100 lb. Club - Ok--so the honeymoon "rush" is over--now what?

Alana in Canada
06-05-2009, 05:40 PM
The thrill is gone. Now, it's just the slog ahead.

Man, I can hear you all now,

"Where is that girl's fortitude? Her perseverance? Good grief, it isn't even a full two weeks of the intitial committment yet--and not even a WEEK of eating on plan, and already she's bored? Already, she's freaking out that for the rest of her life lunch is going to consist of wraps with shredded carrots and spinach (among other things, but those two are constant). Tsk Tsk."

Say it isn't so.

06-05-2009, 05:52 PM
You can certainly swap out different things for lunch. Most people find it convenient to make the same things, but your choices are unlimited. Even though the weather is technically warmer (yeah right) I had a big serving of beefy minestrone soup today with (homemade/high protein) cheese bread and an apple. When I'm tired of soup for lunch I'm likely to go back to roast beef and lettuce on a whole grain wrap. Although last summer I was making veggie/pasta salad, which was nice.

I tend to be a tough love kind of gal. I'm not sure what your usual lunches were, but, no you likely won't be able to go back to your old way of eating. For most people (myself included) that's what put on the weight in the first place.

06-05-2009, 06:25 PM
It's pretty early in. You're not quite in a groove yet. Your good and new habits have not developed yet. Your tastes haven't changed. You're still craving "those foods". Your desire for them has not dried up yet. But they will.

And you haven't had a chance to find NEW foods that you LOVE and adore, so that you're not missing your OLD foods. It's going to take some time till you find new recipes and food ideas.

You haven't seen any *real* results yet - your dress size isn't going down, the compliments aren't coming, you probably don't feel much lighter. In other words, the rewards are not yet surfacing. But hang tight, stick with it and they will. They will.

06-05-2009, 06:27 PM
What now? Now you get to experiment with different recipes, different proteins. Finding new healthy foods that you LOVE and look forward to just as much as the junk. Some days is it slog? Totally. Most days it's an adventure though... you just have to make it one!

06-05-2009, 06:33 PM
When you zip up that smaller pair of jeans you will get a HEAD RUSH! :) Keep thinking about THAT!

the final countdown
06-05-2009, 06:35 PM
I think just by posting you are still on the right track. Have you tried jounaling to write out some of the positive things that will change if you continue down the path - either one? I decided that once I reached goal a certain (too be determined) prince charming was going to take me an amusement park where I can go on any ride I want not worrying about if I will be too big. I'm not saying it's going to happen, it was just to do some positive visualization.

I am with you sometimes the food can be boring and for me I have to take the focus away from the food. A new hobby (I'm trying to learn how to sew). Or I put on my headphones and clean that way I can't hear the evil one wisper in my ear.

Junk food taste good that's all it can give you. It won't solve any problems or make you feel better about yourself. On the other hand if you stay in control and committed to you and healty eating, you, we, I will feel better about ourselves and give our bodies what it need to carry us into a better future.

If you quit today where will you be in a year. If you stick with it where will you be in a year.

Alana in Canada
06-05-2009, 06:40 PM
Oh yeah--lunch used to be Kraft-Dinner. (I'm at home with the kids.) Or frozen breaded chicken nuggets. But even the oven "fried" roasted potatoes are off the menu now.

I've chosen to follow a 1600 calorie/day portion control plan designed by Bob Greene (yeah, of Oprah fame).

I crunched some of the numbers today and it breaks down like this:

720 calories or 45% carbs. (Fruit, veg and grain)
225 calories or 14% fat, and
655 calories or 41% protein (dairy and "meat")

I'm not sure why I'm telling you all this. I think I could go for a big batch of soup for supper.It's cold and dreary out there. (But then how do I work in my protein??? I have to eat 4 more oz today).

Alana in Canada
06-05-2009, 06:46 PM
Sorry, I wrote all the baove when there weren't quite so many responses. I do think it's about discovering new food. The last four and 1/2 days "on plan" have been very interesting--I'm already falling into predictable ruts. (Not that I didn't when my eating habits were bad...the food was just different and I didn't care. I could "enjoy" myself with a piece of cheesecake!

