Weight Loss Support - Still plateaued, and the nutritionist did nothing to help




kelly315
02-11-2009, 10:43 PM
Hi everyone,
I know you've seen this post from me before; I've written a couple about my plateau in the past few months. So far, I've tried just about all the good advice (and perhaps the not so good), and I'm still barely losing. NONE of my measurements have changed since December.

Here's the facts:

For Jan/Feb I've been on pattern for losing about 3 pounds a month
I've been on plan, eating wise, the whole time.
I've been exercising for the past couple of weeks 3-4x a week, 45min-1 hour
I'm 224 pounds, there's no good reason why I can't lose 1 or 2 pounds a week
I talked to my nutritionist, who gave me no advice. She spent the entire time pretending to be a counselor (talking about how I can't be content being my current weight isn't going to get me out of a plateau. I don't think there's something wrong with hating being fat, I think if I liked being fat, then we'd have a problem).

So here are some of the pieces of advice I've tried:
-Decreasing my calories (1200-1300) and becoming more active
-Increasing my calories (around 1800-2000) to boost my metabolism
-adding in exercise, cardio and strength. I burn about 500-600 cals each time
-changing what I eat, when I eat. I've tried several different changes
-trying to add in more healthy foods... check.
-getting a good amount of sleep (but not too much)
-waiting it out.


There are probably more than I'm not remembering. With the advice that I did follow, I tried it for at least a week to give my body time to lose. Not working.

PLEASE HELP! There's no reason I shouldn't be able to lose at least 1 pound a week. I'm 224 pounds and exercising! Geez. And I know I'll get a lot of responses saying to stick in there, kiddo. I appreciate the support, but this really doesn't help. Something has to be wrong, and I don't know what to do.


huntress
02-11-2009, 11:04 PM
Have you had your thyroid checked lately? Just a suggestion, a few years back I was doing everything "right" and not losing anything and I finally went to the doctor and learned I had an underactive thyroid.

kelly315
02-11-2009, 11:08 PM
that might not be a bad idea. are there other symptoms?


mariamherrera
02-11-2009, 11:14 PM
I know I'll probably get heck for saying this this.... but when ever I've plateaued what I do I eat like crap for 2-3 days I mean BAD the way you used to eat pre healthy life, no excerise etc... your body will think it's going back to it's old self and will re adjust how you burn cals and fat(the wrong way)... you may gain a couple pounds back. but it will all recycle... your system will kinda re boot it self ...then, re start your diet again as if you had just in the beginning... this has always worked for me.. and I know a few others who have done this as well.. now this isn't a good idea if you don't think you'll be able to hop right back on the wagon again after a few days- if it will trigger future binges and make it harder on you then dont..

I always kinda thought of plateaus as my body's natural reward system for saying "hey you've done really good here go ahead and eat what you want for a bit" ..lol when ever I reached one I eat what ever I want for a few days... and then re start

sm177
02-11-2009, 11:17 PM
What does your workout consist of? I would suggest outdoor running, pick a 5k or 10k to train for. Register for something like that, you'll push yourself a lot more. No treadmill or ellipical, go outside! Be as active as you can possibly be, start walking more too. I'm sorry if this is too vague, but ultimately I just think your body needs to be pushed, like realllly pushed.

Heather
02-11-2009, 11:19 PM
Did you say you're losing 3 pounds a month? If so, I'm not sure that's really a plateau! If not... I'm not sure I have any advice, just my empathy.

sacha
02-12-2009, 01:33 AM
3lbs a month isn't a plateau, that is just under 1lb a week which is normal for steady weight loss.

3lbs x 12 months is 36lbs... there is nothing unusual about that. I lost at that rate.

What is the intensity of your cardio? Do you run 45 minutes at 4.0mph or 7.0mph? Jogging? Swimming? Those numbers can really make a difference!

mandalinn82
02-12-2009, 01:53 AM
Yeah...this is not a plateau. This is a normal rate of loss.

:hug: Hang in there, and remember that the weight didn't come on overnight, and won't leave that way either...

joyra
02-12-2009, 02:08 AM
1st, I'd suggest taking your measurements regularly if you're not already. I do once a week, which goes up and down but while I've only lost about 6 lbs in the last 5 months, I've lost 13+ inches. It can help when the scale slows down.

