The Biggest Loser - Winning by Losing - Did Bob say eat 1,200 cals and burn 6,000 a day?




mara11jade
09-24-2009, 04:34 AM
Or am I crazy?


kaplods
09-24-2009, 04:36 AM
To pull the kind of losses Biggest Loser contestants do, I think they'd have to be doing pretty much that.

Would it be smart for anyone without an ambulance and paramedics standing by? I'm not so sure.

Hamoco350
09-24-2009, 04:57 AM
It kinda makes me wonder how these people survive after the show is over. I love watching Biggest Loser, but I always think about these people, and their real lives. I just think losing weight too fast is a scary thing.


aurorasworld
09-24-2009, 05:57 AM
Or am I crazy?

Not only that, but I would turn into Super B**ch!:devil: It would be seriously scary! I get cranky if I miss a meal and go under 1500, can you see me at 1200 and exercising that much. They would think that some demon from **** had taken over the ranch! hehehehe!:dizzy:

Blessings,
Ro

Mercy03
09-24-2009, 09:18 AM
Or am I crazy?

I was kind of shocked when I heard that too, but in retrospect I think they do that because of the major health issues most of the contestants have because of their obesity. Better to take the weight off quickly, as evidenced by most of them getting off all of the meds by the end of the show.

Life saving stuff.

Liz

redlet33
09-24-2009, 07:40 PM
I have heard that it is not good to loose weight as fast as they do because it can damage internal organs making them weaker.

kaplods
09-24-2009, 08:23 PM
There's quite a bit of evidence that for most people, even most super, morbidly obese people, very rapid weight loss and rapid increases in intense exercise actually compounds the risk of injury or health risks - but I think that there's a common belief (based in fact or not) that the risk is generally "worth it" because fast weight loss is the only way to motivate people to keep losing - without it, people won't be able to sustain the motivation for lasting change. So even medical and nutritional experts who acknowledge that slow and steady is the safer route, may believe that faster is better in keeping people committed to change (it seems odd, that educating people to accept slow and steady changes isn't even considered as an option).

This time I'm intentionally trying to lose slowly, and it does feel like a lot of people in my life think I'm crazy or "making excuses," and yet this is the longest time (by a factor of about ten) that I've ever gone without backsliding. But, I'm so much treated like the odd ball, that I do wonder if one of the reasons that slow weight loss isn't more common/popular is because people just assume that only fast weight loss is legitimate weight loss - anyone who does it slow is lazy or making excuses, or just not as serious and motivated as the quick loser.

For me, it's a purely practical decision. I'm doing it slow, because I have health issues that mean even my fastest weight loss is still pretty slow, but also that this slowre pace is working better for me physically and mentally than fast weight loss ever has. Maybe I am lazy and less motivated, but I'm off the yoyo rollercoaster and am succeeding, so I guess lazy and unmotivated is working for me.

harrismm
09-24-2009, 09:03 PM
I believe slow weight loss is better.I also think though that if you are attempting to lose the weight, you really should see some loss at least monthly or obviously you are not truly sticking with your plan.I work with a lady who had been dieting for years.As far as I can tell she has not lost a pound.But she talks about it constantly, gives others advice on how to do it, and unfortunately is discounted by all.Not I do understand plateaus....but years???Hummm......As far as the biggest loser, I have recently lost a lot of respect for that show after several posts on this board recently.I used to be a fan though.

jefferzzzz
09-24-2009, 09:11 PM
I wondered how in the heck they did it so quickly... That's kinda scary though!

misskimothy
09-24-2009, 09:56 PM
They are eating 1200 calories a day. The 6000 to burn most likely includes their BMR as measured by their bodybuggs. The resting BMR for someone like Shay at 400 plus pounds is at least 2800 calories. They have to burn the difference which is 3200 calories. This means a deficit of 2000 calories a day (3200 less 1200 intake)
I think based on how the show works that this is what they are doing. It just sounds better if they say 6000.

Idealmuse
09-24-2009, 11:57 PM
Editing....

Idealmuse
09-25-2009, 12:17 AM
They are eating 1200 calories a day. The 6000 to burn most likely includes their BMR as measured by their bodybuggs. The resting BMR for someone like Shay at 400 plus pounds is at least 2800 calories. They have to burn the difference which is 3200 calories. This means a deficit of 2000 calories a day (3200 less 1200 intake)
I think based on how the show works that this is what they are doing. It just sounds better if they say 6000.

