LA Weight Loss - Beck Diet For Life/Solution – July 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach




AnneWonders
06-30-2009, 09:48 PM
Welcome to the discussion group, support group, diet coach group, diet buddy group relating to the two books by Dr. Judith S. Beck:The Complete Beck Diet for Life (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/084873274X/3fatchionadie)and the first bookThe Beck DIET solution: train your brain to think like a thin person. (http://astore.amazon.com/3fatchionadie/detail/0848731735/104-4216363-1799918)

The Beck Diet Solution is a psychological program, not a food plan. It provides a step-by-step program to learn specific techniques to stay on our diet, lose weight, and maintain our weight loss for life. The program is based on Dr. Beck's clinical research in Cognitive Therapy (CT).

The Complete Beck Diet for Life expands the earlier work and includes a food plan with suggested menus. From the cover:With The Complete Beck Diet for Life you'll discover the 5 stages of successful deiting and maintenance. You'll learn how to motivate yourself, give yourself credit for every change you make, create time and energy for dieting, and handle hunger and cravings. Dr. Beck easues you into changing one step at a time. You'll master one task before monving on to the next. And you'll learn tehcniques to deal with challenging situations, such as sticking with ou plan at celebrations and dealing with "food pushers." With Dr. Beck's skills, you'll acheive a lifetime of healthful eating and lifelong motivation.

This is a place to discuss the Beck strategies and our daily efforts, to receive and provide support, and, for some of us, is where we serve as on-line diet buddy (coach) to each other.

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The books are available on Amazon through the 3FC store by clicking their names above; buying through 3FC helps to cover the costs of running this site.

Previous Beck threads on 3fatchicks.com:

Beck Diet For Life/Solution – June 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=173073)
Beck Diet For Life/Solution – May 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170594)
Beck Diet For Life/Solution – April 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168219)
Beck Diet For Life/Solution – March 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=165708)
Beck Diet For Life/Solution – February 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=163267)
Beck Diet For Life/Solution – January 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159846)
The Beck Diet Solution – December 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2475240)
The Beck Diet Solution – November 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155386)
The Beck Diet Solution – October 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152905)
The Beck Diet Solution – September 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150552)
The Beck Diet Solution – August 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147919)
The Beck Diet Solution – July 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145225)
The Beck Diet Solution – June 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143194)
The Beck Diet Solution – May 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141254)
The Beck Diet Solution – April 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138609)
The Beck Diet Solution – March 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135814)
The Beck Diet Solution – February 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133223)
The Beck Diet Solution – January 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129810)
The Beck Diet Solution – December 2007 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128075)
The Beck Diet Solution - November 2007 (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126374)
The Beck Diet Solution - October 2007 (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124433)
The Beck Diet Solution - September 2007 (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121790)
The Beck Diet Solution - August 2007 (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119430)
The Beck Diet Solution - July 2007 (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116556)
The Beck Diet Solution - May/June 2007 (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112274)


AnneWonders
06-30-2009, 10:04 PM
Coaches/Buddies I think I got July started OK in the best tradition of our absent BillBE. Hoping he's having a great vacation and finds his way back soon.

Yesterday was a great day plan wise for me. Today I was OK until dinner, when I was overtired and overhungry and ate too much pizza. Oh Well. I ran this morning and it was a horrible run. I just wanted to quit, but did in fact finish. Credit moi.

I have a memory card to make from Sunday night. We took the kids to a birthday party at the jumping castle place and I was able to jump and climb and slide with the best of them. Hooray for not being obese any more.

Margaret Glad to hear you found a new tool for calorie tracking. That should be helpful for accountability.

Tera I hear you on the motivation thing, as evidenced by my now every other day posts. I should start reading/doing again. Uh oh. I see a should. Lemme think about whether I will or I won't.

Robin :wave:

ChinaMaine Sorry about the intermediate weight jump. Even though it is to be expected, I still hate it.

ARC is "Advantages Response Card." The Big One. With the list of all the reasons why we want to lose/maintain our weight. An "intermediate goal" for me is a 5 lb goal. Not sure where I want to end up, but I know it is more than 5 lbs from here. Both are Beck concepts.

onebyone Sorry to hear about your reaction to the photos. BTDT. :hug:

See you all tomorrow. Or Thursday. Sigh.

Anne

RobinW
06-30-2009, 10:34 PM
G'Evening

Anne~ I was able to jump and climb and slide with the best of them. Hooray for not being obese any more. That comment just made me smile :)

:wave: to everyone!

My dd and I have been talking and I asked her if she wanted help getting her sugar under control. When I asked if she felt a little bit crazy in her head because of the sugar, she very shyly nodded yes.

I explained that it isnt about her weight, its about getting that crazy feeling back under control. If the weight comes off...thats cool...if it doesnt, its ok, because she will feel more in control and feel better about herself.

It sure was a hard conversation, but she was all for it. She has her new pretty little note book to log her food and feelings. Her and I will start full on tomorrow morning. She even asked me to make her a strawberry chocolate protein shake for breakfast. Im so proud of her!! I hope I can help her now! I dont want her to suffer with this for the next 30yrs before she figures it out. We'll get it figured out now, and she'll have the tools to deal with it. Hopefully she will be able to remember and keep using them.

As for me, its been an interesting week!! :eek: But I think its going to be ok. :)

nighty night


Greenville Beth
06-30-2009, 11:33 PM
Hello, All. It's good to be back. My computer completely crashed a couple of days ago. It has taken until now to get it working again. I'm just happy I'm back up and online.

Not much else going on. It was kind of a stressful day. My mother's car broke down, and I ended up running around all day trying to help her at the same time trying to get deadline stuff done at work.

The diet is going well. I've been 100% onplan. Credit me. The scale has been going up and down the same lb for almost a week now. I'm not very happy about it, but I'm hoping for a big drop soon.

I went shopping in my closet tonight and I could fit into several things that I couldn't just a week or so ago. So, I know I'm losing weight. I can't wait for the scale to catch up.

I hope everyone is well. I need to head to bed.

Until tomorrow,

Beth

onebyone
07-01-2009, 09:13 AM
Good Morning Coaches

It's a Major Holiday here and I don't think the weather's going to be very nice. The temperatures are very comfortable but it's going to pour rain for sure. I hope it doesn't last, nothing worse than a rained out Canada Day. DH and I have plans to hop the bus in an hour or so and head to the AMC theatre in the west end of the city to see an 11am matinee showing of Public Enemies! Johnny Depp *swoon* PLUS $6 pricing with small popcorn free for members on Wednesdays (that's today and that's us!) DH should be getting up soon so we can reach this lofty goal today.

So I did go over calories yesterday. I decided to have my planned dinner and nip the obsessing over should I? shouldn't I? in the bud. The scale is up once more. another pound overnight. It's all salt and water. Time to get back to basics again = cooking.

Did I tell you guys how thrilled I am grad is over? how thrilled I am things are calming down and falling into place? How pleased I am to be getting my own routine back? Here, I feel like this --->:dancer:

I'd better go. Just wanted to check in and wish you all a good day today. :hug:

maryblu
07-01-2009, 09:26 AM
Yes, you did; you started us off in the fine tradition of BillBE, though it does look weird to see your name there instead of his.

Kudos to all for your efforts. Just one observation:

From a posting on another thread, some one was puzzled about the scale going up in a day rather than down after a perfectly on program day. While studies show that maintainers do better with daily weigh-ins, for those of us with significant amounts of pounds to lose, just stop the madness. If we have to weigh in daily, then just do it and fogeddabout it.......one day's fluctuation is what it is..just that...use the Beck tools you have in your box and don't worry about the scale's #. It is such a trap.

P.S. Easy for me to say. I am still too sad to eat. :-(

onebyone
07-01-2009, 04:37 PM
maryblu I'm sorry you are too sad to eat. I hope the loons and the gardening is getting you through... oh and I hope your dawgs waggle their tails at you and lick your face the way dawgs love to do... :hug:

Greenville Beth Kudos for staying on plan! That pesky scale can do whatever it wants you know. So long as you stick to your plan you are doing all you can do. Keep going! And also kudos for not turning to food to get through your stress. This is true Beck real-world resistance muscle-growing-progress.

RobinW Kudos for having a relationship with your daughter where she can ask for help and you are there to give it. No, on second thought, not kudos but KUDOS for this. I was reading your blog last night and almost posted to it. I may yet. I just wanted to say I see all the work you are doing to change things and I fully believe things will change for you and I am sure they are changing right now as I write this. :hug: to you and your daughter.

wndranne Thanks so much for getting us off to a roaring July 2009 start! BBE will be relieved to find us all here still posting. We all need each other. I seem to do well until lunch/dinner, which is written like that cause I seem to crave HUGE amounts of food mid day and then I eat over my calorie allowance for the day before it's even 5pm. Oh well. It's getting better. Nice ARC about the bouncy castle. I am reminded I need to do a new ARC as well. Thanks.

Everyone have a good evening.

Nuxmaga
07-01-2009, 07:37 PM
onebyone--I grew up in Canada, so I always notice when it's July 1st! Congrats on eating your planned dinner! I know the temptation to skip a meal if I'm off track, and it usually leads to more eating later. Yay for being graduated!!!!

maryblu--I'm sorry to hear of your sadness:hug: I just put up a sign I found at a handmade craft shop, "Gardening is an instrument of grace"--hope you are gardening.

GreenvilleBeth--Glad you are back! Congrats on 100% on plan. I don't have a plan yet. . .but I'm getting there.

RobinW--Very cool for talking to your daughter! Writing things down really helps me, and I hope it helps her, and I like the idea of focusing on the emotions and thinking, rather than on whether she loses weight.

wndranne--yay for the bouncing! I never went on one of those because I was too shy as a child, afraid of hurting myself, very anxious.

I tracked all my calories since I last wrote--credit. It's interesting how just knowing how many calories I'm eating is shifting my behavior. Nothing radical, but leaving a bit on my plate, contemplating if the calories are worth it etc.

I checked Beck's Think Thin For Life book out of the library, since I haven't read it. Looks good.

Got my new pedometer in the mail today--broke my old one and lost half of it somewhere in Ikea.

Been talking to dh about what I'm doing with the Beck stuff--I think he gets sad that if I watch my weight we won't do fun snacking together, but he's starting to get the idea about small changes, eating less, being strategic. He has been underweight most of his life, so it's hard for him to imagine needing to pay attention. . .

ChinaMaine
07-01-2009, 10:59 PM
I have felt great for almost a week. I’ve felt better than I’ve felt in 7 months, maybe even 3 or 4 years. I’m hopeful I’ve turned the corner on the thyroid issues – although only time will tell. :crossed:

NSV – I did 2 sets of ‘girly’ push-ups this AM. I’ve been doing push-ups almost every day for months now and haven’t been able to meet this goal before today. If I can keep it up, I’ll move onto more manly pushups soon. :D
:df: WI-down .5 lbs. Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op. Exercise – op. Fatigue 1.3 (1=Felt Great, 5=Extreme Fatigue).
Just a fly-by for tonight. Gnight everyone! :wave:

ChinaMaine
07-02-2009, 10:04 AM
Anne :yay: for not being obese anymore! :woohoo: for being able to ‘ jump and climb and slide with the best of them’! Credit for being op until dinner. Anything you can do to keep from being over-hungry at dinner? With all the distractions you must have at dinner (dd and dh), it’d probably be better if you weren’t over-hungry when you sit down. (just a thought :))

Thanks for the definition of intermediate goal – I’ve always called them mini-goals. I thought maybe it was something different than that.

Robin That’s a very touching story about your dd. It’s wonderful to hear about a warm, supportive relationship like that. And who knows, you acting as a role model in this process will probably help you a lot too. ;)

Beth Ouch for the computer! Mine went down 1 month ago and Robin’s did about 3 weeks ago. We seem to be unlucky in computing!

Credit for being op when things have been so crazy.

one by one Credit for calorie counting and, yes, cooking will be better for your waistline and your health. :yay: for having grad behind you!

maryblu Sorry you are still too sad to eat. :hug:

I agree that fluctuations in weight are absolutely normal and we need to have emotional distance from them. That is, stressing about it is non-productive. But most of us are on a diet to lose weight, so it’s not surprising that many folks are focused on their how their weight changes. Beck recommends daily weigh ins, and for me it’s been beneficial. It’s allowed me to actually develop the emotional distance to realize that daily fluctuations are absolutely normal. Because I graph it I can see my weight goes down over time, but not in a straight line.

The pattern I see in newbies is that they start out focused on each pound and that the focus shifts to other aspects of our road (exercise, etc) after a month or two.

Margaret Credit for tracking calories, and making small changes in response! How many steps do you normally walk a day?

I have a houseful of people arriving tomorrow Noon-ish, so I'll be in and out until Tuesday of next week. Have a great 4th everyone in the US! (And happy belated Canada Day to our Canadians!)

twilit tera
07-02-2009, 03:10 PM
I'm back.

I'm still not back on track. My buddy came over and brought the BDS with him, so when I get back home rereading is part of the plan.

I'm at Mom's house til Sunday. Alternating laying on my side on the sofa with sitting back in the recliner that sadly doesn't go back far enough. Current pain level is a 5 already. :(

On the brighter side, I've just successfully printed up all 4 of my decal designs and they look fantastic, I've put up a facebook page (after discovering the White House's facebook page) and made an update to my health reform website linking to information on HR 676.

:grouphug:

RobinW
07-02-2009, 09:45 PM
Evening!

Im so proud of my dd! We went grocery shopping, and I gave her some choices, and explained what would happen with some of the choices, and what would have to be eaten with other choices to balance out her emotions.

She made very smart and clear choices for a 12 yr old. She even wanted to know if she could come to the gym with me. So....we stopped in on the way home and asked. Unfortunately she has to be 14. She was a bit crushed, so I offered to do some pilates dvd's with her. She doesnt want to do anything that involves coordination. Her and I are too much alike for that kind of stuff :lol: But I think she'll like doing this with me. Next week we are off to buy a bike so her and I can go biking together.

Her biggest thing that she "knows" she needs to work on, is her sugar/crazy emotions and she wants to loose her belly. We went shopping for summer cloths today and she was quite upset that she had to buy xl juniors because that's what she needed to fit her belly.

She "gets it" all on her own, and is really eager to get it fixed. She even asked me to talk to her dad (which I hate doing) but she wants me to explain it all to him. So that when she is with him for "his turn" he can help her keep with the program, and not buy the "easy" stuff to feed her.

Im just so proud of her!!

I did good today (have to set a good example)

Have a great evening everyone!

Nuxmaga
07-02-2009, 10:15 PM
Tracked calories--credit. Got my 10,000 steps with the new pedometer--credit. Resisted the snacks at work--credit.

Ate out--that was a challenge. Vietnamese food, which is tasty, but wow, adding up the calories of what I chose. I need to beware of the word "crispy."

ChinaMarie--I aim for 10,000 steps on the days I don't have Zumba, and over 5,000 on the Zumba days. But if I don't consciously plan time to walk, it's really hard to get 10,000.

Twilit Tera--Glad you got your Beck book back. Credit for asking for your friend to return it. Sorry to hear about the back pain at your mom's. I used to lay on the floor if nothing else worked. I wonder if there's some way to temporarily import some piece of furniture that is more comfortable for you?

RobinW--That's great that your daughter is getting a listening and supportive ear from you. Good luck with the whole talking with Dad thing.

Have a great weekend everyone!

twilit tera
07-03-2009, 10:20 AM
Still at mom's. Pain creeped up to a 6 yesterday. I've found that by taking up the entire love seat I can lie on my left side and get more comfortable. I can't do much in that position, so I alternate. When people are over, I won't be able to do that, but when it's just me, mom, and Bruce, it works.

Robin: Yes, your daughter is really smart! She's got a smart mom, too!

Margaret: :yay: for your steps and calorie counting!

tammay
07-03-2009, 06:43 PM
Hello all,
Just wanted to pop in and say hello and that I'm going to start following Beck along with my diet plan tomorrow. I have the first book and read it a while back but never got down to really following the plan. Now I have a lot of changes (good ones) coming up and I feel this is the time to start getting at the heart of my issues with food and work on my relationship with food that moves beyond just going on one diet after another. I'm so glad that you all started this support thread! I am, unfortunately, quite isolated at this time - I work from home and live in a small town where social events and places mainly focus on family-oriented stuff (and I am single) and all of my friends have long moved on (I did my grad school studies here a few years ago). I am working now on my job and financial situation with the goal of moving out of here at the end of the year and going back to the city that I love and where I have a lot more support with my brother and his girlfriend and some friends in the area.

I'm still in the process of rereading Beck's first book but I've got a bunch of cards all ready to go and my menu plan for tomorrow and I'm going to keep up with doing the exercises she suggests daily. I'm a little scared but I know this will be worth it!

Tam

Nuxmaga
07-03-2009, 10:43 PM
Good Evening,

Food tracking--yay! Zumba and 9000+ steps, yay! Read more of Beck's second book--credit. I did eat sitting down, now that I think about it. Eating mindfully, not so much.

Resisting making my response cards. I may do this at glacial pace, but if I keep going forward that would be good.

Twilit Tera--Glad you found a configuration with the loveseat that is more comfortable.

Tammay--Welcome! I just joined a few weeks ago. I read Beck a couple years ago, and did some of the skills and drifted away, but this time it's sticking better. That's very cool you are planning to move to a city you love. Glad to have you join us.

Me Too
07-04-2009, 07:58 AM
I am thinking about joining the Beck Solution group.
Question about which book to get.
Can you tell me the difference between them?
I do have my general diet plan, just need some help getting started and to keep going.
Also I have been reading about cards. do I make my own?

maryblu
07-04-2009, 11:10 AM
You will of course get a better welcome once BillBE gets his $@#^@&%#@$ missed self back here. It sounded like such a long time that he would be gone, but of course since it is summer, it has FLOWN by. I just can't believe it.

Happy 4th of July to all.

Tammay, I can relate to almost all of your social situation except the desire to move to the city. That would be my # 1 most unwanted thing to do. I am so fortunate to be in the minority of those who would never want to live in one; am so glad most people do. I am just weird. Never did "get" Michael Jackson's appeal, either. Sorry he has passed, but never found the talent or entertainment that others did.

Seem to be able to relate to all the "diet", losing weight issues, though. That is why Beck is the tool for me (book #1, Me, Too, though I think most on here are using #2, or have both). It is simply that, a tool for behavior that leads to a different mindset about food.

At the annual lake assn. meeting last week, there were brats and Sloppy Joes, neither of which appeal to me, so had a bit of the sides. The sweet pushers came table to table at least 3 times. I was sitting next to a WW facilitator whom I know and love very much. Neither of us where interested and declined all treats, but then we started talking about how the **** we all got so fat in the first place. She never had to lose as much as I did, but is very short, so struggled with those 30#s; it was a lot for her. Our conclusion was, to get really fat..and I topped out at 220#s at 5 feet 7 and a half inches, you have to be mindless, heedless, ALL OF THE TIME. You just have to have blinders on all the time to be consuming enough food and calories to maintain a weight that much over the top. And since I was that heavy, I was also very averse to anything remotely akin exercise. The good news:

Beck tools, any tools, any time you avoid mindless eating, eat a little less, move a little more, any time..any time helps. And remember how much you are strengthening your resistance muscle.

Thanks to all of you for your supporting thoughts, and you SO have me pegged. Yes, the loons are my joy, gardening is the best therapy in the world (wish health insurance would pay for my plant habit; it would be cheaper than a shrink!) and I am reconnecting with cherished friends I should not have lost track of in the first place. Sad or not, I am back to that place of being slightly hungry most of the time and just eating a little bit every few hours, and that *is what works for me.

Let's hold onto summer.

onebyone
07-04-2009, 12:34 PM
Good :brr: Morning Coaches

It's cold out there today. Definitely NOT July weather which should be more like this :beach: Oh well. It's still Saturday. And a Happy 4th of July to all my American coaches!

Have fun today!

My food is getting better but it's still not great but it's better.
Yesterday was DH's birthday and he didn't want to do anything so I made him a nice dinner and a dessert. By last night I was feeling kind of yucky so I went to bed early and slept late.

I'm freaking out a bit over the next two weeks ahead of me. This is a reg week so I can get stuff outside of working in the ceramic room done but the next week I am working all week as a children's technician at the art school on the other side of town plus having DH's sister and husband over during the week as we all go out to a concert and then I still have to get my ceramic work done at the school downtown and we go out the night before my big art in the park event which means I am up super early the day of the show marking out 10x10 spots in the park where the show will be. So what this really means is I have A LOT to accomplish this week. And when pressured like this I just stop. I can hardly get going this morning. Pretty much after the art in the park show on the 18th I can go back to my regular normal schedule and then the first week of August I spend a month of full time+ weeks as a children's technician and a ceramic technician at the school so I am superbusy... but I'll come out of it with some money and this is the point.

Oh well. It's all good but I am tired all ready and when tired I eat very poorly. It's a major trigger like I have "earned" eating whatever and this body needs good food not crap food. So I have a major challenge ahead of me.

maryblu Beck tools, any tools, any time you avoid mindless eating, eat a little less, move a little more, any time..any time helps. And remember how much you are strengthening your resistance muscle.
This is where I am at maryblu. I am far from perfect but I am 60% OP. I was, oh 2% OP? My desire to be OP is growing as well and it all starts there. Glad you're enjoying the summer :)

Me Too :welcome2: to the group. I am thinking about joining the Beck Solution group. Question about which book to get.
Can you tell me the difference between them?
I do have my general diet plan, just need some help getting started and to keep going. Also I have been reading about cards. do I make my own? It seems the major difference is that in the newer book she gives you a foodplan to follow (if you want to). I only have the workbook so I can't give you that much info others here can and I am sure will. Although it also seems there are additional exercises inthe new book vs. the old one but that's what I am getting from following this book. As for the cards yes you definitely make your own to suit you and your own challenges and your own life and motivations.

Nuxmaga Kudos for all the steps and Zumba and eating sitting down and reading. That's all good work. I'm completely resistant about the cards right now but so long as I tackle it at a glacial pace it will get done for me and you. Thanks for posting.

tammay :welcome: I am, unfortunately, quite isolated at this time I just wanted to let you know you're not alone. We are out here and glad you found us! And yeah, all the effort is worth it... keep doing waht you can day after day and eventually things will change.

twilit tera Sorry to keep reading of your rising pain levels. I hope your mom is doing okay. Congrats for getting your Beck book back :D

RobinW Good follow-through with your DD over the food choices at the grocery store. It seems your own support system just got a bit stronger eh? That's great.

ChinaMaine Kudos for the pushup victory! you're stronger and that's great! Also extended kudos for the weight loss and the feeling great. Nice.

Greenville Beth
07-04-2009, 01:07 PM
Happy 4th of July!

I'm doing well. I just got back from my bike ride. I'm up to 45 minutes. When I hit an hour, I will start working on distance. I'm finally down on the scale again. It had been going up and down the same pound for about 11 days. I've finally made my second 5 lb goal. I'm actually down 11 lbs. Credit me! I'm happy I didn't let the scale get the best of me and kick me off plan. Yesterday, I heard myself say, in my head, "I don't care." I immediately said, "Yes I do, now move on." The 'I don't care' line has always been my excuse to go off plan. I think, I'm beating that monster. I do love the Beck plan. With it, I am changing my life.

I'm going to spend a nice afternoon with my folks for the 4th. We have a nice dinner planned. Saturday is my higher calorie day, so it works out well. I've got to do some calorie planning before we eat to stay within my limits.

I've been 100% on plan which I'm happy about. I'm also going tomorrow to buy a couple of new work pants. The ones I have are getting way too big. Now that's always exciting.

Until later,

Beth

Me Too
07-04-2009, 03:36 PM
I ordered the first book on Amazon, so I will be joining all of you when I get the book. In the mean time I will be looking online for all the info I can find.

Nuxmaga
07-04-2009, 10:32 PM
14,000+ steps :) Tracking food:) 90% of my eating was slower:) Does anyone else feel anxious when they first tried slowing down eating? I get some thoughts that Beck would call "sabotaging" like "If I eat too slowly, I'll get full before the food is gone, and then I will be deprived and feel bad." Or, "What if I don't enjoy this food if I go slowly?"

A challenging encounter with an item in the freezer that I'd managed to forget about until I cleaned it out today, and I ate it, standing up, and quickly. I was doing the "I don't care, I'm just going eat this, or I'll keep thinking of it, and be totally distracted."

Greenville Beth--that is so cool that you countered the "I don't care" thought, and moved on. What a useful skill!!! Kudos for riding your bike!

OnebyOne--Glad to hear that we'll get there, glacial pace and all. . .60% on plan sounds pretty fabulous! When I get stressed, in the past I would stop completely, just like you mentioned. I had a fundamental sense of being flawed, and no real satisfaction from getting stuff done, because if it wasn't "perfect" then I was worthless. It sounds like you are to something with identifying that thought about "earning the right to eat whatever"--I would say that you have the right to take care of yourself, and be good to your body, and to your spirit.

MaryBlu--I'm glad you are gardening and reconnecting with friends. I've been thinking a lot about mindless eating this week--tracking my calories has been quite a revelation as to how little things can really make a difference in the total, and the phrase "watching what I eat" has taken on a whole new resonance.

Me Too--Welcome! I read the first book, and now just started the 2nd. She covers the same principles in the 2nd one, but gives more practical advice. It's helpful, but the 1st book has all the essentials--I'm glad you ordered it!

AnneWonders
07-04-2009, 10:46 PM
:wave: Four hours on the bike today. I'm wiped!

Anne

RobinW
07-05-2009, 10:26 AM
Good Morning :sunny:

Things are going great over here in Buffalo! Im down the 6lbs I was up. My daughter is getting the hang of eating 3 meals a day with no snacks. She and I are loving her new level moods!!!! Can I confess that she had turned into a some evil little biatch that swung from extreme highs to extreme lows several times a day? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Even she admits she likes the way she feels sooooooo much better. Thank goodness!

Im going to restart the beck workbook in a couple days, so that both her and I can work on it together. I think the response cards will be a huge help for her.

Ok...as for me, Im feeling better and looking better. I'm going to get back to the gym next week. :lift: I have a chiro appt tomorrow morning, and I think I'll do another massage next week sometime too.

Things are coming together nicely, and everyone is feeling great! The shop is busy, and Buffalo seems to be this weird little entity that isnt being very badly effected by the economy. Things are actually starting to buzz again. Even the Ford plant is keeping it together.

Have a great sunday everyone!

twilit tera
07-05-2009, 10:32 AM
hello, all! This afternoon we get to go home. It should be a nice, relatively quiet week.

Greetings to our new people! Hope you had a happy 4th to those who are in the US!

Food's been terrible. Pain high. about all i can say for myself is that i haven't let physical therapy go completely to the wayside.

more later

Nuxmaga
07-05-2009, 09:35 PM
Weighed myself and was down a pound--yay! Went to a ballgame, and got 17,000+ steps. Tracked food. Ate mindfully. But ate a lot! Eating out really sends the numbers soaring right now. Read more of Beck's 2nd book.

:wave: Twilit Tera. Credit for doing physical therapy! Any success is a good thing--being stressed and having eating and pain go awry means every incremental step in the right direction is even more a victory.

Greenville Beth
07-05-2009, 09:53 PM
Hello, All.

It's been a pretty good day. I thought it was going to rain, so I didn't ride my bike. Excuses, excuses. Credit, I suppose for owning that.

I did go shoping. I tried on a bunch of pants and bought two pairs. I didn't want to get too many considering they will be too big, hopefully, in a couple of months. The exciting thing was I was trying on 18W's and they fit, which means I've gone down two sizes. I just wasn't happy with any of them, so I went to another store. They didn't have any 18W's but did have a couple of normal 18's. I figured, I wouldn't even be able to get then on, but I did and they fit. Woo hoo. So, I bought them.

Smaller sizes are always exciting. :D

Margaret - Looks like you had a good day. Yeah on the pound down. :)

Tera - I hope you have a relaxing week and your pain decreases. I hope your mother is doing well.

Robin - I think it's great that you're working on this with your daughter. My mother has seen the change in me and is now working through the Beck steps.

Anne - You're a bike riding machine. Give me a few months...or six...or eight...and I'll catch up to you! :D

Me To - Welcome. I'm sure you will love the Beck book. I have the first one and it has really made a difference for me.

RobinW
07-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Good Afternoon!

:welcome3: MeToo!

Things are going pretty good. Snuck some unplanned chocolate in last night. Seems to be corolating with a few other things. Stress etc. But I didnt let it get any further than that.

The plan this week is to go bike shopping! Dd doesnt like to walk, but I can entice her to bike for miles. What ever works right?! For both of us! Because she hasnt wanted to walk, I havent either....not good.

Have a great day everyone!!

onebyone
07-06-2009, 02:16 PM
Good Afternoon Coaches

Credit to me for checking out the weight room and the pool in our building complex one more time. Seems the weight room is much improved over the last time I saw it;I think that's been a few years now. It's moved to a room 3x the size and it's spacious and it looks underused! yay. All good signs to me. Membership to the weightroom is $70 for 6 months. This is extremely reasonable, and the pool is free for tenants. I just have to find my lease to prove residency and I am good to go. I'm going to look for it when I finish this email. Credit moi for following through on this and then walking home the long way to get some exercise in. I'm ready to get serious about weightloss now. I am ready to move my body and burn the calories and build the muscle. I am just ready. I have the book the New Rules of Lifting for Women and I am anxious to try it out. I think I need to check in with my Dr. before I start though...still having weird muscle stuff in my thighs. I guess I really do have to go get it checked out. *deep breath*

So that's how I am. Everything is happening that's supposed to be happening. I did wake up a complete basketcase at 4:30am, and I did sob a little at feeling overwhelmed, but hey, that's 4:30am. Lots of changes afoot.

Greenville Beth Kudos for doing the work to be two sizes down! Awesome. And for all your bike riding and being on plan... keep it up!

Me Too You're going to love the book. Very eye opening and very helpful... glad you'll be joining us :)

Nuxmaga Credit for identifying sabotaging thoughts and for eating slower inspite of them. It always surprises me when these thoughts show themselves. And yes, I am trying to counter the negative thoughts when trying to be healthy and talking myself out of it with the idea that I am happier if I am healthier. I sure know my physical self feels better when lighter...even 10lbs is a big difference at this high weight I am carrying right now. Kudos for being down a pound!

wndranne 4 hours? Wow. You must have some kind of good bike seat! Mucho kudos for your ride.

RobinW I may look into that massage thing too. I have never had one and I know until lately you didn't either. I just found my workbook too. Maybe I'll restart when you guys do too and really do it all again.
Kudos for things going well!

twilit tera Kudos for getting through this last bit and not throwing everything by the wayside. Credit for continuing to post here as well. I hope you're home and enjoying your chair again.

billblueyes, maryblu, tammay, China Maine :wave:

eusebius
07-06-2009, 02:50 PM
Hi everyone. Some of you may remember me from quite a while ago. Anyhow, I am here to renew my weight loss efforts and to enlist your support in following the Beck Diet Solution plan day-by-day once again.
Today is Day 6 and so I am here to share support and encouragement with you, the best diet coach team on the internet!

This time I am doing things just as the Dr. ordered and not starting my diet until Day 15. I think it is already making a big difference to focus on the Beck habits without also worrying about readjusting to the WW points system.

Looking forward to meeting all the newbies and reacquainting myself with the team veterans!

cheers
Erika

Nuxmaga
07-06-2009, 09:39 PM
I'm having one of those "whatever I did right doesn't count because I ate several unplanned foods while feeling stressed"--but here I go:
--Zumba
--Tracked food
--Resisted snacks at work
--Measured out my dinner entree
--Went into drugstore, looked at all the junk food, but left without buying any

I've been reading Beck's discussion of how eating to soothe yourself actually makes you feel worse. She sounds like a very faint and distant voice in the middle of my "I'm upset. I'm anxious. I'm angry. And I want to eat." :(

Will do personals tomorrow.

maryblu
07-06-2009, 09:53 PM
I certainly do remember you, Erika, and welcome back. I love it when old Beck buddies come back. I really do.

Yanno, we all may as well figure out time is gonna march by whether we work to improve our lives, our health, etc. or not..So we may as well chose to work on it, right?

Beck has a great set of tools. We just need to use them. I am so impressed at the different ways we have found to do so and to support each other.

Looking forward to a post from BillBE tomorrow!

AnneWonders
07-06-2009, 11:02 PM
Coaches/Buddies I'm sort of tired of all the whining and making of excuses I've been doing. I made the Memory Cards I was supposed to make a week ago. I read my Response Cards. I identified a major problem that I've been using the stepped up training as an excuse to eat off plan. I wrote out my plan for tomorrow. I have BDS with me as I watch the Tour de France.

Back tomorrow with personals and check in.

Anne

BillBlueEyes
07-07-2009, 06:16 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Such a joy catching up and letting each of you back into a space in my brain. Thanks for all the well wishes for my vacation.

Eating was only so-so over three weeks of banquet tables of only-on-this-trip-in-your-lifetime foods, with little regret. Exercise mixed as was outdoors busy but nothing formal. Scale says no weight gain so the goal is to get back onto my plan for eating and exercise. CREDIT moi for a peanut butter sandwich for lunch yesterday when we got home – the only food I missed during the three weeks.

Vacation Vignette (1): We woke up at 3:30am last Thursday to begin our climb to the base camp on the North Face of Mount Qomolangma (named Mount Everest by the British) - just like real climbers. The first four hours were by 4WD Land Rover over a rough dirt road with a driver and a guide. We then trekked the final 4km along the glacial bed to the best viewing spot. A roaring stream of glacial melt served as a constant reminder of the power we were facing. The hike was easy enough except for the elevation of some 17000 feet and being a bit steep. Used trekking poles, Gore-tex jackets, wool base layer, and winter gloves. Was glad that we’d spent two weeks allowing our bodies to get adjusted to the altitude since only 50% of the oxygen available at sea level is available up there.

The mountain is sacred. The Tibetans have placed zillions of prayer flags, each imprinted with words of Buddha so that the wind blowing the flag becomes the equivalent of saying a prayer. It was a deeply moving spiritual experience to see the mountain in person that has been in my brain since I was a child as a place of great significance beyond even dreaming of seeing in person.

Spent the morning staring in awe and respect as the clouds drifted over the face covered by its permanent snow cap. We were close to the foot of the glacier. The North Face in T I B E T (T.) is well known for the view, climbing to the top is often done from the other side in Nepal starting in Kathmandu.

Ate our lunch in a Tibetan tent, oddly dark, but welcome warm and out of the wind. Served yak butter tea which became a favorite during the trip through T along with noodles with yak meat. The high fat content of yak butter helps supply energy at these high altitudes.

Slept 10 hours straight when we got back to the hotel – the first time in years to sleep that long.


maryblu - Ouch for the real life sad; sending supportive thoughts for dealing with that.

Congrats to your state for concluding the November election. As I recall, either you or your son was going to be happy with the result; hope you can live with knowing that you've got two votes in the pot now.


onebyone – Congrats for being a diploma carrying graduate and Congrats on the drivers license. Ouch for the feelings that viewing photos brings on.

Kudos for your new start on exercise via the facilities at your place. And Kudos for some fiscally responsible decisions.


Robin (RobinW) – Yeah for bike shopping; biking seems to be contagious on this board.

I’m moved by your story of talks with your DD; hope that continues well for both of you.


Anne (wndranne) – Thanks for getting us started in July – was warmly reassuring to easily find the new thread and the old crowd posting.

Ouch for your bike crash; Kudos for putting in four hours riding it. I need a more thorough read to know why those two thoughts are not a contradiction.

Good luck finding your balance between the increased need for food due to your amazing energy output verses the need to avoid recreational eating.


Tera (twilit tera) - Sending supportive thoughts for your mother's recovery.

Congrats for being in your new apartment. Kudos for seeing that as a possibility and following through with the lease and moving.



ChinaMaine - Congrats on the new place feeling better; Yep, I hope that's a new plateau not a spike.

And Kudos for the push-ups; either style is good.


Beth (Greenville Beth) – Congrats on your new bike and Congrats for the clothes shopping – both great signs of commitment to your plans.

Margaret (Nuxmaga) – Kudos for ” Went into drugstore, looked at all the junk food, but left without buying any.” I recognize that staring at food thing; for me it’s like the fourteen year old in me gawking at the pictures in Playboy.