Of course it doesn't help my 8 year old daughter keeps nagging me to make carrot cake. (I bought the cream cheese for the icing--full fat--last week before I realised I was "ready" for the change! I have 3 servings of Jello made up in the fridge to satisfy a sweet tooth I had last week--and I want some, but I'm not sure how to count it--as a fruit? And of course I want a dollop of whipped cream on it--though I could use on of my "fats" for it.)


06-05-2009, 06:48 PM
Well, I eat a slightly lower percentage of protein (30+) and let the other macros fall where they will. I also eat a little more. :)

However, make that big batch of soup for dinner and cook whatever protein you were planning. Then take your serving of soup and shred in (or chop) the meat. I usually make 'chock-full-of protein' soup, but then if you want a low calorie 'add on' it's usually too high in cals.

06-05-2009, 06:51 PM
I'm not quite sure about the carrot cake, but I've managed to lighten up a number of baked goods (and nobody ever guesses). You can substitute most (but not all) of the fat with applesauce, and use either less sugar, or a sugar/sugar substitute blend. I admit I also use soy flour and sometimes protein powder (but they both change the texture a fair bit and took a couple of attempts before I found a good balance).

The icing, you'd probably have to skip (or scrap most of it off). But remember, reinventing high cal treats into low cal treats is an adventure in itself.

Alana in Canada
06-05-2009, 07:51 PM
Thanks Anne.

Rockin'Robin--you got it! I've noticed you have a gift with words. You just have the most amazing ability to hit the nail on the head--every single time. Yep, that's where I'm at.

So, I'm trying out Glory's Minestrone Soup for supper. I love cheese with it, usually, so I may have a couple of ounces.

I may let my daughter and her friend make the carrot cake tomorrow afternoon --and then persuade the friend to take home 1/2 the cake. I'm not quite "ready" to start messing with recipes for baked goods. In time, perhaps (though I already substitute 1/2 the oil for applesauce. It calls for a whopping 1/2 cup!!)

The journaling is a good idea, too. I just thought today that I'm looking forward to being able to put on my socks and shoes with ease.

06-05-2009, 07:54 PM
Hmmm. Just thinking it's a little bit early on in the game to try experimenting with baked goods. For me, that is killer and without a doubt just about the hardest thing to resist. I went months and months and months before I baked anything at home. I'd throw away the cream cheese, or vow to use it for something else. If your DD insists on carrot cake and you decide she should have it, I 'd buy one of those prepackaged singular serving ones. Remember - it is imperative to set yourself up for success. Don't throw needless temptation your way.

And jello is definitely not a fruit.

As far as the percentages go, the only numbers I really strive to hit - day in and day out - is my calories consumed. Of course I make sure that those calories are nutrient rich ones, and that I eat protein and fiber often (just about every meal/snack) but I don't sweat the other numbers - fats, carbs, proteins. Counting my calories - and being choosy - takes care of everything else.

Alana in Canada
06-05-2009, 07:58 PM
And jello is definitely not a fruit.


(It's funny, I never, ever eat the stuff. It's ironic I even have it.)

06-05-2009, 08:17 PM
Hmmm. Just thinking it's a little bit early on in the game to try experimenting with baked goods. For me, that is killer and without a doubt just about the hardest thing to resist. I went months and months and months before I baked anything at home. I'd throw away the cream cheese, or vow to use it for something else. If your DD insists on carrot cake and you decide she should have it, I 'd buy one of those prepackaged singular serving ones. Remember - it is imperative to set yourself up for success. Don't throw needless temptation your way.

True. I tend to forget these things as I'm not really a cake person. I do make a chocolate zucchini cake though that I've turned into a high protein / lower fat kind of cake (using soy flour). I tend to forget it's even in the freezer (although I'll eat it a couple of days a week, daily while in school). I usually sit down the night before and plan what I'm going to eat the next day, and rarely waver, so for me if it's not on the list I don't eat it. My only truly bad days are when I don't plan ahead.

06-05-2009, 08:40 PM
everyone's different - a lot of people, after a while living the good life ;) really hate the 'old' stuff they used to eat -- me, I will always love mashed potatoes and gravy LOL no matter what, I'll always like it. Do I always eat it? Nope. I stopped caving in to my inner spoiled brat and shoving whatever the whiny little snot demanded down my throat LOL I grew up I guess??

