100 lb. Club - Dumbest excuse for being overweight EVER!




seashell
06-05-2009, 12:55 PM
So Im sitting at work listening to the radio and a comercial comes on for a dentist office. Gentle, affordable, don't neglect your teeth, blah, blah, blah. Im not really paying much attention. Then comes the part that makes me shoot the water Im drinking out of my nose.

The announcer says "Did you know that neglecting your teeth can cause other medical problems, including weight gain?" WHAT? Im no dentist, nor doctor for that matter, but Im pretty sure not brushing and flossing 3 times a day didn't contribute to the extra blubber hanging off my butt. In fact, im pretty sure the only reason it's there is because I PUT IT THERE! Believe me, if brushing my teeth would get rid of the trunk junk, I'd have the whitest teeth EVER!

So what have you heard the media say about why you are over weight? Whats your favorite excuse???


L R K
06-05-2009, 01:02 PM
Ha! I agree with you on this one - very silly.

Delphi
06-05-2009, 01:06 PM
Well it sounds plausible to me. Many medical problems can lead to weight gain. Perhaps, one of which is associated with not taking care of your teeth.


JulieJ08
06-05-2009, 01:12 PM
I think it's perfectly reasonable that it can contribute, due to inflammation. I think where the problem comes in is with the reporters in popular media. They take a simple study that suggests some small effect, and report it as "You're fat because you didn't brush your teeth!!!" It's the reporting that's nonsense, not the science.

scarletmeshell
06-05-2009, 01:15 PM
Doesn't sound like it is a good reason, however, think I will go brush and floss, just in case! hehe!

GirlyGirlSebas
06-05-2009, 01:25 PM
Dumb reasons I've heard for me being overweight?

1) Mom bottle fed me with iron fortified formula.
2) I'm in menopause. Women in menopause just gain and can't lose.
3) I'm lazy.
4) I inherited fatness.
5) I don't eat breakfast.
6) I used to lift weights. Everyone knows that muscle turn into fat when you quit.

;)

kiramira
06-05-2009, 01:27 PM
Here is the rationale for the statement:

http://www.build-muscle-and-burn-fat.com/free-weight-loss-tips.html

And the interesting thing is that I can't count HOW many times I've offered my normal-weight, super-fit DH a snack or treat after dinner and he says "No thanks. I've just brushed my teeth and it would taste terrible..."
Hmmmm....

Kira

Rosinante
06-05-2009, 01:33 PM
oh no, now I have fat teeth!

Lissus
06-05-2009, 02:30 PM
oh no, now I have fat teeth!


ROFLMAO!!!!! :lol:

luvja
06-05-2009, 02:33 PM
Haha, I have actually heard that one before. I have no idea if there is any truth to it or not.

kaplods
06-05-2009, 02:49 PM
I think it's perfectly reasonable that it can contribute, due to inflammation. I think where the problem comes in is with the reporters in popular media. They take a simple study that suggests some small effect, and report it as "You're fat because you didn't brush your teeth!!!" It's the reporting that's nonsense, not the science.

I think it's not just the reporters, but the "listeners," also. It's pretty common, in fact probably the majority opinion in our culture to believe there is only one cause for weight gain. Even people who believe that "some" people may be overweight due to medical and metabolic disorders, they believe that "most" people are overweight for the same reason.

I believe there are thousands of factors that contribute to weight gain, and the combination of factors are unique to each person. Someone morbidly obese since early childhood may have very different factors than a person who begins to gain weight after menopause.

You can say that all obesity and overweight can be cured by a person taking in fewer calories than they burn - but it's alot like saying the "cure" for poverty is for poor people to earn more money (Great observation, now how do you make it happen - I bet it isn't going to be the "same" for every poor person, just as the factors contributing to their poverty are likely to often be different).

I have no problem with considering poor dental care a contributor to weight gain - how much of a contributor? Probably not much. Could a person be five pounds overweight because of the effects of poor dental care? Maybe. 200 lbs overweight? Probably not (though maybe a few pounds of that 200 could be a result of the dental issue).

