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07-10-2009, 11:59 AM
At the suggestion of Meg, I've started reading this book and it is really good. Knowledge definitely is power and I think I need all the power I can get these days.

I'm feeling better but I've been losing/maintaining my loss for a little over 5 years. For the last 18 months, I've stayed in the same weight range. For the past couple months though I've been severely struggling and a few weeks ago I thought I had a momentary scary thought that I had hit a failure point and was going to start sliding and my weight would return. In 5 years, I've never had such a thought, I've always KNOWN that I was on path for losing and maintaining that loss. Even a moment of thinking otherwise scared me.

Anyway, the book so far covers the biological reasons for food addictions. I'm anxious to read more. Anyone else read it? Anyone else interested in reading it and discussing it?

07-10-2009, 01:53 PM
I really enjoyed this book.I have been trying to rewire my brain!LOL!

07-10-2009, 07:22 PM
I read this book a couple months ago and thought it was wonderful. Never got around to doing a review for the site as life has been nutso.


07-13-2009, 10:40 AM
I have it on hold at the library - still waiting for it. It looks really interesting!

07-13-2009, 02:59 PM
Oh my gosh! I am totally beyond myself - my library actually has it!!!
This is the first item that I actually found in their catalogue. So often I want to read / watch something and I find that my library is really lacking in this department (i.e. nutrition, exercise, weight maintenance etc).

07-13-2009, 07:13 PM
Hey Tomato :)

Does your library offer an inter-library loan program? My branch doesn't always have the book that I want, but it is part of the larger city library system. I can use an online tool to request books from other branches so it's easy for me to pick up.

<-- library addict

07-13-2009, 07:51 PM
Thanks for the plug, Glory. :) from your not-so-local library director.

Also, Alena, I welcome requests from library users as to what books, or kinds of books, they'd like to have. And I usually order them too.

07-14-2009, 10:04 AM
Hey Tomato :)

Does your library offer an inter-library loan program? My branch doesn't always have the book that I want, but it is part of the larger city library system. I can use an online tool to request books from other branches so it's easy for me to pick up.

<-- library addict

Thanks for the suggestion, Glory, but no, it doesn't. Actually I live in a city that consists of two twin cities (administratively, they are still two individual cities but geographically they have morphed into one a looong time ago) and each has a library. I go to both and since each has the catalogue online, it's easy to run searches.
The last item I was (unsuccessfully) searching for was Tom Venuto's book or DVD, forgot which, and neither library had it. I just d
on't want to buy everything I hear about. :( Oh well.

P.S. For Pat - yes, I was actually planning to do that. I just have to be more dilligent and start assembling a list of the stuff I wanted but did not find.


07-17-2009, 07:47 PM
I've been carrying the book around in my suitcase, my purse, and setting on my bed at night. I've deone everything except read it. The friend who loaned it to me (I suggested that she buy it :) ) said that it was full of both horrifying eye-openers, and confirmation of truths that we knew intuitively from our own sturggles. I Will read it....after theother 15 or so books stacked next to it!


07-18-2009, 08:09 PM
Thanks for the plug, Glory. :) from your not-so-local library director.

Also, Alena, I welcome requests from library users as to what books, or kinds of books, they'd like to have. And I usually order them too.

I'm so spoiled. In my Seattle suburb I was part of the FABULOUS King County Library System, which was amazing. Now in San Diego, I bebop between the San Diego City and San Diego County library systems.

I have also requested books (for example, Refuse to Regain) and they were purchased by the library system and were automatically added to my online queue when they became available.

I can't tell you how much I love the library (and libraries in general). I'm a pretty big reader (2-3 books a week) and there is NO WAY I could possibly afford my book habit. It has to be a special special book for me to buy it!

07-18-2009, 08:48 PM
arggh, my cookies lost my library login so I have to go find my card. You have to input your 20 million digit card #.

We dont have great selection in our library system as we have no major city, but the county library system does fairly well with sharing among the libraries. I think there are about 8 libraries in our system. I wish they would share with Multnomah county which includes portland or that you could borrow from Multnomah county if you live where I live.

07-18-2009, 09:32 PM
arggh, my cookies lost my library login so I have to go find my card. You have to input your 20 million digit card #.

Mine is stickied by my work computer and my home computer. I also have it saved as a note in my iPhone. Must be able to put books on hold at any moment!

07-18-2009, 10:54 PM
I'm so spoiled. In my Seattle suburb I was part of the FABULOUS King County Library System, which was amazing. I didn't know you had left Seattle, Glory...haven't been on here much for a few months... but there are 306 holds on this book in the kcls as of right now! I wonder how long that will take? :(

07-19-2009, 12:08 PM
I ALMOST bought this audio book for my last long drive (8 hours) from itunes. Now I'll have to make sure I grab it for next time!

07-20-2009, 07:09 PM
I've read it (my mentor was consulted and quoted in the book, so our lab was of course encouraged to read it :)) It's so refreshing to see a physician who really gets the science of behavior and choice, and recognizes that obesity and weight loss are not merely matters of willpower or dieting.

