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gish24
09-16-2009, 01:01 PM
I started preconditioning a Sept. 8th (day after Labor Day :)) and have gone thru the yellow menu and I'm now on my blue...I am only staying 3 days on each because I have been training for a race which is this Sunday and with such little caloric and carb intake I can barely run a mile when before the diet I was running 6-7 miles at a time! I am so excited to start the green menu on Friday. Does anyone think this will still be enough nutrition to get me thru 5 miles and altitude? I almost cried this morning when I had to stop and walk after 6 minutes. It's bittersweet because I have lost 8lbs since preconditioning so I am so excited about that but it's also so depressing for all the hard work I have put in over the past couple months training for this specific race. I don't know if anyone can relate or has had similar experiences with working out. Any tips? Any ideas on what I can eat off the green menu on Friday and Saturday to get thru the race on Sunday? Also, I am going to be out of town so we will be eating at restaurants which makes it a little more challenging :(


GWE140
09-16-2009, 01:55 PM
I started preconditioning a Sept. 8th (day after Labor Day :)) and have gone thru the yellow menu and I'm now on my blue...I am only staying 3 days on each because I have been training for a race which is this Sunday and with such little caloric and carb intake I can barely run a mile when before the diet I was running 6-7 miles at a time! I am so excited to start the green menu on Friday. Does anyone think this will still be enough nutrition to get me thru 5 miles and altitude? I almost cried this morning when I had to stop and walk after 6 minutes. It's bittersweet because I have lost 8lbs since preconditioning so I am so excited about that but it's also so depressing for all the hard work I have put in over the past couple months training for this specific race. I don't know if anyone can relate or has had similar experiences with working out. Any tips? Any ideas on what I can eat off the green menu on Friday and Saturday to get thru the race on Sunday? Also, I am going to be out of town so we will be eating at restaurants which makes it a little more challenging :(

Just curious, did you discuss your athletic lifestyle with the MRC counselor when you signed up...as there are different eating plans for individuals with different needs...not all centers do a great job identifying the true needs of the client...my experience has been a trying one but finally I am on the correct plan for the changes I have made over the past 6 months...I was on the Meta Slim (Green), which I believe you are going to be on after you complete the blue menu...I started becoming a runner and now run 12-15 miles a week with the goal of 18-20 in the next month... finally after complaining to my counselor that I hit a wall every time I ran plus dragging my body around all day...I was switched to the Meta Balance menu, and what a difference it has made for me, I was in starvation mode on the green menu because I was burning 500-600 calories a run...the first week on Meta Balance 4 pds just dropped off me even though I was eating differently, and having 3 snacks. My center has explained that clients who are athletic, runners, softball players, and diabetics are given the Meta Balance plan because their bodies have different needs that is difficult on the Meta Slim plan, because it is not as balanced throughout the day. I too am training for a 5K next weekend and have increased my pace...I could not have done this 2 weeks ago on the Meta Slim. My center has now changed my status from regular female to athlete in calculating my muscle, fat and water percentages...what a difference...I went down 6% in fat alone and my muscle when up. We are now going to continue to compare...because when I began the program I certainly was not an athlete and only picked up running 6 months ago. Good luck!

mkroyer
09-16-2009, 02:26 PM
i am currently training (at the peak training) for the Denver MArathon. I run approx 60 to 65 miles a week on top of 3 one hr Personal training sessions. I have been on the meta slim menu the entire time, and had no problems (other than REALLY slow weight loss, prob because of how hard i workout. On the days i have REALLY long runs (like 20 miles) i will eat an extra MRC allowe Carb for diner, and i will eat extra carb at breakfast before the run. I eat everything they will ALLOW (including splenda, chewing gum, etc) and i tend to chose the higher calories foods (like apples vs cantelopes). I am on week 6 of stabilization now though, so almost done. I havent had any real problems. Maybe my body is used to operating under stress?? Maybe i would have reached goal alot sooner?? The only thing that i noticed was first, it took a little while to get used to running on an empty stomach (before breakfast-- i run REALLY early, like 2 30 am to 4 am, so i eat breakfast at work) and on heavy workout days (like when i run 12 miles before work AND have personal training) i will be REALLY hungry all day.... im sure none of this helps, just my experience. Maybe you need to give your body time to adjust ??


gish24
09-16-2009, 05:41 PM
I am trying to do the "quote" thing but can't figure it out for some reason on this message board...but GWE140, when I went in for my consultation I explained to her that I was hesitent to start the program before this race and told her how much I was working out. I burn an average of 500-600 on run days and 600-800 on run/weight days. On Sunday I burned 1300 calories by "trying" to do a five mile run, washing my car, running errands...and I only intook 750 calories all day! Needless to say Monday I was dragging. I went in on Monday and explained my delemia and they gave me my blue menu to start early...no mention of another program or anything that can help me. I'm worried #1 that I am going to go into starvation mode and #2 that this is going to slow my weight loss. I guess after the race I can tone down my training and do just what I need for the maximum results but I just need to do something before Sunday to kick my butt into high energy mode!...Do I cheat and have some pasta on Saturday night?

mkroyer-you are an inspiration! I wish that I loved running that much! I am running in the Zooma 5 mile run on Sunday in Denver and my friend is running the 1/2 marathon. I think I will take your lead on eating the higher calorie foods that I am allowed for the remainder of the week...On your plan do you have to eat within 1 hour of waking up in the morning? That is what the woman and the center told me...I told her that on work days I wake up at 5 and go to the gym...I can't eat and then wait and then go to the gym or I would be there at the same times as you :) Just curious!

