100 lb. Club - Any particular diet that seems to work best?

Phenomenal Woman
09-18-2009, 05:54 AM
I know this question has probably been asked and answered a million times on this board, but I don't have a clue how to find those posts, so please excuse any repetition! :)

Have any of you found a diet plan that really works and seems sensible for a life style change for you?

I have done MANY weight loss plans over the years, as I'm sure that most of you have as well, but I haven't found any yet that just seems sensible and normal for eating.

I have just started looking at the South Beach Diet, because I've seen a few people around this board talking about it. I haven't heard anything really solid about this diet before, but I'm wondering if it could be a good thing to try...

I kinda promised myself a while back that I wouldn't bother with any more diets, but would just focus on making healthier choices with my food while getting much more exercise. But I'm wondering if perhaps there is a diet out there that might be worth giving a shot. :)

09-18-2009, 06:19 AM
i have been doing weight watchers for the past month, and while the loss is slow, i feel loads better and i feel like this is a method of eating that i can do for life. and for me, thats the vital part.
i know its just a dummed down version of calorie counting, but for me the counting got overwhelming. weight watchers have taken all the work out of it for me and it just slots into my life.

it was my doctor who recommended it for me, because the new programme (its discover here in ireland, which is very slightly different to the momentum in the states) is focusing more on heatlhy eating then moderation like it was before. she told me that she consistantly sees people losing lots of weight with them and maintaining it, because its so easy to manage and understand.

but as i have read here countless times, we are all different. what works for one may not work for another, we are not clones. although going by the sucess stories here, calorie counting seems to be the way to go.

hope this helps! you have lost 10 lbs, so whatever you are doing seems to be working great!!!

09-18-2009, 07:34 AM
If you are looking for a weigh-loss plan that doesn't feel like a diet, then the South Beach Diet plan may be just what you are searching for.
On the South Beach way of life, we avoid white flours, white sugar, processed foods and high fat meats. The focus is on healthy vegetables, fruits, lowfat meats and cheeses, beans, and wholegrain breads and pastas. It doesn't feel like a diet, there is no "magic" formula, it's just healthy, sensible eating, that you can easily follow the rest of your life.

09-18-2009, 07:41 AM
I`ve tried loads of things, and while I had good results with calorie counting, I found it hard to stick to long term. I now no longer eat carbs at night, which has made a dramatic difference. It helps to keep calorie intake low at night (while I`m just as full) and I no longer crave sweets at night (which was my most dangerous time).

I`m now eating 1500-1800kcal a day, and although weight loss is slow, I don`t feel either hungry or deprived.

09-18-2009, 07:41 AM
The one you can really live with.

09-18-2009, 08:08 AM
Any particular diet that seems to work best?

The one that works the best for any individual is the one that individual is WILLING to MAKE work.

For me, it was about stopping to diet and realizing and accepting that I had to change, overhaul and transform my lifestyle. I had to permanently change the way that I was eating. Create a new "normal". Institute and execute new healthy eating patterns and behaviors.

I chose/still choose calorie counting. The healthy eating ALONE never did it for me. Too easy too overspend ones calories and take in more then is needed to make that calorie deficit needed to lose and now having lost the weight, it's what I do to MAINTAIN my weight. Having a calorie budget simply puts the brakes on overeating. For me, it's the most logical. Makes the most sense. It's built in accountability. Built in portion control. It forced me to educate myself on nutrition. Forced me to find out what foods work for me and which ones don't. I combine that calorie counting with the healthy eating as I need to get the very most filling power, satisfaction and volume from my calories.

And yes, I can do it forever and ever. And ever. I don't look at it as a burden but rather as something that is essential to my health, happiness and well being. And once you get the hang of it, it's quite simple. :)

09-18-2009, 08:11 AM
If you are looking for a weigh-loss plan that doesn't feel like a diet, then the South Beach Diet plan may be just what you are searching for.
On the South Beach way of life, we avoid white flours, white sugar, processed foods and high fat meats. The focus is on healthy vegetables, fruits, lowfat meats and cheeses, beans, and wholegrain breads and pastas. It doesn't feel like a diet, there is no "magic" formula, it's just healthy, sensible eating, that you can easily follow the rest of your life.

At first I was going to say that your plan to eliminate unhealthy foods and make healthier choices would probably end up being the best "plan". But then I saw this post and realized - my own efforts to do just that are largely along the lines of South Beach anyway! :) I guess I should get around to reading that book.

If I could give any advice that I've found helpful in the past 7 months that I've been focusing on getting healthy I'd say - make this round the time you finally make friends with your body, and decide to make choices that show that friendship. This will include exercise, sleep, relaxing activities, as well as making the time to make healthy food choices and prepare healthy food for your new "friend". Making this holistic change, rather than focusing on a "diet" with an "end goal", is making me feel like THIS time, as compared to the 50+ other times I've tried to "lose weight", is going to be the last time.

Good luck to you! I'd second the others here who have mentioned South Beach, because that seems to be largely based on avoiding processed foods/flour, which I think is at the root of many of our fat/weight issues.

09-18-2009, 10:22 AM
I’ve never been successful on a ‘diet’ long-term. I’m one of those crazies who feels the second I’m on a diet, I start to rebel. What do you mean I can’t have that??? Pfft! I’ll SHOW YOU!!! ***start shoving food in face repeatedly*** you can see how that worked out for me!!! So many times I read encouraging words like “just do it!” “just commit to it” well, like most of us, I ‘committed’ to a diet every Monday morning, and by Tuesday morning I was ready for a cheeseburger. That wasn’t working. Sure, it took me til I was FORTY and at 325 to realize ‘wow this isn’t working quite the way I wanted it to”

So, my plan was to ‘cut back’. That works for a while, you can lose a bit here and there but calories eventually start creeping up and up and up…. So I made a deal with myself that I could eat whatever I wanted, as long as I stayed within XXX calories. It was so liberating and freeing!!! Chocolate cake??? I ate it! Of course I verrrrrrrry quickly learned that that 700 calorie piece of cake was pretty much ALL I was going to eat that day hahahah. You learn to budget quickly. Your eyes eventually turn to things that are lower calorie but dense & fill you up – hey turns out that’s healthier stuff!! Go figure ;) a 250 calorie chocolate bar for a snack?? Hmmm no thanks, I’ll spend 70 bucks for an apple instead thanks. It’s my CHOICE, no one’s making me do it. I choose how I ‘spend’ my calories. Overall, I’d say I eat 90% healthy foods, 10% so-so foods, and for years it was the complete opposite. I also looked within myself a lot, figured out WHY I was eating the way I was, made peace with myself, and just threw my hands up on trying to fight some things -- snacking at night??? no can do! Tons can, I can't. But I can eat 1 bowl of cereal and tons can't do that, so it's just doing what works for YOU!!!

So my vote is for old-school calorie counting and having some FUN! I SO make a game out of it, like I’m spending $1,500 to $1,800 every day heheheh

09-18-2009, 11:01 AM
We're all different. I can't lose when eating carbs so low-carb is what I do (Atkins at first, now a bit more along the lines of modified {higher calorie} *******).

09-18-2009, 11:02 AM
Wow, it just astericked out the name of the diet I typed! LOL must be a dirty word on this forum. Anway, the word is very similar to "atkins" but starts with a K. Basically low carb and low fat. It wasn't a cuss word, I promise. LOL.

09-18-2009, 11:22 AM
I like Weight Watchers. It works well for me with the simplified counting of points rather than calories (I get too obsessive counting calories and I find it to be a bit of a chore). And I can eat things I really enjoy if I have enough points (like chocolate or pasta). It's a simple program and I find that I'm not restricted by type of food which works best for me in the long run as it seems more of a lifestyle change than a "diet." I can do this for the rest of my life.

But like the others have said, any program that fits best into your lifestyle is the one for you. You have to find one that suits your eating habits and your personality. Not all of us are good calorie counters and not all of us want or need the restrictions of a low carb diet. That's why I prefer Weight Watchers for me. I find it very easy and it's a good fit for my lifestyle.

09-18-2009, 11:26 AM
The one you can really live with.

I agree.

09-18-2009, 11:38 AM
I'm on Weight Watchers as well. I've had great success in the past on WW, and I'm doing well on it so far again. It fits my lifestyle and I find it easy to work in treats. So for me, this is definitely a plan I can live with.

The key for me is journaling/tracking what I eat and staying within my points. If I try to track "in my head", I invariably go over in my points and gain weight. And when I've stopped counting points (essentially stop counting calories) altogether...that's when I've gained weight back.

Lori Bell
09-18-2009, 11:51 AM
To be totally honest, I chose calorie counting as my method of weight loss because it is FREE. No books to purchase, no fees to pay, no special foods to buy...Just Free. My only investment was...well, my health. I requested a nice food scale for Christmas, I use a free date book sent to me from my insurance agent (to log my food), I already had measuring cups and spoons. You can find the calorie count of virtually any food for free on-line.

I think about how much money I wasted over the years on plans and books and pills and powdered drinks and I am ashamed. Nothing worked long term because I always gave up. I decided llong ago I would never spend another dime to lose weight. I rather use that money for new tile floors! (And new skinny clothes!).

09-18-2009, 12:05 PM
I'm with Trazey.

I haven't tried "a diet" in years. I think I started on the yo-yo too young, and for years, any "diet" made me uncontrollably binge.

So, for years I would try to lose weight by "cutting back"... but honestly, my version of cutting back was two donuts not three... sure I'd have a week or two here or there where I ate less and moved more, and occasionally I'd go down ten pounds, and so I had convinced myself that was the only way I could lose-- the problem was that my general trend was still up, up, up.

So, I decided to count calories.

I started by eating a lot of lettuce and chicken breast-- no bread, pasta, rice, etc. Nothing that I could smear butter on. Nothing I could eat by the handful. And not too much fruit.

But, as I've tracked my calories, I've gotten way more adept. I'm finding more and more foods that I like and that leave me satisfied and that stay within my calorie count too.

I write down my calories on fitday every single day. If I have to guesstimate, I guess high. I also set my calories low so that I'd have "wiggle room" in case I was accidentally estimating low on foods whose calories I was unsure of.

So, I really like calorie counting. It seems simple and it gives me total flexibility. But I also don't make myself crazy trying to be exact don't to the very last calorie because I think that would be much harder and make me nuts.

09-18-2009, 12:15 PM
As for the cost of WW meetings, yeah, that kinda sucks. And I've love to spend the money on clothes. For me, having the accountability of weekly weigh ins at meetings helps. Plus, I looked into the Flexible Spending Plan at my work, and found that if I got a doctor's prescription to join Weight Watchers for the TREATMENT (not prevention) of conditions (like High Blood Pressure, High Cholesterol, pre-diabetes, back pain, etc.), I could use my Flex Spending Dollars for the fees. I just needed to send in a receipt and the doctor's prescription.

I can't say that all Flex Spending Plans would allow this....you'd have to check. And it has to be for the TREATMENT not prevention of conditions. But I was thrilled that I was able to use Flex Spending Dollars for WW.

09-19-2009, 05:38 AM
I count calories with a bunch of random guidelines that I have found through trial and error that work for me. The reason I like it is the sense of control. It's the closest I can get to what's actually happening in my body when I eat and exercise and lose weight. All the "diets" in the world are just different ways of achieving calorie control, so I may as well just, you know, control the calories.

Also, it's MY diet. I made it up, I implimented it, I tweaked it for better results, which means that the results: ALL MINE. (insert evil laugh here!)

09-19-2009, 04:37 PM
Wow, it just astericked out the name of the diet I typed! LOL must be a dirty word on this forum. Anway, the word is very similar to "atkins" but starts with a K. Basically low carb and low fat. It wasn't a cuss word, I promise. LOL.

It's censored, because the woman, Kim who created the diet was a scam-artist, and the plan she created is dangerous. She never lost the weight that she claimed she had on her plan, and many of her customers are suing her because of breach of contract (people paid large sums for "lifetime" memberships and were banned from the site if they made any comment she didn't like) and because of illness and death on the plan (at least two deaths were attributed to the plan). The "before and after" photos of herself and others were false, and some were stolen from other weight loss sites and mail order russian-bride sites.

Kim also encouraged members on her site to donate money for the support and care of fictitious "foster children" she claimed she was caring for (she apparently had once had foster kids, but they'd been out of the house for several years at the time she solicited for these donations - there's no evidence that these funds went to anyone but Kim).

As for the plan itself, a diet that is low in carbohydrates AND low in fat is dangerous (this is not just an opinion, it's been known and documented for well over 100 years as the condition "rabbit starvation").

It's called "rabbit starvation," because it was seen in pioneer days in people having to live off little but rabbit (that is times when vegetation and other foods were scarce, usually winter and/or in wagon trails when supplies ran out and people weren't knowledgeable about wild foods that were edible). It's been reported that people died more quickly of "rabbit starvation," than those eating no food at all.

