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carolr3639
06-28-2009, 06:33 PM
Since there are 500 posts in the old IE I'll start a new one. Intuitive Eating is eat when you're hungry, stop when you're satisfied. Well, it's a little more than that. When you feed your body regularly, it gets the message that you are no longer in a famine (diet) and will lower your appetite. You'll lose weight slowly but surely. It really is amazing. Somedays I'm hardly hungry at all and others I am. I even passed up Culver's cappachino almond fudge ice cream Sat. because I just wasn't hungry.


JulieJ08
06-28-2009, 08:17 PM
Just saying hi on the new thread :D

carolr3639
06-29-2009, 11:12 AM
Thanks, Julie.


carolr3639
06-29-2009, 12:30 PM
Here is a really amazing blog about IE.

http://eatwhenyourehungry.blogspot.com/

JulieJ08
06-29-2009, 12:57 PM
That *is* a nice blog :). She seems very genuine and real. I don't remember seeing her book in the store.

carolr3639
06-30-2009, 09:05 AM
I thought it was interesting what Maggie Miller had to say on her blog about eating at a certain restaraunt. That has definitely happened to me.

I share this story with you because I want you to know that every meal isn’t going to be perfect. Some meals may be so dissatisfying that you stop eating them with hunger pangs still in your belly. Other meals will be so disappointing that you’ll want to stop mid-way through, but you won’t because you’re hungry and there’s food in front of you, and you have to get to Costco, get the kids fed and bathed, finish a PPT and put the next meal on the table. So you eat it.

And if you’re like me two weekends ago, it may very well ruin your entire morning. In fact, my mood didn’t turn around until about 3 in the afternoon…….when I got home from the store with a palette of strawberries, a container of blackberries, my favorite yogurt and a new box of granola. Guess what I ate for breakfast every day last week?

So, just remember that even a “seasoned” intuitive eater like myself sometimes has gross food. And sometimes it even ruins my day. But, it’s all a part of this journey. Every meal is a learning experience. You’ll notice that my disappointing meal at CF did not lead me into a binge-fest (though it did lead to a week’s worth of yogurt parfaits for breakfast, and I enjoyed every bite!).

One other little nugget for all those nay-sayers out there who say, “Intuitive eating? Doesn’t that mean you can eat anything you want? All I’d ever eat is donuts and cheeseburgers!” Guess what, sometimes all you’ll want is fresh fruit.

Blue Serenity
06-30-2009, 12:57 PM
Hi everyone! :wave:

I've been out of town for a while but I'm back now.

Welcome to those of you who I have not yet met ... CatholicCajun and nickyci! Nicky, you sound like you're on your way. I truly believe that IE is the only way to break free from the diet cycle you speak of ... like most of us, I am all too familiar with that! CatholicCajun, snacks have always been hard for me eating this way too. I would usually overindulge in them and that would set me up for binging. Only recently since I started keeping an eye on my carbohydrate intake have I been able to keep the snack binging under control. Seems the more carbs I eat, the more I want and can't control myself. I do eat the "junk" food as well as the "healthy" snacks you mention, just within my own limits, that's what works for me. Great to have you both with us!

And Hello to everyone I haven't mentioned. :wave: Not much time for posting right now. Will check in later.

Have a great one! :sunny:

carolr3639
07-01-2009, 12:01 PM
Hi Blue. Julie, the book by Maggie Miller is $16.95 for an 82 page paper back which I thought was a bit high. I think I can wait until they have some used ones for sale even is it is a few months. The hard back book was $25.95 and the E download is $9.95. The last would be the best deal but still a bit steep. But, hey, she's from CA where everything is expensive.

carolr3639
07-02-2009, 07:07 PM
I looked up IE on Wikipedia today and was surprised to read this.

An early promoter in the recent wave of interest in intuitive eating is Lynn Donovan who published in 1971 a book called The Anti-Diet: the pleasure power way to lose weight. But actually, intuitive eating is not a recent idea at all. "Fletcherism" is defined in dictionaries as eating according to hunger, and is named for American nutritionist Horace Fletcher (1849-1919).

JulieJ08
07-02-2009, 07:19 PM
Hi Blue. Julie, the book by Maggie Miller is $16.95 for an 82 page paper back which I thought was a bit high. I think I can wait until they have some used ones for sale even is it is a few months. The hard back book was $25.95 and the E download is $9.95. The last would be the best deal but still a bit steep. But, hey, she's from CA where everything is expensive.

I might pay $10 for the ebook. But I'd want to see the TOC first.

carolr3639
07-03-2009, 09:14 AM
Michelle May, MD has several great videos about IE. I was surprised to find these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sEcdwP2_GY&feature=related

Blue Serenity
07-03-2009, 12:31 PM
I looked up IE on Wikipedia today and was surprised to read this.

An early promoter in the recent wave of interest in intuitive eating is Lynn Donovan who published in 1971 a book called The Anti-Diet: the pleasure power way to lose weight. But actually, intuitive eating is not a recent idea at all. "Fletcherism" is defined in dictionaries as eating according to hunger, and is named for American nutritionist Horace Fletcher (1849-1919).

That's interesting Carol!

carolr3639
07-04-2009, 11:26 AM
Lots of company this weekend and then leaving, Lord willing, for Portland and Seattle next Tues to see our kids. We're taking 2 grandkids with us. Coming home July 17th. Oh, the thought of all the weeds in the garden! I just won't think about them. ha!

LaDean
07-06-2009, 01:30 AM
carol, Have a great and fun trip.. getting to take the grandkids how neat. i am still here just been hot and not in here much. but thinking of everyone. i am still losing and exercise. with curves now and love it. losing those inches to. good luck to all. LaDean

Truffle
07-06-2009, 07:57 AM
Hi, ladies...Just checking in on the new thread. Carol, thanks for the link to the new blog, and to the You Tube videos.

Have a great trip! Everyone else, hope you have a great day!

JulieJ08
07-06-2009, 11:49 AM
Yesterday I spoiled my appetite for lunch by having some frozen yogurt, which was ick by the way (that's been my working definition for junk lately - stuff that makes me want to eat it even though the taste makes me think ick - there's something wrong with food like that). I didn't mean to, I thought I'd still be hungry after, but I wasn't for another 4 hours or so. But, good healthy girl that I am, I went and bought some Chipotle anyway, to get in some good beans and veggies. I took a few bites, and realized I was already full. Not just not hungry, but full. Chipotle's not cheap! But I ended up throwing it out because it was out for hours and hours by the time I could even think about eating. I felt stupid for buying lunch before I was hungry, but good about not just eating it anyway!

Blue Serenity
07-06-2009, 12:57 PM
Julie, I know what you mean about the foods that are just "ick." I don't know why, but I eat them too even tho I'm really not enjoying it, but can't stop eating it for some reason ... maybe subconscious rebellion to the diet mentality?

Chipotle ... love me some Chipotle!!! mmmmm!!! :p

Have a great day everyone! :sunny:

PS. Enjoy your trip Carol!

Truffle
07-07-2009, 07:49 PM
Julie, I just followed the link to your photos. You've done wonderfully well!
I noticed that you're eating whole foods most of the time, and not calorie counting. Did you calorie count for a long time while losing, or did your loss come about because you switched to whole foods?

Have you been intuitive eating for long?

Carol, those You Tube segments from Michelle May that you posted yesterday were very good. I'm immersed in "diet head" lately, and those videos really jolted me back into reality for what works for me. Hint: it's not "diets". ;)

JulieJ08
07-07-2009, 07:54 PM
Julie, I just followed the link to your photos. You've done wonderfully well!
I noticed that you're eating whole foods most of the time, and not calorie counting. Did you calorie count for a long time while losing, or did your loss come about because you switched to whole foods?
Have you been intuitive eating for long?

I calorie counted down to about 160 pounds, but not after that. That was at the same point as I became vegetarian. I was always doing the wholefoods thing. For most of the rest of the weight loss, it's probably more accurate to say I wasn't calorie counting than to say I was doing Intuitive Eating. But I had it in mind and was learning and experimenting with it a bit. I incorporate more and more over time.

carolr3639
07-08-2009, 06:09 PM
We made it safe and sound to my son's in Seattle My DD will be coming up from Portland tomorrow and then we will go to her house next Mon., Lord willing. I always find it a little more difficult to do IE when away from home because you eat mostly what someone else fixes but today has gone well so far....even had a Baskin Robbins jamoca almond fudge singe dip cone which I only get about once every 3 yr.....ahhhhh.

Blue Serenity
07-09-2009, 01:05 PM
Hi everyone! :wave:

Hi Carol, glad you're enjoying yourself and have arrived safely. Enjoy your family!

carolr3639
07-11-2009, 11:22 AM
Seems I always have a little trouble on vacation. Can't always eat when you're hungry and then when you do you go past satisified. But I did see some pictures of myself for the first time in a long time and I was surprised and pleased. How is everyone else doing?

SnowWolf
07-12-2009, 08:51 PM
Wow, hello everyone. I've read these posts, I am doing intuitive eating right now. I don't eat junk though, I find eating chicken helps fill you up, and it's good when your craving things also. haha, kinda random, huh? I was looking for a thread that I was doing. I found it. :)

I feel really good, and I find that if you let your cravings go, just have alittle of what you want( that's already in your own home already) you feel ok, becuase when you let yourself just have alittle of what your craving, you know it will not hurt you for the day.

What's wierd is since I've started, I havn't felt hungry really at all. One: Becuase I'm eating here and there when I know I need to. Is that against ie? Also, I know that since I've been eating only when I'm hungry it has my appitite lower.

Also as a side note, I've been exercising almost everyday.

Do you guys really think that book is worth getting? I havn't looked at it.

:)

SnowWolf
07-12-2009, 08:52 PM
Seems I always have a little trouble on vacation. Can't always eat when you're hungry and then when you do you go past satisified. But I did see some pictures of myself for the first time in a long time and I was surprised and pleased. How is everyone else doing?

wow, that is great carol! :)

carolr3639
07-14-2009, 12:39 PM
Welcome snowwolf. I'm on vacation right now so not much time to post. Lord williing, we'll be home on Sat.

Blue Serenity
07-15-2009, 12:10 PM
Welcome SnowWolf! :wave:

It seems to be a little slow around here lately. I, myself, have been out of town a few days and am just now back. This isn't a really busy thread to begin with, but we have some regulars who pop in to let us know how things are going and we discuss our ups and downs. It's truly a learning process following IE - mostly learning about ourselves! I do recommend the book, but in case you haven't already checked out the website, you can click on the link in my signature to read a bit about it.

I hit a snag this weekend and found out what happens when I am tempted not to watch my carbs, the old diet mentality sets in and I still give myself free reign to eat. *sigh* I guess the only way to be truly free is to give yourself complete permission to eat, not even holding back just a bit (like I have been doing with the carbs). So I think I have to make a life choice ... put up with the occasional splurges that come with family get-togethers and just get back into the game "come Monday" or just totally let go. I've already let go and it added 10 pounds almost instantly. Not the direction I wanted to go in. PLUS I fear diabetes is looming on the horizon for me if I do not put that limit on my carbs now while things are still OK. Well, that was my boo-hoo session for the day. I have to stick with limiting my carbs, but still doing it the IE way.

Hope everyone is doing OK! Its been so quiet in here! Have a great one! :sunny:

carolr3639
07-16-2009, 11:36 AM
From Beyond Chocolate.

Most of us do not wake up in the morning thinking "I really must transform my relationship with food and my body!". Most women wake up thinking "I really must lose weight!". The search for weight loss is all encompassing: Weight loss is the answer, the pot of gold. Or is it?

At Beyond Chocolate we often get asked the million-dollar question: do people lose weight by following the Beyond Chocolate principles?

The short answer is: yes, many women do.

The longer answer is: yes many women do lose weight - for some it happens quite quickly but for most, it takes a while to undo the years of dieting mentality and learn new skills. Lets face it, dieting is depressing, punishing, and it doesn't work for long. Beyond Chocolate is kind, liberating and for life! So, it may take a bit of time to lose weight and you may even put a bit on before it goes for good, but getting there will be nothing like a diet! Some women haven't lost weight but what they've gained is immeasurable.

So while you read the testimonials below, all from women who have reported losing weight and from those who haven't, have a look at what they say they have all gained. Maybe tomorrow you'll wake up thinking "I really must transform my relationship with food and my body!"

"Sophie and Audrey Boss have changed my life, they have taught me how to listen to my body and give it what it needs. I eat for pleasure and nourishment and stop when I am satisfied. I no longer spend evenings uncomfortably full and regretting what I have eaten, or hungry and deprived whilst dieting. I'm free of the tyranny of the diet industry and from my self-imposed dieting and food miseries. And have I lost weight? Yes, two stone so far, without counting a calorie, syn or point, without giving up chocolate, or fresh bread and butter, or cheese, or a good bottle of wine. Beyond Chocolate changes lives." D. Merriman, Yorkshire

"90% of women on this westernised bit of the planet are wasting so much time and energy being miserable about their weight. Read the book. Go on the course. Work on yourself. Then we'll take over the WORLD!" Cressi, Cambridgeshire

"I bought this book a year ago now. The best buy I ever made!! For the first time in my life I'm losing weight without trying and thoroughly enjoying eating whatever I want" D Liridona, on Amazon

"I've been on and off diets all my life. After a year or so of investigating and procrastinating, I started Beyond Chocolate last summer. I had a six-month fight with myself, knowing how important it was medically for me lose weight as soon as possible, but trying to 'let go' and allow intuitive eating to work properly. Then I had a light-bulb moment. The more I worry about it, the less it works. The more I jump on the scales, the less it works. The more I think about weight and size the less it works. I had to learn to trust my body and take a huge leap of faith that it would give me the right signals, if I only allowed it and listened properly, as to how to heal my relationship with food and my body, and become healthier. And now I'm getting lighter. More importantly still, knowing I can trust my body is so liberating! It's a freedom I've never had before in my life and I love it. Letting go is definitely the key." Lesley, Oldham

"With dieting, my only reward was weight loss. With intuitive eating, I'm rewarded every moment of every day. I'm rewarded when I realise I haven't eaten a morning snack because I just wasn't hungry. I'm rewarded when I share the most delicious ice cream with a friend, and enjoy every mouthful without feeling guilty. I'm rewarded with the freedom of not having to write down every morsel that passes my lips. And I'm rewarded when I realise that that little apple pie is still sitting in my freezer, waiting for me when I'm ready." Brooke, Melbourne, Australia

"I have never before felt this level of choice and control around food and, as a result, my self-esteem has soared, giving me the happiness and energy for life I have craved for such a long time." Louise, Edinburgh

SnowWolf
07-17-2009, 01:00 AM
(sorry for the spelling-don't have time to fix)

Thanks for welcoming, Carol and blue. :)


And blue, don't beat yourself up-we all know how that feels. Just next time allow yourself what you want, just enjoy it slowly and stop eating. Like, to make yourself allittle satisfyed just eat like let's say...chips, eat or let yourself eat maybe a handful and a half, to take your mind off of wanting it. You'll feel better and in control. Then just have alittle of the other treats on the table. And that's it. You'll feel fine. When you just let yourself have enough to get a taste.

So try that next time. or try eating things at the right time, so they don't make you feel icky when you do have a treat.

For me today, I was running late for summer school ( I'm getting ahead) and I couldn't find any carbs out and ready to just grab. So my mom found the last cinimon roll thingy, and I kind of rolled my eyes inside thinking...I'm taking it anyway. This was at 7: 25 in the morning.

But, I didn't beat myself up for it, becuase I like to eat carbs in the morning, my body needs it and it will burn it up happily no problems... to bad.

But then I have something junky I crave or want more, so I had two hashbrowns when I came home, and I barley waited untill I was hungry, then eggs. And then carries. I felt bad, but I was ok, because I let myself. I know it's not that bad, but when your doing good, you get that "oh-no" thought. I CAN really do some damage when I let myself. ( I didn't do that good yesterday either, but I'm still sticking to my guns and if I eat something bad-if I feel hungry later, then I know it was ok for that day, becuase I'll eat again then exercise. To make up. THIS has helped me alot, it works well, keeps me going, and supprisingly, since I'm focused on taking care of my body, not just lossing wieght, it's working for me. )

So to make up for being a wiener, I worked out on the glazel while watching Rocky 4(haha), and walking down to pick up my brother, then walking for 30 minutes.

So I think to help the cravings, let yourself, but try to time it right. When your body wount make you feel discusting.

And also when your with family, maybe make something healthy to eat, drink allot of water and let yourself have a taste. :) Then you'll get used to it, then worry less-when it's out of your head you'll eat less of it. I think part of eating, comes with wanting satisfying moment that you never quit reach becuase your too focused on eating more. Maybe if we all focused on the first bits and the taste maybe we'll start to feel more satisfyed.

Eventually, you'll be cool about family dinners, and you'll have self controll, becuase when you let your self have some. You'll feel no need to brake and go and throw away your work.

Hope that helps alittle? :)

and carol, that sounds really good, I think you can change yourself without reading a book or joining something though. becuase it takes you to do it. You can lead a horse to water...

Just make sure your serrounded by healthy foods, that way when temptation comes around, you'll not want to eat to much of it. Or not? But that's my thinking, if your in a good mind-set, you can really do good.

Blue Serenity
07-17-2009, 11:01 AM
"With dieting, my only reward was weight loss. With intuitive eating, I'm rewarded every moment of every day. I'm rewarded when I realise I haven't eaten a morning snack because I just wasn't hungry. I'm rewarded when I share the most delicious ice cream with a friend, and enjoy every mouthful without feeling guilty. I'm rewarded with the freedom of not having to write down every morsel that passes my lips. And I'm rewarded when I realise that that little apple pie is still sitting in my freezer, waiting for me when I'm ready."

This reminds me of something I saw years ago ... lemme see if it's still out there on the net somewhere ... yep ...

Normal eating is going to the table hungry and eating until you are satisfied. It is being able to choose food you like and eat it and truly get enough of itónot just stop eating because you think you should. Normal eating is being able to give some thought to your food selection so you get nutritious food, but not being so wary and restrictive that you miss out on enjoyable food. Normal eating is giving yourself permission to eat sometimes because you are happy, sad or bored, or just because it feels good. Normal eating is mostly three meals a day, or four or five, or it can be choosing to munch along the way. It is leaving some cookies on the plate because you know you can have some again tomorrow, or it is eating more now because they taste so wonderful. Normal eating is overeating at times, feeling stuffed and uncomfortable. And it can be undereating at times and wishing you had more. Normal eating is trusting your body to make up for your mistakes in eating. Normal eating takes up some of your time and attention, but keeps its place as only one important area of your life.

In short, normal eating is flexible. It varies in response to your hunger, your schedule, your proximity to food and your feelings.

I think part of eating, comes with wanting satisfying moment that you never quit reach becuase your too focused on eating more. Maybe if we all focused on the first bits and the taste maybe we'll start to feel more satisfyed.

I think you're absolutely right SnowWolf. There is a whole chapter in the IE book dealing with eating for satisfaction. It plays a very important part of eating intuitively!

Hmmm, this gives me something to think about in a different light. I've always looked at all my excess weight as me overeating because I love food so much (and I do love a wide variety of foods, there's not much out there I won't eat) but in reality, the bulk of my weight came on thru a shift of addictions (from smoking & drinking to eating & dieting). And throughout all those diets I've been on in the past, there wasn't much focus on eating for satisfaction. You had to avoid the real mayo because it had more calories and fat than the real good stuff. Turkey bacon was eaten instead of real bacon because is was supposedly better for you. Low carb bread was eaten instead of the real whole wheat, etc. etc. Even now as I am trying to be carb conscious, I find myself gravitating towards lower carb foods so I can EAT MORE. And that is driving the diet mentality that I'm not truly enjoying every bite so I must somehow make up for it by eating MORE FOOD. Oy! And, as I found out this past weekend, put an assortment of cakes and goodies out in front of me on the table and I'm still like a kid in the candy store.

Well, more to think about. I may just have to fire the carb police after all. Thanks Carol and SnowWolf. :grouphug:

carolr3639
07-20-2009, 09:51 AM
Blue, the funny thing is I just haven't been very hungry lately, even for sweets. I think it is partly because on vacation it seems you are eating nonstop and also my blood calcium could be going up again which causes that feeling. Summer is rough because I'm not supposed to be in the sun, which causes an over abundance of vitamin D and also the blood calcium going up. There is calcium in most foods so it is hard in the summer to keep it under control without prednisone which I haven't been taking since Jan. Awful stuff except it does keep the calcium down.

Blue Serenity
07-20-2009, 10:24 AM
Wow, Carol! I didn't realize calcium could have such an impact on people. I've never heard of that.

carolr3639
07-20-2009, 12:25 PM
The name of the disease is sarcoidosis which consists of tiny granulomas in the lungs and elsewhere. They are filled with macrophages that cause the trouble with the calcium. It is an autoimmune disease. I barely understand it. ha!

SnowWolf
07-20-2009, 07:19 PM
thank you for the welcome, I'm in a hurry right now. But, I have questiongs/thoughts things to say about this diet, but I'll have to post them later. sigh. :)

carolr3639
07-21-2009, 10:25 AM
I had a few surprises in the way of eating while on vacation. DH and I had Baskin Robbins ice cream for the first time in a long time. They don't have that around us. The first cone tasted really good but after the second I felt I could take it or leave it. That's something I haven't experienced. We did have a thing called pergochi. or something like that I had never had before. It was a meat pie and very good. I chose that instead of Chipotle like everyone else. That's one good thing....there were a lot of choices in downtown Seattle.

pattygirl63
07-22-2009, 12:59 AM
Hi Everyone,

Well, I haven't been here in a while, but I'm still around. :welcome: to all the Newbies. It's good to see the activity here. I've been trying some low carb programs because like Blue, I have to watch the carb intake.

Blue - Since I have to watch my carbs, I have recently decided to incorporate the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet ideas with IE. I really believe it is very doable for me. I only eat high carb foods once a day, but I eat only when I'm hungry. Then I eat until satisfied. I don't like feeling full and I don't eat if I'm not hungry. I never eat just because it is time to eat. I understand where you are coming from. I don't want to get back into the diet thinking and yet I know I must control the carbs to control cravings. I always like the concept of CAD and I can make it work with IE for me. It seems to me that everyone does IE in a way that works for them. And that is the way I think we have to do IE... do it the way that it works for us.

Carolr - Thanks for the blog and the youtube info and all you share. I will check it out tomorrow.

Good night.

carolr3639
07-22-2009, 02:34 PM
Hi Trish. Good to see that you are working this out for yourself. I know it is summer because I'm just not really hungry lately. But, just like our kitties, when the fall weather hits I get hungrier. Do you know the difference between Atkins and South Beach? I'm on another board and a guy there has lost about 50lb in less than 2 months on South Beach. He was over 400lb, however.

JulieJ08
07-22-2009, 02:52 PM
Huge difference between Atkins and South Beach.

Atkins restricts carbs period (20g on induction, and slowly raised from there as tolerated), and does NOT restrict fat. It's more of a high fat WOE than high protein. The goal is to be in ketosis.

South Beach restricts refined carbs, but not whole grain / fruit carbs per se (although in practice those on the diet seem to feel they have to be careful with them). But even Phase 1 is much higher carb than Atkins. South Beach does not put you in ketosis. In fact, in Phase 1 you're *supposed* to included servings of dairy and beans that will put you over Atkins induction carb levels. It is also about low-fat dairy and lean mean cuts, whereas Atkins is about full-fat.

pattygirl63
07-23-2009, 06:54 PM
Why oh why do I try dieting. :?: I really don't know. I am so tired of it. I've been dieting for 40+ years. I have been following low carbing for almost 2 months and my weight is up this morning. I am through with dieting. I am doing a Journal on the pc regarding my feelings and reading my IE book again.

carolr - thanks for the articles and websites. I appreciate them.

I am also enjoying reading what everyone has written.

Blue Serenity
07-24-2009, 10:58 AM
Hi everyone, :wave: not much time this morning so just a quick pop-in for me.

Trish, I hear ya! I stopped counting my carbs because it was causing me to stay in diet mode. I'm just winging it now. Yesterday all I wanted was carbs (backlash, I guess) and enjoyed everything from spaghetti to donuts to french fries I wasn't even hungry for. lol What a struggle this is. But, in spite of all that the scale was good to me. I think I somehow finally flushed out a bunch of water weight I was holding on to, which is always nice to see go!

I tried the carbohydrate addicts diet a few years ago and I managed to break even on it. Never lost any weight, but I did eat as much as I wanted to without gaining either. We'll find what works! Hang in there! :hug:

Have a great one everyone! :sunny:

carolr3639
07-24-2009, 12:48 PM
Lots of company here again now. I'm so thankful for IE at times like this. My DD asked me if I had lost more weight. She thought I looked thinner. I might have lost a little on vacation because I didn't feel well. I really don't think so but it was nice of her to ask.

pattygirl63
07-24-2009, 05:27 PM
Blue - Thanks for the words of encouragement.