A lot of people believe that these studies finding contributors to weight gain, encourage people to use excuses to justify being fat. I really don't see that happening very often. Most fat people that I've met, and certainly myself, have a history of blaming no one, but themselves for their weight. Sometimes perhaps taking too much or too severe blame (I'm a piece of crap because I'm fat, is NOT conducive to weight loss for most people, in my experience. It just reinforces the belief that one isn't worth anyone's even one's own self-respect. If you don't like or respect yourself, why would you care about your appearance or health?)

I don't think excuses find people, people find excuses. While someone may "use" the dental excuse now, the research finding didn't give the person the idea to make excuses. They would have used another excuse if this one weren't available, and likely did.

I think that for everyone losing weight in the long term, is like finding pieces to the puzzle. Some people may have a two piece or three piece puzzle, and some people might have a 5000 piece puzzle.

I think the biggest problem with considering obesity a one or two piece puzzle, is that people ignore the influence of the other pieces. When I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and put on a CPAP machine at night, my pulmonologist suggested that I would probably lose some weight without even trying. Yeah, I thought he was completely insane, and forgot about it. Then about six months later at a doctor's appointment, I found that I'd lost 20 lbs without any attempt on my part whatsoever.

I always knew that I had TOM eating issues - from the very first TOM at 9 or 10, I felt starving "that week" no matter how much I ate. Then, it would take the rest of the month to get the weight off. I was finally able to get a doctor to agree to let me experiment with bc like Seasonique to reduce the number of periods, only about a year and a half ago (though I'd been suggesting it for the past 20 years). It was the miracle I'd expected. No, it didn't reverse my obesity, but it has made dieting a whole lot less torturous (two pieces down, and who knows how many to go).

I've found that low carb eating is another "piece," for me. I wouldn't have considered low carb eating, if two doctors hadn't suggested it for my insulin resistance (another piece). Hypothyroid is probably another, but it's not anything I can do much about at this point, because my thyroid levels aren't quite low enough for medical intervention (but I'm told I have all the signs it eventually will be). I suppose I could self-medicate, but that's a bit drastic. I'll just work on the other pieces in the meantime.

When I thought my "only" problem was eating too much, and moving too little, but didn't look to any of the factors that made moving more/eating less more difficult, my only tool was "willpower," which ensured that I spent more time and effort into "white-knuckling" it, instead of trying to find ways to make the job easier.

It's like if you were told that you just weren't trying hard enough to jump over a wall, so you keep trying to put more and more effort into the jump, while ignoring an assortment of climing tools a few feet away.

just_a_dreamy1
06-05-2009, 02:53 PM
The dumbest excuse for being overweight that I've EVER heard is when plastic surgery or weight loss pill commercials state that it is IMPOSSIBLE to lose weight with diet and exercise, and the only way that you're going to get to a normal size is if you shell out the money for their methods. NOT!

Tummy Girl
06-05-2009, 02:57 PM
I saw a commercial on TV awhile ago for some weight loss thingy, pill, center, whatever, but the whole commercial they kept repeating, it's not your fault, it's not your fault, they'd say it then flash it on the screen. I realize all for the many contributing causes of obesity that exsist in others but just for me, it is all my doing and I earned every pound on me and now I'm dealing with it. I just don't like it when people try to endorse treating ourselves as victims. If you can't control getting fat then how can you control getting thin?

JulieJ08
06-05-2009, 03:03 PM
I saw a commercial on TV awhile ago for some weight loss thingy, pill, center, whatever, but the whole commercial they kept repeating, it's not your fault, it's not your fault, they'd say it then flash it on the screen.

Wow, that's just noxious.

If you can't control getting fat then how can you control getting thin?

I think that's their point - you can't control it, you have to give them some money to fix it for you :)

sunflowergirl68
06-07-2009, 11:42 PM
I learned in a health class that poor gum care can lead to cardiovascular problems. It makes sense too, because bacteria gets into your gums, and then into your bloodstream, and then into your heart.