I wish I could say it's super easy, it'll just 'click' and you'll be finished with the hard part :( It DOES get easier, it IS more fun when you get excited about trying new stuff, and it's more fun when you can start fitting into clothes etc.

Right now, it's kinda like scrubbing the toilet when you're doing your housework - you're gonna love the end result, but for now keep your head down and plough on through!

06-05-2009, 09:01 PM
I hear you! Loud and clear!!!
The first while is full of ENTHUSIAM and 24/7 rah rah RAH and I will DO this and EFFORT and you feel GREAT because you are sacrificing...and 14 days later, you are TIRED, and WHY isn't this weight GONE and I'm sick of CARROTS and ....argghhh!!!

We all have been there.

This isn't easy, and the way I see it is when I get bored and frustrated, I think of this as a lifestyle change (not a diet) and then, even if I don't WANT to and even if I don't FEEL like it, I just count my WW points. I view it like taking medicine. I think lots of times, people with insulin-dependant diabetes don't want to measure their blood sugars or inject insulin. But they do, because if they DON'T, they could die.
PLEASE don't think I'm equating my journey with the challenges faced by a diabetic! I am just saying that I am grown UP right now, and I have to be mature enough to do what HAS to be done, or I'll die of obesity-related causes. That is what MORBIDLY OBESE means --- "death due to excess weight".

So if you don't feel like it or are bored, just suck it up and carry on, just for a week. Just one week more! And look into adding variety into your diet. And look into adding fun activities that you wouldn't normally do, just to keep motivated. The excitement WILL return. But you have to stick with it...

PM me any time!


ps I just pm'd you a Weight Watchers' Carrot Cake recipe complete with Cream Cheese Icing: 4 points per BIG slice!

Alana in Canada
06-05-2009, 09:27 PM
OK--so I left the minestrone soup simmering and went for a brisk 15 minute walk when hubby came home--that has helped.

And I felt hungry. Actual physical hunger. This is a good thing!

Wow. That soup is good. Why have I never made Minestrone soup before? My husband really enjoyed it--and my son ate up his bowl, too. That's a keeper.

Yes. So far I have been using my "plan" to help me choose my meals each day--including supper. I wanted to get a feel for what I'd have "left."

But I think it's time to turn that around and go back to proper meal planning. In the past, I would plan out an entire month's worth of suppers for 6 days a week--and then go shopping once a month to fill the freezer and the pantry. I hate doing it this way but the grocery stores here have one day a month (the first Tuesday of every month) when you get 10% off the total grocery bill.

I think I'll just start by planning the next few days or so. Trying to figure out a whole month is too overwhelming.

Thanks everyone!
I love having all of you with me on the journey!

Kira--how many calories is a weight watcher's "point'? When I followed WW in the 80's it was a portion controlled plan, of course.

06-05-2009, 09:35 PM
WW now uses a points system. You start by determining how many points you get to spend each day, and and every food is assigned a point value. Pretty much like calorie counting, except that I find it easier because I am seriously math challenged, and for me, I can keep track of 25 points easier than I can keep track of 1250 calories!
And the WW cookbooks have the points values assigned for each recipe, so I can make Orange-Beef Stirfry for 6 points, for example, and account for it in seconds rather than calculating the calories. And the points values for most fast food restaurants have also been calculated, so I know that a hamburger, small fries, and diet Coke comes to 11 points. Not that I eat there much anymore, but it IS nice to be able to account for these rare events. And points values are easier for me to keep in my noggin than the calories! Did I mention that I am math challenged???:lol:

To calculate points values, WW has a really complex formula that takes fat and fiber into account. BUT a general rule of thumb is that one WW point is approximately 50 calories. This usually works.


06-05-2009, 11:12 PM
Of course it doesn't help my 8 year old daughter keeps nagging me to make carrot cake.

Ok, this may get long so I'll try and be concise. Here's an AWESOME carrot cake recipe from Crazy Plates. The only thing is I think the sugar may be high, they don't break it down in the nutrition part of the recipe.

