100 lb. Club - I need support! No more low carb for me!




RoyalAthena
02-24-2009, 07:14 PM
I gained weight back in October. I figured I had a mild addiction to sugar so.... South Beach here I come. I have tried South Beach a total of 6 times so far. I start with the Phase 1, have great results and then life happens! Life happens...stress/depression/time of the month. When I mess up I go all out. Straight binge. Anyway, I can't do this any more. If I had of gone back to my calorie counting I would have lost the 20 pounds already and then some... I'm so depressed. I am going to challenge myself for the six weeks of Lent to not binge and do the calorie counting. I eat pretty healthy ...fruits/veggies/whole grains. The other plan is too restrictive for me right now. For example, if I decide I want a slice of real pizza, I need to know I have that option. If I eat pizza on that plan then I have cheated and then I get depressed and binge. With my old plan, if I want pizza, I eat a slice or two of chiken garlic with a side of veggies. Then eat light the rest of the day. Treated myself and then STILL kept within my plans guidelines. NO guilt, no depression.

I just have to embrace the fact that I have to lose twenty pounds over again - although I have lost the same 10 maybe 3 or 4 times with South Beach. Not knocking the plan. It just isnt for me and after 6 months of failing and beating myself up; I have to go back to what works and pray that my body still responds!!!! Plus, going back to my workouts!!

Anyone change from a low carb to a calorie count and have decent short term results leading to long term??? Sorry for the long drawn out post! TIA


Thighs Be Gone
02-24-2009, 07:21 PM
Royal, I did full on Atkins a couple of years ago. I lost quickly and gained it back even quicker. I am now a calorie counter and much, much happier. Nothing is OUT completely. If I eat something off my whole foods, I just try to take it from somewhere else in my calorie allotment.

Let me know if you have any particular questions. I would be glad to answer as honestly as I can.

Trazey34
02-24-2009, 07:48 PM
yup, me too - did Atkins and thought I'd discovered the wheel it was sooo easy and do-able . . .until, of course, I had a cookie! and then the 40 lbs. that came OFF in a hurry came rushing back FAST and brought 10 friends with it! ergh! Oh well, at least you've figured out what works for you and your body -- that's half the battle right there!

I'm all for counting calories - makes me feel like i'm spending money, and i have to decide what's worth it, and what's too pricey!


Sheila53
02-24-2009, 08:15 PM
Don't be depressed--you had an "aha" moment and now you can go on from here. Think about what you are going to do and be sure and reward yourself (not with food, of course) for all the progress you're going to make. :)

VermontMom
02-24-2009, 08:24 PM
With my old plan, if I want pizza, I eat a slice or two of chiken garlic with a side of veggies. Then eat light the rest of the day. Treated myself and then STILL kept within my plans guidelines. NO guilt, no depression.

.... Not knocking the plan. It just isnt for me and after 6 months of failing and beating myself up; I have to go back to what works and pray that my body still responds!!!! Plus, going back to my workouts!!


I think I could have written this, also! Last year, I had very good results with my first time on South Beach. From February to maybe late May, I lost almost 20 pounds (plus working out religiously). I was able to be pretty much phase 3-ing all summer/fall, but the time from November through December always brings depression and poundage from overeating.

this January I tried to go back to Phase 1, and then onto 2, but just couldn't do it. Now I'm a calorie counter, and if I eat my alloted calories wisely and continue cardio/strength workouts, the scale does move down.

You're right, we have to do what works for us. I just love my one piece of whole wheat toast with pb with my coffee in the morning. And my 4:00 pm cereal bar, whose 140 calories are counted in for the day.

best wishes!!! you look great in your avatar :)

grabec
02-24-2009, 08:34 PM
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I always try to eat low carb. I have not had the experience of loosing wt fast no matter what I do. And I do have some confusion about it but I am so brain washed after all these years I think if I ate too many carbs I would feel to guilty and think would put on wt immediately. don't know. Glad for the poasts

time2lose
02-24-2009, 08:39 PM
It is good that you have realized what works for you. Everyone is different and we all have to find what works for us.

kalikat003
02-24-2009, 09:04 PM
Calorie counting is a lovely way to lose weight. I am glad you have found out about it! Good luck! you are doing amazing thus far!

