General Diet Plans and Questions - Fat Flush Plan

I feel like I need a jumpstart on the next goal-

I've read about this Fat Flush plan and heard good things. I like the 2 week commitment as I can usually stay motivated that long...

So has anyone here tried it, what were your experiences with it? I found a sample menu on Ivillage and thought it sounded pretty healthy, even with the fad diet name, which I usually steer clear of.

Also might be looking for an online diet buddy...

:)

I have never heard of this program. What are some of the specifics?

Is this the "two-week fat flush" in the book Beyond Pritikin?

If so, I have done this before. You will need to obtain some specific supplements as the plan I'm thing of eliminates all sources of trans fats and is rich in Omega-fats of every kind.

I did great for two weeks and thought I'd even go longer but couldn't stick with it - it was such a total change.

CAFE

It's a new updated version of the original. She now has a new book out on the FAT FLUSH PLAN. I bought it and the read is easy and very understandable. I'm planning of giving it a whirl after my vacation next week. ANYTHING is possible for two weeks..and she gives you menus and such plus two more phases on this
totally HEALTHY WOE :cool:

BOB

Sundrop, I have read some emails from a woman that has had great success with it. She also went on a European trip for a couple of weeks and ate terribly, but did her LifeLong cocktail everyday and didn't gain any weight. I was impressed! She is a long term dieter and this plan helps her. I think she does the cocktail every day even when she isn't following the 2 week plan. I bought the book but haven't read it yet.

Hello all......
I followed this plan last year and lost 70 pounds. It was very easy to follow except I did not drink the cranberry juice coctail. HATE cranberry juice! The first 2 weeks I lost 11 pounds.
Good luck to you all!

Hi, im luckymom1. Im not familir with the fat flsh. i am takin Xenical, expensive. it is to flsh fat from yur food, too. Also, tkn Welbutrim. This helps control the urge to constantly eat. Im interested in this fat flsh. Whts the name of the bk and author? mayb it is what i need instead of the expensive stuff.

VERY interesting. I am counting WW points at the moment (no meetings, I'm just sort of freeform right now and got a bootleg pts finder) but if/when I am ready for a commitment to a regimen to detoxify AND boost weightloss I would totally try the two week thing again.

WW pts. are great cause you can eat anything, but I feel a bit concerned about eating chemical-laden food to make it easy to keep on track. Worry about working my liver overtime. But, it's what I feel I can handle at the moment MENTALLY and I'm starting on anti-oxidants to remove those toxins faster. It's got to be healthier than making excuses, with all the health risks of overweight.

I will look for that new book - it sounds like just my ticket. I think I may be ready in another month. I'm easing my poor weak mind into a long-term change as I have lots to lose. :D

Isn't it interesting how this plan and the Zone seem to mesh, overlap and compliment? I saw that Sears has a new book too, the Omega Zone. I do think they're on the right track.

Sundrop, Orange, tell us how you like it when you begin. :)

Wow, replies!

Well, I'm on day 4.

It's quite a challenging plan-
Here's the low-down

Phase 1
no refined sugar or artificial sweeteners (Stevia+ Ok)
No wheat or grains
No dairy
no caffeine
lean protein 8-12 ozs a day
unlimited non-starchy vegetables
2 servings of fruit
whey shakes
2 eggs
2 tbsp of flax seed oil
psyllium water mix morning and night
lots of unsweetened cranberry juice dilluted with water
GLA- evening primrose supplements
Oh and hot lemon water too.

moderate daily exercise.

It's a 2-4 week plan to detoxify your system-
phase 2 adds back in friendly carbs and low fat dairy

It's a trip. I was already on a moderate carb eating plan so losing the starches was easy, but dairy has been difficult, and my 6 cups of coffee a day had been very difficult to do without.

But I did lose 6 pounds in the first 3 days, and I haven't been hungry and perhaps for the first time in my life, I have no desire for sweets.

Wow, what results! That is so nice to not have any cravings, eh??
Keep it up, and let us know how it is still going for you!

