--three years ago) sharing our house, and we also have my husband's adult son (who lost his place to live last year when he didn't have a job, long story) living with us. I've gotten used to it, pretty much, but sometimes the lack of privacy--and the loss of space--really wears on me. I think that as the economy gets worse though, more and more families are going to be doubling up and sharing a home.

I'm glad you weren't hurt on the roads this weekend. Two people were killed in this area, headon collision on a flat road. Almost three feet of snow, and most of the schools are open today.
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I "feel like eating" today because I'm nervous and a bit irritable. My husband has been sick all weekend with a horrible cold, and he woke up in the night having a hard time breathing, so I'm worried about him. I'm also homeschooling one of my grandsons this winter while he's here from Florida staying with his father. His father brought him over this morning and informed me that the son of his roommate has the stomach flu. Great. I'm terrible around sick people, and nervous about germs coming in here. I realize this is silly, but I've always been this way, and haven't been able to overcome it completely yet. I hate this time of year with all its sickness. It feels like the day got off to a wrong start. I'll go have another waffle and hope it gets better, hee hee.

I hope the rest of you ladies enjoy the day!

Blue Serenity
01-04-2010, 02:16 PM
Happy New Year everyone! :wave:

Checking in to say "Hello" to everyone and "Welcome" to our newbies! This thread sure has been growing lately! Its nice to see so many people adapting the IE way of life!

I'm doing well, and the holidays went well. I seem to be totally free from diet mentality, which is kind of ironic because ... ironically ... I've cut out bread from my diet. Actually, I cut out wheat specifically. I am trying to see if an allergy to wheat (or perhaps gluten) is what has been giving me these sinus fits I've been having. I had cut out all wheat for several days (for another issue I was dealing with, not "dieting" related) and when I decided to have some again that same evening, shortly after enjoying wheat-laden goodies and breads I was sneezing, and eyes watery, uncontrollably! I thought I was catching a cold! I never dreamed I could be allergic! But I cut out the wheat again and have been fine since. So I don't know. I'm experimenting with it to see how it goes. I can certainly say this much, I'm not bloated anymore! LOL!

Well, I need to get to my chores. Time to take down the Christmas decorations! Out with the old and in with the new, (whatever that may be). Perhaps a new attitude and a new outlook on life.

Have a great one! :sunny:

carolr3639
01-05-2010, 12:51 PM
It's been awhile since I could read here but now I'm caught up. Yesterday my DH was diagnosed with arterial fibrillation. They put him on warfarin and he see's a cardiologist in 2 weeks. He was having chest pain and rarely goes to the dr. so when he called the clinic where my DD works they told him to come right up. He has normal bp so the heart irregularities are a mystery. He has quite a few appointments since this is the year he decided to get everything done. He has had a benign form of luekemia since 2000 that has never needed treatment and he also has knee issues and wants to get a colonoscopy. We never go to the dr. so this is a real switch. The chest pain was getting to him but it could be just from the arrythmia. I'm no good at spelling these technical words. I was just so glad he didn't have to stay in the hospital. He is a veterinarian and super active and athletic. All the posts were so interesting.

JulieJ08
01-05-2010, 12:57 PM
carol, I wish your hubby all the best :)

pattygirl63
01-05-2010, 01:40 PM
Carolr - I am so sorry to hear about your DH. My DH has arterial fibrillation and arrythmias, but has never had a chest pain. His is due to another problem... a heart flap that doesn't close right. He takes magnesium to keep the arrythmias in check. Things are working for him so we are thankful. The difficulty is the waiting to learn all that is going on. So I definitely understand what you are going through. We are now dealing with some new issues with his digestive track now. Had a test done yesterday and having colonoscopy tomorrow morning. We expect it to be something simple and will be glad when he will feel better. So most definitely my prayers and thoughts are with you and you DH.

carolr3639
01-05-2010, 05:30 PM
Thanks a bunch, Trish and Julie.

sidhe
01-05-2010, 11:20 PM
I'm so sorry to hear your DH is not 100%, Carol. :hug:

Blue Serenity
01-06-2010, 07:39 PM
Carol, what can I say that hasn't already been said, I echo everyone's sentiments and wish your husband the best.

And yours, too Trish!

I just wanted to share something I read in a Prevention Magazine mail out I received. This was one of those pre-subscription magazines they mail out full of teasers to get you to subscribe (which I've, unfortunately, already thrown away, so I'll try to remember what exactly it said.)

There was a teaser (for an eating plan you could learn more about) about calories in vs. calories out and the best way to lose weight. Some study (I think) showed that contrary to popular belief you do not have to eat less calories than your body burns to lose weight. According to them, the key to losing weight was balance and varying between (I think) about 300 to 500 calories. It is the variation that is important. The article was not suggesting that people count their calories, but rather it had an IE tone to it, eating for satisfaction and based on hunger and fullness. The natural result of eating this IE way was varied calorie intake from day to day. They did advocate healthy eating choices and limiting your indulgences to a couple times a week but other than that it sounded like IE.

Another thing the article mentioned was why people can go to the gym and work so hard and still see no results in the weight-loss department. The reason was the same as with eating a low calorie diet. You're putting the body in "starvation" mode by burning *too many* calories! I have never heard that before about exercise, but that is what they were claiming. Go figure!

So, chalk another one up for IE.

Carol (I know you've experienced this) and others, this would explain how you can be hungrier on some days and want much less to eat on other days. This is IE in action! It also explains one of the mysteries of IE ... how can you lose weight eating what your body needs opposed to less than your body needs. Apparently the body likes it that way and this is what keeps the metabolism fires burning, thus weight loss.

Go IE!

.

ALO22
01-06-2010, 08:34 PM
Hi, ladies!

Carol and Trish, I hope both your husbands get better and/or be able to control their conditions without major changes in their lives.

