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juliastl27
08-14-2009, 06:34 PM
ok, so i posted yesterday that im getting really frustrated by my weight loss stalls. heres a recent rundown

last week - 0 lost
week before - 2.4 lost
week before - 0 lost
week before - 1.4 lost

this cycle has been going on for about 2 months. im totaling about 4lbs/month. i am a FASTIDIOUS calorie counter and i havent been changing my routine, yet im all over the map. i never know what to expect. i posted my rant yesterday and several girls said that 1000 calories/day is too low and i need to bump up to 1200 because of "starvation mode". i looked further into this today and most of the websites i found said that its a myth. they said that to go into "starvation" or "famine" mode, you need to be eating about 1/2 your bmr, which for me would be like 700 cal/day, and that even then, you would still lose weight every week, just at a slower pace. i was feeling better yesterday like i might FINALLY have an answer, but now the internet has confused me and im not sure to up my calories or lower them again. any thoughts??


Onederchic
08-14-2009, 06:46 PM
My thoughts are same as yesterday..

Myself and others here as well, fell under the assumption that eating less means more weight loss. Up your calories and wait it out 2 weeks and see how it goes.

iDream
08-14-2009, 06:49 PM
Ditto that. I'm not going to tell you should eat X amount of calories per day, but 1000 calories, imo, is pretty low. I also think that you should try upping your calories and seeing what happens. Hang in there!


bargoo
08-14-2009, 06:53 PM
Eating less than 1200 calories a day will be robbing your body of needed nutrients.

murphmitch
08-14-2009, 07:01 PM
ok, so i posted yesterday that im getting really frustrated by my weight loss stalls. heres a recent rundown

last week - 0 lost
week before - 2.4 lost
week before - 0 lost
week before - 1.4 lost


Dear, that's not a "stall" to me. 4# a month is a great steady loss. Some feel the slower you lose it, the better it stays off. Some people plateau for weeks or even months. Be patient with your body.

Eumie
08-14-2009, 07:17 PM
There is information out there in cyberspace to support whatever you want. If you want to find something that says drastically cutting your calories will help you lose weight, then you will. You can find sources that say it's safe. But you have to evaluate those sources for their reliability. And you have to take some things into consideration.

1) While you will lose weight (and probably more rapidly) on a lower than 1200 calorie diet, when you plateau what are you going to do? Eat 1000 calories a day and exercise harder than you already are? Keep your exercise but go down to 800 calories a day? Where are you going to find the energy to exercise? Let alone get through your day?

2) 1200 calories a day is the lowest you should go if you want to get the right amount of nutrients per day. The exceptions for these are medically supervised meal replacement programs in which extra nutrients are provided in the meal replacements.

3) Once you get the weight off and go to maintenance, it will most likely be harder for you to keep it off. The Mayo Clinic had an article on how people who are on super low calorie diets are far more likely to regain all of their weight within six months of maintenance.

4) You are exercising a regime of control over your body that cannot be maintained life long. You are teaching your body and mind to deal with deprivation rather than teaching them to adapt to all of your needs--weight loss, nutrient, emotional, et. al.


It seems to be counterintuitive, I know, but these ladies know what they're talking about. They're so smart! We've all lost, plateaued, gained...we've learned what works and what doesn't. The biggest thing that we all learn from becoming expert dieters is that less is not always more in the caloric intake world. Because we have all tried it.

juliastl27
08-14-2009, 07:24 PM
1) While you will lose weight (and probably more rapidly) on a lower than 1200 calorie diet, when you plateau what are you going to do? Eat 1000 calories a day and exercise harder than you already are? Keep your exercise but go down to 800 calories a day? Where are you going to find the energy to exercise? Let alone get through your day?


yes, this is the problem, lol. this is the question i keep putting off every time i lower my calories and keep telling myself "ill deal with that later". i guess sometimes in the race to see the scale go down, we lose sight. alright, up to 1200 it is, im committed. ill let you girls know how it goes!

juliastl27
08-14-2009, 07:26 PM
Dear, that's not a "stall" to me. 4# a month is a great steady loss. Some feel the slower you lose it, the better it stays off. Some people plateau for weeks or even months. Be patient with your body.

i know, im being a bit whiny. i guess that since i never struggled with weight until my mid twenties, the idea of dieting for so many months and STILL being fat is just making me completely impatient. i was really hoping to be at 175 by the end of summer (sept 1), and i see that im going to fall short of that goal. its making me a bit desperate.