Goddess Jessica
06-08-2009, 02:08 AM
A lot of the times media, the general population and even scientists link correlation to causation. If people who have better teeth and gums are thin, then bad teeth makes you fat. That's a fallacy. But that kind of link happens all the time, and not just in the weightloss world.

Rainbow
06-08-2009, 06:42 AM
hmmm...no I don't think bad teeth causing weight gain in itself but I did put on weight due to bad teeth. Firstly I was too scared to go to the dentist and comfort ate while I was trying to deal with that. Secondly I'm not a big fan of veg but I do love fruit and some salad but my teeth hurt too much to eat these things. Yes I could of been more careful to make healthy choices and to keep portions to the right size and I could of dealt with comfort eating but now my teeth are fine :D I can't stop eating fruit and salad and crave them all the time. That said bad teeth contributed to no more than 28lb I'd say of my weight gain, and last Summer when I had a tooth infection after root canal surgery I lost 35lb ands managed to keep 28lb of that off anyway despite being very inactive for a number of months due to a broken ankle :D and despite still comfort eating.

irishsarah
06-08-2009, 09:03 AM
My mom is a dental assistant, I think I am gonna let her know about this, she is ALWAYS on a diet and gets her teeth cleaned, polished, whitened, fixed up...you name it, ALL the time.

I go to the dentist every 3 months to get my teeth cleaned and I am still fat.

Hmmmmmm...maybe I should switch dentists. ;)

In all seriousness, poor dental hygenie can lead to a myriad of health problems. In my opinion though, I think DIET can lead to more dental problems then the other way around. I am not saying I don't believe it has nothing to do with weight gain...just I don't know.

kaplods
06-08-2009, 12:39 PM
It's known that poverty adversely affects health, and (in the USA and other wealthy countries, where getting "enough" to eat is easier than getting the healthiest things to eat) is associated with being overweight and is also associated with having poor dental care.

I've now been on "both" sides of the class/healthcare system. I've always had good to great jobs, and therefore great insurance. Then I got sick an had to quit my job (long story)... I'm now on Medicare, and have no dental coverage. We went through nearly a year when we had very little money for food (we made just a few dollars too much per year to qualify for food stamps).

I never imagined I would go without dental care, but there's no room in the budget for it. We're trying to save for a checkup and to deal with a problem tooth. It will probably have to be pulled (it probably could have been saved, if we'd had the money to get it fixed when I first started having problems). I already have one missing tooth next to the bad tooth, so we'll then have to start saving for bridgework to fill the gaps (I'm really lucky that unless I smile really widely, you can't see the current gap).

Medicare doesn't cover dental work - or much preventive care either (it will pay for a mamogram once a year, but not a tetanus shot). If a bad tooth gets so infected that it threatens my life - then Medicare will pay for the dental surgery, but short of that, I'm out of luck. We found a dentist locally who takes low income patients, but we also are just above the cut-off for income (and if that weren't a problem, the waiting list is over two years long).

I'm not arguing that my dental problems are making me fat (I was fat long before I had dental problems), but often there are a lot of factors that influence the big picture. A downward spiraling cascade of health problems can all be inter-related. Even minor health problems can push a person a little closer into poor exercise or eating habits. It's not "an excuse," just a tendency of human behavior. Recognizing and fighting the tendency is often an important step.

dragonwoman64
06-08-2009, 03:09 PM
I can't remember which program it was, I think weight watchers, the leader kept telling us to brush our teeth so we wouldn't eat in the evening. Great idea in theory, but I didn't seem to mind eating then brushing my teeth again (!!)

this is a little off topic, but this morning on the news, there was a story about new ad coming out for this huge new fast food sandwich. they're using a young actress from one of the new WB? shows, she's in a very skimpy gold bikini -- on the beach...scarfing down this gigantic sandwich...

ah, advertising...

kiramira
06-08-2009, 03:14 PM
Guys, the rationale for the statement is here:
http://www.build-muscle-and-burn-fat.com/free-weight-loss-tips.html
in particular:

So what is the “magic wand” in this free weight loss tip? Its your tooth brush!