2nd, I agree with Maria. I wouldn't say eat like crap but my best losing days are always after I'm on point for like a week or more, eating right and exercising, then I'll take a day off, eat some pizza and ice cream and not work out... without fail, I lose the next day! It's happened multiple times.

JayEll
02-12-2009, 07:10 AM
I really disagree with any strategy that says go out and eat like crap for a couple of days. :eek: How is that a lifestyle change? It's just falling back into old habits, and eventually my guess is it would backfire. Two days turns into three, turns into a week, and turns into weight gain.

I have to say that 3 pounds a month, while slow, is still losing. I realize it's slower than what you want, but it's still losing. So technically, you are not at a plateau.

I'd also say that you need to stay with ONE plan for longer than a week before switching to something else. I know that's not what you want to hear--but that's what patience and perseverance means. A plan might be: 1700 calories average per day, exercise for 1 to 1-1/2 hours 4 or 5 times a week. This could mean treadmill plus a walk outdoors or the exercise bike--it doesn't have to be a solid hour on one machine. :faint: Weigh only once a week on the same day, at the same time. Stay with that for one month. Really.

And I also agree with having thyroid tests run to see where you are at with that.

Jay

Onmyway
02-12-2009, 08:00 AM
Congratulations on your loss so far. Look at your ticker, you have lost 64 pounds in 6 months! That's an average of over 10 pounds a month! Things have slowed recently but as others have pointed out, you are still losing.

My situation is similar, I am currently only losing about 3 pounds a month. It can get discouraging when you feel you are working harder than ever but your body is slowing down. I would be very careful with adding junk food back into your diet. I would be afraid it could backfire and ruin all of the hard work you have done.

I know it's hard to see others posting their steady loss of 2 pounds a week. That is just not the case for everyone. Please just stick with what you are doing and accept that your body may not be designed to lose more than 3 pounds a month.

rockinrobin
02-12-2009, 08:06 AM
I really disagree with any strategy that says go out and eat like crap for a couple of days.

Darn, I was so excited about having permission to do this. ;)

Just kidding. No really, that could be a bit of a hairy experiment.

I'll just take a cop out here and agree with all that Jay had to say. I would definitely try changing up and increasing your exercise.

You're gonna get through this Kelli. You're going to continue losing weight and feeling better and better with each and every pound lost. You WILL get there. :hug:

Jeannette311
02-12-2009, 08:22 AM
I don't have any advice other than to just wait it out. I'm losing one week, then not losing another...on average I'm losing a pound a week so I know it's working, just not working as fast as I want it.

I think our bodies are just trying to be stubborn. I must admit it's discouraging, and I have slipped up a little. All we can do is keep pushing on.

Thighs Be Gone
02-12-2009, 08:49 AM
Kelly--you have tried calorie cycling? I wasn't sure if that came under one of the categories you posted.

You can do this. Just stay your course. You will be successful if you keep to plan. I can only tell you what works for me. Whole foods, lots of water and fiber and moving--and lots of it. I wish I had something more. :(

FB
02-12-2009, 09:12 AM
It seems, from my perspective, that lately you've tried a bunch of different things all at once, without giving one method a fair period of time. I understand the frustrations of a plateau and the temptation to try everything to get out of it. I'm going through my first real one, and unfortunately it's 2 stinking pounds from goal. Cripes!

For instance on the periods of time, you just added in exercise in the beginning of the month, so about two weeks. And Alli was recent too? Are you still doing that? How many calories are you currently eating?

I think you really have to give each method a fair shot and record the results, if any. For me, in the past, the way to get the loss back on track was to really clean up my diet and watch it with a very careful eye. No fast foods, limited sugar and starches, continue onwards with exercise while trying new methods of exercise. It would typically take 3-4 weeks to get results again.

So, my advice is exactly what you didn't want - which is saying to stick with one method for a bit longer before dismissing it. You've done great so far and will see this through to your goal.

PS: I'll be sure to let you know first about what gets me out of my stinky plateau! Thyroid tests are a good idea too, mine gets checked regularly.

eviemc
02-12-2009, 09:48 AM
I agree about the calorie cycling. I was losing just .5lb per week and I knew that I could lose more. So I tried it..
Mon 1200
Tu 1500
We 1800
Th 1500
F 1200
Sa 1500
Sun 1800

It worked for me, then the mext week I go back to an average of 1500, then repeat the cycle. So it is off one week on the next. Sometimes a little bit of cycling in normal for all of us.