Almost at onderland!!! =]

cfmama
02-24-2009, 09:40 PM
I think that Atkins and other low carb/no carb diets can work super well for a lot of people. I also think that if you can totally commit to it and work it all the time you can totally succeed! But I too am a person that has to know that most things are not off limits to me (ie: pizza or whatnot) or I begin to feel very restricted and head off plan very well.

I did Atkins about 10 years ago and lost quickly and then piled it back on. I went on the Carbohydrate addicts diet and lost 40 lbs about 4 years ago and then piled it back on. I went on the Dr. Phil diet and lost 30 and piled it back on. Now that I am calorie counting I have lost 80 lbs easily. HOWEVER I think that if you don't change the very core of your eating (ex: replacing snack packs with fruit or veggies say) as soon as you go off your "diet" you will regain. Losing weight is for LIFE!

JerseyGyrl
02-24-2009, 09:48 PM
I will soon be on Atkins 5 years:woohoo: but...be it Atkins, South Beach, WW, Calorie Counting etc., successful & permanant weightloss requires changing your eating habits for the rest of your life. If you aren't willing to make that committment, you are only setting yourself up for failure.
All the best to you:hug:

kaplods
02-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Finding the plan that you can see yourself doing forever (or at least the foreseeable future) is the ultimate challenge for anyone wanting to lose weight, and keep it off. I think there's a common culture of dieting, but not the same culture of maintenance. There's still an unspoken belief that maintenance will somehow be "different" than weight loss. Unlearning some of that, can be challenging.

Through four decades of trial and error, I think I've finally found my "for-life" plan. The best WOE for me is a relatively low carb diet, because high carbohydrate foods (even the "good" ones) can trigger overeating or even binging. Calorie counting, or an exchange plan (a short hand calorie controlled system that requires you choose from all food groups every day) works for me if I stick to it, however when I make high carbohydrate choices for my exchanges, it takes what seems like superhuman strength to keep from eating more than my alottment for the day. However, except for extremely low carb eating (which I'm not sure is healthy for most folks in the long run, but many people appear to do quite well on it); if I don't count in some way, I don't lose weight. On South Beach, after Phase I, I didn't gain, but didn't lose, either.

A compromise for me was to use what I had learned from all of the plans I had been on that had a component that worked. On one hand I "can" choose anything, because just like calories, every food on the planet can be calculated into the exchange system. I use resources online and a book (Exchanges for All Occasions), however high volume, low GI, low calorie foods are the best choices, because they control my appetite the best.

I'm not saying everyone has to control carbs AND calories, or have such an organized system but that's what I learned for myself. Maybe it's my brain and body chemistry (that might have been caused by four decades of dieting, or maybe I was born this way), but the whys don't matter, I probably will have to control calories and carbs for the rest of my life. I'm still not very good at it, and I make a lot of mistakes, but as long as I'm moving in the right direction, and keep in mind my "ideal" food choices (even when I don't always make them), I don't worry about not being perfect as long as I'm making progress.

One of the things that bothers me about criticism of "hard to stick to" plans, is the argument itself. For me, there is not a single "easy to stick to" plan. I can't stick to calorie counting, if I eat high carb foods regularly - I'm just too hungry and food obsessed on carbs to stick to plan. South Beach has too many loopholes for me, as I can very definitely overeat "good" carbs. Atkins in it's extreme works very well, but I think induction is unhealthy and in any other phase, there are the same weaknesses (for me) of South Beach.

I think the plan I've settled on is the best for me. I think it's a good plan, and I'd recommend it (as an experiment, not as a guarantee) to anyone who thought it sounded like something that would suit them, but I think my path to this WOE was very much my own. I chose it, because of what I'd learned about myself in at least a dozen other plans. Finding the plan that is realistic and doable, forever (or at least the foreseeable future), is a very unique process, I think. Maybe one day, we will have a tool that can help any person predict the food plan that will be the easiest or best for each individual, but that's not the world we live in now. Instead, we're stuck with a very unique and personal journey.

But even in all of this, the journey isn't just about the food - or the exercise, or any of that. It's about changing thousands of habits, I barely realized that I had: habits like comforting myself with food, or eating quickly, or finishing food on the plate just because it's there, like eating beyond physical hunger, like picking at food without paying attention to actually eating it, like not asking the waiter how a dish is prepared, like not deciding before eating how much of a restaurant meal is going into the take home container.