I am trying to be sure I get my minimum fiber, but everything is done according to IE. It is amazing to me how I respond to food on IE. When on low carb, I got hungry for ice cream. So I bought some when I decided to do CAD. The strange thing is that now that I can have it, I do not want it. The thought of it makes me feel sick. Isn't that weird?

I went to the store today and bought foods I like and most of those are healthy foods. Not because I'm on a diet saying that I have to eat it but because that is what I really want. It just seems that once I you tell me I have to eat it, I rebel, but when I don't "have to" eat it any more I find that is exactly what I want.

I think that I have come to the place where I am just "burned out" on diets, especially after too many years of all the "Diet" thinking. I woke up a few days ago and realized that I'm going to be 66 yrs old next month and I have spent most of the last 46 years on some kind of a diet and I am tired of it. Just can't do it any more.

I'm sorry for venting my feelings here. I know things will get better.

Hope everyone has a great weekend.

carolr3639
07-25-2009, 10:12 AM
Trish, the reason we get discouraged, I think, is because IE takes longer. But after 2 yr. of being faithful to IE people are always asking me if I have lost weight even though I'm a long way from thin. Just keep swimming, swimming.....

Bootsie
07-25-2009, 01:28 PM
Thank You Carol! I am new at this diet, going to check with some resale stores see if i can find a book. Right now its just eating till your full, making healthy choices and keeping God first right? I can do that!

pattygirl63
07-25-2009, 01:34 PM
Thanks carolr. I really believe IE is the only thing I can do right now. Remember the first story in the IE book about the woman named Sandra? She walked into the office and said "I just can't do another diet: you are my last resort."? That is the way I feel. I get the impression so far from what I've read that this is the place we have to come to with IE.

I have dieted for so many years that I have evolved into a "Professional Dieter". I think this is why IE has been so difficult for me to get hold of and hang on to. This time I have to really stick with the IE program and make it mine. It really is the way I ate up until my 20's when I began to take on "other" peoples ideas of what was "their ideas" of what was a "healthy" way to eat. Somehow I have to learn to trust myself and those old ways that were "really" my healthy ways of eating for me. I sure hope I can do it this time.

I was just reading something I got from another IE thread that says our focus should be to achieve and maintain a healthy, comfortable weight not focused on getting thin at any cost. As we learn to look after ourselves and our bodies in the best way we can, our weight and size will evolve to the healthiest level that is possible. I am going to do my best at making this my focus.

Blue, Julie, SnowWolf and IE lurkers :wave:

Y'all have a great weekend.

pattygirl63
07-25-2009, 05:35 PM
I thought maybe I would try to share here what I am learning about my IE Journey. I am reading the Tribole and Resch IE book again and will try to put into action in my life. I was reading about Principle #1 Reject The Diet Mentality. According to the book, I have to stop thinking nutrition for now. As a Professional Dieter personality, I spend so much time thinking "nutrition" over the years. I spend a lot of time reading and trying to learn more about nutrition so I can be sure to eat more nutritious foods. I can almost tell why I eat certain foods to keep myself on a good healthy Diet. Example, Blueberries for antioxidants and for eyes, oatmeal for cholestrol, bananas for blood pressure, etc. They ask the question in the book "has it worked?" Well, I'm sure it does some good things for my health, but it has done nothing for weight loss. If anything, I've gained weight over the years. They say nutrition can be respected and honored, but it cannot be the 1st priority when you have dieted all your life. In fact, it must be ignored because it interferes with the process of re-learning how to become an Intuitive Eater. So starting today, I will start working on Principle #1 "Reject the Diet Mentality" and I suspect it will also be a struggle to work to ignore nutrition for now.

I hope by sharing this that it will help others who may be experiencing the same struggles that I am.

Tanna Banana
07-26-2009, 10:47 PM
This is a great thread!

I feel like crying right now. I so WANT to learn how to listen to my body when I am eating, but I am so bad about ignoring my body.

It's not a matter of not knowing what is the right way to eat - I already know a lot about that. I just don't want to have to count calories for the rest of my life to lose weight.
:(

carolr3639
07-27-2009, 08:55 AM
Welcome Tanna and great insight, Trish.

Blue Serenity
07-27-2009, 10:39 AM
Welcome to the IE thread Tanna. I understand what you are saying about having to count calories for the rest of your life. It gets old. It gets frustrating. Re-learning to eat intuitively definitely takes time and patience and if you're trying to lose weight on top of that it can get quite frustrating as well, especially when you don't see the scale moving the way you would like it to. But, the bottom line is, I think those of us who are sticking with IE (no matter how many twists and turns or how far we get off the path at times), I think we all realize that there is no better way. We have tried all the diets, more than once. We've given it all we've got but haven't gotten anywhere. We realize that life wasn't meant to be lived with a fork in one hand and a calculator in the other. Years of imposed rules on eating (self-imposed or otherwise) are taking their toll. We're not lazy. We don't lack the will power. We're just sick of all the rules and want to live normal lives. Personally, it has taken me almost 30 years to "learn" everything I have "learned" about dieting and losing weight (like a yo-yo, that is). I don't want it to take another 30 just to lose it, but I realize that that's a lot of UN-learning to do. It's gonna take some time. The best advice I can offer anyone who wants to do IE is to have a realistic view of it. It is definitely NOT a lose-weight-fast approach. That is not to say that one cannot lose weight at a steady rate, but I believe that how much we have to unlearn will definitely determine our rate of success.

Learning to trust our bodies takes lots of time. Just recently I put a restriction on my carbs because I *know* that eating too many carbs causes me to crave more carbs and pack on the pounds. Not only that but I'm at high risk of developing diabetes and thought that it would be a good idea to try to be proactive against it. What I wasn't doing was trusting my body to tell me what it needed. I was relying on a number to prevent me from getting too much of what I *thought* I didn't need. The result? Diet backlash with binging on carbs. I convinced myself that counting my carbs was still IE, I was just controlling one little area of it. Nope. It's not IE. It was still a diet. Yet another diet I could not stick with. BUT it was an important IE lesson learned and more un-learning of the diet thinking that has ruled my life.

IE takes time and patience. Be kind to yourself if you decide to follow IE.

Have a great one everyone! :sunny:

pattygirl63
07-27-2009, 11:05 AM
:wave:Hi Carolr and all IErs,

:welcome3:Bootsie and Tanna. Glad to have you here.

Blue I agree 100%. I am learning the same things you are. I had to learn the same thing about the carbs. I was shocked when I started reading IE book again to learn that I was still dieting.

Principle #1 Reject the Diet Mentality

I think this is going to be a real process time for me. I realized when I went to bed last night that I lay in bed and think "diet" thinking about what I should/shouldn't eat tomorrow. Usually the first think I do when I first wake up in the morning is pray before I even get out of bed. I was amazed this morning when I realized that I wasn't praying. This is when I realized that in the mornings before I get out of bed that my mind wanders to what? "Diet" thinking. I lay there thinking of how and what I should/shouldn't eat today. I ended up telling myself last night and today "No, I am not dieting any more. Stop thinking 'diet'". This is going to take some time to get rid of these "diet" thoughts, rules and regulations that it has taken me about 46 yrs to learn. The sad thing is that until sometime in my early 20s I started learning all these rules. Until thenI was naturally an IE person. IE was "normal" for me, but everyone around me was telling me "You have to learn to eat "normal"... to them it was 3 meals a day and for some it was 3 meals and snacks. I had a dietician friend who wrote up a diet for me. It had 3 meals and 2 or 3 snacks. I remember telling someone, "I can't eat all that food. I'll weigh a ton". Now here I am at this age 46 yrs later having to learn how to let that Intuitive Eater back out. She was, is and will be the "normal" again.

Poor DH. I told him last night. I am NOT on a diet and I am NOT going to ever diet again. He probably thinks I've lost it.

Y'all have a great day.

Bootsie
07-27-2009, 03:35 PM
Thank You, Trish. I am hiding my scales and start taking my measurements once a month. Those scales are as depressing as the weather man or news any more. I took my leg measurements and lost 1 inch in one week ! I plan on August 2nd to start taking my measurements once a month, life is depressing enough with out making it worse. I been eating, breakfast, one good meal a day and eating light for supper. Exercising more and living on a ranch that is not hard to do.I put on my mile counter and I walk 5 to 8 miles a day.
I built my dog a pen today but still got to find her a dog house she will like. She is kinda having to get used to it for it has more shade trees and she has not got a straight running path. She is a border collie and she is the fastest dog I ever saw! I been trying to get her to gain some weight but she runs all the calories off! I wish I could be that actived! it want be long before she starts running around those trees like a horse barrel races.

Blue Serenity
07-27-2009, 03:51 PM
Thank You Carol! I am new at this diet, going to check with some resale stores see if i can find a book. Right now its just eating till your full, making healthy choices and keeping God first right? I can do that!

Hi Bootsie, welcome! Glad to have you with us!

Bootsie
07-27-2009, 05:03 PM
Thank you Blue Serenity, I have been having trouble being a yo -yo in the past, been First Place for 9 years which I did loose weight but begin to yo-yo and I have been on the atkins diet and lost weight. I have been on lots of others with no results, I feel not weighing in is going to help me and taking my measurements because I would gain 2 to 10 pounds in one day before I was to weigh in, which was water but still it weighed! I find life less stressful not weighing every week and turning it in. Which I need a little less stress in my life.

dietcokeaddict
07-28-2009, 12:52 AM
I have been lurking and researching intuitive eating and body acceptance for a while now, and reading this thread is usually a wonderful little part of my day, but I am noticing some attitudes about listening to your body and intuitive eating here that I also notice in myself, and that I have found are harmful to me.

I think that thinking of intuitive eating as another thing to be "good" or "bad" at is dangerous, and is similar to the mentality we use when we are following a diet plan. There is always something which makes us want to eat a certain type of food.

I also think that having the goal of weight loss as the most important thing, or even an important thing in listening to your body tends to make me feel awful about myself, and put me right back into a binge eating/dieting mentality. If I am measuring my worth by my weight, I am no longer concerned with my spiritual, mental, emotional, or even really my physical well-being.


The only way I can listen to my body is if I realise that my body is very wonderful, just the way it is, and knows what it wants. Just because I gain weight or lose weight or stay the same weight does not mean that my body is addicted to a certain type of food, or I am not listening to my body, or I am doing something wrong. Life is very beautiful, and I have begun to realise that being so focused on my weight has drawn me away from living life for anything but being healthy and losing weight, or obsessing over why I am gaining weight.

Does any of this make sense? Or help? I hope I don't sound like I am preaching, as I am feeling lost most of the time myself...

Bootsie
07-28-2009, 09:54 AM
Dietcokeaddict, thank you for sharing, I am new here, but a-lot what you have said , I can relate too. I been on a-lot of diets and this one is new , still have not got the book, but right now I am concentrating getting my body out of stress, for I think that makes me gain. Anything in a diet that stress's my body at the moment, I will not do. Like have one special day to weigh! As for as I am concerned the scales are one of Satan's tools to use against me. I have been God's work in progress for 9 years and he still is not finished with me. I am hard -headed so stubborn and there are times I don't like me, but he never gives up on me; so why should I give up on myself. I know I been there ,there is another me, I got down to 155 and now I am back up to 199 but I used to be 259! I want to be 155 again but I am going to have to be patient about getting there, it is going to require a-lot of work form me to succeed. Right now it is hard to love myself, but I do have respect for my body, it has carried my soul around for 56 years and I owe to it to be good to it and I will. Does that make sense to anyone?

carolr3639
07-28-2009, 10:25 AM
Life is very beautiful, and I have begun to realise that being so focused on my weight has drawn me away from living life for anything but being healthy and losing weight, or obsessing over why I am gaining weight.

Does any of this make sense? Or help? I hope I don't sound like I am preaching, as I am feeling lost most of the time myself...[/QUOTE]

I think this is right on!

pattygirl63
07-28-2009, 01:09 PM
Today as I was reading about Pseudo-Dieting, I realized that unknowingly I did this myself. I fell into the trap of ďcutting back on foodĒ, but the strange thing is that I didnít do it to keep from gaining weight. I did it to stay within my allowance budget. My Daddy gave us girls $5.00 when he got paid which was twice a month. I could eat for $.24 a day. Boy those were the days. Then I could have spending money for gas to run around with friends and purchase records or whatever extras I wanted. In my senior year, all my friends went to the little cafť across the street from the high school. As I write this, everything starts to make sense that happened that year because I changed the way I ate.

I learned that if I had a coke and a package of chips on Monday - Thursday that on Friday I could have a hamburger with the coke and chips. This became my way of eating. Then once a week after school on my way to pick up my Daddy from work, I would stop at my aunts grocery store and have a cold drink and a piece of pastry. My body rebelled, but no one even the doctors couldnít figure out what was going on. I became lethargic. I had always been active even in sports and suddenly during P.E., I had no energy to participate. I became anemic and experienced dizziness and had fainting spells. The doctor put me in the hospital and ran tests, but couldnít find what was going on. I even gained about 5 lbs but didnít gain any more until I was about 20 or 21 years of age. I always thought the weight gain was because of the lack of all the activity.

Now I realize that I started the yo-yo eating and I wasnít even on a diet. I was just trying to stay within my budget. But our body doesn't know the why's, it just does what it was create to do. When we work against it, this is the results we get. Unknowingly, I was putting my body in a starvation mode which they didnít even know about back then. Later, I would get with people who said I that to eat certain ways thus the cycle of ďdiet thinkingĒ and years of dieting.

What a revelation this is to me. I think this will help me a long way. You know what is amazing to me is that my Pastor in the church where weíve attended now for almost a year eats pretty much what he wants, but recently he made the statement that he usually eats only 2 meals a day. He said that he has always eat this way and he does not have a weight problem. However, he did say that if he ate any other way that he would have a weight problem. This says to me that if I had continued eating the way I had eaten growing up and not put myself in the ďstarvation modeĒ, that I would never have had a weight problem in the first place. This also proves the fact that IE book brings out about diets is true. Diets cannot be the solution because they are what causes the problem.

You know the interesting thing about my Pastor is that his wife is on WW not too much over weight at this time and she is always trying to get him to change the way he eats because she thinks that he eats "unhealthy". He is eating Intuitively and as usual, people who follow the "traditional" thoughts of how we should eat thinks he is nuts and eating so unhealthy.

Hope what I learned helps someone else as well as it has helped me.

Y'all have a great IE day.

pattygirl63
07-28-2009, 01:17 PM
I have been lurking and researching intuitive eating and body acceptance for a while now, and reading this thread is usually a wonderful little part of my day, but I am noticing some attitudes about listening to your body and intuitive eating here that I also notice in myself, and that I have found are harmful to me.

I think that thinking of intuitive eating as another thing to be "good" or "bad" at is dangerous, and is similar to the mentality we use when we are following a diet plan. There is always something which makes us want to eat a certain type of food.

I also think that having the goal of weight loss as the most important thing, or even an important thing in listening to your body tends to make me feel awful about myself, and put me right back into a binge eating/dieting mentality. If I am measuring my worth by my weight, I am no longer concerned with my spiritual, mental, emotional, or even really my physical well-being.


The only way I can listen to my body is if I realise that my body is very wonderful, just the way it is, and knows what it wants. Just because I gain weight or lose weight or stay the same weight does not mean that my body is addicted to a certain type of food, or I am not listening to my body, or I am doing something wrong. Life is very beautiful, and I have begun to realise that being so focused on my weight has drawn me away from living life for anything but being healthy and losing weight, or obsessing over why I am gaining weight.

Does any of this make sense? Or help? I hope I don't sound like I am preaching, as I am feeling lost most of the time myself...

Thank you for sharing. You are right. I have a post on my mirror in the bathroom that says "My weight is not who I am. It is not a measure of my worth. It is just a number that gives me important information". It was not my idea. I got it out of Dr. Beck's book The Complete Beck Diet for Life. She has her patients say it everyday.

I agree that we need to think of our body as wonderful as it is and that is something I have not come to as yet but hope I will. I too want to stop focusing on the food and the weight loss which is what I hope to accomplish through IE.

Again thanks for sharing. You gave me some good things to think on.

Have a great day.

carolr3639
07-28-2009, 03:11 PM
I told someone today that I believe if I had never dieted, I would never have had a weight problem. I was thin until after my 4th baby when I had to take prednisone for several months. That started the yo yo going.

pattygirl63
07-28-2009, 04:11 PM
I am finding that I am intuitively eating healthier than I every have and the wonderful thing is that I am not on a diet. I have not had the same thing for breakfast all week. I got up this morning and looked in the fridge and just went with what seemed appealing. For our main meal DH and I halfed a steak and we had salad with it. Neither of us wanted anything else with it so we didn't. It is so nice to eat only what you want and enjoy it. I do need to slow down and savour each morsel. But that will come in time. Right now I am just enjoying eating what I want when I want and as much as I want. Even then I'm learning I don't have to eat a whole lot of it... just what makes me feel satisfied.

This wonderful.

Bootsie
07-28-2009, 10:56 PM
You know Trish I fixed this great big sirloin steak tonight off of one of our calves and it was delicious, halved with Husband but I ate one forth of it and I was FULL! I could not believe it, I used to could eat mine and his too!

Madison
07-28-2009, 11:44 PM
Hi everyone :)

I have some back-reading to do here, but I think this may be the place for me . . . I spent the last year gaining back much of the weight I lost. Many many things went into that but the main thing that has come out of it is that I cant diet any longer. Not even "diets" that say you dont have to "count" but rather just eat "portions". As I type this I am welling with anxiety at not being able to do "it" . . . that next diet perfectly so all I want to do is not do it!

I remember a time last year when I was on holiday for 3 months . . . it was the most perfect stretch of calm I have had in my life around food and body issues. Things were not "perfect" during that time. I did break up with someone, I was out of work and trying to get a new job . . . but the food stuff was not such a struggle.

I ate when I was hungry. I ate whatever spoke to me and I stopped when it was no longer doing it for me. I listened to my body and if something did not sit well with me . . . I didnt eat it again (or at least not daily!). I did not sit and stuff my face and body full of food. I ate freely. Not low carb, not low fat but foods in quantities that kept me happy and healthy.

I want that back.

pattygirl63
07-29-2009, 01:03 AM
You know Trish I fixed this great big sirloin steak tonight off of one of our calves and it was delicious, halved with Husband but I ate one forth of it and I was FULL! I could not believe it, I used to could eat mine and his too!

Bootsie I remember an article Carolr posted here way back by a man who ate at fast food place in another country. He said that he realized that the foods he bought there were the same as what he got in the same fast food place here in the states except the food in the foreign country was in smaller quantities. What surprised him was that he was just as satisfied with the what he there as he was when he ate it here. Some times when Tony and I go out to eat we will share a meal and I find that I'm just as satisfied with the smaller portion as I would have been if I had eaten a regular portion. I'm not sure why we think we need larger portions.

pattygirl63
07-29-2009, 01:06 AM
:welcome3: Danni. Glad to have you here and look forward to getting to know you. I've been there as many of us have and understand where you are coming from. I think IE is the only way to get free of all the craziness I've done in the past. Good luck with your journey.

Madison
07-29-2009, 01:29 AM
Thanks Trish!! :)

And I hear you on the US/Canadian portions . . . coffee is larger, McDonald's drinks/fries (this is a good thing when you are on holidays bcos you feel you are getting value for money) . . . Everytime I come home from a few months in the states I look at my "large" coffee here as though I have a kiddy cup! :D

pattygirl63
07-29-2009, 12:49 PM
Hi Everyone,

A quick one here. I just finished reading the Steps in Principle #1 and I am going to give up the scales. I understand why I should give them up period, but not sure I can do that yet. So I'm going to try to give them up for a little over a month and not weigh again until the September 1sr.

Now because of my age and the fact that I have gaine weight rather than lose in the last 3 months, I sneaked a peek again at what they had to say about basic nutrition. Although I will be working at not getting back into a "diet mentality", I wanted to know what they say about certain foods. I see that carbs are not my enemy, but done right are helpful. I also see that while nutrition has its place that enjoying the taste and texture of what I eat is extremely important.

I also like one thing I read today. You cannot fail at Intuitive Eating. We are free from the old falling off the wagon so to speak. If we eat something that we consider "bad" food etc, we are never to look at it as "blowing" it since for one thing we are not on a "diet". We are to see how we feel when we eat some of what Elyse Resch calls "play foods" rather than "junk or bad foods". Actually she says she eats 90% healthy and 10% "play" foods. Evaluate how we feel after eating the "play" foods and then decide if how we feel (good, lethargic, headaches, etc) is worth eating it again. I can do this.:)

Have a great IE day

Bootsie
07-29-2009, 04:50 PM
Hi y'all! I had my first 2 mile walk with a friend this morning! It is so nice to be able to walk and talk even if your dripping in sweat. Good old Texas weather, Love it! I think its 104 high today.

I looked for the book while in town, no luck...is the title Intuitive Eater or is it under another title? I think it sounds a-lot like the New 4/health in First Place, except we have to weigh in etc..

Patty girl it is hard giving up those scales! We can do it though it is like weaning ourselves from them, like a calf from a cow, their gonna ball for each other for two or 3 weeks then they are somewhat weaned, in 6 weeks they are weaned! I just thank Jesus those scales can't talk to me! I do like the tape measure for it does not lie, my scales[ have two pair] dance; may say something one time and you get all excited, think I got to see this again! The dumb scales go up 3 or 4 pounds makes you want to take a bat to em!

Blue Serenity
07-29-2009, 05:53 PM
I think that thinking of intuitive eating as another thing to be "good" or "bad" at is dangerous, and is similar to the mentality we use when we are following a diet plan ...... I also think that having the goal of weight loss as the most important thing, or even an important thing in listening to your body tends to make me feel awful about myself, and put me right back into a binge eating/dieting mentality. If I am measuring my worth by my weight, I am no longer concerned with my spiritual, mental, emotional, or even really my physical well-being ....... Does any of this make sense? Or help? I hope I don't sound like I am preaching, as I am feeling lost most of the time myself...

Welcome dietcokeaddict! I agree with you, too! I was just thinking about the whole good/bad mentality thing the other day. It's an area I have struggled with and find that I have a hard time breaking free from that good/bad attitude. I've even mentioned this before, that I always feel like if I'm not doing something that I'm "off" my plan but if I am actively doing something (monitoring my food, counting something, etc.) then I'm "good" and "on" plan. I don't know why I can't just accept that eating normal IS on plan!!! LOL! Sounds like it's time for me to reread my book, too! Oh, and the weight-loss issue. Yeah, guilty there. I so desperately want to lose weight, and don't know how to turn off that motivator either. Like Trish, I wish I had never "budgeted" my food (by trying my first diet).

Hi everyone :) ....... I ate when I was hungry. I ate whatever spoke to me and I stopped when it was no longer doing it for me. I listened to my body and if something did not sit well with me . . . I didnt eat it again (or at least not daily!). I did not sit and stuff my face and body full of food. I ate freely. Not low carb, not low fat but foods in quantities that kept me happy and healthy.

I want that back.

Welcome, Danni, you're in the right place to share this journey and find motivation. I personally wish I could be a better testimonial of IE, but I struggle with it every day. But, coming here regularly helps keep me focused, the ladies here are quite encouraging.

You cannot fail at Intuitive Eating. We are free from the old falling off the wagon so to speak. If we eat something that we consider "bad" food etc, we are never to look at it as "blowing" it since for one thing we are not on a "diet". We are to see how we feel when we eat some of what Elyse Resch calls "play foods" rather than "junk or bad foods". Actually she says she eats 90% healthy and 10% "play" foods. Evaluate how we feel after eating the "play" foods and then decide if how we feel (good, lethargic, headaches, etc) is worth eating it again. I can do this.

Hi Trish, this is exactly where I find myself struggling right now (as I mentioned earlier). I'm having a hard time making the mental shift that I'm not being bad or good. Even when talking to relatives (who diet and/or watch their food intake for whatever reason) the topic always comes up ... "I was so bad today, I ate ________" or "Monday I start over" ... that's not me saying those things, but others do and it only helps to remind me that when I'm not dieting like they are I'm being bad. They're losing weight or keeping health concerns under control and all I can do is be bad and watch that darn scale (that yes, I want to beat with a bat, lol) go up and up. I try to tell myself that I can eat whatever I want and I'm NOT being bad, but STILL feel guilty for doing so. I really need to reread my book! Sorry for venting. Just feeling like I've hit a brick wall lately.

Well, have a great one! :sunny:

carolr3639
07-29-2009, 06:07 PM
Hang in there Blue and others here. This takes time. This summer I am basically not very hungry and might see the scale below 140 but not worrying about it. I have not put the lever ........we have a balance beam scale....... below 150.......you know it goes in increments of 50.........for years. And if it goes below 150 with clothes and after eating that is getting pretty close to 140. But the little rewards like wearing smaller clothes and people commenting on my loss is good enough. I rarely pay attention to the scale. I have also noticed that when I buy something like donuts that I get tired of them before they are gone. I keep them in the freezer and can give them to my DH.