When you brush your teeth after a meal or snack, you send a signal to your body that you are finished eating. Therefore, if you are practicing portion control and are having a hard time, go brush your teeth instead.

In addition to signaling an end to your meal, brushing your teeth pretty much everything else tastes bad. This will give your body time to register the food it has eaten, helping you feel satiated and full.

So, when you get a sweet tooth or feel like something you know you should not, go brush your teeth.How else can brushing your teeth help you burn fat? By brushing your teeth a little earlier in the night suggests to your body know that you are finished eating for the day, thwarting any last minute, unplanned, snacks, and prepare you for a good nights sleep (and we know how important rest is!)

Nevertheless, the benefits of this weight loss tip does not stop there (it never does, does it?)!

Six minutes of brushing per day (3 times, 2 minutes each time) will burn well over 3500 calories per year – enough calories to loose at least 1 extra pound of fat per year!

Bonus Free Weight Loss Tip: Obviously, you do not want to carry your toothbrush into a restaurant, and those restaurant portions can be BIG! We all know that if it is on our plate, it is more tempting to finish it.

Carry some of those Listerine pocket strips in your pocket when you go out for a meal. You will get the same “everything tastes bad” effect you get from brushing as well as the signal to your brain that you are finished with your meal. Moreover, you do not look ridiculous lugging your toothbrush everywhere.

The rationale has nothing to do with "fat teeth" or societies views of poor dental health and weight. It has nothing to do with your ability to pay for dental care. It is just a simple weight loss tip that may or may not work for you...

Kira

JulieJ08
06-08-2009, 03:19 PM
The announcer says "Did you know that neglecting your teeth can cause other medical problems, including weight gain?"

Guys, the rationale for the statement is here:
http://www.build-muscle-and-burn-fat.com/free-weight-loss-tips.html
in particular:

So what is the “magic wand” in this free weight loss tip? Its your tooth brush!

When you brush your teeth after a meal or snack, you send a signal to your body that you are finished eating. Therefore, if you are practicing portion control and are having a hard time, go brush your teeth instead.

In addition to signaling an end to your meal, brushing your teeth pretty much everything else tastes bad. This will give your body time to register the food it has eaten, helping you feel satiated and full.


That might be an additional reason, and I think it's an excellent tip. But it sounds to me like what the OP heard was talking about something else. But hard to say since so little was said in the ad she mentioned.

synger
06-08-2009, 04:01 PM
The taste/feel of clean teeth may be the reason for the OP's point. But I've also read many articles that also focus on good dental hygiene for those who are concerned about avoiding or ameliorating problems with heart health and elevated blood sugar. They're finding that ongoing gum disease can make these problems worse due to inflammation and to bacterial infections.

For folks who already brush and floss regularly, it's probably not somethign to worry too much about. But for those like me who don't have horrible dental habits but don't have good ones either, it can be that extra little nudge we need to practice flossing more regularly.

kaplods
06-09-2009, 12:23 PM
Guys, the rationale for the statement is here:
http://www.build-muscle-and-burn-fat.com/free-weight-loss-tips.html

The rationale has nothing to do with "fat teeth" or societies views of poor dental health and weight. It has nothing to do with your ability to pay for dental care. It is just a simple weight loss tip that may or may not work for you...

Kira


Actually these are all completely seperate subjects. There has been several research studies linking poor dental care (which goes beyond brushing teeth several times a day as a dieting aid) and gum/dental bacteria/diseases to a variety of health problems, including weight gain (though that weight gain may be more a function of the health problems than the gum disease itself).

Some of the pathways are well understood. For example, the bacteria found in the mouth with gum disease can actually makes its way to the heart or other organs, causing inflammation and damage, just as it inflamed and damaged the gums (now heart and organ damagae/disease is also likely to slow a person down, so even a thin person might gain some weight when this happens, just by becoming less active).

The inflammation process itself has been shown to create or worsen health issues (and possibly lead to weight gain, indirectly as a result).