It's not just the eating that has to change for life, it's the very ideas, beliefs, habits, and traditions that we have about food (and exercise too). There are so many changes that have to become part of who we are - it's a monumental task.

CandaceG
02-24-2009, 10:22 PM
Ann, you have done so well! No reason for you to be depressed. I feel that we all have to do what works for us. No matter what plan it is, if we are happy with it and it is helping us reach our goal then that is the plan for us. You will do fantastic on the calorie counting, if that is what you want to try. Just look at how far you have come. I am so proud of you. :)

Candace

DCHound
02-24-2009, 10:27 PM
I have a lot of respect (and truth be told maybe a bit of jealousy!) for people who can count calories, eat carbs--starch and sugar--and still lose weight. I'm not one of them. I think I'm allergic to sugar. If I eat any, I gain weight. Can't lose on a low-cal diet. So Atkins at induction level is really my only option for losing. RoyalAthena, my hat's off to you for knowing your personal limitations and I wish you the very best of luck! You'll do great!

nicolen
02-25-2009, 01:50 AM
It's all about finding the plan that works best for you, isn't it? Ann, it's fantastic that you've figured out that a plan that tells you that you can't eat certain things is one that doesn't work for you. I'm exactly the same way - if I've started a diet that tells me I can't have something, I can guarantee that food is the one I instantly crave, even when it's things I can't stand.

Good for you - you've done so well in the past and I know you're going to do fantastically well now!

Scarlet
02-25-2009, 01:50 AM
It's so true what everyone is saying, you have to find what works for you. I eat high protein medium carb and that works better for me than total low carb but way better for me than high carb so I watch my carbs, eat a higher percentage of protein, but also ballpark count my calories, if that makes sense.

That way I am able to eat the fruits I love that are higher carbs and still lose weight, but also am able to have a bit of bread or a cookie now and again and still lose. I don't feel deprived like I did on strict Atkins, but I feel better and lose, especially if I am careful with what I am eating (because no one loses when they go off plan no matter what the plan is!!)

rodeogirl
02-25-2009, 02:20 AM
I tried Atkins some years back and thought it would work well because I love to eat meat.

I lost some weight, though pretty slowly after the initial big drop and then stalled out for a couple months. Looking back I'm sure i was consuming too many calories because even though I carefully stayed under my carb count, I consumed a lot of food. After awhile I got really tired of how inconvenient I found it. I didn't really have cravings for carbs but going through all the work of figuring out was in food that others prepared was a lot harder counting carbs than counting calories. Carbs were sneaky little buggers who would turn up in some unexpected places.

Anyhow the bottom line was that I personally found carb counting to be hard to do and live "normally."

And actually one reason I avoided calorie counting up until a few months ago was that I thought it would just be carb counting all over again.

But for me, for whatever reason, calorie counting is a lot easier and has tons more options. It's just more flexible and conducive to my lifestyle.

I personally am really glad I don't count carbs anymore - but I want to stress that if it works for you, then do it! As long as your doctors checkups show you're body is healthy or becoming more healthy and you're getting enough nutrients, then I think any diet/way of eating is acceptable.

EDIT: I forgot to add that my inclination is to eat fewer carbs these days because flour based products are calorically dense. I prefer to eat more meats and vegetables. When I do get some carbs it's more often from more natural sources like agave nectar or fruit. So I think getting away from highly processed carbs like in white bread is a pretty good idea in general.

RoyalAthena
02-25-2009, 04:14 AM
Thanks everyone for the encouragement!! :hug:


I lost the initial 120 by calorie counting. I know it works for me. I know my body. I know the balance I need of veggies/fruits and whole grains. I conditioned myself to like brown rice over white rice....white bread doesnt taste the same, I like whole grain bread. My tastes have changed and I make healthier choices. About 6-7 months ago, I gained 20 and thought low carb would help me get back to my "fighting weight" quickly. I basically shot myself in the foot. So calorie counting, here I come again. Calorie counting is my comfort zone. I find I have more energy and the right attitude when I calorie count. For some reason when I was low carbing, I could not find the energy to work out. I don't know if that happened to anyone else.