Blue Serenity
07-30-2009, 09:36 AM
Hi everyone! :wave:

Hi Bootsie, sorry for not answering you in my last post. I was having a moment. lol Here's a link to the book I have: Intuitive Eating (http://www.amazon.com/Intuitive-Eating-Revolutionary-Program-Works/dp/0312321236/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214173598&sr=1-1) You can also click on the link in my signature for more info.

Carol, I'm hanging! But my arms are getting tired!

Have a great one! :sunny:

pattygirl63
07-30-2009, 12:23 PM
Hi Trish, this is exactly where I find myself struggling right now (as I mentioned earlier). I'm having a hard time making the mental shift that I'm not being bad or good. Even when talking to relatives (who diet and/or watch their food intake for whatever reason) the topic always comes up ... "I was so bad today, I ate ________" or "Monday I start over" ... that's not me saying those things, but others do and it only helps to remind me that when I'm not dieting like they are I'm being bad. They're losing weight or keeping health concerns under control and all I can do is be bad and watch that darn scale (that yes, I want to beat with a bat, lol) go up and up. I try to tell myself that I can eat whatever I want and I'm NOT being bad, but STILL feel guilty for doing so. I really need to reread my book! Sorry for venting. Just feeling like I've hit a brick wall lately. :sunny:[/QUOTE]

Blue - I do the same thing. I think that is why I have bounced around so much on diets. I wish I had a nickle for every time someone shared with me the "diet" they just knew would work for me. I feel guilty when I don't try it and I have experienced that for years. Now, I choose to do what "I" believe is right for me. I think we have to learn to say, "I'm glad you have found what works for you. I am equally glad that I have found what works for me" smile, walk away or change the subject.

pattygirl63
07-30-2009, 12:28 PM
Hi y'all! I had my first 2 mile walk with a friend this morning! It is so nice to be able to walk and talk even if your dripping in sweat. Good old Texas weather, Love it! I think its 104 high today.

I looked for the book while in town, no luck...is the title Intuitive Eater or is it under another title? I think it sounds a-lot like the New 4/health in First Place, except we have to weigh in etc..

Bootsie - I live in SC, but I was born and raised in Waco. I've lived in Dallas, League City down between Houston and Galveston, Gatesville besides Waco.

I got my book from Amazon.com It is Intuitive Eating by Rachel Tribole and Elyse Resch.

pattygirl63
07-30-2009, 12:42 PM
Patty girl it is hard giving up those scales! We can do it though it is like weaning ourselves from them, like a calf from a cow, their gonna ball for each other for two or 3 weeks then they are somewhat weaned, in 6 weeks they are weaned! I just thank Jesus those scales can't talk to me! I do like the tape measure for it does not lie, my scales[ have two pair] dance; may say something one time and you get all excited, think I got to see this again! The dumb scales go up 3 or 4 pounds makes you want to take a bat to em!

Bootsie - I didn't weigh this morning. I gave up the scales today. It wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be. When I saw the section under Step 3 Get Rid of the Dieter's Tools in the book in bold letters The Scales as False God, I think it did it for me. As a Christian, I don't have any intention of allowing a scale become a god to me. Looking at it from that thought, it was easy to stay off the scales this morning. Strange, but it suddenly became an enemy not a friend.

Busy day we hadn't planned on so will be eating out, but I don't think that is going to be a problem any more.The last time we went to Ryan's I walked around trying to decide what jumped out at me and just ended up eating something because I was there and we were eating our main meal.

carolr - I understand about the donuts. I think I am moving into a new attitude about food, because suddenly nothing tastes as good as it did when it was "forbidden" foods when dieting. In fact, I got one of those "getting to know you" type emails recently and one of the questions was... "What is your favorite food?" I didn't have an answer? I could not think of anything that I would consider a favorite food. In fact, I'm having a hard time deciding what to eat because nothing is really appealing except maybe fruit and I think that is because you don't have to cook it and you can grab it and just eat it and be done.:dizzy:

Who would every have thought that I would get to the place that nothing looks good to eat.

Hope everybody has a great day.

carolr3639
07-30-2009, 03:02 PM
Oh, I have a favorite food..... a fresh garden tomato on toast. But a lot of former favorites have faded in significance.

pattygirl63
07-30-2009, 07:33 PM
Hey reading the book today and I found out today that I am actually in stage 2. I am glad to learn that I won't be eating the way I eat forever. I suddenly realized today that I really have this problem. I don't know what foods I like and don't like. My choices of food has pretty much been planned for me either by other people... example my Mama when I was growing up, friends when we went out to eat, my aunt when I lived with her and then by what hubbies and children liked to eat. Oh and diets. Now that I'm free to choose for me, I have the problem of figuring out what to eat just because "I" like it. Strange thing is that my DH is going through this thing right now where nothing tastes good to him. Makes it hard to plan meals, but this may be good because right now I have to choose without any outside ideas. But according to the book, this is normal.

Madison
07-30-2009, 09:20 PM
Patty - what is the book that you are referring to?

And I totally understand falling back into the "diet" mentality.

I realised the other day that the way I eat is basically South Beachy when I opened some of the cookbooks that I had at home for some new meal ideas. I know I have been eating mindlessly at night (and thefore not intuitively at all . . . ) so I thought I would get some structure around my eating and look into SB.

For me, being intuitive with structure feels really good at the moment. I think when it doesnt feel good is when I will know that I need to adjust something a little. I cant log calories though. Or count carbs. Or limit veggies that I know make me feel like a rockstar. And I wont eat everything on the SB "plan" just bcos someone has said I need to have those servings at those times. But I do like to read about new ideas and different plans as I know I like some loose rules - particularly with my insulin resistance it helps to be educated about what will make me feel better.

Being aware of how I feel and just asking myself "are you hungry" "how did that make you feel" is really helpful.

ps. I love that you are all finding what works for you :)

flmom23
07-31-2009, 07:58 AM
Hi there! I've been reading your thread for the last day or so and I think this might be the place for me.

Years ago I read the book "Intuitive Eating" and another older book "When Women stop hating their bodies" which is similar. I (of course) and a chronic dieter and am like many of you....wishing I'd never dieted in the first place. I'm 5'9" and would kill for the 140 pounds I was in high school (when I thought I was sooo fat!)

I've had a couple of periods in my life when I was really not thinking about food constantly and (ta-da!) those were the periods in my life when my weight went down steadily. Imagine that?

Right now I'm just trying to focus on honoring my body...listening to it, making healthy choices and not punishing myself. What I find now though is that I've been so out of whack for so long that I don't recognize any of my body's signals. :(

Blue Serenity
07-31-2009, 09:41 AM
I think we have to learn to say, "I'm glad you have found what works for you. I am equally glad that I have found what works for me" smile, walk away or change the subject.

Agreed!

Hi there! I've been reading your thread for the last day or so and I think this might be the place for me.

Years ago I read the book "Intuitive Eating" and another older book "When Women stop hating their bodies" which is similar. I (of course) and a chronic dieter and am like many of you....wishing I'd never dieted in the first place. I'm 5'9" and would kill for the 140 pounds I was in high school (when I thought I was sooo fat!)

I've had a couple of periods in my life when I was really not thinking about food constantly and (ta-da!) those were the periods in my life when my weight went down steadily. Imagine that?

Right now I'm just trying to focus on honoring my body...listening to it, making healthy choices and not punishing myself. What I find now though is that I've been so out of whack for so long that I don't recognize any of my body's signals. :(

Welcome flmom23! I hear ya about the high school flash back! Oh how fat I thought I was. Insanity! LOL My thighs were just a little bigger than the rest of the girls I hung out with so I thought I was fat. *sigh* I know what you mean!!! But you sound like you've got a good grip on IE, so you should be well on your way! The more you listen, the more you'll hear the signals, just may take a little time.

I'm digging my book back out T-O-D-A-Y! (Not only that, but I'm gonna read it too! hehehe!)

Have a great weekend everyone! :sunny:

pattygirl63
07-31-2009, 11:59 AM
[QUOTE=Danni;2852230]Patty - what is the book that you are referring to?QUOTE]

The book is Intuitive Eating by Evelyn Tribole, M.S.,R.D. and Elyse Resch, M.S.,R.D.,F.A.D.A.

pattygirl63
07-31-2009, 12:09 PM
Hi there! I've been reading your thread for the last day or so and I think this might be the place for me.

Years ago I read the book "Intuitive Eating" and another older book "When Women stop hating their bodies" which is similar. I (of course) and a chronic dieter and am like many of you....wishing I'd never dieted in the first place. I'm 5'9" and would kill for the 140 pounds I was in high school (when I thought I was sooo fat!)

I've had a couple of periods in my life when I was really not thinking about food constantly and (ta-da!) those were the periods in my life when my weight went down steadily. Imagine that?

Right now I'm just trying to focus on honoring my body...listening to it, making healthy choices and not punishing myself. What I find now though is that I've been so out of whack for so long that I don't recognize any of my body's signals. :(

flmom:welcome3: to the group. I know exactly what you are saying. What a weird thing to learn that we have done what is right for us in the past and didn't know it? We listened to the wrong people and slipped into the "dieting" cycle and caused us a lot of problem that we now have to unlearn all the wrong things so we can learn to do what was "normal" again. I too am having to learn to recognize my body's signals too.

Have a good day.

pattygirl63
07-31-2009, 12:17 PM
Well, today I learned that I love oatmeal with fruit and yogurt. I had it for breakfast not because it is good for me, but just because I like it. I don't like the texture of instant or quick oats which is all I have at the moment. My favorite is old fashioned oats.

I'm having fish sticks for dinner today. Was my favorite growing up so it will be interesting to see if it still is.

I'm also into fruit -- melons, bananas and strawberries to name a few. I am also loving cooked carrots. Interesting. huh No junk in there.:D

carolr, Blue and everyone else - Have a great day!

carolr3639
07-31-2009, 06:43 PM
Made a new chocolate cookie recipe today but my favorite was the tomatoes and cucumbers from the garden. YUM!

flmom23
08-01-2009, 09:17 AM
Ok....so this morning I got up and was trying to decide if a) I was hungry for breakfast and b) what I'd like to eat if I was. I couldn't figure out if I was hungry. No hunger pangs and nothing sounded good so I figured I'd just wait to see how I felt later. Soooo....I sit down and play on the computer for a few minutes and drink my coffee and I realize that I'm getting upset/nervous.....like I'm not going to feel better unless I find something to eat NOW! What's that about? :?: I finally decided that I'd make grits, and as soon as I'd made that decision I felt better. Sheesh....talk about emotional eating!:rolleyes:

pattygirl63
08-01-2009, 11:43 AM
Ok....so this morning I got up and was trying to decide if a) I was hungry for breakfast and b) what I'd like to eat if I was. I couldn't figure out if I was hungry. No hunger pangs and nothing sounded good so I figured I'd just wait to see how I felt later. Soooo....I sit down and play on the computer for a few minutes and drink my coffee and I realize that I'm getting upset/nervous.....like I'm not going to feel better unless I find something to eat NOW! What's that about? :?: I finally decided that I'd make grits, and as soon as I'd made that decision I felt better. Sheesh....talk about emotional eating!:rolleyes:

I think it is about learning the biological signals and that takes time. It will come just give yourself time. If you are like me, you have learned all these "diet" rules of when and how to eat so that you haven't had to listen to when your body is hungry. Now you are having to learn to stop the rules and listen to when your body says it is hungry. I go through that some time too. I don't always recognize when I'm hungry and until I get the shakes. Not so much now as I did in the beginning of this. Now I have the problem of recognizing "real" hunger and I "think" I'm hungry. IE is a process and we just have to go through it. Carolr is a real inspiration to me that this actually works and look forward to the time when I can be join her in the success zone.

IE is process of learning experiences. We learn why we do certain things and make corrections where needed. Trust your instincts.

pattygirl63
08-01-2009, 11:53 AM
Good Morning,

Things are going good for me. I'm starting to understand how I like to feel when I eat. I have known this before, but it is sinking in again. I hate feeling stuffed and overfed. Now I feel that I'm starting to explore how I feel when I eat certain foods. I actually like the feeling that eating light foods gives me. The only way I know how to explain it.

The fish sticks were good, but not as good as when Mama fixed it. I find that true about a lot of things. I never thought I could give up potatoes when dieting, so had a baked potato the other day. It was good, but not as great as I thought. I'm learning that some foods are good once in a while, but not all the time. Today, it is hot dogs that I've been hungry for so will test them to see how they measure up. It is interesting when you find that the foods you missed when "dieting" were probably missed just because the were "forbidden" on a diet.

carolr I went through a time when I just had to have chocolate chip cookies. I bought a bag and got tired of them before they were finished. Now I hesitate to buy things like that because I end up not wanting it like I thought I would. Like you, I'm learning that I like the healthier foods more than the "play" foods. But I am in a stage of learning what I really like and what I don't so it all depends on how I feel about it when I get to the store to buy it. Sometimes I get to the item and look at it and then say "I don't want that" and walk away without it. It is a whole 'New" experience for me.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!

carolr3639
08-01-2009, 12:12 PM
flmom23, hunger feels different to different people. You'll figure it out. Patty, sounds like you are figuring it out. After all these years it's kind of a neat feeling. My hubby got me a new side by side frig. I have wanted one for a long time but his mom didn't like hers so he never would buy one. After 40 yr. of marriage he gave in. ha! Praise the Lord! I ordered a dress for my son's wedding Aug 21st but is was a little tight. When I looked at the website that night the size I needed was there. Whew. I considered going on a drastic diet to fit into the first one and am I ever thankful that it is not needed. Not that I could do that anymore.

chavwright
08-01-2009, 12:54 PM
Hello, all,
My name is Chavonne and I was wondering if I could join this thread. A few days ago, I woke up and realized that, even if I lost the weight I hope to lose, I don't want to be obsessively watching what I eat for the rest of my life. I've heard about IE before and am really intrigued. The idea of not being a slave to my scale sounds like a miracle. I bought Intuitive Eating (the book) this morning and plan to read it as soon as possible. I'm terrified by the idea of not dieting because I've been doing so for most of my life! I would appreciate any and all support and tips. Thanks!

pattygirl63
08-01-2009, 02:57 PM
Hello, all,
My name is Chavonne and I was wondering if I could join this thread. A few days ago, I woke up and realized that, even if I lost the weight I hope to lose, I don't want to be obsessively watching what I eat for the rest of my life. I've heard about IE before and am really intrigued. The idea of not being a slave to my scale sounds like a miracle. I bought Intuitive Eating (the book) this morning and plan to read it as soon as possible. I'm terrified by the idea of not dieting because I've been doing so for most of my life! I would appreciate any and all support and tips. Thanks!

HiChavonne:welcome3: to the thread. We are glad you are here. Just jump in and ask any questions. Hopefully someone will be able help find the answers for you. We all understand your fears as well as we have all been there and had them. I still battle with it at times. I am 66 yrs old this month and have dieted for most of 46 of those years. I think the hardest thing for me was giving up "diet" thinking. In fact I tried IE before and the biggest fear I had and still do sometimes is that I would gain too much weight while getting back to eating normal. I finally decided that I have to give this a chance since I was gaining weight any way from the dieting. At least with IE, I have a chance to lose. My advice would be give it a good chance and don't expect "overnight" changes as IE is a slower process. From what I've read, it is worth it. Good luck with your journey.

carolr-Glad you finally got the refrig you wanted. DH doesn't like ours, but I do except I wish I had gotten white instead of silver which was the in thing when we bought it. I hate trying to keep it clean and we don't have kids little hands on it all thetime. I know you are glad you don't have to do a "diet". You've come so far with IE. Haven't told you lately, but thanks for being an inspiration to the rest of us.

pattygirl63
08-01-2009, 03:02 PM
flmom I read today in the book that if you have a difficult time recognizing true hunger to ask yourself how long it has been since you ate last. They recommend not going more than 4 or 5 hours without eating while eating. It seems that the liver dumps carbs every 3 hours and needs to be replenished every 5 hours. This must be true since I read something similar by another dietician's diet book.

Hope this helps.

carolr3639
08-01-2009, 09:03 PM
Thanks, Patty. Actually they make a nonfingerprint stainless steel now. That's what I got. Not sure what is is called but you get the idea. ha!

Bootsie
08-02-2009, 01:53 AM
Hi girls my two mile walks are getting painful, I have blisters on the bottom of my feet, any suggestions on how to get rid of them! Never had them on the bottom of my feet!

flmom23
08-02-2009, 09:33 AM
I think it is about learning the biological signals and that takes time. It will come just give yourself time. If you are like me, you have learned all these "diet" rules of when and how to eat so that you haven't had to listen to when your body is hungry. Now you are having to learn to stop the rules and listen to when your body says it is hungry.

I'll learn....although sometimes I think that my body isn't on speaking terms with me! ;)

flmom23, hunger feels different to different people. You'll figure it out.

I considered going on a drastic diet to fit into the first one and am I ever thankful that it is not needed. Not that I could do that anymore.

You know I think I have a couple of different kinds of hunger signals....trying to sort that out.

Congrats on finding the dress! One less thing to stress over! :D

flmom I read today in the book that if you have a difficult time recognizing true hunger to ask yourself how long it has been since you ate last. They recommend not going more than 4 or 5 hours without eating while eating.

My Dad is a diabetic and that's what they tell him to do. It keeps your blood sugar stable (and makes you not get so hungry!) It think it's a pretty good idea.

Here's what I've figured out so far:

1. I tend to do other things while I eat, so I don't even register the taste of the food most of the time. I'm trying to pay attention and enjoy my food now.

2. I don't eat often enough. I'm much happier as a grazer....little bits all day long instead of big meals.

That's it so far...I'm off to the store. I've been wanting this salad I used to eat all the time. It's soooo good, although it sounds odd. It's lettuce and/or spinach topped with sliced red onion, dried cranberries and goat cheese. Then I use raspberry viniagrette. I had this in a hotel once and used to make it all the time, but I haven't done it for ages. :hungry:

Betsy

JulieJ08
08-02-2009, 12:00 PM
Bootsie, new shoes? New socks?

I don't know. Excellent fit is the most important thing.

pattygirl63
08-02-2009, 03:38 PM
I'll learn....although sometimes I think that my body isn't on speaking terms with me! ;)
You know I think I have a couple of different kinds of hunger signals....trying to sort that out.
Here's what I've figured out so far:
1. I tend to do other things while I eat, so I don't even register the taste of the food most of the time. I'm trying to pay attention and enjoy my food now.
2. I don't eat often enough. I'm much happier as a grazer....little bits all day long instead of big meals.
That's it so far...I'm off to the store. I've been wanting this salad I used to eat all the time. It's soooo good, although it sounds odd. It's lettuce and/or spinach topped with sliced red onion, dried cranberries and goat cheese. Then I use raspberry viniagrette. I had this in a hotel once and used to make it all the time, but I haven't done it for ages. :hungry:
Betsy

Betsy I know some of my signals are times when I watch certain things on television and I am trying to break those habits. I do multi-task sometimes even when eating, but trying to break the habit of eating by outward signals.

Again while reading the book yesterday, I learned that I am a grazer too and according to IE... that not only is okay; it is also good for my metabolism. I used to say when previous hubby was living, "I could lose weight if I didn't feel like I had to eat 3 meals a day. I seem to like eating little snacks rather than big meals. For one thing, I like the way it makes me feel.

I love raspberry viviagrette. Never thought of putting dried cranberries in a lettuce/spinach salad. That sounds great. I'll have to try that. Isn't it fun learning that we can eat the foods we like. I'm still learning what I really like and what I don't. I love fruit sometimes with yogurt for breakfast and we had hot dogs yesterday and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I've even got DH telling me what he prefers to eat and doesn't. We are kind of discovering our food likes/dislikes together although he doesn't have a weight problem. I used to try to get him to eat more and eat healtheir. Now I am trying to help him learn to eat more Intuitively with his body. I think we will both feel better.

Bootsie - sorry about the blisters. Hope you are feeling better soon.

Carolr - I think someone told us you had to be sure to get the right stainless steel after we ordered ours on line and the builder got it and put in the house before we moved in. I bought the cleaner made for cleaning and I also made me some lemon water someone told me about... the special cleaner does not work. The lemon water isn't great but works better than anything I've found so far.

Julie, Blue and Everyone else:wave: Hope everyone is having a great Sunday.

Bootsie
08-02-2009, 03:59 PM
I think it was my shoes but i think I must of burned rubber the other morning. It started raining and we were coming up a hill and we learned if you come up it like a dog trots, sorta like a sideway dance that is so easier. Well it started to rain on us! Yeah! But we kinda put the metal to the petal so to say the rest of the way home and got soaked . Rained 2 tenths, I put some Lanacane on my foot and that seems to be really helping.
Will have to go to a bookstore in Marble to get the book Amazon won't let me send a check like I used to , want it all on line.

chavwright
08-02-2009, 05:09 PM
I was wondering how, for those that read the IE book, you all worked through the principles. I was thinking of reading the book straight through then going back through each principle slowly (2-4 weeks each). What did you all do? Thanks!

Nicki Anderson
08-02-2009, 05:31 PM
I will often tell people to watch children. You know how they'll sit down to eat, take two bites and claim, "I'm done!" They naturally stop when they are no longer hungry. It isn't until they are taught to eat until full that they forget to listen to their body and they listen to the voice saying, "Finish your plate! Somewhere people are starving!"

flmom23
08-02-2009, 05:40 PM
I will often tell people to watch children. You know how they'll sit down to eat, take two bites and claim, "I'm done!" They naturally stop when they are no longer hungry. It isn't until they are taught to eat until full that they forget to listen to their body and they listen to the voice saying, "Finish your plate! Somewhere people are starving!"

This is so true! I have a 13 year-old daughter who is 5'4" and weighs about 85 pounds. She is tiny! She knows exactly how much food she needs and I will not mess with that. She'll eat one piece of pizza and I'll ask if she wants another and she'll say "no...I've had enough". All of my kids are like this and it makes hubby nuts. He's always wanting them to come back to "finish their plate", but they seem to have a good relationship with food (willingly eat fruits and veggies....although I wish they were more adventurous in general) and I don't want to screw that up for them as adults. I dearly wish I had the same instincts.

flmom23
08-02-2009, 05:52 PM
I think it was my shoes but i think I must of burned rubber the other morning. It started raining and we were coming up a hill and we learned if you come up it like a dog trots, sorta like a sideway dance that is so easier. Well it started to rain on us! Yeah! But we kinda put the metal to the petal so to say the rest of the way home and got soaked . Rained 2 tenths, I put some Lanacane on my foot and that seems to be really helping.
Will have to go to a bookstore in Marble to get the book Amazon won't let me send a check like I used to , want it all on line.

Back in my pre-mommy life I used to sell shoes. I don't remember much about the fit of athletic shoes, but what I will say is that they should never give you blisters on your heel. Sounds like perhaps they're too wide in the heel for you. If it keeps happening, get thee to a running store and have one of those folks fit you. Take your old shoes with you and tell them where the blisters happen and they'll help. I have a friend who does this for a living and she's fantastic. Every shoe brand is different (see...I remembered one more thing!) and they all fit differently, so perhaps you need a more narrow shoe. Until then, possibly wearing thicker socks might help. Good luck! I aspire to be a runner. :^:

Bootsie
08-02-2009, 09:28 PM
Thanks flmom23, these are Walmart walking shoes and it is on the bottom of my feet. I could understand on my heal but the bottom that is why I just dont understand why on the bottom. I been wearing my hiking boots and feet feel just fine till I take them off. The blisters are almost gone just sore.

mamaduck
08-03-2009, 09:56 AM
Hello everyone!
Bootsie suggested I come here to post with you all. I ordered the IE book just now and am anxious to get started. Right now, I'm going to go to the track before it gets too hot. I'll BBL. ♥

carolr3639
08-03-2009, 10:04 AM
Welcome, Mamaduck and all newcomers. Let us know how your IE journey is going.

pattygirl63
08-03-2009, 02:06 PM
:wave:Hi Everybody,

:welcome: Mamaduck as well as any other Newbies lurking or that I've missed. Looking forward to getting to know you and sharing our journey together. So let us know how your IE journey is going.

A quick one today. Didn't read any of book this weekend so doing that today. I am enjoying learning what I truly like. Trying whole wheat mac and cheese today.

I think someone asked about doing Principles. I read the book through before and now I'm going through the book much slower doing the Principles more consciously and at whatever pace I need.

Have a great day everybody.

chavwright
08-03-2009, 03:13 PM
Hello, all,
I just wanted to say that I've made the decision to leave 3FC. Since beginning IE, I feel that I can't use a forum that has the word "diet" in it. I wish you all the best!

flmom23
08-03-2009, 08:16 PM
Just out of curiosity....do any of you ladies identify yourself as having had an eating disorder...or being close? I'm just interested in how many of you have done it all and see this as a sort of "recover". I'm definitely one of these. I almost feel like I'm learning to breathe again. I've been reading on some other IE websites and forums and I'm fascinated by how many recovering eating disorder survivors there are.