Great summary of the eternal delima:
"I'm upset. I'm anxious. I'm angry. And I want to eat."


Erika (eusebius) – Needed you over the three weeks to help me sort out the Buddhist Monasteries, temples, and stupas. The T version of Buddhism is complex; imported from India then enhanced. My mind boggles with Present Buddha, Past Buddha, and Future Buddha, not to mention all the Dali Lamas.

Kudos for getting back on your Beck plan. Hope that you keep us up to date as you go thru the days; got lots of people starting new and lots of us in need of remembering.


Karen (Me Too) – Kudos for ordering the Beck book and by starting out with a post. Yep, there’s lots of good stuff to read on the web, this thread included. (I’ll give you a neat welcome post when I "$@#^@&%#@$" remember how to do that.)

Tam (tammay) - Kudos for getting serious with your Beck Diet Solution. It's good to have several posters starting at once.

Everyone I missed - Waving; will be catching up here for a while.

Readers - Any reasonable diet will work for you if you have the right mindset.

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 19

onebyone
07-07-2009, 09:38 AM
Good Morning Coaches

Credit to the scale reflecting my body releasing 1lb this morning.
Credit to tracking my food.

It's cold and rainy here again this morning. This summer is like perpetual Fall punctuated by HOT days and then back to Fall. Oh well. I still get to go out without a jacket and I can't see my breath: two important markers that say "summer" to me.

Today is movie day. We're going to see Year One. We may be resurrecting our Rotten Movies blog once we've seen that one! I admit though that I like a good bad movie...so long as it's not boring I am happy.

Today I am working on a wholesale order I got a few weeks ago. I need to get that done and out along with a request for a painting that is already 1/2 done but I haven't touched in weeks. I have another art show opening Thursday but set up is Thursday afternoon so that's okay and then I have to gallery sit on Friday for a few hours and then go back to take my work down on Sunday. Short but sweet and another line on my artist resume. Details for the Urban Art Show I am organizing are falling into place and I even have an email interview to do with a reporter for a community paper who wants to know about me as an artist and me as an art show organizer--so it promotes me and my show. Awesome.

billblueeyes :welcome: back!
So you were on Everest. Wow. Yak butter tea. Wow. Your description of the prayer flags fluttering in the wind reminded me of the aboriginal cultures who send prayers up in smoke and I suppose is even like the incense burned at a Catholic ceremony too -- all messages for the Unmoved Mover to bring Aristotle into this too--and why not? Thanks for the vignette--and since it's numbered "1" I am now looking forward to "2". KUDOS btw for keeping in good shape to actually be and hike up on Everest 4km. It ain't sissy stuff.

wndranne
I feel you getting fed up with yourself. In the end, that's what always moves me too. Kudos for turning to Beck tools to get back on track.

maryblu I totally agree that the time will go by anyway. My 3 years at art school were here and now gone! I am an alumni for Pete's sake. I was talking to my friend who found herself at an all time high weight of 190 at her daughter's grade school grad with her ex and his new "pretty young thin thing" openly gawking at her (she said) and she decided "I have 5 years to the next grad. I will not be this weight then". Again the time will pass, why not try?

Nuxmaga Wow I read your list of the things you did. It really dwarfs the very short list of things your didn't do. We are not black and white and not perfect. Just edge a bit more on the "doing the right thing" side of the equation with consistency day after day and we will move forward toward our goals. You are doing just that. Kudos.

eusebius Nice to see you again. I certainly do remember you. Oh now I am remembering the... what was the name of the mythical creature! Oooo. Was that you? Nevermind. If it isn't you'll think I'm nuts:dizzy: I think it is very important to do the first two weeks as well as we can. I am also getting ready to do them over. Welcome back.


:wave: to everyone reading this including those :s: lurkers.

RobinW
07-07-2009, 09:54 AM
Welcome back Bill!! Sounds like an awesome trip you took!!

ChinaMaine
07-07-2009, 02:03 PM
We had 9 people over for the weekend. We had 5 adults and 4 children including a family of 4 visiting from Prague. Everyone spoke fantastic English so there was no language barrier. We had great weather (mid-70s and sunny most of the time). We canoed, kayaked, had bonfires, talked, laughed and generally had a great time. :sunny:

Yesterday we went down to Portland for a boat ride. A working lobsterman (‘Captain Tom’) has a small commercial boat (holds 20-25 people or so) and runs educational cruises in Casco Bay. It’s great for kids – they get to help with all aspects of lobstering, learn about lobsters themselves, the rules and regs that the lobstermen need to follow, etc. And it was just a lovely day to be out on the water.

One of the nice things about folks visiting us is that I can control the cooking, so almost everything was healthy and low-fat. Credit! I exercised every day, and it usually met or exceeded the exercise I would do nornally. Credit! I did eat too many chips on 2 days. (oh well) and drank a bit more than I planned on 2 days (oh well again). But I didn’t go completely overboard, so I’m pleased overall with the visit from diet perspective. I’m sure I’ve gained some weight, but all but a pound or so should be water and disappear pretty quickly. I’ll weigh in tomorrow and have an update then.

My energy level was great throughout the trip too, I’m still very upbeat about my thyroid. Today I’m tired, but it’s just typical post-entertaining lethargy I think. :)

I’ll follow up with personals later today, but first I have to say
:welcome3: Welcome back Bill!! :welcome3:

– Now I’m off to take a nap!

eusebius
07-07-2009, 08:32 PM
Hi there Coaches/Buddies,

Day 7 today - Arrange Your Environment. Alas, I'm away from home for the next week, so I'll have to postpone this step until I get back. It's been a rough day. I didn't get enough sleep and was munching fairly mercilessly (on LF popcorn, thank goodness) in the evening. I did manage to eat slowly and mindfully for the rest of the day, however ... credit for that.

How great to be conversing with all of you again!!

Nuxmaga - Great job on zumba and your good food habits. The upset and anxious feelings Beck describes are the main nemeses I've been fighting all these years. I know that my main task is to stay with them and open the door to them ... invite them to tea, as Tara Brach says ... not try to resist and fight them off by eating. If I can do this I know I will be successful. Easier said than done, but I will try.

maryblu - Absolutely right. I turned 40 this year and time continues to march. Thanks for the encouraging words!

wndranne - It sounds like we are going through a similar process of renewal with BDS. Well done on identifying your problems and planning to address them ... that is so key.

BillBE - What a pleasure to hear from you again and to enjoy your wonderful vacation vignette - I hope it is the first of many! Can you see me turning green with envy hearing about your fantastic trip to Tibet? Not sure how much I could have helped you sorting out Tibetan Buddhism... I am guessing you know much more about it than I do now! I did sign up for a Shambhala workshop in Toronto in Sept though.

onebyone - Congrats on the 1 lb!! How was Year One? D'oh I can't remember the mythical creature either. Oh wait - I went back and did a search on my own posts and now I remember - the Yeti Matadors (that's us!!)
(Say Bill, did you catch a glimpse of any yetis up there in the Himalayas?)

ChinaMaine - Kudos on your healthy cooking and exercise!! Sounds like you had a wonderful weekend. I love Maine and have visited quite a few times (lived in New Brunswick as a teenager and young adult). Whereabouts are you located?

Have a great night all!
Erika

maryblu
07-07-2009, 08:42 PM
Thanks for letting us live vicariously through you. The description of your journey was marvelous.

And yes, Mr. Bill, we FINALLY have 2 senators from our great state. You and I are the only two people on the planet still paying attention and it happened while you were not only out of TOWN, but out of the COUNTRY. Your memory is correct that DS did not vote as I did, but he opted for the third party none of the above vote, so he has been pretty ambivalent about the outcome.

Despite the fact that we will never know, never, ever know who really won, despite how this episode pointed to the need for election procedural reform in our state, and regardless of which side you were on, or even which side you were contributing money to to keep fighting, despite all of that....

I keep hearing this sweet, soft chuckle coming down from above. This was after all, Paul Wellstone's seat.

Nuxmaga
07-07-2009, 09:24 PM
Did some writing about my stressful situation at work, veered into some snacking but kept moving. I did my lunchtime walk, which as I've mentioned is a challenge. I was worrying about buying a snack, but finally decided to leave without any money in my pocket. Tracked calories. Planned what I will eat tomorrow when I go out to lunch.

Eusebius--Rumi has a great poem about inviting all the anxious thoughts in. My mode of coping is to flee all my emotions, so I've been practicing watching them, letting them be there, but boy, it is a challenge. Maybe you could arrange your environment even though you are away from home--like the last dinner meeting potluck I was at, I sat as far away from the food as possible.

ChinaMaine--Credit for cooking! Cooking does indeed give more control. And exercising everyday even with company is very cool.

Onebyone--I'm impressed with all you are doing with your art. I am getting ready for a big fine craft show, and I'm getting some anticipatory anxiety. Congrats on the pound lost and tracking your food. Thank you for the encouragement about doing more right things than wrong--that's helpful.

Bill Blue Eyes--Welcome back!! What a wonderful trip--and credit for being present and enjoying it. You made me laugh with the analogy to my standing in the drugstore looking at the junkfood to a 14 year old staring at Playboy. . .

wndranne--I just read about the Memory cards in Beck's 2nd book--still feel resistant to doing it, so kudos for getting them done!

Greenville Beth--Congrats on pants shopping--I always had problems getting pants to fit, no matter my weight.

RobinW--Good luck with bike shopping--that's a great idea!

twilit tera--how are you doing? Take care of yourself!

MaryBlu--:wave:

Greenville Beth
07-07-2009, 10:25 PM
Not much really going on in my world. Still on plan, credit. Still working at fitting in exercise. Still, ever so slowly losing weight. I did have a good day as two gallerys contacted me about having shows, so that's exciting.

I'm not sure what to do about the exercise. I don't want to get up an hour earlier. I'm not a morning person and would hate it and not do it. On the other hand, by the time I get home at 6:30, I don't really want to get my bike on the car and go to ride. It would be 8:00 or so before I got home. The weekends aren't an issue. I'm just going to have to put on my big girl panties and do it at one end of the day or the other. ;)

Speaking of exciting...the Tour is on and Lance is 1 second from being in the yellow jersey. Life just doesn't get better than that. :carrot: I'm not sure if I've mentioned this or not, and I know he doesn't know, but Lance is my future husband. I plan on casually bumping into him some day in the South of France. :D

I think I am in the dog days of weight loss. In the rut, which is great, of moving forward, but the excitment of losing is gone as the loss slows down. If you know what I mean? I guess, it's not a bad place to be.

Margaret - Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Planning for the next day has really helped me. I stick to my plan. It gives me no choice.

Maryblu - Hope you're doing well. :)

Erika - Welcome back. I agree with what someone else said. Going through the first couple of weeks day by day is truly important. For me, it really did set down the ground work.

ChinaMaine - Sounds like you had a great time with your company. I hope your energy levels stay high. :)

Onebyone - Great job on the 1 lb down! :carrot: I've been dealing with the scale going up and down the same 1 lb to 1 1/2 lbs. It's a pain but still seems to be going in the right direction.

BillBE - Welcome back! Your trip sounds wonderful. When I was in Korea, I went to couple working Buddist Monasteries. I really enjoyed watching / listening to them ring (bang?) the bells and drums at sundown. Major credit on the scale not going up after your vacation. I've found that even though I've eaten more on vacation, if there is a lot of walking for sightseeing and such, I tend to stay the same or lose a couple of pounds.

Anne - Sounds like you're heading in the right direction. I have no doubt you'll get the eating / exercise balance worked out. Go Tour! :D

Tera - :wave:

All best, Beth

BillBlueEyes
07-08-2009, 03:45 AM
:welcome: Karen (Me Too) :welcome:

And, in case you didn't get one of these when you joined almost 5 months ago, :wel3fc:

How did you find out about the Beck books?

How did you find out about this thread on 3 FC?

BillBlueEyes
07-08-2009, 05:05 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Thanks everyone for the gracious welcome back.

Made it to the supermarket to pick up fresh fruits for breakfast; CREDIT moi. Remembered that I missed blueberries, peaches, bananas, and strawberries for breakfast.

Went to a Red Sox game at Fenway Park rather than the gym; Oh Well. Tickets were, of course, purchased months ago.

Vacation Vignette (2): Toured the Jokhang in Lhasa, the most sacred temple in T, built in the 7th Century. Now that's old!!!

Afterwords we walked around it clockwise, along with hundreds of pilgrims many of them twirling their prayer wheels (clockwise of course). The prayer wheels contain writings from the Buddha so that spinning them counts as reading.

The marketplace surrounding this lively area is called the Barkor Bazaar where we encountered the sellers of trinkets to the tourists and sacred artifacts to the pilgrims. "Real jade" for $2 is a clue that you've found a genuine trinket as is "real coral" and "real amber". The "amber" always contained a whole insect; in one was a whole butterfly. Bargaining is expected. The first price can be five times the going price.

In the jostling, I bumped a Tibetan woman so I turned to politely acknowledge saying "Sorry" to which she stuck her tongue out at me!!! Fortunately, I'd read my guide book; I was being given the traditional Tibetan greeting. One of the rare times we saw that.


maryblu - Neat that you made me go Wiki on Paul Wellstone. I remember now the tragic plane crash that took him and his wife.

How goes your garden? We returned after three weeks to find much good stuff bolted and the others in need of weeding. This gardening is not compatible with neglect.


onebyone – Kudos for tracking your food; Congrats that your scale has you down a pound.

And Congrats on all the business that's keeping you busy. How are the weekend art sales? Are you still doing those?


Robin (RobinW) – Glad that Buffalo is riding out the economic doldrums.

Anne (wndranne) – Waving. Your posts sound like you're working hard to get it all done at once. Kudos that you're doing such a good job on Memory Cards; that's still on my gotta-do-that list.

Tera (twilit tera) - Waving. Hope all is going well with your mother and your current busy schedule.

ChinaMaine - Yeah that your energy level remains up! And Kudos for constructing good meals for your company; that's such a positive step forward rather than thinking that you had to prepare bad food because people might expect that.


Beth (Greenville Beth) – Yep, I know that loss of excitement when the scale isn't moving down weekly; Kudos for recognizing that and facing it. Maintenance requires a different metric. Upping my signature monthly that I'm still here just doesn't have the adrenalin as did watching the numbers drop.

Good luck finding a way to your exercise. That's a tough problem to solve with long working hours.

Korea remains on my list of neat places to see - but it's a long list, LOL.


Margaret (Nuxmaga) – Kudos for taking your walk without money in your pocket for a snack; that's a neat Cognitive Therapy solution.

Erika (eusebius) – Kudos for "eating slowly and mindfully'" good luck in getting the munchies under control. I need a little help there myself. Many snacks were passed about on our bus as we traveled, often when it had been a while since last eating; moderation frequently failed me.

Nope, didn't see any yeti, although I thought about it before leaving. No mention of them anywhere in the mountains. Perhaps it's just an Americas thing.


Karen (Me Too) – You asked about the two books; a good comparison of the two Beck books is possible by the neat reviews provided by Anne (wndranne) in the Maintenance Library thread: The Beck Diet Solution (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/maintenance-library/157214-beck-diet-solution.html) and The Complete Beck Diet for Life (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/maintenance-library/160386-complete-beck-diet-life.html).

Starting with the first book is just fine; you'll be working forward with several others on this thread.


Readers - Cognitive Therapy helps you identify your sabotaging thinking and effectively espond to it, so you can feel better and can behave in helpful ways.

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 20

Me Too
07-08-2009, 09:18 AM
Thank you for the warm welcome and all the info. very informative post on Beck, I like the statement that it is not a cure all for all my health and weight issues, but that it will help me stick to my diet, that's all I could every home to achieve anyway.
Thanks for you all being here, I have enjoyed reading all the posts.

onebyone
07-08-2009, 05:16 PM
Hi everyone:

So I did it. Credit moi I went to the dr. about the pain/numbness in my leg and it turns out I have meralgia paresthetica. It's a compression of a nerve with very specific symptoms that I have a textbook case of.
Cause? um. weight gain. Hello? Cure? weight loss.

So add that to the other reasons to lose this weight. I did confirm with the good doctor that it is okay for me to bike ride, swim and lift weights, all activites I am set to do in the near future at my local pool and weightroom down the street that I think I will bike to. He told me to go for it, so all clear.

I wish I could say this was a big "wakeup call" but it seems to just be more of the same since I saw the grad photos and watched the scale climb. I have to say I am disconnected from whatever size I am. I honestly cannot visualize my size. I just know my clothes sizes have gone up and up ever since I was "going to lose weight for the grad".

But that's the past.

So credit moi for facing things as much as I can.

On other fronts I got an email from the city councillor who represents the ward that our Art in The Park event is happening in. She's going to come and participate in our mural painting event! I wish I knew how to really capitalize on this turn of events promotion or press wise. I still have three press releases to send out and I will mention her attendance at the event but I wish there was more I could do to drum up attention. As it stands this is great though. We're getting noticed.

Better go. Listen to this: I signed up for a summer ceramics class today. I get 1/2 off as a staff member and the teacher, Leta, won't be teaching this fall or winter so if I want to study under her this is the only time I can do that. So I'm doing that. I am busy up-to-here but Leta is a real Teacher. I have heard non-stop raves about her style, knowledge, approach and everything so I am ready to learn. I am hoping to make 1) garden ornaments including Sasquatch (Yeti perhaps?!), modern gnomes, and/or robots and 2) cups on the throwing wheel. I can't throw much so it's be good to make cups. I love cups.

That's it. Better go download and print a sasquatch for reference before I am off to the bus in 20 min. Thanks for being here Becksters.

ChinaMaine
07-08-2009, 07:15 PM
I had a rude awakening this weekend. ;) I have been feeling absolutely skinny lately. And even though I knew I am overweight, bordering on obese, I felt like I was a wisp. :shrug: Video cameras were everywhere over the weekend so I saw the reality of my actual size. Yes, I have lost 30 lbs but I am no wisp. :lol: I am going to buy an inexpensive full length mirror so I can actually see my entire body every day. I think knowing what I actually look like will be helpful to me in the long run.

:df: WI-up 2.25 lbs from my last low. Read my cards, sort of made a plan. Food – op (in terms of exercise). Exercise – op. Well I wanted to get on the elliptical as an extra today, but I’m too tired. I’ll do it tomorrow. But beyond that I did my usual 45 minutes.

Tera :hug: I’m sorry for the pain, but credit for keeping up on PT, even partially. I hope you are now home and your Mom is feeling better. :)

Robin It sounds like things are going great for you and DD. :yay: Down 6 lbs (you), good moods (DD), and healthy eating (both). How’s the biking coming? Don’t worry about the chocolates – credit for nipping it in the bud!!

maryblu I’m glad you’re feeling a bit less sad, and a bit more hungry. It’s nice you’ve been hooking up with old friends. :)

Beth :yay: for pushing past that ‘sticky’ 1 lb. to a new low! Credit for the bike rides and sticking on plan when the adolescent fat chick came to visit (‘I don’t care!’) I hope you had a great 4th with your folks. I hope you are enjoying your new, smaller, pants!

Anne 4 hours on the bike – credit! But it makes me so tired! ;) Credit for recognizing you use exercise to eat off plan. Addressing that is bound to make a difference!

Bill It’s so nice to have you back. I think you brought a bunch of newbies back with you! It certainly has been a hopping weekend on the thread. :D

Your vacation sounds so lovely. Tibet!! Does T=Tibet? I love the stories - Yak meat and Yak butter. Hiking at 17K feet! Walking around a temple clockwise. The native Tibetan greeting!

one by one Credit that eating is getting beter. 60% op is better than 50%, right? The weight room and pool sound great – credit!

Glad you got a diagnosis – did s/he say how much you need to lose to see a reduction in symptoms?

I understand your body image issues (see above). I don’t think it can be good to be disconnected from what size you actually are. But we each have to do what makes sense for us. :)

Except for a day here or there, our spring / summer has been like perpetual fall too. We are supposed to have a stretch of summery weather coming up- how about you?

As always congrats on all your art-work!

Margaret I just read all your posts for the last few days – very interesting road you’re on! I love how you’re dealing with all or none thinking; do you think the therapy and work you’ve done on OCD helps you to deal with all-or-none thinking? They do seem very related…

I know you are resisting making response cards, but they have a great deal of value. You’ve mentioned sabotaging thoughts, eating to deal with emotions and adolescent thinking (“I don’t care!” ;)) Response cards are meant to help you deal with all these things. They are CBT/Beckian responses that you read at least once a day (or more often if a particular sabotaging thought is bothering you). You might consider writing out only 3 or 4 that address the most common or problematic of your sabotaging thoughts. They aren’t a magic pill, but can help you when you need to combat those thoughts. Just a thought!

Tam (tammay) :welcome:
I live in the middle of nowhere too – Maine at the end of a very long dirt road. I work remotely, so other than my husband, I see very few folks on a daily basis. This group has been a great boon to me over the last few months. I hope you decide to stay for a while. :D

Karen (Me Too) :welcome2:
I use the 2nd book and really like it. I’ve never used the first, so can’t compare the 2. In my opinion you can use another diet plan with either book, but the 2nd book includes one. I don’t use Beck’s diet plan, I just count calories and have a daily max I try to meet. Yes, you do make your own cards.

Erica :welcome3: back! Credit for eating mindfully when you were tired and away from home… And for choosing to graze on reasonable foods, if you did choose to munch ‘mercilessly’. ;)

I am in the town of China, Maine. It’s about 85 minutes north of Portland and 45 minutes west of Camden (off the major road to Bar Harbor). I see you are in So Ontario – what town? I’ve spent some time visiting – camping on lake Erie, Niagara Falls and it’s environs, Stratford on Avon, Toronto, Tobermorrie, Algonquin (sorry I can’t remember how to spell it…). It’s nice to have another Canadian in the group!

RobinW
07-08-2009, 10:26 PM
just a quickie update....

dd and I went to a pool party. I gave her the choice of what she wanted to eat at the party.

We did good....I did put the stop to more than one brownie, but other than that, she and I did great!

The bike still isnt bought, but hopefully this week.

:wave:

quick note ...I found a great website that helps me put the sugar content in perspective www.sugarstacks.com This has been a very valuable tool in dealing with my dd, and my own self!!

Nuxmaga
07-08-2009, 10:35 PM
A short update.

Down 1.5 lbs--don't know if this is just a blip, but I'll take it.

Zumba, credit.
Tracking food, credit.
Choosing to eat at home when my lunch date was cancelled, credit
Bought a kitchen scale, credit.

Husband is catching on--he offered to measure out my glass of red wine before we went to sip on the front porch.

Potential for conflict at work tomorrow, and I spend so much time trying to avoid conflict. . .Maybe I can get myself to read Beck's thoughts on emotional eating again. . .

BillBlueEyes
07-09-2009, 05:57 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Eating OP; CREDIT moi. No exercise as I still work the time zone change; Oh Well.

Vacation Vignette (3): In one hotel as we walked into the breakfast room with the standard Chinese buffet table in full service, the three of us were quietly ushered into a separate room - the Tibetan Diversity room. In T and western C we were always recognized; there weren't any other Caucasian tourists. The room was decorated with detailed Tibetan designs - rather plush. We were the only guests in the room.

They brought out a special breakfast for us - their image of the proper American breakfast instead of the weak green tea, green vegetables, dim sum, and rice porridge of the Chinese buffet table. It included coffee with milk, orange juice, three kinds of white bread, butter from New Zealand, jams, fried eggs, fried potatoes, and fried SPAM!!!! Just blew my mind; I haven't had fried spam in years. It was delicious.


onebyone – Kudos for going to your doctor instead of just ignoring the symptoms; Ouch that it's a real condition. But sounds like you're in the groove to work that.

Yeah for the action on your class and the interviews. So glad to hear progress in your career.


Robin (RobinW) – Kudos for you and DD succeeding at the pool party. Just love hearing that DD continues the good fight.

ChinaMaine - Yeah for feeling skinny; it seems to be hard for some folks to feel skinny even when they are, so you're ahead.

Yep, I use T for (T I B E T) and C for (C H I N A) just trying to avoid having the google bots and the bots of any interested gov't focus on my posts. It's a region of serious concerns about outsiders stirring up trouble; I've talked to people stateside who were there and made to leave.


Margaret (Nuxmaga) – Kudos to your DH for offering to measure your wine - that's super support.

Good luck with the conflict at work today.


Karen (Me Too) – Yep, Beck's not a cure all, but a help to stick to your diet. Methinks you got it.

Readers - Whether you're depressed or content, a stay-at-home or working parent, a binge eater or social eater, a dieting novice or dieting pro, the Beck Diet Solution can help you.

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 22

eusebius
07-09-2009, 08:52 AM
Coaches/Buddies/Matadors - Yesterday was Day 8, Create Time and Energy. I created a google calendar for this and scheduled a sample day. The coming year will be extremely busy for me ... my piano-teacher colleague at the university is going on sabbatical and I'll be taking up much of the slack. So planning is very important.

Today is Day 9 - Select an Exercise Plan. This is easy - running has always worked for me and I will go back and do C25K (the Couch to 5K running plan) again to get restarted. Spontaneous exercise is something I could definitely do more of, but I do walk a fair bit and climb stairs as part of my daily life. In fact, I think this is why I haven't gotten even bigger or totally lost my fitness.

I had a very rough day yesterday because I have been having real trouble sleeping here at the in-laws'. It's certainly not their fault; I've just been waking up at 3:30 and not being able to sleep for hours afterwards. So I ate spottily. Oh Well. I took 2 Benadryl before going to bed last night and I think today will be much better.

Maryblu - Yay for Senate representation for Minnesota! By the way I heard a fantastic girl's choir from Minneapolis the other day, called the Minnetonka Chamber Choir. They are here for the choral festival my husband is singing in. Very beautiful and inspiring.

Nuxmaga - Great job on walking, planned eating and tracking!! Is that the Rumi poem about the guest house? Tara Brach quotes it in her book - I just love it. Great suggestion about arranging my environment here. I am definitely going to try it today.

Greenville Beth - WTG on eating well. That's really exciting about the galleries!! Is there any sample of your work online I can look at? Exercise scheduling is definitely a bear. The last time i had a 9-5 job, I actually lost about 30 pounds - I took the early bus in to work and worked out at the gym on the university campus where I was working. It was a massive pain but I sort of felt like a real athlete doing it.

BillBE - Good morning (sticking tongue out at you) ;) Fresh fruit!! WTG. I'm going to have some upon finishing this post I think. Just love those vacation vignettes. I'm wondering if the yetis are in exile with the Dalai Lama.

Karen (Me Too) - You can do it! Looking forward to learning more about your journey.

onebyone - Indeed - big credit to you for keeping your focus on the goal. Good to know that the pain in your leg will gradually go away. Ceramics sounds fantastic. I would love to see your Sasquatch/Yeti when it is done. Maybe he can be our mascot!!

ChinaMaine - Great job staying OP! I think I can visualize where the town of China is - I have been to Camden a couple of times (Yarn stores!!) I live in Hamilton, halfway between Toronto and Niagara Falls. It's a really convenient place to live and I often have playing jobs in Toronto, Hamilton, St. Catharines, Niagara region etc.

RobinW- You and DD are doing great!

cheers
Erika

onebyone
07-09-2009, 01:46 PM
Good Afternoon Coaches

Well I've spent a sleepy morning trying to get my things together for today's event: 6pm - 9pm Art Show Opening at BLINK Gallery Ottawa, across from the National Gallery of Canada and probably the closest my work will get to the NGC for quite sometime (unless I'm lucky! One can hope.) I'm sleepy casue I was at ceramic class last night. Boy I sure don't function well after 7pm. I just stared at my clay and then I made a fish head. And then I gave it a coat and arms. So it's the best fish in a coat I've ever seen. It just happened.

I'm starting to get flack about the children's ceramic art stuff already and here it is week one only. Man. They want the impossible done: make, dry, bisque fire, glaze all in 5 days..oh actually 4 days cause they want it for show and tell on Friday afternoon. Wet, just-made, things were arriving in the kiln room on Wednesday. They did not go in the kiln last night way too wet = explosions = wrecking the kiln AND other's work. The school has got to accept clay takes time! Respect the process and the material. Sheesh. More griping on this to come Becksters. Beware.

I won't even begin to tell you the things ahead of me. Mostly I need to start cleaning for the visit of my SIL and her DH next Wednesday. My place never did get put back together after they came in to replace the windows... so much much much to do...and much much much less time to do it in.

Speaking of such things I have to go. Enjoy your Thursday.

ChinaMaine yeah I've had my own self-revelations via the media of photographjy and moving pictures both. I need to look at them again to stay on track though they are certainly painful. :hug: to you for these feelings. Credit for your 45 min workout.

RobinW Thanks for the sugarstacks site. I love the carrot:carrot:stacks too. Credit on enjoying the pool party in moderation.

Nuxmaga Facing conflict and not retreating into food is a constant challenge for me. I can stand my ground better than ever these days but give me a family conflict and I am a lost puppy. Just remember food didn't cause it so it can't cure it.

BillBlueEyes :p Interesting how we are also pigeonholed culturally, this time via breakfast food. Did you want to be with the locals or did you really want what they gave you? How did you feel about that? Interesting.

eusebius Creating time and energy are always a challenge for me. My last year at school has been non-stop work and really nose-to-the-grindstone work. My chocie of course and done with a view to really pushing my skills and it has all paid off BUT my body has paid the price cause I didn't follow basic Beck rules/guidelines. I am not sure what the answer is. I seem to always work very hard and very intensely and then flake out. Binge work is what I do and have for years. I attribute it to being self-employed most of my life with no regular day job the hours/days melt together and then I find myself staring at a deadline. oops! Anyway. All that to say, yes, it is VERY important. Now wonder it's in the first 14 days of her book. And I will keep us in mind as I forge ahead with my ceramic Sasquatchian plans :) (actually I was thinking one side Sasquatch, other side Yeti = one side brown one side white :D )

AnneWonders
07-09-2009, 06:24 PM
Coaches/Buddies Another quickie. Sorry. Work is stressful and I'm not sleeping well again. Food is on an off. Exercise is on and off. I'm hanging on and trying to remember that this will pass, and things will get back to normal.

Welcome back, BillBE. Loving the vacay stories. :wave: to everyone else.

Anne

Nuxmaga
07-09-2009, 09:43 PM
Today, 10,000 steps with a lunchtime walk, credit. Tracked food, credit. Resisted most of the junk at work. The conference room is across the hall from me, and the buffet is set up in the hall, every Thursday. Maybe if I catapulted myself across the hall and didn't turn my head, I wouldn't see it. . .
Conflict didn't come to pass today, but sooner or later this person will show up in my office to complain, rather than talk directly to the person who they really need to deal with.

wndranne--hang in there! I hope you start getting some rest.

onebyone--wow, that's some basic misunderstanding of how clay works on the part of the school! It's weird how some areas I feel so much like an adult, but give me an entitled male about the age of my father, and I'm like 5 years old. Good luck with the cleaning!

eusebius--Hope you found some ways to arrange your environment and that you get more sleep. Yes, the Rumi poem is about the guest house--his poems are wonderful.

Bill Blue Eyes--Fried spam?? Glad to hear you are eating on plan. Has it been rough going back to your regular diet, or more of a relief?

RobinW--Congrats on the pool party moderation. That sugarstacks site is a great visual.

ChinaMaine--Yes, working on the OCD has been crucial to dealing with my all-or-nothing thinking! OCD demands certainty--ie. no matter that I can't predict the future I want to absolutely know that this or that thought will go away, or that I'm doing my eating exactly right, and all-or-nothing thinking is intrinsic to OCD's demands. That gray area is really anxiety provoking for me--I'm practicing making decisions even if I haven't massively researched every detail, normal decisions that most people don't think twice about. I'm tracking my food even though I have no guarantee I "really" know the true calorie value, and believe me, that can be a challenge, but it's worth it because I'm seeing the trends and how certain choices can jump up my calories very quickly.

ChinaMaine
07-09-2009, 09:59 PM
I had a lovely day. I think I’m over the post-entertaining tiredness. I had breakfast and lunch by the lake. And DH and I spent an hour out there after dinner. It was perfect weather today. DH is keeping busy – his current project is building our dock one section at a time. He’s designed a 5 section dock (basically it’ll be a 20’ ramp ending at a 12’ x 12’ floating dock). He started building 16’ of the ramp (in 2 sections) today. While he was working on it, a Great Blue Heron landed on a rock and spied on him for a few minutes. They he jumped off the rock and strolled along the shore and off our property. :lol:

:df: WI-down 1.5 lbs. Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op. Exercise – op. I did my usual 45 minutes plus 7 minutes on the elliptical (5 minutes is better than 0, right?) and an extra 1 mile walk. Credit!!

Robin :yay: for you and DD. Credit for only 1 brownie!

Margaret Getting a kitchen scale is great. It’ll help you stay op. Credit! It’s nice your DH is starting to measure now. It warms the cockles of my heart when my DH measures out my meat for dinner. :crossed: that you deal with tomorrow’s stress!

Ha! Seems the stress passed you by today. Credit for resisting most of the junk at work. Free food at work is always so hard to resist… What if you hopped past the table on a pogo-stick? ;)

Bill jetlag is a bear – credit for giving your body a break until you’ve adjusted. Quite a breakfast story today. I assume you would have preferred the C-ese buffet? I have never had Spam at all – I can’t even imagine having it fried. But you really liked it?

It’s really too bad it’s necessary to use T and C. I have to admit to a lack of imagination when it comes to repression. I can’t fathom what it would like to live without the freedoms I obviously take for granted...

Erika It’s great you do so much exercise already – credit! Camden is a nice town – it’s gotten much more frou-frou in the last couple of years. But I love the harbor there…

Hamilton, Ontario. I’ve only driven through on my way to other places. But my DH and I were just talking about the TV station we both watched there when we were kids (late 60’s, early 70’s). This was back before cable, when you coaxed your antenna to pull in far-flung TV stations. I think it was Channel 10 – I watched Star Trek every afternoon after school and my DH watched hockey once a week with his Dad (he thinks it was a show with Al Hamel…) Anyhoo – that’s neither here nor there, you’ve triggered some memories there. Thanks!

one by one Yikes – sounds like your work-related rollercoaster is going full-steam again. Good luck dealing with it. I know you can find a way. :)

Anne Ouch that you still aren’t feeling well. I hope things turn around for you soon. :hug:

BillBlueEyes
07-10-2009, 05:17 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Eating OP including making my lunch for work; CREDIT moi. My digestive track has not fully returned home yet, nor my sleep schedule. My body just isn't functional at the gym level yet - even long walks level. This morning I "slept in" until 3am so that's an improvement.

Had a nice NSV when a friend at work who is also maintaining suggested that I'd lost weight on my vacation. Maybe a couple of pounds, which I consider dehydration loss until I stabilize, but it was nice to have someone notice. I do miss the attention that I got when I was actually losing.

Vacation Vignette (4): Saw a Chinese teenager wearing a New York Yankees ("NY") baseball cap. Now this tweaked my interest, and, as a die hard Red Sox fan, gored my goat.

So, I asked her if she was a Yankees fan. Well, no she wasn't. And then, no she didn't really follow American baseball, or baseball at all. Nor did she seem to know who the New York Yankees were or that the cap was about them.

She said she likes the cap because Beckham wears one.

(I didn't push my luck trying to figure out whether she follows soccer or husbands of Spice Girls, LOL.)


onebyone – Ouch for being tired when you burn your candle at both ends, LOL. Love the thought of your fish head with a coat and arms. Is your brain more creative when it's being overworked?

Your audience seems to be unaware of the real process of using clay. Maybe the kids should be using children's play-doh; avoid all the issues of real clay and just bake it in an oven. Your clean up would be easier and folks who don't know the difference might be just as happy.

I really wanted to eat with the Chinese tourists for the people watching part. I liked the Chinese buffet; veggies for breakfast is rather nice. I'd just skip the weak green tea - which I love with dinner - and get a strong black tea or coffee.


Anne (wndranne) - Ouch for being "off." Yep, this too shall pass, but it's a PITA waiting patiently for that to happen. Sending supportive thoughts for the work stress.

ChinaMaine - Yeah for the exercise and being over the "post-entertaining tiredness." Spending so much time down on the lake sounds so much fun; I'm green with envy at the thought of a Great Blue Heron strolling by. (Will trade you 10 Mourning Doves and a Rock Pigeon for one.)