Right now I dont have to worry about hidden sugars and etc... I dont have to beat myself up if I eat the "wrong" salad dressing. I can have ketchup and barbeque sauce. I can eat foods and things I enjoy. I hold myself accountable. But food has held me captive too long. I am so tired of getting beaten down by food. With the calorie counting I had found freedom.. The low carb just made me feel oppressed and subject to food all over again. Anywho, not for me but maybe for others...

THANKS everyone for the support. I wili stick it through and one day I will post that I made it to onderland! I pray it so!!

GirlyGirlSebas
02-25-2009, 11:09 AM
For me, the perfect combination is Southbeach and calorie counting. Southbeach for the ultimate healthy way of eating....tons of fresh veggies, lean meats, healthy fats in moderation, whole grains only and fresh fruit....and calorie counting to make sure I don't overeat on the healthy foods. Other than phase 1, Southbeach is merely a whole foods diet and should not be considered as "low-carb."

Jen415
02-25-2009, 11:24 AM
You have to ask yourself: What way of eating can I do FOR LIFE? Some folks can stick with a particular program, like South Beach or Atkins, for life. Not me. It puts me in a "diet" mentality and that is the kiss of death for me.

This time around, I am calorie counting. I've actually logged food in every day this year so far. I'm making it a game to see if I can stay within my calorie range. It's fun!

Kae
02-25-2009, 11:29 AM
South Beach isn't for everyone... I myself have tried it and while I did lose weight, it just wasn't something I could maintain.

I do calorie counting now and love it because it is more about a healthy lifestyle change that I can stick to... I can have treats but I just plan around them. There is no food that is specifically off limits.

Just stick with it; you'll get there. I know there are a lot of us who gain and lose the same weight over and over again... but things will easier now that you have a plan that you feel you can live with.

Lizzyg
02-25-2009, 11:33 AM
I'm all for counting calories - makes me feel like i'm spending money, and i have to decide what's worth it, and what's too pricey!

Yes! That is a great way of describing it. I really like calorie counting.

willow650
02-25-2009, 11:35 AM
Me me me!!! I did Atkins, and it was great, I lost lot of weight, gained a like for a few extra veggies that I usually wouldn't go near. It was great until that 1 french fry turned in to a plate full. I am learned I am WAY to rebellious to tell myself I cant eat something. In my head I hear "oh yeah, well watch me" and watch how much of it I can eat" I started switching to healthier foods in Dec, then over to calorie counting last month. I don't feel deprived at all, added even more veggies in that i use to dislike, my taste for some junk has changed, like I now really don't like the taste of milk chocolate Hershey Kisses when I use to eat the bag full. I have developed a taste for Dark Chocolate and because of its strong flavor it only takes a piece or 2 to satisfy me. I am amazed at how calorie counting became a life saver, I never thought I had the patience to do it.

saef
02-25-2009, 11:52 AM
I get it, RoyalAthena. I totally get it.

This may just be how it feels to me, but some diets have made me feel as though I'm pledging myself to a religious sect when I embark upon them. There are texts to consult, to interpret the true words of the diet's leading evangelist. If I don't adhere strictly to the ritual or if I lapse in my strict practice, I feel like a failed acolyte. So it's less like science to me -- which is what I am kind of hoping for -- than like religion.

Numbers & counting feel more objective & rational, somehow.

thinpossible
02-25-2009, 12:28 PM
But food has held me captive too long. I am so tired of getting beaten down by food. With the calorie counting I had found freedom.. The low carb just made me feel oppressed and subject to food all over again.

I get it, RoyalAthena. I totally get it.

This may just be how it feels to me, but some diets have made me feel as though I'm pledging myself to a religious sect when I embark upon them. There are texts to consult, to interpret the true words of the diet's leading evangelist. If I don't adhere strictly to the ritual or if I lapse in my strict practice, I feel like a failed acolyte. So it's less like science to me -- which is what I am kind of hoping for -- than like religion.

Numbers & counting feel more objective & rational, somehow.

I am astounded at how much our thinking effects our eating. You can be on two diets which are almost identical-- whole grains, veggies, lean meats, fruit. Then on one "diet" you have a slice of pizza and it totally derails you, while on the other "diet" you eat a slice of pizza, and it's no big deal. All a difference of perspective.

I think the mental aspect of dieting is the toughest part. I can learn to eat differently, but learning how to think differently is a whole 'nother ball game. That's why you have to find what works for you. I'm definitely a calorie counting gal.

rockinrobin
02-25-2009, 12:53 PM
Calorie counting is just so reasonable to me. And logical. It just makes sense to me.

The second I started counting calories, automatically my *choices* became instantly better. I wanted to get the very most from every precious calorie going down my throat. So IT forced me to be very particular and CHOOSE the best foods possible - ones that would satisfy me and not leave me clamoring for me. It forced me to choose 100 calories worth of veggies instead of 100 calories worth of, well - 100 calorie packs.

Another thing calorie counting does - IT sets my portion limits. IT tells me when to stop eating, because, like it or not, my intuitive eating valve is missing.

It also makes sense to me that I should be tracking and keeping tabs on what goes in my mouth. How in the world was I leaving that up in the air for all those years (decades in fact)? It's just sooo important and leaving it up in the air now seems ridiculous to me. Oh hindsight.;)

And yes, I can have the occasional splurge without screwing everything up.

I also for the life of me can't figure out why any "diet" would elminate totally HEALTHY foods from their *allowable* list. I just don't get it. All those delicious, incredibly HEALTHY foods.

Oh yes calorie counting, how I love thee. (insterts a big KISS-Y smile here)

Ann, you sound EXCITED and I'm excited for you. I have no doubt you'll be posting that ONEderland post before you know it. :carrot:

amy180
02-25-2009, 12:56 PM
Yes, as others have said, I'm sure the most important thing is to find something that is going to work for you in the long run, that you can live with without feeling overly restricted. I love carbs too much to do any low carb, but again, if you know how much you're eating and you try to get enough exercise, you can still make things work for you if you find what works for you.

lottie63
02-25-2009, 03:17 PM
I agree with everyone, it's so weird, how these ideas are in our heads!

I am doing something similar to south beach with my calorie counting. lots of whole foods and whole grains. but it's not religious. I just try and keep it that way, sinc eI"m not doing 'south beach' I dont' feel like I"ll die if I have a french fry. :P as long as it fits into my calories.

I have high sugar though, so I *need* to do the low glycemic index thing.

cfmama
02-25-2009, 03:28 PM
Calorie counting is just so reasonable to me. And logical. It just makes sense to me.

The second I started counting calories, automatically my *choices* became instantly better. I wanted to get the very most from every precious calorie going down my throat. So IT forced me to be very particular and CHOOSE the best foods possible - ones that would satisfy me and not leave me clamoring for me. It forced me to choose 100 calories worth of veggies instead of 100 calories worth of, well - 100 calorie packs.

Another thing calorie counting does - IT sets my portion limits. IT tells me when to stop eating, because, like it or not, my intuitive eating valve is missing.

It also makes sense to me that I should be tracking and keeping tabs on what goes in my mouth. How in the world was I leaving that up in the air for all those years (decades in fact)? It's just sooo important and leaving it up in the air now seems ridiculous to me. Oh hindsight.;)

And yes, I can have the occasional splurge without screwing everything up.

I also for the life of me can't figure out why any "diet" would elminate totally HEALTHY foods from their *allowable* list. I just don't get it. All those delicious, incredibly HEALTHY foods.

Oh yes calorie counting, how I love thee. (insterts a big KISS-Y smile here)

Ann, you sound EXCITED and I'm excited for you. I have no doubt you'll be posting that ONEderland post before you know it. :carrot:

ROFLMAO!!!

You and me babe? We share a brain. I'm serious. Hey! Get out of my head!!! lol!

geoblewis
02-25-2009, 05:33 PM
For me, I'm not following any single "diet". And I didn't make my dietary changes all at once. It's been years of tweaking, and will probably be in a constant state of change, as needed.

But basically, I eat "clean" now. No processed food of any sort. That immediately eliminates excess sugars, salts, chemicals that get in the way of me just digesting food. Because I seem to be insulin resistant (PCOS), I eat only whole grain carbs that have a low glycemic value.

The veggies and fruits I eat tend to have low glycemic value as well, with higher amounts of fiber. I try to get in 30 to 50 gms of fiber per day, mostly from veggies.

I eat about 100 gms of protein a day, mostly to keep up enough protein intake for building muscle, but also to manage hunger. I do weight training and I need nutrients available to repair muscles after training.

Fats are where I fall down on the job, but I've made healthier choices so that the fats are beneficial. There are no man-made fats in my home, no spreads or margarines. I use butter, but sparingly. My fats mostly come from high-quality Greek or Spanish extra virgin olive oil, avocado and fresh, unprocessed, raw nut butters.

I don't use much dairy. I have a huge weakness for cheese, so when I've had it in the house, it's been my go-to snack of choice when I'm emotionally stressed. I get my dairy nutrients (calcium, potassium, magnesium, and vitamin D) from other sources, including almond milk and supplements. I will use Greek yogurt. I go for the full-fat kind, but that's just because I love it so!

Because of my size, according to "the experts", my basil metabolic rate at rest requires 2100 calories to maintain itself. I can tell you, if I eat that much, even if I exercise an hour everyday, I will gain weight. In order for me to lose weight, I have to eat less than 1800 calories a day, and I have to do a nutrient mix of 40% calories from protein, 30% calories from carbohydrates, and 30% calories from fat.

I also have to eat in a certain pattern. I have a completely balanced meal, but I have to eat protein first so that my muscles have a constant source of nutrition, to manage hunger better and manage my blood sugar better. I also eat every four hours. If I go longer than that, my blood sugar drops and I can't seem to control my eating when that happens. And each meal is around 450 calories.

This seems to be working best for me, for now, and I've gotten some good results. It's not low carb or low fat or low cal. It's just my diet.

geo

rockinrobin
02-25-2009, 11:02 PM
ROFLMAO!!!

You and me babe? We share a brain. I'm serious. Hey! Get out of my head!!! lol!

Any possibility we're long lost sisters? ;)

kaplods
02-25-2009, 11:14 PM
I'm following a low carb exchange plan. I love exchange plans, calorie controlled, but forcing a certain amount of "balance" into my diet. However, carbohydrates make me feel STARVED. Telling me I can't have them, does make me want them more, and on an exchange plan, I do get carbs in some of my exchanges - 2 milk, 2 fruit, 4 veggie, 2 starch, and for my starch exchanges I can use them on processed carbs that will make the rest of my day miserable because I'm so hungry and craving-prone (and much more likely to eat not only off-plan, but far more calories than I'm alotted).

Finding the perfect plan (the plan that is both physically and mentally best suited to you) can be a challenge, and it's not the same challenge for each person. One person's ideal plan may be another person's nightmare. I think sometimes the right plan can change for a person over time as well. Maybe, my needs will evolve or change, so what works today might not work in the future - then I'll have to assess those needs and meet them, and if it means changing food plans, so be it.

DishyFishy
02-26-2009, 02:18 AM
It's deffo different strokes for different folks. I'm really happy with my current low-carb WOE. I can behave quite normally around food until I start on things like rice and pasta, then I turn into a human Hoover! :o

Forcing yourself to stick to a plan that's unrealistic is setting yourself up for failure, so I'm glad you've found something that works for you, Ann. If counting kcals, and eating in moderation is a comfortable fit for you, you're well on your way. :)

fiberlover
02-26-2009, 08:46 AM
Ann - You might see a bit of water weight gain if you go from low carb back to having more. That's the extra stored glycogen, so don't panic!

There are lots of different ways of low*er* carb eating, like being under 150 grams a day might be something to shoot for during your daily calorie count. This will let you eat enough carbs and whole grains, yet will push you to add more protein and fat. It can balance your daily eating and help prevent cravings.

You should never feel deprived, and you should never cut a single type of macronutrient out. (IMHO)

You have done so well, I know you can do it again!

DishyFishy
02-26-2009, 12:26 PM
You should never feel deprived, and you should never cut a single type of macronutrient out. (IMHO)South Beach is actually relatively high in carbs compared with other low-carb plans. Even the much misunderstood Atkins never advocates cutting them out.

Contrary to popular belief, cookies are not a macronutrient. ;)