GWE140
09-16-2009, 06:12 PM
I am trying to do the "quote" thing but can't figure it out for some reason on this message board...but GWE140, when I went in for my consultation I explained to her that I was hesitent to start the program before this race and told her how much I was working out. I burn an average of 500-600 on run days and 600-800 on run/weight days. On Sunday I burned 1300 calories by "trying" to do a five mile run, washing my car, running errands...and I only intook 750 calories all day! Needless to say Monday I was dragging. I went in on Monday and explained my delemia and they gave me my blue menu to start early...no mention of another program or anything that can help me. I'm worried #1 that I am going to go into starvation mode and #2 that this is going to slow my weight loss. I guess after the race I can tone down my training and do just what I need for the maximum results but I just need to do something before Sunday to kick my butt into high energy mode!...Do I cheat and have some pasta on Saturday night?

mkroyer-you are an inspiration! I wish that I loved running that much! I am running in the Zooma 5 mile run on Sunday in Denver and my friend is running the 1/2 marathon. I think I will take your lead on eating the higher calorie foods that I am allowed for the remainder of the week...On your plan do you have to eat within 1 hour of waking up in the morning? That is what the woman and the center told me...I told her that on work days I wake up at 5 and go to the gym...I can't eat and then wait and then go to the gym or I would be there at the same times as you :) Just curious!

Gish24 - to quote just click the little quote box in the tread you are wanting to quote and it will bring up the box for you to comment in...

as for cheating before the race to carb load, this is a hard one, you are going to have to decide what is best for you for that day, the race or WI. As I am sure you know all of this... the bulk of energy we use during a run comes from the carbohydrates we eat, but our bodies also burns fat and protein, however when we run our muscles need energy fast, and carbohydrates are easily and quickly converted, the harder we run the more our bodies rely on carbs for fuel. What I have read is if you run longer than an hour the runner is better off eating foods with a low glycemic index number (banana, pasta), which provides a prolonged and steady supply of glucose (energy) for the muscles because they do not break down as quickly as the high index carbs ...well I do exactly as mkroyer stated, I only eat high carb fruits, apples etc before I run...on the Meta Balance you are allowed two carbs as snacks between breadkfast/lunch and lunch/dinner...one fruit, one starch and a dairy at night. I run mid morning, an hour after having my apple and HNS. If you look in the back of the cookbook, if you have it, and it lists the carb contents of allowed fruits etc. Maybe you can take with you energy gels during the race if you hit a wall...I know they are not on plan but seriously it is one day and you do not want to injure yourself. I just do not know how mkroyer could manage her activity level and remain strong...no offense just amazement! We are all so different and need to find the correct combination of diet and exercise that works for us.

mkroyer
09-16-2009, 09:41 PM
I DONT eat within one hour of waking up..i cant!! That would mean id eat breakfast at like 3 am or even 4 am, then have to go all the way till NOON for lunch!! Ive just taught myself to run on an empty stomach (that was the hardest thing for me on this diet). The general consensus is you only need to "carbo load" if your going to be running for more than 1.5 hours, give or take...... if you were running the half marathon, you might want to consider a little bit of carbo loading. I dont carbo load at all unless i run at least 15-20, and even then it is only minimal, and always just making use of items we ARE allowed on plan...such as a whole banana instead of half a banana, or two pieces of bread, instead of one, etc. So you are still on the yellow menu, and now the blue?? That is your problem....theres no calories on those menus!!! as soon as you move up to green you will feel better...PROMISE...but it will still take some getting used to becuase it is still so calorie restrictive..... As far as running gels...if you were already firmly entrenched into the green menu, i would say go ahead and use a running goo/gel if you need to. However, the point of the yellow and blue menus is to help rid your body of sugar, and get you going into ketosis. even ONE of those running gels will throw that completely out of whack (they are 100% sugar, usually approx 25 grams sugar per serving) is it possible to wait till AFTER your race, and then start over from the yellow menu, day one?? I think that is your best best if this is something that is seriously concerning you. You would only be put back a week or two.....
BTW, im thinking of doing the zooma half on sunday!!! im supposed to run 12 miles that day, so 13.1 would be nice, and i ALWAYS would prefer to do any of my runs as races...so much more interesting....

leahruthie
09-16-2009, 11:52 PM
oh you runners, so awesome :)

i maintain a pretty rigorous exercise schedule, and since no one at my center has brought up the meta balance plan (and i haven't worked up the nerve to bring it up myself) i've just tried to add in a few extra calories here and there on the days i work out--for example, 5 or 6 melba rounds instead of 4 at breakfast, or maybe an extra half-ounce of protein... i know it's probably not the best way to do things but i'm hoping it turns out OK because i'm really not willing to give up my exercise!! i need it to stay sane, hehe