You're right they say 6000 because that's just how the bodybugg tells you your overall burn number to aim for. You have to include BMR. Yes, Shay would have to burn 3,200 calories on top of her 2,800 to reach 6000 burned (Burned and deficit not being the same thing) so Shays 2,000 target would be a 3,100 target at my weight for example if I wanted to arrive at the same deficit, but that's not quite how bodybugg sets it up. It looks more like this:

Calories Burned (including BMR) - Calories Consumed = Calorie Balance (deficit)

6000 - 1200 = 4,800 deficit (which I think comes to somewhere to like 9.6 pounds per week they are aiming for in this example?) (4,800 x 7 = 33,600 / 3,500 = 9.6)

I also use a bodybugg and my burn Target is 3000 eating 1500 calories for 3lb/week, which is pretty aggressive already... I can't imagine aiming for double that!

misskimothy
09-25-2009, 12:24 PM
I see what you are saying! I guess all I was trying to say is that instead of having to exercise 6000 calories away, they need to exercise 6000 calories less their BMR. Which is a little different, perception wise, but still really really tough. Sometimes how they word things or do things on TBL seem shocking but arent' as shocking as we thing. Like the time last year that they walked a marathon. I was shocked that they would have to do this, but when I thought about it, they were walking at their own pace with a full medical support team following them and they could stop and rest and didn't have to do it at all. This I think is different from my perception that they would have to do it under "event conditions", where you have like 7 hours to complete it.

I know that they really inspired me last year. I think I might start to train for walking a marathon! That would be a great goal and sometimes shows like these can motivate or help a person realize that the ability to do amazing things is within each of us. We just have to dig deep and realize that we CAN do these things, instead of deciding that we CAN'T. Often "we CAN'T" really is "we WON'T" and THAT is a different issue altogether.

Idealmuse
09-25-2009, 08:53 PM
Yeah shock value for TV I guess, and the marathon thing like you say isn't as bad as it sounds. Most people can do one in 8-9 hours or so. Those people had been working out at a super intense level for months so their body could handle it. I'm sure several of the people who took longer took rest breaks.

Although, I have to admit it was a bit irresponsible to make Ron do that. They must have had medics following his shadow!

I think it's cool how it inspired a lot of people. I haven't done a mary but my ironman includes a marathon at the end (yes I am crazy to have signed up for that one!!)

I'm not sure how I feel about them telling the general public about the 6000 target though... I imagine a few people are going to try and attempt that. Not cool. I'd have to work out for 8+ hours to get anywhere near that. My VERY best day I burned 4200 I think... maybe 4500.

RayStar
09-26-2009, 08:38 PM
Beautiful posts here but I want to lose it any kind of way. I quit smoking with none of the heartaches and can't seem to drop two pounds for the life of me. Good reading here and I will continue to keep my mind on losing this 50+ pound baggage.

L144S
09-28-2009, 03:15 PM
I think there are some "free' foods like leafy greens.

I too have a BB, but they are looking for a 6000 calorie burn on the BB at th end of the day. these contestants are so monitored that I am sure it is safe AND 1200 calories is not unheard of especially if you limit carbs/fat which eat up calories faster than protien/ veggies and fruit giving one more volume for the calories. Also they are eating very high fiber.

I think the reason this diet is difficult to do at home is because this is the contestants job. they have nothing else todo but focus on the diet/lifestyle.

Ija
09-28-2009, 03:37 PM
This time I'm intentionally trying to lose slowly, and it does feel like a lot of people in my life think I'm crazy or "making excuses," and yet this is the longest time (by a factor of about ten) that I've ever gone without backsliding. But, I'm so much treated like the odd ball, that I do wonder if one of the reasons that slow weight loss isn't more common/popular is because people just assume that only fast weight loss is legitimate weight loss - anyone who does it slow is lazy or making excuses, or just not as serious and motivated as the quick loser.

Yes, definitely this ^^

Kaplods, don't listen to the naysayers. Since I deliberately chose the slow and steady route rather than the old fast and furious dieting approach, I too have been told that I wasn't serious about losing weight and getting healthy, that I was making excuses, that my plan was full of "nonsense and BS" (even by fellow 3FChicks). I'm now 150 pounds lighter, and could probably bench press half of those people.

Nevermind the snobs, do your thing.

Lori Bell
09-29-2009, 03:32 PM
Yes, definitely this ^^

Kaplods, don't listen to the naysayers. Since I deliberately chose the slow and steady route rather than the old fast and furious dieting approach, I too have been told that I wasn't serious about losing weight and getting healthy, that I was making excuses, that my plan was full of "nonsense and BS" (even by fellow 3FChicks). I'm now 150 pounds lighter, and could probably bench press half of those people.

Nevermind the snobs, do your thing.