2.5 c flour
2 tsp cinnamon
1.5 tsp each baking powder and soda
.5 tsp salt
1.5 c packed brown sugar
1 c crushed and drained pineapple
3/4 c fat-free egg substitute or 3 whole eggs
3/4 c buttermilk
1/2 c unsweetened applesauce
1/3 c veggie oil
2 tsp vanilla
3 c grated carrots
1/2 c chopped walnuts

ICING: Betty Crocker low-fat vanilla icing tub 450 g (not sure if they make this anymore, haven't seen it for a while); 1 tbsp frozen orange juice concentrate, thawed; 1 tsp grated orange zest

-Preheat over to 350 degrees. Use 9 x 13 pan with non-stick spray -- mix first five ingredients
-then mix brown sugar, pineapple, egg, buttermilk, applesauce, oil and vanilla. Stir in carrots, then add flour mixture until blended well. Stir in walnuts.
-batter into pan and bake for 35-40 minutes

ICING: mix everything together and cool in fridge until use

Nutrition: 24 servings; 235 cals per; 5.8 grams of fat; 43.3 g carbs; .6 g sat fat

Even without the icing, I love this cake. I also drop the walnuts which should bring the numbers down further.

Oh, and I get what you mean about losing the rush. That's when the experimentation becomes crucial -- food, exercise, whatever. Just need to try new things.

mel hughes
06-05-2009, 11:14 PM
Alana-I hear you girl. Today makes 2 weeks since I started back on Weight Watchers. I am so over it already! lol Tonight I blew it and went over 15 points. Insane..But I'm going to own it, and I told my husband we needed to take the kids to the track tomorrow so I could recommit.

I think it is really hard for me in the beginning because at first I drop a few pounds (week 1 I lost 10) and then the second week I either stay the same or gain a few back. It gets discouraging. But I know it will be worth it.

I'm super picky about food, so it is hard for me to try new things. I had a bologna and cheese sandwich for lunch EVERY day this week..talk about boring.

06-05-2009, 11:58 PM
Now what, you ask? Now the real work begins.... :D

Alana in Canada
06-06-2009, 01:10 AM
Now the real work begins....


No, that's OK. I've a feeling you're absolutely right.

And Mel--bologna and cheese--EVERYDAY?? Oh my goodness. Promise me you will have something different!

06-06-2009, 12:11 PM
I agree with some of the others that you're just at the beginning of learning to cook more healthily.

I trust Cooking Light recipes to be fairly low-fat and very tasty. You may want to google "recipe, cooking light, dish" where "dish" is the everyday meal or dessert you want to learn to cook healthier.

For instance, here's an award-winning carrot cake recipe (http://find.myrecipes.com/recipes/recipefinder.dyn?action=displayRecipe&recipe_id=1696591) from Cooking Light.

What helped me a lot when I got started was to pick one or two recipes that I made for my family a lot, and find healthier versions of them. Then I began finding new recipes to try, too. One or two a month, and you'll soon be cooking the healthier versions all the time, and they'll be your "regular" recipes.

Tummy Girl
06-06-2009, 12:33 PM
I use recipezaar alot, you can search by ingredient (figure out how to get rid of that leftover that no one will eat), type of diet, low fat, low carb, whatever, and it gives a nutritional analysis of whatever the recipe is so you can see how it fits into your plan for the day. I also use nutrional data.com to find out the nutritional info on recipes that don't come with breakdowns or if I think the info might be wonky.

Variety is key, if it tastes good you'll eat it!

06-06-2009, 02:15 PM
Thinking outside the box, really is crucial, I think, because we've mostly been taught to diet by faulty example. It's "traditional" to define certain eating as "good," and certain eating as "bad," and we try and expect to be perfect from the beginning, not realizing how unrealistic our expectations are. We're almost taught to fail, because the traditional pattern for dieting goes something like this:

1. define "good" as a very strict set of rules for eating and/or exercise

2. follow those rules perfectly, without so much a "slip" for as long as possible.

3. get bored and frustrated with the deprivation

4. eat something "off plan" (or skipping or cutting short exercise)

5. feel very guilty, and berate yourself for being lazy and undisciplined

6. feel that it's "hopeless," you'll never be as perfect as you want to be (which is probably true).

7. go WAY off plan, eat like mad, perhaps even binge. Or blow-off exercise.