I also changed my workout every 2 weeks or so. This way your body always has something new to learn, either a new dvd or something.

My daughter is going through this right now, she has lost over 20 lbs in the past 12 weeks. She still has 30lbs left to get to her goal and for the past 12 wks she has done the same thing. Workout is supose to be fun and not boring, change things up and have fun. We will see if she listens.

bargoo
02-12-2009, 10:28 AM
My gosh! You have lost 64 pounds , that is great. You are not on a plateau, a plateau is when you do not lose when you are doing everything right. 3 pounds a month is a safe, steady loss. Also remember our rate of loss will vary as we continue the losing game. We all want to go to bed fat and wake up thin, it just doesn't work that way. Keep at it and you will see success. Every body is different and the body decides how we will lose. You can do it, do not get discouraged, know that it will happen.

daniela
02-12-2009, 11:35 AM
It seems, from my perspective, that lately you've tried a bunch of different things all at once, without giving one method a fair period of time.

Hi Kelly, I'd have to say that I agree with FB 100%. I was also losing 10lbs a month since september and then hit a plateau at the end of Dec start of Jan. I was freaking out and wasn't sure what to do either but I decided to make a couple of changes and I've stuck with them for a month and I'm losing again.

Not sure if this will work for you but this is what I did.
#1 - I eat MORE (not crap still clean whole foods). 2000 cals on days I workout and 1800 on days I don't.
#2 - I changed my macronutrient ratio. I was eating 40/30/30 (carb, pro, fat) and now it's 30/40/30
#3 - I started taking Whey Protein, once in the morning and once post workout
#4 - I started weight training, free weights, I follow the book "The New Rules of Lifting for Women" ( I still do cardio: run & spin mostly)

Kelly trust me I feel your frustration :hug: I've read some of your other posts and I'm surprised and bummed out that you are still going through this. I know exactly where your coming from when you say "I still weigh over 200 lbs, I have plenty more to lose". I felt like that too.

I would suggest trying out one thing for a couple of weeks, give it a chance, and see what happens. Look I know it sucks but you have done a fantastic job so don't get discouraged! I think switching the macronutrient ratio was the biggest help for me. I ate way too many carbs before and after a couple of days of eating more protein and less carbs the scale started moving down again.

Best of luck and keep us updated!

flatiron
02-12-2009, 11:48 AM
I don't have anything better to add to the already excellent advice you have already recieved except to say stressing over this will not help you at all either.

Stress runs down your immune system and you definitely don't need that!

good luck in figuring it all out!

daniela
02-12-2009, 11:52 AM
I don't have anything better to add to the already excellent advice you have already recieved except to say stressing over this will not help you at all either.

Stress runs down your immune system and you definitely don't need that!

good luck in figuring it all out!

Yes! Excellent point flatiron. That's something I forgot to mention. I was freaking out about not losing anymore and I think that contributed to the problem. Once I chilled out and stuck to my new plan the weight loss started to work again.

So CHILL OUT :D

Ija
02-12-2009, 12:37 PM
I, too, don't think this is a plateau. The pounds may not be coming off as quickly as you think they should, but remember that weight loss is seldom linear. Losses are usually inconsistent... this is normal. My own weight loss has looked something like this:

All of 2007: 0-6 pounds per month
January - August 2008: 7-8 pounds per month
September - November 2008: 2 pounds per month
December 2008: 12 pounds!!!
January - February 2009: 4 pounds per month

Don't be discouraged, you're on track!

kelly315
02-12-2009, 05:07 PM
Thanks, everyone, for your responses. I managed to get an appointment with my doctor today, and she agrees with me, there is no reason why a 22 year old weighing what I weigh shouldn’t be losing 2 pounds a week. We both suspect thyroid problems or some other hormonal problem. I had a blood test and should be getting the results back soon, I’ll keep you posted.

mariamherrera- I’ve tried that, pretty much (around 1800-2,000 cals) and it didn’t work for me. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

sm177- I’m not sure if I’m comfortable running in public yet, or really even running. All of my workouts consist of my heart rate going from 160ish for a while, then 170s for a while. If I push myself any harder, my heart rate will be at a dangerous level.

joyra- I measure regularly, and I haven’t had a single millimeter of loss since December.

Thighs Be Gone-yes, I always calorie cycle.