07-22-2009, 01:37 PM
I want to read it.

07-22-2009, 05:40 PM
Me too! I have it on hold through Interlibrary loan.

07-23-2009, 10:41 AM
Finally got it yesterday and I'm about halfway through LOVING IT!

*cross posted from another place on the forum*

I'm already in maintenance, but I'm always interested in trying to figure out what drove me to eat like I used to. Pastries when I wasn't hungry, a whole bag of chips when I just wanted a serving. Reading this book (and remembering my old reactions to these foods) has made me a believer.

It makes me feel a little better about "old me." A lot of foods are made to be hard to resist, so it's no wonder I found it hard to stay on plan when presented with food temptations. When I changed my life, I concentrated on whole, healthy foods, so most of the food industry manipulated foods were just cut out by default. After living without them (for the most part) for 5 years, the cravings are broken. I can stand in front of the pastry case at Starbucks and order my tall, skinny latte without desperately wanting a muffin to go along with it.

Just a caveat - I do have occasional indulgences, but it's NOTHING like my old life of huge muffin for breakfast, pizza for lunch, chocolate croissant, yogurt pretzels for afternoon snacks and Taco Bell for dinner. And now, I'm living my life as a thin person!

I definitely do not want to be spoon fed some kind of easy to swallow, sugary, salty, fatty adult baby food! I will take REAL FOOD thank you very much.

07-24-2009, 12:11 AM
My husban ordered online for me, at the library I was number 400 and something waiting for the book. He is the best!:D

08-03-2009, 01:27 PM
After waiting for 3 months to finally get this book from the library...

I'm dissapointed.

The author basically repeats himself over and over and over =/ I've heard him promote the book several times on the radio, and I feel that he summarized the book so thoroughly in such appearences that actually reading it added little to nothing to my knowledge (note, however, that I've read several other books on the subject, too).

I was surprised at the questions that the book raised but never answered: Why is the food industry to blame for making their food as palatable as possible if their method of doing so -- "layering" fat, salt, and sugar -- is precisely what home cooks do to make their foods taste yummier? My amazing homemade ice cream has a LOT more fat, sugar, and salt than even Haagan Daz...because I want my ice cream to be as yummy as possible! (And it completely blows any store-bought ice cream out of the water, I can tell you...)

There are things the food industry does with food that is unforgivable --Michael Pollen covers this pretty well in his brilliant In Defense of Food -- but making sugary, fatty, salty foods is not one of them.

Seriously -- read "Roadfood," "Saveur" magazine, etc...Chilis can look downright healthy compared with regional and traditional food favorites =/

I think the best part of this book is the "how to cope" section. Its advice is very sound, imo. I didn't find it personally very useful, as I've personally figured out most of the strategies, but I would recommend this section of the book for those struggling with chronic overeating.

Bright Angel
11-27-2009, 10:18 AM
I bought it, read it, and enjoyed it.
I didn't find the concepts new as I've known forever that high fat/high salt/high sugar foods really activate my brain's personal Pleasure Center.
Still, I think it is informative for those who don't understand that concept.

01-13-2010, 04:20 PM
(not a maintainer but crashing your thread to discuss the book) I finally got this book from the library and I'm bit over half-way through it now. I agree with Jojo that it's very repetative. But I'm getting to the part where he stops talking about how doomed we are to be addicted to food forever and starts actually making suggestions. Looking forward to finishing it.

01-14-2010, 09:48 PM
I'm just at the suggestion part too. Way depressing book!! Fascinating, but depressing.

He acknowledges the only thing that truly fixed the problem was phen-fen (agreed).

Otherwise, sounds like he's recommending AA-type abstinence. Just one bite and all is lost. I'm guessing Weight Watchers would be out, since it allows processed treats. Basically stick to things you can take or leave. Sigh.

01-14-2010, 11:46 PM
The chapter I read this morning did mention that you can eventually work those foods back in on occassions, but yeah, generaly and initially cut it all out.

01-15-2010, 01:02 AM
I didn't really get from the author that we needed to blame anyone - whether that be "big-food" corporations or grandma.

Rather we need to understand that the sugar/fat/salt combo truly does make foods difficult to resist. Those of us who find it difficult aren't freaks of nature, and we're not lazy, crazy, or stupid.

The author isn't even saying that we should never indulge in fat/salt/sugar - just that knowledge is power. Knowing why the food is so tempting, so difficult to control - it makes strategizing easier.

When you think you're just weak, lazy, crazy, or stupid for being unable to stick to your calorie alottment, you're going to find yourself repeating the same cycle with those trigger foods.

If I tell myself that "I should be able to eat a bite of key lime cheesecake, and walk away." I'm going to keep taking that first bite, and every time I take a second bite while screaming in my head not to, I'm going to feel crazy again.

I'm not saying that sheer willpower isn't sometimes required, but why make it harder than it has to be. If most of the time, our food is whole food, in salt/fat/sugar ratios that are closer to those occurring in nature, we won't have to pull out the big guns of pure willpower as often.