Ok. My brain is stumbling over that list of things to NOT eat.

So, what DO you eat? I guess just about everything I eat has something in it I shouldn't be eating.

Can you give me an example of your daily meals?

Thanks,
Tiffany

P.S. Hi Cafe!! :wave:

Yeah it is restrictive so the 2-4 week duration is all about boredom setting in.

A real day meal plan for me is

long life cocktail- cran-water and psyllium- 8 ozs
hot lemon water 30 minutes before food
1 cup organic coffee

2 eggs scrambled- no oil or salt, possibly spelt bread toasted drizzled with flax seed oil

1/2 apple, celery

large salad with 4 ozs grilled chicken, any veggies lurking in fridge- home made dressing
apple cider vinegar, flax seed oil, stevia plus, mustard, garlic

designer whey protien smoothie with 1 cup of berries, lactaid milk 8 ozs
divide smoothie in half for after work out and afternoon snack.

other half apple of apple celery and carrot for snack while making dinner

fish cooked in low sodium broth, lots of fresh steamed veggies, more salad
1/2 cup of brown rice if I skipped the toast in the morning.

also 2 tbsp flax seed oil
evening primrose oil
64 ozs of cran-water throughout day

herbal tea sweetened with stevia plus for a treat
long life cocktail before bed

This is NOT by the book, I have taken some liberties, lactose free milk for instance and bread OR rice once a day which she recommends for athletes and pregnant or nursing women, I'm not in those groups but feel I need it intellectually.
I also take Saturdays off, not part of the plan but necessary for me.

at IVillage.com they have a lot of fat flush info including some sample menus.
The women who can stick with it lose huge amounts of weight and often find that they had food sensitivities that they were unaware of. I have been really evenly tempered all week and full of energy, it is remarkable. Yesterday we went to a big music festival and I ate small amounts of festival food, I came home and slept, woke up with a head ache and really bloaty. Ick.

Oh and I weighed in yesterday- I lost 9 pounds first week!
Now it should slow to 4-5 pounds a week untill I reintroduce dairy and other "friendly" carbs.

Thanks for posting this! I would love to read more menus, if you think you have time to post more in the future. Congrats on the 9 pounds!!

All about Fat Flush

http://www.ivillage.com/diet/features/fatflush/articles/0,5050,222480_13884,00.html

There is a link on this page to a sample menu and the support BBS, you can lurk and read about the success and frustrations of this way of eating.

WOW. I just heard her on the radio yesterday morning while driving to work. It sounds interesting.Today I read some more info on it at iVillage. It sounds like there is some info in the book that would be helpful for all diets, but I would like more info. I was thinking of looking at the book to find out what exactly is in the cocktails, etc. I am glad to see that you don't have to have the 1/2 grapefruit; that there are some substitutes.

Since I'm low carbing it right now, I would not mind giving this a try. At least to flush out my system and get a jump start.Please keep posting more info. Thanks, Sundrop.

A few questions please:

1~~Can you drink decaff coffee or must it be organic?
2~~What exactly is in the LLC? Are there options on making it?
3~~What fruits are acceptable in phase 1?
4~~Can you eat Eggbeaters instead of eggs?

thanks, Sil

Here is a synopsis I found on the web:

Sil, the LLC is not optional in ingredients, I think. I read the recipe is 1 heaping teaspoon psyllium husk powder OR one heaping tablespoon of flax seed meal into a glass of 4oz filtered water with 4oz of unsweetened cranberry juice, which can all be found in most health food stores. I am not sure about the fruits, but the plan says low glycemic ones...you can look at www.mendosa.com for a list of the gi values. I'm not sure about the other questions! I bought the book but haven't read it yet.

Here is what I found:

Emphasis is not given solely to controlling insulin production but to "Five Hidden Weight Gain Factors" being
* Liver toxicity
* Waterlogged tissues
* Fear of eating fat
* Excess insulin
* Stress fat

The plan has three set guidelines
Phase 1: The two week Fat Flush
Phase 2: Ongoing fat Flush
Phase 3: The lifestyle eating plan

Phase 1 is the 'toughest' stage of the program and has been labled 'bootcamp'. It is first and foremost a cleansing program to facilitate weight loss by giving the liver support and nourishment.

Phase 2 is designed for ongoing weight loss with a bit more variety in food choices adding back a 'friendly' carb each week to check for adverse reaction to it.

Phase 3 is really the fat flush maintance program providing a lifelong eating program aimed at increasing your vitality and well-being for life. Now 2 dairy products can be reintroduced and a variety of starchier veggies and nongluten grains. Once again new foods are added back one at a time to gauge your bodies reaction. Once on this stage of the program you will likely find your daily percentages work out at the ratio 40:30:30

The FFP is made up of whole natural foods eaten without salt.
Cut out are trans fats, caffine, diet sodas, alcohol, aspartame, sugar, yeast relalted vinegars (except apple cider vinegar), all grains and cereals, starchy vegetables, in the first phases dairy products (except whey) are also cut.

Flaxseed oil (2 tlbs) and essential fatty acid supplement are to be taken daily.
1 cup of unsweetened Cranberry juice is to be watered down to make up 64 oz and taken throughout the day.
First thing upon waking and last thing at night you have a teaspoon of psyllium husks in a glass of the 'cran-water' dubbed the 'Long life cocktail'.
Lemon juice in morning in hot water.
Lean Protein up to 8oz a day.
Eggs up to 2 a day.
Vegetables unlimited from a choice of non starchy low GI selection.
Fruit up to 2 a day from the low GI and carb, eg; 1/2 grapefruit or 1 c berries equals one choice.


A Day on Phase 1: The 2-Week Fat Flush Plan

Try this sample menu:

On arising:
Long Life Cocktail

Before breakfast:
8 ounces hot water with lemon juice

Breakfast:
Veggie scramble: 2 scrambled eggs with spinach, green peppers, scallions and parsley, and one 8-ounce glass of cran-water

Midmorning snack:
1/2 large grapefruit

20 minutes before lunch:
One 8-ounce glass of cran-water

Lunch:
4 ounces of salmon with lemon and garlic, warm asparagus, mixed-green salad with broccoli florets and cucumber, 1 tablespoon flaxseed oil, and one 8-ounce glass of cran-water

Midafternoon:
Two 8-ounce glasses of cran-water

4pm snack:
1 apple

20 minutes before dinner:
One 8-ounce glass cran-water

Dinner:
4 ounces of grilled lamb chop with a pinch of cinnamon and a dash of dried mustard, sautéed kale in broth, baked summer squash with a touch of cloves, and 1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Midevening:
Long Life Cocktail

How to Use This Menu:
You can use this example as a basic menu guide. Just substitute foods from the same food groups for daily variety. Besides the daily diet, take GLA supplements, and a balanced multivitamin/mineral. You can change the fluid intake to suit your schedule if that is more convenient, of course.

Important Reminder :
No herbs or spices except for those fat flushing herbs and spices outlined in The Fat Flush Plan
No margarine
No alcohol
No sugar
No oils or fats except those in the flaxseed oil
No grains, bread, cereal or starchy vegetables such as beans, potatoes, corn, parsnips, carrots, peas, pumpkin, or acorn or butternut squash
No dairy products

Ok. *blushing* I was curious about this, and I am amazed at the 9 pound loss, but some of that stuff just sounds GROSS. :lol:
I guess I just don't want to be restricted so much. I admire all of you with the dedication and desire to do this, and I think I will lurk here and see what happens with the results...but honestly, I am too lazy to do this.

Now, if I had a personal chef who would cook for me to those specifications, we would have a deal!

Good luck to you all!
Tiffany
Over 25 pounds gone!
:cb:

Thanks Jennifer :)
I printed out what you wrote so that I could use it as a reference.
I don't think it would be such a bad idea to flush out the body of toxins and such. But I'm not sure that I could do this as my DH and I always go out for dinner on Thursdays. So I'll have to think about this.