Blue Serenity: what an interesting post!!!! The more I do IE (or try to, hehe) the more I fail to understand diets! I mean, I understand some people need to re-educate themselves in terms of food but as soon as you start listening to your body, that comes naturally. It's been happening to me for years, I am enjoying simpler flavors, I cook a lot more, I don't enjoy fast food, greasy foods, salty foods or anything with one main overwhelming flavor for that matter. And it's not because I am on a diet, it's because I realized that I didn't enjoy them!

Ok, so the point I'm trying to make is that listening to your body is the key and restrictions don't work!

I was just thinking today, i will never go back to obsessing about food when I eat out and I will never go back to bringing my own "low-calorie" food to a family reunion. That said, I will never go back eating because of peer pressure either.
It happens a lot in my family and living far away from them opened my eyes a lot. They all binge at every family reunion (which are at least once a week) and they tease you if you don't eat until you are sick!
While they have lunch, they talk about dinner and they just sit at the table for hours on end eating! It's amazing. So, I don't think calories in-calories out has anything to do with losing weight. I think the key is to enjoy your body and end such a passive, self-destructive behavior!

I don't see exercise as weight loss anymore, I see it as a way of rediscovering my body and enjoying it. I took my first yoga class today and LOVED IT. There are soooo many mental obstacles that come with the obese mentality that calories in-calories out is hardly the problem, but just a symptom.

One day i'll just write a very long post about all the revelations I've been having throughout the years when it comes to obese mentality and behavior. I am so so so glad to be at the place I am at right now!! I know it can be a very hard struggle sometimes, but I've made amazing progress and I am proud of myself!

Thanks for your answers about my friend situation. The catharsis really worked. Since I posted, I've been much more relaxed about it. Maybe it also helps that there isn't a full moon outside anymore!

Now I'm off to making my second dinner! I went skiing, bking and I did yoga today. One dinner wasn't enough, I'm starving!

Cheers, everyone

ALO22
01-06-2010, 08:47 PM
BTW, I read this article the other day: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-04/born-to-eat-cake/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsL2

It still has bits of a diet mentality, but I like how the trend seems to be moving more towards a version of IE and common sense.

Blue Serenity
01-06-2010, 09:24 PM
ALO22, I agree there are so many discoveries that comes with IE and un-dieting!

On a personal note (and not really related to the topic of discovery), I am discovering that I really enjoy chocolate! lol (Who doesn't?)

I want to make a correction to what I posted earlier (I'll correct it in the post, too).

When I said that the calories should vary 300 to 500 I don't think I posted it the way they meant it. I posted it as if "X" was your average calorie intake and from there you should vary 300-500+/- when what I think they were saying was that the range of your calories should vary 300 to 500 calories. So that you may be eating up to 500 calories differently +/- on any given day. So, today you might eat 2000 calories and tomorrow you might eat 2250 and the next day it might be 1750. The difference between 1750 and 2250 being 500 calories. (The way I had it originally made the range vary 600 to 1000 calories. Oops!!!) Sorry for that misinformation! I wish I hadn't thrown out the magazine! And I may still be posting it wrong, but the idea is variation. Don't starve yourself and don't stuff yourself. Some days you may be hungrier than others and that's OK. Some days you might not be as hungry, that's OK, too. That is what I understand it all to mean.

ALO22
01-07-2010, 08:22 AM
Speaking of discoveries: I discovered that calories being posted everywhere is starting to annoy me! The whole front of my mini-bagels box is covered by HUGE prints that say 100 CALORIES!!!, mi cereal box has the calorie count on the front AND on the back, the box gives me tips on how to live a healthier life style (including going out with friends, laughing and of course eating their cereal). And then, the last drop: there was a sticker on my banana that said "lose weight!"

I think this is going overboard. First of all, I don't care how many calories there are in my food and second, breakfast is my alone time of the day and I LOVE IT; I put relaxing music on and I enjoy it thoroughly, I really don't feel like getting all those calorie and weight loss messages from my food packages (or banana peals) this early in the morning...

venting out =)

Truffle
01-07-2010, 10:43 AM
Good morning, ladies...Carol and Trish, I'm chiming in with best wishes for the health of your husbands.

I got caught up in the diet mentality this morning, and spent a couple hours reading some low carb boards. I determined that "this was it", and I was going to do Protein Power no matter what. I ate a plain cheeseburger pattie for breakfast.

Then my husband got up, and I made homemade waffles for him. I just couldn't pass one up, so ate a small one with butter. Hit the spot.

Now my "low carb day" is blown, and I can get back to IE. ;)

Blue Serenity, that's very interesting info that you posted. I've read something similar, but forget where it was. It just goes to show that if we'd leave diets alone, any kind of diets (even if they try to make them appealing by calling them "healthy eating plan" or "lifestyle change"), we'd probably be a lot better off, and wouldn't have so much to lose in the first place.

One of my sisters swears by the gym, and thinks I'm odd because I couldn't stand going to a gym. (I enjoy walking.) But I think she runs into the exact problem your info stated--she burns too many calories, cuts too many calories, then wonders why she stalls all the time. She's starting to yo-yo wildly, and that only ends up in packing big chunks of pounds on a person. That's why I have well over a hundred pounds to lose, instead of probably fifty or less if I hadn't yo-yo'd so much.

carolr3639
01-07-2010, 12:47 PM
Thanks for all the good posts. Kind of tired here and it is really snowing so I'm just on the inside looking out and enjoying the beauty.

Truffle
01-08-2010, 11:03 AM
You know that saying about if you do the same thing you've always done, you'll get the same results you've always gotten, or something like that? When will I learn?