GWE140
09-17-2009, 05:08 AM
I DONT eat within one hour of waking up..i cant!! That would mean id eat breakfast at like 3 am or even 4 am, then have to go all the way till NOON for lunch!! Ive just taught myself to run on an empty stomach (that was the hardest thing for me on this diet). The general consensus is you only need to "carbo load" if your going to be running for more than 1.5 hours, give or take...... if you were running the half marathon, you might want to consider a little bit of carbo loading. I dont carbo load at all unless i run at least 15-20, and even then it is only minimal, and always just making use of items we ARE allowed on plan...such as a whole banana instead of half a banana, or two pieces of bread, instead of one, etc. So you are still on the yellow menu, and now the blue?? That is your problem....theres no calories on those menus!!! as soon as you move up to green you will feel better...PROMISE...but it will still take some getting used to becuase it is still so calorie restrictive..... As far as running gels...if you were already firmly entrenched into the green menu, i would say go ahead and use a running goo/gel if you need to. However, the point of the yellow and blue menus is to help rid your body of sugar, and get you going into ketosis. even ONE of those running gels will throw that completely out of whack (they are 100% sugar, usually approx 25 grams sugar per serving) is it possible to wait till AFTER your race, and then start over from the yellow menu, day one?? I think that is your best best if this is something that is seriously concerning you. You would only be put back a week or two.....
BTW, im thinking of doing the zooma half on sunday!!! im supposed to run 12 miles that day, so 13.1 would be nice, and i ALWAYS would prefer to do any of my runs as races...so much more interesting....

You truly are amazing, I tried running am before breakfast and just could not do it...I am guessing as my weight get closer to the 140's instead of the 200+,when I stated running, my body will react differently and I will be able to perform as an athlete and not a struggling runner.

Karen1234
09-17-2009, 09:36 AM
If I run in the am, I have an HNS prior to leaving but no breakfast otherwise. I get acid reflux and occasionally will vomit while running if I eat beforehand. Never had it happen in am but sometimes happens after dinner runs if I don't wait long enough between eating and running. With it getting dark earlier, I'm getting less and less time between these and will eventually have to swap dinner time with running time. I am so hungry when I get home that it's hard to cook for everyone else and then leave for my run, plus we like to have dinner together as a family so that adds to the conflict. I would love to run in the am but am not very motivated to get up early enough for that... something to consider though.

As for hitting a wall, I'm not sure what that feels like but I can say that last night I ran 30 min and was done, I just couldn't go another step, totally drained and even a little lightheaded. I called it for the night and headed in a little disappointed. I've changed to Metabalance plan as of today, we'll see what that does for my energy... I've already noticed that at least I'm not hungry! Maybe b/c I weigh 195, my body is struggling w/the extreme calorie restriction and my recent increase in running from 2.25 miles to 3 miles 3 times a week, I don't know. What I know is I felt like I was starving over the last few weeks and struggling with losses as well. I'm hoping this was a positive change :0) I'll keep you posted.

GWE140
09-17-2009, 11:13 AM
If I run in the am, I have an HNS prior to leaving but no breakfast otherwise. I get acid reflux and occasionally will vomit while running if I eat beforehand. Never had it happen in am but sometimes happens after dinner runs if I don't wait long enough between eating and running. With it getting dark earlier, I'm getting less and less time between these and will eventually have to swap dinner time with running time. I am so hungry when I get home that it's hard to cook for everyone else and then leave for my run, plus we like to have dinner together as a family so that adds to the conflict. I would love to run in the am but am not very motivated to get up early enough for that... something to consider though.

As for hitting a wall, I'm not sure what that feels like but I can say that last night I ran 30 min and was done, I just couldn't go another step, totally drained and even a little lightheaded. I called it for the night and headed in a little disappointed. I've changed to Metabalance plan as of today, we'll see what that does for my energy... I've already noticed that at least I'm not hungry! Maybe b/c I weigh 195, my body is struggling w/the extreme calorie restriction and my recent increase in running from 2.25 miles to 3 miles 3 times a week, I don't know. What I know is I felt like I was starving over the last few weeks and struggling with losses as well. I'm hoping this was a positive change :0) I'll keep you posted.

Karen, Let me know how the Meta Balance works for you...I had a little difficulty with not having the HNS with my meals...but so far I have adjusted well and am continuing to drop pounds, have energy and not hungry! All very important! - Genell

gish24
09-17-2009, 11:26 AM
Gish24 - to quote just click the little quote box in the tread you are wanting to quote and it will bring up the box for you to comment in...

as for cheating before the race to carb load, this is a hard one, you are going to have to decide what is best for you for that day, the race or WI. As I am sure you know all of this... the bulk of energy we use during a run comes from the carbohydrates we eat, but our bodies also burns fat and protein, however when we run our muscles need energy fast, and carbohydrates are easily and quickly converted, the harder we run the more our bodies rely on carbs for fuel. What I have read is if you run longer than an hour the runner is better off eating foods with a low glycemic index number (banana, pasta), which provides a prolonged and steady supply of glucose (energy) for the muscles because they do not break down as quickly as the high index carbs ...well I do exactly as mkroyer stated, I only eat high carb fruits, apples etc before I run...on the Meta Balance you are allowed two carbs as snacks between breadkfast/lunch and lunch/dinner...one fruit, one starch and a dairy at night. I run mid morning, an hour after having my apple and HNS. If you look in the back of the cookbook, if you have it, and it lists the carb contents of allowed fruits etc. Maybe you can take with you energy gels during the race if you hit a wall...I know they are not on plan but seriously it is one day and you do not want to injure yourself. I just do not know how mkroyer could manage her activity level and remain strong...no offense just amazement! We are all so different and need to find the correct combination of diet and exercise that works for us.