FB- I’ve been giving just about everything that I try at least a week to see if it works out. I stopped taking alli, because I saw no results and didn’t think it was worth it to take the health risks/side effects with it for a long time without results.

daniela- thanks for the advice. I have tried most of what you suggested, except the whey protein, but I usually eat soy nuts around the time of my workouts so I think they do about the same job.

Oh, and to everyone who agrees that this isn’t a real plateau: maybe you’re right. I have lost three pounds in a month- however, I haven’t lost a millimeter on any part of my body, suggesting that I’m not actually losing any real amount of fat. My doctor agrees with me that this should not be happening. I just worry that you might discourage people in the future from seeking help if they’re having a hard time losing weight. If someone in their early twenties is having this kind of an issue, perhaps it’s better to tell them to talk to a doctor rather than wait it out. There are a lot of people out there with undiagnosed hormonal problems from their obesity who may need to be on medication, and I think it’s vital that we encourage them to listen to symptoms.

nelie
02-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Its a good idea for everyone to get a yearly checkup that includes blood tests for thyroid, cholesterol, blood sugar levels, vitamin levels, etc. There are many plateaus that are self induced and people have experienced them.

A couple years ago, I had slacked off for a bit but then I decided to be stringent with my exercise and food. For 3 months, I didn't lose a single pound. The inches weren't falling off either. Then all of a sudden one day, I lost 5 lbs and ended up losing 30 lbs in the next 2 months. Yes my body was holding onto the weight for some reason, who knows? It happens especially with women and our various hormones that can affect us. It is possible that your hormones are out of whack, it could be that your thyroid is acting up or who knows?

kelly315
02-12-2009, 05:21 PM
That's true, nelie, that many plateaus are self induced. I guess we just have to trust that people that are slacking off will say so.

Thighs Be Gone
02-12-2009, 05:26 PM
It seems, from my perspective, that lately you've tried a bunch of different things all at once, without giving one method a fair period of time. I understand the frustrations of a plateau and the temptation to try everything to get out of it. I'm going through my first real one, and unfortunately it's 2 stinking pounds from goal. Cripes!

For instance on the periods of time, you just added in exercise in the beginning of the month, so about two weeks. And Alli was recent too? Are you still doing that? How many calories are you currently eating?

I think you really have to give each method a fair shot and record the results, if any. For me, in the past, the way to get the loss back on track was to really clean up my diet and watch it with a very careful eye. No fast foods, limited sugar and starches, continue onwards with exercise while trying new methods of exercise. It would typically take 3-4 weeks to get results again.

So, my advice is exactly what you didn't want - which is saying to stick with one method for a bit longer before dismissing it. You've done great so far and will see this through to your goal.

PS: I'll be sure to let you know first about what gets me out of my stinky plateau! Thyroid tests are a good idea too, mine gets checked regularly.


Spot on advice. Good luck! :)

mandalinn82
02-12-2009, 05:36 PM
Kelly - perhaps it's that people are just really sensitive to the word "plateau" and how it is used. You are losing weight slower than you'd like, and maybe slower than your doctor thinks you should be. That's frustrating, and warrants further exploration with your doctor. But there is a big difference between "losing 3 lbs a month", which is slower than you'd want, and being "plateaued".

We're particularly sensitive to it here, because part of what the people at 3FC do is try to encourage healthy rates of loss, and you're within the healthy range of .5-2 lbs a week, even though it is slower than you'd like.

I'm sorry if you were offended and really hope you get to the bottom of the issue so you can lose weight at a faster pace, if that is what you and your doctor decide is best.

rockinrobin
02-12-2009, 05:45 PM
I just worry that you might discourage people in the future from seeking help if they’re having a hard time losing weight. If someone in their early twenties is having this kind of an issue, perhaps it’s better to tell them to talk to a doctor rather than wait it out. There are a lot of people out there with undiagnosed hormonal problems from their obesity who may need to be on medication, and I think it’s vital that we encourage them to listen to symptoms

Kelly, we're not professionals here of any kind. When we ask for advice, people give it freely and willingly. But you've got to realize that most folks just give advice on what they know, based on THEIR OWN experiences, since that's all we know. Because we are not doctors.

It's also hard to get across your EXACT situation over the internet. Lots can get lost.

I can see what you would be frustrated. I'm glad you were able to get to the doctor and get those tests. Hopefully she will have some answers for you.

And you're right. Seeking a doctors opinion is often the best advice anyone can give.

nelie
02-12-2009, 06:01 PM
That's true, nelie, that many plateaus are self induced. I guess we just have to trust that people that are slacking off will say so.