Blue Serenity
08-03-2009, 08:51 PM
Just out of curiosity....do any of you ladies identify yourself as having had an eating disorder...or being close? I'm just interested in how many of you have done it all and see this as a sort of "recover". I'm definitely one of these. I almost feel like I'm learning to breathe again. I've been reading on some other IE websites and forums and I'm fascinated by how many recovering eating disorder survivors there are.

Hi flmom23 and everyone! :wave:

I would definitely say that I've been living with an eating disorder. And I think that the proof is in my size, what the scale says, how I feel about myself, and the hoops I've jumped thru trying to change all of that. Binging and starving and counting every morsel of food one puts in their face is not normal! Yes, absolutely, I think I am on the path to recovery with IE. And that being the case, I expect to fall into old habits from time to time (after all, can't quit eating cold turkey! lol) Slow but steady wins the race!

carolr3639
08-04-2009, 12:49 PM
More company coming Fri. Seems all I do lately is change beds....and computer. ha!

JulieJ08
08-04-2009, 01:10 PM
Hello, all,
I just wanted to say that I've made the decision to leave 3FC. Since beginning IE, I feel that I can't use a forum that has the word "diet" in it. I wish you all the best!

chavwright, in case you pass through and see this, I wish you all the best!

JulieJ08
08-04-2009, 01:16 PM
Just out of curiosity....do any of you ladies identify yourself as having had an eating disorder...or being close? I'm just interested in how many of you have done it all and see this as a sort of "recover". I'm definitely one of these. I almost feel like I'm learning to breathe again. I've been reading on some other IE websites and forums and I'm fascinated by how many recovering eating disorder survivors there are.

I never had an eating disorder. I'd certainly say I had a problem with eating, and still do to a much lesser extent, but not an eating disorder per se. But I do very much see it as a recovery - not from an ED, but from the crazy society we live in!

There are a number of 3FC's who have mentioned their eating disorders, and I find it SO inspiring the ways they've changed. It gives me a lot of hope.

I am very thankful I had no eating or weight issues growing up (other than thinking the SAD was "normal" or even healthy). I think my eating issues came more secondary to emotional / psychological issues as an adult. It was both a coping mechanism for tremendous stress, and also a symptom of the self-regulation I never learned growing up.

flmom23
08-04-2009, 03:36 PM
Are any of you ladies over on the through thick and thin forum? Sorry....I can't post the link because I'm too new...

It's a nice one....lots of good information.

Ok, my issue for today is this....because of our schedule today, I have a very narrow window to eat dinner. I'm trying to wait to eat meals until I'm hungry...but what if I'm not? Is it better to eat when you're not hungry, or to wait a few hours until I'm really really hungry?

JulieJ08
08-04-2009, 05:13 PM
In the book she addresses this. It's just part of life that you make some compromises. One of them being, when you can only eat at a certain time (or else have to wait until you're beyond starving), just go ahead and have a light meal and don't worry about it.

carolr3639
08-04-2009, 06:00 PM
I agree Julie. Today I had to clean my room and rather than stop in the middle I ate before I started cleaning even though I wasn't quite as hungry as usual. I think I've been on the thick or thin forum but I stick to this one ......too many gets me bogged down and I can't remember where I said what. Now that was quite a sentence!

pattygirl63
08-04-2009, 07:31 PM
flmom23 - I'm on through thick and thin, but I don't post on it much any more. They have a lot of good information. I took advantage of reading everything that was there for us. So take the time to read it. I also was able to get a lot of information by writing Shannon and asking her about things I had trouble with. I prefer this thread here at 3fc as far as posting and support. I only use through thick and thin for reading.

My issue today is that I have been fighting the "diet" mentality which has been trying to convince me that I need to be on diet. I'm hanging in here, but I have had the continuing thought all day that I should be following some kind of diet plan. I am also getting bored with the thought of what to eat. Nothing sounds really good right now.

Blue Serenity
08-05-2009, 10:43 AM
Hi everyone! :wave:

Yesterday was pretty strange for me as far as eating goes. I was really down in the dumps and didn't really care what I ate. Interestingly, I found myself eating chicken and a brownie for breakfast, cookies on a whim, cup-o-noodles for lunch, freetos for the heck of it, green beans and smoked sausage for dinner and even ice cream and popcorn for an evening snack. Probably a heavy calorie day, but I didn't care, I felt totally satisfied with what I ate. (I've been known to eat some strange foods for breakfast, but not brownies!) But since I was in one of my "I-don't-care" moods whatever appealed to me was what I grabbed.

Just to analyze a bit ... today I'm looking back over my list thinking "Wow! I ate a lot, I need to get a grip on myself." But on taking a closer look, I never ate past full. Everything (except dinner) I ate because I was feeling hungry. And dinner wasn't very much. But I even went to bed hungry late last night. Normally the food police would have been criticizing me about what I ate and when I ate it (and how much). But because I just didn't care, I did have permission to eat. And imagine this ... I felt satisfied. lol Maybe to really get this total permission to eat thing to work we need to eat like kids again ... literally! I think someone mentioned watching kids eat a few posts back and yes, I have noticed this too, they self-regulate if allowed to. I know I won't want brownies for breakfast everyday, so why not just allow it anytime of day. Why do I have to eat brownies only for a snack (and after I've had my "nutritious" meal)? What if the pick-me-up I needed to get me thru the morning came from that brownie that just sounded so good at the moment? Had I ignored it for the sake of eating a healthier choice ... perhaps I still would have been craving and would have found myself in binge mode? Who knows?

Well, anyways, all of that just to say I think I've learned something from this experience. When I started IE I did an experiment where I went out and bought all my favorite foods to give myself permission to eat them as I so desired. But in that experiment, I don't think I gave myself permission to eat candy for breakfast. I think I still had rules about what should be eaten when. You know, 3 meals a day with snacks as needed. But when I think about it, back when I was in my late teens and early 20s I didn't eat breakfast. I usually would get hungry around lunch time and can remember eating one of my favorite foods at the time ... canned vegetable soup mixed with cooked white rice. lol And I can even remember when I was working one particular job I would run out for lunch (don't remember if I ate breakfast then or not) and I would grab a diet pepsi and a bag of smartfood popcorn. That was lunch. Or there was another time in my life that I would have a diet pepsi and a package of peanutbutter & cheese crackers for lunch. At those times in my life bingeing never happened. Guilt never happened. I just ate what I liked ... and was at my ideal weight. A lot has changed tho over the years.

Well anyways, I ran on again, just reflecting on some things ... this time I'm done!

Have a great one! :sunny:

carolr3639
08-05-2009, 11:35 AM
I'm there today, too, Blue. I have been sitting at the computer eating Back to Nature crackers mindlessly because my back hurts, I'm recovering from a sore throat, my gouty toes are hurting and the air conditioning guy can't get a part. This is the first time we've had central air......that is if we get it before winter. And it is supposed to be in the 90's Sat. Ugh. Actually I'm putting off cleaning. Why do I do this? Oh, and company is coming again Fri. Life goes on, right and we have lived without central air for 40 yr. of married life. Now if I can just get back to hunger. ha!

Bootsie
08-05-2009, 01:30 PM
I am Julie and just love it there but love it here too! Learning a-lot from both, making new friends is the best part!

I finished off my sirloin steak last night. It was 1/2 steak and it just filled me up quick.

A wasp got tasty this morning and got me on my finger and i sure am sleepy but not hungry and have to fix David some dinner, guess I best go. All have a great day and Carol I know what is to live with out air but it is not easy, get your fans going and forget that food drink plenty water before that food makes you sick in this heat, if its as hot as Texas!

pattygirl63
08-05-2009, 01:35 PM
Blue Thanks for sharing your experience. A lot of "food for thought" there to chew on. lol I can remember times like that when I was thin as well.

Carolr Hope you get to feeling better and get the AC working soon as well.

I got up this morning and wanted eggs, sausage and toast. I've done low carb for so long that my first thought was "Oh, that bread is fiber not low carb so I can't have that!" (Isn't it interesting that today I start reading Chapter 8 Principle #4 titled "Challenge the Food Police".) I caught myself and said out loud "Oh yes I can have the toast if I want it" and I did.

Mentioned on an IE thread on another website that I was bored with trying to figure out what I wanted to eat. One of the girls on there made an interesting statement. She said that when we stop "dieting" we don't know what to eat because we have no forbidden foods to crave any more. I believe that is so true. I also find that since I'm not on a diet and don't have to write down, plan, and/or count every bite I eat that I have a lot more time on my hands to do other things.

BTW the other site is www.lowcarbfriends.com if you want to check it out. I think IErs have more time for other things so we don't post as much as dieters do so while his is still my favorite IE place, I find the other places have good info too.

Everybody have a nice day.

carolr3639
08-06-2009, 10:08 AM
A little advice from Beyond Chocolate.

We wait for it all year, we long for the sunshine, the blue skies and the warm breeze on our skin. We plan holidays and picnics and seek out the pubs with the best gardens. We get out the t-shirts and the shorts and the sandals. Summer is upon us... rejoice!

Or not?

For many women, summertime can be fraught with unease, anxiety and embarrassment.

Alison has planned an all inclusive holiday but she's terrified she'll put on loads of weight - she just can't trust herself around all the yummy food which is there just waiting to be eaten.

Beth hates having to bare her arms and legs. It's a daily battle having to choose between feeling hot and sweaty or hiding the arm wings and flabby thighs she hates so much.

Cynthia cringes every time she gets invited to a barbeque. She spends most of her time wondering if other people are counting how many sausages she's got on her plate while she beats herself up for being too weak to opt for the salad.

Dawn is dreading the family get together this year. Her sister in law looks so good in a bikini and she always feels fat and frumpy next to her. She wishes she didn't care and had the confidence to wear a bikini but she hates her belly and ends up spending the day hidden under a t-shirt.

Eleanor buys ice cream and tells herself they are for the kids, but ends up standing in front of the freezer eating it out of the tub with a spoon and then she feels sick and guilty when there's none left.

TRY THIS

For picnics, barbeques and all you can eat buffets: Take a good look at the food on offer and tune in. How hungry are you? What type of food do you really fancy? Select what you are going to eat, choose carefully - you can always go back for more if you're still hungry. If possible, find somewhere quiet to sit, with people whose company you enjoy. Eat mindfully, focus on the food and savour each little delicacy! Tune in often and STOP when you're satisfied.

For those summer and holiday treats you just can't resist: Whether it's ice cream, a bag of hot, crunchy chips or those glorious, sticky ribs with BBQ sauce - if you tell yourself you shouldn't be having them and then beat yourself up for having them anyway it's a no win situation. How about having whatever it is as your meal rather than a treat? Wait until you are hungry and have some. The next time you are hungry, have it again. By giving yourself full permission to have these foods when you are hungry for them instead of sneaking them when you're not, you'll soon find they become like any other food. And then you'll be able to make a real choice rather than feeling compelled to eat them.

For the bikini crisis: Or is it shorts? Or tank tops? Do you spend most of the summer sweating in clothes that cover you up while wishing you could feel more comfortable or fashionable or fresh? We imagine that others are scrutinising and judging our bodies - but in reality we are our own worst enemies and this is what holds us back. Pick a day when you pay special attention to the way you talk to yourself about your body. Notice what you say about the bits you don't like, focus on catching those nasty, demeaning comments and tune in to how it feels to beat yourself up this way. Is there any way you can find something kinder to say?

Blue Serenity
08-06-2009, 11:35 AM
For those summer and holiday treats you just can't resist: Whether it's ice cream, a bag of hot, crunchy chips or those glorious, sticky ribs with BBQ sauce - if you tell yourself you shouldn't be having them and then beat yourself up for having them anyway it's a no win situation. How about having whatever it is as your meal rather than a treat? Wait until you are hungry and have some. The next time you are hungry, have it again. By giving yourself full permission to have these foods when you are hungry for them instead of sneaking them when you're not, you'll soon find they become like any other food. And then you'll be able to make a real choice rather than feeling compelled to eat them.


...... and a brownie for breakfast ...... I know I won't want brownies for breakfast everyday, so why not just allow it anytime of day. Why do I have to eat brownies only for a snack (and after I've had my "nutritious" meal)? What if the pick-me-up I needed to get me thru the morning came from that brownie that just sounded so good at the moment? Had I ignored it for the sake of eating a healthier choice ... perhaps I still would have been craving and would have found myself in binge mode? Who knows?



BINGO!!!



.

Blue Serenity
08-06-2009, 11:42 AM
You know, this makes me wonder ... there's a diner I love to go that's about an hour away, so it's usually a treat for us to eat there. First of all they have awesome meals and a huge menu but secondly, they have a bakery window loaded with the most sinful looking desserts that I am always way too full to try (but would love to). Meals are huge portions, can hardly ever finish a plate, usually get leftovers to go, so I never get to try the desserts that look so very yummy. I just wonder if a trip is in order. I always joke around saying "we ought to just skip dinner and go straight for dessert" ... why not?

pattygirl63
08-06-2009, 01:52 PM
Hi Everyone,

I almost caved in to the "diet mentality" yesterday. Even got an old book out to look at the plan again. As I look at the diet plan, I realized that I would not make it through Step 1.

Then I started reading IE Chapter 8 Principle 4 "Challenge the Food Police". I figure I am right on time for this chapter. I decided to stick to my commitment to IE and just trust it. So I am still doing IE.

I am doing the affirmation thing that I learned from the Beck diet book which teaches to make Response cards that you read everyday. So I took my cards and made them to fit IE thinking and started reading them today. I feel like I'm back on top of things again and more encouraged about what I'm doing.

I see there's lots of reading to do here so I'll come back in a bit and read and catch up with y'all.

pattygirl63
08-06-2009, 02:03 PM
You know, this makes me wonder ... there's a diner I love to go that's about an hour away, so it's usually a treat for us to eat there. First of all they have awesome meals and a huge menu but secondly, they have a bakery window loaded with the most sinful looking desserts that I am always way too full to try (but would love to). Meals are huge portions, can hardly ever finish a plate, usually get leftovers to go, so I never get to try the desserts that look so very yummy. I just wonder if a trip is in order. I always joke around saying "we ought to just skip dinner and go straight for dessert" ... why not?

Blue - I agree. WHY NOT?

Carolr - Again thanks for the article. You always find such good stuff there at Beyond chocolate. I must be looking in the wrong places.

Blue Serenity
08-06-2009, 04:17 PM
I almost caved in to the "diet mentality" yesterday.

Trish, what do you suppose causes you to go into diet mentality? Are there triggers? Like maybe walking past a mirror or getting frustrated with the scale, feeling out of control around food? Maybe if you focus on recognizing any triggers that cause you to think about turning to a diet and recognize that they are triggers and find a way to deal with them so that they do not blindside you? Just thinking out loud here, and hoping maybe it will help you because it seems this is an area that you have trouble with. :hug:

Bootsie
08-06-2009, 11:33 PM
What do you do for exercise and what do you enjoy about it?

I walk with my friend 5 days a week but so far its been 3 days a week. We thought we was walking 2 miles a day, that is what my late friend Lorretta had measured out, but it is 3 Miles! Measured it today!

I like visiting with my friend and walking to keep my body,mind and soul healthy
I also love the flowers along the way [even though there has been no rain to brag about] that God planted along the way, sorta like saying to us," Good Morning Girls!"

flmom23
08-07-2009, 08:31 AM
Good Morning ladies! Just stopping by to say hello. I've been studying for a certification exam I wanted to take and took that yesterday so whoo-hoo....no more studying. I'm looking forward to having more time to read and think and exercise and get in touch with myself. We're headed off on vacation in a couple of days and that means 1000 miles in the car both ways. Ugh. Not fun.

Blue Serenity
08-07-2009, 11:59 AM
What do you do for exercise and what do you enjoy about it?

Hi Bootsie. Not much these days. I had been walking on the treadmill quite a bit until it got sluggish and I tried to grease it up with all kinds of stuff that seems to have made it worse! (it's a manual one) Also, occasionally do lots of walking outdoors around town enjoying the scenery. Bought a mini trampoline a while back to try to get some exercise on but that thing hurts my knees. May have to ease back into that someday when I lose some weight (perhaps follow the routine that came with it instead of doing my own thing, seems to be less impact).

Good Morning ladies! Just stopping by to say hello. I've been studying for a certification exam I wanted to take and took that yesterday so whoo-hoo....no more studying. I'm looking forward to having more time to read and think and exercise and get in touch with myself. We're headed off on vacation in a couple of days and that means 1000 miles in the car both ways. Ugh. Not fun.

Best wishes for your certification, flmom23! I hear you about the long car trip! We got that out of the way earlier this summer, whew! But we've been doing a couple of shorter trips, too. Still lots of sitting time each way (about 7-8 hours.) I like the sight-seeing, tho. If we don't see you again soon, enjoy your trip!

I'm doing OK. Yesterday I think I ate too much (what's new?) lol! I think I just lose focus too easily. Still in subconscious "diet mode." I keep telling myself "I'll be good tomorrow." But then tomorrow comes and I'm not putting myself on a diet, but it's almost like I have to engage in that "last supper" eating as if I'll be going on a diet, even tho I KNOW I'm not getting on one. I guess I still don't trust myself with food. Started re-reading the book over the weekend, haven't picked it up since, need to get back at it. Perhaps check out some more IE web sites for more inspiration. I love the Beyond Chocolate articles Carol posts! Maybe daily doses of IE reminders like that will help me stay focused and get me out of diet fog. Think I'll go hunting for IE sites and make a special bookmark folder for just those.

Trish, how are you?

Have a great one everyone! :sunny:

JulieJ08
08-07-2009, 12:51 PM
What do you do for exercise and what do you enjoy about it?

I do yoga. It's a pretty good workout. Takes an hour to an hour and a half. I had wanted to do it for a long time, and picked it up in earnest when I started losing weight last year. Then this year I got off track and wasn't exercising - but I've done my yoga daily for the past two weeks and my body is starting to thank me for it. I'm stiff and have more pains without it. And it's a good strengthener. I always intended to do not just the exercise part of it, but work on the breathing and meditation too - but never did! I didn't feel bad about that, as I was making *so* many other changes in my life. But now I'm trying to keep my focus on my breath while doing my yoga, instead of letting my mind go helter skelter. It's amazing how *hard* that is to do.

I like it because it does amazing things for your relationship with your body. Because I was very inflexible before and now I'm not :). Because it makes me strong. Because I can do it anywhere (almost). Because I get a mental and spiritual practice all at the same time.

I was running last year too - that's a little harder to pick up again, but I liked what it was doing for me, so I haven't given up on it yet. But it's so hot! And my knee makes me work into it *very* slowly. I'm telling myself I need to do my yoga for say a month first, to strengthen my knees and ankles first :). We'll see.

I like running because it makes me feel so *able* to know I could run 3 miles if I wanted to. Because I tend to get shin splints and knee and hip pains, even when walking, if I don't keep up a regular running practice. Because being a runner makes me feel cool :cool:. Because it makes me sleep better. And because getting up and running before dawn is an amazing feeling.

Blue Serenity
08-07-2009, 01:01 PM
Hi again! :wave:

This sure was a timely find for me. Thanks Google. :) For anybody out there struggling with IE (like me), you might want to take a look at this article, some very helpful advice that I'm taking to heart.

NOTE: IE discourages the use of scales and body image to get the process to become natural, HOWEVER, the blogger makes a very good point FOR the use of a scale or other measuring device. More commentary after the article ...

From Intuitive Eating 2.0 (http://fitnessformommies.net/2009/06/12/protein-fit-mommy-fitness-for-mommies-eating-food-healthy-eating-protein-poweder/).

Well, it took like 25 years of trial and error, but I am a happy eater. I follow no rules. I count no calories. Iím completely over nutrient ratios, meal timing and measuring cups. Plus, as an added bonus, Iím not fat. Any time Iíve flirted with this ďintuitive eatingĒ stuff before, Iíve quickly become too fat for my little pants. This time Iím gradually losing. Iím 5′8″ and weigh 135-137 most days. I donít know my percentage of body fat. Itís possible that Iím losing muscle and brains. Iím not concerned enough to get out the calipers. My Tanita scale tells me that Iím between 14% and 24% body fat. Helpful, eh? Itís like asking a Magic 8 Ball. The readout may as well say ďConcentrate and ask again.Ē Or ďSigns point to yes.Ē All I know is that my yoga pants are loose! Woohoo!

So, why did intuitive eating work this time when itís destroyed my abs so many times before? Iíve been trying to figure that out. I know that in the past Iíve used intuitive eating as an excuse to binge. Iíd turn to it after a bout of really restrictive dieting, or when I couldnít face my nutrition software, or when I wasnít accountable to a trainer. My ďintuitionĒ would tell me to eat boxes of glazed donuts and sheets of cookies. Iíd gain weight, scoff at the total lameness of this ďembrace your inner cowĒ intuitive hoody-hoo, and go right back to obsessive dieting, tracking and measuring. I wrote down every single thing I ate or drank for TWO YEARS. That was not fun, and actually not helpful.

Iím more relaxed now. I donít make food decisions from a place of frustration and panic. My intuition really likes strawberries. I eat chocolate every day. I like bagels. I like to eat out. Iím not limiting myself to dieter food but Iím very aware of portions. I eat one Cadbury Egg, not six. I eat mini-bagels, not those bakery bagels the size of my head. I understand that a typical restaurant serving is enough to feed four people.

Last time I tried intuitive eating, portion control was my downfall. I believed those books that said to eat as many cookies as I wanted and that eventually I wouldnít want as many. Right!! Weeks later, I still wanted every cookie that had ever been baked. I was reeling out of control on a blood sugar rollercoaster. The more junk I ate, the more junk I wanted. I was never able to pull it together enough to even maintain my weight, much less lose.

Some things that really helped me this time:

- I weigh myself every day. If youíre not going to count calories or measure your food, youíd better be keeping an eye on something. It could be weight, waist measurement, a caliper pinch, a pair of jeans, but you need some kind of objective feedback. If you choose not to track your food and not to look at any of your measurements, then youíd better go buy some fat pants.

- I eat what I want but I always control portions. Generally, the more I want something, the more I need to watch out. I can play fast and loose with spinach but Iíd better take my ice cream in a single-serving container.

- I share. I never used to share before. Sharing is the greatest thing ever! You get to eat whatever you want and make everyone around you fat. Try it! Order the double-fudge super cookie dough caramel delight. Eat three bites and watch your dining companions devour the rest of it like hungry hyenas. Share your French fries. Split the sandwich. Order three tacos and only eat one of them. Itís exhilarating! Plus, I always have great leftovers.

- I strike a nice balance of healthy food and treats. You canít eat an all-treat diet and look or feel very good. I eat loads of fresh fruits and vegetables every day. I love whole grains. I eat nuts and seeds like Iím a squirrel. Iím a sucker for a big salad. I enjoy lean protein as long as itís not forced upon me every 2-3 hours. I eat a lot of healthy whole foods but I like to add a Pop Tart or Reeseís Peanut Butter Cup for good measure.

- I donít eat six times per day, or three times per day, or three meals and two snacks. I donít follow anybody elseís rules because how does the book or the calculator know what Iím doing or when Iím going to be hungry? It doesnít. So, I eat when I feel like it. On an active, hungry day I might eat 5-6 times. On a lazy day with restaurant food, I might eat 2-3 times. Iím no longer dumb enough try to force three more meals after lunch at The Cheesecake Factory.

- I grasp the importance of good nutrition. Iím not knocking diet plans or nutrition programs, especially if youíre trying to achieve a sports performance or body comp goal. A little bit of structure can be good. I base my eating on the healthy principles Iíve learned but I donít allow myself to become a slave to the details. And donít believe that I can eat as many cookies as I want and still lose weight. Big derrrr there!

- I flow. Thatís significant because I used to battle. I battled my weight. I struggled with willpower. I waged a war against fat. I fought with the numbers. I kicked myself when I slipped. My mindset was one big bloody massacre. My fitness goals were always at odds with what I really wanted, which was to relax and eat Cheetos. Now, if I want to relax and eat Cheetos, I do so immediately. No struggle. No stress. No guilt. I know that for my next meal Iíll choose something a little more ab-friendly.

The blue paragraph is me. This is where I'm finding myself now. And I totally agree with the scale thing. In the past I used the scale to measure my weight-loss. But perhaps a new view of the scale is in order. I agree that using it to make sure I'm NOT overeating consistently would be a great help. Had I been friends with my scale over the years instead of treating it as an instrument of doom, maybe I would have naturally put a cap on my overeating. But I didn't. I dreaded the scale and ignored it (between diets) and the result each time I'd step back on it would always be a weight gain. "How'd I get so fat?" I'm taking her advice here for sure, but now I'm not trying to see how much I lost this week, but make sure I'm not gaining over several weeks. (And if I do see a loss ... wonderful!) Refocusing here!

And portions! What can one say about portions that hasn't already been said?!? I have to agree with the blogger again totally! When I lost weight with a form of IE in the past I paid VERY close attention to my portions, something I definitely haven't been doing this time around. I love her advice about sharing the food! Love it!

OK, well I'm outta here for now. The tummy is growling, time for lunch!