Thanks, it worked! I guess I will just eat how my green menu says just eating the higher carb foods and cross my fingers!
Was anyone else told by your center that you have to eat within 1 hour of waking up and then every 5 hours after that (lunch 5 hours after breakfast, etc.) and that you HNS used as a snack can buy you another 2 hours? I just haven't seen any posts about anything like this and sometimes it feels hard to stick to. Anyone? Also, is anyone hungry in between meals? I hear so many people say that they are not hungry anymore but I am counting the minutes that I can have my HNS or a meal to stay within my time frames. Help!

GWE140
09-17-2009, 11:35 AM
Thanks, it worked! I guess I will just eat how my green menu says just eating the higher carb foods and cross my fingers!
Was anyone else told by your center that you have to eat within 1 hour of waking up and then every 5 hours after that (lunch 5 hours after breakfast, etc.) and that you HNS used as a snack can buy you another 2 hours? I just haven't seen any posts about anything like this and sometimes it feels hard to stick to. Anyone? Also, is anyone hungry in between meals? I hear so many people say that they are not hungry anymore but I am counting the minutes that I can have my HNS or a meal to stay within my time frames. Help!

No, I was never told when to eat etc. But that I could drink up to 5 HNS a day if I needed to. I forgot to mention in the beginning I started taking the MRC Liquid Minerals and this helped me out a lot with the energy issue...some say it hasn't made much of a difference for them, but for me a difference worth paying the $13 or so for a bottle, and I still continue to take it.

mkroyer
09-17-2009, 11:45 AM
i was STARVING in the beginning! I too counted the minutes till i could eat agina.......it gets better...once (IF) you get into ketosis, that will help, an dyour body will just get used to it too

TeresaG
09-17-2009, 12:25 PM
No, I was never told when to eat etc. But that I could drink up to 5 HNS a day if I needed to. I forgot to mention in the beginning I started taking the MRC Liquid Minerals and this helped me out a lot with the energy issue...some say it hasn't made much of a difference for them, but for me a difference worth paying the $13 or so for a bottle, and I still continue to take it.

I'm really surprised that you weren't told when to eat. That was one of the first things they told us and they keep making sure my timing is right. We were told to eat withing an hour of getting up, or have HNS and then eat breakfast within two hours, and never go more than 5 hours in between. So I have breakfast within an hour, then have lunch 5 hours later then have HNS, then dinner within two hours after. The whole timeing thing is one of the most important things about this program from what I've been told and understand.

Succeed09
09-17-2009, 12:39 PM
Mkroyer - when you started stabilization, did you notice improvement in your endurance or how you felt when running? I've struggled the last couple of weeks with a lack of energy when working out. I was up to running (ok...jogging) 3 miles without stopping (including up some decent hills), and then about 2 weeks ago I couldn't do it anymore. My heart rate was up too high and I just felt exhausted. I have to walk for a couple of minutes, then start jogging again. Today I went to a step class at the gym, and my quad muscles burned out earlier than they were before. I'm also having more crampy muscles the last couple of weeks...even woke up one night with a quad muscle on the verge of a full cramp. My losses have really slowed the last few weeks. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm in starvation mode? I'm only working out 4 days a week, but I go hard for an hour each time. I'm close to starting stabilization and am wondering if the extra foods/calories will help? Did you notice any improvement during Stabilization?

gish24
09-17-2009, 12:56 PM
Mkroyer - when you started stabilization, did you notice improvement in your endurance or how you felt when running? I've struggled the last couple of weeks with a lack of energy when working out. I was up to running (ok...jogging) 3 miles without stopping (including up some decent hills), and then about 2 weeks ago I couldn't do it anymore. My heart rate was up too high and I just felt exhausted. I have to walk for a couple of minutes, then start jogging again. Today I went to a step class at the gym, and my quad muscles burned out earlier than they were before. I'm also having more crampy muscles the last couple of weeks...even woke up one night with a quad muscle on the verge of a full cramp. My losses have really slowed the last few weeks. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm in starvation mode? I'm only working out 4 days a week, but I go hard for an hour each time. I'm close to starting stabilization and am wondering if the extra foods/calories will help? Did you notice any improvement during Stabilization?


Yes! This is exactly what is happening to me! My heart rate is higher than usual and I haven't even ran close to what I usually am at that point. My legs feel like logs that I am trying to throw one in front of the other...and then they start to ache a little. Weird because, like I said before, I was running 6-7 miles at a time and this wasn't happening and now it is at mile 1.5! Could it be starvation mode? Obviously I am not getting enough calories (which they told me not to count).