Are you serious, people told you that? I have to admit I have found your posts intriguing, and decided to read more about your weight loss approach. According to your "new" beginnings post in January of 08 to your first 100 pounds lost post in November 08, in right around a years time you cranked off 100 pounds, then another 50 over the next 8 to 9 months. I surely wouldn't consider that slow, or a snails pace, that is rather a quick weight loss IMO. :?:

Ija
09-29-2009, 06:57 PM
Are you serious, people told you that? I have to admit I have found your posts intriguing, and decided to read more about your weight loss approach. According to your "new" beginnings post in January of 08 to your first 100 pounds lost post in November 08, in right around a years time you cranked off 100 pounds, then another 50 over the next 8 to 9 months. I surely wouldn't consider that slow, or a snails pace, that is rather a quick weight loss IMO. :?:

Actually yes, someone on 3FC told me that.

By the way, I lost around 25-30 pounds in 2007, about 75 or so in 2008, and about 45-50 in 2009. Even in 2008 (when I lost weight quickly by my standards) it was less than 1.5 pounds per week. My total weight loss took well over two years. Does that really strike you as rapid?

My 'new beginnings' post was more about a change in my approach (or outlook, more accurately) than starting a new one. I had already lost some weight by then. And truthfully, I was pretty naive about losing weight when I started, and didn't deliberately begin to eat more until I took up weight lifting.

If only I had realized sooner...

Echo
10-01-2009, 04:12 PM
They are eating 1200 calories a day. The 6000 to burn most likely includes their BMR as measured by their bodybuggs. The resting BMR for someone like Shay at 400 plus pounds is at least 2800 calories. They have to burn the difference which is 3200 calories. This means a deficit of 2000 calories a day (3200 less 1200 intake)
I think based on how the show works that this is what they are doing. It just sounds better if they say 6000.

haha i just heard bob say that and thought WHAT! lol

that makes total sense now!!!

paris81
10-18-2009, 10:44 PM
I'm glad I saw this post! I thought that I must have heard wrong when he said that! But apparently not...it does make sense though, with the kind of weight they're losing.

I just can't imagine that. And I agree...how do they go into their real life and maintain. I wonder what the stats are on BL maintenance.

Also, for the 1200 calories, they're being heavily supervised, and I imagine that they are given supplements to make sure that they're getting all the nutrients they need. I would never want to have to do that!

McKenziesmomma
11-02-2009, 01:55 PM
I think they are eating more than 1200 calories....if I'm not mistaken there was an episode last season where Bob had several of them work together on their meals for the day and track their calories....and Bob kept saying they weren't eating enough calories.....I will try to find that specific episode....but I remember him saying when they are working out the way they are they need more calories than someone at home who isn't working out 4-6 hours a day

srmb60
11-02-2009, 02:11 PM
Yes, definitely this ^^

Kaplods, don't listen to the naysayers. Since I deliberately chose the slow and steady route rather than the old fast and furious dieting approach, I too have been told that I wasn't serious about losing weight and getting healthy, that I was making excuses, that my plan was full of "nonsense and BS" (even by fellow 3FChicks). I'm now 150 pounds lighter, and could probably bench press half of those people.

Nevermind the snobs, do your thing.


I wish you had reported that post. If you can find it again, please do. 3FC is about support!!!

izzystizzy
11-05-2009, 05:14 PM
I personally think that the show wouldnt create a bad environment , they know what they are doing , plus its a bit like by pass surgery, obese people loosing weight very fast so... :)

IgetfitNStrongforme
11-06-2009, 02:17 PM
I think there are some "free' foods like leafy greens.

I too have a BB, but they are looking for a 6000 calorie burn on the BB at th end of the day. these contestants are so monitored that I am sure it is safe AND 1200 calories is not unheard of especially if you limit carbs/fat which eat up calories faster than protien/ veggies and fruit giving one more volume for the calories. Also they are eating very high fiber.

I think the reason this diet is difficult to do at home is because this is the contestants job. they have nothing else todo but focus on the diet/lifestyle.

I agree, if I were on the ranch and that was my job, I would lose far more then at home. Jillian has said on the show veggies are unlimited, so they are filing up on that and those contesants get in shape so fast because that's all they are doing.

BTW I love your beautiful dog Dixie I just won't to hug her. LOL

IgetfitNStrongforme
11-06-2009, 02:25 PM
haha i just heard bob say that and thought WHAT! lol

that makes total sense now!!!

Yeah jillian joked on her radio show that the contestants are tired hungry little suckers, because the women only get 1200 calories and the men get 1500 calories. Once a week they get 2000 calories as their slurge day. It's the 6000 calories to be burned in exercise a day that gets me.

L144S
11-06-2009, 05:14 PM
Yeah jillian joked on her radio show that the contestants are tired hungry little suckers, because the women only get 1200 calories and the men get 1500 calories. Once a week they get 2000 calories as their slurge day. It's the 6000 calories to be burned in exercise a day that gets me.