Sometimes people don't realize that they let a little few nibbles here and there add up. Sometimes its even the fact that people reach a maintenance level and need to drop calories before they lose weight again. As mandalinn said there are others who think not losing any weight within a week or 2 is a plateau. I really think that not losing weight for a month could be a plateau but I'd also say give your body a chance. Like I said in my experience, it took my body 3 months at one point before it decided to let go of some more weight.

And as robin said, the best advice to seek is those of doctors which is what you are doing.

kaplods
02-12-2009, 06:01 PM
I'm glad you got your doctor involved.

I'm very sensitive to the word plateau, because my weight loss is a lot slower than I would like it to be and even at over 300 lbs, I'm losing only an average of about 3 lbs a month (I lost about 40 lbs last year). It's frustrating the heck out of me, and I of course want to lose more, but I've got to deal with the constraints I have. I have a lot of health issues though that complicate things, so for now 3 lbs a month is actually quite good for me. As I'm losing, I feel better, can do more and I think that I will be able to consistently maintain my slow rate of loss if not actually speed things up abit it. When dealing with weight loss, it's common, but not inevitable that your earliest rate of loss be faster than later on.

Regardless of whether your doctor finds a reason for your slower weight loss, you may still have to struggle with it. If you've got low thryoid, it may not be low enough for them to medicate, or the medications may not help you lose faster. If you're insulin resistant, medication may help, or it might not. I'm not trying to rain on your parade, in fact I'm trying to do the opposite. Even if you are forced (or voluntarily decide) to take the slow road on this journey, it doesn't mean you won't get to your destination.

JayEll
02-12-2009, 06:10 PM
Your point is well taken in some respects, Kelly. Folks here wouldn't want to discourage anyone from seeing their physician, and I think the website has lots of disclaimers about none of this being medical advice.

However, often people really do get impatient. I know you've been struggling, but sometimes it does take more than a week to see a difference based on a plan. If you switch what you are doing every week, well, it could be rather confusing to the body, I think. Of course I'm not a doctor, so I don't know.

I hope you get some answers from the doctor and blood tests. Let us know!

Jay

kelly315
02-16-2009, 11:14 PM
good news- I've been on metformin for the last three days, and I'm losing weight again.

choirgirlhotel
02-16-2009, 11:43 PM
A couple years ago, I had slacked off for a bit but then I decided to be stringent with my exercise and food. For 3 months, I didn't lose a single pound. The inches weren't falling off either. Then all of a sudden one day, I lost 5 lbs and ended up losing 30 lbs in the next 2 months. Yes my body was holding onto the weight for some reason, who knows?

Really? Wow, that is so weird!

~Choirgirl~

JayEll
02-17-2009, 06:45 AM
Glad to hear you're dropping again! :cheer2: :cheer2:

Jay

thistoo
02-17-2009, 09:31 AM
I'm plateauing right now too (since..last August, I think? Very frustrating) and what I have to do to break it is cut carbs pretty much completely. I know it works because I've broken the plateau, but it's so hard for me to sustain that way of eating that I keep slipping and gaining right back to my plateau weight.

So now I am at the point of deciding if I want to lose more weight, or not feel hungry all the time. It's a tougher choice than you'd think when you're in the moment. I don't know if that would work for you. I do know that you have to give it a couple weeks on any experimental plan before you decide that it's not working.

As for losing 3 pounds a month, I lose at a slower average rate than that (though I suspect I am older than you), so while it sucks to watch others losing so much faster, unfortunately that's just the way it works for some of us. All stuff you've heard before, but it's hard to accept that reality sometimes. I still have trouble with it.

Anyway, good luck. You'll get there as long as you keep trying.

rachinma
02-17-2009, 11:06 AM
Are you strength training?

I have found that easing up on the cardio and amping up the strength training has made a huge difference in the amount of fat loss. It sound counter-intuitive, but the most muscle you build, the more efficiently your body burns calories. And, all cardio and dieting with no weight training = loss of weight, but loss of muscle mass and not necessarily fat. I'd rather lose less weight but more fat.

daniela
02-17-2009, 11:06 AM
good news- I've been on metformin for the last three days, and I'm losing weight again.

Hi Kelly, I'm glad your losing again :) If you don't mind me asking were you diagnosed with type 2 diabetes? Just asking because that's what my dad takes and he has type 2 diabetes.