8. see that as proof you can't succeed

9. give up, or vow to start fresh (tomorrow, Monday, first of the month...)

10. repeat cycle

It doesn't have to be that way. Dieting doesn't have to be deprivation - you can consider eating well and exercise as a way to pamper your wonderful self (who wouldn't jump at the chance to go to a fancy weight loss spa - make your life a weight loss spa).

Mistakes (or intentional detours) don't have to mean doom to weight loss. Perfection doesn't need to come from the start (or at any point along the way). "Progress not perfection," makes it easier to get right back on track after an off-path choice. Eating one french fry doesn't mean you binge until morning - or for the rest of the weekend, when you focus on progress rather than pefection. It always matters what your next choice is because progress (but not perfection) depends upon every choice, not just the perfect ones. Imperfect doesn't matter, so long as it doesn't lead to wallowing in imperfection.

There is no law that states you will lose most in the beginning. It's the way we expect weight loss to occur, because it's what happens whey we follow the 10 step cycle. Perfect isn't sustainable, but it translates into the most rapid weight loss, which tapers off not only as our metabolism/weight drops but as our patience for pefection does. There is another way, though. Looking at weight loss as a skill to be learned, and perhaps even snowball.

I'm losing slowly, but it feels much easier than in the past, because I see it as skills to learn, and the more I practice, the better I'll do. I'll admit that I don't work nearly as hard at weight loss as I always have in the past, but in the past my weight loss attempts were very unbalanced. The only way I could be as perfect as I thought I needed to be, was to abandone almost every other aspect of my life and concentrate only on weight loss. No going out with friends, no housecleaning (unless I definted it as exercise, and went about it like a madwoman), no reading for pleasure (diet and exercise books only allowed), every thought devoted to what I would eat (or what I wanted to eat and wasn't allowing myself to).......

I'm rambling and ranting, so I'll wrap up. There are thousands of ways to make weight loss interesting and even fun. Be creative, and find something that will assist with your goals, in a way you will enjoy. Make it a game in some way (as silly as it sounds, I have sticker charts for weight loss and exercise). Give yourself $5 (or whatever) to buy the fanciest, most exotic fruit in the grocery. Go to a paint your own pottery store, and make a special plate that reminds you of your food plan (I've got this planned for next pay day. I got the idea when I saw one of those portion plates with pictures of serving sizes for meat/fish, vegetables, and bread/grain servings.
The price for a plastic plate like this was more than our local pottery place charges for a food-safe paint-your-own earthenware plate).

The possibilities are endless to make the journey a pleasant one. You can take a fast track, or a slower pace, but the important part is custom-designing your path to your desires, interests, preferences, and needs.

Alana in Canada
06-06-2009, 02:20 PM
Thank you!
These are wonderful tools.

06-06-2009, 02:26 PM
Once the honeymoon is over it's usually buckling down and pulling every once of commitment.

I get bored easily with food so lots of variety and I have the cookbooks and bookmarked websites to make a normal person's head spin :lol:

Girl you will get it :)

06-06-2009, 04:30 PM
ho, boy, I used to love baking bread, and cookies, and cakes (I had a secret fantasy to be a professional baker). I had to turn around that way of thinking, because I couldn't make all of those things and have them around and not eat them.

I'm lucky I'm not a picky eater and that I love fruits and veggies. I never cooked/prepared much fish, so I have a bit of a fear of it, but am going to work to overcome that (I like eating it).

I eat pretty simply now, stuff like chicken breasts, broccoli, salad, pasta with red sauce, fresh fruit. and my diet is fairly routine. it does take work and preplanning to mix it up and stay healthy and down to the right number of calories.

not that I don't still like those high cal temptations (for some reason, I really love eating muffins -- which can be 500 big ones or more, like a meal plus!). it makes it much easier for me not to eat that stuff when I think about how long it takes me to work it off.

mel hughes
06-06-2009, 04:58 PM
And Mel--bologna and cheese--EVERYDAY?? Oh my goodness. Promise me you will have something different!

Well today I had a subway sandwich for lunch. A sandwich, but not bologna and cheese..lol.

I'm going on a major recipe hunt this afternoon. :D