I'm so DESPERATE to budge some of this weight that I'm sucked into the diet thing again. Once again, stupidly--because I know I can't stick with it--I started off the day with some cheddar and 2 fried eggs, not because that's what I wanted, but because it's low carb, and I was adamant that I was going to start "serious low carbing" today. I even wrote "start low carb" with a big arrow pointing to the date in my journal. (Of course I did that yesterday too, then crossed it out when I started eating Reese's Cups.)

Now here I am, just can't wait to eat a waffle, or bake some cookies, or something like that.

I seem to have this big "rebellion" thing in my mind: nobody's going to tell me what to eat--even when nobody IS telling me what to eat. It's just what I think I SHOULD be eating. :dizzy:

I know that when I stay off the scale, stay off the diet sites, stop trying to record what I eat, that I do better and my eating slows down. I wonder if I'm just fooling myself...is there really any way that somebody that has gotten up to nearly 300 pounds is going to be able to lose by eating intuitively, or am I too far gone? :(

I don't even care any more if I ever get back to my original thin self. I'd just like to get under 250 at this point. That would help a lot.

Sigh... :?:

babygrant
01-08-2010, 03:11 PM
I don't even care any more if I ever get back to my original thin self. I'd just like to get under 250 at this point. That would help a lot.

What if you focus on a NON scale related goal? Is there some sort of sport you enjoy doing? For me, I love hiking with my kids. My health goal is to be able to hike up this trail we love without having to stop and catch my breath! I could accomplish it at 180 pounds or I might not accomplish it until I'm 150 pounds, but I'll have fun hiking up there over and over and over again to see if my respiratory health has improved.

Truffle
01-08-2010, 03:29 PM
What if you focus on a NON scale related goal? Is there some sort of sport you enjoy doing? For me, I love hiking with my kids. My health goal is to be able to hike up this trail we love without having to stop and catch my breath! I could accomplish it at 180 pounds or I might not accomplish it until I'm 150 pounds, but I'll have fun hiking up there over and over and over again to see if my respiratory health has improved.

That's a good idea. I guess one of the first things I'd like to improve is to be able to carry a basket of clothes up from the basement and not be winded by the time I get to the top of the stairs.

pattygirl63
01-08-2010, 06:18 PM
Beckey I do the same thing about the "diet" mentality. The thing is that I know that I do better and feel better on low carb. I too have lurked the low carb diet sites. I tried the Metabolism Miracle Diet again, but don't like the eat during the night thing. Looked at some of the others and didn't like some of their ideas either. I noticed some low carbs allows some foods as freebies and other don't, etc. So I decided that I can take the info I have read and do my own low carb thing. That is what I am doing. I can even allow myself a treat once in a while of what I really want and contrary to what all low carb diets tell us, it won't be a disaster and keep me from losing weight. I think this makes things so much more simple and it becomes "My Choice". No one telling me what I can or cannot do or eat.

babygrant - I like the idea of the NO SCALE goal. It gets us away from always making things about food. I would like to get to the place where I can be more comfortable about going out with the ladies in my neighborhood. I can't do a lot of walking when they want to go shopping and out to eat because of my back. Losing some weight and exercise would help change that. I would also like to be able to walk from the parking lot to the church sanctuary at Bible Study without huffing and puffing.

Carolr - Hope things are going well with your hubby. Tony had the cat scan which shows there might be (according to the technician) a blockage. We will know more about that when he goes for a appt next Tuesday. They did the colonoscopy and the doctor said that looked good.

Blue, Julie and everyone else:wave:

Have a great evening.

carolr3639
01-09-2010, 10:32 AM
Even after losing 40lb, I still want to diet because of the 30 left. So when it comes to the dieting mentality, I guess it never goes away. So most of the time I just try to think, eat when hungry, stop when satisfied. I've had a couple of days when I got too full but I just keep on keeping on.

carolr3639
01-09-2010, 10:33 AM
I should add that winter is harder because I always gain then but I noticed that this winter my clothes still fit. Go figure.

JulieJ08
01-09-2010, 11:21 AM
I should add that winter is harder because I always gain then but I noticed that this winter my clothes still fit. Go figure.

That's fantastic! :carrot:

pattygirl63
01-09-2010, 12:32 PM
I should add that winter is harder because I always gain then but I noticed that this winter my clothes still fit. Go figure.

That is great Carolr. You obviously are doing even better than you thought. I'm sure that gives you a great feeling.

pattygirl63
01-09-2010, 12:46 PM
Today has started good for me food wise. I wasn't hungry enough to cook so had a protein shake for breakfast and my usual 2 c of coffee while I talked to my sister. She had lap band surgery over a week ago and has had some complications and just started feeling good today. The big problem was that the hospital put her on the wrong diet and she experienced a lot of nausea. She also thinks they may have used a sedative that she is allergic to, but won't know that until they can check into it more. I have been interested to learn that the diet plan they have her own is basically the way I enjoy eating accept that she has to eat 5 to 6 small meals daily where I like the idea of eating when hungry and eating until satisfied. Has changed my whole attitude about the way I eat IE/Low carb. I actually feel good physically today and find that I have no "diet" thinking today which is very good.

Starting tomorrow my week goes back to normal for us as for as church classes, BSF etc. BSF started Wednesday, but because of Tony's tests I missed and church small group classes start back tomorrow night. Hopefully that will put some structure back into my days especially Sunday and Wednesday and hopefully I can get some planned exercise into my life. I really need to do that. If I can get some exercise going, I will be well on my way to getting some weight off. I've got my CD's picked out so that I will have variety to keep from falling into boredom so now I JUST NEED TO DO IT.

Y'all have a great week end.

carolr3639
01-09-2010, 01:04 PM
Hi Trish. Concerning exercise, I do 20min a day on the eliptical and sometimes my legs hurt so and I am so breathless that I finally told myself, " This has to be for the Lord." Other wise, I cannot get through it.