TeresaG- My center told me that I could have an HNS before I work out and then I have to have breakfast 1 hour after it...We were trying to figure out why that specific HNS had to be 1 hour and all the others were 2. Your center told you that you can eat breakfast 2 hours after your HNS? How long after you wake up are you drinking it?

mkroyer
09-17-2009, 01:42 PM
Ok..both of you with the heart rate and heavy legs thing...sounds to me like classic symptoms of being overtrained...especially the HR thing.... I know what the center says about taking the HNS before running in the am, if you dont eat breakfast right away, but to me, that is such a waste of an alloted HNS!! Protein BEFORE you work out doesnt do any good, as far as aiding muscle recovery and healing..i always drink one immediately AFTER i work out, and as a result, while i have lost tons of body fat, i have actually GAINED a few pounds of lean muscle mass...anyway...
My running HAS been improving since being in stabilization...but dont expect anything immediate,....it takes several weeks, like 4 or 5 weeks, before any SUBSTANTIAL additions are made (at least for the metaslim menu). its like a HALF a banana only 3X a week for one week, and then you get a HALF a bagel for one week, 3X durin the week, etc....

Karen1234
09-17-2009, 01:52 PM
Ok..both of you with the heart rate and heavy legs thing...sounds to me like classic symptoms of being overtrained...especially the HR thing.... I know what the center says about taking the HNS before running in the am, if you dont eat breakfast right away, but to me, that is such a waste of an alloted HNS!! Protein BEFORE you work out doesnt do any good, as far as aiding muscle recovery and healing..i always drink one immediately AFTER i work out, and as a result, while i have lost tons of body fat, i have actually GAINED a few pounds of lean muscle mass...anyway...
My running HAS been improving since being in stabilization...but dont expect anything immediate,....it takes several weeks, like 4 or 5 weeks, before any SUBSTANTIAL additions are made (at least for the metaslim menu). its like a HALF a banana only 3X a week for one week, and then you get a HALF a bagel for one week, 3X durin the week, etc....


Mkroyer & GWE,
what do you think qualifies one to be "athletic"? Another words, at what point would it be appropriate to ask that they do my Tanita with me as an athlete? I currently run about 10 miles a week, not impressive but this coming from being a couch potato 4-5 mo. ago to this is a pretty big deal to me. I am not doing much other exercise as far as toning/lifting. I need to though and plan to after a few weeks on this new plan with the extra calories to see how I do before adding another new thing. I'm trying to figure out if I needed the extra calories or not at this point so I'm keeping everything else the same while I change only the food plan. Truthfully, my center seems to not really know what to do for me, they usually just say "hmmm" that's good but no real tips or hints, specific directions on when to take protein supplements and despite knowing I'm running this much have never suggested changing my label to Athletic. Just looking for some opinions here or facts if you got them :0) Thanks, Karen

leahruthie
09-17-2009, 01:57 PM
i'm wondering if it would be possible for one of you chicas on the meta balance plan to scan a copy of it and email it to me? if that's a possibility, i would REALLY appreciate it because i really think i'd like to give it a try...

although another question, i wonder if it's possible to do metaslim on days you don't work out and metabalance on days you do, just to make sure you have enough cals on workout days? would that throw things out of whack, do you think?

this is all very fascinating to me and i'm really very interested in finding something to do that will give me the energy i need to keep up with my workout schedule and still post big losses.

Karen1234
09-17-2009, 02:05 PM
i'm wondering if it would be possible for one of you chicas on the meta balance plan to scan a copy of it and email it to me? if that's a possibility, i would REALLY appreciate it because i really think i'd like to give it a try...

although another question, i wonder if it's possible to do metaslim on days you don't work out and metabalance on days you do, just to make sure you have enough cals on workout days? would that throw things out of whack, do you think?

this is all very fascinating to me and i'm really very interested in finding something to do that will give me the energy i need to keep up with my workout schedule and still post big losses.

OK, interesting thought I'll have to ask the counselor about... as far as the plan... GWE posted the details of the plan on one of the forums about 1-2 weeks ago, not sure which, maybe C25k? Warning though, Counselor said it could slow your weight loss to 1-2 lbs a week if it turns out you didn't need the extra calories after all. We're trying a 4 day trial with me to see what happens... I'll keep you informed and I'll have to ask that q about day on/off based on exercise routine. I'm also going to try my run again tonight, so far I feel good today and think I should be able to make the full run, pushing for 3.5 miles this time.

mkroyer
09-17-2009, 02:06 PM
i dont think you get any extra CARBS or food on metabalance..they just break up the meals..instead of 3 squares, you get 3 smaller meals, and two snacks...but the same exact foods and quantities...Correct?

Karen1234
09-17-2009, 02:08 PM
i dont think you get any extra CARBS or food on metabalance..they just break up the meals..instead of 3 squares, you get 3 smaller meals, and two snacks...but the same exact foods and quantities...Correct?