Rabbit isn't toxic, and the condition doesn't only happen when eating rabbit. Rabbit is just an extremely lean meat (wild rabbit, anyway). Without significant fat and/or carbohydrates in the diet, a person will get very ill quickly. The less fat/carbohydrates, the more quickly and severely illness will be. Also, without sufficient water intake, protein poisoning can occur (ammonia accumulates to toxic levels).

Nausea, diarrhea, dizziness, severe headache, fatigue, exhaustion and are some of the symptoms. Kim actually encouraged people that these symptoms were a desireable state (SNAT - semi-nauseous all the time), and was proof that the diet was "working."

09-19-2009, 05:45 PM
kaplods, just wow on such a scam. how can they?:?:

09-19-2009, 05:50 PM
Yeah I have been reading stuff on the net about that all today...shocking and even more shocking that the website is still up and running.

09-19-2009, 05:59 PM
Yes, I've just been reading the site too. I can see why people could be tempted. Wicked. and not in the good sense.

09-19-2009, 10:21 PM
Hello. I'm new here and am trying to figure out what plan works. It seems that the plan that is recommended is the one that works for you. So if this Kim plan works for some even if it is just the principles that are used and the calories are modified, why is it so bad? It sounds like it really worked for DCHound, maybe because she modified it, and isn't that a good thing?

I'm new here so I don't have the hang of this yet! I am trying to find something to follow because I am kind of in the weeds here. You all have lots of great advice and there sure is alot of things to think about.

09-19-2009, 11:14 PM
Just sign my name to Robin's post (again).
She hit the nail on the head!

09-20-2009, 03:40 AM
So if this Kim plan works for some even if it is just the principles that are used and the calories are modified, why is it so bad? It sounds like it really worked for DCHound, maybe because she modified it, and isn't that a good thing?

It depends upon the modifications. Without modification, the plan is bad because it is extremely dangerous (because of the risk of protein poisoning and rabbit starvation. Many of Kim's customers got ill, and at least two died. That's bad.)

From what I've read about rabbit starvation and protein poisoning, increasing the calories does not make the plan safer - only increasing the fat and carbohydrate content will reduce the odds of getting ill (and if you increase the fat and carbohydrate content, you're no longer following the Kim kins plan, you're following Atkins or something else).

Why is it so bad, if it works? Because "it works" (results in weight loss) isn't a fair trade off for the extreme risk of the diet. This isn't a plan that "might" be risky, it's a plan with known physiological consequences, and the risks are organ damage and death. Following the plan as it was created (seeking the SNAT state - which means experiencing the symptoms that are being caused by the damage to internal organs), will result in organ damage and death if the plan is continued. The plan is incompatible with healthy organ function, because a vlcarb diet combined with a vlfat diet, after only a few days begins doing actual damage.

"Luckily" the diet is very difficult for most people to follow as closely as Kim recommends. As a result, most people will ingest more fat and carbohydrates than they're "supposed to," which will reduce the risks. It's ironic, and especially sad that the most motivated and committed individuals are most at risk, especially if they're willing to endure the SNAT state.

When very low carb dieting is combined with very low fat dieting, those who are most successful at following the diet will be the most at risk. Also, because endorphins are often released because of the organ-damage that can be triggered - the semi-starvation also can create a dieter's high. Even though the person may feel only mildly light headed and weak, they also may feel euphoric (which can mask the danger of the diet - it can't be hurting me if it's making me feel this good). For some, the first sign of real trouble may be a fatal cardiac arrest.

In high school and college I experienced the dieter's-high. I would go days, sometimes weeks without eating. The longer I went, the more likely I was to experience the "high." I was finally scared away from that kind of dieting after having a couple bouts with a wildly racing heart. Thankfully, I didn't have someone like Kim telling me that the scary symptoms were a good sign - proof that the diet was working. Because Kim was telling her customers that such experiences were "good," anyone who believed her, would be seriously endangering their health, risking death or permanent injury from organ damage (and heart damage from crash dieting, even if caught before it kills, is non-reversable).

It's important that weight loss not be done at the expense of health and safety. Because rabbit starvation is so well-understood, at the very least a person should research the condition if they're going to attempt to push the safe limits of carbohydrate and fat minimums. A doctor (or better yet, a dietitian experienced with weight loss dieting) will know what those minimum amounts are.