Truffle
01-10-2010, 10:02 AM
Good morning, ladies...I have Carol to thank for introducing me to Michelle May's approach to food and weight loss. I always appreciate the articles you post from her, Carol.

I've been making myself gain with all the "last suppering" and "daily diet starting" I've been doing recently, so today I declared to myself that I'd really go back to the non-diet way of living that seems to work the best for me.

I was looking at a few non-diet/IE sites I have marked, and started catching up on Michelle May's blog. I came to one post--and you might have posted it and I missed it, Carol--where she talks about eating from smaller plates and bowls. The article is here (http://www.eatwhatyoulovelovewhatyoueat.com/2009/07/mindless-eating-join-the-small-plate-movement.html).

Michelle's article linked to Brian Wansink, the author of "Mindless Eating", and his research on how we've all started eating more since the 1970s, due mainly to the fast food places competing for business by "supersizing" the servings.

This rang a bell with me. My husband has a HUGE appetite, has ever since I've known him, and he easily serves us enough for four portions when he serves us. We also have some HUGE bowls that we regularly use, and they are way too big for "normal" portions. We also have some very large glasses that my husband likes to use for his chocolate milk. I've fallen into the habit of heaping my plate and keeping up with his portions because, after eating that much for several years, anything less looks "too small", if that makes sense.

Anyway, I decided to try the small plate thing. I took those huge bowls and huge glasses out of the cupboard and will either get rid of them, or store them away out of sight. We have some plates that are a couple of inches smaller than our regular dinner plates, so I'm going to try to remember to serve our meals on those instead of the larger ones.

This seems like an easy way to start eating a little bit less, without any real hardship, and if we do take seconds, it'll still be less than what we were eating because most of the time we take seconds on the huge plates too.

Brian Wansink was also talking about how it's easy to overeat from large boxes or bags, and this is true. We were eating Hershey's Kisses last night, and I was just reaching into the bag and getting a big handful of them out. I think I'm going to try portioning them out according to what the portion size says on the bag. That way, it'll at least make me think about what I'm eating if I finish one portion then go to the bag for more.

I don't think this will feel "diet-y" to me. I look forward to seeing how these little changes help.

ALO22
01-10-2010, 08:14 PM
Becky, I think all those changes are great ideas! I started using smaller plates a while ago too and if I want seconds I go for it and it works! I do the same with my OJ in the morning, I use the small cups and fill just half of it. If I want more, I know it's there, but I hardly ever do wnat more. But it happens that the last cup of the gallon is usually bigger, cause there's no point in leaving a little bit left, and I end up drinking the whole cup!

So, I noticed my first tangible IE victory: I always crave some chocolate after my meals, so I brought a biiiiig bar of Hershey's milk chocolate to work and put it in one of my drawers. When my co-worker saw it she said "that's so dangerous!" (as if the chocolate may explode) and I told her "well, I like to think of it as just chocolate and I eat it if I want some." I think I put that bar in the drawer 2 weeks ago and I just finished it yesterday... and also, I can barely tolerate milk chocolate anymore (I never thought THAT would happen to me).

So, after venting out about my friend, my attitude has really made a positive turn. I am enjoying having her here and we are cooking A LOT! we are making a lot of home made food: bean empanadas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empanada), squash and cheese quiche, rice with veggies...

This is the closest I've been so far to being completely at peace with food.

Oh and it's been three months since I started "working out"... my butt looks amazing =D ahhahaha

So, i know i'm on one of my highs right now, but after reporting so many downs, it feels nice to tell you all how I feel.

I hope you all feel as good =D

carolr3639
01-12-2010, 12:25 PM
Kind of slow around here. Not much new with me. How are you all doing?

sidhe
01-13-2010, 12:09 AM
Carol--Thanks for asking! I've been extremely busy--we're closing on our new house any day now, and there's all sorts of paperwork, inspections, tests, people to see, people to talk to, trips to the house...argh! But it's a wonderful house and we're really excited. :D

I'm getting along very well with my GoWear Fit. I've discovered (had verified?) that I burn lots and lots of calories everyday. I'm extrapolating, of course, but assuming that these numbers are right I would have been burning about 5,000 calories a DAY while I was working. Gee, I wonder why I couldn't make WW (35 points, roughly 1800 calories) work for me? I wonder why I was often so hungry? I wonnder why I was so often willing to just throw away my dietary plans by the end of the day?

Gee, wonder why. :rolleyes:

That being said, I'm trying to let myself eat. I'm actually very challenged by it, but with the GWF as a guide I think I'm really learning what "full" and "hungry" feel like. I've been sooooo comfortable with my body lately! I'm not constantly quizzing myself: can I be hungry now? Am I THIS hungry? IS it okay if I admit I'm hungry and eat a bit more? I've done so much work with myself on making it "okay" to be hungry and eat, but this has just deepened everything I learned about myself. I have been so content.

And, miraculously, I've NOT been obsessive! I was a bit afraid that having this would knock me back into obsession again, and just reinforce what I had so often told myself--that I am lazy, and I eat too much, and I am this way because I'm stupid and can't follow the simplest of directions, etc etc. BUT!! I HAVEN'T been so focused on playing with my food and my portions and my calories and my meals and the timing of my meals and...everything! I've been wearing it, eating when I'm hungry, writing down what I'm eating, and...moving on. It's been so great. I download once at night, and since I have some vague idea how many calories I'm burning I know it's okay to eat. No games. I cannot tell you how liberating this is.

I have tried for SO MANY YEARS to eat less and move more. Well DUH, sometimes the standard answer doesn't work. But I was so afraid to try anything else--because then, if I did, I really DID deserve to be fat, right?--that I just kept eating less and moving more. Until I just couldn't eat less anymore, and my body forced me to eat. I haven't ever been able to find a balance. But now...aaaaaahhhhh. :cb: :cb: :cb: I'm eating more and moving less [intensely]. And it's working! :D

Life has expanded, just because I'm not so dang focused on one puzzle to which I was missing a variable. Now I've got that answer I was looking for, and my focus has shifted. I'm living my life, playing with my friends, moving my house, loving my husband, planning my future adventures...it's just amazing, what happens when you can let go of something that has challenged you for so long. :D

(Do I sound like a disciple? Sorry! I'm just really, really pleased. :))

pattygirl63
01-13-2010, 08:44 AM
A quick flyby to say hello as I'm getting ready to head out to BSF meeting this morning. Got results of DH tests yesterday and everything is fine. The doc thinks the things he has been experiencing is the side affects of his pain meds so Tony will have to cut back on those or find something else for his back pains and headaches.

Y'all have a great day.

carolr3639
01-13-2010, 09:45 AM
Sorry to hear about your Dh Trish. I take it from your post, Sidhe, that you are still doing IE with the use of the other thing. I needed a boost myself as it seemed nothing tasted good anymore so I am doing EODD with IE. I just let myself get a lot hungrier every other day I feel better so far.

sidhe
01-13-2010, 11:00 AM
Trish--I hope your husband gets things worked out for the best. :hug:

Carol--Yes, I'm still doing IE with my GWF. The GWF is actually helping with the IE! The IE tells me it's OKAY to be hungry right now, and the GWF tells my scientific mind that it's entirely possible to be hungry right now since I've just burned 1,000 calories. They work together beautifully, for me. I'm still paying attention and not stuffing food into myself, no matter what the GWF says. I'm still listening to my body and giving it what it asks for. (It wants fruit a lot lately!) It's a symbiotic relationship. ;)

carolr3639
01-14-2010, 06:59 PM
I've been trying the Every other day diet but it looks like it's back to IE I haven't been doing very well about getting hungry and nothing tastes as good. So I started the EODD and of course I was very hungry and everything tastes so good. But I tend to over do it on off days.

sidhe
01-15-2010, 12:56 AM
Carol--That's what I was afraid would happen with me. WAAAAY too much "making up" on the off days. I'd never have a deficit, because I'd always eat up the difference.

Natoshial
01-15-2010, 04:37 AM
Hi everyone!!! Just a little rant.... One day this Buddha Belly will be GONE!!! I had to go to the hospital tonight and the guy at the front desk thought I was there because I was pregnant. I politely said "No" and I think he could tell I was offended cause he started making excuses like," There was a girl in here earlier that was 7 months and I couldn't tell cause she was so tiny".

Anyways, this just made me more motivated to do my best. I've been slack since the holidays and I have had a hard time getting back into the groove of things.

My goal is to lose at least 39 lbs by the time the summer gets here. I will still be a far cry from bathing suit ready but it will be a lot more comfortable in this southern heat. I want to be able to wear shorts again soon and sleeveless tops. Oh the Freedom!!!!

Hope you all are doing great!!!

carolr3639
01-15-2010, 11:10 AM
Rant away, Natoshial, just look what you've accomplished so far....38lb down. We'll be visiting our son and family for a couple of days so probably won't be back until Mon. I ate a normal breakfast of toast, banana and soy milk this morning and am completely satisfied.

carolr3639
01-18-2010, 09:14 AM
Just saying hi.

Truffle
01-18-2010, 10:27 AM
Good morning, everyone...I think that Every Other Day Diet would do me in too. I'm finding that I've developed a very hair-trigger kind of thing in response to the slightest efforts to "restrict" myself to some sort of an eating plan. I immediately "rebel" and start eating junk.

This happened to me again this morning. I'm very frustrated and discouraged again with my lack of weight loss--and the increasing numbers on the scale (which I wouldn't even know about if I'd STAY OFF the stupid thing). I've been trying for the last few days to rope myself into doing low carb, start off each day with eggs, get the "rebellion" set off in my head, then I go eat a bunch of something sugary I don't really need.

WHEN will I learn that the IE/non-diet way works better, no matter what kind of diet plan is working for my sisters? All I'm doing is taking in food that I don't really want, and it ends up being extra because I go and eat what I really wanted after I eat what I didn't want, if that makes sense.

That's my little Monday morning rant I guess.

We're having a "mini January thaw" right now, so it's nice and warm outside. Spring is not that far away.

Hope you all enjoy the day!

carolr3639
01-18-2010, 10:47 AM
Me too. Makes perfect sense.

pattygirl63
01-18-2010, 01:03 PM
Good morning, everyone...I think that Every Other Day Diet would do me in too. I'm finding that I've developed a very hair-trigger kind of thing in response to the slightest efforts to "restrict" myself to some sort of an eating plan. I immediately "rebel" and start eating junk.

This happened to me again this morning. I'm very frustrated and discouraged again with my lack of weight loss--and the increasing numbers on the scale (which I wouldn't even know about if I'd STAY OFF the stupid thing). I've been trying for the last few days to rope myself into doing low carb, start off each day with eggs, get the "rebellion" set off in my head, then I go eat a bunch of something sugary I don't really need.

WHEN will I learn that the IE/non-diet way works better, no matter what kind of diet plan is working for my sisters? All I'm doing is taking in food that I don't really want, and it ends up being extra because I go and eat what I really wanted after I eat what I didn't want, if that makes sense.

That's my little Monday morning rant I guess.

We're having a "mini January thaw" right now, so it's nice and warm outside. Spring is not that far away.

Hope you all enjoy the day!

Becky:hug: - Diane Kresse who wrote The Metabolism Miracle Diet says there are 2 types of metabolisms. Metabolism A people can lose weight eating regular diets. Metabolism B people (low carbers) cannot or find it very difficult to lose on the same diet that is for Met A. She says the reason she doesn't like for her clients to weigh everyday is because when we are dieting that the scale is all over the place and we get discouraged and quit the diet thinking it isn't working. This is why she recommends in her Step 1 Eight week program that you don't weigh during the 8 weeks. We just lose pounds slower, however, we lose inches faster than the Met A which she says makes us look like we lose 2 lbs instead of 1.