Heather
08-14-2009, 07:31 PM
Hey, don't look at what DIDN'T happen, look at what did!! You've lost 40 pounds! I'd hate for you to think of yourself as a failure because you didn't get to a certain weight by a certain date!!!

CONGRATS!!!!

Marms
08-14-2009, 07:39 PM
Your numbers look just like mine. I lose nothing during TOM or ovulation weeks and then lose about 2 lbs the other two weeks. I started on 9/22/08 and am 9 lbs from goal, so that is about a pound a week. Nothing wrong with that.


i guess that since i never struggled with weight until my mid twenties, the idea of dieting for so many months and STILL being fat is just making me completely impatient.


I think this sentence is where your downfall is. It's not a diet. You will have to pretty much eat this way the rest of your life (ok, so you do get a few more calories when you're in maintenance) or you will gain again.


Bottom line is I think that you are doing great! You probably didn't gain a pound a week when you were gaining, so the weight is coming off faster than you put it on. Just hang in there.

juliastl27
08-14-2009, 08:04 PM
Your numbers look just like mine. I lose nothing during TOM or ovulation weeks and then lose about 2 lbs the other two weeks. I started on 9/22/08 and am 9 lbs from goal, so that is about a pound a week. Nothing wrong with that.





I think this sentence is where your downfall is. It's not a diet. You will have to pretty much eat this way the rest of your life (ok, so you do get a few more calories when you're in maintenance) or you will gain again.


Bottom line is I think that you are doing great! You probably didn't gain a pound a week when you were gaining, so the weight is coming off faster than you put it on. Just hang in there.

yes, i shouldnt have said that. i realize this is a life long change, i just use the term "diet" when im trying to lose weight. did you average 4 lb/month even when your weight was higher?

juliastl27
08-14-2009, 08:07 PM
Hey, don't look at what DIDN'T happen, look at what did!! You've lost 40 pounds! I'd hate for you to think of yourself as a failure because you didn't get to a certain weight by a certain date!!!

CONGRATS!!!!


thank you! i know, its rough. when we dont meet goals (even if its only by 4 or 5 pounds) its much easier to look at the failure of meeting the goal than the success of losing 40, or 20, or whatever we've already lost.

kiramira
08-14-2009, 08:10 PM
Heck, I average 5 lbs a month. And in the month of June, I lost exactly 1 lb! I am on WW and keep within my points. I exercise 90 minutes a session x 4 times a week. And I lose on average 5 lbs a month.

For me, the months add up, so if you think of it, by the New Year, I'll be down 60lbs or thereabouts for this year! I'm just a weight loss turtle, and I see this as just my personal "cross to bear" so to speak. I am quite happy with my plan and don't plan to tweak it any time soon!

Maybe just see how you do for the next few weeks. This just might be your wegiht loss pattern. Mine is on a 4 week cycle -- LOSS, ok loss, no loss, small gain, repeat! Sucks, but it is what it is...

:hug:

Kira

Windchime
08-14-2009, 08:38 PM
I'm a weight loss turtle, too, but we have to just keep plugging away! I lose an average of 1.5 pounds a week. This doesn't mean I show a loss every week, though. For the past 4 weeks I did this:

+.3
-3.3
-1.4
+.6

My graph looks like an EKG chart....lots of jagged ups and downs, but the general trend is down and I have to be good with that. Yeah, the last 2 weeks I've lost less than 1 pound but it's the long term that we have to look at.

