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EveLHaelf
07-11-2009, 08:23 PM
Alright, so my husband has been complaining that I've been snoring at night. At first, I didn't believe him but then (the little sh*t head) he actually RECORDED me sleeping one night and showed it to me the next day. So a few months pass and more and more complaining about how my snoring is getting worse and yadda yadda. A few more months pass and he now can't even get to sleep in our bed because of my snoring. He did an impression once and it sounded like i was quiet for a while and then i let out a loud 'snore' sound. (can't describe it very well, lol.) The last few nights he's been sleeping on the couch, he says my snoring has gotten so bad. He actually suggested that maybe I have sleep apnea. Huh? I thought that was where you stopped breathing...??? And wouldn't I wake up or something? Or not have a very restful sleep if I kept waking up? I really have no idea, but he wants me to go to the doctor about it. How would they be able to tell? Would they have to monitor me while I sleep or something? And isn't 'sleep apnea' a weight related issue? If so then DANG I gotta keep losing! I'm only 22 and the health issues due to excess weight are creeping up on me! already got me some pre-hypertension....ugh...


Onederchic
07-11-2009, 08:34 PM
I don't know everything about it but I do know that when I was at 330 pounds, I had sleep apnea. I use to wake sometimes not able to get my breath for a minute and my boyfriend use to say he worried because I would stop breathing while sleeping quite often. Since I have lost a significant amount of weight so far, I have not had any episodes where I wake struggling to breathe and my boyfriend says I rarely snore like before and I don't stop breathing at all anymore.

It wouldn't hurt to consult a doctor about it.


Good luck.

Hugs
Michelle

kiramira
07-11-2009, 08:39 PM
You can have snoring without sleep apnea. So a proper sleep assessment would be in order.
And don't forget that your DENTIST can make something called a "snore appliance" for you, which will keep your jaws aligned so that the back of your throat will remain open and your snoring will be stopped. I'd go see my dentist if this was a case of snoring, and not sleep apnea.
Let us know how it goes!
Kira


beerab
07-11-2009, 08:43 PM
Yes it can be weight related or genetic- my dad has it and so do I- I'm hopefully it'll go away with weight loss.

I know when I had sleep apnea I was tired throughout the day and just wanted to go to bed when I got home.

I think if you have developed snoring then you may have it.

You don't need to be watched. When I was diagnosed I went to see my primary with my husband- we spoke to her about it and filled out information. Then a company came over to my house with a kit, showed me how to hook it up, then I put it on and went to sleep with the recorder on. When I got up I put the kit all back together then they came and picked it up. A few days later they confirmed I had mild sleep apnea. I went to this place, got fitted for a mask and was given a machine calibrated to the settings I needed. Since then life has been so much better for me- I wake up ready to face the world. I come home and am not as tired, and so on.

Sleep apnea is VERY bad for your heart and blood pressure- you can DIE from complications due to sleep apnea- so please get checked out.

Here is my cpap machine:

http://www.thecpapshop.com/cpap-machines/3303_h3i.html

if you scroll down you can see it takes either mask. I use the nose mask, not the full face one because mine is very mild.

I would stop breathing 12 times per hour for 10 seconds at a time, and no I wouldn't wake up- all my body would do is go out of REM sleep so it'd stop then go back into REM sleep but because I was messing with my cycle I wasn't getting proper sleep.

EveLHaelf
07-11-2009, 08:43 PM
Thanks Michelle! I haven't noticed anything like you described, but I'm sure it was VERY scary for you! I'm glad you no longer have that problem! And it's amazing how much weight you've lost so far! Congrats.

I'm kinda stubborn when it comes to seeing doctors about stuff.....If i do have sleep apnea, they're just going to tell me to lose weight which I'm working on so I don't see the point really.

But does sleep apnea actually cause you to snore? I don't remember people ever telling me i snored before, so my excessive snoring is probably due to my weight i'm guessing?