Kudos to your DH for taking on a major project to keep busy.

It really is a shock to encounter fear of authorities. It was real. It was palpable. We saw an incident where some tourists gave the check point guards a verbal drubbing and found themselves "held hostage" waiting for their passports to be returned. It's pretty amazing that this week the authorities are giving journalists tours of the areas of civil unrest rather than repressing journalists as was done in T a year ago. Change does happen.


Margaret (Nuxmaga) – Kudos for passing on the FREE food at work. LOL at the creative solution of catapulting yourself across the hallway; now that's using CBT for problem solving. And Kudos for the walking and 10K steps.

Yep, it's been a relief going back to my regular diet, like going back to my current comfort food. I actually like fried spam; it's comfort food from my childhood, which I avoid not only because it's almost 80% fat but because the smell drives my DW crazy.


Erika (eusebius) - Kudos for doing the Google calendar thing to work your Time and Energy strategy. Sounds like a good idea for a busy year next year. And Ouch for the lack of sleep - hope that subsides before it drives you bonkers.

LOL at "wondering if the yetis are in exile with the Dalai Lama." Watch yourself there - you'll give onebyone ideas for a combined Yeti/Dalai Lama sculpture.


Readers - You'll get to the point where you react differently when you see food you know you shouldn't eat.

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 24

RobinW
07-10-2009, 09:49 PM
:wave: its hot, Im cranky...but food isnt too shabby :lol:

ChinaMaine
07-10-2009, 10:21 PM
It was another good day. I did my usual 45 minutes of exercise in the AM and an extra 15 minutes of walking after work. Credit! We’ve eaten most of the leftover food we had from our houseful of guests last weekend. The only thing we have left is a Spinach and Artichoke dip I found in Cooking Light. We had some after work as a snack – yummy and on-plan. Credit!

I’m glad work is over for a couple of days; we’re hoping to head down to Popham Beach tomorrow. :yay:

:df: WI-up .5 lbs. Didn’t read my cards :shrug:, but did make a plan. Food – op. Exercise – op.

Bill :crossed: your digestive tract is back to normal soon. :yay: for the positive comments from a fellow maintainer. LOL at the Chinese girl who wears a Yankees cap because Beckham wears one. You know it’s probably soccer she follows, is there anyone under the age of 30 who remembers the Spice Girls? ;)

Robin :wave: Credit that food is good. But ouch that it’s hot and you are cranky. ;)

Me Too
07-11-2009, 02:40 AM
I got my book today, can't wait to start reading it and learn what I need to do to lose weight.
step 1 be open minded and willing to do what it says.
I want a happy thin healthy life, so I am willing.

BillBlueEyes
07-11-2009, 06:26 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Eating OP; CREDIT moi. Slept until 4:30am - an improvement over yesterday - so I'm slowly making the transition back.

Today is the day I increment my month counter for staying on maintenance; CREDIT moi.

Vacation Vignette (5): From a very respectful distance we became aware that a sky burial was taking place on a sacred mountain near where we had stopped along the road for a break.

According to our guide, the Tibetans actually use five different forms of burial: earth, water (not frequently), fire (cremation), stupa (in an above ground shrine for special figures), and sky.

Sky is the one that fascinates westerners. Along with the belief in incarnation comes a disassociation with the remains of the dead. They've already come back in another life; the remains are for disposal in an ecological manner. Leaving them on a mountain top to be consumed by the vultures is respectful. Again, according to our guide, a whistle is used to summon the vultures.

We saw two large Lammergeyer (Bearded Vultures (http://www.danielwinkler.com/wildlife_photos_from_the_tibetan_plateau.htm)) circling the mountain. It was a moment of awe. We discretely moved along.


Robin (RobinW) - Kudos for staying on top of food despite the heat. Don't know why Buffalo, of all places, is hotter than we are on the East Coast. Thought you guys always had a stiff, cold wind coming straight from Canada.

ChinaMaine - Drooling over your "Spinach and Artichoke dip." Dips are always hard for me to limit. LOL at your observation about Spice Girls and people under 30.

Karen (Me Too) – Bon Voyage on your journey with your new Beck book. Can't think of a better start than "step 1 be open minded and willing to do what it says."

Readers - the solution at a glance

• Cognitive Therapy is a psychological treatment that will help you successfully lose excess weight and keep it off.
. . .

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 25

eusebius
07-11-2009, 09:06 AM
Hi Coaches - quick fly-by as I'm alone with DD this morning. Things continue to be up & down here. The alcohol is flowing a bit too freely with all these extra people around (members of the choir DH is singing in) and I need to cut back generally. Terrible headache this morning. On the positive side, I am sleeping a bit better.

I've been reading Days 10 and 11. Set a Realistic Goal is no problem - I'm happy to think in 5-pound increments. Differentiate between Hunger, Desire and Cravings is also not too difficult. I'm very rarely acutely hungry. My problem is, and has always been, emotional eating. Sometimes I'll eat when I don't even desire or crave the food all that much. It's sitting with uncomfortable feelings - over and over again. Too bad there are so darned many of them :lol:

Sorry I have to run today ... but kudos to all of you on your achievements and NSV's!!
Erika

maryblu
07-11-2009, 09:42 AM
Glad to open up the Beck thread early a.m. (for me on a Sat.) and see BillBE back on top of the morning, as it should be. LOL. I am sure I have not offended anyone; prolly every other Beckie Buddy feels the same way.

The experience you shared this morning gave me goose bumps, Bill. The circle of life. We in our culture are so weird about the way we die, aren't we?

Me Too: willing is what it takes. Beck gives you all the tools. I am still using only book 1; that did it for me. What I am doing now is listening to all the others who have been successful and all the diet wonks out there who are basically saying the same things as Beck, just not as well laid out and complete.

Heard a fascinating discussion on Science Friday yesterday with David Kessler and a woman named Gail Vance Seville. It spoke to me of what you wrote about this morning, Erika. He addressed the emotional eating/ food as a friend, and she is studying what exactly about the taste/texture of a food makes it enticing. I think our own dear intellectual power house wndranne read and reviewed Kessler; this Seville person is new to me, but listen to this:

As he is talking about how diets will never work as long as we think of food as our comfort, our friend, our entertainment, she is saying she really has no problem with any food being "too tempting, too good" to resist, because she is always analyzing it. Ha! Seriously, she is asking herself, is it the texture, the crunch, etc?

Kessler is talking about the addictive nature of fat, salt, sugar, and the way the food industry puts salt in sweet stuff and vice versa, and then wraps it in fat for good measure.

She is saying analyze it yourself and once you do, it is a known substance to you and much easier to control. One of the things she mentioned is the way potato chips stick to your teeth and that being the reason why we keep eating them by the bag full. I almost stopped mid-trip to turn around and come back to the house to throw out the licorice bits I seem to have to have. I don't need to eat anymore to analyze; I just need to think about what it is that makes me think I want them. I need to fully grok it.

Both mentioned Michael Pollan a lot. A chef called in and told about how the restaurants are catering to this addiction and using more sodium,sugar, and fat all the time..and intentionally going that direction to keep people eating and coming back.

Got a free newsletter sample this morning of Environmental Nutrition, prolly because I subscribe to Nutrition Action as recommended by BillBE. Have not read, but it seems very much the same. A little bit of Michael Pollan thrown in, too. Has anyone else seen one?

Happy Saturday all, a nice cool one here..good gardening weather for sure.

ChinaMaine
07-11-2009, 11:11 AM
This is just a flyby – will do a real report/personals later or in the AM tomorrow. The sun is shining, a breeze is blowing, and it is great to feel fit and energetic. I just wanted to give a happy shout-out to you all! :wave:

Usually on weekends my exercise plan is more fluid than it is during the week. Generally I try to exercise 1.5 hours or burn 600+ calories per weekend day. But a minimum of 45 minutes and 400 calories is op. Since we plan to go to Popham today (where exercise opportunities are unlikely to be challenging), I decided to try and get 250-300 calories in before we head out.

NSV: MFC has a physical challenge that comes up every 2 weeks or so and generally I skip it. But I did it this AM. I can easily do 60 reps each of crunches and squats. Credit! Pushups are still a big challenge for me so I’ll just keep my upper body workouts as my priority. But since I did an UBW yesterday and had already done 60 crunches, I decided to give their lower body workout a try. It was fun and pretty challenging. I think I’ll build it into my weekly schedule. I just added 5 lb handweights to my UBW, so I don’t want to make any other changes in that workout until I’ve adapted. But then I think I’ll switch from doing UBW 15 mins/day, 3 days/week to 30 minutes/day, 2 days a week. And add in the LBW on Wednesdays after yoga. (That was probably TMI – sorry!)

:sunny: Have a great day everyone! :sunny:

Nuxmaga
07-11-2009, 12:31 PM
Quick note for now. Getting ready for my fine craft show in 2 weeks, and tonight I have a poetry reading! I haven't given one in a long time, so I'm a bit nervous. And it's at a chocolatier's & bakery. . .eek. Which reminds me, my therapist is moving to a new location, and I scoped it out last weekend--there's a chocolatier in the lobby. It's a good thing my therapist is a cognitive behavioral guy, and maybe he can help me with a strategy to get past the chocolates(twice). . .maybe there's a back door.

Yesterday, I tracked food, did Zumba, took a lunchtime walk, and didn't have seconds at a dinner party. Though I had wine and pie, I was pleased I didn't fill up on appetizers.

Hope everyone has a good weekend!
Margaret

AnneWonders
07-11-2009, 01:22 PM
:wave: Still here and lurking. Not feeling very talkative. Wishing everyone well.

Great post maryblu.

Anne

Me Too
07-11-2009, 07:52 PM
Just reading my book and learning how to deal with trigger foods.
Beck book is so good I can't put it down.
Its hot here so not getting to much done today.

BillBlueEyes
07-12-2009, 05:23 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Eating Op including making a batch of granola; CREDIT moi. Shopped at the farmers market for good veggies; stocked up at the supermarket; and walked to Whole Foods for some peanut butter; CREDIT moi. Slowly re-establishing the routine.

Vacation Vignette (6): Spent a morning at the Chengdu Giant Panda Breeding Research area in western C. Beautifully laid out for a long walk amid much bamboo. Saw some half dozen Giant Pandas as well as some good birds, including a Black Swan, which I had never seen before (excluding, of course, dancing in Swan Lake, which is not accepted by the American Birding Association).

The Giant Pandas spend their day sitting eating bamboo. That's it. It has so little nutritional value that it takes a full day of eating to maintain one's weight. (Bamboo is a grass and Pandas don't have the stomachs of cows so it's a poor choice for survival.) There's got to be a lesson in this somehow for all of us struggling to maintain.

In person they are as ridiculously cute as in pictures.

maryblu - Thanks for the joyful welcome back. And thanks for the thoughtful post about Kessler and Gail Vance Civille.

Was good to be reminded of The End of Overeating by Kessler; Yep, it's the fat, sugar, and salt that sucks us in. Civille is a Sensory Evaluation specialist, according to the title of her book on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Sensory-Evaluation-Techniques-Fourth-Meilgaard/dp/0849338395/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247339541&sr=1-2). That's a new thought for me to analyze what about a food is drawing me to it. Hope you keep us informed if thinking about that is helpful.

Environmental Nutrition is new to me; I'll track that down and think about signing up.


Anne (wndranne) - Waving back. Kudos for checking in even when "not feeling very talkative." Sending positive thoughts your way.

ChinaMaine - Yeah for feeling "fit and energetic."

And Yeah for the NSV in AM MFC for LBW, UBW, and TMI, LOL.


Erika (eusebius) - Ouch for the headache and for the difficulty staying on plan with a joyful bunch of people about. Kudos for knowing that it's not Hunger that you're fighting but emotional eating. I wish that that knowledge was sufficient to stop it, but emotions seem to first neutralize all the rational parts of my brain to reduce resistance. When it's my feelings that want food, the thing that works best for me is to have no food about.

Karen (Me Too) – Ouch for getting exercise when it's hot. Neat that you're identifying "trigger foods" to deal with.

Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Kudos for the walking, Zumba, and pie denial.

LOL at all the chocolatiers in your life. Now getting in and out of the lobby past that smell and sight sounds like a CBT challenge. Can't wait to hear your solution.


Tam (tammay) - Waving. Knew that I remembered you from before, but finally checked to verify that I gave you a welcome screen last December. How goes the reading?

Readers - the solution at a glance
. . .
• The way you think about food, eating, and dieting affeacts your behavior and how you feel emotionally.
. . .

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 25

ChinaMaine
07-12-2009, 08:44 AM
We want to go to Popham Beach at low tide so we could walk out to an island you can only reach on foot when the tide is at its lowest. But, we realized that we had been reading the tidal info wrong; low tide was after sunset yesterday. So, Popham Beach was put off to another day. We also considered doing a combined trip to one Maine’s prettiest lighthouses along with taking a Puffin boat cruise. But since we spent a small fortune of food for our guests last weekend, we decided we needed to take a more fiscally responsible path… We scoured our hiking books for a trail that was easy, interesting and near the shore. We found a nice one down on Georgetown Peninsula (so very near our very favorite lobster shack). We put the top down on our little convertible and drove the 90 minutes down there. I learned to drive a stick-shift on country roads and one of my favorite things to do is to drive too fast on windy, rural roads. I had fun! ;) The hike was a lovely wooded hike with frequent glimpses of tidal waters and streams. It was promised to be a great birding opportunity, but we only saw two cormorants. Oh well…

My number 1 goal has been to feel well enough to go on hikes (3-4 hours, moderate difficulty) and kayak (for an hour or more at a time). Since I’ve been feeling so much better, I’ve been wanting to test my thyroid/fatigue limits with just such a hike. I was very tired at the end of the hike, so I took a long hot soak and went early to bed. For now, I’d say a 1-2 mile hike with 100-200’ elevation change are my limits for a hike. But I’m thrilled I can hike at all!! Last weekend I went kayaking for 30 minutes or so – with no fatigue. So, this summer is going to be great!

After the hike we drove down the road to a state park that has a beach, along with picnic tables that overlook either a typical, rocky Maine coast or a pretty salt water lagoon/marsh. We chose to eat our cheese and crackers overlooking the rocky shore and walked by the lagoon later. The temperature had dropped quite a bit, so we had to put on our sweatshirts. This encouraged another fiscally responsible decision; we headed home without getting the lobsters that had been dancing in our heads all day. I don’t think it’s overstating things to say it was a perfect day. :D

:df: WI-down .5 lbs. Read my cards, didn’t make a plan (but I had one going mentally). Food – op (in terms of calories). Exercise – op.

Karen (Me Too) Credit for reading the Beck book!

Bill Credit for incrementing your maintaining calendar, and for graduating to a walk; the gym will soon follow!

I shared the sky burial story with DH. We both like the idea of it very much.

yes I was acronym-laden yesterday AM, oops I mean morning. :D

Erika Ouch for ‘ alcohol is flowing a bit too freely. This is one of my major pain points when I’m in a social situation, so I feel for you. :hug:

Kudos for recognizing where your food issues lie (emotional eating). You can’t address an issue until you’ve identified it. ;)

Do you teach piano at a university? And play professionally? That’s very cool! My DH and I are taking lessons from a local woman who just graduated from a local university. We love it, and are trying to find the money in the budget to keep taking lessons even though DH lost his job about a month ago.

maryblu Happy gardening to you! :wave:

Margaret Ouch for the double-threat of the chocolatiers. Credit for exercise and no seconds at dinner!

Anne :wave:

onebyone
07-12-2009, 09:13 AM
'morning Beckster Coaches

Very quick hello as I run out the door. yesterday I had to get to the gallery my work in showing in even earlier than planned as a fellow artists' material was deemed "indecent" and she was told to remove 2 pieces and she said "all or nothing" and took them all out--leaving a blank space on the wall and in the "sitting at the gallery" schedule as she took herself out of the show.

This gallery show is so not worth it. My work being in galleries only feeds me when the thing is over and I can note it on my resume. I am more interested in having done it that doing it. I vastly prefer the outdoor craft or art exhibit, the hands on I deal with tons of people whether they like my stuff or not, though maybe not all gallery events will be like this one has been. I do have a few hours to myself before the stores open and i start rushing once more. I should be working but I am not going to do it. I have a car, I shall go for a joyride this morning. Better go now then.

Enjoy your Sunday :wave:

RobinW
07-12-2009, 10:30 AM
:wave:

just another quickie!

Food wasnt very good yesterday, and I got into the wine. But today is another day.

Today is bike buying day! :cb:

My dd is down 2.5lbs!! Im so proud off her!

Have a great sunday everyone!

maryblu
07-12-2009, 11:12 AM
Sounds as if most of us are experiencing the joys of summer. Yay for that.

Thanks, Chinamaine, for the glimpse into summer in Maine. I know I would love it there in spring, summer, fall...Maine is as cold as MN in winter, so neutral there. Great joy in your ability to hike and kayak. Great joy, and kudos for making it happen.

Thanks, BillBE for the research on Civille spelling and bio. Hearing her was fascinating, and I do believe it helped me. Taking any binge food or food that isn't really food (licorice, for ex.) and analyzing its appeal does seem to make it very easy to just say no. I have not thrown it yet, but will either do it now, or wait until it is all stuck together in summer humidity and then throw one blob. Thinking about what it is that appealed to me, yes appealed, past tense really helped.

Interesting approach that Civille has. It really killed the mood. I certainly hope she sticks with food response research and stays out of the Masters and Johnson realm. "Sensory Evaluation Specialist"..hmm, some things are better just left unexplained.

Read the Environmental Nutrition newsletter, BillBe..very, very similar to Nutrition Action and no surprised. I don't need two so similar.

Enjoy your Sunday, all.

Nuxmaga
07-12-2009, 10:39 PM
I'm toasty tonight--extended time on the computer updating my business mailing list, and entering my mosaics into my inventory software. Probably obsessively:dizzy:

10,000 steps(if I walk up and down the stairs a couple more times), credit.
Tracked food, credit.
Read more of Beck book #2, credit.
Asked for extra veggies in my thai dish, and no deep fried tofu, credit.

After the poetry reading last night, which I actually enjoyed, I got two pastries to go and put them in the freezer when I got home. I split one with dh today and told him to eat the other one. I did succumb to a Paris-Brest pastry at the bakery this morning, when I went to get bread. I looked it up to figure out the name, and calories--a treat for cyclists who did a race from Paris to Brest, figuring they'd burn that much. Whoa. It was worth it though.

BillBlueEyes
07-13-2009, 05:16 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Eating Op included turning down a plate of homemade cookies; CREDIT moi. I needed that since I had become a bit grabby around snacks being passed around on the bus during my vacation. Made a batch of white beans, plum tomatoes, rosemary vinaigrette for lunches this week; CREDIT moi.

Vacation Vignette (7): Visited a monastery devoted to Milarepa - famous mystic, Tibetan saint, Buddhist Lama of the 11th century.

He's spoken about with quickened voice. People are still excited about him. He is noted for years of sage advice and spiritual leadership, and extensive writings called The Songs of Milarepa.

But it's the sidebars that caught my attention. He won the attention of his mentor by following the instructions to build a rock tower. Then following the instructions to tear it down because it wasn't perfect. Then to repeat that three times. Finally allowed to study the Dharma under Marpa. (All great teachers come with reference to their teacher.)

He's frequently pictured as a near skeletal guy, slightly green, because he ate only nettle tea!!! Was so evolved that he didn't need to wear warm clothes because he could regulate his body temperature - wore only thin white cotton.

Apparently everybody on the planet knows about him except me. A movie was made of his life a few years ago. It's for sale on Amazon. DW wants to see it.

maryblu - Neat that thinking like Civille removed the appeal of your liquorish. (Wondering if it would work for me with FREE food, LOL.) Yep, hope she doesn't do the Masters and Johnston thing. Not looking forward to the announcement that the protein has been identified that causes the sensation we call "love." Nor pills to make it appear or go away.

onebyone - Kudos for being so together that you organized a gallery show early; now that's an achievement for a last minute creator!!!

How quaint that art is found "indecent" in 2009; perhaps it showed a sign saying "Vive le Québec libre." (OK maybe my mind is stuck in T.)


Robin (RobinW) - Waving back. Ouch for eating diversions. Congrats to your DD for the 2.5 pounds; Kudos to you for being a good parent to the teen angst issues.

Anne (wndranne) - Waving. Sending double supportive thoughts.

ChinaMaine - What a joyous story of "a perfect day" in Maine. Kudos for the hiking; Yeah that you have the energy to do that. And Yeah that the fiscally responsible path included driving the dirt roads of Maine in a convertible in good weather. (My bird walk yesterday saw a Great Blue Heron, 2 Green Heron, and 3 Black-crowned Night Heron at the same location but no Cormorant, a much more typical local bird.)

Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Kudos for switching extra veggies for the fried tofu in your Thai dish. I need to be reminded if you've already told us how mosaics fit into your life - I do like the one in your avatar.

Alas, you tempted me to google (FOOD PORN WARNING) Paris-Brest pastry (http://www.joyofbaking.com/ParisBrest.html). Can see how you got hooked. The baking instructions, fortunately, are convoluted enough to prevent any sane person from trying to bake them at home, LOL.


Readers - the solution at a glance
. . .
• Certain ways of thinking make it difficult to follow a diet and to maintain weight loss.
. . .

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 25

Me Too
07-13-2009, 07:57 AM
I was reading last night in the Beck book about not starting any diet for the first 2 weeks, so I can learn new skills first, so I think I will make a calorie counting list of foods that I know I will eat most often, that way I won't have to look up so many foods later on.
I would rather use paper and pen and use the computer as an aid in counting calories. I don't want to run to the computer every time I eat something.
I really feel the Beck Solution is a kind of hand holding and support, which is walking around in my mind rearranging how I think and feel about dieting an starting a healthy lifestyle.

ChinaMaine
07-13-2009, 08:43 AM
I was pretty tired Sunday, and I didn’t help it by doing the elliptical. But somehow I pulled my shoulder Saturday and wanted to rest it a bit. So didn’t want to do an MFC workout. I probably just should have taken an extra long walk instead of doing the elliptical and a walk. Oh well…

DH has been making good progress on the 1st 2 sections of our dock, and I wanted to give him a hand yesterday. So I used the chop saw to cut a bunch of 8’ boards down to 4’. Then I went to bed for the rest of the afternoon. :)

:df: WI-up .75 lbs. Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op. Exercise – op.

one by one I hope you end up talking to at least 1 or 2 interesting folks at your gallery show.

Robin Ouch for the wine, :yay: for the bikes. And :woohoo: for dd losing weight. It must make you both feel good to see the results of your hard work.

maryblu :wave:

Margaret the pastries sound so yummy! :drool: Credit for making reasonable food choices and exercising!

Bill Credit for resisting cookies and getting yourself back into maintenance mode. Getting back into good habits is the hardest part of vacationing I think…

Karen (Me Too) I didn’t start a diet for about 3 ½ - 4 weeks. I guess I really took my time learning the skills, or was just slow. ;) I’m glad I did because it allowed me to focus on the skills and getting used to logging food. I hope find taking the slow approach to be effective too. :)

twilit tera
07-13-2009, 09:55 AM
Hey, everyone. The craziness is starting to settle down I think. :crossed: Between settling in from the move, taking care of mom post-op, and trying to fixed my (most definitely) hosed laptop, I've been pretty much completely upended. My routine went out the door for a while.

I gained 5 pounds. Could have been a whole lot worse. I'm now working my way back, starting with vitamins and exercise, reinforcing mindful eating. I will add counting calories again within a month, if all goes well. Today I've already been to the pool. I have just finished breakfast and am now taking vitamins and anti-inflammatories. When I'm done here, I'll do a round of PT before hitting my to-do list.

Mom's doing great. There should only be a couple more weeks of full time care, she'll be on her own a month ahead of schedule. She made her first grocery shopping trip since the procedure yesterday! Until then, she'd been getting dinners delivered to her by people from work and church. It was so needed, and very sweet, but I'm sure she's happy to be making her own menu again!

The apartment feels homy already. The cat is thrilled to have room to run in again and has started playing fetch regularly now that there's room in here to throw the (lollipop) stick.

My own pain levels have been up and down, especially after my last visit to the doctor (waiting rooms and examination tables do that to me). Nothing was really accomplished that visit because the Chiropractor never sent the x-rays to them, a fact which I did not discover until the visit. Today I will be hassling the clinic to see if they got them, have read them, are good with them.

:grouphug: Thanks, everyone for being here! :welcome: to the new(ish) folks! Bill, I'm glad you're home safe and had such a great trip!

ChinaMaine
07-13-2009, 11:00 AM
Hi Tera! I'm sooooooo glad to hear you and your Mom are doing well, and both of you are getting back on track! (I was just telling DH last night how I hoped you were okay. :))

maryblu
07-13-2009, 05:52 PM
What Chinamaine, sad, Tera.

I am so in awe of your mom and her recovery. A month ahead of schedule. Wow. Just wow!

RobinW
07-13-2009, 09:15 PM
:wave:

Evening!

Ok...I planned for icecream after supper tonight. BUT, I really need to talk to those ppl about the SIZE of their "small" Holy Smokes...that could have just been my dinner!

Ok, but the best part...Me, my dd and 2 grandkids all biked over to the new ice cream shop and I think they all had fun.

On the positive size, Ive dug out my old journal and plan to get back to that.

Bill! Sounds like you had an amazing trip!

Have a great evening everyone!

AnneWonders
07-13-2009, 11:48 PM
:wave:

Tonight I'm contemplating the ebb and flow of motivation. I know it will be easier to get back on track if I do the things I need to do. But I just sort of can't be bothered. It is not too hard to pick one thing and do it. Work is still stressing me out, big time, and I'm not sleeping well. So I contemplate the first step back. And then the second.

There is a sabotaging thought here. "I have too much to deal with to worry about my diet right now." I have responses, like not needing perfection, and just doing one thing, and then another, until I'm out of my rut and back into my groove. I think sleep will help the mental energy, so I can actually believe it, and then, more importantly (since I already do believe it, really, at my core), act on that belief.

Anne

BillBlueEyes
07-14-2009, 05:38 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Eating OP; CREDIT moi. Walk at lunch then gym after work; CREDIT moi. After five weeks, gym felt like I'd never worked out in my life before, but I'm betting that it comes back. Did about half a workout, but the muscles still feel it this morning.

Vacation Vignette (8): The most recognized sight in Lhasa T is the Portala Palace (http://www.presscluboftibet.org/photo-117/potala-palace-against-the-clear-sky.htm), the winter residence of the 14th Dalai Lama. We were allowed to climb to the top level, tour about, and climb back down. The Tibetan pilgrims circum-ambulate the palace at street level (clockwise, of course) in the early morning and later evening while the tourists pay the fee to go inside.

The Portala Palace was not destroyed during the disastrous Cultural Revolution, as were so many monasteries and sacred places in T, during its ten year course starting in 1966.

On the way down, an elderly Asian gentleman asked me where I was from. "America" wasn't close enough, nor was "Boston." He wanted to know exactly where. He was a Korean tourist and had been to Boston. We chatted about the issues of the Korean Peninsular as we walked down together.

maryblu - Waving back. Thought of you when I was snarfing some of my home grown lettuce yesterday.

Robin (RobinW) - Kudos for buying the bike (you predicted you'd buy it, assume you did), and for riding out with that passel of kids for ice cream. LOL at "their "small" Holy Smokes...that could have just been my dinner!"

Anne (wndranne) - Ouch for the "ebb and flow of motivation." Can imagine the challenge of finding time for yourself above the work stress and lack of sleep. But, BIG Kudos for following 3FC and posting as part of getting back on track.

Tera (twilit tera) - Kudos for getting back on track after being "pretty much completely upended." I don't know why restarting is so hard, but it seems to be for everyone. Yeah for your mother's rapid recovery with your support.

Ouch for a wasted doctor's visit, especially since the activity costs you dearly. Kudos again for your continued persistence with your hip condition. Apparently, from your mother, you have the genes for rapid recovery.


ChinaMaine - Ouch for the pulled shoulder, but Kudos for going ahead and cutting the boards for your new dock. Neat that you took "3 ½ - 4 weeks" to start your diet; now that's patience.

Karen (Me Too) - Love the image of the Beck Solution "walking around in my mind rearranging how I think and feel about dieting." Kudos for having the patience to work the strategies before diving into the diet. I do think that that will help to get the head wrapped around the eating choices in the future.

Readers - the solution at a glance
. . .
• The Beck Diet Solution takes you through a six-week process to change sabotaging thoughts (that cause you to stray from you diet) to helpful thinking (that will lead to success).

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 25

AnneWonders
07-14-2009, 10:16 AM
Coaches/Buddies Small steps. I scaled by my run to work with the weather, and got 3.5 miles in a 3R:1W ratio. Breakfast has been reasonable, and I'm off to pack, plan, record my food log, and then get to work.

Anne

twilit tera
07-14-2009, 11:46 AM
Well, working my way back is going pretty well. Got all my vitamins in, did all my PT, didn't stuff myself, and I've already dropped the first couple pounds, probably in water.

We overslept and didn't go swimming this morning, but that suits me, because the outdoor pool at the athletic club is a lot more fun than the indoor, and it isn't open before B goes to work. We'll go tonight.

Thanks everyone, for the encouragement and for thinking of me and Mom during my absence.

Robin: I feel you on the "small" ice cream. B and I usually split the "small" they offer at our local Marble Slab.

Anne: For me, one of the comforts I take during times of low motivation is knowing that it'll come back sooner or later. And yes, breaking things down and dealing with them a bit at a time helps during the ebbs.

Bill: :yay: for working your way back into your routine!

Whatever I didn't genetically inherit from my mother is more than made up for in what she passed on to me socially - just plain stubbornness and refusal to give up.

ChinaMaine
07-14-2009, 01:01 PM
I still was catering to my shoulder Monday morning. I did my upper body workout without handweights, except for the bicep curls (which don’t seem to use the shoulder muscles much).

Yesterday was a stressful day at work, and I really wanted a drink at the end of the day. I pulled out my response cards and was able to resist the urge. Credit!

:df: WI-up .5 lbs. Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op. Exercise – op. Still tired, considering resurrecting the fatigue scale…

Tera Ouch for the computer issues and for being ‘completely upended’. I think you’re the 4th person in this group to have a hosed computer in the 6 months I’ve been in the group. :shrug: very odd…

Credit for posting – I know how hard it is after you’ve been off plan for a little while…

:yay: for your Mom doing so well. It’s amazing she’ll be on her own a month ahead of schedule. You have very good genes indeed. ;)

Robin Ouch for the not-so-small small ice cream. Grrrrr. Credit for biking there with the family!

Anne
Tonight I'm contemplating the ebb and flow of motivation. I know it will be easier to get back on track if I do the things I need to do.
You’re right that getting more sleep will help you to ‘act on your belief’. As will taking small steps. :yay: for posting, having a reasonable breakfast, and all the other small steps you’ve taken. :bravo:

Bill Credit for getting back to the gym, even at half-speed. :) Isn’t it interesting how much folks overseas know about America – often more than our own citizens know? While you were in the far east there was a very amusing bit on the Colbert Report (don’t know if you watch anyway) where they went between 2 sets of man-on-the-street interviews, 1 in Tehran, 1 in NYC. You won’t be surprised to find that the Iranians are much more knowledgeable about US civics than are American. It was quite appalling, yet funny. ;) BTW Bill, my name isn’t Anne. Although I do like the name. :D I don't give my name out here because I'd guess I'm the only person in the town of China, Maine with my first name. I doubt anyone wants to connect the dots, but with my town and first name, one could easily get my full address, etc. And match all that to the personal info I give here. It's my attempt to maintain some privacy from 'the evil ones', not from members of the group.

Nuxmaga
07-14-2009, 04:10 PM
Hello Everyone.

Monday was Zumba, credit; tracking food, credit; measuring my maple syrup on pancakes(I am a "sauce mouth" and usually consider any sauce or syrup something to be drunk. . .)credit; getting back on track after some post-work junk food, credit.

Tera--So glad to hear from you, and that your mom is doing well. To get through complete upending, and only gain 5 pounds is pretty amazing! Congratulations! And it's great you are back on track.

Bill--I'm very much enjoying your vacation stories. Kudos on turning down homemade cookies! Your white bean salad sounds wonderful--do you have a recipe to share? Didn't mean to promote "food porn" with the Paris Brest Pastry! I discovered it was a snack not just for a race from Paris to Brest, but then back again. . .

Mosaics are my joy in life! I use all sorts of glass and make light-catching mirrors, frames, trivets, and mandalas. Glass is a gorgeous material to work with, and I especially love gold smalti, which was used in Byzantine churches--chunks of glass with a layer gold and another superthin layer of glass on top of that. I have an etsy shop, and I also do fine craft shows--I'm getting ready for one on July 25-26 in Delaware. I'm glad you liked the avatar mosaic. There's colored gold smalti in that one.

ChinaMaine--That is so cool that you got your cards out to deal with the desire to drink after a stressful day! Keep taking care of your shoulder.

wndranne--Kudos on the small steps. Any step is better than no step--no matter what the sabotaging thoughts say. Even a smaller than small step--and yours sound much bigger than that!

RobinW--Biking for ice cream is the best way to go! Congrats on getting the family involved, and having fun.

Me Too--I like your image of Beck's support walking around in your mind. Challenging the sabotaging thinking makes a big difference in my peace of mind, and changing my behavior.

MaryBlu--:wave:

ChinaMaine
07-14-2009, 09:13 PM
The elliptical just sucks the life out of me. I did 7 mins again today and was tired the rest of the day. :( Work is stressful, I have a face-to-face with the customer next week, and it’s all my show. Baby steps, I’ll get there and this phase of the project is over in about 3 weeks. I can’t wait! The good news is that food is good, everyone is healthy and happy. :)

:df: WI-down 1.25 lbs. Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op. Exercise – op.

Margaret Sounds like a great day – credit! Sauce mouth – never heard of that one. :lol: It sounds like you are getting in a good groove.

BillBlueEyes
07-15-2009, 05:59 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Eating OP, included cold corn-on-the-cob at lunch; CREDIT moi. Sugar snaps from the farmer's market were crisp and fresh. Peaches on my breakfast granola were juicy and sweet. Yeah for the bounty of summer.

Vacation Vignette (9): Last hours of the trip were spent at the Hong Kong airport, the most international place I've ever been - more so than London even. Every national dress I'd ever seen plus some were about. Spent part of my time photographing the tail designs on the aircraft; there were planes from some Middle Eastern countries that were new to me.

We were between meals trying to preempt the onslaught of food that would be served on the 15 hour flight home. Blew our minds to see a Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream stand and had to have some.

Now the "large" dish, which we split, was rather modest in size. We spent $68 RMB, about US$9, which seemed like a bargain at the time, particularly since I only had Yuan (¥) of the mainland in my pocket and it had to be spent because it cannot be redeemed outside of the country. Change from ¥ was returned in RMB. I never figured out why my guide books said that ¥ and RMB were the same, yet they were converted in Hong Kong at about 10% difference.

Told the server that I'd been to the factory in Vermont. He gave me that blank look like, "Where's Vermont?"


Anne (wndranne) - Kudos for a 3.5 mile run and Double Kudos for taking your small steps.

Tera (twilit tera) - Kudos for working your way back. Yeah for maternally inherited stubbornness.

ChinaMaine - Ouch for the lingering shoulder problem. Honking Big Kudos for using your Response Cards when you wanted to go off plan after work. It's so nice to be reminded that the basic steps of Beck are the tools of choice when tempted, and that they work!

Neat reminder in that Colbert Report that US citizens are frequently a bit blind about the civics of other countries.

Oooops . . . apparently reading before my morning coffee. . . .
Anne :wave:

. . .
BTW Bill, my name isn’t Anne.

Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Kudos for Zumba and staying the course with food. Your phrase "sauce mouth" is so good for those of us who would tend to pour Maple Syrup with a heavy hand. "Smalti" sent me to Wiki - what neat stuff. And to imagine that it was invented eons ago.

Yep, I'll dig up my white bean recipe and post it. Cold bean salads are such a treat in the summer.


Readers - Remember, the bread will be tempting, but I can resist it. It's more important to me to lose weight. It I eat the bread, I'll get immediate pleasure, but afterwards I'll feel worse.

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 27

RobinW
07-15-2009, 10:22 AM
Good Morning!