JulieJ08
08-07-2009, 01:21 PM
Blue Serenity, I'd agree with a lot of what she said too.

Eating whole grains (and not refined grains), lots of veggies, plenty of fruits and nuts and avocado, and little sugar is what makes this *possible* for me. I don't get trying to eat intuitively of stuff that is *designed* to make you *always* *want* *more*. I couldn't do it. But, I can eat healthy foods without making myself go hungry, without counting every last morsel, without feeling guilty when I have dessert, without putting up with food that is so-so.

To some extent, it feels like IE just trades restricting calories for restricting eating when not hungry. I 100% believe that's a better deal, but it's not really any easier, at least at first. It is, however, much more rewarding for me.

Blue Serenity
08-07-2009, 01:50 PM
Blue Serenity, I'd agree with a lot of what she said too.

Eating whole grains (and not refined grains), lots of veggies, plenty of fruits and nuts and avocado, and little sugar is what makes this *possible* for me. I don't get trying to eat intuitively of stuff that is *designed* to make you *always* *want* *more*. I couldn't do it. But, I can eat healthy foods without making myself go hungry, without counting every last morsel, without feeling guilty when I have dessert, without putting up with food that is so-so.

To some extent, it feels like IE just trades restricting calories for restricting eating when not hungry. I 100% believe that's a better deal, but it's not really any easier, at least at first. It is, however, much more rewarding for me.

Hi Julie. Agreed. And I think the bottom line is we each, as individuals, need to find what works for us, that we can live with long-term. I've been reading some of the responses to this blog that are a tad negative and I started second guessing myself, whether I should have posted the article or not. But then I realized that we're all at different phases in this process of becoming intuitive eaters and while some detected "diet mentality" in the blogger's post, I have to stand firm on what I said earlier (about scales and portion control) because for me, at this time in my journey, I am needing this. I have not yet reached a point where I trust myself enough to just throw out everything and eat freely. I've done that and like the blogger I need(ed) fat pants! It helps to have something to aim for ... in my case, no steady gaining of weight and eating less than I am accustomed to. After all, "if you keep doing what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten." So, baby steps for me. I can't do this all in one bite. ;)

carolr3639
08-07-2009, 06:50 PM
Hey Blue, that was a great article. Everything in a nutshell. Julie, how did you learn yoga? I don't live anywhere near a gym so I would need a DVD. Thanks.

JulieJ08
08-07-2009, 07:45 PM
Carol, I don't know a DVD to recommend. I read lots of different books and read a lot on the internet!

pattygirl63
08-07-2009, 07:58 PM
Trish, what do you suppose causes you to go into diet mentality? Are there triggers? Like maybe walking past a mirror or getting frustrated with the scale, feeling out of control around food? Maybe if you focus on recognizing any triggers that cause you to think about turning to a diet and recognize that they are triggers and find a way to deal with them so that they do not blindside you? Just thinking out loud here, and hoping maybe it will help you because it seems this is an area that you have trouble with. :hug:

I'm not sure what triggered the "diet" thing. I think it is just part of the IE process. However, I took the idea of Response Cards and Advantage Deck from the Beck diet and made them according to IE principles etc and I have to admit that I am doing so much better with things. There seems to be something about reading those, especially the response cards that just puts me into a positive attitude about IE.

Thanks for the thought.

Bootsie
08-07-2009, 11:26 PM
Julie it is hot in Texas too and it is getting where I have to force myself to go walking I hate that hill!!! But thank God that he gives me the strength to walk it.We walked again 3 miles today but yesterday in total of walking back and forth to my husbands store I walked not just the 3 miles I walked 11 miles! I drinked a-lot of water and felt water logged last night. I walked a total of 10 miles today and yes I got another blister on my left foot but bought me some men running shoes today, they have a sole about 1 inch thick and feel comfy, also some good sunglasses.
Julie I am going to see if I can learn yoga , I have heard a-lot of people into it around here maybe I can get them to join in. Since it is so hot maybe this would be better for us.

I am so new at this and my book is getting in next Wed they say at the book store so I can learn this a-lot better but right now, I don't know if I can say the site but it has helped me a-lot. What you put on here Blue Serenity is a part like they are teaching us but to get rid of the scale or not to get rid of the scale, That is the question in all our minds. I would say if the scale stresses you out yes , if the scale helps you hey what ever works, do what you need to do for yourself, it is your body and you know what is best for it.
The scales do stress me out, I would rather go by the measuring tape, I just feel more comfortable knowing I am making some progress ,even if the scales say I am not! I had to laugh at my friend this morning she said, I found out how much old man Satan's toe weighed this morning, 2 pounds!

It is good to eat what I want but I am trying to make mine healthy choices and trying hard to listen to my body being full. That is the hardest part but think I am getting it down. Tonight I made a six layer bean dip in a small bowl, all fat free, it should last me a while but the Doritos broke my mouth out so I will have to use tortilla wraps instead. There is some kind of salt on the chips that I just really am allergic too. Knowing that I can have something if I want it is working on the binging part and just gotta have something, is it helping any of you?

pattygirl63
08-08-2009, 01:19 AM
Bootsie - I have gotten to the place to where I do not have any cravings or binges. I follow what someone called the 4GR(IE's 4 Golden Rules). 1. When you are hungry - Eat.
2. Eat what you want "not" what you think you should eat.
3. Eat slowly and savor every bite.
4. Stop when you think you are getting full.
Getting your book should help you a lot since it explains a lot for you. I read the book a while back and then got off and tried a diet for a few months. This time I am reading the book much slower and allowing the info and the Principles I'm doing slowly.

This is starting to come together for me.
I have to confess that I've not given up the scales. I did read in the book that you might gain at first, then level off and then the weight would begin to come off. I am at the place right now where I believe am leveling off as I gained about 11 lbs. Then I've lost 2 lbs and I've been at about the same weight now all this week. I'm not hungry as often as I used to be. I'm not eating sweets much any more. Haven't needed or wanted candy, cookies or anything like that now for 2 or 3 days. The voices she talks about in the book are beginning to kick in for me and I am learning what I think and feel.

Everybody have a great week end.

Blue Serenity
08-08-2009, 11:23 AM
I'm so glad this is getting easier for you Trish!

Just a funny thought ... how'd they know people would gain weight and then level off and then lose ... without a scale? lol I'm not that in-tune with my body to know what it's doing without a scale, every day feels bloated and fat, and some days bloated and fatter. lol (Trying to keep a sense of humor here.) ;)

Yeah, the scale thing is really personal, Bootsie. It doesn't really stress me out like it used to because I've accepted that I'm not gonna lose 2 pounds a week right now. Maybe somewhere down the road I'll be able to give it up, like when I actually know I'm making some kind of progress on this journey. For now, tho I'm gonna use it just to make sure I'm not steadily gaining.

I had joined a challenge on the 3FC board recently because I thought it would be the motivation I needed to "do" something to lose some weight, but backed out of it because I'm just not losing at a steady rate and don't want to have the high expectation to lose looming over my shoulder every day. Not good for learning to live IE.

Hello everyone else! Hope everybody is enjoying their weekend. :sunny:

pattygirl63
08-08-2009, 12:19 PM
I'm so glad this is getting easier for you Trish!

Just a funny thought ... how'd they know people would gain weight and then level off and then lose ... without a scale? lol I'm not that in-tune with my body to know what it's doing without a scale, every day feels bloated and fat, and some days bloated and fatter. lol (Trying to keep a sense of humor here.) ;)

Yeah, the scale thing is really personal, Bootsie. It doesn't really stress me out like it used to because I've accepted that I'm not gonna lose 2 pounds a week right now. Maybe somewhere down the road I'll be able to give it up, like when I actually know I'm making some kind of progress on this journey. For now, tho I'm gonna use it just to make sure I'm not steadily gaining.

I had joined a challenge on the 3FC board recently because I thought it would be the motivation I needed to "do" something to lose some weight, but backed out of it because I'm just not losing at a steady rate and don't want to have the high expectation to lose looming over my shoulder every day. Not good for learning to live IE.

Hello everyone else! Hope everybody is enjoying their weekend. :sunny:

Blue - They know some people, like me, won't or can't stay off the scales. I'm using a lot of the ideas and the skills that I learned in the Complete Beck Diet book (can't remember full name of book right now). I am one who likes to know what is going on so I decided to also use the idea of weighing daily and use a graph. I didn't think of it until today, but I made my graph this morning and made August 1st my start day. I was so excited to see that I had lost 4 lbs. I thought I had only lost 2 until I made the graph. However, while doing the daily graph, I also confirm daily on one of my Response Cards that I read everyday this little thing I got from the Beck book... "My weight is not who I am. It is not a measure of my worth. It is just a number that gives me imortant information." I also have this written on a 3X5 card taped to the mirror in my bathroom and say it several times a day.

I have begun to listen to the good voices IE says will help us. The Food Anthropologist and the Nurturer is really taking hold and working for me.


Bootsie wrote It is good to eat what I want but I am trying to make mine healthy choices and trying hard to listen to my body being full. That is the hardest part but think I am getting it down.

Bootsie - I too like to choose healthy foods for my health. I know health problems that run in my family and I like to eat foods that will help me ward off those things. When you get your book you will learn that as you learn to get rid of the Fool Police and the Nutrition Informant that you will develop the help of the Nutritiion Ally. From what I understand the Nutrition Informant becomes your Nutrition Ally when you let it work separate from the Food Police. What I understand this to mean is that you make healthy choices without any guilty. This means that you may make the choice not to eat a healthy food and you will not feel guilty about it. There are a lot of healthy foods I used to eat just because I thought I should eat them because they were healthy. As an Intuitive Eater, I have learne that some of those foods I like and some I don't like as much as I thought I did. Now I choose to eat the ones I like. For example, I ate oatmeal, fruit and yogurt with nuts because it was healthy. Now I eat oatmeal with blueberries, yogurt and nut because I like it. I choose not to change the fruit to something else because I don't want to. I believe that the Nutrition Ally along with the Food Anthropologist and Nurturer voices have helped me to learn that this what I love to eat for breakfast and that it is okay. No longer is it because it is a healthy "diet" food. It is just a food that I thoroughly enjoy eating. My explanation is long, but I hope it helps you until you get your book.

pattygirl63
08-08-2009, 01:25 PM
The blue paragraph is me. This is where I'm finding myself now. And I totally agree with the scale thing. In the past I used the scale to measure my weight-loss. But perhaps a new view of the scale is in order. I agree that using it to make sure I'm NOT overeating consistently would be a great help. Had I been friends with my scale over the years instead of treating it as an instrument of doom, maybe I would have naturally put a cap on my overeating. But I didn't. I dreaded the scale and ignored it (between diets) and the result each time I'd step back on it would always be a weight gain. "How'd I get so fat?" I'm taking her advice here for sure, but now I'm not trying to see how much I lost this week, but make sure I'm not gaining over several weeks. (And if I do see a loss ... wonderful!) Refocusing here!

And portions! What can one say about portions that hasn't already been said?!? I have to agree with the blogger again totally! When I lost weight with a form of IE in the past I paid VERY close attention to my portions, something I definitely haven't been doing this time around. I love her advice about sharing the food! Love it!

Blue - Thanks for this article. I copied it to my Journal for today. I've learned that I need the scale because in the past, when I stayed away from the scales it meant I was gaining. I have a new and better relationship with my scales.

On portions? I do weigh some things when necessary. Another thing that is working for me with portions is that sometimes when I am taste eating along with the biological eating that I want to eat more, but I'm not really hungry. I've learned to tell myself that I can have more later. I wait a few minutes or find something else to do and I usually forget about the food completely. If I find that I really do want some more then I give myself permission to eat it.

Julie - I find that eating the healthier foods you mention seems to stay with me longer and keeps me from being hungry. I don't have any cravings. In the IE book one of the authors, Elyse Resch says that she 10% of the foods eats is what she calls "Play" foods and no guilt when she does. The other 90% is healthy foods. That is pretty much my goal.

I think it is good to learn IE after dieting. I find that the healthy foods are what seems to win out because we have a knowledge of how good we feel when we eat healthy. It also helps to know that it is okay to eat the Play foods and not feel bad about it.

I am thrilled that other people can find diet programs that work for them. They didn't work for me any more. I am so thankful for learning about IE and that it works great for me. I found it about the time that my doctor told me to stop dieting because they don't work. I thought he was nuts and kept trying to lose with diets and I kept gaining. I finally a decided that I had to "really" give IE a chance to work for me. I thank God because I think God led me to this point with IE.

As Dr. Cherry on TBN used to say... Everyone has to find their own Path to health. IE is mine.

Y'all have a good day.

carolr3639
08-08-2009, 07:33 PM
Hi all. Hot here today. Lots of company again which means lots of cooking. I'm ok with that.

Blue Serenity
08-08-2009, 10:51 PM
I've learned to tell myself that I can have more later. I wait a few minutes or find something else to do and I usually forget about the food completely. If I find that I really do want some more then I give myself permission to eat it.

That's a very important part of IE. I've been known to "Last Supper" because I didn't do what you just said. We really do have to retrain our minds, don't we!

I found it about the time that my doctor told me to stop dieting because they don't work.

:eek: Whoa! That's unusual, but wonderful!

I have begun to listen to the good voices IE says will help us. The Food Anthropologist and the Nurturer is really taking hold and working for me.

I had forgotten all about all those positive voices! I really need to get back in this book!

Question for everyone: When you follow IE, do you ever feel like people are judging you for eating "normal" (as opposed to eating diet food or avoiding certain things)?

Not that it really matters what somebody thinks about me, but I often feel like people are thinking "Why is she eating that ... she really needs to be on a diet."

Hi Carol, hope you're enjoying your company!

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Bootsie
08-08-2009, 11:05 PM
Trish thanks for the advice . I do like the no fat things a-lot better than the other, they just seem to taste better to me. I have been feeling so much better health wise since I started this diet and been walking with my friend but I sure dread that hill every morning.

I do like bread but have been eating tortilla's because it concerned me that God told them not eat yeast in the old testament but I found out why. It took 3 or 4 hours for the bread to rise and he wanted them to be ready to go , when he said go and parted the water! So I will start eating bread again.Ha! I only got 4.5 miles in today.

pattygirl63
08-09-2009, 02:01 PM
Hi Ladies,

Yesterday I shared about me using the daily weight graph I learned to do from the Beck diet book. I am thrilled to report on what I have learned from doing this. Again, Blue Serenity thanks for that article you shared. It has really helped me relax with doing this.

When I came back to IE, I switched from a lowcarb diet that allowed me to eat whenever I was hungry and until satisfied, but I was allowed certain carbs every 5 hours and we had to count the carbs no more than 5 grams. I gained doing that just as the author warned us that we would. We were not to weigh for 8 weeks. I want to say that if I was going to diet that I would go back to that one. Any way I decided that if I was going to gain that I might as well give IE a chance. At least I could eat when I was hungry and have the carbs without Phases and/or Steps and no measuring and counting calories or carbs etc. I had started reading IE book again and read that you would gain at first, level off and then should start losing at a steady rate when your body knew it could trust you not to diet and starve it any more. So my weight gain was actually on the diet. I started my graph on August the 1st with the 8 lbs I had gained on the diet. This is when I switched to IE. Let me say here that I was really scared when I switched to IE. 6 years ago I had lost about 76 lbs. I had really struggled not to gain all that weight back and on August 1st, I was only 9 lbs away from doing just that. If I gained weight on IE, there was a good chance that I just might gain back those 9 lbs and more putting me be back where I started about 8 years ago. But I was desparate.

Ladies I've learned in 9 days that IE WORKS just like the book says it will.:carrot: Doing my graph shows that by the time I came back to IE that I was at my high weight. Thank God, I leveled off at that weight for 2 days. Then I lost 2 lbs and stayed there for 4 days and then yesterday dropped 2 lbs and 2 more today. Of course, that does not mean I'll lose 2 lbs a day or lose any weight everyday. There will be days when I will level for days while my body adjusts to what is going on. That is not the point to sharing this. The point is that IE WORKS.

Another thing I want to share is why the scales works for me. But 1st let me say that some people don't need the scales. In fact the scales may be dangerous for some people to use the scales as it blocks their success as it messes with their minds and eating. So I'm not saying everyone should use the scales. The lady on through think and thin thread NEVER weighs even when she goes to the doctor she refuses to be weighed. So it is one of those "what works for you" things. As for me, they are my helper. Here's why. As my body was adjusting to the IE way of eating, I felt heavy, bloated and "fat". There were times I just knew that I had eaten too much and as you know I struggled a few of those days with going back to the "diet" route. Reading the book, weighing and charting the graph helped me to stay committed to IE. I felt I had to give it a one full month chance. I think if I hadn't had the weight graph, I might not have stuck it out. Just my personality. I am so thrilled to say that this experiment with the graph has proved that IE works exactly like the book says it will. I can honestly say that No matter whether you choose to use the scales or not, you can trust the IE plan to work for you.

Also, let me add one thing about the article Blue shared. That person learned to do IE the way that it would work for her. IE is not a group of a lot of rules like "diets" have. From what I understand about IE is this. When done as intended, it will NOT be a bunch of do's and don't rules. It should be a way of eating that just "flows" naturally because we have learned to listen to our bodies and work with what is NORMAL for us individually.

Other than the headaches I've had since Friday, today I feel good weight wise. I don't have that heavy, bloated feeling. No cravings and hunger is really changing. Didn't eat as many times or as much yesterday. So I think my "normal" way eating is showing up. Those good voices are really helping as well as the Beck skills that I've incorported with IE.

carolr Enjoy your company.

Everybody else:wave:

Y'all have a good Sunday.

Bootsie
08-10-2009, 10:10 AM
Trish tell me some more about the Beck book, it sounds like I should get it also because it sounds like you can combine the Beck and the Intuitive Eating together and it works, right? Congratulations on your weight loss!
:carrot:Yeah Trish!!!!

pattygirl63
08-10-2009, 12:54 PM
Trish tell me some more about the Beck book, it sounds like I should get it also because it sounds like you can combine the Beck and the Intuitive Eating together and it works, right? Congratulations on your weight loss!
:carrot:Yeah Trish!!!!

Bootsie-I got The Complete Beck Diet for Life book when I bought mine. I ordered it from Amazon.com and I had only heard about it from a friend. I got it because it was the newest book. It has a suggested calorie diet in it. If I had known, I would have just gotten the earlier book which I thing is called The Beck Solution because I think having the diet in there threw me off of IE. When she wrote the new book she added a diet because some of her followers had asked for a diet. I understand that her original book was written to work along with any diet. She later noticed that she also has book Beck Solutions workbook. If I had it to do over and knew what I know now, I probably would have gotten that one. You can go to Amazon.com and see the different books she has and choose which one would work for you. I believe it has been a big help for me.

Fly by today ladies. Fighting sinus issues today. Meds make me feel tired.

Everybody have a great day.



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Bootsie
08-11-2009, 12:56 AM
Thanks Trish, I will check it out and see if our book store has it also. Hope you get to feeling better.

carolr3639
08-11-2009, 05:31 PM
Got my eyes tested today. I have cataracts but not too bad yet for which I am thankful. I hope I can make it 5 more years because I don't have insurance and maybe medicare will pay for it. I guess with IE you finally just kind of forget about what you eat. Lately it has been that way for me. Too much going on to think much about eating....except for those lovely garden tomatoes. We had a big Sun. dinner this past Sun. and for once in a long time it tasted really good to me. Don't now why. Maybe I was really hungry. ha!

pattygirl63
08-12-2009, 01:40 PM
Got my eyes tested today. I have cataracts but not too bad yet for which I am thankful. I hope I can make it 5 more years because I don't have insurance and maybe medicare will pay for it. I guess with IE you finally just kind of forget about what you eat. Lately it has been that way for me. Too much going on to think much about eating....except for those lovely garden tomatoes. We had a big Sun. dinner this past Sun. and for once in a long time it tasted really good to me. Don't now why. Maybe I was really hungry. ha!

Carol - When I saw the eye doctor years ago before we moved to SC, the doctor saw something on my eye that could be the start of someting. She told me to take Bilberry and to wear the sunglasses that come around on the side of the eys.. She felt it would help slow things down. I have done that every since she told me that 6 years ago. When I got my eyes check last year, the doctor said that I am one of the few people who has a mole on my eye and it was nothing to worry about. I forgot the ratio of people who has it but not uncommon. Any way, maybe the bilberry and the sunglasses will slow things down for you. I do it hoping I will never have cataracts.

carolr3639
08-12-2009, 06:14 PM
Thanks, Trish. I don't go out in the sun because of sarcoidosis and have taken bilberry and lutein for quite awhile. The only time I'm outside is right before sunset to work in the garden. That is a beautiful time of day. I guess sarcoidosis is a precursor for cataracts and glaucoma. I'm really thankful that I don't have glaucoma. My mom had macular degeneration and was nearly blind before she died at age 90. I can give the Lord all the glory because I have had this since I was 28 and am now 60 and get along fairly well. Plus we had 10 kids along the way that are a real joy. Next week our son is getting married. That leaves only the youngest girl not married.

pattygirl63
08-12-2009, 06:31 PM
Thanks, Trish. I don't go out in the sun because of sarcoidosis and have taken bilberry and lutein for quite awhile. The only time I'm outside is right before sunset to work in the garden. That is a beautiful time of day. I guess sarcoidosis is a precursor for cataracts and glaucoma. I'm really thankful that I don't have glaucoma. My mom had macular degeneration and was nearly blind before she died at age 90. I can give the Lord all the glory because I have had this since I was 28 and am now 60 and get along fairly well. Plus we had 10 kids along the way that are a real joy. Next week our son is getting married. That leaves only the youngest girl not married.

Congrats to the son getting married. And I'll keep you in my prayers. I have a dear friend back in TX who has macular degeration and is considered legally blind although she can see images. She has been in my prayers for years as she and I pray for God heal her. She has beautiful music ministry and writes her on songs of Praise. I will pray with you that your eyes do not get any worse. I also understand about the insurane, etc.

carolr3639
08-13-2009, 07:49 PM
A testimony from Beyond Chocolate.

Before Beyond Chocolate I'd tried Weight Watchers many times, Slimming World and Atkins. I really was a serial yo-yo dieter.

I would do great on WeightWatchers as long as I was losing the weight (although I never made my target!) then everything would go to pot the second I couldn't cope anymore and instead of eating "sensibly" I just had to have whatever I had deprived myself of when I was on following the plan. I used to binge at almost every occasion - if I was happy, celebrating, miserable, cheering myself up, anxious about something - any excuse was good to go off the rails. At Christmas I used to eat till I felt sick, then the second the feeling subsided I'd cram more in to the point of feeling sick again, always telling myself I would start again in January and that I was "making the most" of the festivities. Basically I would spend 6 months losing weight and 3 months putting it all back on. Then I'd start again.

I would force myself to exercise when I was on a diet because obviously that meant I "earned" more chocolate or lost more weight. I used to force myself to go to classes I could just about put up with for weeks on end and LOVED the compliments I got.

When the diets worked I would allow myself to spend money on new clothes and marveled at the difference in my shape. When I put the weight back on I would hide under jeans and baggy jumpers - even in summer. I would rather have fainted of heat exhaustion rather than let anybody laugh at my rolls of fat.

Throughout this whole period of time, from the age of 8 to 24, I was convinced that it was ME who was at fault, it was ME who couldn't stick to the diets, ME who wasn't disciplined enough to do enough exercise and ME who had to eat the whole bar of chocolate and couldn't just eat it "in moderation". Now I know it was the diets that failed me, not the other way round.

NOW

I eat WHAT I want, WHEN I want, I move when I want, in a way that I enjoy and AM STILL LOSING WEIGHT! I eat all foods and enjoy them and thank goodness I've lost that sense of guilt that I'm failing myself by eating certain foods. Now I know that food is there to be enjoyed.

When I move my body I know that I'm smiling because I only do it if I fancy doing it AND MY BODY IS SINGING. I don't force myself to do it - even when people nag me or push me. I know that I will want to do it again when my body is ready.

My confidence has increased no end. I've come to realise that unless I'm willing to do press-ups and sit-ups every day and go without food for the rest of my life - and I already know that, for me, that's not a sustainable option, then this is me. Even if I were to do those things I would never look like any of the actresses or models because I am not them. I now know that I am beautiful. Not in a Cameron Diaz, Eva Langoria or Kirsten Dunst type way but in a Kay Alderton, living my stressful but fun life, studying every day for my career, working full-time, eating all the foods I love, girlfriend of an army recruit kind of way.

I've been doing Beyond Chocolate for just over a year and although I have lost weight (I have no idea how much because I haven't weighed myself since I went on the workshop) for me that isn't the most important thing any more. For a while it was but now I think, even if I hadn't lost the weight I have, I couldn't ever go back to the prison of dieting. I have found freedom!

pattygirl63
08-14-2009, 12:11 AM
:wave:Ladies,

Just checking in. Hope everybody has had a good day.

Carolr Thanks for the article. I look forward to the day that can be my testimony.