EveLHaelf
07-11-2009, 08:48 PM
Kira, that is something i didn't know! Intersting. Thanks! :hug:

beerab, very informative! Thank you! I think I'm re considering getting checked out....your tale scared me a bit! But thank you very much for the info, i'm not so clueless anymore. :hug:

kiramira
07-11-2009, 08:50 PM
Hi there!
Here is a link to a good article that shows the difference between snoring and sleep apnea and why you should get checked out:
http://www.helpguide.org/life/sleep_apnea.htm
Here's a link to snoring. It shows the treatments available.
http://www.helpguide.org/life/snoring.htm
A sleep appliance from your dentist takes a little getting used to, but is way cheaper and more easily adapted to than a CPAP machine (which has a mask and all). Sleep appliances are basically a double piece of acrylic, like a mouth guard you would wear if you grind your teeth at night, with a little adjustable springy thing to keep your jaws apart.
Just keep it away from the dog, because for some reason, dogs LOVE to eat these. Seriously...
Hope this helps!
Kira

Onederchic
07-11-2009, 08:57 PM
Thanks Michelle! I haven't noticed anything like you described, but I'm sure it was VERY scary for you! I'm glad you no longer have that problem! And it's amazing how much weight you've lost so far! Congrats.


You're welcome and thank you so very much :hug::hug:

ddc
07-11-2009, 09:03 PM
My husband snores when he's lying on his back.
Is yours in any certain position??
Could just be sinus problems. Are you feeling any sinus symptoms?
Best wishes :)

gt26
07-11-2009, 09:53 PM
I have to say your description sounds very much like sleep apnea. Having been on the other side of it (my husband was the snorer with apnea) I can sympathize with your husband not being able to sleep through it. My husband got a mouth appliance after a sleep study--all covered by medical insurance even though a dentist made the appliance, because it's a medical problem. Other posters are right on--sleep apnea is one of the leading causes of heart disease and can really be serious, so I hope you won't ignore it! Some people successfully get rid of it though by losing weight, so here's some added motivation. You and your husband will feel so much better when you're getting better sleep. My husband of course didn't believe it, but when he finally got the mouth piece he s aid he had never felt so good on less sleep Good luck!

kaplods
07-11-2009, 10:01 PM
Sleep apnea isn't something you would necessarily notice. I had no idea that I had it (though my husband did often wake me up to tell me I was snoring).

I think that the quiet between snores that you describe sounds very much like sleep apnea (my thin sister snores, but doesn't have apnea, and her snores do not have more than a second or two gap between, it's definitely as regular as her breathing).

If you have sleep apnea, a doctor isn't "just going to tell you to lose weight," because losing weight will take a while, but significant apnea needs to be treated promptly. Untreated apnea, as beerab mentioned can cause very serious health problems, even death. I've had doctors suggest that years of untreated sleep apnea, may have contributed to my fibromyalgia and autoimmune disease.

I was experiencing fatigue by the time I was tested, but who knows how long I had the apnea before it was found. I suspect that I've had it since my weight first exceeded 360 lbs (because it disappeared at around that weight), so that's been at least 14 years.

When I had the sleep study done, it found that I was having 90 periods of apnea per hour. Like you, I asked the doctor, "wouldn't I wake up and notice?" and he said that I was waking up, but it was so brief that I wasn't waking up enough to remember in the morning.

Being overweight can cause sleep apnea, but it can happen to thin and underweight people too. My sleep apnea disappeared (determined by another sleep study) after losing only about 40 lbs. I do tend to gain weight last and lose weight first in my head and neck, and for my weight have a relatively small double chin, so I think it's a matter of literally the fat that was in my neck/throat area.

Because the health consequences can be very severe (and don't necessarily take a decade to develop), I would beg you to go see your doctor. Take the tape of your snoring with you.

If they do order a sleep study, they'll tell you to wear what you're most comfortable sleeping in, and bring your own pillow or whatever you think will help you sleep better. Sometimes the room is a standard hospital room, but often it's made to look more like a nice home or motel bedroom. They'll stick little sensors to your head, and body. I thought I didn't sleep a wink, but I slept enough for them to get the data.