Im am off for a wine tasting and sailing cruise tonight with the girls! Should be a blast. I have to remember to bring my camera and take lots of pictures.

Food is just bad. But I think I have something figured out. It is such a struggle to get the sugar cravings under control, and keep them there. In the past I had done atkins with amazing success. The failure came when maintanence started.

So Ive been really bothered with why I can't get it to work "this" time. Meaning...why after 3 weeks does my body tell me ENOUGH and Im right back into the marshmallow bags? Ive been reading the potatoes not prozac, and I think I have it figured out! :cb: The last time I successfully did atkins was before I could get prilosec (heartburn meds) over the counter. I used to eat Tums like candy. Because Im one of those ppl who gets heart burn from water :rolleyes:

So even tho I was following the plan I was still getting little doses of sugar all day. Talk about a light bulb moment! I really dont want to go back to eating tums everyday. So I need to figure out how to replace that daily sugar with something else. Im working on it.

Bill~ I did get my bike bought, its a pretty baby blue beauty! Bunches of gears I havent a clue what to do with. I had a 12 speed....and never used most of those. This one apparently has 20something speeds. I can go fast like crazy :lol:

ChinaMaine~ The elliptical just sucks the life out of me. I did 7 mins again today and was tired the rest of the day I still think those machines are torture! Be sure to take kudos for making it 7 min!

Nuxmaga~ Kudos for keeping your sauce in check!!

Anne~ Tera~ :wave:

Anyone going to see the new Harry Potter movie? I think Ive talked dh into coming with me and dd. Should be fun!

Have a great day everyone!

RobinW
07-15-2009, 04:45 PM
.....my dd just asked me if she could go to the movies this weekend with a boy! Im soooooooo not liking this growing up part!! I know its only going to get worse too.

visions of marshmallows are dancing in my head...I need to squash them!

ChinaMaine
07-15-2009, 04:47 PM
Robin - Would tic-tacs work? -- ChinaMaine

RobinW
07-15-2009, 10:51 PM
no tic tacs are hard and crunchy :lol:

I got thru it, I missed dinner but had a bit of wine (tasting) and had a nice dinner when I got home. Saved!

Here is a pic of us girls on the sail boat wine tasteing cruise. (Im in the middle)

Nuxmaga
07-15-2009, 10:59 PM
Today was lunch with a friend, a Greek salad as big as my head. . .but I asked for dressing on the side, and they gave me two big containers full. . .and enough feta to feed a crowd, but I ate less than half of it. Credit. Zumba, credit, tracking my food, credit. Down 2 pounds--yay! It seems almost miraculous--I have a tendency to view my successes as if an alien from mars zapped me with a laser and changed all my thinking, rather than the fact that I am working on this. I'm sure Beck has a lot to say about this.

AnneWonders
07-15-2009, 11:52 PM
Coaches/Buddies On plan today. Degunked the bikes this morning. Feeling committed to the process again. Not that I'm feeling especially happy about that, mind you, but I really do have NO CHOICE. I'd rather be moping and thin(ner), than moping and fat. So on I march.

:wave: to everyone. Thumbs up on that bike, Robin.

Anne

BillBlueEyes
07-16-2009, 05:17 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Eating OP; CREDIT moi. Gym, albeit a tad wimpy; CREDIT moi. Drinking my protein shake strokes my testosterone ego so that I then have to go. I might upgrade that shake to a Beck CBT strategy since I look forward to it and am then committed to going to the gym.

At the farmer's market a guy was selling artisan smoked blue fish, so bought three ounces to go with our gazpacho for dinner, which we ate outside on the patio pretending that it was summer. A little smoked fish goes a long way. Yeah for moderation. Before my journey I never would have bought so little, and at $25/pound, would never have bought more, LOL.


Robin (RobinW) - Kudos for making it through dinner until you got home. Interesting insight into the daily trickle intake of sugar. Do hope you find a suitable substitute - even one of the Lifesavers that look like Tums might trick the brain. I've used ChniaMaine's suggestion of Tic-Tacs before when I needed a sugar hit. By the by, I dropped both my prescription and my over-the-counter heartburn meds after I lost my weight - one of those unexpected benefits.

Thanks for the sailing picture. Is one of those young adults your 13 year old?

Yep, you absolutely need to stop this boy-girl stuff right now; On a family thread I'm not allowed to tell you what's on the mind of that teenage boy, LOL. Sending supportive thoughts for these next eight years. I am soooooo glad to be on the other side of that.


Anne (wndranne) - Yeah for NO CHOICE and moping forward.

Degunking your bikes reminds me of my sculpture friend when I asked him what he did when faced with "Artist Block." He said he sharpened his chisels.


ChinaMaine - Waving back.

Margaret (Nuxmaga) - I recognize the thought, "view my successes as if an alien from mars zapped me with a laser and changed all my thinking." Yeah for the alien; hopefully, in time, your instinct will recognize her as you, but for now it's a neat thought to have a friendly alien on board.


Readers - If you can identify the triggers that evoke sabotaging thoughts and lead you to eat in unhelpful ways, you can minimize your exposure to them or change your response to them.

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 28

RobinW
07-16-2009, 11:00 AM
Good Morning

Hi Bill~ the other ladies are both around my age. I didnt take my dd because they were serving wine. But her and I are scheduled to go next month. I think she'll like it. The crew gets the folks on board involved in hoisting the sails and whatnot. Its fun for the kids too. They even have pirate tours and treasure hunts for the kids...sounds like a great bit of fun.

Sounds like a very lovely dinner! Kudos for good choices!

Anne~ Kudos for getting on with it!

Nuxmaga~ Kudos for eating only half your salad...those greek salads get huge, its like eating a veggie patch!! :lol:

Not alot going on today, chillin' with my girl, then I have to go into the shop for 3:30.

Have a great day everyone!

irishune
07-16-2009, 02:14 PM
Hi everyone
Another new starter.Have been lurking for a while as not sure I will be a great poster but I am impressed by the committment of all the regulars and I wanted to say it means a lot to me and no doubt others like me.I live in Ireland and am sure there are other Beckies about but I have not come across any.
I bought the book a week ago and am working through it.I need to think things out before I can really add anything.
Hope to post again
Une

ChinaMaine
07-16-2009, 02:36 PM
Hi Une!

:welcome3:

My DH and I honeymooned in Ireland 15 years ago. It was one of our favorite trips! Where in Ireland do you live?

irishune
07-16-2009, 03:43 PM
In the North of Ireland,County Down. I live beside the sea and the Mourne Mountains.Very pretty area.Thanks for the welcome.

ChinaMaine
07-16-2009, 09:02 PM
I have only exercised 10 minutes in the last 2 days. I’ve been very fatigued, working 10+ hours a day, and not getting much sleep. I think tonight I’ll sleep pretty well – I’m just that tired. Worse has been my attitude, not very Beckian at all. I finished work yesterday, got up and linked arms with my adolescent fat chick and pulled out the gin and tonics. :( We sloshed the g&t’s and said ‘I don’t care!’ Oh well…

The good news is that I resisted the post-dinner munchies, so my total calories yesterday was well under my daily max. Credit! There really is something to be said for building daily habits, because they saved me yesterday. Today, I just was too busy to eat breakfast. Again, my overall calories are well under my typical. But I know being offplan like this will bite me in the rear, if I don’t get back on track soon.

:df: WI-down 1.25 lbs. Read my cards, made a plan Wed, but not Thurs. Food – off-plan Exercise – off-plan.

To quote Tera, tomorrow I will be SO on plan. For both exercise and food. :D

Margaret Sounds like a great day – credit! Sauce mouth – never heard of that one. :lol: It sounds like you are getting in a good groove.

Re being zapped by a laser. I think this is why giving yourself credit constantly is a core part of her routine. Eventually, if you keep catching yourself working hard, you’ll believe you do. So credit for those 2 lbs and the hard work that made them melt away!

Bill hmmmm – peaches sound so good.

Robin boys --- oh man. ;) ouch for visions of marshmallows, but kudos for getting it under control. Nice! That your wine cruise was such fun. The pic is great!

:yay: for the bikes, I think I forgot that last time…

Tera :wave: hope all is well!

Anne :yay: for No Choice. It’s good to know that when all else fails, No Choice is always there. :)

Une I’ve never been to Northern Ireland, the Troubles were still in full swing when we planned our trip. (But I distinctly remember the morning, toward the end of our trip, when we heard the IRA had declared a ceasefire. Of course it didn’t stick that time, but it was a step in the road…) But the photos and descriptions I see online of the area around the Mourne Mountains looks gorgeous. It looks like an area with a lot of outdoor activities like hiking and mountain climbing. Do you partake?
Which book do you have?

Nuxmaga
07-16-2009, 10:06 PM
Took a lunchtime walk, credit. Tracked food, credit. Only ate one of the two donuts I bought, and brought the other one home to weigh, because this is an independent donut shop and they are huge, almost 4 ounces! Then I gave it to my husband, yay!

ChinaMaine: I finished work yesterday, got up and linked arms with my adolescent fat chick and pulled out the gin and tonics. We sloshed the g&t’s and said ‘I don’t care!’ Oh well…

Yeah, g&t's can really bring out the inner adolescent! Kudos for falling back on your good habits and staying under calories. Yes, hopefully Beck's credit system will sink in, and I will see that it's me doing the work.

Irishune--Welcome!

Bill--We just got a farmer's market in our town, and boy would like a vendor of smoked fish! Congrats on savoring a small portion. Yes, it is nice to think of a friendly alien on board for now until I can recognize I'm doing the work.

RobinW--hope you are sorting out the sugar issues. I think Beck talks about counting up the "hard hours" to put the struggles in perspective--maybe that would help?

wndranne & tera--:wave:

AnneWonders
07-16-2009, 10:49 PM
Coaches/Buddies Migraine today. I'm calling a do-over tomorrow.

Anne

irishune
07-17-2009, 03:37 AM
ChinaMaine
Glad you enjoyed Ireland.
The Mournes are a fantastic area to hike etc but I am just so unfit I can't do it.This is one of the items on my response card.I have joined a gym but have real problems making myself go.At the minute that is nearly a bigger struggle than sticking to my eating plan.I have bought the original book and continue to work through it.I completely related to the "adolescent fat chick" and the drinks.At the weekends I find it a struggle to forgo a few glasses of red wine or g+ts completely so I limit them (with mixed success) and Guiness has to be completely banned.I am going to a wedding tomorrow and will drive so as to keep to my plan.Well done me!

Nuxmaga those donuts sound good.Well done you!

BillBlueEyes
07-17-2009, 05:03 AM
:welcome: Une (irishune) :welcome:

And, in honor of your first post on 3FC, :wel3fc:

How did you find out about the Beck Diet Solution?

And how did you find out about this thread on 3FC?

BillBlueEyes
07-17-2009, 05:40 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - The food pusher at work outdid himself; his DW sent in a homemade tart that was half blueberries and was covered with fresh strawberries. Had a slice. It was totally worth it. Compensated by skipping my afternoon snack. CREDIT moi for at least compensating. Scale read up one pound which I perceive as punishment for my transgression. So much for rational thinking about food and weight gain, LOL.

Walk was re-directed to buying a bulb for the brake light for my car so I can get it inspected today. Welcome back to the realities of post-vacation. But I bumped into some strawberries on sale so it wasn't all drudgery; CREDIT moi.


Robin (RobinW) - Yay for "chillin' with my girl." Yay for those precious years when she's still speaking to you, LOL.

Anne (wndranne) - Double Ouch for the head, may a a good night's sleep bring it ease.

ChinaMaine - Ouch for working too long and sleeping too little. (This seems to have become the sleep deprived thread, LOL.) Kudos for keeping to your calorie total, even if wandering a bit off plan. And Kudos for "tomorrow I will be SO on plan."

Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Yay for a new farmer's market; may you spend many hours indulging in new and fresh food choices. And Kudos for donating that second donut - four ounces of donut sounds HUGE.

Une (irishune) - Glad you're here. Thanks for the opportunity to google County Down and the Mourne Mountains; Good Grief, what a gorgeous corner of the world! A new addition to my gotta-go-there list.

Consider simply posting what Beck Day you're reading. Many of us like to be reminded of the steps and you might find we jump in with our own memories of our first pass through them. Are you already making your Advantages Cards?


Readers - which muscle are you strengthening?

Throughout the pages of The Beck Diet Solution, you'll find that I often refer to two "muscles": your resistance muscle and your giving in muscle. I'm actually talking about your tendency to think and act in certain ways.
. . .

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 29

irishune
07-17-2009, 12:01 PM
Thanks Bill for the great welcome.
I was surfing when I first came on 3FC and i have no idea why I clicked on the Beck Page.That was quite a while ago and it was interesting to me but I didn't buy the book at the time and drifted away from the site eventually.However there was an article in the Sunday Times (a British broadsheet) a few weeks ago and I remembered about this site.I lurked again for a while and then decided that this was for me.
I could write my own diet book as I have been on so many diets over the last 25 years so its not lack of understanding about nutrition that is my problem.It is always giving up at the first sign of a setback.I quit so I can tell myself quickly that I chose to quit not that I failed.I know thats why I didn't want to register and post in case I am not "good eneough"or have to admit I'm struggling etc.I know this is crazy.I can see everyone else struggles too which is why I'm doing it.
I am reading Day 7 and the thing that resonates with me each day is the "What are you thinking"section.I can identify each day with the sabotaging thoughts and I know I will never change if I don't get these under control.I am also going to commit to eating sitting down and eating slowly and mindfully as these areas are also a problem for me.

Best Wishes to everyone else.Will get on board with being a supportive team member very soon! Just finding my feet here.

Une

Nuxmaga
07-17-2009, 10:13 PM
Zumba, credit. Tracked food, credit.

Had a surge of rationalizing about what I was eating--"I need this," or "Because I did better with this meal, I can eat this unplanned snack" etc.

I need to start using Beck's checklist in the back of the 2nd book, and work on making those steps a habit. I think it would help with the sabotaging thoughts.

BillBlueEyes
07-18-2009, 05:24 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Food OP; CREDIT moi. Did gym, slightly more, it's coming back; CREDIT moi. My legs feel as if they had never done a lunge before - kinda scary how soon they forget.

A little deal: Fully ten days after returning from vacation I finally tossed a package of cookies that were part of the bus snacks on vacation that had followed me home. The issue is that I eat other snacks around here so there's no room for cookies, and cookies make me want to have more cookies, but my brain wanted to keep these just in case. CREDIT moi of course, but Oh Well for taking so long. Staying on plan would be so easy if eating were controlled by the small intestine where calories are absorbed. But my eating is controlled by my eyes and brain, seemingly unrelated to signals from my digestive track.

Another little deal: Renewed my driver's license and I shortened myself by an inch. So I gave up my myth that I'm 5'10" and put down 5'9". Was kinda embarrassed once to read that women tend to fib about their weight and men fib about their height - just like I was doing. CREDIT moi for a small step toward accepting my body just as it is.


Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Kudos for recognizing Sabotaging Thoughts - that's certainly the major step to moving forward against them. That reminds me of onebyone's quote, "Anything worth fighting, fight back."

And Kudos for your consistent Zumba. Is that a chore for you or a joy?


Une (irishune) - Such a good reminder, "...its not lack of understanding about nutrition that is my problem." Yep, on another thread discussing whether to consult a dietitian the point was made that most folks who've been dieting for years already know all that stuff - it's staying on plan that's the issue. Methinks you're on the right track digging into Beck for that part. I do like the part of recognizing Sabotaging Thoughts and finding a Helpful Response.

Kudos for working Day 7: Arrange Your Environment. For me it was a slap upside the head to recognize that if I didn't want to eat cookies, I should remove them from the pantry. Duh!!! And that if I wanted to have fruit for my evening snack that I should buy some in advance so it'd be there. Duh again!!!


Readers - which muscle are you strengthening?
. . .
Every time you resist eating something you shouldn't, you're strengthening your tendency to resist in the future. However, each time you give in and eat something you shouldn't, you're strengthening your tendency to give in.
. . .
The Beck Diet Solution, pg 29

ChinaMaine
07-18-2009, 05:26 AM
It was a good day overall. I sent out the documents (400+ pages!) I’ll review next week, so that part is a fait accompli, so no reason to stress about it anymore. Starting Monday I’ll start stressing about leading a 3 day review meeting. So this weekend is stress-free! ;) Even better, the rain that was predicted didn’t show up until late at night and the day was beautiful, warm and sunny. :sunny:

:df: WI-up 0.75 lbs. Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op, Exercise – op.

Margaret Credit for bringing the donut home, and especially for giving it to DH! It sounds like you succeeded in combating sabotaging thoughts (I need this.) – Credit!

Anne So sorry about the migraine. I hope Friday was a better day…

Une I hear you about being unfit. I started Beck really out of shape, and have gotten much better. You’ll get fit, one step at a time. :) Yes limiting alcohol is a path I’ve taken too. Recently I’ve begun limiting drinking to weekends only, and even then sticking to the amount I’ve planned for. It works well *most* of the time. ;)

I have been on so many diets over the last 25 years so its not lack of understanding about nutrition that is my problem.It is always giving up at the first sign of a setback.I quit so I can tell myself quickly that I chose to quit not that I failed.I know thats why I didn't want to register and post in case I am not "good eneough"or have to admit I'm struggling etc.I know this is crazy.I can see everyone else struggles too which is why I'm doing it.
I am reading Day 7 and the thing that resonates with me each day is the "What are you thinking"section.I can identify each day with the sabotaging thoughts and I know I will never change if I don't get these under control.
It sounds like Beck is just the ticket for you. The book has helped me to deal with most of my sabotaging thoughts, most of the time. Good luck!

Bill Thanks for another episode of the Food Pusher series! :D The food he was pushing sounded absolutely wonderful – wish I could have joined you… Sad to see your signature has changed; perhaps you’ve reached the 5th stage of grief (acceptance)?

maryblu
07-18-2009, 10:07 AM
Happy weekend, Beckies,

Have been out of town on biz, well I guess the term for me would be "out of the country".....into the city.

Still no desire to eat even though I am hungry most of the time. Finally realized I needed to eat more, so did. Credit moi. Vanity won out. I know from the past when I restricted calories too much, I lost hair, a lot of it. So, the choice is skinny..or bald?!! As Beck would say, "No choice". I am sucking up the fresh pesto with relish, mostly on ww angel hair pasta, so don't worry about me; I am not anorexic or anything of the sort. I just need to get through this sad thing.

I do have my moments of great joy, believe me. I estimate 10 days at most away from peak garden(s) color. A wonderment of color; it already is pretty darned spectacular. I am sure there are many gardening experts would say "too much", but when it comes to flowers and color, I am downright promiscuous.

Raspberries are about as week away. Yay!

Speaking of vanity! lol. You did it again, BillBE..pointed out one of the great truths about men and women. Being on the tall side for a girl, I pay attention when men give their height. Here is the deal: If they are 6 ft. or over, they don't lie. They say 6'1", right on, etc, etc. The shorter they are, the more they lie. If they say 5'6", figure 5'4" at most. the only short guy I ever heard who doesn't lie is Robert Reich. Love the guy. So "cute"...lol..smart, too.

It was so funny to me when I finally got below the wt. I had lied about on my driver's license. I never admitted to more than 175#s. That was a 50# lie! Here is the payback. When I had my license renewed at my new low wt. ..the picture was really good..I changed my wt. ..they messed up and did NOT change it. My license said 175 for 4 more years..too much hassle to change..cosmic payback for lying, I guess.

Now all I lie about is my age. My Real Age is 10 years younger than my chronological, so I justify it that way.

My 2 cents about the alcohol thing. When I initially lost the 80#s, I only had 3 rules. I did not diet. I ate exactly what I wanted, just less of it. ..in some cases, a lot less, but I did not deny myself anything I wanted. My only 3 rules were:
1. No alcohol
2. Eat less
3. Move more

That was it. So simple. Eating out and drinking more led to the 20 # gain back, because I never quit "moving more". I am back to the "no alcohol" rule. It not only adds too many empty calories, it just makes me want more..more food and more alcohol.

So, for now, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

BillBlueEyes
07-19-2009, 05:11 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - OP food; CREDIT moi. Had both lunch and diner on our patio in pleasant weather. Watched a young squirrel try to climb an 18 inch shrub and, much to his surprise, just bent it to the ground, LOL. Didn't slow him down; he continued scampering about like a, well, young squirrel. Designed my walk along a route so that I could stop for a haircut; CREDIT moi.

And, in what will sound like a repeat story, I replaced a high beam headlight and got my other car inspected. Zowie, the inspection sticker was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of date, just begging for a (pricey) ticket. Don't know how I overlooked that, but it feels super to be covered. Ran it through the car wash first, feeding my belief that a shinny clean car passes inspection easier than a tired-looking car.


maryblu - Sitting here drooling over your pending raspberries and peak color (what a neat concept for a private garden - that term is used around here to describe the New Hampshire maple leaf color in the fall).

Kudos for doing making your choices about food; hope that works out. Hard not to notice that you chose angel hair pasta to restore your own, LOL.

Neat observation about men describing their own height - never heard that before. LOL at your "cosmic payback for lying."


ChinaMaine - Kudos for OP and OP; Yay that you didn't mention fatigue. Speaking of the unmentioned, is your Loon still around?

Yay for 400 pages of documents being gone. Ouch that you now have to review them. Double Ouch that you have only three days to do it. That's 133 pages a day. Sounds like a busy week. If we don't hear from you we'll send supporting thoughts anyway.

Yep, that's it, thanks for the insight; ending my vacation is a loss and all loses must be mourned.


Readers - which muscle are you strengthening?
. . .
So whenever you feel the urge to eat something you're not supposed to, think about which muscle you really want to strengthen. If you want to lose weigth and keep it off permanently, you need to take every opportunity to strengthen you resistance muscle not and to weaken your giving in muscle.

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 29

ChinaMaine
07-19-2009, 08:05 AM
It was really dreary here Saturday, until about 6 PM. So we got dinner ready and headed down to the lake to sit and soak it up. That was the highlight of the day. :) Before that I did my usual 45 mins of exercise + 7 mins of elliptical. Credit moi. My DH usually sleeps through my exercise time, but I was running late yesterday so he was working on his computer while I exercised. He wandered through while I was doing Plies with lateral raise using 5 lb weights. He exclaimed ‘That looks hard!’ – which was true (I was grunting quite a bit), and felt good. :) The rest of the day I spent shopping for clothes to wear to the meetings next week. (I hate shopping for clothes, but it’s much easier now than it was 6 months ago…)

:df: WI-down 1.25 lbs - new low! Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op, Exercise – op. Credit!



Bill Kudos for honesty about your height. :) Squirrels are hyperactive rascals at any age, but even more so when they are younger. Have you ever seen one of those Droll Yankee bird feeders? The one where the perch spins around and launches squirrels off? They are pricey so just pined for one for years. Finally my old not-so-squirrel-proof feeder broke irrevocably, and I bought a droll yankee. They work as advertised. It is hysterical to see a squirrel go flying off the spinning perch. :lol: I think I use a couple less pounds of feed a week, so the feeder will certainly pay for itself eventually…

maryblu Credit! For eating when you really aren’t inclined to. I envy you your pesto – my 3 basil plants just won’t grow. (grrr). I think I need to break down and buy a couple more to put in a pot. :yay: for almost peak garden color. I say more color the better!

BTW - I noticed (finally!) how much your ticker has moved recently. The last time I had looked you weighed 155, now 141!! Credit! I am sorry at least some of it is due to your sadness, but this is a very nice side benefit. So only 6 lbs to your final goal of 135 -- that is wonderful.

AnneWonders
07-19-2009, 11:26 AM
Heya my coaches! I'm finally (I think) past a 3 day headache which left me cranky. Getting it together today.

Anne

irishune
07-19-2009, 11:37 AM
Went to wedding yesterday. Wore my watch on my other arm to remind my self what was on my response cards.Everytime I looked at it I was mindful mof what was happening. Ate as I had planned and had no alcohol and am delighted with myself today.Had a laugh reading about stating weight on driving licence.That is not required here and I got such an unpleasant shock a few years ago when I lived for a while in the US and applied for a licence.Took about 30 lbs off of course but still hated that it was required.My challenge for myself this coming week is to do some exercise every day and to write down my eating plan for the day.Raining here in Ireland today.Hope you all are having a nice day where you are.

Nuxmaga
07-19-2009, 09:15 PM
10,000 steps, credit. Had to intentionally leave the house and walk to get the steps, since I spent most of the day in the studio getting ready for my craft show. Tracked food, credit. Up 0.8 of a pound, sigh. Beck wants us to get used to variations in weight, but I don't have much practice yet since I used to weight myself very rarely.

irishune--congrats on your strategy of putting your watch on the wrong arm to remind you of your response cards, and sticking to your plan.

wndranne--hope the getting it together process is moving along.

ChinaMaine--400 pages sounds quite daunting! Kudos for getting it out. Credit on persisting with the elliptical.

MaryBlu--I'm with you, the more color in a garden, and in life, the better! Credit for taking care of yourself and eating more.

Bill--Congrats on getting back to the gym! And wonderful for throwing out those cookies! Zumba is mostly a joy for me--I love the music, and this is the first time I've done aerobic exercise, so I'm pleased I am getting more coordinated, and make it through. I started a year ago. I was always the last picked in gym class in school, so to do any physical activity is huge. Sometimes I really envy the ones in their 20's who can give an extra bounce to every step--I definitely don't have that kind of energy.

BillBlueEyes
07-20-2009, 05:54 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Since my birthday is in July, we celebrated with dinner with the kids last night with grilled salmon and grilled veggies on the patio. I ate well - tipped to the high end of On Plan because of black olives for appetizers - CREDIT moi. For the second year we had a birthday watermelon instead of my long traditional Boston Creme Pie; it didn't seem as strange as last year, just like this is what we do for Bill. Yay for Beck's notion of training your brain. Had too much of a whole wheat sour dough bread that was a gift; Oh Well.

Since I'm going to be busy after work today, I did gym yesterday; CREDIT moi. Not yet back to where I was before vacation, but slowly gaining. On a warm, sunny, summer Sunday afternoon it's almost a private gym.


Anne (wndranne) - Ouch for that mighty migraine; Kudos for coming out only at the cranky level. On another thread, it's being reported as 113 degrees Fahrenheit in the Mojave Desert areas; are you guys that hot?

ChinaMaine - Yay for a having a supportive husband. Yay for 45 minutes of exercise plus elliptical time. And Yay for the weather brightening up dinner by the lake.

Kudos for shopping for clothes for your document review. Good luck with that this week. I hope you finish all 400 pages in three days. Do you then have to adjudicate and accumulate the changes and update the document?

Yep, I've seen that Droll Yankee bird feeder. First time was in a store before I had heard about it's mechanical response when I casually touched it and it zipped around; thought I'd have a heart attack on the spot, LOL.


Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Kudos for wearing a pedometer to remind you to break out of your studio to go get some exercise. And Kudos for 10,000 steps.

Yay for Zumba being a joy. Yep, I know about that comparison stuff; I find myself comparing my gym workout to the young things easily doing twice as much. Gotta watch out for that.


Une (irishune) - Big Kudos for the CBT strategy of wearing your watch on the other hand to remind you about mindful eating during a wedding. And Kudos for eating On Plan, including no alcohol, when facing, I presume, unusually good foods.

Good luck with your exercise plan this week; I hope the weather in your beautiful corner of Ireland improves to encourage that.


Readers - Just as the decision to eat can reduce tension, the decision not to eat can also reduce tension.

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 31

eusebius
07-20-2009, 06:57 AM
Coaches/Buddies - I'll tell you straight up what happens to me these days: I get overwhelmed. And 72 days of Beck activities - well, that is seriously enough to overwhelm me. So ... one day at a time. I think the week 1 activities are getting pretty solid now, so I'll focus on week 2, starting with Day 8. It might take me a bit longer this time, though.

I am officially starting WW points counting today, and you'll notice my weight tracker below is set to reflect my initial 5-pound goal. I'm giving myself a week of just counting points, and not worrying about exercise until next week. I hope this will reduce the overwhelm factor.

Greetings and cheers to you all - I will be back for personals soon. Une - welcome!! Great to have you with us.

best
Erika

AnneWonders
07-20-2009, 07:52 AM
Coaches/buddies: My three day headache was sporting for four. I broke down and took some imitrex, which about killed me last time I tried it, and whammo! NO HEADACHE. Nothing, nada, no little last dregs, or almost gone, or I think maybe it's OK nows. Y'all can start calling me James Brown. I may go buy stock in the company.

Anywho. I got caught up on my life last night. Ate too much and enjoyed it all. Giant bar-style burger loaded with mushrooms and homemade french fries at a kid's place. I don't mind stuff like that, its the bits and pieces of unenjoyable calories that I resent, and need to get out of my life. Trying once again to get back into routine to make that happen. I feel so good today even work isn't stressing me out!

Also talked to my tri coach yesterday. I love her. We compared mid-life crises. She wins. Anyway, my assignment is to stop taking something that is supposed to be fun so seriously, and if my runs or whatever aren't going well, it isn't the end of the world. I don't need to add that stress to everything else.

I guess I'm chatty today. :wave: to everyone. Kids are waking in a few minutes, so no personals again. Has anyone seen onebyone? I worry.

Also BillBE, it was, get this, 115 degrees, yep that's degrees Fahrenheit, in the shade on my back porch yesterday, here in the heart of the Sonoran desert. Cooled off some after an afternoon monsoon thunderstorm, which is the most amazing weather pattern ever as far as I'm concerned. Makes me a little giddy. But I'm dancing around like a crazy woman today anyway, because no pain after lots of it feels extra special good. Whoop!

Anne

ChinaMaine
07-20-2009, 09:34 AM
A perfect Maine day yesterday – with all the rain we’ve had this year I’m so grateful we seem to be getting one fantastic day each weekend. It was DH’s b-day yesterday, so he called the shots. :) He needed my help getting the dock set up, so we did that before lunch. It looks great! After lunch we went to Popham Beach and walked for about 90 minutes on the beach. It was sunny, breezy with big poofy white clouds. The beach was busy, but not crowded the way NJ beaches are. Then we went to our favorite lobster shack for the most tender, delicious lobster EVER. And the light was gorgeous so I ran around after dinner taking pics; I hope a couple come out. :) Then we drove home, and had ice cream with strawberries. Although I was offplan most of the day, the calories came out in the end. Although my sat fat was higher than usual. Oh well…

:df: WI-up 1.25 lbs. Read my cards, made a plan (and then threw it out the window). Food – off plan, Exercise – op.

That's it for now -- I'll try to catch up on personals later today. :sunny:

kuhljeanie
07-20-2009, 02:09 PM
hiya everyone! god, it’s wonderful to read this thread again.

feels like it's been forever - kind of another lifetime, sort of. i started work again last week – old company, new client. being unemployed made me aware of some things about how i’d been feeling in my career that i wasn’t aware of before, with all the rushing and craziness. now that i’m back i’m feeling it a lot more acutely. not sure what i’m going to do about it, but i can’t pretend that it’s like it was before. well, the job is, but i’m not. a public forum probably isn’t the best place to discuss. so anyhoo…

i gained about four pounds the last few weeks of unemployment. not stellar, but since i’ve been maintaining at a serious new low for me i can live with it. i’ve already taken off one of them – more to come. haven’t worked beck specifically but will be getting back to the basics. right now, between the commute and el nino (we now refer to him as Captain Demando – 29 lbs of pure, unadultered I want! I need! No! You do THIS, mommy!) i’ve been getting up at 5:00 so i have time to work out and passing out around 11:00 when the tired finally forces my brain to shut down. will need some real project management brilliance to develop a solution to my time management “challenge.” going back to bistro just isn’t an option anymore.

the good news is that the Cincinnati house has been officially on the market for over 3 weeks, and we’ve had lots of showings. it’s just a matter of time until the right person walks through the door. in the meantime, i’ve got a quick-hit list of cheapie updates to the Dayton house to get me through until we have the money to make a real difference. each one is an evening or one-weekend-day project – i’m going to try and get a single thing done each week. just keep chipping away until i like the house i live in.

so for now, no marathons, no new classes (although i signed up for something in the fall, sigh.) not sure if i’ll actually take it or not. i’m going to focus on getting the happy habits and behaviors back in place in a sustainable way, and taking off another 15 lbs by October (20th high school reunion. i can’t freakin’ believe it.) so this, and figure out what career 2.0 might look like. (thank you SO MUCH onebyone. you are amazing.)

hi to everyone i don’t know! i still need to get caught back up with everyone’s lives – it might take me some time to get my sealegs again. thanks in advance for being patient with me!

RobinW
07-20-2009, 03:29 PM
:wave: Im here and behaving....but it's not easy *blah

Nuxmaga
07-20-2009, 10:07 PM
A quick check-in. Tracking food, credit. Zumba, credit. Measured out my snacks, and didn't eat rest of container! Delayed my walk at lunch until I only had a little time. Sigh. But I did go out for a few minutes.

onebyone
07-21-2009, 12:36 AM
Hello coaches

well I am recovered, mostly, from the art in the park I put on with my friend this past Saturday. As new show organizers for this 4th year of this particular show we tried really really hard to make serious improvements to the show and I think we succeeded. i say "think" as I spent the majority of my day at a 12' x 5' mural painting project ( see artformiles.org) and jumping for the small containers of paint before they spilled everytime there was a wind gust. It was the best thing for me to be doing as I was positively obsessed with every dark cloud in the sky. At set up time we were in a major downpour that lasted two hours, complete with thunder and lightning BUT we set up our metal framed tent (I know-lightning doesn't equal safety under a metal framed tent but there you have it) and my partner in this venture set out to bring back our FREE fair trade coffee with all the fixin's donated by the local coffeehouse and as the artists arrived with stunned and worried looks there we were, kvetching beneath the canopy, coffee in hand letting them know it's just rain, do what you feel is safe for your work, the show doesn't start yet so we're not calling it off and then i saw 3 intrepid artists start to set up in the downpour. As the rain let up a bit a few more set up then more. Then the sun came out and everyone clapped. I didn't sell a thing but I was bu-sy. Seems it was a good show to have done. Maybe next year I'll do it*oh the irony*.

So ALL my big obligations are now DONE. Last week we got the KISS concert in, got the place cleaned for the SIL, saw GreenDay the night before the art show... all done. :D And I had an interview posted about me on the net today to put the icing on the cake. The grad show ends this Saturday and *I* have managed to squeeze in a very short visit to Nova Scotia to visit the Folk Art festival, a one day only event, a week from this coming Sunday from 12-4. 1500 km there and back. I will have a ball! SO GLAD we are going away for a bit.

So all is good but my weight is still a big issue. it's now settled at 269-273. Whoa. I am all big round tummy. No exercise. No real attempt to track food lately. No nothing except eating pizza and wings and whatever is fast. Tonight I cooked so it's a start back. Tomorrow is movie day and I am going to pursue the swimming and the gym yet again. I have my full life back.

:wave: to everyone, old and new. Nice to be back here... and a BIG welcome back to kuhljeanie... this is for you: :welcome:

BillBlueEyes
07-21-2009, 06:29 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Faced two big eating events yesterday. Was stellar for the first; CREDIT moi. Got a little carried away with dried cherries and roasted pecans at the second but stuck to the sparkling water even though the spirits were flowing. Oh Well. Saw some friends I hadn't seen in 30 years; was awash in old memories that came back as we talked, including a trip to Bimini in 1969 - the hang out place of Adam Clayton Powell. Not that's a loooong time ago.

Jean (kuhljeanie) - What a delightful end to "feels like it's been forever." Congrats for having a new client and back into the rat race, plus BIG Congrats for having the Cincinnati house on the market - that must be some BIG relief.

Good luck with getting your "happy habits and behaviors back in place in a sustainable way." Feels like posting here is getting that off to a good start.


onebyone - Congrats on being "recovered." Your Art in the Park festival sounds like a gas; congrats for keeping the faith even while the downpour was in progress. I love the image of you calmly sitting having coffee without showing your own stress at the weather.

And congrats for working in your upcoming trip to Nova Scotia. Can't wait to hear how that goes, especially since it's likely to further increase your recovery.


Robin (RobinW) - Sending supportive thoughts for when it's not easy. At least you can take solace that Buffalo doesn't know from 115 degrees Fahrenheit.