1.5 pounds isn't very much. It's not even enough to see on a big tall girl like me. But if you do that over and over for 34 weeks, well, now you're looking at a 41 pound loss. Now THAT I can see! A year is 52 weeks; if I keep up at this rate, I can expect a 78 pound loss. I'm shooting for 60-65, so I should be able to make it. But if I don't, what will I do? I'll keep plugging away, that's what I'll do. Because the alternative is that mommy has to go buy more fat pants, and mommy is tired of wearing fat pants.

Marms
08-14-2009, 09:02 PM
yes, i shouldnt have said that. i realize this is a life long change, i just use the term "diet" when im trying to lose weight. did you average 4 lb/month even when your weight was higher?

I lost 7 lbs the first month but everyone loses a lot the first month since you lose water weight, eat more fiber so "things" move along faster and just generally eat less so you have less food in your digestive track at one time. I have lost about 4 lbs a month ever since, even at the higher weight and I haven't changed my calorie goal. I still aim for 1300 -1400 per day. I have also never plateaued.

juliastl27
08-14-2009, 09:09 PM
I lost 7 lbs the first month but everyone loses a lot the first month since you lose water weight, eat more fiber so "things" move along faster and just generally eat less so you have less food in your digestive track at one time. I have lost about 4 lbs a month ever since, even at the higher weight and I haven't changed my calorie goal. I still aim for 1300 -1400 per day. I have also never plateaued.

well thats good to know. i was averaging 6-8 lbs/month til this whole issue started. maybe my expectations are too high. i actually asked earlier on a different board about fiber supplements. even when i eat lots of grains and veggies, my digestive tract seems to move VERY slowly and im wondering if maybe this is part of the problem. my eating disorder riddled sister keeps telling me to take laxatives as part of my weight loss routine, but that just doesnt seem like a good idea.

JulieJ08
08-14-2009, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by juliastl27
i guess that since i never struggled with weight until my mid twenties, the idea of dieting for so many months and STILL being fat is just making me completely impatient.

I think this sentence is where your downfall is. It's not a diet. You will have to pretty much eat this way the rest of your life (ok, so you do get a few more calories when you're in maintenance) or you will gain again.

I was going to say the same thing.

I think this is a great opportunity to reflect on how you expect to eat and live after you reach goal. And come to terms with what will or will not work forever. That would sound scary to me if I were only interested in pure weight loss. It's being interested in my daily and long-term health that makes it all so seem so very doable and even enjoyable to me. It makes me focus and what I'm doing to improve my health instead of on giving up things.

Marms
08-14-2009, 09:16 PM
No, don't take laxatives. All that does is make you lose water weight not fat. Plus, it screws with your electrolytes. For extra fiber, what about Fiber One cereal for breakfast or wraps made with "Flat Out" flatbread.

There's also hemp protein powder. Doesn't taste all that great but it's like drano for your bowels, lol.

juliastl27
08-14-2009, 09:35 PM
maybe ill give the cereal a shot. i know, she keeps pushing me to try them saying, "it will make the scale go down so you're not so frustrated!". she takes them every day when shes trying to lose weight and loses like 3-4 lb/week. the problem is, she gains it all back eventually.

DCHound
08-14-2009, 09:44 PM
Look, I lost 99 lbs in 6 months then 21 lbs in the next 6 months. Um, that's a big difference. BUT! I have lost size on a pretty regular basis, 32 down to a 16/18. Don't just go by scale, go by measurements and clothing size too. We all lose differently.

juliastl27
08-15-2009, 12:54 AM
Look, I lost 99 lbs in 6 months then 21 lbs in the next 6 months. Um, that's a big difference. BUT! I have lost size on a pretty regular basis, 32 down to a 16/18. Don't just go by scale, go by measurements and clothing size too. We all lose differently.


you know this really does make me feel better. its nice to hear that someone who is at a higher weight still (like myself) has also seen a slowdown. i was really expecting this not to happen until i got much closer to my goal weight. its good to know that even ladies who still have a decent amount left to go like me are experiencing a drop in loss. thanks!!