EveLHaelf
07-11-2009, 10:02 PM
My husband snores when he's lying on his back.
Is yours in any certain position??
Could just be sinus problems. Are you feeling any sinus symptoms?
Best wishes :)

Just asked my hubby and he said it doesn't matter what position i'm in, it doesn't help. And one of the big reasons I didn't believe him at first, was my throat never felt sore and my sinuses felt fine. I was always under the assumption that if you snored, that either your throat or your sinuses would hurt the next day....:?:

kaplods
07-11-2009, 10:19 PM
I was always under the assumption that if you snored, that either your throat or your sinuses would hurt the next day....:?:

Often sleep apnea is symptom-free until it starts to cause secondary health problems. That's why it's so dangerous, it can go undetected and untreated for years.

I have sinus issues, but they were allergy-related, not related to the apnea or the snoring. My husband snores very severely (I strongly suspect he has sleep apnea, but while he encouraged me to get treated, he refuses saying there's no way he'd ever be able to get used to the CPAP machine. It frustrates me, because I don't want him to be putting his health at such severe risk, but there's nothing I can do to prevent him from being stupid).

If anyone would suffer pain in the morning from snoring, it would be him (yikes, it's loud enough to wake the dead), but he doesn't. No sore throat or sinus pressure.

EveLHaelf
07-11-2009, 10:21 PM
Alright, I am going to make a doctor's appointment right now! I'm a bit scared but I'm glad you guys talked me into getting checked out. I made it for wednesday the 15th. I will let ya know how it goes! Thanks for all your info and advice! Big help! :hug: 's to all

Onederchic
07-11-2009, 10:22 PM
Good luck and you'll be in my thoughts and prayers that it's nothing serious :hug:

Jacquie668
07-12-2009, 07:05 AM
Just my two cents. My boyfriend had sleep apnea, he still does, but doesn't use his machine now.

The snoring is very different than "regular snoring." A lot of people confuse "snoring" for sleep apnea symptoms. I noticed my boyfriend's mouth would open and he would get silent, then repeat, like he was gasping for air, and it wasn't normal so I mentioned to him years ago. I finally convinced him to go see a doctor because he didn't realize he was actually exhausted from not getting a restful sleep. In fact his doctor at the sleep study he did said that most people don't realize it because they think they are not getting a restful sleep because of other reasons.

The snoring is also, loud, louder than what I consider normal snoring because my in my boyfriend's case he was trying to breathe. In his test, he was told that he stopped breathing literally 48 times in 60 seconds. This all night means you are not getting a restful sleep. His machine allowed him to sleep and weight loss does help. He doesn't use his machine now, but he has recently gained weight so he snores, but no where near what he used to. He probably should use a machine, but he doesn't want to brave another sleep study for now, so he sleeps on an incline and that does help. The problem is I wake up a lot more than usual now and make him turn over, sleeping on his back is worse for it.

I'll tell you that from being the one who heard the snoring, it was horrible. I couldn't sleep it was so loud. My poor cat and I would sometimes crash out on the couch and she would go in there and scream at him and come back to me. He was so loud lol. So, we weren't getting sleep either.

The machine was a nice sound though. Kind of like a fan sound, so it was nice to hear when I would go to bed. :) Then he actually had a good night's rest and he was happy and pleased with it. A very nice change for all of us. I mean who wants to stop breathing while they sleep? no one!

kaplods
07-12-2009, 12:34 PM
Jut want to clarify that it's not only true that people who snore may not have sleep apnea, but also that people with sleep apnea don't always snore (or may not snore loudly).

I agree that sleep apnea snoring generally has (or can have) a very characteristic pattern, but an absence of snoring or loud snoring, doesn't mean an absence of apnea.

Jacquie668
07-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Jut want to clarify that it's not only true that people who snore may not have sleep apnea, but also that people with sleep apnea don't always snore (or may not snore loudly).

I agree that sleep apnea snoring generally has (or can have) a very characteristic pattern, but an absence of snoring or loud snoring, doesn't mean an absence of apnea.