I decided on Jan 1st to test this. I am doing a more General Low Carb IE. My goal was 20 g carbs a day and the bad thing is that there were many days I didn't come near the 20 g carbs. I went 30 g yesterday hoping that I will make at least the 20 grams. Any way, I am weighing everyday. On Jan 1st, I was 234 lbs and I've lost down to 229. I am graph charting the weight each day and believe me if I had been going by the weigh the scale looked instead of trusting the low carb diet, I would have quit. One day I would be 233, then 233.5 then 232 followed by 233 then I would go back down to 232 and so on. I've learned that I hit my low weight for a day and then it bounces. It might bounce up to anything between 1 to 4 lbs but it does settle at the low. Right now I've bouncing between 229 and 231.5, but by tomorrow or the next day it will settle at 229 before Iwill begin to bounce with another lb or 2 loss. I don't know why this happens, but I just know that it does so I have to accept it and live with it. This is where I have to trust my way of eating and not my scale. I think by staying with my plan of Intuitive Eating low carb, I might be able to lose between at least 5 lbs and I might even lose up to 8 lbs a month. At least I will be losing. Besides, if I can lose 5 lbs and look like I've lost 10? I'll take that gladly. I've also read how much healthier older low carb dieters are than the lowfat dieters are. So there are a lot of good reasons for doing what I'm doing.

I think you feel guilty about not doing what your sisters are doing. Don't do that to yourself. Besides, from what I've learned from reading Diane Kresse's book, we may have done this to ourselves with years of losing and gaining. So if your sisters don't keep the weight off when they lose it, they will get to the place they may need to do what you are doing. You will have the answers. So give yourself a break girl. Find they way of eating that you can enjoy and do it. I like meat and salads. I have a few veggies that I really enjoy and others I can take or leave. You know what? Others might be bored with the way I eat now, but I love and I enjoy it. It may take me a year or 2 or more to get to what I want to weigh, but I am enjoying what I am doing along the way and I know I'm getting healthier while doing it. And I don't ANYTHING I DON'T LIKE. IE says to eat what I love and I do.:)

Hope this helps you. It has helped me just writing it. Remember, EVERYONE HAS TO FIND THEIR OWN WAY FOR IT TO WORK.

Carol, Blue and everyone else:wave:

Have a great day.

Shay
01-18-2010, 07:05 PM
Hi everyone,
It seems every new year (last time I visited was 1-28-09) I seem to come back. I hope it is for good this time. Everyone is always so supportive. I changed my screen name the last time I was here from likenoother to Shay.

carolr3639
01-18-2010, 09:39 PM
Good to see you Shay. I've been doing the winter thing of eating just for fun. Not good. Must do better.

carolr3639
01-19-2010, 10:52 AM
A recent post from Maggie Miller.

What if I told you that your weight would never change? That whatever number that appears on the scale today is what it will be for the rest of your life (despite the fact that I don't really believe in scales)? I'd like to know the answer.

Would you minimize your email window right now and walk to the nearest ice cream store? Would you make a doughnut date with your best friend for tomorrow morning? Would you eat every cookie and cupcake passed around the office no matter what the flavor? If so, awesome. Go for it!

Seriously. If you need permission, I hereby grant it to you: you have unconditional permission to eat whatever you want whenever you want it. Remember, in this scenario, there is no changing your weight. It is what it will be for the rest of your life.

I ask this question because last month, I overheard two different nutritionists saying that, really, we can't change our weights. Shocking? It shouldn't be. We all know by now that diets don't work. Yes, I suppose that if we continually eat past our fullness levels, perhaps we'll increase our weights. And yes, if we starve ourselves for any length of time, perhaps we'll decrease our weights (temporarily). But as we all know by now, diets don't work, and 95 percent of people who lose weight on diets end up regaining it ultimately (oftentimes reaching higher weights than they were at prior to dieting). So, really, the vast majority of us are meant to be at whatever weight we're meant to be at.

End. Of. Story.

So I ask you again, what would you do if you knew that your weight would not be impacted by what you ate? Just for fun, why don't you play with that notion for the next month. Eat whatever you'd like and pay attention to how it makes you feel. If you truly give yourself unconditional permission to eat whatever you want (and are not worried about your weight for one moment), I think something magical might happen for you. It happens for virtually everyone who goes through this process, also known as intuitive eating. I could tell you that you'll eventually learn which foods leave you feeling fabulous and which ones make you want to curl into the fetal position in your bed and not get up until morning. But I'd prefer not to answer the question for you, and instead let you experience it fully. For yourself.

Let me know how it goes, and if you can't bring yourself to try this experiment, write to me and let me know why. No judgment here. Just curiosity with the aim of helping you make peace with food and with yourself. Happy eating!

Truffle
01-19-2010, 11:20 AM
Thanks for posting that article, Carol. When she asked what would you do if you knew your weight would NEVER change, my first thought was "shoot myself"--but that's not really true.

If I NEVER had hopes of being any smaller, I'd probably empty my life of a whole lot of mental stress just because I'd never again have to waste good brain space thinking about how I was going to try to get the weight off.

I'd probably buy clothes that fit and are comfortable, instead of constantly wearing worn out old stuff because "any day now" I'm going to be smaller, then I'll be able to go shop for some "decent stuff".

I'd quit hiding. I'd stop ducking around corners in the grocery store before I run into people I know. I'd quit making excuses for why I didn't want to participate in a social activity.

I'd quit thinking my WHOLE life is a failure simply because I happen to live in a very large body.