Jennifer, thanks for bringing it all here :)

Grossness factor- I happen to really like the taste of flax, lemons and cranberry.
I used Splenda the first week to sweeten things up (not fat flush approved) and now use Stevia plus which is on the program.
Some people are not fond of the cranwater and LLC, I've always been an unprocessed, naked food lover so this wasn't a stretch for me.

Organic coffee is strongly suggested- there are a zillion toxic chemicals on coffee and they all go through the liver. Decaf not reccommended, just don't drink coffee at all which is the very best option on this plan. This was my biggest hurdle, and I had some headachy days getting through it.

So funny thing about this diet is that it is very easy to prepare food for because your choices are limited, I keep it low tech and grill fish or chicken, I have gound turkey patties and the Fat Flush soup. And I love the designer whey shakes with blueberries, I drink cinammon tea and cranberry tea in the eves to add a little thermogenics to my diet. But I don't put the spices on my food much, I don't eat veal or lamb or beef much.
I love the 2 eggs a day requirement- I found a FF devilled egg recipe and make them every 2 days. The whole family eats them.
Veggies I steam with some flax seed oil drizzled over them or eat raw and crunchy. I don't know why but food has been tasting better and better to me.
I had celery last nightto snack on while I cooked the family dinner that was so delicious... I do miss cheese and yogurt a lot.

I'd like to give this a try and i'll take it one week at a time. I plan to start next Monday, so this week I have been trying to make some of the new changes. I am cutting back slowly on my morning coffee, drinking more water and cranwater, adding flax seed oil to my salads, taking the LLC 2X/day and taking some Evening Primrose capsules. If I do alittle bit each day, i should be ready for next Monday.
Any tips, suggestions or ideas are welcome. :D
~~~Sil
P.S. I bought the book today so I'll have alot of reading tonight in bed.

Just doing the LLC alone can be a help according to one lady I read about on a mailing list. She said she went to Europe and ate pretty hearty, but drank her LLC 2x a day and she still lost a couple of pounds.

Yesterday I went shopping for some of these items. I bought the book, flax seed oil, Stevia plus, Evening Primrose Oil capsules, lemons, and cranberries.
I am making my own cranwater (recipe found in the book) because i could only find unsweetened cranberry nectar which also had some white grape juice concentrate in it. The label was Knudsen, which was mentioned on iVillage, but it has 38 carbs/8oz as compared to 15gms carbs as mentioned by Ann in her book.

So I am making my own: Place a 12 oz bag of fresh cranberries into a large saucepan. Add about 4 cups purified water, and boil until the berries pop. Strain the juice, and if you like, you can add some Stevia Plus to take the edge off the tartness. This makes about 32 oz of straight cranberry juice which you will then dilute as directed for the cranwater.

How are you all doing?
~~~Sil

I am having a decent week diet wise, but exercise has fallen by the wayside, TOM a few days away and I'm a bit low on energy, but less crabby than usual!

2BeFit1- If you have questions or concerns, the Ivillage board is full of friendly FF veterans and Anne Louise answers questions there constantly. As her book is rocketing to the top, I doubt she'll be so available in the coming months.

So good for you! The first few days are going to suck, just so you know, detox is not fun to go through, but then you'll feel amazing. keep us apprised of your experience. I am sort of hoping we can develop our own little FF community here.

Oh, the LLC is not my favorite part of this plan, I've been grinding flax seeds for it, I'm switching to psyllium next week. But, it fills me up. It's so funny I drink that and next thing I know it's 11:00 and I forgot to eat breakfast. I like it because on other low carb programs I just wasn't getting enough fiber but on this one no problem. And I'm not constantly thinking, "am I in ketosis? I don't feel dizzy I must not be in ketosis..." I just eat like I am supposed to and get on with my life. I am less focused on food than I have ever been. I made peanut butter cookies yesterday for Dh's lunch and kids. I was not even tempted. They just don't look good to me. No desire for sweets, stopped using stevia in my shakes because it was too sweet, drinking my coffee black now. It's just strange behavior for a life-long sugar addict believe me.

Oh and DH who is very trim and fit, is starting it with me next Monday, he just wants the detox effects and metabolic benefits. He's become a believer watching me.

SunDrop, that was really funny about the naked foods. You need to change your profile to say Naked Food Lover instead of Member!

This week was in preparation for starting FFP next week. I did not but any psyllium yet. i have been using Metamucil the past 2 days. I know, it has aspartamine. But I am looking for some capsules called Super G cleanse (or something like that). Anne said that these capsules are OK to use instead of psyllium.

Yesterday I only had one cup of coffee and today I wasn't going to have any but a friend dropped by and we ended up having a cup together.

I am unable to post on the boards at iVillage because I forgot my name and password (haven't been there in awhile) and I'm waiting for them to send it to me. In the meantime, What is everybody talking about when they mention the fat burner solution. They all say is gross. What are they referring to? I know that it comes in the Unikey kit, but what is it?

Sundrop, I hope this works I've been drinking all my cranwater and I feel and look bloated.

Good for you! a prep week is really going to help.


Cranwater- give it just a few days and you'll get the big whoosh of 8 pounds of water falling off you, I promise.
Once you are on it full time you are going to feel mildly to severely yucky as your body fights the detox and starts to release all the nasty stuff stuck in your system. I had one strange evening that felt like the flu, chills, body aches, lethargy, even some really convincing sinus congestion but it was gone in the morning and since then I have been quite well.

I am still awaiting my unikey order, so no review on the fat burner solution.
Are you taking the flax seed oil yet?

Coffee, I still have a cup a day, though I seem to be leaving more of that cup undrank every day.

I slipped up and had some diet soda last night (Splenda sweetened). I don't feel any differently this morning. So, don't be too hard on yourself, if there is something that you "need" to have (like coffee) I see lots of people on the IVillage board in total self-flagellation mode. The plan works not because of a magic ingredent, it works because, you drink a ton of diuretics, eat very little carbs and keep your calorie intake around 1200 per day. Low sodium, no dairy, no wheat those restrictions keep you from cheating and for those with sensitivities start a sort of healing process. and low salt is great for water retention problems. I love all the liver-flushing talk and I'm sure it's all very healthy and good for you, but low carb, moderate calorie/exercise is what it's all about.

I don't mean to sound jaded, I really love this plan, but I think it's important that the smoke and mirrors and recomended supplements (that ALG gets a cut of the profit on) don't get in the way of sound metabolic understanding.

So have faith, give it a try. I weigh in tomorrow right in the middle of TOM so I'm trying to get ready for a smaller loss than I would like but I've felt so good this week, I'm ready for whatever the scale says.

I read on Ivillage about those women who have lost 30-40 pounds in just a few months and I so want to be in a smaller size before fall gets here, I think I may just do it.

Hi Sundrop :wave:
I agree with you whole heartedly :cp: .
I've been around the block enough to know that there is no majic ingredient or quick fix to losing weight. The keys are eating healthy, exercise, consistency, planning and focus.

I think that I will still have 1 cup of coffee/day, as it tends to help my bowels. I am going to get some magnesium today so maybe that will help, and I can cut out the coffee altogether. I'm also going to look for the Super GI Cleanse capsules that ALG says you can use instead of psyillium.

For me planning and preparation are so important, especially when I work, as I leave the house at 5:30 and work 13 hr shifts (with a 45 min drive one way). This afternoon I'm going to cut up my veggies, cook my greens (spinach, kale),slice some mushrooms and dice onions (for my scrambled eggs in the mornings), cook chicken breasts, etc. Having it all handy in the fridge will make this plan easier for me.

I also gain 4-6 # of water weight with my TOM, so don't panic when you weigh in. Have peace of mind knowing that when the water weight flushes away in a few days you will notice results. :cb:
WE CAN DO THIS, GIRL ! ! !
Let's keep this thread going OK. Maybe each Monday morning we can start a new thread to post on. What do you think?
Between this and the low-carb threads, there is lots of support.
Thanks for yours :D :D

Almost forgot to answer you: Yes, I am using flax seed oil (UDOS), GLA caps and I think that I will also get some flax seeds as they are nice to sprinkle on veggies and salads.
~~~Sil
137/126/120

2BeFit1- Glad to be here, hope I can help, and I am also hoping we are really sucessful and inspire others to give it a try.

I am waiting for the cullulite changes that I have read about, myself. BUt I think I may need to get closer to goal before it will be a dramatic change.

I don't know if you are a soup lover, August heat is so Soup-conducive!
But the fat flush soup recipe in the book Rocks! My kids eat it all LOL!
My DD start kindergarten on Tuesday and asked me to make extra soup for her thermos.
Having the soup on hand saved me last night as we had roasted chicken and mashed potatos. The chicken smelled amazing but was really drowning in fat and the mashed potatoes are just not FF friendly yet.
So I heated up soup dumped some pre-made salad in a bowl and rewarded my non-fast food choice with a diet soda. I felt good not deprived. And I had half a huge local grown peach for dessert. Yes preperation is really key to success. I write everything out that I am going to eat each day and post it on the fridge, with choices for snacks, and I make sure that I have celery cut.

I'm home most days with the kids so I don't have the job/diet hurdles to get over. I do get bored though and find myself aimlessly wandering the kitchen, that's a habit I am working on.

Have a great day!

SunDrop

It sounds like you are adjusting to the FFP very well. I haven't had a chance to look at the recipes yet, but I will later today. Thanks for the heads up.

I had to run errands today so I took a bottle of cranwater and a sliced apple with me. I think I need to get more fiber right now: it might help. I couldn't find the Super GI Cleanse caps that are mentioned in the book and at iVillage. I even checked the health food store. But I did get some psyllium husk tablets and some magnesium tabs.
I just got home and am eating a salad. This is difficult for me to eat without salad dressing. I put on flax seed oil and lemon juice, some Mrs Dash and flax seeds. But I also put just a few drops of a pesto dressing to help transition me. It was only about a teaspoon (2 tablespoons =2gms carbs) so it's not too bad. I'm sure that with time I will get better.

I only work 2 days a week, and I've always taken my days worth of food with me because I usually don't get time to leave the unit to eat. So as long as I'm prepared, I will be just fine.

I usually don't get a chance to post during the weekend, but I'll try.

my dressing-
flax seed oil
apple cider vinegar
stevia +
mustard powder
chopped garlic
and any other aromatic herbs that look appealing.
I whir it all in a blender starting on low speed with the oil and adding bit by bit, to get an emulsion (thickening of oil to traditional salad dressing consistency)
It reminds me of honey mustard a little.

It does not stay thick forever though , it separates after a few hours (no stabillizers)so I make it once a day.

I'll be busy this weekend too, so we'll catch up on Monday, Though I may post my loss tomorrow !

Thanks, I'll give it try tonight on my salad.

Down 3.5 more pounds for a total of almost 13 pounds in 14 days.
I'm getting a massage as a reward/treat tomorrow.

My waist is down 2 inches which I find so amazingly great I can't tell you.

16s are feeling loose!

Just 38 more pounds to goal!

Great thread, I'm encouraged by your progress!

It's been a long time but I'm writing in my planner that I need to go out and get this book and start thinking about WHEN I want to do a two-week or possibly even four-week plan.

Anyway, I'll drop by again. Thanks for sharing this information.

If a person switched from Atkins plan to Fat Flush, would they go out of ketosis? I seem to spend all my time and energy trying to stay IN ketosis on Atkins. Don't the fruit and cran juice trigger carb cravings?
When you have this oil, do you just have it by the spoonful? Isn't that kind of gross?

Linda, Meet us over at the thread called "Fat Flush Plan~Week of 8/12" OK? This is an old thread and you might not get any answers over here.
~~~Sil