His brother actually also had sleep apnea, his snoring was a lot quieter in fact I don't think it kept her up at night, but had a distinct pattern that made his wife question if it was normal. Pretty much, if your partner wakes up because of snoring and you feel it isn't what one would consider "normal" I would say try to get your partner to go see a doctor. You never know, it is better to be safe than sorry.

From what I know, in speaking with the doctors involved in my boyfriend's case, most of the people who have sleep apnea exhibit some sort of breathing sound (snoring) that isn't the norm. I think my boyfriend's regular doctor said he personally had not had a patient who didn't have some sort of snoring, but he also said that there probably were cases out there of people who had sleep apnea who didn't have the snoring issue. We asked a bunch of questions obviously lol.

I mean you have other symptoms, not just snoring, in my boyfriend's case the snoring was literally so loud it was totally NOT the norm and when I observed him, I could tell something was seriously wrong. The thing is, from his side of things, he was waking up exhausted and had no idea he wasn't breathing during his sleep. That was quite a shock to him when he found out because he would stop breathing for only a split second, then back again. However, he also had the longer periods where he wouldn't breath (when he was silent) and then he would gasp for hair and that was when the snoring was the loudest. Obviously all snoring doesn't mean sleep apnea, however if the snoring is concerning anyone I would suggest getting things checked out. He did like the machine though, which was good as not everyone likes the breathing machine. :D

Just clarifying what I know about it and my experience... ;)

kaplods
07-12-2009, 04:56 PM
My point was just that the lack of symptoms or the lack of very noticeable symptoms, can be misinterpreted. It's very easy to assume (but wrongly) that if there are no noticeable symptoms or if symptoms are mild, that there is no sleep apnea, or that the apnea can't be severe, which isn't always the case.

Noticeable symptoms are a red flag, but it's very common for people to think that because there aren't any red flags it couldn't possibly be a problem, and that's just not true.

I think because of the posible severe health consequences, it's better to suspect sleep apnea and find out there is none, than to assume it can't be apnea because there's no snoring, or because the snoring isn't loud enough, or doesn't follow a particular pattern (which is why my normal snoring, syster had her sleep study done, because it could have been apnea, but turned out not to be) or because one isn't experiencing symptoms like fatigue, etc.

If a person snores, even if it's a normal sounding snore, I would encourage them to be tested for sleep apnea.

If a person doesn't snore (or isn't sure whether or not they snore), but experiences significant and unexplainable fatigue, I would encourage them to be tested for sleep apnea (and other sleep disorders such as restless leg syndrome, periodic limb movement disorder, as well as measuring sleep stages).

Sleep disorders have such a significant impact on health and are largely undiagnosed. Personally, I would love to see sleep studies becoming part of routine health care. Not that everyone would need one annually, but maybe at least one in early adulthood for a baseline and maybe every 10 years or so if a person has no symptoms, and maybe every 5 years if they have risk factors.

beerab
07-13-2009, 10:42 AM
I'm so glad you decided to go!

Honestly the CPAP company didn't say a word about my weight. And when I asked the guy who showed me how to use my CPAP "will this go away if I lose weight" he looked surprised that I'd mention that and said it may or may not, he can't say for sure.

If your bf still has sleep apnea why isn't he using his machine? He's really hurting himself by not using it :(

Oh yes my CPAP just sounds like a small fan, it doesn't bother my husband or me at all.

It's difficult the first few weeks getting used to it, you have to adjust your mask for your face and I would knock it off in my sleep then wake up with my mask on the floor and so on lol. Now I sleep so well I don't even MOVE at night- I wake up in the exact same position most of the time and fully rested. The first night girl you will notice a difference!

Oh and at first the air seemed very strong but with time now it seems like nothing :) They explain it all to you when you pick up your mask and machine :)

I have a friend who is VERY stubborn about getting a CPAP- he OBVIOUSLY has sleep apnea as he's always falling asleep and I worry one day he's gonna fall asleep at the wheel! Every gf he has had wouldn't sleep with him cuz of the snoring.

I mean I just don't get the stubborn-ness of him and others I have known. YES the doctor is scary, yes it can cost some money- but what is scarier? The doctor or death? I want to be around for a long time! I don't want to die!