Anne (wndranne) - Yay for getting that 'ole Anne spirit back. Neat distinction between an enjoyable splurge that satisfies versus the unenjoyable ongoing overeating that simply packs on the pounds. And Kudos for getting some perspective from your trainer on reducing stress.

Yikes for "115 Fahrenheit in the shade." Makes me shudder. And then monsoon rain with lightning and thunder. Takes a hardy soul to live in the desert.


ChinaMaine - That walk on the beach ending with lobster does, indeed, sound like the ideal Maine day. And all that while staying within calories (even if "off plan.") You certainly know how to prepare for your upcoming hard days of work.

Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Kudos for going out for a little walk when that was all the time left. Neat to pre-measure your snacks to avoid eating the rest of the container.

Erika (eusebius) - Yay for Day 8: Create Time and Energy. Great place to be when feeling overwhelmed. (Even though it probably won't help, feel free to think of Beck's 6 week program as only 42 days, LOL.)

And Kudos for choosing a five pound goal - that's kicking in a good Beck strategy to get the cosmos back to right sized.


Readers - the solution at a glance

• Eating is not automatic. You can learn to take control.
. . .

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 32.

ChinaMaine
07-21-2009, 06:51 AM
I'm off to my 3 day review meeting. I have plans in mind for eating at an off-site. As usual, being celiac helps (no thanks, I'll skip the pizza/donuts/cookies). But isn't an answer to all challenges. :) 'No choice' is my mantra...

I'm down .75 lbs from Sunday. Was op all the way yesterday. I'll try to stop by tomorrow night. (We go out for drinks & dinner with the client tonight. :( )

maryblu
07-21-2009, 08:14 AM
Welcome home, Kuhljeanie. Great to see you and glad for your update.

Given all the over-achievers (I mean that in the best possible way: smart, talented, driven women..plus one such man :-)) We should write a book about how we can achieve/do anything in our lives except control our weight. We could each write our own story and just do a book of essays. It is a story of our generation; I see it *all the time.

Having gotten back to where I ended my wt. loss journey 4 yrs. ago (exactly; I got down to 138 and held there a cuppla months before floating up to 143 and maintaining that for a cuppla years) gives me great pleasure. It is just a #, but I will take pleasure in it for now. Not a maintainer yet, as I want to get below my goal wt. and have that be my red line. It is going to require another mind set when I get there. I still marvel at BillBE and some of the most successful maintainers that they exercise their resistance muscle *almost all of the time, and get great satisfaction from it.

I wonder if we could all capture the feeling of what gives us the most satisfaction in our lives...a great run, successful triathalon competition, perfectly performed piano piece, satisfied client, great art show....if we could capture that and feel the same satisfaction with exercising our resistance muscle, for realizing we becoming healthier, more immune to the beckoning call of fat, sodium, and sugar..if we could put that satisfaction front and center..because this issue will be with us always..

Weather is cool, but lovely. Still lush green with lots of rainfall. My flowers love it, the herbs, too; the veggies, not so much. I will take it without guilt. Winter is coming.

Raspberries are ripe! Yay!

eusebius
07-21-2009, 10:13 AM
Hi all,

Day 1 of WW was a success - kept on plan with eating. That is really my only goal for this week. I have a great deal of trouble accepting the voices inside that scream, "What do you mean, your only goal? shouldn't you clean the whole house, relandscape the backyard, weed the garden (again), sort through your daughter's clothes, learn all your fall recital repertoire, train for another half-marathon, and start a strength-training program? Oh and what about those program notes? And your poor neglected daughter?" As a result of depression, pretty much all of those things tend to go out the window, i gain 20 pounds and my house looks like the before picture in an extreme home makeover TV show. I remember Charlie Brown talking about taking a class in "remedial living" ... sometimes I feel like I need that.

OH WELL. At least I stayed on plan. Credit moi.

Anne, you are doing terrifically well. I want to have that feeling of dancing around like a crazy woman. That sounds amazing.

ChinaMaine - What a beautiful Sunday you had. Amazing that you stayed w/in calories and did exercise even with the special occasion. Congrats on the .75!!

Jean! Great to see you back! Glad to hear some positive changes are happening for you.

Robin - nope it ain't easy LOL!! Keep it goin'!

Nuxmaga - great work keeping those habits going.

onebyone - welcome back!! Exciting stuff happening on the art front. How terrific that you'll get to go to NS ... I just love it there. What a great feeling to have your life back!

Bill - Great job on your eating events!! 42 days, yeah, that's better ROFL!!

maryblu - re achieving anything we want to in our lives - hahahaha. see above ;) Seriously, you have an excellent point. The satisfaction is what we are going for ... how ironic that it is right here in front of our noses!

Off to have a shower and try to figure out which of the 20 things listed above I should work on. Or just watch some more of Season 2 of LOST. LOL!!

cheers
Erika

twilit tera
07-21-2009, 10:24 AM
Hello, Beckbuddies old and new!

Brief check in. I guess I'm not yet at the point where I can update daily as I'd like. Everything has been dragging recently... weightloss efforts, launching my website, making hip progress...

I've been holding steady at just under 220, which is outstanding, all things considered. I sure appreciate being able to use Mom's pool when I'm there. This week was an especially long shift, since one of Mom's friends is out of town this week. In order to cover for her I was "on the clock" from last thursday morning til this morning. I'll be going back again this thursday through Saturday.

Mom's been up and down. She's had back problems, in part because she hasn't been able to keep up with her exercises. More recently her pain and sleeping meds have been making her feel queezy and last night she was running a fever. She's at the hospital for her regularly scheduled post-transplant clinic right now. I should have some news this afternoon.

Regarding my hip after WEEKS of trying to get Golden Cross to make use of the x-rays I got at Parker, the Dr. finally just told me she "didn't have time" to try using the disc Parkeer'd given me and "prefered I just got new x-rays ad the hospital." Grr! I was angry, and in a great deal of pain. In tears on the x-ray table, and I've been depressed since.

At least today there should be something done! I expect her to go over the x-rays and say "here's a referral to the orthopedic surgeon, call this number."

My bills are over $1k now, and I don't even have a diagnosis.

At least the health reform website I built is officially launched today (even though my laptop is kaput). If anyone would like a link, please PM me your email addy.

Weight - steady
pain - average
depression - high
beck - out the window *sigh*

ChinaMaine
07-21-2009, 11:22 AM
Tera - :hug: :hug: :hug: grrr doctors grrr

irishune
07-21-2009, 11:51 AM
Hi Everyone
I have been OP for food and exercise and am happy with myself.I am joining a Slimming World group and will do GL as my backup.
AS I said in an earlier post I am grateful to everyone who posts (especially Bill) because it I realize it takes so much committment and and time. I am positive that there are a lot of people reading the posts who will never post themselves but are hooked on everybodies stories and are inspired by the normality of the stories and how the struggle crosses all divides (and countries).
I shall continue to read the book and try and integrate what I'm learning.
It's a beautiful afternoon here.Really lifts your spirits when the rain ends but as Maryblu says----it does make everything green and lush.

FutureFitChick
07-21-2009, 03:51 PM
Hello!

I just got the Beck book yesterday and am just starting out. I think I am going to try SuperFoods/whole foods, with Weight Watchers as my backup. I like the book so far.

onebyone
07-21-2009, 09:17 PM
Evening Coaches

I think I'm going to re-start my workbook tomorrow. I need to start back somehow and that sounds like a good place to begin. This time I will take as long as it takes to really "get it".

I still didn't see much improvement in my behaviour. I think I have thoroughly disconnected from how big I am and since my body pain is mostly gone now I feel like the "crisis" has passed...yet I know unless I get this weight off I am not getting better at all. I need it gone.

I also cannot even begin to picture myself smaller. I can't visualize it. Let me visualize dancing fish and moose relaxing in a chair, I can do that, but see myself smaller? I can't. I did come across a photo of me when I lose a lot of weight on that injection/starvation thing I did about 5 years ago. When I look at the picture I think "Oh that's what I can look like" but right on the heels of that I hear my ehad say "only if you starve and so that insane diet again--and I don't think I have another diet in me... therefore I won't be that size."

I guess I just don't believe it so how do I get around that? Any advice?

Have good evening.

maryblu
07-21-2009, 09:23 PM
Onebyone, just read your post. You don't have to believe it. You just have to work the Beck steps. Fake it til ya make it. Just start in. Do it. Do it in order. Don't diet til you've done the pre-work. It is the most mechanical, scripted step-by-step methodology. Just do it. Don't think about whether you believe it or not. You don't have to believe it is true to do ARCs...you can list all the advantages without believing it. You can do it all step by step.

Yes, you can. :-)

BillBlueEyes
07-22-2009, 03:40 AM
:welcome: FutureFitChick :welcome:

And in case you didn't get one of these when you joined last month, :wel3fc:

How did you find out about Beck?

And how did you find this tread on 3FC?

BillBlueEyes
07-22-2009, 04:03 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Had a reward luncheon for which I ordered a Portuguese fisherman's platter (not fried) and ignored table rolls as well as the suggestions to have appetizers, sides, and desserts; CREDIT moi. Ignoring the table rolls without it being a major event is a great feeling, as if this could become a habit, LOL.

maryblu - Drooling at the thought of your ripe raspberries. How do your preserve the extras?

Love your notion that we "capture the feeling of what gives us the most satisfaction in our lives" and attach that to flexing our resistance muscle. It would be nice to allow myself the same satisfaction that I get from a good set of pushups.

Did ya notice that Nutrition Action Health Letter gave its cover and four pages to David Kessler and The End of Overeating. It's fun to have a book I believe in so strongly recommended by a newsletter that I believe in. I like Kessler's strategy to link negative images to the junk foods that we wish to avoid. Maybe I could think of FREE food as germy, LOL.


onebyone - I second Maryblu's advice; "Fake it til ya make it." One foot in front of the other. Reduce the unbounded list of oughta's and should's until you can feel safe in your plans for the day. Get out that bicycle and do five minutes of riding; you don't have to do a tri-athlon to get the benefit of moving. Give yourself credit for all the walking you do each day.

Yay that your body pain is gone, even if that loses one of your motivators.

Sending you supportive thoughts for a finite list of activites for today.


Tera (twilit tera) - Kudos for maintaining your weight when so much stuff is stacked up in your life. And Kudos for continuing to be a supportive caregiver to your mom as she recovers. You're wise to be aware that you have to schedule some time away from your caregiver role; too much can just suck you down.

Wishing you well with your frustrations dealing with the medical establishment.


ChinaMaine - Go Thee Forth with NO CHOICE "as your mantra." Sending supportive thoughts as you're having drinks and dinner with the client. Hope the review is going well.

Erika (eusebius) - Sign me up for Charlie Brown's course in "remedial living," LOL. Ouch that you're feeling the whole list of things you should be doing. Kudos for ignoring that and succeeding in your Day 1 of WW. It's kinda remarkable that the brain can stack of a list of "oughta's" and "should's" to divert us from doing a simple single thing.

Une (irishune) - Kudos for joining a Slimming World group (not remembering what that means, exactly).

Thanks for the kind words to all of us for our posting. Yep, I agree, reading the posts here is a major contribution to my own remembering that I need to stay focused and continue putting out the energy to keep my maintenance on track.


FutureFitChick - Superfoods/whole foods and Weight Watchers are both great choices. You can find support groups for both here on 3FC if you just look around a bit.


Readers - the solution at a glance
. . .
• Many situations trigger thoughts about eating, but there are techniques that you can learn to avoid or minimize these triggers.
. . .

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 32.

ChinaMaine
07-22-2009, 05:44 AM
Yesterday I drove down and checked into my hotel. I replayed my mantra ‘No Choice’ all day, and did pretty well. I ordered a shrimp ceasar salad at the hotel to eat before the meeting. I used less than half the dressing on the side. Credit moi! My Account Manager got me a container of almonds to snack on during the afternoon, I had a typical serving. Credit! The hard part was the group dinner. They ordered lots of plates of meats, cheeses, breads with tapanade, etc. Luckily being gluten free made it impossible to eat from most plates. But one plate was cheese only, and I grabbed 3 small pieces of cheese from that one. I orderd a green salad, trout with a delicious side of chick peas, eggplant and mushrooms. My downfall was the trout because I forgot to mention to go light on the fat. It tasted pretty greasy, so I logged 1.5 tablespoons of oil. :( Well, everyone raved about one particular white wine, and I asked for half a glass just to taste. (Saying ‘no choice’ didn’t even occur to me in the moment. Oh well…) The good news is that I logged just 50 calories over my goal. So, all in all, Credit!

:df: WI-down .75 lbs (mentioned this yesterday). Read my cards, made a plan (in terms of a calorie goal). Food – op (almost), Exercise – op (my usual plus 7 mins on the elliptical – no fatigue after!!!!).



one by one I agree with maryblu that ‘fake it til you make it’ is a great option for you. Take it slow, read the workbook, go through the book again and concentrate on making the skills a daily habit. And once you can practice the skills daily pretty well, then move onto dieting. Counting calories, (or WW points, etc), and sometimes take your mind off the fact that the core of the Beck program is all about changing how you think throughout every day, and how you behave every day. So, concentrate on the core of Beck’s program first and then move onto counting calories, or whatever diet plan you choose to follow.

That said, it is hard to do all this when you don’t believe it. But you may just need to walk the walk, before you can believe it’ll work… You can do it!

Tera Wow – you are dealing with a lot. I’m sorry about the pain and depression especially. I can’t imagine the stress having such an experience dealing with your doc, lack of diagnosis, and high medical bills, is causing you. Credit for moving forward getting a diagnosis, when I know the medical community can make it so hard. You are being a good daughter and I assume once your Mom can be on her own more, your pain will begin to subside. Or at least I hope so. :hug: Keep on plugging, one foot in front of the other. We all wish the best for you. :hug:

CREDIT for maintaining your weight around 220 in spite of all you are dealing with. Don’t you think some of that is water, and once you are back in your routine, with less pain and more exercise, it’ll start of fall off? That’s my guess anyway.

I think of you every day and hope for the best for both you and your Mom. Thank you for posting. :hug:

I'll try to do more personals when I can, but these are 13 hour days, so it's tough to squeeze it in. I am reading all the posts and give everyone a big hurray!

FutureFitChick
07-22-2009, 09:38 AM
BillBlueEyes, thanks so much for the welcome! That really picked me up this morning!

I found out about Beck when I came across a 3FC user (a man whose name I don't remember) that had something in his signature about Beck. I found this group by searching for Beck in 3FC and started reading about the CBT approach and thought it really fit what I needed.

I am reading day 3 this morning, as well as the SuperfoodsRx book I just got (and sometime I need to get to work as well!!!).

Thanks again and I look forward to getting to know all of you better. Have a great day!

eusebius
07-22-2009, 10:21 AM
Coaches - Day 2 also a points success. Ignored shortbreads and truffles I served to my friend when he came over for coffee - credit moi! (He ignored them too ... credit him as well, LOL!)
Today my daughter is home sick so I've had to cancel some stuff I wanted to do for myself, including a haircut that's nearly a month overdue. Blah. Well, hopefully I will do it later this week. Whining doesn't become me, I know :P

Tera - you have seriously been through a lot and I am amazed and impressed that you've been able to maintain your weight. I echo what everyone says about taking time for yourself. Caregiver burnout is something you definitely don't need!!

Une - great job staying OP!!

FutureFitChick - welcome!! You will love Beck and this group. Looking forward to getting to know you.

onebyone - What Maryblu said. We just have to follow the steps and they will work. I'm not a philosopher but I'm pretty sure it's a perfectly logical system. (Ever seen an overweight Vulcan? LOL) I know what you mean about not being able to visualize yourself ... I think this is why beck suggests we go for 5 pound mini goals. Even if we can't see ourselves as slender and fit, we can probably grok a 5 pound loss. What do you think?

Bill - WTG on ignoring extra food and isn't it funny how it never feels like a habit even though you have been doing it for years!! Our brains are the weirdest things.
Looks like David Kessler is mentioned in the July 20 New Yorker as well. I need to read him, I think.

ChinaMaine - WTG on successfully navigating the hotel food - big credit to you!

Have a great day all,
Erika

AnneWonders
07-22-2009, 11:22 AM
:wave: Great day on the mountain bike this morning. Food is iffy so far and it's only 8:30.

Channeling Tera: I'm going to be so on plan today.

Anne

RobinW
07-22-2009, 11:41 AM
:wave:

food isnt too shabby!! Dd fell off her bike (again) so we havent been biking this week.

attended an event this morning and very much to my surprise I was awarded a "recognition" certificate! Pictures were taken and they made me give a little speech! I can talk in front of 1000's, but only when Im prepared. Never any nerves....but this morning I was all flushed, shakey and very teary because it was so unexpected. I always have a hard time accepting these types of things, because I do it to help others...not because I think I'll get something out of it. It was nice, but it sure made me feel uncomfortable. Then because of all this I was asked to speak to a local Chamber of Commerce meeting about social networking. The power of networking never ceases to amaze me!

Im off to take my dd to her day camp, then I have heaps to get caught up on so I can take tomorrow off!

Have a great day everyone!

(I'll get back into personals when things calm down a bit around here)

twilit tera
07-22-2009, 12:28 PM
Hello, beckbuddies:

Thngs went pretty much as I expected at the dr's. Blood tests all came up negative, so my cholesterol is good, but they still don't know why I hurt. I got referrals to the orthopedic surgeon and an MRI.

I like being at home, even if it's just one day. I have my comfy recliner, complete control of my food environment, and my kitty to cuddle. Mom's kitties are cuddly, but they aren't my kitty, y'know?

Oh, let's not forget computer access. that's nice too.

:yay: for getting through yesterday, minimizing the amount of time I spent sitting to reduce pain level increase. :yay: for launching my website. :yay: for hanging out in a grocery store for 30 minutes and some waiting for a prescription to be filled, and walking out without the donuts, candy, and chips I was tempted with. (I have B to thank for that in part.) :yay: for stying under 220. :yay: for working on my beck thinking, starting here.

FFC (FutreFitChick): I love that you're looking forward to guilt-free horseback riding. Maybe if you can't afford your own horse as a reward, you can put some money into renting one.

onebyone: Maybe now isn't the time to focus on what size you'll be. You're doing this for health reasons, right? Well, you'll get health benefits from healthy living, no matter what size you are! Believe that first. Give the weight issue time. Hmm. :idea: I think that's the advice I needed to hear too.

Bill: You are an inspiration! Thank you for continuing to support this thread, for sharing your victories with us.

ChinaMaine: :hug: You're doing awsome staying in control of food on your trip! Thank you for your words of encouragement!

Erika: I'm pleased to meet you (love your avatar)! This is the first week I've even come close to burn-out with Mom. She's such an independent person, and a couple of days at her house is usually no problem. It's been an unusual time lately, with her feeling ickier than she had since she left the hospital and being short staffed while her friend was out of town on business.

Oh, well. I just hope she recovers from this latest thing quickly. The doctors are sure it's just the meds making her feel bad, but those same meds a) keep her alive and b) keep her from excruciating pain.

Anne: :hug:

Robin: Congratulations on receiving that recognition!

onebyone
07-22-2009, 05:04 PM
Good Afternoon Coaches

It's Wednesday and I've spent a few hours here on the couch. I ma actively procrastinating getting my wholesale craft order done now. I'd say I am pretty much "back to normal"! haha!

I got out my weight watchers crockpot cookbook and consulted it as I threw in some chicken parts found in the back of trhe freezer. I hope to freeze some of what I've made for meals later in the week. I still have soup from a few months ago I enjoy eating so slowly I am starting some behaviours that are health-supportive. Credit moi. Cooking and eating from scratch is a goal of mine and I am happy to see myself do whatever I can to make this change in my and DH's life.

This evening I have ceramic class with Leta. She is the spring and summer ceramic teacher at school who is a dream: not demanding, not crabby, not a diva. Oh I wish Leta was staying on but, alas, she's not teaching in the fall and I already got an email from the Diva herself as to whether I would be staying on as ceramic tech now that I am graduated.
That'd be a Yes.
I wanted to take a class with Leta as everyone raves about her as a teacher and tonight we'll see if I can report back that I made a cup on the wheel. That's the goal for tonight. I'm a handbuilder not a thrower. I'm trying to change that in a few short weeks.

Foodwise not that bad but I have really fallen into the "oh man it's 11 am and I haven't eaten anything" habit. Today I didn't overeat as I bought a sandwich for myself and waited until I got home to eat it, sitting down (credit moi).

twilit tera :yay: to you for posting here and for maintaining and for honouring your own needs. Credits galore for all that. Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it and will take it to heart. All the best to your mom and her continuing recovery and to you and your DH and your kitty!

RobinW Isn't it amazing to discover that what you do cause you want to do that thing actually impacts other people's lives? You never know how many people you touch. Obviously you are appreciated... credit to you for speaking to the group in spite of your fear. That's a great example for your DD right there. You go girl!


wndranne Congrats on the good :bike2: today. 8:30 with iffy food gives you lots of time to gather yourself up and make it better... we do what we can when we can. :hug:

eusebius Grokking a 5lb loss is easy for me yes. I just have seen that 5lbs come off and come back so often that 5lbs has lost all meaning for me. I never get to that next 5lbs, and the next after that? Grokking mechanism sputters and spews smoke I need another goal. I'm thinking about what would be meaningful for me right now...haven't figured it out...:(

FutureFitChick:welcome3: I was interested in the SuperfoodsRX book too. I read the story of someone here at 3fc who lost her weight following those guidelines. I thought maybe that'd be a way for me to get on track as well.... she was very inspiring. If I could remember her username or had a link I'd post here but alas I don't? Anyone? BBE? Wndranne? Who is that?
Keep posting!

ChinaMaine Thanks for the kind words and the advice on how to move forward. I do know it works. I see the proof here everyday. I just need to realize that it will work for me too. And yes, I will only really know that by seeing myself do it. Thanks for being a good example that the strategies do work as you face the challenges of being on the road...

BillBlueEyes Thanks BBE for your advice as well. It's true--small steps will move me forward. Kudos for your fantastic reaction to the dinner offerings...I donlt even hear a smidgen of regret at "not being able to have that stuff"... awesome. Can't wait until I value that too.

Maryblu This was a very profound thought for me
I wonder if we could all capture the feeling of what gives us the most satisfaction in our lives...a great run, successful triathalon competition, perfectly performed piano piece, satisfied client, great art show....if we could capture that and feel the same satisfaction with exercising our resistance muscle, for realizing we becoming healthier, more immune to the beckoning call of fat, sodium, and sugar..if we could put that satisfaction front and center..because this issue will be with us always..
This is a real key to a profound and lasting change methinks. If I could just decide that it really was that important, it really was the most satisfying thing to do, the goal, the treat and the reward in an of itself, I'd be way ahead of the game. You'd think I'd get this given how difficult this is for me to do... difficult = acknowledgement of how truly hard this is = knowing that if I do this it's a major accomplishment = every small step towards these goals are major accomplishments in themselves... I guess I turn my back on the big picture with both good and bad consquences. Much more to think on this. Thank you Maryblu.

Time to go. Enjoy your evening.

Nuxmaga
07-22-2009, 10:55 PM
Hello All,
Back down the pound that was up, yay. Zumba, credit. Tracking food, credit. Planning my lunch out, credit. I ignored the roll automatically served up. Got a salad instead of fries. It was a pre-birthday lunch, so I tumbled into dessert, but split it with my friend. Birthdays are hard--my husband's is two days after mine, so we usually end up with 3 days of eating out.

I've been reading the Thin Commandments by Stephen Gullo, which has some overlap with Beck--interesting to read things from a different perspective. He's much more laissez-faire--not as systematic as Beck.

My upcoming craft show is a food challenge--usually the combination of being anxious and at times bored in the booth makes for food as a distraction and coping. I'm going to pack my lunch, but snacking is the hard part, and the "I'm tired, this is an unusual situation, I need a snack" sabotaging thinking.

Personals soon.

M.

ChinaMaine
07-22-2009, 11:08 PM
I’ve been trying to learn from my mistakes this trip. I had 3 trips in May, and I didn’t lose any weight that month. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. So, I made 2 commitments to myself before coming on this trip. I would do everything I could not to exercise less at the hotel than I do at home. To that end I brought my wii console and MFC with my and did my yoga and upper body workout this AM. Then I went to the fitness room and walked their treadmill instead of Moose. :) CREDIT! The other is that when I travel I feel entitled to have things I wouldn’t eat at home. Sometimes I don’t have much control over my food when traveling, so there are limits to what I can do. But I have to be honest and admit that I definitely needed to learn to do better. So, I don’t drink alcohol during the week at home, so I was insistent I wouldn’t on this trip either. So I decided to drive myself to dinner both nights, so I couldn’t convince myself to have a drink. I brought frozen entrees from home to microwave at the customer site for lunch. Needing to eat GF and a smidgen of ‘no choice’ took care of the rest of my food. Credit! I have one more day to go, but I am optimistic I’ll be able to pull it off for one more day. :)

:df: WI-(will weigh in Friday). Forgot my cards so didn’t read them, didn’t make a food plan, but did plan how to keep my calories within reason. Food – op (too low in calories actually – that hasn’t happened in a while), Exercise – op.



Anne I’m so glad you beat your headache – and then had a good bike ride.

Une I can totally understand the issue of being unfit and being more concerned about having the commitment to take the steps that will make you fit. When I started in January, I was extremely unfit and my top priority was, and still is, to be fit and healthy. It’s taken a while, but one step, one day, at a time you can do it. Good luck!

Your success at the wedding was fantastic. Credit! And credit again for being op for food and exercise yesterday. What is GL?

Margaret It sounds like you’ve been really consistent and op the last few days. Credit! I know what a challenge it is when the habits aren’t engrained yet. But soon they will be, and it will get easier, and easier… :)

Bill I love the idea of having watermelon instead of cake for your b-day. Credit! And I know I’d enjoy eating watermelon a lot more than cake. But I never would have thought of it! And credit that ignoring bread at reward luncheon was no big deal. That is cool!

Yes, I’ve already begun updating the docs, whenever I have a free minute. Because once this review is done, I need to add a lot of detail that isn’t in this preliminary set of docs. (Yes, 400 pages is the abridged version. :D)

Erika One day at a time seems to be a common thread in the last week. But, yes, Beck can be overwhelming if you face all the changes in one fell swoop. Credit for doing it one step at a time, and eating op! As Mary blu pointed out recently, we seem to be a group of folks with high standards for ourselves. But perfectionism is a family of sabotaging thoughts. So keep those thoughts at bay as much as you can. You don’t have to be perfect at it. ;)

BillBlueEyes
07-23-2009, 05:20 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - DS dropped by and as he was telling me the complexities of young adult life he was dipping into his mother's stash of chocolate covered roasted coffee beans. So I dipped along, so very off plan. He'd have a few more so I'd have a few more, as if recreational eating was what I do. Oh Well. (As I thought of this just now, it finally dawned on me to do something. I stopped typing, got up, and moved the d*rn stuff from the kitchen counter to a high shelf in the pantry. CREDIT moi. It doesn't call me when I can't see it. Don't know why I didn't think to do that yesterday.)

At the gym the notion to quit before I finished kept coming into my head. The Beck notion of sticking to my plan kept me going; CREDIT moi. It is sobering to be reminded that a part of my brain is actively thinking of reasons to drift off plan.


onebyone - Kudos for getting back into cooking some healthy meals, even as I LOL at "threw in some chicken parts found in the back of the freezer." And Kudos for making yourself a sandwich and eating it sitting down. All good steps to staying on track.

Good luck throwing your cup at ceramics class. Will you make a set, or at least a pair?


Robin (RobinW) - Congats on your recognition. Big Kudos for giving an extemporaneous speech without getting to secretly prepare for it, LOL. At least you get to prepare for your Chamber of Commerce speech.

Anne (wndranne) - Yay for mountain bike so early in the morning. Double Yay for not mentioning headache.

Tera (twilit tera) - Yay for good blood tests; Ouch when it's when you're looking so hard for a cause. Kudos for leaving those donuts and other temptations behind.

ChinaMaine - Kudos for NO CHOICE all day, and Kudos for the great choice of "trout with a delicious side of chick peas, eggplant and mushrooms." I love it when a side that good also comes with a good entree.

Neat that you made it to the hotel's gym to use the treadmill; that's dedication on a demanding trip. Wouldn't it be comforting if the gym let you plug in a video of Moose walking beside you on a sandy Maine beach?


Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Kudos for salad instead of fries and for splitting dessert. Hope you share tidbits from The Thin Commandments as they strike you.

Erika (eusebius) - Kudos for ignoring "shortbreads and truffles" even as you served them; that's being strong. And thanks for the pointer to the July 20th New Yorker about Kessler; I'll look for that.

FutureFitChick - Yay for Day 3: Eat Sitting Down. I remember how startled I was when I discovered that I ate off my plate while carrying it to the table. I was one of those people who finished off the meat from my kids' plates - that seems so vulgar when I type it.

Summer is such a good time to be reading SuperFoodsRX since it's all available optimally fresh right now.


Readers - the solution at a glance
. . .
• When you encounter a trigger, your thoughts determine whether you act in a productive way that strengthens your resistance muscle or in an unproductive way that strengthens your giving in muscle.
. . .

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 32.

eusebius
07-23-2009, 07:32 AM
Coaches: Day 3 also OP - credit. We ate dinner in a mall food court, where I chose a chicken stir fry on noodles. DD got a salami sub and one of my major triggers - sour cream and onion ripple chips. She even waved the bag in my face. (She's 6.) I did not have a single chip - credit!!

Today the 'rents are coming over for dinner and DH is making it (sweet). I consulted with him extensively on the menu and came up with something that dips into my weekly points allowance to an extent I can live with. Now the challenge will be to stick to what I've planned ...

wndranne - awesome job on the bike!

RobinW - congrats on being recognized and for the speaking engagement - you are so right about networking. Most of my work comes to me through word of mouth and colleagues' recommendations. I even got a job on Twitter once!

BTW I see you are in western NY - whereabouts? Probably not too far from me - we are about an hour from Buffalo.

Tera - so many positive steps these days. Big credit to you! Your mom is lucky to have such a wise and caring daughter to help her in these tough times.

onebyone - credit for taking steps to cook from scratch! I'd love to have a WW crockpot book. How did ceramics class go?

Nuxmaga - Great job on food and exercise, and congrats on being down a lb!! When does the craft show start?

ChinaMaine - Kudos for exercising and planning healthy eating while travelling!! "No Choice" is awesome isn't it! Great observations about perfectionism ... I will take them to heart!

Bill - Ah those insidious choc-covered beans. Caffeine and chocolate at the same time... pretty much the perfect socially acceptable drug. Good job moving them out of reach. Funny about our brain trying to get out of every situation we put ourselves in. I was reading Pema Chödrön on that just yesterday - she describes Mara as the habit of our minds to look for alternatives to whatever situation we're experiencing, rather than just being curious about our circumstances.

Challenging day ahead - time for coffee! I plan to do the Day 11 hunger/craving/desire to eat exercise today as well

cheers
Erika

AnneWonders
07-23-2009, 08:37 AM
Coaches/Buddies Stomach virus has hit the household and DD and DH are affected. So far I seem good.

The "on plan" declaration helped yesterday, right up until the puking started, at which time all plans when on immediate hiatus. Oh Well.

:wave: to everyone, and special welcome back to kuhljeanie. I've missed you!

Anne

kuhljeanie
07-23-2009, 09:12 AM
still reacquainting myself with posting regularly - i will do my best. getting a better picture of what's okay with my client, since i have very little time outside of work to be online. i was reading (yet another) diet book that said that the average american spends 4 hours a day watching TV, and we only need to use one of those hours to fit in a workout. if it were only that simple...(sigh.) i signed up for a diet coach on the JM website, and we've had a couple of exchanges but the short version is that she thinks it's better for me to skip the weekday workouts altogether so i can get 7 hours of sleep every night. i tried it last night but woke up at 4:00ish anyway. she seems to think that a 300-calorie deficit daily is fine, so i'm going to withhold judgement for a few weeks. i'm still not functioning all that well, and i've been stuck at the same weight for 6 months, so what can it hurt, right?

onebyone, agree in full with bill. don't waste precious energy imagining way down the line. just put one foot in front of the other and don't worry about it, girl! tera, i know what you mean about needing YOUR kitty. it's just different. here's to hoping they figure it out soon! china, your planning and execution are breathtaking. i want to remember how you handled it so i can do as well the next time i travel! a wii console really is pretty small...wouldn't have thought of that, it's a great idea! robin, mazel tov! not surprised at all your colleagues would honor you. :) hiya anne!!! i was reading about your whomping headache of late and glad that you're out of the woods now. erika! hi! i need a haircut too. heya bill! funny how the most obvious solution rarely seems obvious at the time. i'm still hoping that something obvious will occur to me as a solution to my time crunch issues. hi margaret and fitchick! looking forward to getting to know you!

different season, still stressin'. our daycare provider is going back to work in a week and we still don't have anywhere to stash el nino during the day. i was talking to two other in-home providers, but one's grandma was just diagnosed with chemo, and the other got a call back from her school to go back to work. so 7 days and counting until we have NO DAY CARE and i'm starting to panic. i find panicking to be really helpful and productive, you know? :dizzy: between the lack of sleep, DH's current bout of anxiety, and the crushing lack of time for anything, feel like my head is going to explode. and i want chocolate. because i know that'll solve my problems. (sigh.)

almost the weekend, though!

twilit tera
07-23-2009, 12:05 PM
Just got back from the Physical Therapist. He says my legs still look pretty even, and that he's glad I'm finally going to get the MRI. He'll look at it on Monday and give me a hollar if it indicates any changes should be made in my program.

The muscle relaxer the doc prescribed seems to do a lot of good, but I'm trying to avoid situations that put me in enough pain to use it. Saving it for emergencies.

Pain level's down some from a couple days ago. :)

Mom's doing not so good. They checked her back into the hospital last night with another infection. I'm waiting to hear from her about how she's doing since being admitted, where they're keeping her and whether they know for how long. My MRI appointment is on Saturday morning, so if I don't get down to see her by then, I may stop by after for a few.

I'm all registered for next semester. All classes online, including Phys. Ed. Weird, huh?

Eating is definitely better at home. Routine is still pretty messed up.

Margaret: :yay: for all your credits. :crossed: for birthday eating and being trapped in your craft booth. Is there some project you can bring with you? It would keep your hands busy and your mind off of stress/boredom, plus I always find it enjoyable to see artists in process - it might generate interest/sales.

ChinaMaine: :yay: for putting experience to work and building strategies to cope with travel!

Bill:[B] Do we ever reach the point where there are no counter-productive thoughts to battle with? If not then Oh, well. I've already proven that I can cope, that I can battle successfully, but it would be nice if there came a time when it wasn't a struggle.

[B]Erika: :yay: for working together with hubby to create a meal plan that fits in your budget! :cheer: Go you!

Anne: Do feel better soon.

Jean: Yikes about the daycare situation! Hang in there. We're rooting for you. (Chocolate isn't, it just seems like it is.)

Nuxmaga
07-23-2009, 09:37 PM
Hi All,
Tracked food, credit. Went out for a walk in the evening because my steps were very low, credit. Asked for dressing on the side at dinner and only dipped into the bread basket once. I think it was a good half cup of dressing--egads! I used to get that salad already mixed up.

Driving home from therapy, I go by the donut shop with the 4 oz donuts, and I listened to the sabotaging thought, "Well, I only have one week left until my therapist moves, and I'll never get these donuts in the future," and ate 2. Not to mention the sabotage of "I just had therapy, I need a donut."

tera--I'm sorry to hear your Mom is having a hard time. I'll keep her in my prayers. Credit for registering for classes. I do bring knitting, though I try to only knit when it's really slow--I don't want to seem disinterested. Maybe I could bring a small mosaic to clean or polish, or even glue some pieces down, as long as I didn't have to nip any glass--that would be dangerous! But some sort of demo could be a good distraction.

kuhljeanie--sorry to hear about the childcare woes. Fitting in workouts can be hard--but hopefully you are getting in Beck's "spontaneous exercise."
That can really add up.

wndranne--hope the stomach bug has left the premises!

eusebius--Congrats on passing by the chips, in spite of them being in your face! Chips are a big challenge for me. I have set-up for the craft fair tomorrow, and then it goes both Saturday and Sunday.

Bill--Credit for putting the coffee beans on a high shelf! Thin Commandments has an interesting way of putting it, "Don't make eye contact." If you scope out desserts at a buffet, or have snacks sitting out, any sort of "eye contact" will make you want it. I'm one of those people who looks at everything, "in case I miss something"--which of course usually leads to unhelpful eating.

ChinaMaine--I'm impressed with your plan for being away from home! That's true Beckian planning! Credit for exercise!

one-by-one--kudos for cooking! It's such a positive way to take care of yourself. With the visualizing yourself post-weight loss, I find when I'm stuck on being unable to imagine something that I need to tell myself, "I don't need to know this right now." It sounds like you are beginning to imagine learning new healthy habits, and that is enough for now.

onebyone
07-23-2009, 11:28 PM
Good Evening Becksters

I am not quite 100% today. I have been fighting off a low level sore throat and I am just plain tired. The last intense 6 months worth of activity have done me in. I have been waiting for my graduation $ gift from my sister and my mother and it's not come in the mail yet. My sister, who is wending her way slowly down the I-95 towards her new home in Key West Florida with her 3 cats in the back of her SUV and a 24' truck, max speed of 60mph, from Montreal to Key West, was supposed to drop it off before they moved out of the country on Monday. My guess is she forgot with good and ample excuses of how she could forget with such a major change going on. I am eager for it as it is the money I would use to go on vacation and if it doesn't come I go nowhere-- although I could drive 7hrs north to visit my hometown which I am considering doing, stay at my old friend's for free, paint the town (literally) on canvas. I guess I just have to let this all go as I have no control over it. Somehow I need to get away. If I stay within the province I can rent a car from where we always rent and I know my paycheck next week would cover it and its unlimited mileage.

Foodwise I don't have much to say... well maybe a little... I did have half a sandwich when I wanted a whole one (credit) and I didn't get the sweet cold stuff I wanted (credit) I did walk over to the mall when I didn't want to move at all (credit) and I have made an effort to drink more water both today and yesterday (credit). I give myself 60% for the day.

Nuxmaga Have you done many craft shows? Ive been doing them for almost two decades... I almost always bring work with me--all that tedious no-brainer stuff: some finishing touches on my paintings, gluing, tagging, signing...whatever is portable. Often the luck of the draw gives me a good chatty neighbour too and if that fails and I am about to lose it, I always seem to get a good customer to chat with. Or I go get one of these :coffee: and it helps. Craft show environments are such artificial spaces. What are your hours and where is it? Outside or inside? I am back at the farmers' market this Sunday. It'll probably rain because this summer it just always rains on the weekend... good luck and may you come home with this for all your effort :cupgold: our society's most tangible form of appreciation of one's work.

twilit tera Hmmm. Phys-ed online. If it works send me the curriculum! tt you could make a fortune doing online phys-ed! On other topics I sure hope your mom is on the mend. What a gruelling process this must be still I am sure you are really going day to day. Big Kudos :hug: for all that you do for others and for yourself. I send pats to your kitty too.

kuhljeanie hooboy sorry to hear of the stressful caregiver situation. I am sure you will solve it cause that's what you do... it'll happen again for el nino. I am pleased you've been stuck at the same weight=maintaining that weight. I have been a yoyo and wish I had been a maintainer... but this is all past now for you and me. We're moving forward right girl? right.

wndranne Kudos on onplan until felled by microbes. Now you need only do what is best for yourself and others...:hug:

eusebius Kudos for planning your meals and for 3 days OP. As for ceramics class (thanks for asking) no successful cup making last night. I threw something that excited me as I saw in it a flying saucer but I didn't remove it from the wheel. Today I regret that decision. Usually I go with these happy accidents but I wanted to stay focused on my cup form so I squished it up then discovered my clay was way too wet to throw again so I just left and experimented with using my linoleum carvings as patterning on the surface of my clay. I read about it before class and it works. This is exciting to me. Many directions springing forth - as usual:rolleyes:

BillBlueEyes Interesting to read of your communal eating with your DS. I seem to recall you don;t even really like the chocolate covered coffee bean. I can't tell you how many times I have eaten stuff with someone just because it's there. Too many times. Probably I have done more eating under those terms than the other way if I am honest. I find the pull to be very strong. Foo d buddies they used to call that in OA--which like the alcoholic or the drug addict- the compulsive eater must sometimes drop. Hard when it's family--you have re-negotiate the terms of your socialization with folks sometimes. And THIS is what is meant by lifestyle change methinks.

As for making a pair of cups or a set of cups I will be happy with one cup with a rim that won't be so sharp as to draw blood when the drinker sips - takes a bit of skill it seems for so basic a form. You know, it's always been this way with me. Ask me to make Sasquatch as garden art complete with solar powered LED red eyes and I immediately think "oh yeah do x and x and x" no problemo. Ask me to make a simple smooth cup with a handle (panic ensues...you mean a handle too!?! one that you can hold?!? In your hand?!?)

Simple ain't easy.

ChinaMaine Kudos getting your exercise in while on the road. And good job keeping track of your food. That resistance muscle is showing some definition....;)

irishune
07-24-2009, 05:59 AM
Hi Everyone
I am happy to be reporting I am eating OP and have returned to the gym although I still detest it but I tell myself NO Choice and just do it.I find Day !5 very important to me.I don't like to have to write down what I plan to eat and then be accountable but it has made me focus and it works for me.I am still bad at standing and picking at food while I am cooking but I actually realise I am doing it and I suppose that is progress in a way and I also am aware I stand and eat sometimes even when I KNOW i have to sit.I am just being disobedient for the sake of it I think. Lots to work on.
I follow the slimming world diet which is a uk based organisation like weight watchers and I find it very good but scary because you can eat so much food on it and I worry how its going to work. ChinaMaine--GL is the glycaemic load diet.Like glycaemic index but updated.I think it is a very healthy diet for a carb addict like myself but slimming world is probably more sustainable in the long term.Both are on the internet on various sites.
You did great on your trip.Good planning. Onebyone--You sound like a creative genius! I also compulsively overeat/eat rubbish when I am with certain people because it's what we have always done.It's our social thing.Bill--agree that putting food beyond sight and easy reach is a simple strategy.Just need to comply.Tera--hope your mum is doing better.She is lucky to have a daughter like you.Kuhljeanie--hard to do workout when you feel good never mind feel tired.Be kind to yourself.Hope you feel more rested soon. Eusebius--your dh sounds supportive.Important, I think. Wndranne--I know it's not healthy thinking but I am always a little pleased if I have a stomach bug as it usually means I lose a bit with no effort.Just being silly I know as it can be very serious for some people. Nuxmaga--can I ask "what is zumba?"
Sending good wishes to everyone else doing Becks for a satisfactory weekend with food and exercise plans and some fun thrown in along the way.Une

BillBlueEyes
07-24-2009, 06:36 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Was happily out for my evening walk, CREDIT moi, when a few drops of rain hit. First I ignored them, "I'm not made of sugar," then finally gave in and cut it short. Just didn't feel like getting wet. Oh Well. I do recall that in the past I'd laugh at the thought of getting wet while walking since there are dry clothes at home. Need to up my stick-to-it-ativeness a bit here.

Jean (kuhljeanie) - Kudos for acknowledging that chocolate seems like the appropriate solution to the unsolvable. Ouch for heading to the wire without a provider for el nino. Hoping for you that Mary Poppins drops out of the sky with her umbrella.

onebyone - Kudos for your half sandwich and other smart eating choices. You're moving yourself onto the track. Yep, "Simple ain't easy."

Thanks for the useful thought, "you have re-negotiate the terms of your socialization with folks sometimes." That's a nice way to say it.


Anne (wndranne) - Good grief!!! Stomach virus is no fun. Sending virtual chicken soup to your household.

Tera (twilit tera) - Sending supportive thoughts that your mom's infections get under control so that she can go back to healing. Excited about your MRI; hope it answers some of your questions.

Such an interesting question, "Do we ever reach the point where there are no counter-productive thoughts to battle with?" Maybe we have to go read about Mara as referenced by Erika (eusebius).


ChinaMaine - Waving; presumably the whole 400 pages are reviewed and you're on your way home.

Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Kudos for the stellar performance at dinner. Ouch for the Sabotaging Thoughts that enticed you to half a pound of donuts. Good news to think that your normal trajectory will soon no longer pass by that place.

Like that "Don't make eye contact." Yep, that seems like a good way to think about it.


Erika (eusebius) - Kudos for not having a single "sour cream and onion ripple chip." Double Kudos for not whacking your six year old upside the head to teach her that one doesn't wave a red flag at a raging bull, LOL.

Just amazing that Pema Chödrön has defined "Mara as the habit of our minds to look for alternatives to whatever situation we're experiencing." It's like a generic word for Sabotaging Thoughts. Perhaps we'll discover some day that the good Dr. Beck is a lifelong Pema Chödrön fan.


Readers - the solution at a glance
. . .
• Responding to your sabotaging thoughts is a skill that you can use for your lifetime to keep off excess weight permanently.

The Beck Diet Solution, pg 32.

eusebius
07-24-2009, 07:48 AM
Coaches: Unbelievably, Day 4 also OP including the big meal. I made the decision to skip lunch. I knew I'd be doing it on Day 12 anyway (which is today) so I just folded it into Day 11. Good call ... I ate dinner slowly and didn't need seconds of anything. Yay!
Today is more relaxed ... I actually get to go shopping at the fabric store ... even better, DH offered to drive me there and wants to have lunch at an Italian place in the fabric district (Yes, my city has a fabric district! I am blessed! Good thing it doesn't have a yarn district or I'd be bankrupt by now, LOL)

wndranne - knocking on wood that you won't get the virus. Hope everyone's feeling better quickly.

kuhljeanie - ((((hugs)))) I know that panicked feeling when childcare becomes an urgent issue. It will work out somehow, because it has to, but I know it's not a pleasant experience to say the least. At one point I ended up using another drop-in centre mom who needed some cash ... but it was less than an ideal situation. Got me through a few months though. Hang in there!!!

Tera - Yay for pain level going down!! Good thoughts to you & your mom. PhysEd online eh? What strange times we live in ;)

Nuxmaga - Great job on food & extra walking! Oh well on the donuts ... at least you won't be going by there any more ... Best wishes for the craft fair! I hope it is a big success for you!!

onebyone - I hope you do get the chance to get away and relax. Definitely credit is deserved for the steps you're taking with food!! Carved patterning sounds cool on your clay ... I love how you experiment and try new stuff with your art!

irishune - You're doing fab! I agree, planning food is extremely important - it gives you the possibility of saying No Choice! I know what you mean about being able to eat a lot on Slimming World. WW is like that as well.

Bill - Absolutely, Mara = Sabotaging Thoughts!! And, I think, sabotaging emotions as well. I'm guessing the Beck family is Jewish in heritage, which makes me wonder if there are useful things for us to learn from that tradition as well ... no doubt there are many.

OK, off to get my morning coffee with Almond Breeze (40 cals/cup for the unsweetened stuff. Got to love it!) Have a great day and don't let the yetis get you down :)

Erika

AnneWonders
07-24-2009, 10:13 AM
Coaches/Buddies Sickness gone. Yesterday was a scheduling mess, and planning was nonexistent. So far today is better. Run is finished, cereal eaten and coffee cooking. Mmmm.

I have to go clean up the disaster house today. Have a good one everybody.

Anne

FutureFitChick
07-24-2009, 12:11 PM
Hello, Everyone.

wndranne I am glad to hear that everyone in your house is feeling better. Congratulations on the great start to the day.

BillBlueEyes, your success is astounding!

I am on day 4 of Beck and am working my way through the very verbose (but interesting) first several chapters of SuperFoods Rx. I've been reading my goal cards and sitting down to eat, resisting the urge to read while eating.

Have a great Friday!

twilit tera
07-24-2009, 12:22 PM
Hi, buddies!

Well, I still haven't had the chance to talk with Mom. My aunt tells me that she's been pretty out of it since she checked in, thanks to the great meds they have her on. At least she's more comfortable, and Aunt D said her color is much better, so something's working.

My pain levels are a bit lower again. Just taking it pretty easy for now. My MRI is scheduled for tomorrow early.

Margaret: You have my complete understanding over the comfort food connected with PT. I love my therapist, but I hate the process. :( Oh, well. Sounds like an opportunity to develop more self-soothing strategies... too bad food is so convenient.

Super :yay: for the dressing on the side and the walking to catch your steps up!

onebyone: I hope that money arrives soon. Everyone needs a change of scenery now and then and you have certainly earned it!

Kudos for taking a moment to give yourself credit!

irishune: kudos for No Choice regarding the gym, and thanks for your encouraging words.

Anne and Erika :grouphug:

gotta go!

onebyone
07-24-2009, 09:12 PM
Hi Coaches

I found myself in the frozen food section at my local grocery store face to face with the sweet cold things and I had zero desire for any of them in spite of the summer sale prices. I'd say *credit* but it just kind of was there. I walked away before I could talk myself into it so *credit* for that. And although I picked up the snacky thing in a bag I left it at the store as well. While there I didn't desire it, but as soon as I walked through my front door I wished I had it so *credit* from not bringing a snacky thing home with me today.

I have been making plans with my booth partner to go to the farmers' market on Sunday with our stuff, the first time this year (the season started in May) and I just wrote an email begging off. I am so tired. My muscles are all achey. That leg muscle/burning thing was going full steam today. I have not been able to make any headway in my wholesale order, received 6 weeks ago now, nor have I been able to paint anything. I have had naps two afternoons in a row. Actually they weren't naps, these were sleeps. Deep ones and I am sleeping well at night too. Apparently my body wants some rest! If the weather forecast was more promising I might get a bit more energy for it but as it stands they are predicting rain all day again. It's just a dreadful summer. I console myself with the fact though that in spite of the rain and the lack of sun or heat I can go outdoors in a t-shirt comfortably and I don't see my breath. It's still summer no matter the dreariness.

And no $ arrived. I think my sister forgot and DH seemed so relieved when I said we may not get to go on the whirlwind trip that it seems I won't be going anywhere. I'd cry about it but really I think there are worse things to cry over. DH thinks we really don't have the money to go anywhere and I guess I could use the $, if it ever comes, for more practical purposes. I am just at my wit's end trying to come up with a vacation that's doable for me. I may have to wait until winter. :(

twilit tera I hope your whole MRI experience brings you what you are looking for and great news on your mom bouncing back. :yay:

FutureFitChick I think I'll go get me that superfoodsrx book tomorrow. I could use something chatty and healthy to think on. Kudos for 4 days of Beck :carrot:

wndranne Things are looking up for you! yay!

eusebius Kudos for 4 days OP and for practicing Beck tasks when they seemed to be the thing to do. Credit for eating slowly-- my slow is everyone's fast :o

BillblueeyesI do recall that in the past I'd laugh at the thought of getting wet while walking since there are dry clothes at home. This made me laugh. With all the rain we've been getting I am always getting rained on. I pretty much don't even bother with it but it helps to work at an art school--we don't have a very rigid dress code there :p

irishuneI am happy to be reporting I am eating OP and have returned to the gym although I still detest it but I tell myself NO Choice and just do it.I find Day !5 very important to me.I don't like to have to write down what I plan to eat and then be accountable but it has made me focus and it works for me.I am still bad at standing and picking at food while I am cooking but I actually realise I am doing it and I suppose that is progress in a way and I also am aware I stand and eat sometimes even when I KNOW i have to sit.I am just being disobedient for the sake of it I think. Lots to work on.
Hey, did I write this:?: irishune what you said... I relate to this whole paragraph and I too have lots to work on. Glad you're here with us! Credit for doing the work and noticing your habits...

:wave: to kuhljeanie, maryblu, RobinW and all others reading this--you know who you are... :)

Nuxmaga
07-24-2009, 10:08 PM
Well, the booth is set up! No snacking while doing it either, credit. Dinner was at a seafood place with waiters wearing tshirts with bad crab puns. It's like an obstacle course ordering, but I substituted black beans for the rice(though of course there was a wall of cheese on top of it). DH got hush puppies, and I ate some, and boy, entering the calories later was scary. It's weird how some items are exponentially more of the total.

Got 10,000 steps, credit. Tracked food, credit. No alcohol with dinner, no matter how much I would've like it, credit.

one-by-one--Kudos on leaving the cold, sweet and snacky things behind at the store. I've spent way too much of my time wandering around stores, debating what snacky thing I will buy. Walking away is a powerful action. Wow, 20 years of shows! I was a poet for 10 years, and just started doing visual arts about 5 years ago, and shows for 3 years. It's indoors, in a conference center on the Riverfront of Wilmington, Delaware. I'm near lots of friends from my craft guild, so that's helpful.

Future-fit-chick--Credit on resisting the urge to read while eating. I like to eat breakfast while checking my email, and I'm really not focusing on my food.

eusebius--congrats on eating dinner slowly and not having seconds. I have this habit of getting 2 donuts, in case the first donut is disappointing, then I have a back-up donut. I'm sure Beck would say that a bad donut is an "oh, well" situation, and not one that requires seconds. . .

Bill--sorry to hear it rained on your walk, but credit for getting out the door even if you cut it short.

irishune--credit for going to the gym even though you hate it! I didn't like the gym until I started Zumba. It's a dance-exercise-aerobics class, with Latin music--salsa, mambo, cha cha, merengue, regaeton etc. and even a bit of belly dancing. It's a lot of fun, and the time goes much quicker than the elliptical machine.

ChinaMaine
07-25-2009, 07:01 AM
I’m home again. :yay: The meeting is over and was a success. Thursday was great until I got home where I felt entitled and celebratory. I ignored my plans and had a few g&t’s. It seems time to come up with plans to help me persist in victory. Oh well… Friday was great re food and exercise and I was so happy to be home.

:df: WI-down 2.5 lbs from Monday. Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op, Exercise – op.



FutureFitChick :welcome2: Sounds like you are getting off to a good start – sitting down to eat, reading cards – Credit!

Kuhljeanie :welcome: It’s so good to see you back! I’m glad you have a new job, I’m sure it’s a relief financially… You’ve only gained a few pounds – credit!

Getting enough sleep is important – do you have allergies or anything else that could make sleeping through the night difficult? I have constant low level allergies (always stuffed up) and I don’t sleep well unless I take an anti-histamine. Just a thought… Maybe taking a hot bath before bed would help more. And yes, better to start of slow on a diet plan you can succeed at day-in and day-out. Once you have a few weeks of success, you can think of setting bigger goals…

Yes, I am definitely going to bring my wii console on all business trips from now on. Tera actually suggested it to me, and it’s what I needed to make these trips a success (thanks Tera!).

Maryblu :woohoo: for reaching an important milestone – 138 lbs. Fantastic!

Robin :wave: Sounds like you’ve been in a groove lately, credit! Ouch for dd falling off her bike…

Margaret Your birthday dinner sounded very reasonable (calorie-wise) and tasty. Credit! And credit for walking at the end of the day when you realized your step-count was low. I wouldn’t have the moral fiber to do that, it’s why I try to front-load my exercise as early in the day as I can. So I’m not awake enough to talk myself out of it. ;)

Wow – sounds like eating healthy at your craft show was a major challenge. Credit for making reasonable choices. And I’m sure the calorie-shock you got when logging your food will help you to make even better choices in the future. ;)

Tera I’m so glad the new muscle relaxer is working. Probably better to save it for when it’s really needed…

I’m so sorry about your Mom :hug: and am happy to hear her color is getting better.

Bill Thanks for the nice image of walking Moose on a nice Maine beach. My reality yesterday was walking him in the rain on a Maine dirt road. :lol: He'd have a few more so I'd have a few more, as if recreational eating was what I do. Oh Well. It is amazing how habits long discarded, can just come back in some situations. It’s part of why maintaining is so hard. CREDIT for recognizing it, and dealing with it.

Anne ouch for the stomach flu, and hope you stay out of it. Credit for staying op up until then!

one by one I’m glad you are giving yourself credit for each positive step you are making every day. Because you clearly are making a significant effort day-by-day. :bravo: It will make a difference. :) Perhaps you and DH could take some nice day-trips to get a vacation-like-vibe. Maybe just do things you love, but normally don’t have time for?

Une Credit for pulling a ‘No Choice’ to get to the gym! I agree about making a plan and writing foods down. I believe that making plans, and logging the food I actually eat, plus daily exercise are what have made the big difference for me this time. Your diet plans sound reasonable.

Erika Kudos for successfully skipping lunch. ‘Hunger is not an emergency!’

BillBlueEyes
07-25-2009, 07:02 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Finally increased my gym to the level of six weeks ago before my vacation; CREDIT moi. I had to scold myself for drinking protein powder for muscle recovery yet not working hard enough to justify it. I had to remind myself that a bit of discomfort is expected during a gym workout.

So scale wiggle was down two pounds this morning - a normal variation for me - and my "Mara" immediately says "Because of your good job at the gym!" That's attributing a lot to a few extra pushups, when we all know that scale wiggle is caused by the number of meteorites crashing to the earth the night before, LOL. That's been written on the Internet.


onebyone - Honking Kudos for walking out of the grocery store with none of the snacky things. Ouch for the achy muscles - hope they settle down with some rest. Good luck using your creative mind to think of a vacation that fits the budget.

LOL at your tolerance for rain. Like the idea of the dress code at an art school.


Anne (wndranne) - Ouch for facing the "disaster house" after stomach virus. But Kudos for doing your run is spite of it all.

Tera (twilit tera) - Yay for MRI day. I hope all goes well. And hope you get to see your mom today also.

ChinaMaine - Waving. Picturing you sitting underneath 400 marked up pages trying to ignore them all and get back to life on your lake.

Margaret (Nuxmaga) - LOL at "tshirts with bad crab puns" - immediately assumed you were on Delaware Bay for such. Yep, hush puppies are deadly, as befits their total lack of any nutritional value. But boy are they good. Kudos for your own good choices and for making substitutions to get what you wanted.

Erika (eusebius) - Kudos for doing Day 12: Practice Hunger Tolerance by skipping lunch a day ahead of schedule!!! That's a big deal to me because I took a full week to get myself to skip lunch - thought it would be the end of the world. Expected unimaginable suffering. Felt a bit wimpy when hunger passed in about an hour and the day just progressed.

And Kudos for doing the big dinner without seconds even.

hmmmmm... Need to think about Mara meaning sabotaging emotions also. To be useful that would mean I choose my emotions. Gotta work that one.


Une (irishune) - Big Kudos for using NO CHOICE to get thee to the gym when you still detest it. And Kudos for writing down what you eat. My experience was that it got easier - hope it does for you also.

It's so powerful for an adult to use the word "disobedient;" great that you are observing your own behavior so that making choices becomes possible. Count me as a member of that club that hates being told what to do.


FutureFitChick - Kudos for giving yourself credit for eating sitting down and for reading your goal cards. This giving myself credit still feels awkward to me. The first time I tried it was so uncomfortable that the only way I could do it was to type "CREDIT moi" which seemed so silly that it felt OK - so that's the way I've done it ever since. And thanks for the kind words.

Readers - How Thin People Think

• Do you sometimes eat even when you're not really hungry? In other words, can you really tell the difference between being hungry and just wanting to eat?
. . .
The Beck Diet Solution, pg 33.

eusebius
07-25-2009, 10:01 AM
Morning Coaches! 5 days of being OP has helped so many aspects of my life - sleeping, energy levels, emotional equilibrium. I want to thank all of you for being so helpful & supportive! Beckies are the best :) Today is Day 13 so I'll be focusing on riding out cravings ... wish me luck (& strength)!

Looks like thunderstorms this afternoon so we may head out to the new indoor playground in the burbs. Some good opportunity for spontaneous exercise there I would imagine <grin> Also some opportunity for relaxing and knitting too, I hope.

Finally made it to the fabric store yesterday so I have a couple of bag projects to start work on. All is right with the world LOL.

wndranne - Glad everyone is feeling better. Good job getting out for your run!

FutureFitChick - Congrats on getting to day 4! What is your favourite aspect of Superfoods RX? It sounds like it might be useful for many of us to read.

Tera - Taking it easy is GOOD! Glad your Mom is getting some relief, at least. Good thoughts to you both.

onebyone - Well done avoiding the creamy and snacky stuff! I am glad you are listening to your body and taking the rest it needs. You said it about the summer here in Ontario - I feel like I'm still in Newfoundland. Bummer about the vacation. Do you think you could even just drive somewhere close for the weekend? (If it were me and I lived in Ottawa, that would be Montreal without a doubt, or the Gatineaus for more peace, but that's just me ...)

Nuxmaga - You are doing so well with OP food and exercise while at the show! Kudos! I actually think the idea of a back-up donut is awesome - just in principle, not so much for dieting of course. LOL.

ChinaMaine - Congrats on 2.5 lbs!! Fantastic! And well done staying OP as well!

Bill - LOL on the scale wiggle being caused by meteorites. It's written on the internet so it must be true, right? Of course! Well done on your increased gym levels!!

Regarding Mara and sabotaging emotions - I actually am coming to think that it's not our thoughts and emotions that we choose so much as our reactions to them. For me thoughts and emotions come so quickly that it would be impossible to prevent them from arising ... the skill I'm working on is more to label them and be able to "invite them to tea" and sit with them. So you can see that Mara is there, whether in the form of thoughts or emotions, and not necessarily react by defending against him or pushing him away. That's my understanding of it ... what do you think??

Wishing everyone a great OP Beck weekend!
cheers
Erika

BillBlueEyes
07-26-2009, 04:44 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Did Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince on Saturday night. To my surprise, the theater was less than half full - we got there 20 minutes early to fight for a seat and had our choice of the house. Yay for the Internet where I googled synopsis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Half-Blood_Prince) and was quickly reminded of the complex story just before we went. CREDIT moi for being almost the only people in the theater NOT eating popcorn. Only a couple of kids in the audience young enough to be bored by the teen angst and snogging. Alas, my crush on Hermione remains strong.

Walked hard enough in the afternoon to work up a good sweat; CREDIT moi. Was so happy that it was warm enough to go out in shorts since we're still having unseasonable cold around here. Happened upon mangos going for $4.99 for a box of ten!!!! Grabbed those babies; CREDIT moi. It's mango time around here for a spell.


ChinaMaine - Yay for the professional success of your meeting and Kudos for remaining OP with food and exercise the whole time. Glad to hear that Moose forgave you for your absence and took a walk down a muddy Maine road. Kudos to you for wanting to walk badly enough to clean up a dog afterwards, LOL.

Yep, long discarded habits remain so ready to reappear. I like that when, for example, getting on a bicycle after many years; don't like it so much when popping snacks while talking with DS. You'd think they'd just fade away. For example, when I returned after four weeks, I didn't remember which way the shower faucet was hot - more than 20 years with that same faucet and, poof, gone. Had to relearn hot vs. cold. But riding a bicycle and popping snacks remain ready and waiting.


Erika (eusebius) - Kudos for your five days OP; you've certainly jumped back into your grove with style. Sending supportive thoughts as you do Day 13: Overcome Cravings. I remember taking comfort from Beck's promise:Cravings usually peak withing the first few weeks of your diet. Once you limit or stop eating the foods you crave (usually fast food, sweets, salty snacks, and the like), your cravings for these foods will diminish significantly.

Thanks for the insight about Mara - that it's my reactions to thoughts and emotions that I can learn to control, not the thoughts and emotions themselves. Love the language, "invite them to tea" and sit with them. I am again amazed how relevant Buddhist insights remain after some 2500 years.


Readers - How Thin People Think
. . .
• Are you sometimes concerned that you might not have an opportunity to eat? Do you ever have such thoughts as, What if I get hungry later?
. . .
The Beck Diet Solution, pg 33.

maryblu
07-26-2009, 10:05 AM
BillBE, you *never*cease*to*amaze *me. Never. Harry Potter, crush on Hermoine. ..I do not have any trouble believing it, but it delights me nonetheless.

Most of my heroes are authors, and J.K. Rowling sits at the top with a select handful ..btw, wndranne..and BillBE and all who want to be delighted..have you found Mary Stewart and the tale of King Arthur as told by Merlin?

The Crystal Cave, The Hollow Hills, The Last Enchantment. That is the trilogy.

I need to address your question about the Nutrition Action Newsletter issue, Bill. The first four pages devoted to Kessler. As I read it, I kept thinking of onebyone
I think if you can get your hands on Kessler's book, it might help you. It might make you mad, and sometimes mad is what it takes. It is maddening that there is an effort to combine fat, salt, and sugar to entice and trigger the spots in our brain that react as rats in a cage and want more, more, more. It is worth a shot, onebyone. Get mad.

The solution of course, is to eat "real" food, not the stuff laced with addictive additives. Luckily for me, real food includes basil, garlic, Parmesan Cheese, olive oil, and pine nuts. Pesto and whole wheat Angel Hair pasta is "real" food. The raspberries are NOT being eaten slowly and mindfully and while seated. They are being eaten right off the vine. Sorry, Judith, for the phrasing, but .."Bite me". Fresh raspberries are meant to be eaten off the vine as the urge arises..and they are conveniently located on my way to the compost pile.

Did 9 hours of almost non stop gardening yesterday. Was grateful for the cool, cloudy *ahem..fall day..back to summer today, which means garden now..and later..housework in between.

Later, Beckies.

eusebius
07-26-2009, 10:37 AM
Morning all -
6 days OP now. I'm liking the streak! Tonight is dinner with mom & dad at their house ... lucky I have some flex points left. It's Day 14 - Plan Your Eating so I wrote out a meal plan for tomorrow.
Tomorrow I will start exercising again with a half-hour walk. With the weather we're having, I won't be surprised if it's on the treadmill ... oh well.

Bill - Don't you mean "snogging" LOL. Funny, we saw HP last weekend and the theatre wasn't full then either. Well done on popcorn avoidance, walking hard, and mangos! Glad you like the Mara insights ... they certainly help me a lot.

Maryblu - Would love to read Mary Stewart sometime. Love Rowling, Tolkien, Philip Pullman et al. Right now I am reading Diana Gabaldon's "Outlander" series, which is only slightly trashy :dizzy:

:hug: to all

Ciao!
Erika

ChinaMaine
07-26-2009, 11:29 AM
Just a flyby for now. Have a houseful of guests, need to walk Moose, etc. :D But I just had to reply to Maryblu on Mary Stewart. Mary Stewart was my favorite author in high school (before discovering Heinlein and Tolkein). Okay Jane Austen has always been my favorite, but my favorite *except* for Jane.

That trilogy was wonderful. I read it several times -- so it holds up? I may have to make the Crystal Cave a mini-goal reward.

Thanks for the memories, Maryblu!!

RobinW
07-26-2009, 02:33 PM
:wave: quick hello

Im a bit worn down. Just tired of being everything to everyone.

So, Im not in the best mood, and ticked at myself for not taking better care of me...and letting others feed themselves or do laundry etc, etc, etc. Im in need of a big bubbly calgon bath!

Erika~ Im in Buffalo (north buffalo) so no,you probably arent too far at all from me. I loved the Outlander series! Ive read them 2x! Because by the time the latest book came around I couldnt remember alot of the orginal story LOL

Have a great day everyone...

onebyone
07-26-2009, 09:04 PM
Hi Coaches

I was out being a good friend today to my newly-car-less friends with my rental car and one of the places we went was Value Village, a chain second hand store and I found a Beck Diet For Life book on their shelves. :carrot: Pretty much untouched. :carrot: It looked like the previous owner read a few pages in and that was that. So I got my book for $4.99 a very good deal. I was leafing through it and it doesn't have the breakdown into days that my workbook has. Hmmm. Though it does have a breakdown in the back of the book, in a tick-the-boxes-off chart. I guess I'll have to read it. That feels like too much work today. How awful is that?

I think I'm depressed.

Anyhoo... Food was not so good today. I ate at meal times but I ate poorly. I'd give myself 30% for the day cause I made sure to eat fresh fruit. credit. I did manage to once more freeze some food for later so credit for doing that. I am still sleeping in the afternoon. Still recovering my energy I think and yesterday I bent over the side of the tub to wash my hair under the faucett and I pulled a muscle in my neck! I could not believe it. I feel so decrepit - like I'm held together by old rusty snaps and they're popping open because they just don't work anymore.
*snap*
*sigh*

So I won't continue this note any longer.

maryblu I need to address your question about the Nutrition Action Newsletter issue, Bill. The first four pages devoted to Kessler. As I read it, I kept thinking of onebyone
I think if you can get your hands on Kessler's book, it might help you. It might make you mad, and sometimes mad is what it takes. It is maddening that there is an effort to combine fat, salt, and sugar to entice and trigger the spots in our brain that react as rats in a cage and want more, more, more. It is worth a shot, onebyone. Get mad.
I think I'll look him up. Thanks for the tip :hug: getting mad often makes me move or make a change. Any specific book I should be looking for that you recommend?

:wave: at the gang -- have a good evening.

ChinaMaine
07-26-2009, 10:04 PM
The guests are gone, the rain is here and I’m tired! But it was a fun weekend. As keeps happening in this oh-so-dreary-summer, we had one fantastic day this weekend – Saturday. Kayaking, fishing, a bonfire, and good conversation made it a lovely day. Today was back to normal - it started foggy and devolved into weather-misery. But we still squeezed in fishing (my brother and his daughters) and kayaking (me and my SIL). Food was op in calories, and I stayed op for drinking as well. Since my brother and SIL are exercising daily and dieting, we took turns in engaging in serious exercise both days. It’s certainly a lot more fun that way! :)

:df: WI-up 0.25 lbs from Friday. Saturday: Read my cards, made a plan. (Didn’t do either on Sunday, oh well…) Food – op, Exercise – op.



Bill :bravo: for hitting pre-vacation gym levels! The mangos sound fantastic!

Erika Kudos for being op again – you are definitely in a groove. Hope you had good luck with day 13!

Robin :hug: and hope you got a long, hot soak!

one by one I’m sorry you’re still feeling depressed. :hug: but credit for eating fresh fruit – and for posting here – and for buying a Beck book! Too bad about pulling your neck…

maryblu
07-26-2009, 11:42 PM
Onebyone, that is David Kessler's book. As I reread the newsletter today with the highlights of his book, I was struck by how much his strategies mirror Beck's. Listen to what he says:

Replace chaos with structure. Determine ahead of time what you will eat. Block everything else out. Sound familiar?

I am skipping ahead...

Rehearse. Anticipate your moves..tell yourself, "If I encounter chocolate-covered pretzels, I will keep walking." Sound familiar?

The neat part about Beck is she lays out every possible scenario, catches us with every possible sabotaging thought, and just doesn't let us get away with it.

It is maddening, though, what the food industry is up to..

Hope it helps.

Update on raspberries; I actually picked a bowl and brought them in to eat with yogurt. Yum.

Was excited to see a few teeny tiny green beans forming today. I feel as if I had had an ultrasound and saw a tiny fetus, I was so excited. It has been a dreadful year for warm season veggies. Great for flowers, for veggies, not so much.

irishune
07-27-2009, 04:19 AM
Hi All

Cloudy monday morning here in Ireland.Seems the weather has not been great for a lot of you in the USA this summer either.Everyone I know was so hoping for a good summer to lift the economic doom and swine flu gloom that is completely enveloping us but so far no joy.
I had an OP weekend for food and OP for exercise.(my exercise plan for the weekend is always to take a break from it until Monday.It is at least a plan)
My success to date in staying on plan revolves around writing it all down but also keeping to a few simple meal choices.I have around 5 basic lunches and dinners and I recycle them unless I am eating out.I know this would be too boring for many people and on my diet programme we are of course encouraged to be creative and cook fab, gourmet meals. I find it easier when I am not thinking about food or planning complicated recipes.I tell myself it is only fuel and it only needs to be healthy and eneough to keep me going.I eat it all freshly cooked and lots of fruit and veg so I will see how this works for me.Maybe this is just what I need now and when I feel more confident I will introduce more variety.I do realise though that the food itself is not that important to me.I have no particular cravings.I am overweight because I have no concept of when I am full.I eat totally mindlessly and have used food all my life to fill up huge holes of stress,boredom or anxiety or any other uncomfortable emotions and have done so since childhood. These holes can never be filled up with food but I have never stopped trying. This is why I like Beck.It is a thinking programme.I need to ask myself "why am I doing this?" when overeating.
Day 18-----"you might link the sensation of overfulness with feeling safe or protected"
One-by-one---have you ever considered a house swap as a way to have a cheap holiday.It is very popular in Europe and there are loads of websites.It would only cost you your travel expenses. You could probably find somewhere quite close even. Richard Carlson has a great wee book"Stop Thinking and Start Living" which is very short but totally helpful in dealing with depressive and negative thoughts.Definitely worth a read.
Talking of readers----well done to all the book club members:)
Hope your day is better today RobinW.
Sounds like things are ok for you,Erika and ChinaMaine.Lets see if we can all have a positive week
Une

BillBlueEyes
07-27-2009, 06:33 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Did a bunch of walking that included a nice outing with DW after dinner; CREDIT moi. Saw a young Green Heron looking lost, perched on top of a chin link fence - a decidedly un-Greeen-Heron place to be - perhaps waiting for a parent to bring dinner. Also saw a Black-crowned Night Heron, a good find for that spot.