Boy, this article is really food for thought, isn't it? :cheer2:

mj2007
01-19-2010, 02:49 PM
Thanks Carol...the article was very educating.I have often wondered myself..why diets don't work? I have been a medium built person all my life...then I got married and started eating whatever I want.This is my first time being overweight and trying to lose.I am losing but I am afraid...what if it all comes back someday?What can I do to avoid that?

I think the first key is "intuitive eating".As I am going thru this weight loss process...I am learning things about my own body I never knew.What makes me lose weight...what makes me gain or stay the same?I believe the key is to know your own body...listen to your body.

The second key...forgetting about being on diet. If we can forget that we are on diet and believe this is a life style...it is possible to maintain your goal weight. Sure it is okay to go for a donut ocassionally...or a slice of birthday cake...or dining out...but as long as that is no more than once a week, it should be okay.

The third key...learn to say no to yourself or others. If you feel full...then you are full...you can't sneak in another slice of cake.

The fourth and final key...don't be fooled by the "just 80 cal latte" or " just 100 cal dessert"...if you don't make it at home, there is a great chance that it is NOT supposed to be consumed everyday.Occasional treat is better than having something everyday...remember 30 mins of house cleaning can only burn 120 cal!!!

Shay
01-19-2010, 06:12 PM
That's a great article, Carol. It really makes you think.

Natoshial
01-20-2010, 04:33 AM
Great article Carol!!! Thanks for posting it really got me to thinking.

I don't know how this works. I mean, How do you lose inches without losing weight? A few weeks ago I tried on my size 20's. I have clothes all the way down to a size 12. They were just to tight. Yesterday I noticed my 22's were so big. Eventhough, I haven't lost any weight. Actually I'm up just a little. I'm trying to get back to my ticker weight.

So, I decided to try on my size 20's again. Low and Behold to my amazement they fit perfectly. I've heard people talk about losing inches without weight loss. Just never experienced it.

Anyone else here experienced this? I am curious as to how this works.

pattygirl63
01-20-2010, 08:35 AM
Good Morning Everyone,

Carolr Thanks for the article. Really good. This morning as I was dressing to go to BSF, I started to weigh a second time and this question hit my mind "Do you want to do this this the rest of your life?" I think it had to do with that article. I decided that I don't. I didn't weigh a second time and I don't feel the need to weigh any more for a while. In fact, I don't want to diet any more. No more writing down foods I eat etc. I have spent the last 45+ years on diets, journaling etc, etc, and I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE DOING THAT ANY MORE.

My goodness I know pretty much what I can and cannot eat when it comes to dieting. I don't need a diet to follow. I"ve decided that at my age I want to relax. In fact, yesterday I figured out that if I eat like I really want to eat and enjoy eating is Intuitively and when I don't diet I really don't eat that much. Out of curiosity, I wrote down what I eat and figured cals and carbs and when I don't really follow anyone elses way of eating but my own, I only eat between 1100 to 1300 cals and usually no more than about 40 to 60 carbs most of the time. If I would just eat normal for me, I would lose weight without even trying. So that is what I'm going to do. Maybe it won't come off as quick as it used to and maybe it won't come off at all, I don't know. Just know I am tired of thinking about it and thinking of diets.

Welcome MJ and any other Newbies I've missed. Welcome back Shay Glad you are all here.

Got to head out of here. Catch y'all later. Beautiful morning not raining for a change this Wednesday. Rain tonight.

Everybody have a great IE Day, I AM!!!.

Jelma
01-20-2010, 09:55 AM
I am glad I found this board. I was reading some of the diet plans and thinking, I don't really want to do this, I don't need a list of unacceptable/acceptable foods.

I am with pattygirl above - I know what to eat, I know what will help me lose weight. I really do just need to trust my intuition. My diet, for the most part, is healthy. It is just too many random calories - extra bite here and there that I do not need and will not miss.

So far this year Intuitive eating has helped me lose 7 pounds without really trying, and that is pretty awesome.

Shay
01-20-2010, 10:13 AM
Carol again thanks for the article. When I get a chance I will read Maggie Miller's entire blog from the beginning. I also plan to purchase her book. Before I can purchase her book I have to either complete listening to one of my Geneen Roth audio cd's, finish my "Are You Ready" book by Bob from the Biggest Loser, or finish my Superfoods book. So it may be a minute, lol.

It's great to be back Pattygirl!

carolr3639
01-20-2010, 10:16 AM
Welcome Jelma. Good to have another person's experience. Natoshial, I have had that happen and some say it might be because you are building muscle and it weighs more but takes up less room than fat.

ALO22
01-20-2010, 08:54 PM
Hi everyone...

Carol, that was a great read. I really like Maggie.
I don't feel lie writing much right now... I just wanted to say hi and send hugs and good vibes to everyone:

I wish we all reconnect with our bodies and enjoy them. They are wonderful.
I wish we all allow ourselves to feel pleasure without guilt.
I wish we all comprehend we deserve to enjoy.

Let's not punish ourselves, we are all really nice people =)

carolr3639
01-21-2010, 09:02 AM
Off today with my DH to the cardiologist. He has atrial fibrilation and I want to hear what the dr. says about that. Then to help my DD with painting walls. At night we will go straight from there to Bible study, Lord willing, so it will be a long day for me. There is freezing rain in the forecast, too.

ALO22
01-21-2010, 09:26 AM
Carol,

I know you've been having some rough days =)
I hope you feel better soon!

pattygirl63
01-21-2010, 11:24 AM
Good Morning Everyone,:wave:

A cold rainy day here but not freezing. Just makes for a dreary looking day when you would love to stay under the covers and sleep all day. DH would say "why don't you?" I just wouldn't want to get into a habit of it and I could.:dizzy:

carolr You do have a busy day planned and hope you get it all in. I hope every thing goes well at the cardiologist for your DH. They have things that help a lot these days.:hug:

ALO wroteI wish we all reconnect with our bodies and enjoy them. They are wonderful.
I wish we all allow ourselves to feel pleasure without guilt.
I wish we all comprehend we deserve to enjoy.
Let's not punish ourselves, we are all really nice people =)

ALO I agree.

Yesterday was one of those eat, eat days. We went out to eat and I over did the dessert. Then came home and grazed too much. Today seems to be a better day. I guess we just have those days and have to accept it and move on.

Blue, Julie are you guys okay?

Everybody have a great IE day!!!:)

pattygirl63
01-21-2010, 11:26 AM
Jelma:welcome3: Glad you are here and look forward to getting to know you.

Blue Serenity
01-21-2010, 03:04 PM
Hi Trish and everyone! :wave:

I'm OK, thanks for asking. Just been quietly reading. Not much going on with me. I must be doing IE well because I'm not stressing over food and don't really have anything to say about it. LOL! Now as for the weight ... well, that's another story. It is what it is. I just need to watch my portions if I ever want to get the weight off. That's the only way I can ... and I know it.

Carol, hope everything goes OK for your hubby!

Have a great one everyone! :sunny:

ALO22
01-21-2010, 04:21 PM
Blue,

i hear you about the portions... live and learn =S

pattygirl63
01-22-2010, 01:24 PM
Hi Everybody,:wave:

Had a fairly good IE day yesterday. Better than the day before.

Blue and ALO I too need to watch my portions more as well. Need to pay more attention to eating slow and recognizing that "satisfied" feeling rather than rushing through my meal to get through. That is when I seem to overdo portions.

I am still dealing with that stupid "diet mentality" voice talking to me that I'm trying to ignore. I hope there comes a day I am free of that stupid voice.

I need to get back to those 4 Golden Rules I was following before the holidays. For those who don't know what those are...

(1) If your hungry eat.
(2) Eat what you like , not what you think you should eat.
(3) Eat slow and savor every bite.
(4) Stop when you start to feel full. I prefer when I feel satisfied.

That is such a simple way of following IE and so easy to do. It should be. I think I've been so "diet focused" for sooooo many years that maybe subconcously I have a really difficult time believing those 4 simple rules or ideas will work. But I know they will because they worked for me in the past. I've just got to :kickbutt: those thoughts right out of my life and start to trust those 4 little GR again. Yes it is slow losing weight, but hey isn't losing slowly better than not losing at all or maybe even gaining more?

Sorry, guess I'm giving myself a good talking too.

[I]Y'all have a great week end and I'll catch y'all later.

carolr3639
01-22-2010, 05:59 PM
Hi all. Dh is still having more tests because they can't figure out why he is having chest pain. The cardiologist doesn't think it is the atrial fibrilation. His bp and pulse are good and he gets lots of exercise. He is a veterinarian and a farmer and plays all kinds of sports including snow boarding. They did the 24 hr. heart monitor and will do a stress test Mon. Lots of running to the dr. and it is an hour away. Still freezing rain here. I like to stay home. IE is ok just now.

ALO22
01-23-2010, 12:40 AM
Carol... You know what I've come to realize in my short 24 years of life? That somtimes being an adult sucks =S
I'm sorry you and your husband have to go through this.

Speaking of DH's... Yesterday (Jan 22) was our first wedding anniversary =D I can't belive it ^_^

Katterina
01-23-2010, 03:48 PM
Portion control is something I have been working on lately. I fight the old habit of filling my entire plate, lest I forget my satiety and eat to clean the plate. I figure I can always go back for more if I am still hungry... although I don't want to make a habit mindlessly of going back for more, either. I guess the key is remembering to be "in the moment."

carolr3639
01-23-2010, 05:03 PM
Welcome, Katterina. Looks like you don't have far to go. That's great!

Lucky Charm
01-23-2010, 05:14 PM
Hi all! I'm new to this thread. I was wondering if anybody was doing what I was doing. It seemed most people were counting calories or following a specific diet plan. More power and all the best to them. But it's not something I could do, I realized.

I don't want to focus on food. I was somewhat addicted to eating. The worst part is my body was giving me signals to stop and I wouldn't listen. Feeling uncomfortably full, regurgitating back food (not on purpose), etc. I just wouldn't stop.

Since the beginning of January I've just focused on listening to my body, for once. That and I just started running yesterday (hoping to keep it up or at least run as many days I can). And so far I've lost 15 lbs. I've been eating three times a day, only as much as I need, stopping when my body says enough. When I do eat, I try to choose the most healthiest thing available to me. I keep healthy food around me to choose from so I don't have to plan, plan, plan. I don't believe planning out what I'm going to eat for the whole week is the way to go for me. Life is too short and unexpected to plan and count calories. I want to train myself in such a way that even in an emergency situation I know what to eat, what's good for me and choose accordingly. I appreciate my body so much more now. I'm not afraid to go hungry for another hour or so until lunch time anymore. Grazing what got me into this obesity mess in the first place, whether I was hungry or not. Psychologically, eating every three hours or so puts me back in that binging mindset, that I have to be eating something constantly.

Basically, I'm just taking this one day at a time. I'm glad there's a thread for intuitive eating.

pattygirl63
01-23-2010, 05:46 PM
Carolr So sorry you are going through all this. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

ALO Wishing you and your DH a HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!

katterina and Lucky Charm:welcome2: Glad to have you two here.

Katterina I too am working on portion control although we are supposed to learn to stop when we are starting to feel full. It seems that lately portion control is what I need to work on.

Luckey Charm CONGRATULATIONS on the 15 lbs lost. I am in agreement with you. I don't want to spend all my time focused on foods, writing, counting planning in advance. I also want to be able to go with the flow of what is going on around me and just learn to eat only what I need to satisfy me and no more. I want to enjoy what I eat not be afraid of it for some reason or other.