Bootsie
08-14-2009, 12:46 AM
Oh Carol thank You for sharing. I got my book today and been reading but have not learned anything new yet. Just started the 3rd chapter. I was wondering today why there was not a diet involving God in the Faith Group and when I came on tonight there was one there! It sounds like Intuitive but having Bible Study with it, it's great! It just seems like God knows what I am thinking lately, wish he would bring a-lot of rain here on our ranch and Mr. Lathams ranch! I am so tired of breathing dust. I sure would like to get my feet muddy!

pattygirl63
08-14-2009, 01:42 PM
Thanks Bootsie for sharing about the new Bible Study thread. I went and read some of the material and ended up printing out the study materials. What a great addition to my eating plan. I too believe it is an answer to prayer. Isn't it wonderful how God prepares us and then leads to just what we need.

All you Intuitive Eaters out there:wave: and have a great day.

Bootsie
08-14-2009, 04:06 PM
Trish he is so awesome, now if I could just converse with him on this lack of rain. I know he cares , for every morning he has a new flower waiting for me on my walk. This is his land but it looks like the devils so burnt!
Reading this I just got to thinking that flower is a way telling me he still is in control and the rain will come, to have faith in him!

carolr3639
08-14-2009, 06:20 PM
Bootsie, we lived in Texas for one month in 1972 when my oldest girl was one. One night we went to play tennis and she started to cry. She wouldn't stop so we took her home and put her in the tub still crying. Finally we gave her a drink of water and that was it!!! The air conditioner never shut off the whole time we were there. At 9 pm it was 91 degrees! I can remember that the only green place was in the towns. The country side was barren. You should come visit WI sometime. We have times of little rain but generally not. I tried to print the Bible study but can't get our printer to work. My DH will help me tonight. It sounds so good.

Bootsie
08-14-2009, 08:29 PM
Carol someday I am going to do some traveling but right now I am having trouble getting to Marfa Texas to see my grandchildren. I know that Jesus loves us and he will send us rain soon ,its not long off. I will be:carrot:shouting with joy, praising him!:woohoo:

Kelli
08-14-2009, 10:37 PM
Hi Ladies!

I am new to this thread, but it has blessed me so much, thank you. I have been trying to figure out how I could share what God has shown me. I really don't want to publish it, because I think the grammar problems would definitely be a problem for a publicist...:o

I have a website, but it's pretty amateurish, and I don't know how to advertise it. People now days are leary, and when I say it's a free study, I think they think there are strings attached.

Because it's a 13 week study you do 5 days a week, The whole study is 475 pages long... whew :^: . So I don't think it is practical to keep posting it here...Anyway, I would appreciate prayer for wisdom and patience.

AND I am praying for rain in Big beautiful Texas bootsie!!! ;)

Love, Kelli

carolr3639
08-15-2009, 09:28 AM
Hi, Kelly. It finally dawned on me that God did not create our bodies to lose weight. He made them to survive famine so that is why years of dieting didn't work for me. For me, God's diet is hunger and satisfaction. If you stick with that your appetite will lower and you will gradually lose weight and not gain it back. I started about where you did and and am about the same weight as you now. Sometimes I get discouraged because it is so slow. And once in awhile I get worried that I might be gaining it back but I'm not. I tried on the wedding dress I have for my son's wedding next week and it still fits. Whew! Glad you are here and I'd be really interested in your book if you ever get it done. I wouldn't mind the grammar errors.

pattygirl63
08-15-2009, 03:38 PM
Keliie - :welcome3: to Intuitive Eating thread. I am thoroughly enjoying your lessons. I hope we can find a way to continue it. So much wisdom and knowledge that God has given you with understanding of how to teach it through a book. I'm sure the Lord will show you how to promote it. I'm not pc inclined. I do wish I knew how to help you set up a website etc. I definitely will be praying that God will help you find a way. Did you think about doing a Yahoo group? Not sure how to do it, but if you decide to do it I sure want to be part of it.

Bootsie - I remember those hot days in TX. Did I tell you that I lived in TX until I married my DH over 6 years ago? I moved to FL when I married him and we had all those hurricanes. Then we moved to SC and our second year here we were in a drought. This year we have had rain but it has been slow. I definitely pray TX gets rain soon. I love the Flower from the Lord. I love roses as did my Mama. One time when my DH who now makes his home in Heaven and were having hard time, we came home from work and I saw 3 roses as I got out of the car. It was winter and way too cold for flowers. I had been very close to my Mama and his. Without thinking I said, "Oh Bill, look. Mother and Mama have sent us 2 roses". Of course, I have no scripture for that, but in my heart I knew that God had everything in control and He would take care of us and He did.

Carolr - :wave:

Blue - How are you doing? I hope all is well with you.

Hope Everybody has a great weekend.

Kelli
08-15-2009, 06:33 PM
Thanks for the welcome Trish. I have never heard of Yahoo groups before, so I googled (binged) it (My hubby is a contractor for Microsoft). Anyway, you're brilliant! I signed up to create a group and in the process of setting up. Thanks again!

Love, Kelli

pattygirl63
08-15-2009, 08:57 PM
Thanks for the welcome Trish. I have never heard of Yahoo groups before, so I googled (binged) it (My hubby is a contractor for Microsoft). Anyway, you're brilliant! I signed up to create a group and in the process of setting up. Thanks again!

Love, Kelli

That is Great Kelli! I am one who will be there. I'm looking forward to it. Don't you love how our Lord answers our prayers so quickly? Those quick answered prayers are what gives us the confidence to stand firm waiting for Him to handle the slow coming answers.

Bootsie
08-16-2009, 03:18 PM
Kelli I went on there and they sure have a lot of diets with God on there. What are you going to call yours, you can PM if it is not allowed on here and tell me, so I can be on the look out for it and not get on the wrong one. Bootsie

Kelli
08-16-2009, 03:36 PM
I'm still trying to figure it all out but I think it's called flowersoverthewall

I have posted some of the lesson's but I'm still not exactly sure what happens once I do that. :o

I tried on the wedding dress I have for my son's wedding next week and it still fits. Whew! Glad you are here and I'd be really interested in your book if you ever get it done. I wouldn't mind the grammar errors.

Yay! :carrot: you can still fit in your dress. I already have a website with a printable version of the website. I'm not sure how long I have to be posting here before they let me add links to websites, and hopefully I'm not crossing any lines here, :^: but I think you can get to the site if you just type (or copy and paste) flowersoverthewall.com in the address bar???

Love, Kelli

carolr3639
08-16-2009, 06:24 PM
I've been on a few Yahoo groups before but not recently. I've kind of limited myself to this one as it takes so much time to post in different ones. The intuitive eating Yahoo group was created by a Christian but she later gave it to someone else and the new people didn't want a lot of talk about God so I resigned. I tried to find the creator to tell her about it but never could. She probably knew. Kelli, your Bible lesson sounds a lot like Gwen Shamblin's book The Weigh Down Diet. Ever read that?

Bootsie
08-16-2009, 10:23 PM
I told two of my friends about your website Kelli, one lives across the river from me and another one way off and both love it!

Girls for supper tonight I had a piece of coconut pie and fat free milk for supper and no guilt.

Kelli
08-17-2009, 12:36 AM
carolr

Quote from Flowers Over the Wall Introduction, page 6: I found a book on using the Bible as a diet guide. We started to read it, and even though I found the diet to be quite sensible, I quickly realized the religious part of it was based on works. I found myself trying to explain why so much of it wasnít Biblical and we finally gave up. I thought, Somebody needs to write a real born again spirit filled Diet Bible study. I decided to write one for me and Mylissa

The Weigh Down Diet was the "Religious" diet, I was talking about here. The flowers diet is based on some of the same principles, but I researched to make sure they were not her original ideas. They are facts. For example: There are receptors on the stomach sending messages to the medulla oblongata to tell us we are full. These nerves can become desensitized.

The flowers diet portion is very similar, but that's where the similarities stop. Flowers is based on Grace... :)

I am so glad you asked me that, because it is based on the same principles I was afraid folks would think it was Weigh Down or any other diet out there that's based on the same principles (moderation), and there are quite a few The Moderation Diet, intuitive eating...etc.

Anyway, I would appreciate any feed back you might have with it being too similar, I tried to make it my own by researching the facts and principles, I did start out writing it just for Mylissa and I, and at first I did copy the diet exactly...hummm... I haven't read Weigh Down in a long time. I should check it from the library, and make sure the diet portion isn't too much the same. Really you could use any diet as long as you didn't have to focus too much on the food.

Thank you!

Love, Kelli

carolr3639
08-17-2009, 09:40 AM
Gwen's original book was very good with very little reference to her own religious beliefs.....IE the trinity, etc. She even had a testimony of a diabetic who said that we could never earn our salvation. But future books were not as good and I could see something was wrong. Then it came out that she didn't believe in the trinity and works was a very big part of her belief system.

Blue Serenity
08-17-2009, 02:38 PM
Hello everyone! :wave:

Welcome Kelli. :)

Hope everyone is doing well.

Haven't had much to say lately as I've been busy with other areas of my life. Not only that but I've been "busy" IEing ... that is, I've been listening, responding and watching what's been going on with my IE. I'm glad to report that I think something finally clicked for me after reading that article I posted on here a little while back. I haven't had to stress or de-stress about my lack of whatever to make IE work for me because it's been working ever since then. I feel kinda silly calling IE an "it" as if it is a diet or special method or anything special at all, when in truth, "it" is nothing at all. LOL!

I have been doing everything IE talks about naturally ... eating whatever I want, stopping when I've had enough (sometimes that is when I'm full and other times it may be before I'm full), if I don't love it, I don't eat it, and all the rest of the things that IE teaches us to do. I can't say for sure what exactly clicked, but something did and I don't feel the urge to eat just because. A beautiful example of that happened this weekend at a picnic. There was a ton of food spread out and I took my time making my decision of what to eat ... grabbed two pieces of fried chicken, some cucumber slices, a little stuffing, some strawberries and some kind of potato casserole. Gobbled down the chicken (I love me some fried chicken) and ate the casserole, tasted the stuffing, didn't like it, left it and gobbled up the strawberries. Still felt like I wanted to eat more after that and went back to see what would catch my eye ... strawberries, lots of em! So I got some strawberries with an outstanding cream cheese dip and enjoyed that until I was satisfied. Hadn't even made it to the dessert table and I was completely satisfied with my meal, didn't want dessert. (Did go back for dessert much later on tho!) :p

Anyhow, that's about how IE has been going for me this past week or so. I don't know what the scale says today, but Friday morning it was down to 192 without any effort. (That's down from my high weight (204) when I gained all that weight when first starting IE.) Hopefully whatever it is that clicked for me will not unclick! But I will keep in mind the graph in the IE book of what one's weight-loss might look like, with ups and downs, but the overall trend being down.

Oh, let me tell you about this ... that diner I told you all about that I love to go to. Well, we went. I still couldn't get past the dinner menu, so I ordered a panini and ate as much of that as I could (almost all of it) and a cup of soup. But I ordered a piece of carrot cake to go. I wasn't getting out of that place without dessert this time! LOL! Later that evening when my stomach was growling I decided to eat the cake. It was a big piece and it was excellent, so I ate the whole thing. Not too long afterwards I started to feel sick to my stomach. Ugh! I knew immediately it was way too much sugar at one sitting. The frosting was super sweet as was the cake. But I was enjoying every bite, so I ate every bite. Well, needless to say, I think I am cured of the "dessert on a pedestal" syndrome! LOL! I don't have the desire to just go and indulge on dessert there anymore! Hahaha!

Seriously, tho, I think because I've been treating all food as equal that so much has lost it's appeal! And because I've really been listening to what my body wants, I'm getting a good variety of foods, just like the strawberries at the picnic. I don't usually just sit and eat strawberries, but they were tasting soooo good at the time. There was plenty of other foods there that I could have filled up on and in the past would have gravitated towards ... like the pasta salads. But I ate what "spoke" to me and felt totally satisfied with it.

So, that's how my past week has been going. Today I grabbed a moon pie to try and discovered I don't like them. Three-quarters of that is in the trash. But I did enjoy a large Greek salad. Yum! I'm thinkin' about chicken and rice for dinner. Yeah, that sounds good.

Well, y'all have a great IE day! :sunny:

pattygirl63
08-17-2009, 04:50 PM
Hi Everybody,:wave:

Blue So glad IE is working for you. I loved your experience at the "special" restaurant and the picnic. A lot of people do not like buffets like Ryans and Golden Corral, but I love them. When I dieted, I would always go in and get a big salad and work my way to the dessert section. Now that I do IE, I don't eat the salad because I eat a lot of salads at home. I love salad and find they don't always have what I like in one. Now I eat whatever looks good to me and I always finish with a piece of carrot cake or a slice of pecan pie depending on what they have and which one jumps out at me. I heard some one say once that after the first 2 or 3 bites the food doesn't taste as good. I've learned that to be true especially when it comes to dessert.

Carolr & Kellie I didn't know that about the Weigh Down program. However, I've only read the first book. Don't have it any more. Kellie, I think she taught people to eat more of the carby foods and work toward protein if I remember it right. I think that is much different from the way you said. I personally like your suggestion of eating my favorite food first and work from there. However, since doing IE, I have gotten to where I only eat my favorite foods.

Bootsie and all other Intuitive Eaters:wave:

Have a great day!

Kelli
08-17-2009, 08:24 PM
Thanks Blue for the Welcome! :wave:

I think that is much different from the way you said. I personally like your suggestion of eating my favorite food first and work from there. However, since doing IE, I have gotten to where I only eat my favorite foods.

Trish! I am so excited, that was actually the part of flowers I felt resembled Weigh Down too much, but only eating the foods you love makes total sense! And since I haven't read IE, It can't be copying, just using the same principles. woo-hoo, you have solved a big problem for me! THANK YOU JESUS!

God really led me here to you ladies, you are all helping me so much!

Love, Kelli

carolr3639
08-18-2009, 09:31 AM
The latest from Maggie Miller.

About a month and a half ago I traded in gelato for apricots on a warm summer evening, when all I wanted was a delicious frozen dessert. “How is that intuitive,” you ask? Read on.

Jeremy and I had just finished one of the most delicious Thai dinners we’d had all year, and though it was satisfying, we wanted to cap it off with an equally tasty dessert. We saved room for it, and eagerly made our way to our neighborhood’s newest dessert shop, which I’ll leave nameless just in case they are having early opening product snafus. (I don’t want to give them a bad name if their product improves)

When we walked into said nameless dessert shop on Ventura Boulevard, we strolled through the entire store just admiring the design, dťcor and concept. It was part old-fashioned ice-cream parlor and part candy store. I was in heaven – already picturing many evening trips to this place, hubby on one arm, Baby Miller on the other. The store serves gelato (one of my personal favorites), frozen yogurt, candy and an assortment of baked goods – cookies, cakes, cupcakes, you name it.

Wonderful idea. Bad execution.

Jeremy ordered a frozen yogurt, which he got to serve to himself (part of the fun), and I ordered gelato. We sat at a table outside to enjoy our desserts and one of our quickly evaporating nights out as a couple before our little Emily arrived. But then we tasted our treats. After about three or four bites, I put my spoon down and gave it to Jeremy.

“Does this taste funny to you?” I asked, wondering if it was my highly sensitive pregnancy taste buds playing a trick on me or if the gelato was simply not good.

“Yeah, it’s gross,” he said after taking a cautious bite. “And my yogurt is disgusting, too.” We each took a few more small bites, in the hopes of our desserts magically improving, but they didn’t. Being extremely pregnant, and having my heart set on a frozen dessert, I suggested we bail on the $8 worth of bad gelato/yogurt currently melting on the table between us, and go to Baskin Robbins.

Because you can’t turn down a pregnant woman’s request for ice cream, my hubby started driving us to our local shop. Just as we were about to pass the turnoff for home, I said, “You know what? I don’t think I want it anymore. That gelato kind of ruined my craving for ice cream.”

He felt the same way, so we headed home, where I found, to my delight, two delicious looking (and tasting) apricots sitting in our fruit bowl. Needless to say, that was my dessert and it was more satisfying than ice cream ever could have been at that moment, post gross-gelato.

Intuitive Eating Takeaways:

- Eat when you’re hungry, stop when you’re full, and certainly stop when something doesn’t taste good. It’s all too easy to eat an entire meal (often past fullness) in the hopes that the next bite will be satisfying, when in actuality, it’s not.

- Give yourself permission to eat your favorite foods. Unconditionally. Because I knew I could go to Baskin Robbins anytime I desired, I was able to listen to my body and change course, trading in a chocolate-peanut butter cone for two apricots. (When my taste for ice cream returned a few days later, we did make our way to Baskin Robbins, and I ordered my cone)

carolr3639
08-18-2009, 09:37 AM
Kelli, You might want to check out Gwen's first book from the library and skim through it. She does talk about eating your favorite foods first. I know a lady who wrote about her experience with Weigh Down in her book. Jan Christiansen was her name. It was a good book but she put a disclaimer in the front I think because the Weigh Down organization said to. It was a good book, kind of like a daily devotional but she must not have told them about it before she published it. She was a very nice lady, too.

Kelli
08-18-2009, 10:50 AM
I know a lady who wrote about her experience with Weigh Down in her book. Jan Christiansen was her name. It was a good book but she put a disclaimer in the front I think because the Weigh Down organization said to. It was a good book, kind of like a daily devotional but she must not have told them about it before she published it.

Do you mean Jan Christiansen wrote a daily devotional book, and she wrote of her experiences with the Weigh Down diet, and Weigh Down made her put a disclaimer???

I goggled Jan Christiansen, and couldn't find anything she had written, maybe I'm not understanding what you mean...:dizzy:

Love, Kelli

carolr3639
08-18-2009, 11:27 AM
You can get her book on Amazon. I actually emailed her a few times and she wouldn't say much but they gave her a hard time about her book. The book is called More of Him, Less of Me. After a long time I just found her again on the net. She makes and sells sock dolls in AZ. She writes children's books, too, I think. Her book was published in 1999.

Blue Serenity
08-18-2009, 02:40 PM
Thanks for the article, Carol. That's how I felt about that moon pie I attempted to eat. *insert gross-face smiley here*

Blue Serenity
08-18-2009, 03:01 PM
Hmm. I must have been low on dairy nutrients. Lunch was interesting today ... I started with a small serving of butter pecan ice cream. Next was a crumb donut followed by none other than a glass of milk topped off with a couple chunks of cheddar cheese. I think I'm all filled up on dairy now. lol I love listening to my cravings!

Edit to add ... dieters would think I'm crazy!

Kelli
08-18-2009, 08:24 PM
It occurred to me that I have been talking a lot about other diets and this is the intuitive eating thread, whoops sorry :o This intuitive eating sounds like it's right up my alley. Blue I love that you ate ice cream for lunch. Our company caters lunch for us about once a month, and we always have ice cream for dessert. They all laugh at me because I eat my ice cream right along with my meal. My freind who is on weight watchers really thinks I'm crazy, because I eat anything I want as long as I'm hungry, and she has to save her points for dinner, and she is gaining, not losing, and she is trying so hard. :( I feel bad for her, but I don't want to seem like a know it all, and tell her how to eat. When I do try to tell her how I'm losing it seems to irritate her.

I think I will try to talk her into coming to my home group I plan on having... Will you pray for her.

Do you guys have a problem with friends being mad at you because you are losing weight??? I know I have been mad at people before because I was trying to lose weight and they were losing. I tried not to show it, but I probably treated them different subconsciously...

Well anyway, you ladies have a nice day, and from now on I am only going to talk about how fun it is not to diet!

Love Kelli

carolr3639
08-18-2009, 09:31 PM
Kelli, are you at what you consider your goal weight? I'm so much happier with my weight but I could still stand to lose more.

Blue Serenity
08-18-2009, 09:44 PM
Hi Kelli, it's ok to talk about diets in this thread, it's just that we don't do diets anymore. I think it's diets that led us all here anyways, so the topic does come up. Most recently I thought I could add carb control to my IE lifestyle, but quickly learned that even that was still a diet. And that caused the diet mentality to kick in and diet backlash to follow. Like many here, I've been a "professional" dieter most of my life and have tried a lot of them. In theory, they all sound good, but none of them have been the golden ticket to weight loss (for me). Instead I blame the diets for the scale creeping up and up over the years. Each failed attempt at losing weight adding a few more pounds when the backlash of unrestrained eating would kick in. That said, most of our "diet" conversation in here tends to revolve around how diets have failed us, so it is unlikely that you'll find anyone in this thread recommend a diet-based program. But please do feel free to share whatever you want in this thread. There's really no rules here. :hug:

Anyhow, to answer your question about people getting mad at me for losing weight ... I haven't lost any great amount yet to be noticeable, so, no. But on the other hand, I can't help but wish it were me losing weight like others around me following diets ... only natural to be a little jealous, eh? But that's ok, I'm working on learning how to eat for a lifetime the IE way. I think I'll be better off in the long run. (Not to mention, those same people who are losing weight via the diet route, have all lost the weight in the past only to gain it back again. But, like you, I'm not going to tell them how to eat - unless they ask - we each have to figure that out on our own.)

Bootsie
08-19-2009, 10:33 AM
Blue so good to see you back! Missed you! Kelli I have friends especially one when I lost weight 90 pounds did not want anything to do with me, because she hated skinny people. That hurt. I did not have anything against her because she was well built, so why should she throw our friendship away because I was thinner? This happened before too ladies did not want to be around me because I was young and thin at the time but when I gained weight they all liked me. What is up with this? Anyone got the answer?

pattygirl63
08-19-2009, 03:27 PM
Just checking in to say HI:wave: I'm on Week 2 Day 1 "Establish Being Occupied With Food and Your Weight Is Idolatry". I copied week 2 from the website. I noticed they numbered differently than on 3fc. I've chosen to do one a day instead of 5 a week. I am going to be going BSF this year starting in September. They are studying the book of John and have daily study and and we have Sunday night Bible Study to prepare for. So it is easier for me to just add it to what I'm doing.

These first few lessons have really left me feeling "quiet". I don't know how else to describe it. I am at just the right place for these lessons spiritually and mentally.

I shared with Kellie a PM that 11 months ago our Pastor left our church and started a new church. Tony and I went with him since we had joined the previous church for one reason. We had heard him on tv and were drawn to him because he taught only what the Word of God said. He had told the church one Sunday morning that he had prayed on January 1, 2008 that God would teach him God's Way of doing things. This spoke to me because my favorite scripture which I had told him when we met him before joining the church that my favorite translation of Matthew 6:33 was from the Amplified translation which say and I paraphrase, "Seek first the kingdom of God and His Righteousness (His Way of doing and being right)."

Eight months later when the church didn't see his vision to reach the people who wouldn't normally go to church, he left and started a new church. We went to the first service and became charter members. It never was a question as to whether we would go with him because we knew God was leading us to be with this man and pray for him. Tony and I knew from his teaching that God was doing something "special" in this young man and we felt that we should pray for God to give him wisdom because we knew that people would either go with him or God would lead him somewhere else. We wee just thankful that he stayed in our town and that God has allowed us to be a part of what God is doing here through this man's ministry.

I said all that to say that the amazing thing is that the lessons I'm studying through Kellie's website goes right along with what our Pastor is teaching us on Sunday morning. What an Awesome God we have. I absolutely love how God puts our lives together with others who walking the same walk as us. Of course, I believe that if we are following God's leading that this is God' way of showing us that we are right where He wants us to be physically and spiritually.

Any way, I'll be here at least reading. Just may be quiet, but everything is fine. I just seem to be in a state of awe or something right now... maybe feeling humble, not sure. Also kind of digesting spiritually all I've learned from these lessons.

Have a good day.

JulieJ08
08-19-2009, 06:54 PM
I wonder if another thread might be better if there's going to be extended discussions of Bible study?

Blue Serenity
08-20-2009, 10:48 PM
Hi Julie :)

Actually, that might not be a bad idea. I have seen this happen before on another site where some feelings got hurt over this same type of situation and valuable members of the community left.

Personally, the discussions do not bother me. I just don't plan to participate in them. And, as I said earlier, we don't have any rules in here (at least not that I am aware of) ... BUT I also respect that not everybody is interested in a Biblical approach to weight loss, so I can understand where you are coming from. BUT I cannot speak for anyone else, so that's where I'll leave it, for others to decide what they wish to discuss in here.

In the meantime, for anybody interested there is already a dedicated thread where the Bible studies are being discussed. Here is the link: Diet Bible Study (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/faith-based-support-groups/179039-diet-bible-study.html)

carolr3639
08-21-2009, 08:53 AM
Son getting married today. Woohoooooooooo!!!!!

JulieJ08
08-21-2009, 11:34 AM
Have fun, Carol!

Blue Serenity
08-21-2009, 12:18 PM
Congratulations and enjoy the wedding Carol!:congrat:

LaDean
08-22-2009, 01:23 AM
congratulations carol and have fun and enjoy... thanks for sharing. LaDean

carolr3639
08-24-2009, 06:45 AM
Just a quick note. My DH has kidnapped me and is taking me to PEI. I'll tell you the whole story later when we get home in a week, Lord willing. It's a funny one.