Having a piece of birthday cake once a year isn't the end of the world, but if you have difficulty controlling appetite when it comes to the salt/sugar/fat demon - it's easier to avoid the demon than to fight it.

Pick your battles, when, where, and how you're going to fight.

03-30-2010, 02:48 PM
I’ve read many fitness/health/diet books... but this one is the best so far...
I thought this was a brilliant book... I always new I was addicted to foods with sugar and fat, but it is nice to understand why.
He scientifically explain how our (at least mine) brain works once exposed to a “delicious” food.
I am at the end of the book and love. I am just thinking he wont be able to come with an effective way to fix the problem of the addiction to food.
But even if he doesn’t, I still think it was worth the read just to understand the brain reaction towards food and its appealing.

03-31-2010, 10:59 AM
belezura, I'm interested to know if you think his "fix" was helpful at the end. This book got me to make two rules for myself: "No eating in the car" and "No eating anything purchased from a gas station or a drug store." It stopped my junk food eating, cold turkey. But I needed more to lose the weight. I ended up with Judith Beck's books since Kessler mentioned Cognitive Behavioral Techniques and she's the queen of CBT applied to overeating.

03-31-2010, 11:28 AM
Gardenerjoy, I am glad you mentioned about the rule... That was one of the tips I added to my daily routine (I was already using it and didn’t really know it) and help me a lot... It is funny how different it is when you see something as a rule instead of willpower (as he explain at the book). You can actually follow a rule, but you find many excuses for falling for food if you try to rely only in willpower (at least in my case). So just there, he helped me a lot... I am almost at the end, where he is trying to give you some advice in how to deal with overeating. But the chapter I am right now give you exactly the same tips of some books I read before (Life is Hard, Food is Easy or The Thin Commandments Diet -both not even close to how good The End of Overeating is).
I still have dozens of pages to go and maybe I’ll find some other nice tips to incorporate to my routine. I’ll let you know once I am done... But regardless to find the tips or not I highly recommend this book to you. The knowledge that it gives to you is worth reading...
Cognitive Behavioral Techniques is so in my book list...
Please let me know how do you like it!

PS: What is the actually title of the book?
I only found this one: Cognitive Therapy: Basics and Beyond

04-01-2010, 11:10 AM
Maybe it was 'the right book at the right time' but this book really spoke to me. I've never really gone in for the kinds restaurant foods that he discusses in the book, so some was not so relevant to me personally.

But, the part that really spoke to me was about how when we are eating we are basically just giving into our reward response.

I had spent MANY YEARS trying to psycho-analyze myself, thinking about all of the social/emotional issues that led me to overeat, without admitting the really key principle was that I was giving myself little mini-rewards all the time, and that habit was so ingrained that I thought I couldn't live without it.

This book really gave me insight into that-- and since then, I've adopted a pretty boring food routine which works better for me.

04-01-2010, 07:46 PM
belezura, Judith Beck wrote two books that use CBT for weight loss. The first one, The Beck Diet Solution , doesn't include a diet, but teaches you the strategies that you need to stick to a diet. The second one is The Complete Beck Diet for Life and it does have a diet in it.

If you like Beck's books, be sure to see the discussion and support group for them here at 3FC. It's a great group!

04-02-2010, 11:56 AM
I just finished the book last night. And at the end of the book I did find some new tips (also some old ones) on how to outtalk the urge of overeating.
I had to copy some statements before bringing the book back. I liked the book so much that I tried to find more titles under the author, but he only has one more book and talks about smoking. Too bad :(
Looking forward my new book reading: Angry Fat Girls

gardenerjoy, I will have to check out The Beck Diet Solution.
But I also want to read Cognitive Therapy: Basics and Beyond though

10-08-2010, 11:17 PM
My DH has been after me to read this, he has it and it s right by the bedside. Maybe I'll start it tonight. I know from the passages he has read to me, I definitely don't want to eat in certain places anymore, and especially not chicken wings (I would never have ordered them anyways, but blech)

Precious Little
02-26-2012, 04:48 AM
I'm a little late to this party but I read this book a couple weeks ago, and let me say, OH.MY.GOD! It's quite frightening to read, esp. when I got to the part about the layering of flavours, and all the sugar and salt and fat that goes into things (so needlessly in my opinion, if you have to put that much salt and sugar and fat onto something perhaps it's not something you should be eating!).

Anyway, I was already heading down the healthier path, aiming for less processed foods etc. and this just shoved me further in my new direction and reinforced so many of the reasons for my wanting to change to healthier food.

09-22-2012, 10:46 PM
It's funny, I see my post from last time around, losing weight, and being @ 3FC, and the book depressed me. But this time around, I've found its tips so helpful. Mainly the one about not letting food "turn you on." Last time, I'd torture myself, dreaming and staring at things I wanted to eat. Now, as soon as I catch my eyes or brain lingering on something that's not for me, I turn away. So I"m not setting off the chemical reaction--which is HUGE.