It is not hard for a 400+lb person to burn that much they burn 3,000 just being, and being active on top of that is not difficult, however the smaller you are the harder it is to burn that amount. the hard part frankly is the low calories but I am sure they are eating a very high fiber, low carb/low fat no salt and getting real amounts of food

Echo
11-06-2009, 05:22 PM
Yeah jillian joked on her radio show that the contestants are tired hungry little suckers, because the women only get 1200 calories and the men get 1500 calories. Once a week they get 2000 calories as their slurge day. It's the 6000 calories to be burned in exercise a day that gets me.

LOL! yah 1200 calories is really hard , i've done it on and off but can only manage it for a couple of days.

you are just hungry all the time!

IgetfitNStrongforme
11-08-2009, 12:07 AM
It is not hard for a 400+lb person to burn that much they burn 3,000 just being, and being active on top of that is not difficult, however the smaller you are the harder it is to burn that amount. the hard part frankly is the low calories but I am sure they are eating a very high fiber, low carb/low fat no salt and getting real amounts of food

LOL! yah 1200 calories is really hard , i've done it on and off but can only manage it for a couple of days. you are just hungry all the time!

I am at about 1200 calories a day right now, so for me it would be 6000 calories from exercise, but everyone is different. I just read that men burn 26% more calories a day then women now that is unfair! LOL

Hey Echo it's Monte (Antonia's) birthday today.

MathGirl87
11-08-2009, 02:09 AM
That's the only way they can get those double digit pound losses per week...but as others have said, they are under medical supervision...probably not the smartest idea if you are going at it alone. They should really emphasize that on the show.

Personally, I think BL sets up unattainable expectations for people who are ignorant to the strategies of weight loss. I've found that most people I chat with BL about have no idea that it's not normal to lose 10 lbs. in one week..

MathGirl87
11-08-2009, 02:13 AM
Oh, and the 1200 calorie thing...

I've gotten it down pretty well without feeling the hunger. The key is to eat foods with lots of protein in them, and eat 5 times per day (at least for me that was the key).

typical day for me consists of:

B: Toast w/ peanut butter
S: handful of nuts
L: Turkey sandwich with grapes or other fruit
S: yogurt
D: chicken breast, green veggie, salad, oven baked potato slices

most of the stuff I buy is low cal though..if it weren't I'm sure I would be well over 1200!

L144S
11-08-2009, 08:23 AM
I am at about 1200 calories a day right now, so for me it would be 6000 calories from exercise, but everyone is different. I just read that men burn 26% more calories a day then women now that is unfair! LOL

Hey Echo it's Monte (Antonia's) birthday today.

You are at 1200 what? 1200 calories as your BMR? or eating 1200 calories? These contestants in the beginning are looking for a burn of 6000 on their bodybuggs so it is 1200 in an 6000 out. But the 6000 out is based on a bmr + exercise.

And yes in the real world for 10 lbs is not normal but the more you weigh the faster you can lose in the beginning because being hevier you burn mor calories just to "be" you.

IgetfitNStrongforme
11-08-2009, 03:01 PM
You are at 1200 what? 1200 calories as your BMR? or eating 1200 calories? These contestants in the beginning are looking for a burn of 6000 on their bodybuggs so it is 1200 in an 6000 out. But the 6000 out is based on a bmr + exercise.

And yes in the real world for 10 lbs is not normal but the more you weigh the faster you can lose in the beginning because being hevier you burn mor calories just to "be" you.

My BMR is 1593.1, so if I want to lose 2 pounds a week I need to burn another 4249 calories from exercise a week. And as I have gotten smaller it has become harded to lose. I had been at 1800 -2000 in calories consumed a day when I first started but I am a lot lot lot smaller now. LOL which is a great thing, just harder getting the last pounds off.

livingoodinthe707
01-02-2010, 08:01 PM
It probably helps that all contestants are under medical supervision. If they have some sort of injury, it can be monitored and treated properly.

TIARA
01-02-2010, 08:06 PM
Not only that, but I would turn into Super B**ch!:devil: It would be seriously scary! I get cranky if I miss a meal and go under 1500, can you see me at 1200 and exercising that much. They would think that some demon from **** had taken over the ranch! hehehehe!:dizzy:

Blessings,
Ro

lol... me too. it would be pms times 100 lol

livingoodinthe707
01-02-2010, 09:02 PM
They probably have things in place to help the contestants adjust to the ranch. Plus, there's always the support network that they form amongst themselves.

livingoodinthe707
01-02-2010, 09:04 PM
I don't think that each contestant has the same calories in / calories out plan. Someone like Rudy will probably need more than someone like Liz.