Blue Serenity
08-25-2009, 11:49 AM
Hi everyone,
I'm still IEing. Scale has been pretty steady, which I'll consider pretty good for me. As soon as cooler weather moves in I think I'll be a bit more active by getting back out to take walks again. Summer humidity just kills it for me there! Otherwise not much else going on here.

See you when you get back Carol.

Blue Serenity
08-25-2009, 12:12 PM
I'm sorry if I've made anyone feel unwelcome here. This is exactly what I was afraid of.

carolr3639
08-25-2009, 01:32 PM
Hi Blue. I know what you mean about the humidity. Ugh.

Kelli
08-26-2009, 12:25 AM
Blue Serenity,

I know you were probably not talking to me when you said...

I'm sorry if I've made anyone feel unwelcome here. This is exactly what I was afraid of.

If it was me you were talking to because of this...

Actually, that might not be a bad idea. I have seen this happen before on another site where some feelings got hurt over this same type of situation and valuable members of the community left.

I completely agree with you, in fact I was the one who mentioned I felt like I had hi-jacked this thread.

It occurred to me that I have been talking a lot about other diets and this is the intuitive eating thread, whoops sorry

You have been nothing but sweet and kind to me...:hug:

Sometimes it's so hard to say what we want to on a thread, because you can't use any body language or facial expressions. You can't watch sombody face to see if what you are saying is being understood, or is hurting their feelings. Anyway... I just wanted to be sure you knew you hadn't hurt my feelings.

Love, Kelli

pattygirl63
08-26-2009, 08:39 PM
Hi Everyone,

Carolr Congrats on the wedding and hope you and DH had a good time on you special time away.

Blue You didn't offend me either. I think the things said was to me not Kellie. However, it isn't a problem for me. In fact, I did find a place where those things can be shared.

I don't want Blue to feel bad about anything. So I decided to write and tell you that I'm in a transition time in my life and I've decided to leave the Intuitive Eating program to do something else. I'm going to be getting really busy in September and won't have time to be on all the threads I've been on. So I have to pick and choose carefully which ones I'll keep.

I've decided to continue to study Kellie's lessons along with the other plan that I'm doing on another website. I need that one as it is my support group following the same plan. And I want to keep my faith thread here on 3fc. Just don't have time for more than that. Since I'm leaving IE program, it is logical for me to give this thread up. I will miss y'all.

I leave hoping you all will continue to do well with your IE Journey.

JulieJ08
08-26-2009, 11:06 PM
I don't think anyone felt unwelcome either! :)

Patty, I wish you the best. I struggle too with trying to do too much and doing none if it well!

Blue Serenity
08-27-2009, 09:48 AM
Sometimes it's so hard to say what we want to on a thread, because you can't use any body language or facial expressions. You can't watch sombody face to see if what you are saying is being understood, or is hurting their feelings.

Yes, I agree, Kelli.

As far as who I was talking to, I was just trying to address the situation from a neutral place. Things stay pretty relaxed in the IE thread, and I had everybody's interest at heart. :hug:

Blue You didn't offend me either. I think the things said was to me not Kellie. However, it isn't a problem for me. In fact, I did find a place where those things can be shared.

I don't want Blue to feel bad about anything. So I decided to write and tell you that I'm in a transition time in my life and I've decided to leave the Intuitive Eating program to do something else. I'm going to be getting really busy in September and won't have time to be on all the threads I've been on. So I have to pick and choose carefully which ones I'll keep.

I've decided to continue to study Kellie's lessons along with the other plan that I'm doing on another website. I need that one as it is my support group following the same plan. And I want to keep my faith thread here on 3fc. Just don't have time for more than that. Since I'm leaving IE program, it is logical for me to give this thread up. I will miss y'all.

I leave hoping you all will continue to do well with your IE Journey.

Trish, I wish you the best, you will be missed here! I'm sad to see you go, but I do understand. Check in with us from time to time! :hug:

Everybody, thanks for understanding. :grouphug: Sometimes I feel like I've put my foot in my mouth. :o

Well, back to business. Have a great one! :sunny:

carolr3639
08-28-2009, 07:22 AM
Just a note. Ate too much last night but now I really feel it when I do that which reminds me not to do it again. Sorry to see you go, Patty.

Blue Serenity
08-28-2009, 01:06 PM
Me too, Carol. I don't like that stuffed feeling anymore. It seems to be easier to listen to my fullness now than it did early on. Sometimes I never even reach full, but just stop at satisfied.

I've been eating a lot of bready stuff lately for convenience and I need to go shopping (been too busy for whipping up meals) and so I've been craving veggies. Once again, breakfast was a bread (a bagel w/cream cheese) but it just didn't satisfy me even tho it was a very good cinnamon raisin bagel, so I had a few baby cut carrots to top it off and that seems to have satisfied me, even tho I'm not full. Intuitive eating is fun!

carolr3639
08-29-2009, 09:05 PM
Still having trouble stopping when satisfied. Can't wait to get home.

praterteaches
08-30-2009, 01:02 PM
Hello there, I am fairly new and very interested in intuitive eating. I feel really good when I eating with hunger and fullness, but I am beginning to see a problem with this eating.

This post may be a little long, but I am hoping there is someone out there who has experienced the same problem.

I have done this intuitive eating a couple of times before. The first time with Weigh Down Workshop back in the last 90's. I felt great and for the first time in control instead of food controling me. I continued eating intuitively on this program until I stopped due to a very stressful move out of state which ended in abandoning the program. I did work the program well for at least a year, but I never saw the weight loss that a lot of other people did. Just a couple of pounds here and there and it was discouraging. Looking back I realized that althought I ate small portions of the foods that seems most appetizing, my menu consisted of mostly sweets and carbs.

A few years later I started working an online program that was based on intuitive eating called Setting Captives Free. I faithfully worked this program for 3 months following their guidlines and I lost a total of 5-6 lbs. Basically they accused me of not being "obedient" and I was really mad and disappointed.

I recently started reading the book "Intuitive Eating" and I love it and I have been working hard at doing it. The same thing is happening, I find myself eating mostly sugars and carbs, but small amounts, and I seem to have gained weight.

I am starting to believe that I am insulin resistant, and that is the reason I cannot lose weight. Insulin resistance causes cravings for carbs and sugars and although I am only eating small amount of these foods, I crave them.

The other day I decided to try something. Even though I wanted a couple of my favorite chocolate cookies when I was clearly hungry, I decided to make a simple fruit salad with fresh peaches, bananas, and blueberries, topped with about a 1/2 cup vanilla yogurt. Now my taste buds were not telling me this was truly what I wanted, but I ate it anyway. Well, it turned out that it was sooo delicious and way satisfying!

This got me thinking that I am continuing to crave carbs because I have some type of imbalance with sugar and this is what is keeping me from choosing healthier foods, and losing weight.

Any comments or encouragement is welcome! -Mary

JulieJ08
08-30-2009, 06:11 PM
praterteaches, I just have to laugh at the irony of a group calling themselves "Setting Captives Free" accusing you of not being "obedient." ;)

I mix IE with some choices about healthy eating. To me, *what* I eat strongly affects what I *want* to eat. Sure, if I eat nothing but junk, I eventually crave some veggies, but the key word there is "some" ;). I think for most people, the IE logic that you'll eventually eat healthy without trying is flawed. It's complicated to say that you have to balance IE and making healthy choices, but I think it's true.

When I eat whole grains and beans and veggies and nothing sweet - that's what I crave. I can think of sugar during the week and truly prefer something completely not sweet. Seriously. I find that I can have dessert about once a week, really enjoy it, and not crave more. But if I have more sweets than that, I want more and more and more. Junk is even worse.

Plus, my whole grains and beans and veggies keep me so full. Refined grains don't do that. If I'm eating until I'm satisfied, it takes a whole lot more refined grains to get me there.

So, in a way, I am eating intuitively. I'm at the point I truly do prefer healthier foods. But I don't really think it's fair to suggest to people that they will start preferring these foods, magically, and that then they will start eating them intuitively. I think it's the other way around. You eat them, and then start preferring them.

But the process and balance is tricky. I think IE has some very important concepts. But I do think it's lacking in the recognition of just how much *what* you eat affects what you *want* to eat.

That's just my take on it. We all have different eating backgrounds, and I'm sure IE exactly as written is exactly what many people need. Some of the concepts are stellar and pretty universal, and I keep working on them (as we all know, it's a lot harder than it sounds to everyone else!)

praterteaches
08-30-2009, 08:16 PM
Julie, thank you for your imput. Truthfully, I was thinking the same thing. The book says to just go with your true desire of what sounds really good. I have been doing that and find myself eating a cookie at lunch, another two later on, and then a Dove bar at night. That is what sounded good to me, so I ate it. I didn't overeat, I waited until I was hungry. But, the more sweets I eat, the more I want. I tried eating one sweet a day, and that didn't last too long. I eat other healthy foods as well, but when I started thinking about what I was eating it seemed to be close to half of what I eat is sweet. It's not like I just started a month ago and I am not intuned with what I desire.

Your comment has made me realize that I have to adapt my IT eating to make sense for my life. I will never lose weight eating sweets all day long.

carolr3639
08-31-2009, 02:12 PM
I think Julie put it well. My mom always taught me to eat sweets at the end of a meal so basically that's what I still do. But most people get tired of things they eat often and that's what I think IE teaches. When I get home I would really like to exercise more because sometimes I feel like and old lady at 60. I can't be in the sun so I usually garden at sunset. But I think I need more.

seattlejules
08-31-2009, 05:08 PM
Hey everybody!

I would LOVE to just eat as much as my body needs for fuel then stop! So I hear people talking about a "program," so what else is involved other than only eating when hungry, and then only until nourished? Also, did I hear that some blend this program with others? Anybody (for example) count calories or go to OA at the same time?

Since I have close to 100 pounds to lose (OK, if I lost 100 pounds I would be at the perfect weight really) it will not be easy to exercise vigorously until I drop 25 or 30 pounds, which I have done in a short time in the past following pretty balanced eating programs. But like most who lose weight quickly, I've put every bit back on along with additional pounds.

So I am new here today. Any suggestions?

Thanks ~~ Julie

praterteaches
08-31-2009, 06:51 PM
Julie, Welcome, I am new as well. Chances are if you need to lose 100 lbs you have been on lots of diets. I need to lose close to 50 lbs and I have been on every diet on the planet.

Intuitive eating is not a diet plan, but a way to stop dieting. You eat when you are hungry and you stop when satisfied. Simple concept but not as easy when you have been used to rules all your life.

There are many books out but the one I am reading is called "Intuitive Eating" by Evelyn Tribole.

JulieJ08
08-31-2009, 07:56 PM
seattlejules - welcome :)

I'd recommend reading the Intuitive Eating book. It does have a program. But more than structure, it provides a philosophy or new outlook on eating and our relationship with food.

I think no matter what "diet" or "program" you talk about, people customize it to fit their needs!

Also, you can explore a bit on an online site like Amazon or Barnes & Noble - there are a lot of other books out there addressing "not" dieting, mindful eating, intuitive eating, "normal" eating, and so on. One I liked was "The Slow Down Diet," by Marc David, which despite the title, is also not about a diet.

Blue Serenity
09-01-2009, 12:04 PM
Hi everyone! :wave: I'm going to do lots of quotes in this post so I'll post my own comments in blue within the quotes I'm posting.

Hello there, I am fairly new and very interested in intuitive eating. Welcome praterteaches! I feel really good when I eating with hunger and fullness, but I am beginning to see a problem with this eating.

This post may be a little long, but I am hoping there is someone out there who has experienced the same problem. Yep!

I have done this intuitive eating a couple of times before. The first time with Weigh Down Workshop back in the last 90's. I felt great and for the first time in control instead of food controling me. I continued eating intuitively on this program until I stopped due to a very stressful move out of state which ended in abandoning the program. I did work the program well for at least a year, but I never saw the weight loss that a lot of other people did. Just a couple of pounds here and there and it was discouraging. Looking back I realized that althought I ate small portions of the foods that seems most appetizing, my menu consisted of mostly sweets and carbs.

A few years later I started working an online program that was based on intuitive eating called Setting Captives Free. I faithfully worked this program for 3 months following their guidlines and I lost a total of 5-6 lbs. Basically they accused me of not being "obedient" and I was really mad and disappointed.

Your experiences match my own. I, too, did the Weigh Down program and the Setting Captives Free program. I lost about 7 pounds with WD and nearly 20 pounds with SCF. Did I keep the pounds off? No. I think the problem I had with both programs was I still treated them like a diet. (Note the use of the word "program" I use with each.) I was either following *their* rules and being good or I was not following *their* rules and being bad, which only reinforced the whole diet mentality. It has taken me a very long time to get to a place where I no longer consider myself as being bad or good or eating bad or good. Instead, I now listen to my body really closely. (Well, with a few slip-ups here and there.) Yesterday happened to be a slip-up day. :^: I ate way too much and felt bloated and gross all day. But I don't feel "bad" in the sense that I failed yet again, like a diet keeps you thinking, I only felt bad physically and have learned from my mistake and don't want to repeat it.

I recently started reading the book "Intuitive Eating" and I love it and I have been working hard at doing it. The same thing is happening, I find myself eating mostly sugars and carbs, but small amounts, and I seem to have gained weight. This sounds very natural. I gained around 10 pounds when starting IE. That weight has come back off and I seem to be holding pretty steady for now. Until it finally clicked that I'm not on a diet or program or following any set of rules, I still struggled in this area of gravitating towards all those foods I had been avoiding or cutting back on while on diets. And struggled a lot with diet mentality and diet backlash. I know ... the last thing anybody wants to hear is that it's natural to gain weight when you're eating intuitively. But, if you allow yourself to get past that and stick with it you could find that the scale starts going in the other direction.

I am starting to believe that I am insulin resistant, and that is the reason I cannot lose weight. Insulin resistance causes cravings for carbs and sugars and although I am only eating small amount of these foods, I crave them. Here's where I'd like to toss out another book (program) it's called "YOU: On A Diet" ... now I'm not recommending this "program" if you're trying to go the IE route, BUT it wasn't until I read this book that I realized that it is very true that if you eat carby foods and sugary foods all the time, that's what you're gonna want to eat. I had experienced this quite often, but the YOAD book really gets down to the scientific reasons why this happens to our bodies. I can remember days when I would literally stand in front of the pantry snack after snack trying to get satisfied on low quality carby "junk" food, and I couldn't. Not until I was stuffed and bloated did I want to quit eating. There is a perfectly scientific answer to why that happens and how to stop it from happening. It stops when you eat better foods. More on that later ...

The other day I decided to try something. Even though I wanted a couple of my favorite chocolate cookies when I was clearly hungry, I decided to make a simple fruit salad with fresh peaches, bananas, and blueberries, topped with about a 1/2 cup vanilla yogurt. Now my taste buds were not telling me this was truly what I wanted, but I ate it anyway. Well, it turned out that it was sooo delicious and way satisfying! Satisfying ... this is very important.

This got me thinking that I am continuing to crave carbs because I have some type of imbalance with sugar and this is what is keeping me from choosing healthier foods, and losing weight.

Any comments or encouragement is welcome! -Mary

praterteaches, I just have to laugh at the irony of a group calling themselves "Setting Captives Free" accusing you of not being "obedient." ;)

I mix IE with some choices about healthy eating. To me, *what* I eat strongly affects what I *want* to eat. Exactly. Sure, if I eat nothing but junk, I eventually crave some veggies, but the key word there is "some" ;). I think for most people, the IE logic that you'll eventually eat healthy without trying is flawed. It's complicated to say that you have to balance IE and making healthy choices, but I think it's true. Yes, I agree. And there's a chapter in IE about "gentle nutrition" that backs this up.

When I eat whole grains and beans and veggies and nothing sweet - that's what I crave. I can think of sugar during the week and truly prefer something completely not sweet. Ditto. Seriously. I find that I can have dessert about once a week, really enjoy it, and not crave more. But if I have more sweets than that, I want more and more and more. Junk is even worse.

Plus, my whole grains and beans and veggies keep me so full. Very true. Refined grains don't do that. If I'm eating until I'm satisfied, it takes a whole lot more refined grains to get me there.

So, in a way, I am eating intuitively. I'm at the point I truly do prefer healthier foods. And it doesn't necessarily happen over night. It has taken me quite a while to get to a place where I can take or leave a Reese Peanut Butter Cup! LOL But I don't really think it's fair to suggest to people that they will start preferring these foods, magically, and that then they will start eating them intuitively. I think it's the other way around. You eat them, and then start preferring them. I think you're right. Although I love just about all kinds of foods, so it was really easy for me to reach for "healthier" choices.

But the process and balance is tricky. I think IE has some very important concepts. But I do think it's lacking in the recognition of just how much *what* you eat affects what you *want* to eat. Agreed. That's why I mention the YOAD book for anybody interested in the whole physiological aspect of eating. It even has lots of comical illustrations to help you visualize how your body is handling the food it eats. A good read.

That's just my take on it. We all have different eating backgrounds, and I'm sure IE exactly as written is exactly what many people need. Some of the concepts are stellar and pretty universal, and I keep working on them (as we all know, it's a lot harder than it sounds to everyone else!) Yes, it is harder than it sounds.

Back in a few with more quotes. This post is getting kinda long!

Blue Serenity
09-01-2009, 01:10 PM
More blue quotes from Blue. :D

I think Julie put it well. My mom always taught me to eat sweets at the end of a meal so basically that's what I still do. I like to do this, too. It feels like you've topped off your meal and can lean back and let out that satisfying "sigh" after a meal well enjoyed. But most people get tired of things they eat often and that's what I think IE teaches. When I get home I would really like to exercise more because sometimes I feel like and old lady at 60. I can't be in the sun so I usually garden at sunset. But I think I need more. I think this is exactly why my own weight is kinda stalled. When I was on the SCF program they stressed getting in exercise and I strove to walk 1/2 hour daily. (Didn't always happen.) :p I think this kept the weight coming off steadily for me. I'd like to get back into that and see what happens.

Hey everybody! Welcome seattlejules!

I would LOVE to just eat as much as my body needs for fuel then stop! So I hear people talking about a "program," so what else is involved other than only eating when hungry, and then only until nourished? Also, did I hear that some blend this program with others? Anybody (for example) count calories or go to OA at the same time? I tried to count carbs for a while while eating intuitively but it backfired. It only reinforced the whole diet thing and it didn't work for me. Now, I just try to eat what I like, and eat a variety of foods. "Junk" foods have taken a back seat to healthier choices because I just tend to enjoy them more but they do have their place and I do still eat them. I think the old adage "everything in moderation" applies here.

Since I have close to 100 pounds to lose (OK, if I lost 100 pounds I would be at the perfect weight really) it will not be easy to exercise vigorously until I drop 25 or 30 pounds, which I have done in a short time in the past following pretty balanced eating programs. But like most who lose weight quickly, I've put every bit back on along with additional pounds.

So I am new here today. Any suggestions? IE is really a lot of trial and error and lots of patience to see what will work for you. This thread is a great resource for seeing how others have walked this walk. My own experience with IE is pretty well documented here at 3FC. I've experienced a lot of lows along the way and have shared many of them. And lots of victories are shared here as well. I would have to say that IE is not another "program" to lose weight but rather IE is about getting back to normal eating. Weight loss can be a result, but I think most people eating intuitively tend to lose it slower, at least that seems to be the case.

Thanks ~~ Julie

Truffle
09-01-2009, 03:07 PM
I haven't read this thread in awhile, but there are some very interesting posts here recently.

I think once our systems get messed up from too much dieting, we tend to get that way--where we crave the junky carbs, and can eat them endlessly without getting full, and without ever really craving natural, whole foods.

I've found that to be true for me over the last few years. I could live completely on grains, baked goods, candy--and I've gone MONTHS without a single craving for protein, veggies, or fruit.

I do notice that when I make a point of eating "real" foods, I crave junk less.

Blue, you've got some very good insights there.

carolr3639
09-02-2009, 09:45 AM
So good to see you Becky and so many cool posts to come home to. Sooooo glad to be home and back to a routine. We've just been on too many vacations this year. The cool thing is, I haven't gained weight through it all. That has never happened before. Now if I can just get back to exercise.

carolr3639
09-03-2009, 01:44 PM
Just found this article in the NY times.

To Eat Well, Be Instinctive

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By MANDY KATZ
Published: July 15, 2009

WE all knew how to eat intuitively once: Infants don’t binge or starve themselves, and presumably, cavemen didn’t either. But instincts become twisted in an environment where you can hold a Twinkie in one hand and the remote in the other, surrounded by images of skinny starlets.

After near-lifetimes of restricted consumption, practiced dieters find it takes a concentrated effort to learn how to answer to their appetites through a practice often called “intuitive eating.”

Intuitive eating involves returning to basic drives, dispensing with the notion of “good” or “bad” foods and rules about when to eat. Absent a fear of deprivation, the philosophy holds, one’s hunger and taste cues — rather than cognitive rules — provide the most trustworthy guide toward balanced, healthy eating.

Kate Harding, an ex-dieter and an author of “Lessons From the Fat-O-Sphere,” said eating intuitively did not come easily for her at first. But eventually, she said, “If you’re actually listening to your body, instead of the voices in your head, you won’t be inclined to eat yourself sick very often.”

Intuitive eating works only when coupled with weight-neutrality, Ms. Harding said. “The first step is to take away all the moralizing and shame,” she said. To that end, she suggested, “Why not buy some clothes that fit you and turn off the TV a little bit?”

At bottom, eating is, or should be, “a basic process,” she said.

praterteaches
09-03-2009, 09:04 PM
Wow, thanks Carol, Truffle, and especially Blue.
Very interesting stuff. I'm glad to hear others thinking and feeling the same way I do.

I really feel better when I eat healthy and I'm more satisfied. Now I just have to incorporate that into intuitive eating. It's tricky because the moment I think about eating healthy, I then feel guilty about eating sugar.

I am starting a "program" called Women to Women. It is for women who have trouble with peri and post menopause. Besides overeating I have entered menopause with all kinds of problems, (another reason make healthier choices). I am hoping to include their guidelines for eating into intuitive eating.

Ryanne
09-03-2009, 09:31 PM
I do this type of eating. I eat when I am hungry and stop when satisfied. I am following dr. advice about what to eat and have incorportated that into my demand feeding. I didn't realize this thread was here.

carolr3639
09-04-2009, 09:58 AM
Sure you can Ryanne. We are all still learning here. I've been hungrier lately and I'm wondering if it is because of the cooler weather. Seems to happen every year. But at least now I'm steadily going down and not regaining the way I used to. I hope to keep adding more exercise but my abs are so worn out that I can't do one set up or push up. That's my goal, being able to do a few.

JulieJ08
09-04-2009, 10:15 AM
Sure you can Ryanne. We are all still learning here. I've been hungrier lately and I'm wondering if it is because of the cooler weather. Seems to happen every year.

:rofl: Sorry, I couldn't help it, we've been 100 degrees all week. But I'm sure my time is coming :o

carolr3639
09-04-2009, 03:59 PM
Glad I'm not where it is 100!

praterteaches
09-04-2009, 11:49 PM
Ryanne, thanks for the reply. I think enjoying our food and not feeling deprived is so important. That is why I love the concept of intuitive eating.

I also understand that I have a serious addiction to carbs, probably a hormone imbalance as well. Eating small amounts of carbs all day long just leaves me hungry and moody.

The program I am doing suggests eating below 56 carbs a day, and I am afraid of getting back in the counting dieting mentality instead of just learning what my body needs and wants.

carolr3639
09-06-2009, 06:08 PM
Pratertheaches, everyone is different so maybe you're body operates best on less carbs. I notice the less I pay attention to that kind of thing, however, the better it goes for me.

Truffle
09-07-2009, 02:03 PM
So good to see you Becky and so many cool posts to come home to. Sooooo glad to be home and back to a routine. We've just been on too many vacations this year. The cool thing is, I haven't gained weight through it all. That has never happened before. Now if I can just get back to exercise.

Thank you, Carol. I haven't had much time to read here this summer because we've had some of our grandsons here for most of it. It was a wonderfully busy summer with them, but now school has started and everyone has gone home, so I should be able to catch up here again more often.

Pratertheaches, everyone is different so maybe you're body operates best on less carbs. I notice the less I pay attention to that kind of thing, however, the better it goes for me.

This is true for me too. The less I worry about counting, what kinds of foods I'm eating, the scale, etc.--the better off I seem to be.

Truffle
09-07-2009, 02:13 PM
We had three of our grandsons here this summer, ranging in age from 15 to 11. These young men are extremely active and always on the go.

Having them here with us really pointed up for me my incredible lack of energy, and just how hard it is to remain active at my size.

Our weather has cooled off quite a bit over the last couple of weeks, so I've started wearing my pedometer again, trying to increase my daily steps, which will, in turn, increase my energy and stamina. It might even help me whittle my waist just a tiny bit.