We have two juvenile Mourning Doves resident in our small yard that need to be shooed away to sit on our patio. They accept our right to be here, but otherwise pay no heed. Periodically a parent briefly appears to let them stick their bills in their gullet to get some regurgitated food

Eating was OP including a tuna fish salad for lunch made with onion, cucumber, pickled mushrooms, capers, lots of fresh ground black pepper, and no-fat yogurt served on Romaine lettuce leaves; CREDIT moi. I just love it when I make tuna fish without mayonnaise which for my whole life I just assumed was, in great quantities, the basis of tuna fish salad.


maryblu - Drooling at the thought of your raspberries on the way to the compost pile. LOL at your gentle response to the Beck-in-you that raspberries are to be eaten from the vine as the urge arises. A zillion black bears couldn't be wrong. And besides, who's ever seen an overweight black bear?

Love it that you're a J.K. Rowling's fan; I've read all seven Harry Potter's, purchasing all at dawn on release date to finish within a few days. I Amazoned the Merlin trilogy by Mary Stewart onto my shopping list; sounds like fun winter reading.


onebyone - Yay for finding Beck Diet for Life for $4.99 - that's a great bargain. Nope, Beck's second book abandons the 42 day structure, which I also really liked. It forced me to work the program instead of just reading, feeling warm, saying to myself that I already do all those things, and then ignoring it. As Anne (wndranne) points out in her review, the new Cheat Sheet is a great addition for examining wandering off our path.

Sending supportive thoughts as you find your path out of the blues. Kudos for giving yourself credit for the fresh fruit and food prep. Ouch for the pulled neck muscle; it's easy to see how that can trigger negative body feelings, but, that's just your Mara talking - you can choose your response to those feelings. Perhaps try what Erika (eusebius) wrote, "Invite them to tea."

I agree with maryblu that The End of Overeating might make you mad. It made me mad that I'm such a sucker for the manipulations of the food industry.


ChinaMaine - What a fantastic weekend even with only one sunny day. Does make me want to find a way to go kayaking again - it's been a bunch of years since I did the Saco River in Maine. Noting that you're also a Mary Stewart fan.

By-the-by, you can delete your duplicated post, if you want, by clicking [EDIT] then [DELETE] which then appears.


Erika (eusebius) - Kudos for writing out your meal plan; that means that now you can officially start monitoring your eating. I do like that Beck suggests working the program for two weeks before starting your eating plan; that so gives the right perspective. Good luck on your walk today.

And thanks for noting "snogging." That isn't a word from my teenage years.


Une (irishune) - Kudos for digging right in to the heart of the matter with, "I need to ask myself 'why am I doing this?' when overeating." You are certainly on the right track there.

Your simple eating plan sounds good to me - each of us individually has to find our way to combat mindless overeating. It was a major insight for me that I wasn't eating for any particular reason, I was just eating.


Readers - How Thin People Think
. . .
• Do you sometimes eat past the point of mild fullness?
. . .
The Beck Diet Solution, pg 33.

freer
07-27-2009, 08:28 AM
BillBlueEyes,
I haven't posted on here in a LONG time. I just wanted to thank you for your quotes at the end of your daily posts. They give me a 'thought for the day' that is very helpful!

I continue to follow Beck eating (most of the time) one year later! Thus far I've been unable to lose more, but I have maintained, so that's good news.

Just wanted to tell all of you that I'm lurking and I appreciate all of your thoughts!

kuhljeanie
07-27-2009, 09:33 AM
a mixed bag this weekend. we had a huge family reunion and two parties. i can easily destroy any calorie deficit i build up during the week on the weekends, but since i have no time for the crazy exercise sessions, i’ve been more moderate in my blow-outs. this is a good thing but it’s putting my recent eating behavior into perspective. while i’m thrilled i haven’t gained back much at all, my thinking was about 80% relapsed. must remember to thank my body for fighting for a healthier set point – and remind myself why it’s so critical to fight for a healthier mindset instead of relying on my fitness to get me through.

so:

·first weekend in a looooong time of logging everything. go me.
·emailed my diet coach and informed her that i’d be sending her my calorie totals for each day (eaten and burned.) i’ve never had that kind of accountability before to someone else. go me.
·didn’t let some off-plan eating lead to lots of more off-plan eating. go me.
·realized i’d gone over my calorie burn target without formal exercise. go me!
·gave myself permission to enjoy fantasizing about opening a bakery/café without the accompanying noise about being realistic or responsible or even having the internal conversation about whether it’s something i want to do the rest of my life. go me.
·got some really good sleep all the way up to last night. yay me and yay DH for keeping the kid away saturday morning.
·brought the leftover reunion cake into work and dropped it at the table where you put those things for everyone to take. nice work, self.

we still don’t have a solid decision on daycare, but we’ve got a couple of options that could work as a stopgap. so i’m not falling apart over that. the really crap thing right now is that in a month, we’ve had 20 showings for our house (a LOT!) but more than half the feedback forms say that the buyer’s not interested at least in part because of the train wreck of a house next door. the guy has his windows boarded up and his backyard is pretty Clampett, if you kwim. i’m going to stop by and ask him nicely this week to clean up what he can because he’s scaring off buyers. if he doesn’t, i’m within my rights to file a complaint with the city – but i hesitate to do that because i don’t know if he’ll retaliate against my vacant house. double whammy – the insanely expensive insurance i had to switch to when we moved out doesn’t friggin’ cover vandalism. so i’m feeling stuck. am i actually stuck? not sure. maybe. dunno. two new cake orders (one for cupcakes, which is kind of new for me but i have LOTS of ideas, which i won’t share here, because they border on food porn – but i’m sort of unaffected in an odd way.) one of the people i met at the reunion is a restaurant designer who gave me a card and a catalogue, and my yoga teacher wants me to meet her friend who’s opening a new veggie restaurant and needs pastries. kismet?

bill, your tuna salad sounds so good, i may have to put it on my list for next week’s lunches. i’m thinking creamy silken tofu would work beautifully as a base too. definitely worth a try! hi freer! :hat: onebyone, i’m right there with you. some days i just feel so exhausted and i’m spending a lot of energy wondering if everything is really worth the effort, when houses just deteriorate, money gets drained, and people are so busy and wrapped up in their stuff it’s hard to just enjoy each other even if you can get past all the scheduling challenges. i miss having my days to myself. i’m getting super resentful of the time i spend commuting through 45 solid miles of construction (and that’s just the highway time – doesn’t count the ½ hour of onramp/offramp sweating and swearing.) and please, PLEASE STOP RAINING! my basement is flooded and i’m going to have to spend more freaking money to pay someone to fix it so someone else will BUY THE STUPID HOUSE.

thanks guys…that kind of turned into a rant, huh? :^:

une, i’m envious! i wish i didn’t really care about food. beck is such a fabulous fit for you! mary, i think i need to read the Kessler book too. i’m reading the instinct diet right now but it’s taking me forever to get through – no time. i’ve got a bunch of cookie and cupcake books coming from amazon…how’s that for ironic? i probably won’t have time to really read those either, though. china, your weekend sounds lovely. and robin, what we need is a big virtual hot tub so to hang out in! i have a real one at the cincinnati house…if we move it up to dayton it’ll cost $350, but more importantly will leave a big spot on the deck that will require even more money to stain and seal. so i press on without. erika, go you! love those streaks…ride it as long as it lasts so i can enjoy it vicariously through you until mine starts!

until later...

AnneWonders
07-27-2009, 09:50 AM
Coaches/Buddies I rode up the local mountain on my bike this weekend. About 36 miles and 7000 vertical feet of climbing. OUCH. Ran into weather and had to call a friend to haul me down. Double OUCH. Flat tires too. Not my best day.

I'm seconding maryblu's comment about being struck by Kessler's strategies being Beck ones. I was astonished. Lots of astonishing stuff in that book, including "pre-chewed" (I paraphrase but not much) chicken breasts at your local chain restaurant. Yuck.

Hanging in for today.

BillBE, LOL on Hermione. You should really look up the Michael Scott Alchemist series if you haven't already.

:wave: everyone. I seem to have lost the ability to do personals. I'm once again glad you are all here, and am hoping to get my stuff together any day now.

Anne

onebyone
07-27-2009, 08:08 PM
:wave: Hi Everybody!

So I ended up reading the introduction and the first two chapters of the BDFL book. I was reminded why I came here in the first place. I'd forgotten that it seems. In this second book she really emphasizes more of certain aspects of the first book. I wish I had my book in front of me but I don't. Anyway this time I truly understand why advantage response cards, ARC's, are so valuable and why we read them everyday. I can't believe this escaped me last time. It's to make the responses to food temptations and situations automatic, so we don't have to rely on our own automatic responses which got me here to over 270lbs.

My automatic responses cannot be trusted to lead me to weightloss. Not at all. So I am literally "filling my head" with alternative thoughts and behaviours to do/think when my own history would lead me astray.

I guess I fill my head now so I don't fill my face later?

And I do it NOW, right NOW, not when faced with the sweet thing, when I am starving cause I missed my breakfast as I rushed out the door cause I was late cause I stayed up too late the night before because I really didn't want to face the coming day... you know those kinds of days. I used to have a a lot of them. For me these are the effects of procrastination--guilt & avoidance behaviours. I need to just do what needs to be done and put it behind me. And if I really don't want to do that anymore, and I can change it, I need to take the actions to do that too.

Dr. Beck promises in her book that this will be the LAST TIME I will ever have to lose weight. Dr. Beck promises that I will also be able to maintain my weight in all circumstances. Dr. Beck promises that if I do what she says to the T I will get these results. I think I may have to remind myself of these promises and call her on them. I will do whatever she says and we'll see if it works. She says it will. whatevergirlfriend My job is to do the work and let's just see if she's as smart as she says she is. If I can do it and get the results she promises it's really something. I am a hard nut, with 35 years of hardcore eating and weight gain and weight loss only through deprivation and unhealthy extreme dieting. I have been unable to maintain any loss and my weight goes up and now I am 45 and my biology is making it that much harder.

So I am going to follow her new book to a T and that will be my new job. I will do my best to do that and if I fall off the path I will follow her recommendations as to how to find the path again. You guys are my buddies/coaches and I promise to continue to be honest and to try until "it gets easier and easier" (Dr. Beck promise heretofore known as DBP).

So for today, the day I gather some of my materials and make a list for what I don't have, I have eaten sitting down 95% of the time, and eaten slowly (credit). I did eat standing up twice. I bought a very bad food and consumed it all, sitting down (credit for the sitting down), and considered it my lunch. I did eat breakfast (credit).

wndranne You wrote that you "ran into weather". Is this wind? When we visited Las Vegas we discovered that "weather" there is wind... Or did you have rain? I'm very curious to know what you ran into! Kudos for attempting that climb on your bike...sorry for the flat tires :(

kuhljeanieone of the people i met at the reunion is a restaurant designer who gave me a card and a catalogue, and my yoga teacher wants me to meet her friend who’s opening a new veggie restaurant and needs pastries. kismet?
I see you are staying open to the possibilities and the universe is answering. Interesting. Keep following the path my friend - it's leading you somewhere for sure. Big CREDITS for all your good Beck work. And it seems you are creating some needed balance for yourself. Excellent. I'll give you a gold star:wizard:=extra credit for that one! So hard to do.

freer Credit to you for realizing what an accomplishment it is to keep the weight off. Awesome. Glad to hear from you and that you are doing well.

BillBlueEyes Funny you should write about tuna fish salad. I have had a hankering for collecting some tuna salad and salmon salad recipes for lunches for myself. I think this would be a very doable way for me to get some fish (with a minor in vegetables) into my life. I think no-fat yogurt is icky but I'll give it a try. If it can replace mayo then it's a good thing. Credit on being OP.

irishuneMy success to date in staying on plan revolves around writing it all down but also keeping to a few simple meal choices.I have around 5 basic lunches and dinners and I recycle them unless I am eating out. this is my future plan too. I have read in several books now and several places that keeping choices to a minimum is a really really good strategy. For me, I think it will be a really great way to go too. Thank for reporting in that it's working for you. Credit to you for being and staying OP over the weekend. I know weekends can be real challenges.

maryblu I found a shared audio file of David Kessler that I am looking forward to listening to. :soap: on I do get really mad to find out I am duped by something to behave a certain way. grrrr. Lots of brilliant minds out there all trying to predict our every move and to force us into their boxes FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT. ugh. Terrible. The sheer immorality of so many systems and things in our world just make me crazy. I feel it a personal duty to resist as much as I can. :soap: off I'll report back on the Kessler audio stuff when I've listened to it...

ChinaMaine Kudos for being OP through your weekend with guests even! Your resistance muscle remains flexed and toned. ;) Good work.

RobinW :hug: Sometimes we are the last thing on our own to-do lists. I know all about that. Credit for knwoing you need to move up to the top of the priority list. I hope you had you Calgon bath. Me? I like my Powerpuff Girls grape bubblebath (I shouldn't be using it up. It'll be collectible someday!) or Mr. Bubbles... Hope you had a good start to the week.

Okay ta ta for now.

ChinaMaine
07-27-2009, 09:05 PM
Back to work, did the work any chimp could do today. But had a good day from a food / exercise perspective, although nothing stellar. But since I wasn’t too enthused – extra credit! ;)

:df: WI-up 1 lb, Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op, Exercise – op.



one by one Wow – big credit to you! It’s great you are reading Beck’s book with a fresh eye; getting materials together, etc. It is a new day, and you are starting anew! We are all rooting for you!!

Anne Perhaps it wasn’t your best day, but certainly quite an acheivement – 36 miles and 7K vertical feet. Credit! No worries about personals, just love to see you post. Especially when you don’t have a headache. :)

freer :wave: – credit for maintaining – I think maintaining is harder than losing weight. You don’t have the frequent positive feedback of weight going down, etc.

Bill It’s nice to hear about the herons and mourning doves. I love the sound of mourning doves; makes me sleepy. Is the Saco fast water? I am a still water kayaker, but may try to learn fast water sometime. All my nephews (and DS) are avid fast water kayakers, but my reflexes and steering are not up to it yet.

Une Too bad the weather is as bad in Ireland as it is in much of the states and Canada this year. I think your diet plan sounds very reasonable – as Bill said, we each have to find our own way. So the most important thing is if the plan works for you. I can see where simplicity in food prep would work really well. Good luck!

Maryblu Dreaming of fresh picked raspberries. I wonder if our wild ones will mature in this miserable summer?

AnneWonders
07-27-2009, 10:05 PM
Quickie for onebyone. My "weather" was hail, thunderstorms and really really close lightning. Not a great day on the bike.

Anne

Walking Princess
07-28-2009, 12:28 AM
Hi,

I'm brand new to this support board. I've been looking for a message board for other people following the Beck Diet Solution. I'm so glad I found you!

I am married with one son who is 7. I have struggled with my weight most of my life. I am not skinny "naturally". This books is the first thing that has made me feel that I can really be successful permanently this time. I am currently on day 17 and love the program so much!

Anyway, thank you for letting me join you. Have a great evening.

Kara

BillBlueEyes
07-28-2009, 05:42 AM
:welcome: Kara (Walking Princess) :welcome:

And, on the occasion of your first post to 3FC, :wel3fc:

How did you find out about Dr. Beck's books?

And how did you find this thread on 3FC?

BillBlueEyes
07-28-2009, 06:36 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Did gym with an improved attitude; CREDIT moi. Instead of counting down the reps through clenched teeth wishing it was over, I concentrated on the exercise, accepting that the muscles were supposed to feel the strain. Enjoyed that improvement.

Small victory: When passing a secretary's desk with a candy dish, I noticed that I wasn't drawn to it. CREDIT moi. Nice for me since before my journey, every dish I saw I wanted some. And, during my early time, I had to counter every dish with "That's Not About Me."

Was abandoned by my DW to grub for my own dinner, so found some lemon pepper chicken and grilled veggies at the supermarket deli that I could eat cold in our seasonably appropriate, but recently rare, warm evening; CREDIT moi. Not bad, and I saved enough to have for lunch today.


Jean (kuhljeanie) - Kudos for re-dedication to a "healthier mindset." I particularly liked, "gave myself permission to enjoy fantasizing about opening a bakery/café without the accompanying noise about being realistic or responsible or even having the internal conversation about whether it’s something i want to do the rest of my life." Love the thought of having someplace to be free!!!

Good luck approaching your Cincinnati neighbor about the yard; Yep, that's a tricky one. Is there some way to make it sending over your yard crew to tidy up for the "over-sensitive" buyers?


onebyone - Thanks for the reminders of the first two chapters of The Complete Beck Diet for Life. I like getting refreshed about reading my Advantage Response Cards; that it's training my brain to think differently.

Kudos for firing up your determination to do the Beck strategies. It's great to share your enthusiasm.


Anne (wndranne) - Good grief, "hail, thunderstorms and really really close lightning." This dessert living is for the seriously hearty. But Big Kudos for doing the 36 miles with 7000 foot climb; I'm impressed.

Put "Michael Scott Alchemist" on my reading list, thanks.


ChinaMaine - Yep, Extra Kudos for being OP when not so enthused. Aren't you supposed to be incorporating some 400 pages of corrections at the office, LOL?

Yep, the Saco has some challenging white water places; when i did it, we did the more gentle stretches. I distinctly recall the heart pounding as I just barely steered us away from one boulder bringing into focus that this was the real thing.


Freer - Thanks for letting us know that you're still around and following the posts and Beck quotes. Kudos for maintaining using your Beck skills.

Are you still "Teachersizing?" Or do you have the summer off to pursue some dream?


Kara (Walking Princess) - Yay that you've already made it to Day 17: End Overeating. Have you already done your Advantage Response Cards and would you care to share some of them here?

Glad you found us also. I share that feeling that the Beck strategies can make this weight loss permanent.


Readers - How Thin People Think
. . .
• Do you fool yourself about your eating? In other words, do you sometimes tell yourself that it "won't matter" if you eat a small piece of something you're not supposed to eat?
. . .
The Beck Diet Solution, pg 33.

freer
07-28-2009, 07:42 AM
Bill

The Teachersizing is set to begin in about a month! :)

kuhljeanie
07-28-2009, 12:39 PM
feeling a little better today. (amazing what the end of PMS will do for a gal.) appetite is happily back in its cage and under control. i forget how much power hormones have over all my systems!

still not sure what to do about the neighbors house. if i wait long enough, maybe the problem will go away on its own. it’d be a decision to do nothing, which might make me feel a little less powerless. and who knows – maybe someone will like the house enough to buy it. i did.

did great on calories yesterday and managed to get about 20 minutes of dance dance revolution on the wii (thanks DH!) it’s not an ideal workout, but if i can get my food in line, it won’t be so critical. still working on getting enough sleep. i give myself plenty of time for it, but it’s a Herculean effort to get my brain to shut up, and i’ve been waking up in the middle of the night for no good reason at all. cripes.

and now that i’m thinking about it, i should probably redo my ARCs. onebyone, would you mind if i joined you in a re-start? i won’t stop doing what i’m already doing but it can’t help but improve my mindset. and thanks for the extra credit! right back at you. smooch.

hi freer! :wave:and yep, bill, just starting to realize how much i edit my own dreams for appropriateness. that’s gotta stop. if i can’t be free in my own head, how will it happen in my life? go china! for doing it even when it’s not particularly exciting or fun. need to bring that kind of thinking into my food prep. mazel tov anne on your ride!! wow. between you and mary i went ahead and put myself on the waitlist at the library for the Kessler book. sounds like it’s right up our collective alley! (that sounds sort of dirty for some reason.)

welcome kara! i just got back from an extended hiatus so i’m sort of a new face myself. :^:

ChinaMaine
07-28-2009, 09:24 PM
Saw my endocrinologist this morning. I got blood work on Friday and found out my TSH (thyroid test) was normal – better than normal, it was optimal. I asked for an appt to discuss why I’m not feeling 100% yet. Mentally and physically I’m about 90%, but I still can’t hike like I used to and I’m really not mentally in my game at work either. He’s a great doctor to talk to, and he agreed we should double-check my T3 (another thyroid test) to be sure it’s good. He called this afternoon and my T3 is fine. But my TSH has gone too far, so that it’s too low now. So I have to cut one thyroid pill in half once a week to try and get the overall weekly dosage right. :lol: Hey, whatever works, right? He thinks my last 10% could be due to the slight over-medication of my thyroid, but might be something else too. So, I’ll talk to my primary about what other causes there could be…

I talked to my DS and DH this week about our vacation coming up next week. We love to hike (up Harney Peak and down Sunday Gulch – our 2 favs), but broke it to them I wouldn’t be able to join this time. We are all a bit bummed, but at least I feel as good as I do. I feel so much better now than I did even 6 weeks ago -- gotta count my blessings. :angel:

:df: WI-unchanged, Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op, Exercise – op.



Kuhljeanie Nice that you have food back under control. DDR – I hear it’s a lot of fun. And any exercise is good exercise – if it’s fun it should help reduce stress. Sounds great to me! I hope you can find a way to shut your brain down and sleep through the night…

Bill It’s nice you weren’t enticed by the candy dish! Small victories like that add up… Yes I finished incorporating the changes today. The ones I did yesterday were just repetitive, etc. Going through whitewater can be such fun – better than a rollercoaster!

Walking Princess :welcome3: It’s great you are so far along in the book. I agree, I knew when I read the book that I’d found the ‘golden ticket’. :)

Anne :wave:

onebyone
07-28-2009, 10:06 PM
Hello Coaches

I haven't read any Beck today so pretty much what I said yesterday still stands. I am stalled at getting index cards for Pete's sake. Can you say procrastination? Hello? I am perfectly able to cut up 3" x 5" rectangles from all this paper I have around here and make my own index cards...is there something inherently magical about buying them? Maybe I'll go into my paint program on this computer and draw 3" x 5" rectangles and print them out...sec... okay the printer's printing something a lot bigger than a 3x5 but they are labeled Advantages Response Card and they have official looking lines and I'll have 12 blank ones. Tonight I promise to write some out and report back tomorrow with that.

So last night DH asked if I wanted to go for a walk. It was late and I was ready for bed and I said no then couldn't live with myself so I said yes and we went out. On the way back my left thigh was on fire. Really really felt like it was on fire-more than before. For those who don't know I was diagnosed with meralgia parentheisis (sp?) and it means the nerve going through my hip bone into my leg is being squished. major cause? Weight gain-esp. quick weight gain. I have always known 270 is too much for my frame. I started to get sore hips when I reached this weight, the 2nd time in my life, after promising I'd lose 25lbs for my graduation which caused me to gain 25lbs instead. So it can go away if I get the weight off before I do permanent damage- unknown what that is or how long that takes-but for me this comes and goes and last night was shocker! As soon as I sit down it goes away. I did eat a bunch of sugar crap for lunch and I wondered...does sugar cause inflammation? My gut is telling me to cut out all things that are known to cause inflammation in the body--I seem to recall white sugar is one of those things. So my mind/emotions are now starting to connect bad feeling in leg muscles with eating sugar crap.
This can only be good.
Cause meet effect.
I did think all day about Dr. Beck's promises to me in her book. She'd better mean it cause I mean it. I think I will write her promises down so I can remember them, like part of my ARC's but the superstructure and the big part of why I am doing THIS program in particular and not something else.

I spent the day mopey again. I had to cancel the Ocean Cove oceanfront campsite we would have been staying at this Friday and Saturday. Then I had to cancel the rental car for the week. And then I had to feel my disappointment and my envy at my friend's taking holidays and I can't. 3rd year now of making plans to get to the Lunenburg Folk Art Festival. 3rd year of canceling because we can't afford it. When I told DH I'd put in my campsite cancellation email a note that we'd be there in September he actually guffawed and that just made me :mad:. I am *trying* not to be so ornery but I guess with school ending and a full time job for the month looming plus looking ahead to the fall and the return of the awful ceramic teacher (ugh) I will have to please (which is not possible) I am feeling like I am back where I started...back to making stock for shows if i can get the money to do them, back to trying to figure out what to make to sell, back to life the way it was before I went to school = big feeling so Why Did I Bother?
Oh well. It's all transition stuff. I just took my grad show work down at the school. We're all moving on. being your own boss is never a clear road anyway. Don't mind me. I'm just not used to having time on my hands without the relentless pressure of insane deadlines... plus I am feeling old and fat. So time to focus on that last bit. Really-- that's why I am here. Thanks for letting me "talk".

kuhljeanie I welcome the pleasure of your company in a re-start. Like I said I am aiming to do an ARC tonight. You? And when will you post it? Soon?
:hug:

freer :wave:

Billblueeyes I read this this morning and then used it as I passed by the foodstuffs stand at the foot of the escalator on my way to the school where I always go
Nice for me since before my journey, every dish I saw I wanted some. And, during my early time, I had to counter every dish with "That's Not About Me." Every time I see their stuff I want it but I said to myself "that's not about me" and then i went past the other place and the other place and the place beside it...it's like running the gauntlet: keep the chin up and move firmly yet quickly and do not linger because there's nothing to see here - move along aka that's not about me... Thanks for mentioning that this morning. It helped me today.

Walking Princess :welcome: Glad you found us and I look forward to your posts.

wndranne Wow hail thunderstorms and lightning... cold enough to hail and then to land as hail... bet that was surprise! Glad you had someone you could call... Thanks for telling me that. I would not have guessed in a million years. Hope you had a better day today.

ChinaMaine Credit for your plain old good day with OP food and exercise *yawn whatever* So incredible it has become ROUTINE! AWESOME. (I think I will add a little persist in victory here just so you can keep it in your pocket...)

I'm off to do an ARC and then read and then watch something... fun :carrot:
Have a good night.

Nuxmaga
07-28-2009, 10:12 PM
Quick note as I recover from my craft show weekend and all I need to catch up on.

Today, tracked food, credit. Stayed on plan, credit. Read rest of Thin Commandments, credit(more on that in the future). DH continues to make lists of calories in whatever he cooks for me--bless his heart.

I had a pretty good show--made my booth fee back and a bit more--and was more proactive in getting names for my newsletter mailing list--30! And made some contacts, had some interesting conversations. I stayed OP except for a brownie on Sunday afternoon, when the crowd was thinning and mostly lookers, but I did cut it in half and give the rest to DH, credit. Had a delicious Indian meal on the way home, with foods I researched as most healthy-- yellow lentils, spicy eggplant, and baked bread(rather than fried).

My doctor was pleased yesterday at my check-in that my weight was down 6 lbs since I was last there, and that my blood pressure numbers are great. Yay!

Personals soon--hope everyone is doing well.

BillBlueEyes
07-29-2009, 05:50 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - My evening walk (CREDIT moi) included stopping to watch two tow trucks picking up two of the three cars in a low impact fender-bender. The little boy in me just loves tow trucks with their mechanical arms that extend under the car tires. Boy those operators work fast; I wanted to applaud.

Lunch time walk (CREDIT moi) was to deliver a couple of mangoes to my DD. The money saved by buying 10 of them for $4.99 isn't reduced for any that I give away, as long as I give them away before they are too ripe to eat. Selective accounting, LOL.

And, I learned something not in Beck: "Green Cooking Bananas" are not the same as bananas that aren't ripe yet. Bummer. I bought some and tried to peel one for my breakfast. Yikes. It remained hard as a rock, nearly un-peelable, and left a sticky on my hands that didn't come off with soap (I eventually used hand lotion, then soap). Oh Well.


Jean (kuhljeanie) - Kudos for "20 minutes of dance dance revolution on the wii." I admire working mothers who can squeeze in any time at all with a demanding little one. And Yay that the "appetite is happily back in its cage." Yep, you sound like you're finding your groove.

onebyone - kudos for printing our your own index cards for your Advantage Response Cards; perhaps you'll find a graphical way to do them. Ouch for the vacation cancellations; hoping you can find something local that feels different.

I'm making a copy of your "there's nothing to see here - move along;" that might help me when I'm when out on a walk and am drawn to Whole Foods like a gawker to an accident, LOL.

Kudos for going for the evening walk with your DH even though you were mentally ready for bed. Ouch for the thigh "on fire." Hoping that helps the part of you getting your onebyone into full working mode. Yep, I believe the Beck promises are real and you can hold her to them.


ChinaMaine - Kudos for your persistence in chasing down the cause of your energy levels. Sounds encouraging that you have a medication adjustment that might make a difference.

Ouch for the change to vacation plans. Hope you can figure out a shorter hike.


Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Congrats on "a pretty good show;" Kudos for working on your newsletter mailing list, and Kudos for restricting your indulgences to half a brownie. Look forward to hearing more about Thin Commandments.

Freer - So, a month until school starts again - nice. Are you still doing Jazzercise?


Readers - How Thin People Think
. . .
• Do you comfort yourself with food?
. . .
The Beck Diet Solution, pg 33.

eusebius
07-29-2009, 07:50 AM
Hi coaches - Sorry I've been AWOL. I can tell you why. Insomnia has reared its ugly head. I've been waking up at 2, and 3:30, and 5, and not really sleeping after that. It's a long story but there are a number of reasons for it. Last night I took 2 Benadryls before bed and managed to get about 9 hours, so I'm still alive.

I'm happy to report that I have not gone off plan, however, and managed to start both walking and strength training again this week. In fact I've lost 4 lbs as of Monday! So this Beck/CBT thing works even under onerous circumstances.

Which led me to go online and google "cognitive therapy insomnia" ... and what did I find? CBTforInsomnia.com, a drug-free CBT program for conquering insomnia. Awesome! I am so there. Like Beck for sleeping.

I'm clearly incredibly behind on personals so I'm just going to send big hugs to everyone, and a big Welcome to WalkingPrincess and Welcome Back to Freer. Welcome to the 3FatChicks Beck Diet support thread ... still the best group of buddies/coaches on the internetz!

Ciao,
Erika

kuhljeanie
07-29-2009, 09:17 AM
onebyone, you got it. ARCs at the end of this post. are you going to do the visual ones again? maybe use those mad art skills to create a picture of the advantages of onebyone at a healthy weight? i’d love to see that…like i’d love to see myself at 125 lbs. :) i’m chronically guilty of anemic dreams and that’s just gotta stop. you too, sister! what’s day 2 again? ;) i started thinking about my old list last night. i’ve actually lost and maintained enough to have experienced a lot of them already. which is wonderful, to be sure – but hardly motivation to do the work to take off the last 30-40 lbs, you know?

bill, what IS that love between boys and heavy machinery? el nino isn’t even 3 yet, and he can differentiate between a regular excavator, a bulldozer, and a backhoe. i can’t tell the difference myself. and thanks for the kudo. finding 20 minutes here and there is great, but i really need to figure out how to do it consistently. by order of coach lynn (from JM’s website – has anyone else on the board had an official, professional weight loss coach?) i’m working on getting adequate sleep first. circuit training and bonus cardio come later. fwiw, erika, i’m absolutely and completely right there with you. i go to bed at 9:45 and lie there until 11 or 12. wake up again at 2, or maybe 3, or maybe 5, then fall back asleep at quarter to six, just in time to get up for the day. sometimes the ambisleep program on the iPhone works, sometimes it doesn’t. i’m working on alternate solutions like writing down everything i’m worried about that i can’t control and setting the paper on fire to let it go. (this is less dangerous if you do it BEFORE getting into bed. :)) another thing i’m trying is to picture the issue or situation in action, then do a google-maps-type zoom out to street level, then to city and state, finally to earth, then change the perspective out into the universe. that seems to help me feel a little more peaceful too. at that point i switch on ye olde ambient-for-sleep music and pretend i’m standing at the helm of the ship of the imagination (extra credit if you can name the original captain.) but i'm also crazy-interested in hearing about CBT for insomnie. share!!! nuxmanga – wonderful report back from the doc! and what kind of art do you do? we’ve noticed more than once that there’s a magnificent preponderance of creative types on this thread. yay us. :D

so, new ARCs. i removed the ones that i’m already enjoying since they seem to encourage complacency. this may be a problem when i get to maintenance, but i’m not going to worry about that today.


i’m comfortable in and proud of my body. i like the way it looks
i can buy clothes anywhere i want. i can always find my size
i’ve got boundless energy to move through the world
i’m a great role model for my family on how to be healthy
i can sit on my husband’s lap without feeling self-conscious
i know in my heart i can accomplish whatever i set out to do, if i’m willing to put in the work
my thighs don’t rub when i walk, so i can wear a skirt when it’s hot and humid without chafing
i free up the energy currently tied up in the struggle to lose weight and make it available for living the rest of my life

onebyone
07-29-2009, 01:05 PM
Hello Coaches

I'm taking a break so I thought I'd report in.

I'm here to report in on

weight change from yesterday -1.4 (270.4)
eat sitting down & eat slowly? Yes
ARC's read? Yes.


I think I'll be back later to write out the real checklist given at the back of the new book BDFL and then I can just copy and paste and answer it daily as she says to do. She's also got some eating guildelines for Stage One she suggests that I follow so I'll attach those here as well.


i free up the energy currently tied up in the struggle to lose weight and make it available for living the rest of my life
LOVE this one. Love it.

See you guys later. I am working on what I was procrastinating over so I better get back to it.

Walking Princess
07-29-2009, 08:49 PM
Thank you so much for the warm welcome everyone :) I am really looking forward to getting to know all of you better.

I am on Day 19 and am learning so much. Bill had asked me about the response cards. I have made all the recommended ones. I usually make about 1-2 for each day, plus I have the workbook as a companion that has some pre-made ones made too. I make sure to read those at least 3 times a day. They go everywhere with me. One thing I found helpful is that I took them to Kinkos and laminated them. I figure if I'm going to be using them for a while, I didn't want them to get dirty, bent or ruined. Now they look so nice! Then I punched a hole in the top corner and I got a big metal keyring to hold them on so I just flip through them all the time. Since I make the cards each day and therefore adding more, I will have to go back and bind them again soon. I'm just saving them up to minimize the trips. My first set which had 3 full 8 1/2 x 11 laminated sheets only cost about $7 so it's not bad and money well spent as far as I'm concerned.

The hardest things for me to learn so far is having to leave food on my plate all the time and that mini fast you do to show yourself there is no need to worry about starving. Once I did it, I was so pleasantly surprised that my hunger didn't get worse and I didn't die after all :lol:. I'm still working on the leaving food on my plate. At home, I am fine, but when we go out to eat, oh boy I'll clean my entire plate. This weekend will be a good chance to practice my skills as it is my bday on Saturday and I am going out for breakfast and dinner and then Sunday going to my parent's house for dinner. Yikes! We'll see how I do. Also, the weekends seem to be a challenge for me. I'm out of my weekday routine and can't seem to keep it together food wise. Any suggestions? My family always wants to go out to eat or whatever.

Anyway, I have to go cook dinner now so I'll be back to do personals later.

Thanks for letting me join all of you, I'm so excited!! :carrot:

Kara

ChinaMaine
07-29-2009, 09:38 PM
I’ve been putting long days for almost a month now. I wanted to be sure I could leave for vacation next Thursday without a huge push over the last couple of days. I’m using a brand new tool and so didn’t have a good way to guess-timate how much time I needed. Today I was able to do enough to make an estimate of the time required to leave the project in good shape next Wednesday. I’m pretty sure I can get it done and work 8 hour days in the meantime. :woohoo: I was getting mighty tired of working until 7 PM every night, then collapsing into bed at 9. A girl’s got to have *some* fun. ;) I’m ambivalent that my DH is heading out a week early to spend time with his Mom before we all arrive. Next week, DS, his girlfriend and I join DH for a week of Black Hills fun. I’m happy DH can be with his Mom, but I’ll miss him muchly. Moose will do his best to keep me company, I’m sure.

:df: WI-down .75 lbs, Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op, Exercise – op.

Oh! I forgot to mention yesterday that my doctor was quite positive about my weight loss. ‘Do you realize you’ve lost, let me see, 38 pounds since I saw you in November! That’s amazing!’ Well I stopped weighing myself a couple of years ago – too distressing. And I stopped paying attention to the weight at the doctor’s office sometime last summer. So, I’ve been telling myself, and everyone else, that my top weight was 206 lbs. But based on what he said, my top weight was probably 209-211 lbs. That’s sobering… Thank God for Beck and CBT!

one by one ‘persist in victory’ :lol: Thanks for passing it on. Just when I’m feeling the most complacent is when I most need it!

Please take this in the spirit it’s meant. Procrastination can sometimes (not always, I know!) be the product of being overwhelmed by all-or-none thinking. Would it help to give yourself one or two very small steps to accomplish a day? The idea with Beck is to build up a habit slowly, one baby step at a time. I know I was slower than most, but I’m glad it took me almost a month to get to Stage 2. I’d take a week to get through some of the sections of Stage 1.

The key is to build up the habit, whatever the speed. I know it sounds corny, but her emphasis on strengthening the resistance muscle and being careful not to strengthen the giving-in muscle are, to me, the core of how to build the habit. Anyway – I really don’t mean to preach (really ;) )

I appreciate your comments on how it’s become ROUTINE for me. And, yes, it has. When I started I’d have to say ‘no choice’ ‘hunger is not an emergency’ ‘5 minutes is better than 0 minutes’ ‘it will become easier and easier and easier’ multiple times a day. You can get there too, one day, one decision at a time. :hug:
Down 1.4 lbs -- :yay:

Margaret I’m glad the craft show went well and you got so many more names on your mailing list. Kudos for the reasonable choice to have a brownie, but to share it with you DH. And credit for losing 6 lbs – you worked hard for it!

Bill Buying 10 mangos, $4.99. Giving one to your DD – priceless! I will never buy green cooking bananas – yikes!

I like your idea of finding a less strenuous hike. The problem is more elevation change than distance; we’re heading to the Black Hills of South Dakota and the trails are mostly ‘hilly’. ;) But DH thinks there’s one about 15 miles from our lodge that’s level. I’m going to do some research before I go. While DH, DS go up (or down) more strenuous trails, I can drive to something more level. I had planned to walk around (and around) Sylvan Lake like some kind of South Dakotan hamster, but finding a level trail is probably a better plan. :D

Erika CREDIT for staying op in spite of insomnia, and especially for adding to your exercise routine too!

Kuhljeanie I just want to share that soon after I joined this group – you bought size 14 jeans for the first time. It was such a happy, joyous post – it made me happy, and jealous(!), at the same time. :lol: You’ve done an amazing job in the face of really difficult life challenges. The last 30-40 lbs will come. I love your new ARCs and you’ll get there!

Walking Princess Love the laminated card idea. I even own a laminator, but never did it – Kudos! Yes, learning that hunger is actually not an emergency is an eye-opener. I have to remind myself of it at least once a week though. ;)

Eating out – I have the 2nd book (green cover) and Stage 3 has a lot of useful info. I can tell you what I do. If I know the restaurant, and they have an online menu, I do research and pick my menu, including all the special requests ahead of time. (I’ll take the trout, please cook with as little oil as possible. I’ll also have the baked potato – butter and sour cream on the side. And the steamed broccoli – could I have that butter on the side too?) You get the idea. In any case, I run to the bathroom and review my RCs before ordering. And, I accept the fact that I won’t be perfect; I’ll just be as good as I can manage today. :D

RobinW
07-29-2009, 11:21 PM
:wave:

onebyone
07-30-2009, 12:07 AM
Hi coaches

I'm pretty tired but I promised I'd stop by with my uberofficial checklist from the BDFL book and it seems there are like 3 consecutive things to do in Stage One. It's a bit confusing, sort of. No maybe it makes sense...

Stage 1 - The Success Skills Plan
-these are the 9 skills to master

motivate yourself daily
read advantage deck NO don't have one yet
read response cards YES credit
weigh yourself daily
weigh just once record change/weight YES credit
eat slowly, while sitting down and enjoying every bite
I ate everything slowly, while sitting down enjoying everybite YES credit
give yourself credit
I gave myself credit throughout the day for every positive eating behaviour YES credit
get moving
I did spontaneous exercise YES credit
planned exercise NO
overcome hunger, cravings and emotional eating
I tolerated hunger and non-hunger without eating YES credit
I recognized that fullness sets in 20 min after a meal NO-didn;t think about it at all
I stopped eating when my food was gone YES credit
I calmed down before I ate NO did not do this consistently
plan and monitor your eating
I filled in my foodplan chart N/A yet this is a stage 2 thing
follow your plan no matter what
I followed my plan precisely YES I've done things I was told to do-food choices not part of this yetcreditI used resistance techniques YES read my response cards "not about me" credit
get back on track right away
I filled in my cheat sheet NA
contact your diet buddy YES :wave: hey buddies! credit


Tomorrow I'll be back with my list of the Ten Tasks....yes grasshopper...when you can perform the ten tasks on one leg without so much as a wince you will be a master... Brother! I need sleep. See yous in the morning.

Walking Princess
07-30-2009, 12:47 AM
Hi all,

I'm so sorry. I meant to come back and do personals to each of you tonight but I just now got a chance to come back online. I have to be up at 5am for work tomorrow so I'm going to head to bed. I will definitely post tomorrow. I read your posts though and you all are doing GREAT! Be proud of yourselves for what you have accomplished today. Keep up the great work and have a wondeful day tomorrow.

Kara

BillBlueEyes
07-30-2009, 05:15 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - At the gym I concentrated on lowering the dumbbells slowly (as had been suggested by my trainer) to better work the muscle; CREDIT moi. I'm focusing on the notion that I have to feel some muscle burn to justify drinking my protein shake; whatever it takes to make me move along, LOL.

Gave away a third mango; there are only three left of the original ten. I'm happy that they will all get eaten and not wasted. I am so capable of buying a huge amount of something that spoils before it can be consumed.


Jean (kuhljeanie) - Thanks for the Advantage Response Cards; love "boundless energy to move through the world."

Yep, I do believe it's wired into the brains of all us little boys to love heavy machinery. Methinks El Nino was born knowing the different construction equipment; just took until three for you to teach him the words, LOL. I predict that before five he'll know the names of every dinosaur, including Archeopteryx. Spelling will be another story; no doubt that research some day will show that testosterone weakens the spelling muscle, LOL.


onebyone - Kudos for posting your "uberofficial" checklist. And Congrats on the scale loss - moving in the right direction.

I've been ignoring "recognized that fullness sets in 20 min after a meal" myself; 20 minutes after a meal I've forgotten about that and am on to the next thing, LOL. Perhaps it means to recognize that fullness will set in 20 minutes in the future so stop now while "reasonably full." Might have to go reread about that.


Robin (RobinW) - Waving back; hope Buffalo is spared the heat wave that has, at last, come to Boston. Although it's nice to sleep with the fan on for the first time this summer since we've been unseasonably cool.

ChinaMaine - Yay for a doctor who says just the right thing!! Congrats on the 38 pounds gone.

Kudos for putting in the effort at planning your hiking to fit your current energy levels. Ouch that you have a week with Moose substituting for DH; hope he's a good listener, LOL.


Erika (eusebius) - Congrats on your loss, particularly under "onerous circumstances." Wishing you success in your "Beck for sleeping" journey - this whole board seems to need some sleeping help.

Kara (Walking Princess) - Yep, that leaving food on the plate remains uber-difficult for me, also - so much so that I take a credit here whenever it happens, LOL. Let me know if you find a secret way to do it. For now, I have to content myself with diligence in serving my plate which, as you point out, is easier at home than when served at a restaurant.

Kudos for laminating your Advantage Response Cards; what a great idea.

Will start now sending you supportive thoughts for your birthday weekend; sounds like you'll have several opportunities to overcome challenges.


Readers - How Thin People Think
. . .
• If the scale goes up, do you sometimes abandon your diet altogether?
. . .
The Beck Diet Solution, pg 33.

irishune
07-30-2009, 05:23 AM
Hi All

Very quick stop by to read posts.
I am doing ok and you all seem to be doing good or finding solutions.I have lost 2 and half pounds so I am pleased with my programme. OP with food, still struggling with staying OP with exercise.Hope you all have a good day today.

Une

AnneWonders
07-30-2009, 09:03 AM
:wave:

eusebius
07-30-2009, 10:56 AM
Hi everyone - Listened to a meditation cd last night and fell asleep quickly. Now all my body wants to do is sleep!! will i throw everything off by having a nap?? I think I am getting my daughter's cold, too. I did my strength training today so I feel good about that.

Oh and I have my period so i'm back up a pound. Meh. Hopefully it's gone by official weigh-in on Monday.

Forgot to do the put-extra-food-on-your-plate exercise yesterday, so I'll do it at dinner tonight. i did leave some couscous on my plate last night though :)

kuhljeanie - great ARC - i love the "freeing up energy" bit as well. So far all I'm doing for CBT/insomnia this week is keeping a sleep log - when I went to bed, when I turned out the light, how many times I woke up and for how long, etc. Of course now that I'm doing that, I have two nights of 8.5 hours in a row, LOL! The great thing is that I get to e-mail my sleep log to the researcher who designed the program, and he then gives me personalized recommendations. cool, huh?

Kara (Walking Princess) - You are doing great! Cool idea to laminate your cards. Happy Birthday in advance, LOL! I hear you on the weekends. I always check the online menus for any restaurants I go to and pick something within my budget, as ChinaMaine said - then NO CHOICE, that's what I'm eating. The end. It's not easy though.

ChinaMaine - Great news that you can work normal days until vacation. congrats on 0.75 lbs, awesome! 38 pounds total is so inspiring!!

I totally agree about small baby steps and one decision at a time. We will get there!

RobinW and wndranne - :wave: back :)

onebyone - It is so interesting to read the checklists from BDFL. I'm not planning to get it until I finish BDS - too overwhelming ;) The spirit seems to be the same even if the wording is different. Big credit to you for accomplishing so many of the items already!! LOL on the "grasshopper" reference ... boy I'm old!!

Bill - yes yes yes! lowering slowly is the key! well done! I'm totally the same with buying produce. My fridge becomes a science lab very quickly.

Une - 2.5 lbs, congrats!! keep it up!!

OK that's all for now folks! More coffee please ... :coffee:
cheers
Erika

onebyone
07-30-2009, 11:30 AM
Hello Coaches

I'm here to report in on

weight change from yesterday -1.2 (269.2)
eat sitting down & eat slowly? Yes
ARC's read? Yes.


10 New ARCS

1. During a normal day's activities, I will no longer be sore at the end of it.
2. I will not question whether I have the energy/stamina to get from point a to point b. I know I have it.
3. I will again wear wacky clothes and will have my choice of them cause most things will fit.
4. I will not feel like I am abusing myself with food any longer.
5. I will handle food challenges and it won't feel like a superhuman effort to do so.
6. I will know I am prolonging my life and can look forward to a ripe old age full of vitality and art!
7. I will finally feel able to pull off either platinum blonde hair or hair with a royal blue streak in it.
8. Most glasses frames will look okay on me and I will be happier wearing them-they will look more like "accessory" than "necessity" on my thinner face.
9. I will pursue more opportunities to expose my artwork cause I know I will look good on tv, or in the paper or on video. I won't feel ashamed of how I look to strangers (WHY does this bother me so?)
10. Health-weight related issues will lessen or disappear altogether. These include: leg pain via hipbones due to too much weight; high blood pressure; lowering of cholesterol, rise in energy level, uplifted mood and general sense of accomplishment for facing down a 35 year old personal demon.

kuhljeanie
07-30-2009, 03:42 PM
onebyone, that is a beautiful list. just awesome. love the bit on longevity in life and art, am with you on the desire to dress well, and i friggin' LOVE the thing about a blue streak in your hair. i should have as a personal goal (career, not weight-related) to have a job where i can wear my nosering every day and have purple hair again. what a goal! :cool: erika, thanks! i love hearing what's working for you. i already have a record of my sleep from my monitor - can you PM me with the name of the guy you're working with specifically? is it expensive?

congrats une! 2.5 lbs is exciting good stuff!

heya anne! right back atcha. :wave:

yay on really working the muscle, bill! sometimes when i'm doing something that feels uncomfortable when i'm working out (not painful, but uncomfortable) i remind myself that it's SUPPOSED to be uncomfortable. it's uncomfortable to challenge your body, but if you're not challenging your body, it's kind of a waste of time. in the wise words of ms. michaels. i certainly feel better AFTER i exercise if i push myself, for sure. :) china, again congrats on a tremendous accomplishment, and how lovely for your doc to recognize that! i also find that when my DH goes out of town, the missing is nicely balanced by the joys of sleeping in a big bed by myself, and having one less person using dishes and leaving stuff everywhere. definitely prefer him at home, but...;)

hi kara! :wave:

still feeling blah but pressing on with the food and walking. a couple of turns around the parking lot a few times a day keeps me from eating from boredom, and helps me get my calorie burn up where i like to see it. it's not ideal, but it'll do for now. i'm certainly not panicked anymore about blowing up like a balloon. i did, however, rub my ankles raw while wearing shoes that were perfectly comfortable last year. it's been two days and they're still weeping plasma (but not blood anymore, thankfully.) so i'm wearing less-than-approrpriate shoes to work while they heal. so far, no one seems to have noticed or care. yay.

sleep continues to be tough. more than 1 or 2 nights in a row of 4-6 hours really starts to hurt. falling asleep isn't too bad; it's the night and early-morning wakings. what does the sleep-CBT say to do about that? half the time i don't even remember it, but i see it when i upload my sensewear data, and i can feel it. aaaargh. am considering going back to the 5:00 am workouts, but it's brutal because el nino will wake up too and wander downstairs at 5:45, and that's a whole new arena of painful, since he has no concept of weekends. so. hmm.

stopped by the neighbor's house yesterday to ask him to do something about his yard, but he didn't answer the door. left a note asking him to call but so far, nothing. i'm going to give it another day or two before i file a complaint with the city. aside from that, there's not much i can do...think good thoughts about the right person finding my house! ($2500 of basement water-repair later.) ciao, becksters!

Walking Princess
07-30-2009, 07:26 PM
Hi everyone,

Today's exercise in the book said not to deceive myself into thinking it's ok to eat things with various excuses. I am trying to just stay focused by reading my cards and following my plan. I did the lesson for today, I exercised for 45 minutes and am on plan for food today. I feel good. :)

BillBlueEyes - great job on learning to lower the dumbells slower. I'm sure you will see a big different very soon. When I read that, it reminded me of how we have to eat slower and more mindfully too. I guess our world is always going so fast we just need to slow everything down a bit. Thanks for the supportive thoughts for all the eating out this weekend. It wouldn't be bad with just one meal but so many over 3 days, yikes! I can use all the supportive thoughts I can get. I'll just take it one meal at a time. As you said, it's a good time to practice that skill.

Une - congratulations for staying on plan, getting your exercise in and for your weight loss. Great job! :carrot:

Wndranne - :wave:

Erica - thanks for the birthday wishes and the tips for eating out this weekend. I think it is a great idea and I'm going to give it a try! :) Don't worry about the weight gain. It's just water and will come off as soon as your cycle is done. You are doing great :)

Onebyone - great job on staying on track! I like your response cards too! ;)

Kuhljeannie - sorry to hear you are having some trouble. I think you are doing great. Any exercise is better than none as Dr. Beck, and as you said, it keeps you from eating out of boredeom. Hang in there :)

Have a good evening, I'll try and check back later.

Nuxmaga
07-30-2009, 09:45 PM
Hello Everyone,

Drove past the donuts today--yay!!!! And I'm done with this therapy location, so no more of those donuts. Now I'll just have to bolt past the chocolatier at the new location. . .

I used some of the Thin Commandments stuff in thinking about the donuts--the idea that I've tasted it all before, there's nothing new about it, and do I like enough to wear it, which considering I've been ingesting 1/2 lb of donuts every week for two years, means I'm already wearing it. . .

I didn't walk at lunch--miserable weather and general sluggyness. Tracked food, credit. Last night for my birthday dinner with dh, I left food on my plate, credit.

Walking Princess--Yeah, the leaving food on my plate thing is really hard. Like you, at a restaurant I eat it all--but I was pleased I left some last night. It was enough pasta to feed a family of four.

kuhljeanie--kudos on walking around the parking lot--I talk myself out of spontaneous exercise a lot of the time by discounting it--but every bit does help.

one by one--cool for being systematic and doing the checklist, and for doing new ARC's. Yay on the life of vitality and art!

eusebius--that's great you are doing CBT for insomnia. I read about a book by James Claiborn, The Habit Change Workbook, which is supposed to take this approach.

irishune--credit for staying OP with eating.

ChinaMaine--congrats on the positive doctor's visit and 38 pounds lost! I agree about the procrastination--that's a major component of my ocd, putting off doing anything because I think I have to do it "perfectly"--so I don't do it at all in order to avoid the anxiety. Definitely all or nothing thinking.

Bill--I like your idea of acknowledging the idea that fullness *will* set in after 20 minutes, since it's such an act of faith for me I need to keep reminding myself of this.

onebyone
07-30-2009, 10:00 PM
Hi coaches

Uberofficial checklist week 1 day 4

Stage 1 - The Success Skills Plan
9 skills to master * today's challenges written in blue

motivate yourself daily
read advantage deck NO don't have one yet
read response cards YES credit
weigh yourself daily
weigh just once record change/weight YES I found myself really wanting to hop on and off and on after the first weigh-in number. It's what I used to do but I resisted it. extra credit here.credit
eat slowly, while sitting down and enjoying every bite
I ate everything slowly, while sitting down enjoying everybite YES creditI caught myself twice from eating standing up. I almost did it but realized in time. The second time I was at the school for two art openings and the food is always walking around food but I loaded up the napkin and made a point to sit down on the bench and eat it. I really enjoyed the grapes! extra credit here
give yourself credit
I gave myself credit throughout the day for every positive eating behaviour YES credit
get moving
I did spontaneous exercise YES credit
planned exercise NO
overcome hunger, cravings and emotional eating
I tolerated hunger and non-hunger without eating YES credit
I recognized that fullness sets in 20 min after a meal YES- I actually timed this today and held myself to one giant bowl of food for lunch. I kept thinking about the stuff leftover in the kitchen but waited the full 20 min. I still desired it but didn't have any. DH ended up eating it for his lunch later on. extra credit here
I stopped eating when my food was gone YES credit
I calmed down before I ate YES I was conscious of this today.credit
plan and monitor your eating
I filled in my foodplan chart N/A yet this is a stage 2 thing
follow your plan no matter what
I followed my plan precisely YES I've done things I was told to do-food choices not part of this yetcreditI used resistance techniques YES read my response cards "not about me" credit
get back on track right away
I filled in my cheat sheet NA
contact your diet buddy YES :wave: hey buddies! credit


No list of ten tasks. I didn't do much else today as I was getting my order ready to send out and had to cut the day short due to having to get to the school this evening. It is garbage night though so I have to clean that fridge out! That's part of the tasks btw: get your environment in order;)

Walking Princess
07-31-2009, 12:25 AM
Hi again,

Nuxmaga - great job on passing up the donuts. I know exactly how hard that is! Great job on leaving food on your plate too. That is my biggest challenge to date. We'll see how I do this weekend.

Have a good evening,
Kara

BillBlueEyes
07-31-2009, 04:42 AM
Diet Coaches/Buddies - Had my morning snack of a quarter cup of unsalted roasted soy nuts before a meeting at work and decided to stand down the food pusher just to train my resistance muscle. The food pusher brought in a container of fresh Bing Cherries. Oooops; Changed my mind. Decided to break my decision to turn down whatever he brought in since cherries are "good for me;" Oh Well, you can't win them all. Meeting ended abruptly, very early, before he had a chance to offer them. So, . . . hmmmm . . . OK then, CREDIT moi for not eating an unplanned snack that I had already committed to eating because it wasn't offered.

For the life of me I can't figure out the moral of that story.


Jean (kuhljeanie) - Kudos for making your first attempt to contact your neighbor about his yard. And Kudos for getting in some walking in the parking lot.

And Thanks for "I remind myself that it's SUPPOSED to be uncomfortable" - Yep, why wouldn't I intuitively remember that.


onebyone - Congrats on the loss that brings you into the 60's. I particularly liked the Advantage Response Card, "I will again wear wacky clothes... ." And Kudos for doing the 20 minute timing after your lunch as well as Kudos for sitting down to eat your napkin of munchies at the art opening - I never get that one right.

Anne (wndranne) - Waving back. Was thinking of your bike ride of the other day and remembered that Mount Washington in New Hampshire is only 6000 feet and you did 7000 feet. Makes it even more impressive to me when I think of it like that.

Erika (eusebius) - Yay for sleep; Kudos for so sanely attacking the problem with your CBT sleep strategies. And Kudos for leaving couscous on your plate. LOL at "My fridge becomes a science lab very quickly." BTDT.

Margaret (Nuxmaga) - Happy Birthday!!! Kudos for leaving food on your plate even at your birthday dinner.

Neat ideas from the Thin Commandments: "I've tasted it all before, there's nothing new about it, and do I like it enough to wear it."


Kara (Walking Princess) - Yay for working the issue of excuses for eating. I wish I could say that I generated creative excuses, but I just pull out the same, shopworn set and try to reuse them, LOL.

Kudos for OP with food and OP with 45 minutes of exercise. Good CBT thought, "I'll just take it one meal at a time."


Une (irishune) - Congrats on the lost pounds and Kudos for OP with food. Is weather in your gorgeous corner of Ireland attractive enough for walking these days (my favorite form of exercise)?

Readers - How Thin People Think
. . .
• Do you sometimes eat because it doesn't feel fair that you can't eat just like everyone else?
. . .
The Beck Diet Solution, pg 33.

ChinaMaine
07-31-2009, 08:52 AM
Drove my DH to the airport at 4 AM. Well, he drove actually, and I dozed. But I did drive home. I got home to find my monthly visitor had arrived – grrrr wish he’d call first. I was darn tired yesterday and the only exercise I did was to walk Moose. I also was HUNGRY all day. I made a half-hearted effort to say ‘hunger is not an emergency’ and ‘no choice’. But I did have about 450 calories over what I planned. Oh well…

WI-down .75 lbs (new low!), Read my cards, made a plan. Food – off-plan, Exercise – off-plan.

I’ll post personals later, so :wave: for now!

kuhljeanie
07-31-2009, 09:41 AM
china, FWIW, now that i’m paying attention i’m noticing that i get crazy hungry right before TOM too. the good news is that i’m not very hungry at all once it actually starts, so i might start allowing myself a few hundred extra calories at that time, knowing that i’ll cut back by the same amount a day or two later. then it’s not binging – it’s planning for those predictable fluctuations in hunger. congrats on a new low! man, those are exciting. i’m still working my way back down to my pre-unemployment low, but after that i’ll get to experience that thrill again. good story, bill! ;) maybe the moral is, no matter how much you plan (or don’t) and commit to sticking to the plan (or don’t,) if you don’t eat it, you’ll end up feeling perfectly fine about that (which may not be the case if you do eat.) which is good to know. thanks for sharing! :) kara, you’ll do great this weekend! the truth is that it can be harder when it’s just one restaurant. when you go to so many in a short period of time, they get less special, and it’s easier to just say no. at least that was my experience when i was doing a lot of business travel. and a lot of the seasoned beck vets will also tell you that planning and making that commitment to stick to the plan before you ever walk in the door is key. online menus are wonderful. what the heck did we do before the internet? onebyone, lovely work at your job thingy! i still struggle with finding a place to sit when it’s not a sit-down type thing. maybe i should make a new rule – if there’s no place to sit, i shouldn’t be eating. usually the food at those events – at the ones i go to anyway, they’re usually calorie bombs. you’re rocking it! already back out of the 270’s. that’s got to feel good! maybe when you hit the 250’s you can get that blue streak in your hair and i can live vicariously through you. margaret, awesome job with the doughnuts! i like that stuff from the thin commandment and am planning on stealing shamelessly. thanks! kara, thanks for the reminder about making excuses. i do that ALL THE TIME and it just makes things harder.

still haven’t heard back from neighbor guy. i may try the house again, but i’m thinking the next step is to call the city and register a formal complaint. i might wait until after i’ve had the basement flooding problem fixed, since that’s officially the end of the tasks under my control.

i’ve been staggering under an onslaught of ideas for my not-yet-in-existence bakery. had a real doozy of a good one on my drive to work this morning. i’m still working on the “could you really DO that?” stuff with it, but it’s all coming from thinking about how to make a bakery centered around art and music. going beyond displaying art for sale on the walls (though that’s a fine, fine thing and i’d for sure do that.) anyway, it occurred to me last night (as i was eating a cupcake configuration i’m working on for a party in a couple of weeks) that cakebaking and weight loss are sort of counter-intuitive to each other. but then i remembered that the woman who did my wedding cake was a perfectly normal size, and if i’m surrounded by it every single day, there’s no way i can even try to think of it as special or different or new. plus i’d like to have soup available too - i'll be eating that once we open. in, say, three years or so. :D

managed to stay in my calorie range even with the cupcake, so go me! still working the parking lot for exercise. if i continue to get up before 5:30, i’ll just put on my sports bra and turn on the wii, even if i can only get in 15 minutes before i have to shower. can’t worry about el nino getting habituated to waking up early. i don’t know a single teenager who wants to be up with mommy at 5:15 am…so if i do nothing, eventually that problem will solve itself, right?

happy weekend, becksters!

eusebius
07-31-2009, 10:16 AM
Hi all - Brief check-in today.
I am officially sick. I have a cold, and I have evil gas pains. TMI right?? This being sick is really ticking me off. Between depression, UTI's, major back pain, colds, and insomnia, I have basically felt like crap since last October. You'd think adopting a healthy diet and exercise plan would help, right?? HA!

OK, rant over. I'm going for my walk now, even if I collapse in the middle of it. So there :P

Sorry for the negativity ... I am just fed up right now. Going to the doctor (AGAIN) on Tuesday ... hoping for some answers.

Send good thoughts this way, please.
Erika
P.S. 11 days OP.

AnneWonders
07-31-2009, 10:59 AM
BillBE, I think the moral is that sometimes it's better to be lucky than right!

I'm here. Still muddling through. Still holding on by my fingertips until I get the wherewithal to get it together. It's still coming, just not sure when. Got bruised up on the mountain bike on Wednesday, but going out on the road bike tomorrow anyway. Kids and work are driving me crazy. On the plus side, I slept last night without sleeping pills, so hey!

Have a good one everybody.

Anne

Walking Princess
07-31-2009, 06:44 PM
Hi gang,

Sorry I don't have time to do a long post. I'm heading out with the girls to go scrapbooking tonight. This will be the first test as we are eating out for dinner. We decided to go to Subway which is probably the best choice for me out of all of the possibilities. I'm going to research the menu before I go like you guys suggested and then I'll be prepared when I go in there. Let's hope I can stay focused and not overeat. Then tomorrow is my bday so we are going out to breafast. I've got to stay focused! Send some supportive thoughts my way if you can, I'll need them ;)

Gotta run
Kara

ChinaMaine
07-31-2009, 08:42 PM
Today was a good day. I woke up a couple of hours later than usual, but felt rested. So, I had to reorganize my exercise schedule. I still did about 45 minutes: I walked Moose twice (credit) and mid-morning I took a quick 12 minute kayak ride. Got my heart rate up to 145 – it was fun! (credit again)

:df: WI-unchanged, Read my cards, made a plan. Food – op, Exercise – op

Une 2.5 lbs down :yay: Credit for being op with food, and for keeping up the good fight with the exercise!

Bill Kudos for concentrating on going slow with weights – I tend to forget that…

:lol: at being ready to give in to the foodpusher, and then having no food pushed!! Perhaps it’s as our Mom’s all say – things do work out for the best. (Nah! Having the bing cherries would be best; high fiber, low calorie, yummy…)

Erika It’s great you’ve been staying on plan so well – especially when sick and miserable! And rant away, that’s what we’re here for. I know I’m good for a rant every month or two. ;)

one by one Love your ARCs! You’re doing so well with the checklist! I found it really helped (although I haven’t done it in a while) – Do you find it helps?

Kuhljeanie Kudos for walking in the parking lot – can’t fight what works! Yikes about the shoes though – man! Neighbors can be such a pain – good luck getting through to yours…

I never noticed being especially hungry when TOM was on the doorstep, but it’s an interesting observation. I like your way of handling it – credit!

It’s so cool you dream of your bakery. I dream of powerball and paying off everyone’s mortgages. Your dream sounds much more involved and interesting. :D

Kara :bravo: for reading your cards and following the plan! It’s harder than it sounds – so give yourself credit!

Credit for researching your dinner choices. Good luck with Subway and breakfast – you’ll do great!

Margaret So happy you’ve left the donuts behind!

Anne You and your mountain bike seem to have an abusive relationship; it always seems to be bruising you up. Credit for taking the punishment. :)

Since my DH is away, I'm going to turn on Mamma Mia and dance the night away. Ta-ta!

RobinW
07-31-2009, 09:51 PM
:wave:

I am so far off plan my Beck book is covered in dust!!

But the plus is I am still maintaining the 37lb loss since christmas. I just need to get the other 100 off :dizzy:

Dd is doing great and Im so proud of her! She is managing her sugar cravings so much better than me!

Im off, we have a big block yard sale tomorrow morning. Im still not organized :lol:

Have a great weekend everyone!

Onebyone~ enjoy your long weekend!

onebyone
07-31-2009, 10:58 PM
Uberofficial checklist week 1 day 5

Stage 1 - The Success Skills Plan
9 skills to master * today's challenges written in dark orchid

1. motivate yourself daily
read advantage deck NO still don't have one yet
read response cards YES credit
2. weigh yourself daily YES -0.4 (268.8)
weigh just once record change/weight YES credit
3. eat slowly, while sitting down and enjoying every bite YES credit
I ate slowly while sitting down. I had to remind myself to sit down consciously and firmly. I didn't want to.
4. give yourself credit
I gave myself credit throughout the day for every positive eating behaviour YES credit
5. get moving
I did spontaneous exercise YES credit
planned exercise NO
6. overcome hunger, cravings and emotional eating
I tolerated hunger and non-hunger without eating YES credit
I recognized that fullness sets in 20 min after a meal YES- I had to clock-watch this one again. I got a favorite meal and wanted more of it and really started to eat it quickly. i noticed I was forking it in before I was totally one chewing again. I was "eating as if it was an emergency".credit
I stopped eating when my food was gone YES credit
I calmed down before I ate NO I was excited by this favorite meal and tried to calm down but didn't quite manage it. I was also very hungry. And it was a lot of food. I could have saved half but did not have to do that so I didn't.
7. plan and monitor your eating
I filled in my foodplan chart N/A yet this is a stage 2 thing
8. follow your plan no matter what
I followed my plan precisely YES I've done things I was told to do-food choices not part of this yet credit
9. get back on track right away
I filled in my cheat sheet NA
10. contact your diet buddy YES :wave: credit


I don't know where the time went today. I woke up late this morning: 10am and I had to rush to the school to unload the kiln, late, and then I walked over to the market and chatted with some market friends for a few hours. By the time I got home it was close to 6pm and I spent time on the phone and now it's late and that order is still not done and I never did clean out the fridge last night either. It seems that when I am preparing for a Big Thing like my children's tech gig all next week it's like I want to do ZERO until that day comes. I *know* I will be working my a$$ off then, why do it now? See? All or nothing thinking/binge working/procrastinating/perfectionism it's all wrapped up in that statement. Anyway, at this point I'm just noticing and that's okay. Small goal tomorrow: finish my order and get it in the mail.

Thanks for reading.

Nuxmaga
07-31-2009, 10:58 PM
Quick check in--Zumba, credit. 7500+ steps, credit. Tracked food, credit. Stayed under calories, yay. Had an egg cream rather than a milkshake with dh(it's his birthday and he wanted a treat, and at least we walked to the ice cream place instead of driving.)

Didn't walk at lunch, and generally slacking on my goal of 10,000 steps on the days I don't do Zumba. I need to write down the thoughts--I'm sure I'm having some major sabotaging ones. Tomorrow is birthday dinner with in-laws--I'm going to look up the menu and do some planning. Then I think the birthday festivities are finally over . . .

BillBlueEyes
08-01-2009, 06:17 AM
This discussion continues on Beck Diet For Life/Solution – August 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/general-diet-plans-questions/178106-beck-diet-life-solution-august-2009-support-discussion-buddy-coach.html)

Please join us there.

Walking Princess
08-02-2009, 12:22 AM
Hi everyone,

Well, I only have one more day of food celebrations - tomorrow. Thank goodness!

Last night we went to Subway. I ordered the Turkey, no cheese, light mayo and veggies with water to drink 6" sub on wheat. I did great. Then I found out one of my friends had bought literally $20 worth of munchies for the evening while we all scrapbooked. I tried to stay conscientous but it is so hard when you are surrounded by it. I ended up eating 1/2 a big grab bag of Cool Ranch Dorritos and about 4 big handfuls of Crunch n Munch and a couple handfuls of Mike & Ikes. Eek :yikes::(. I still didn't eat as much as I usually do, and I had budgeted calorie wise for some snacks but I was just mad that I actually indulged!

Today at breakfast I did so much better. For the first time ever, I left 1/2 of my plate of food!!!!! This was HUGE for me. I literally cut my food in half and ate exactly 1/2 of what they brough me. I boxed the rest up and took him home and told my husband he can have it for breakfast tomorrow morning (he was thrilled!). I was so happy and I wasn't bloated at all which is unusual. Usually I'm bloated and uncomfortable. I felt good. Yea me! :) I didn't eat much for lunch because of the breakfast. I just ate 1 tbsp of peanut butter on 1 slice of 7grain bread and some water.

Tonight was the next challenge. Dinner. And it was my favorite food in the world - Mexican. Oh boy. This is my hardest meal of all. We got there, I ate some chips and salsa because that is my favorite food. I tore each chip in half or thirds so I would eat less of them (that's one of my tricks) but I still probably ate more than I should have. I don't know how much though as I was enthralled with talking to everyone (there was 10 of us). My bad :(. I usually order the 2 tacos, rice and beans combo. I ordered only 1 taco (thereby cutting what I normally have it half) and then I left about a 1/3 of the rice and beans. I thought I was in the clear and already mad at myself for eating as much as I did and then all the waiters come over and sing happy birthday and present me with flan. Oh boy. I offered some to every single person at the table and all 10 declined! :mad: I was like, "someone's got to help me eat this!" No one would so I ate it because I felt bad.

I feel like I totally screwed up today. I tried so hard to eat less and do exactly what I was supposed to do but feel like I really screwed up. The only meal of the 3 since Friday I feel good about is breakfast. I feel like I'm never going to get this right. Why couldn't I just stick to my normal weekday routine?

I have one more meal at dinner tomorrow as we are going to my parent's house tomorrow to celebrate with them. There will be dinner and cake.

Will I ever get it right? :(

Thanks for listening
Kara

BillBlueEyes
08-02-2009, 04:43 AM
Hi Kara (Walking Princess) - We start a new thread each month (the Mods of 3FC will close a thread at 500 posts to preserve the sanity of the data base), so I've answered you on the August thread over here:

Beck Diet For Life/Solution – August 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/general-diet-plans-questions/178106-beck-diet-life-solution-august-2009-support-discussion-buddy-coach.html)

Come join us there.

Walking Princess
08-11-2009, 12:50 AM
Hi,

Just a quick check in. Sorry I've been MIA. My dh is getting ready to go camping with some friends for 5 days and is leaving on Wednesday morning so we are trying to get him all ready to go. Plus, we are in the process of trying to buy a new car so I've had no free time to myself to sit down and chat.

I'll try to write personals and more info tomorrow. :)

Kara

BillBlueEyes
08-11-2009, 05:04 AM
Hi Kara (Walking Princess) - We start a new thread each month (the Mods of 3FC will close a thread at 500 posts to preserve the sanity of the data base), so I've answered you on the August thread over here:

Beck Diet For Life/Solution – August 2009 – Support, Discussion, Buddy/Coach (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/general-diet-plans-questions/178106-beck-diet-life-solution-august-2009-support-discussion-buddy-coach.html)

Come join us there.