Actually you get 2 dairy servings added to plan, 1 at breakfast one at dinner (string cheese, yogurt, 1 c. skim milk, 1 c. soy milk) and HNS are snacks rather than meals and with these between meal snacks you get a fruit at mid am and 1 starch at mid afternoon.

mkroyer
09-17-2009, 02:10 PM
Karen--- MRC defines ATHLETE as any individual who works out vigorously at LEAST 10 HOURS a week or more, and has been doing it consistently for a year (or 2, or more)....hope that helps! BTW if they DO measure you as an aathlete on the tanita, dont be suprised when your BF % drops by at least 3 %!! The athlete algorithm used vs the normal person algorithm used are different. The "normal" person calculation pads woman with an additional 3% that it considers to be "essential fat" . It will also spit out things like Lean Body Mass.....its all just done using different formulas. When measured as an athlete, it just spits out your total punds of fat, and your total FFM, or Fat Free Mass....then gives you a percentage of BF......

leahruthie
09-17-2009, 02:55 PM
OK, interesting thought I'll have to ask the counselor about... as far as the plan... GWE posted the details of the plan on one of the forums about 1-2 weeks ago, not sure which, maybe C25k? Warning though, Counselor said it could slow your weight loss to 1-2 lbs a week if it turns out you didn't need the extra calories after all. We're trying a 4 day trial with me to see what happens... I'll keep you informed and I'll have to ask that q about day on/off based on exercise routine. I'm also going to try my run again tonight, so far I feel good today and think I should be able to make the full run, pushing for 3.5 miles this time.

FOUND IT! thanks for reminding me :dizzy:

definitely keep me posted as to what they say about modifying on a day-by-day basis, because really on days i don't exercise, i don't think i would need any of those extra calories, but days that i do exercise, it would be very cool to add that stuff in!! thanks for all the help ;)

E4FEwife
09-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Okay, so I spoke to my center last week re: exercise, running, etc. and here is what they told me. If I want to start running they will have to switch me to another menu that includes more food & snacks between meals. They said this is a necessity. They said you will experience a long plateau or slow weight loss if you are exercising too much and not getting enough food. I agreed to cut back for now and see how it goes. Since you are trainning make sure they are giving you the right menu. You don't have to tell them where you heard about the Meta-Balance menu, or tell them you were talking to a friend that is on MRC and that they are on the athletic menu. They work for you so don't be afraid to ask for what you need.

GWE140
09-17-2009, 04:09 PM
I wanted to add and make a clarification that on the Meta Balance menu the Breakfast/Lunch/Dinner meals quantities are less than the green menu ie...1 oz cheese, 1 egg,- 3oz meat- 6oz salad -3oz cooked veggies...

GWE140
09-17-2009, 04:13 PM
I wasn't given a number of hours of exercise by my counselor to determine what qualifies as an athlete...After nearly an hour of consulting and checking with MRC documents it was determined that I should be considered an athlete for tanita...and as I mentioned on a different thread it showed a 6% fat loss immediately...but we will continue to check both...for fun.

Karen1234
09-17-2009, 09:09 PM
I wanted to add and make a clarification that on the Meta Balance menu the Breakfast/Lunch/Dinner meals quantities are less than the green menu ie...1 oz cheese, 1 egg,- 3oz meat- 6oz salad -3oz cooked veggies...

Hmmm... not on my plan - Meta Balance, Level 1 - Does yours give a level?

The menu I have is as follows:

B: 1 protein, starch, dairy
Mid morning snack: HNS with 4 oz juice or 1 fruit serving OR one MRB
L: 1 protein, 1 veg, 1 fruit
Mid afternoon snack: HNS and 1 starch or MRB
Dinner: 1 protein, 1 1/2 vegetable servings (4 oz cooked, 4 oz raw), 1 starch
Evening Snack: HNS mixed with 1 dairy serving or one MRB

Proteins are the same as green menu - 2 oz hard cheese, 1 egg w/ 1 oz hard cheese, 2 med eggs, 2 egg whites & 1 egg yolk, 3 egg whites, 4 oz LF cottage cheese

Interesting...

And thanks for the answers on athlete vs. not athlete... It will be interesting to find out what the center says... It's kin of scary how inconsistent the info is between centers but the truth is alot of is interpretation by consultant and the client I'm sure.

Karen1234
09-17-2009, 09:12 PM
Okay, so I spoke to my center last week re: exercise, running, etc. and here is what they told me. If I want to start running they will have to switch me to another menu that includes more food & snacks between meals. They said this is a necessity. They said you will experience a long plateau or slow weight loss if you are exercising too much and not getting enough food. I agreed to cut back for now and see how it goes. Since you are trainning make sure they are giving you the right menu. You don't have to tell them where you heard about the Meta-Balance menu, or tell them you were talking to a friend that is on MRC and that they are on the athletic menu. They work for you so don't be afraid to ask for what you need.

At this point I feel a bit confused and have no idea what menu I should really be on or if I'm currently on the right one but I'm going to go with the flow and try to get with someone at my center that knows something about MRC with running... At least I'm not hungry today!

GWE140
09-17-2009, 09:47 PM
Hmmm... not on my plan - Meta Balance, Level 1 - Does yours give a level?

The menu I have is as follows:

B: 1 protein, starch, dairy
Mid morning snack: HNS with 4 oz juice or 1 fruit serving OR one MRB
L: 1 protein, 1 veg, 1 fruit
Mid afternoon snack: HNS and 1 starch or MRB
Dinner: 1 protein, 1 1/2 vegetable servings (4 oz cooked, 4 oz raw), 1 starch
Evening Snack: HNS mixed with 1 dairy serving or one MRB

Proteins are the same as green menu - 2 oz hard cheese, 1 egg w/ 1 oz hard cheese, 2 med eggs, 2 egg whites & 1 egg yolk, 3 egg whites, 4 oz LF cottage cheese

Interesting...

And thanks for the answers on athlete vs. not athlete... It will be interesting to find out what the center says... It's kin of scary how inconsistent the info is between centers but the truth is alot of is interpretation by consultant and the client I'm sure.

HUMMMMM...Karen you brought up a very interesting question...not surprisingly there seems to be more than ONE Meta Balance menu…I had no idea…of course why should we…the title on my sheet says Meta-Balance and under this heading it says THREE MEAL PLAN. My plan is set up exactly like yours for all the meals and snacks with the exception that my portions are smaller. For breakfast I can have only (protein group 1) 1oz cheese, 1m egg, 2 egg whites, 2oz cottage cheese, starch and dairy the same as yours. Lunch my protein can only be 3oz from group 3 or group 1 up to 3x week, vegetable is 3oz cooked or 6oz raw, fruit same as yours (fruit or juice). Dinner 3oz protein group 3 or 3oz group 2 twice per week, starch same. It seems like you are allowed more protein at each of your meals and vegetables, all else the same. Did you complete your 3.5 mile run today? I do agree eat center is different in how the approach the program…I have been pretty consistent in meeting with the same counselor for a month now and this has helped with my meetings as I do not have to explain what’s going on or to update the other counselor while they try to read all the notes in my folder…which is proudly thick! It seems that every Friday when I weigh in, it is my longest meeting and we normally go over everything, do the survey, answer all kinds of questions and the counselor writes my responses down, etc…very detailed…I feel guilty sometimes when clients are in the waiting room, waiting for me to vacate! Genell

Karen1234
09-17-2009, 09:59 PM
HUMMMMM...Karen you brought up a very interesting question...not surprisingly there seems to be more than ONE Meta Balance menu…I had no idea…of course why should we…the title on my sheet says Meta-Balance and under this heading it says THREE MEAL PLAN. My plan is set up exactly like yours for all the meals and snacks with the exception that my portions are smaller. For breakfast I can have only (protein group 1) 1oz cheese, 1m egg, 2 egg whites, 2oz cottage cheese, starch and dairy the same as yours. Lunch my protein can only be 3oz from group 3 or group 1 up to 3x week, vegetable is 3oz cooked or 6oz raw, fruit same as yours (fruit or juice). Dinner 3oz protein group 3 or 3oz group 2 twice per week, starch same. It seems like you are allowed more protein at each of your meals and vegetables, all else the same. Did you complete your 3.5 mile run today? I do agree eat center is different in how the approach the program…I have been pretty consistent in meeting with the same counselor for a month now and this has helped with my meetings as I do not have to explain what’s going on or to update the other counselor while they try to read all the notes in my folder…which is proudly thick! It seems that every Friday when I weigh in, it is my longest meeting and we normally go over everything, do the survey, answer all kinds of questions and the counselor writes my responses down, etc…very detailed…I feel guilty sometimes when clients are in the waiting room, waiting for me to vacate! Genell

I'm kinda jealous Genell... I never have that kind of consistency... They have different people on Sat's (I'm sure they rotate it b/c not everyone wants to work every weekend) and that is my day to go and stay for a while. It's almost impossible for me to go on a weekday and not be in a hurry. I was going to go for my run tonight but had a last minute change of plans... my hubby was running late from my daughter's riding lesson (she rides horses - hunter jumper) and we had planned for him to go to the Home School Association (PTA for Catholic School LOL) meeting at 7:00 while I stayed home with our daughter and she and I could go for a run after dinner. Instead, he got home at 7 with her, I got home at 6:15 from work, had pizza for them and was in the middle of cooking my chicken when he called to say I would have to go to the meeting in his place, I had to abandon my dinner preprations and leave by 6:30 for this meeting at 7:00 and didn't get home until after 8:30, starved so instead I ate and have retired for the evening. Hopefully tomorrow! I do feel good though, not hungry at all for once... a little nervous that I'm eating so much... I forgot to have my lunch fruit today, oops, got busy and just forgot to eat it... Interesting what a mid morning snack will do for you!

GWE140
09-18-2009, 09:57 AM
I'm kinda jealous Genell... I never have that kind of consistency... They have different people on Sat's (I'm sure they rotate it b/c not everyone wants to work every weekend) and that is my day to go and stay for a while. It's almost impossible for me to go on a weekday and not be in a hurry. I was going to go for my run tonight but had a last minute change of plans... my hubby was running late from my daughter's riding lesson (she rides horses - hunter jumper) and we had planned for him to go to the Home School Association (PTA for Catholic School LOL) meeting at 7:00 while I stayed home with our daughter and she and I could go for a run after dinner. Instead, he got home at 7 with her, I got home at 6:15 from work, had pizza for them and was in the middle of cooking my chicken when he called to say I would have to go to the meeting in his place, I had to abandon my dinner preprations and leave by 6:30 for this meeting at 7:00 and didn't get home until after 8:30, starved so instead I ate and have retired for the evening. Hopefully tomorrow! I do feel good though, not hungry at all for once... a little nervous that I'm eating so much... I forgot to have my lunch fruit today, oops, got busy and just forgot to eat it... Interesting what a mid morning snack will do for you!

The consistency factor is one of the reasons I switched from going in on Saturday to Friday...since school started...all the teachers, parents etc. seem to head to the center Saturday morning before their first meal...I walked in one Saturday and was 9th on the list waiting...so I just l left and WI on Monday instead and never went back for a WI on Saturday, although I do attend a class on some Saturday's. Another reason I switched was because it got so busy I felt like the counselors were rushing to get us out as the keep the waiting line at a minimum. I completely understand how life gets in the way of your running schedule...It happens to me far too often, with 4 kids (well young adults (2) and 2 teenagers) my life get very busy...this is one of the reasons I have to run mid morning...if I don't take this opportunity then I just can not get it done...as I quit my job in June before I headed on my trip I no longer have to run after work and dinner which I know is very difficult and takes so much dedication...I hope you do get your chance today to run...I am doing another 4 miles...I have only 3 more run days scheduled before my 5K next Saturday. I will run last on Wednesday and have a rest Thurs and Fri. Have a great weekend!

Suz175
09-18-2009, 10:47 AM
Karen & GWE, Thought I might could shed a little light onto the Medi Balance Menus for you. I have been on them since day one since I am diabetic. Karen, you are on the menu they put me on when I started. Once I dropped under 200 pounds, they switched me to the menu that GWE is on. Karen, since you are clearly under 200 pounds :D, if you aren't losing weight after your 4 day trial then you might want to ask for the second Medi Balance menu. Hope this helps.

GWE140
09-18-2009, 08:03 PM
Karen & GWE, Thought I might could shed a little light onto the Medi Balance Menus for you. I have been on them since day one since I am diabetic. Karen, you are on the menu they put me on when I started. Once I dropped under 200 pounds, they switched me to the menu that GWE is on. Karen, since you are clearly under 200 pounds :D, if you aren't losing weight after your 4 day trial then you might want to ask for the second Medi Balance menu. Hope this helps.

THANK YOU...THANK YOU...THANK YOU...All makes since now!

gish24
09-22-2009, 05:49 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know that I went to the center last Thursday and they decided to put me on Meta Balance for the weekend to give me energy for the race. Well, it worked! I ran the race with way more energy than I had before but I didn't lose any weight from Thursday to Monday. But I guess it all worked out. I lost 8lbs before the race and was able to run it too! I am now back on the green menu...can't wait to start losing again! Thanks for all of the advice!!!!!

Karen1234
09-22-2009, 08:34 PM
Hey GWE, Suz & Gang,
I think I'm finally on the right track!!!!! I went to the center and finally got to see my fave consultant who is also a runner and she fixed everything for me, knew exactly what to do for me. I am soooooooo happy and hopeful now. So here's the deal. I was put on Metabalance level 1 last week, the rep was basically guessing what plan to put me on, she had no idea what to do with me and gave me 3 different plans and was pretty much letting me make the choice of what I wanted. You could tell she had no idea what to do with me b/c I was hungry and running. So I asked for metabalance, she brought me the level 1 and so I just gave up and took that menu. She wanted me to follow it for 4 days then come in for WI Tues. I followed it Thurs and Fri... wasn't hungry a bit but nervous about how much food it was... Sat I cut back to the green menu with 2 dairy a day and have maintained this ever since. On Mon am I had dropped 1.5 lbs, as of this am another .5 to 193. I went to WI tonight was 193.5. She looked at the menu and my food sheet and I told her how nervous I was about eating all the food on the other plan, that i wasn't THAT hungry and how I only did it for 2 days and then switched to green menu with the dairy added. She was great. Explained how b/c of the amt I'm exercising, I do need the extra calories but not that much and was concerned it could really slow my weight loss if I eat all those extra carbs as well as the reg. plan. She switched me to the metabalance 3 meal plan... YEAH!!!! Said this was a meal plan that is idea for diabetics and for runners/heavy exercisers... She also made some specific recommendations... specifically that I never use the fruit juice, only the use the fruit, also said to avoid the milk, go for the string cheese and if need variety use the 60 cal yogurt. Recommended I only use the MRB for a snack on my running days specifically as my snack in the evening after my run to replenish. She also said to just follow the green menu on the days I'm not running. WOW... I am so happy!!! She was asking if I was going to run the 1/2 marathon at Tybee Island in February which I had not considered. She recommended I consider it and start training by running my normal 3.5 miles during the week and then doing a long run on the weekend which would be 7 miles. She said if I do this every week religously, the rule is you could double your long mile on any given day for a race without issue and that would make the 1/2 marathon at 14 miles! Isn't that wild... I had no idea that was even a possibility... I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm actually considering it!! I think I want to start trying the long run on the weekends... not sure if I can do 7 miles or not but it sure is intriguing :0) Anyways, I am so happy and so excited to finally have a plan that is consistent with my center and not on my own, YEAH!!!

GWE, it's getting closer, so exciting!!

abmrc
09-24-2009, 04:41 PM
You may want to talk to a counselor to help you. They have many options for different types of lifestyles.