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to be in better shape the next time I get to see all my grandchildren. It's tempting to try to "diet" to do this, but I know that just doesn't work for me any more.

Instead, I'll concentrate on intuitive eating, walking as much as I can, and staying as active in other ways as I can.

I hope you're all enjoying a nice Labor Day. :)

carolr3639
09-08-2009, 08:30 AM
Sounds like a good plan, Becky. I have trouble with energy, too, but I think it is because of illness. My creatinine is up again but my blood calcium is normal so now to decide what to do. I have no insurance and I know my Dh can afford it but it stills seems like such a waist of money when doctors don't really know what to do for me. Please pray for me. Thanks.

praterteaches
09-08-2009, 11:22 AM
Truffle, I have a similar goal. I want to be 150 lbs when I turn 55 June 2010! That will be about a 40lb weight loss for me in a year, which I think is attainable, that comes out to a lb a week. If I'm not quite there I will be happy just to be a peace with food, and to have lost at least 20-30 lbs.
I have a lot of minor problems that cause weight gain (besides overeating). I have been going through a somewhat early menopause since I was about 47 years old. I'm pretty sure I have a hormone imbalance. I didn't have a period for 3 straight years and then out of the blue, I had one period.

I don't have any health insurance and even when I did the doctors basically told me my problems were psycological. I have decided to follow a natural method of balancing my hormones and losing weight. I am doing a program called Women to Women. I take vitamin and herbal supplements. There is also an eating plan which I am following loosely along with trying to stay with eating intuitively. I must say that in the 4 days of starting this program I am having zero cravings for chocolate or other sweets. As long as I am satisfied with my meals and snacks and I can continue to eat when I feel hungry, I think this may work for me.

carolr3639
09-08-2009, 07:48 PM
Can you tell us a little about the program.....women to women?

praterteaches
09-09-2009, 05:29 PM
Yes Carol, I can. This is a website called womentowomen.com It's all about helping women to to get healthy naturally. They focus on ten common ailments that women suffer with.

1. menopause
2. menstruation
3. healthy weight
4. sexuality and fertility
5. thyroid
6. adrenal fatigue
7. osteoporosis
8. insulin resistance
9. heart disease
10.breast health

There are online quizzes you can take to help you figure out what type of program you need. This website is run by 2 women who are doctors and have a clinic for women on the east coast.

I looked them up on BBB and they have an A+ rating with 2 of 3 complaints that were positively resolved.

If the program doesn't work or you don't get the results you hoped for you can get your money back.

I am on the hormone balance program that encourages weight loss and healthy eating. I take supplements every morning and evening. They are nutritional and herbal.

I have been reading stuff on this site for over a year and decided that although it's not cheap (about $70 a month) it's cheaper than going to the doctor and trying to get tests done, etc.

So far, I am doing well and I can start to see some differences. My mind is clearer, and I am not having any cravings.

carolr3639
09-13-2009, 06:36 PM
Thanks, Prater. Things are slow here again. That's ok. IE can be a slow journey. How does the old saying go, "Slow and steady wins the race."

Ryanne
09-14-2009, 09:46 AM
This is true for me too. The less I worry about counting, what kinds of foods I'm eating, the scale, etc.--the better off I seem to be.

Exactly my reasoning, too. The less "rules" I have, the easier it is for me. I am a "rule breaker" and I don't mean to be...I just am. So if I have no "rules".... I'm fine. :joker:

praterteaches
09-14-2009, 06:47 PM
Even tho I am following a recommended eating plan, I am still incorporating intuitive eating. One thing I knew I couldn't do was to tell myself that I can't have this or that. I'm not eating sugar, but after about 12 days I find myself without a desire for sweets. Now that is a major miracle.

Blue Serenity
09-15-2009, 01:44 PM
Hi everyone! :wave:

Just checking in. I've been super busy the past week and can finally sit down and catch my breath. lol I'm still doing good about eating intuitively and I'm still maintaining my weight. Not the result I had hoped for, but I know what I need to tweak it: get some exercise. Now just to do it and stop just saying I'm going to do it.

Well, that's all for now. Have a great one! :sunny:

Ryanne
09-18-2009, 01:27 PM
Our whole family eats this way, and we have for a while, recently, I went to the doc and he told me to up my green leafies and oats and monounsaturated fats, and to reduce saturated fats...that's fine. I tried to get on a healthy eating regime and follow heart healthy ways of eating, but it is toooooooooooooooooo much food for me. I started noticing a big waste of fresh fruits and vegies...and well, that is money we don't have to just waste.
I have gone back to buying a lot of frozen fruits and vegies, and sometimes fresh fruits like organic grapes or strawberries, but I tend to end up freezing them anyway. I just wondered how some of you with families buy in bulk to save money, but don't waste food because nobody really eats much...if that makes sense?
I want the savings, I don't want the waste and to keep everything frozen all the time is a little inconvenient as far as preparation for when you are hungry and individual portions in bags in the freezer takes up so much room and the only freezer I have is the one on the fridge...so I could use some help or ideas here, cuz I am running out of ideas.:dizzy:

carolr3639
09-18-2009, 06:00 PM
Ryanne, Do you live a long way from the store? Since it is only my Dh and I now, I try not to stock up too much. I'm a 2 miles from a small store but it has about everything. I go to Walmart sometimes. Garden produce is keeping me supplied right now .........love those tomatoes. Winter will be a different story although I can a lot . Today I ate 2 brownies in a row and felt yuck. I said to myself,....I won't do that again.

Blue Serenity
09-19-2009, 09:45 AM
I go the frozen route, too. Haven't bought fresh broccoli in a long time! Unfortuntaely, since I live with picky eaters, I end up throwing out a lot of uneaten food. I get in the (bad) habit of eating whatever everybody else wants to eat and don't eat the fresh stuff when I do buy it cause I'm the only one who will eat it! :mad:

Here's a thought, have you tried the "green bags?" I have some of these and they do seem to help keep food longer. (Only problem I've found is that I tend to get lazy about using my bags and I'm back to square one.:dizzy:) One suggestion someone told me, if you use them, do not put bananas in them, even tho they advertise putting bananas in them, I am told they stink really bad when in the bags and taste even worse.

Also, I buy lots of canned fruit. Not exactly pocket-book-friendly, but it sure keeps better than fresh. I'm not the biggest fruit eater (tho I like them) so fresh fruits tend to sit in the fridge and eventually I throw them out. They make lots of those single serving fruit cups with applesauce, pears, peaches, etc. Nothing beats the fresh stuff tho! I love a fresh tree-ripe peach! Mmmmm!

I would hate to see how much money I've wasted throwing out uneaten food that was bought with good intentions! *sigh*

Truffle
09-20-2009, 01:32 PM
I'm right there with you on having to throw out fresh produce that doesn't get eaten. I toss it onto our compost pile, which takes a *little* bit of the guilt away, but I hate wasting money that way.

For me, one of the problems is that produce just doesn't taste the way it used to when I was growing up. I grew up on a farm, and probably got spoiled because we had all sorts of garden fresh veggies and fruits--and they always tasted delicious.

Nowadays, it seems like all the produce tastes like cardboard, and half of it's already starting to rot by the time you get it home. There's no pleasure in trying to eat the suggested quota of fruits and vegetables when there's no flavor to it; the item was picked green and artificially ripened; trucked thousands of miles; and the texture is gross.

We didn't even get much from our garden this year because the weather was so bad here in Vermont. Everything got hit with the blight. I don't think we had more than half a dozen tomatoes. The rest rotted on the vines. :(

When we do eat vegetables here, it's usually frozen ones. I try to keep a bunch in the freezer.

I'm going to try to make more homemade soups this fall and winter, to see if I can increase our veggie consumption.

I'm afraid I'm not much help on your question though, Ryanne.

carolr3639
09-21-2009, 10:31 AM
Oh, Becky. I wish you lived closer. I have bushels of the most delicious tomatoes....also beans, broccoli, cauliflower, zucchini, etc. The tomatoes are my favorite and I have been canning like mad. Soup sounds so good and last night I made some tomato soup from just juice and soy milk. Yum.

Ryanne
09-21-2009, 02:23 PM
I guess I will stick to my frozen fruits and vegies. I can share a watermelon with my ex husband, I'm sure he would enjoy it since he doesn't buy very many fresh fruits and vegies either, it is hard to spend money on stuff you just can't keep long enough and end up having to throw it out. Doesn't make sense either. The other day when he picked up my daughter, I sent him some lunch and some bananas that I knew we wouldn't be able to eat. He sometimes brings stuff from his garden, peppers and tomatoes, which if I get my behind in gear, can get em washed and cut up and frozen, but sad to say, I have thrown out my share of cucumbers and bell peppers and tomatoes this summer. Sigh.
:sorry:

sidhe
09-22-2009, 11:28 AM
I've read through to page 10 of this thread, and I have to say I already :love: you guys...and I have so much to say! I hope you don't mind me jumping in here. I'm so excited about this!

A little about me: I've fought my weight it seems like all my life (since I was about 8, anyway). I was always "bigger" than everyone else--I've been 5'9" tall since I was 13, and that's the year I started wearing a size 10 women's shoe and a 36D bra, too. I have one very scarring memory of being weighed by the school nurse that year, too, and I was 196 pounds. I've tried all the diet plans, read all the books (haven't we all?), even flirted with IE a couple of times but never managed to get past the diet mentality. I never quite learned the difference between "eat what you want" and "go hog wild". ;)

Now, though, I think this is a step I need to take. I desperately want freedom from food and thinking about food and judging myself and thinking and plotting and calculating and...you get the picture. I've been working really hard in therapy with regard to the issues of self-judgment and "measuring up", and feeling like I'm never good enough and never RIGHT enough so why even try? Lately (for the last 3 weeks) I've been trying to tell myself that whatever I want to eat is fine, as much as I want is fine, "eat what you want, no judgment, and move on". I can't do anything that involves measuring or counting or calculating anymore, I just can't. If there's a right answer then there's a wrong answer, and I hurt myself too much when I go down those paths.

I am also a physical therapy assistant, and I know a lot about exercise and fitness! I never got the "diet" part "right", though, and constantly beat myself up for appearing stupid (badly educated, if you will). But I do believe in the inherent wisdom of the body, and I do believe my body knows how to take care of itself. If only my mind could get out of my body's way!

I have gone to OA (was abstinent for about 20 months), and have learned some things about my body. My body really doesn't like wheat. It does better with whole wheat in smaller quantities, but I get really bloated, sluggish, sleepy, and hungry when I eat refined wheat products. I'm also lactose intolerant, but I do okay if I have milk pills. Highly processed foods (with colorants and preservatives and unpronouncable ingredients) make me feel icky. Can't really describe it, it's just...icky.

I believe that all these things are also my body's way of trying to communicate with me regarding what I'm eating. So yeah emotionally it's okay if I want to eat a donut, but my tummy will be bloated and sore, my head and eyes will hurt (I get headaches from sugar), and my mouth will be sticky and coated in fat. Eeeeewwww. I'm trying to listen to the "other" signals, too, and not just "tummy full now" feelings.

This morning I really wanted an orange when I woke up. Dunno why, but the thought of the orange sitting on my counter made me happy. So I made myself a pot of tea and peeled my orange, and had a very content, very pleasing breakfast.

I'm thrilled there is a group here for this, and I really hope you'll let me join! :)

JulieJ08
09-22-2009, 11:41 AM
Welcome, Sidhe!

A lot of people think this is nuts because they think it's about "go hog wild" :dizzy:

I totally agree it's about listening to all your signals, giving each it's place, not more, not less.

carolr3639
09-22-2009, 12:04 PM
Sidhe, Hope you join right in with your inspiring posts.:welcome3:

Blue Serenity
09-22-2009, 03:12 PM
Welcome, Sidhe! We're glad to have you with us. :)

Speaking of signals, I think I've been ignoring lots of mine lately. Sometimes that diet mentality just creeps back in and I feel like I have to keep eating even tho I'm not hungry and sometimes even feel uncomfortably full, like last night for dinner. I made some really yummy spaghetti (with white pasta) and it always bloats me and I always eat way too much of it, but I just love it so much! It's hard to stop at full! But the worst part is I *know* how refined flour affects me, too, but I love to eat it anyways. But, not gonna beat myself up about it, just move on! On the other hand, I understand how important satisfaction is in a meal, too. Just like you described with your orange and tea breakfast! Each and every day sure is a learning experience.

Truffle, I agree, garden fresh fruits and veggies are best! My parents have had a garden for as long as I can remember so I've been blessed with lots of their garden goodies over the years! We also take day trips to see the country scenery and visit orchards in the fall to get apples, that's always a treat (tho I always end up with way more apples than I can handle! lol)

sidhe
09-22-2009, 11:33 PM
So! My orange-and-tea breakfast was a great success! Midmorning I was hungry so I had a cucumber sandwich. Looked at some properties (we're trying to buy a house), then went to lunch with my husband so we could talk about them. He wanted a sandwich but I wasn't that hungry (and I can't tolerate that much bread well--in addition to my cucumber sandwich on high-fiber bread it wouldn't have been pretty!). I looked over the menu and was kind of lost. Didn't want a sandwich, definitely didn't want anything hot, and I wasn't *hugely* hungry. Then I noticed there was an "all day breakfast" menu, and I found myself with a yummy bowl of granola and plain yogurt. I ate my meal and was very content. :)

For the afternoon I went to the gym and did a workout that made me very happy. I spent time this time just like last time, reassuring myself that whatever I did was right and that I was okay.

The interesting part started when I got home. I didn't want to eat. I had this running dialogue in my head that involved the need for me to eat something to preserve my muscle and help my body recover and rebuild damaged tissues and blah blah blah...but I really didn't feel hungry, so I didn't eat. :dizzy:

Then for dinner I really intensely wanted salad. This Asian Fusion salad that I had in the fridge. I made half of it and it was delightful, and I really wanted the rest of it. But there was this voice in my head telling me that I shouldn't eat so much salad and that I shouldn't have any more, that I should find "something else" if I was still hungry. I picked up that package, turned it over, and was reading the nutritional info to start adding up calories. I stopped myself and made up the rest of the salad and threw the package away. After I finished my salad I waited a few minutes. I was still hungry and found a Healthy Choice meal in the freezer that complimented the salad fantastically. Veggies and rice and lean beef and a gingery sauce. I was amazed that I could taste the ginger.

So here I am. I'm trying to decide if I'm actually hungry again or if I'm content. I WAS content but that was just on salad and veggies and the barest bit of beef--more than an hour ago. But is that diet thinking? What am I trying to do, eat by the rules or eat by my body's needs??

Guess I have my answer! I'll eat more later if I'm hungry. :)

JulieJ08
09-22-2009, 11:42 PM
Nice job :)

Blue Serenity
09-23-2009, 08:25 AM
Sounds like you had a very successful day Sidhe!

The interesting part started when I got home. I didn't want to eat. I had this running dialogue in my head that involved the need for me to eat something to preserve my muscle and help my body recover and rebuild damaged tissues and blah blah blah...but I really didn't feel hungry, so I didn't eat. :dizzy:

Isn't it amazing the voices we have to learn to shut out?! It's almost like the more we armed ourselves in the past with "knowledge" about diet and exercise the more voices we have to learn to ignore now doing IE. It all sounds good and logical when you're dieting and trying to follow a set of rules, but try putting those same rules on a toddler at dinner time who isn't hungry. They just WON'T eat! With all our "knowledge" kids just do naturally what we should do and have to work hard at sometimes!

Good job listening to the right "voices." :bravo:

sidhe
09-23-2009, 11:32 AM
Any wisdom anyone who's been doing this longer can offer would be greatly appreciated. :)

I totally understand the idea that my body will ask for food when it's hungry, and ask for just as much as it needs. What I'm kind of struggling with is the idea that I will lose weight. Won't my body ask for as much food as it needs to maintain itself where it is now? How does this work, really? Or is it something I just need to take on faith?

Whatever happens to my body, though, I can't go back to counting. It drives me nuts and it takes me away from everything else in my life. I'm working on accepting that I am who I am, with all my faults and imperfections. Taking a deep breath, listening to my body, and moving on. :)

carolr3639
09-23-2009, 12:16 PM
I've noticed with IE that you want less as time goes on. I used to eat a big and tasty meal at McDonalds and now I can only eat a happy meal....stuff like that. Not that I eat out that much but that's the gist of it. I have one problem now and that is that I get hungry in the middle of the night and can't sleep. Maybe I'm not eating enough in the day. Since I have lost nearly 40 lb I really am not that concerned anymore about that part. I still could lose another 20 but then people would be saying I was too thin though that's what I weighed in hs.

Blue Serenity
09-23-2009, 12:19 PM
I totally understand the idea that my body will ask for food when it's hungry, and ask for just as much as it needs. What I'm kind of struggling with is the idea that I will lose weight. Won't my body ask for as much food as it needs to maintain itself where it is now? How does this work, really? Or is it something I just need to take on faith?

What you say makes sense. That was the same question I had a hard time wrapping my mind around, too. We've been so conditioned to "doing" something to change something that I think we automatically assume this to be true with weight-loss, too. And maybe it is. But my own experiences have taught me that what I "do" doesn't have to be extreme. (i.e. daily hour-long workouts and going to bed hungry, etc.)

Here's what I've experienced ...

The first time I truly stuck with an IE program (I say "program" because at that time I was following a 60-day Biblical program which incorporated IE into it) I did very well with it. I payed close attention to my hunger and fullness signals and as the program called for, did my daily devotions and questions and answers and I tried to get my daily 30 minute walk in, tho the walk didn't always happen. On the physical aspect of the program, eating IE and walking, lets say 30 minutes 3 to 4 times a week, I managed to lose almost 20 pounds. Of course all that ended when the "program" ended and so in the end it was like I had been following just another diet because I didn't keep up with it once the official program ended.

Flash forward to this time around ... I am not following any type of program at all. I have read the IE book and am taking what I have read to heart, but not treating everything I read as a rule to follow. I ditched dieting about a year ago. In that time I have struggled a lot with becoming free from diet mentality. (Still have bouts with it here and there.) Anyhow, since starting IE, I gained 10 pounds and since getting my mind around IE better I have dropped those 10 pounds (naturally without exercise), tho my weight does bounce around by 1-3 pounds, which I consider normal. Soooo, said all that to say that I am happily (?) maintaining about where I was when I joined 3FC. Not exactly where I envisioned myself just over a year ago, but ... I'm not gaining and I'm not going bonkers counting calories or carbs or shunning foods I love, etc. The FREEDOM I have gained in this last year has been well worth it despite the fact that here I sit at the same weight I was a year ago.

But back to exercise ... this time around I'm not pushing myself to follow a program like I was before so I have been much more lax with the eating and certainly less diligent about getting exercise. And my results are expected, I'm maintaining, not losing. I've also been somewhat inactive this summer so I would say that is definitely contributing to my lack of weight-loss. I have this gut feeling that if I get back into a 30 minute 3 to 4 time a week walking
routine (which I keep telling myself I need to do) that the scale will start moving again.

Well, I don't know if I've answered your question, but I do understand it. I think IE makes the assumption that 1) people are playing by the "rules" and 2) they are not couch potatoes in order to say that the weight will naturally come off. I've personally been a slacker in both of those areas, so I'm just maintaining at the moment. (Stress and depression will do that and this has been a doozy of a year for me.)

Anyhow, hope that helps. :)

Have a great one everyone! :sunny:

JulieJ08
09-23-2009, 12:25 PM
I think the idea is that first you end the yo-yoing and the "last-supper" eating. Just being stable and actually free of those two things is a big deal. Then you can start hearing your body's need for whole grains and veggies and some daily activity better and I think you do slim down naturally.

Personally, I don't think there's anything unnatural about realizing you've gained a little and therefore cutting back a little at times. Or doing so on a day-to-day basis after some indulgent meals, so that you don't gain in the first place. That's a big part of the so-called French way of eating. But I think you have to mentally be in a pretty healthy place with food to be able to do that without sabotaging yourself.

Blue Serenity
09-23-2009, 12:25 PM
Carol, that's so awesome that you've lost 40 pounds naturally with IE.

When the weight was coming off steadily for me my nightly hunger was my cue that I was on target and I could count on the scale going down. I can remember evenings just before bed when my tummy would say "Hey, how about a little snack?" and I'd reply "Sure. How about a nice orange scone from Panera's?" lol I don't get the night time hungries as much as I did then, but I sure do like it when I do. Makes me feel like it's been a good day of not overeating!

PS. Agreed, Julie.

sidhe
09-23-2009, 11:47 PM
Oh, orange scones from Panera would drive me nuts! Headache and gut-ache and twitchy legs when I was trying to sleep...my body definitely doesn't like that sort of thing!

Now to work on convincing my brain it doesn't like them either... ;)

Today was an otherwise occupied, busy day. A friend and I got breakfast at a coffeeshop by her place and I did well at listening to my body. I even left food on my plate because I wasn't hungry anymore! :D Then we went to Bodyworlds which was just coooool, and got a late lunch (around 3). It's been really hot and dry and I desperately wanted veggies. So I had a huge plate of steamed veggies, beans, and brown rice, and a pineapple tamale for "dessert". Yum yum! It was a great new place, a vegan/vegetarian place in a hip part of town. If I wanted veggies, that was the place to go.

Have been cooking beans all day and came home to a late dinner of beans and cornbread. Tummy is content. It's been a good day. :)

JulieJ08
09-24-2009, 11:41 AM
and a pineapple tamale for "dessert".

Oh, I never heard of such a thing. Sounds good :)

sidhe
09-24-2009, 11:55 AM
Oh, I never heard of such a thing. Sounds good :)

I had never heard of such a thing, either, which is why I had to try it when I saw it on the menu! :lol: It was a tamale with about...oh, a few raisins mixed in (not like a filling, as part of the tamale batter) and then a pineapple "salsa" (not spicy) on top. I took one bite and looked at my friend and said, "oh, it's dessert!" and saved it til the end of the meal. It wouldn't have mixed well, flavor-wise, with veggies and beans and brown rice. ;)

Has anyone noticed that their tastebuds are a lot sharper now? Lately (like I said in my intro, I've been trying to eat what I want without judgment for about 3 weeks now) I've noticed that my tastebuds are through the roof! Like the ginger in the microwave meal the other night, or the veggies yesterday. For some reason I could really taste the cauliflower, I don't know why. But it seems like everything is a lot more flavorful. And the things I don't like I REALLY don't like! :lol: I can't stand aftertastes, either--I won't touch Splenda. I find myself going through menus thinking about what the foods will taste like and how strongly the flavors might affect me, and choosing my food on that basis. It's very odd to me, to primarily chose my food based on what it tastes like instead of if it's a "good" choice or not! :lol:

Off to do some printing and then see some more houses. Have a good day, all!

theCandEs
09-24-2009, 06:00 PM
Hello, everybody!
Well, here is my story. I read the IE book about 3 years ago. I gained a few pounds after starting, then I lost back down to my original weight. I stayed the same for a year or so, then I got fed up and started The South Beach Diet. I lost 10 pounds and when it came time to add the carbs back in, I haven't lost any since. I feel like IE has "ruined" me for any "diet" :p because hate to be hungry now. Before, I would just push through the hunger until I didn't feel it anymore. Then, of course, I would rebound and gain everything I lost back. The thing is I really, really want to lose weight! And, I don't want to be hungry while I am doing it. But, IE did not help me lose, although I am a great maintainer. I've maintained my 10 pounds lost from doing SB.

I guess what I want to know is, is anyone losing doing IE? Maybe I will give it another go if you all are losing, too.

carolr3639
09-24-2009, 06:27 PM
Welcome CandEs. I'm getting close to losing 50 lb but it has taken 2 yr. It does really free you up from food obsession. Sometimes sweets really don't appeal and that never happened before.

sidhe
09-24-2009, 08:41 PM
Welcome candes. :) I can't tell you if I've lost anything, I've been avoiding the scale and haven't been "doing this" very long yet, anyway.

I'm feeling my way through applying these philosophies, but really what makes sense to me is the old thing about moderation. I'm trying to make good, reasonable eating decisions each time my body tells me it's hungry, and I try to really focus on how my body responds to the foods I give it. I'm also trying to not beat myself up when I make a decision to eat something that probably isn't the healthiest. It was a long, painful time in getting to the point where I could follow a program that many other people are able to follow without all the drama. I feel, though, that I know what I need to know now and I'm in a good (very accepting) place mentally.

I'm trying to back off and let my body become what it will become. I'm doing all my activities, trying to listen to what my body wants/needs, and seeing what happens. If my body gets thinner, great. If it doesn't, it doesn't. To be completely honest I won't be thrilled and content if my body doesn't gradually get (at least a bit) smaller, but I can't keep doing what I was doing to myself. I can't keep beating my head against that spike of judgment. My brain obviously doesn't know what's right for me. Reading all the diet books--nope. Trying all the plans--nope. Trying to force my body into someone else's idea of what's good and appropriate for it--nope. Those things don't work for me. I've proven that. So now the body gets to run the show.

Wow, that got heavy! :o On that note...welcome again, candes. :^: