I am brand new to this forum and was wondering if anyone has tried this PatentLEAN yet. It is new and was wondering if there is any side effects like racing heart , nausea, diarrea etc. Some of this diet junk has very nasty side affects. I tried GHR 15 no side affects but I also seen no difference in 2 months use. Also was on Phen fen I loved it for the energy it gave me but I rapidly lost 45 pounds in a month and a half but becuase I lost it so fast I end getting diabetics which has been a royal pain. I put myself on my own diet and just cut out alot of fats and junk food and if God made it I eat it. That man made stuff they add to foods is scary stuff. Anyways hope someone can tell me a little more about this newest product.
05-16-2002, 06:24 PM
Ephedra and DHEA...there are hundreds of ephedra pills on the market.
I'm not even going to get into the possible dangers of ephedra/ephedrine, or the fact that the majority of the major sporting orgainzations such as the Olympics, US Cycling, NFL, MLB, etc. label ephedra/ephedrine as a banned substance...
Oh, and I just did some research on the Net - the other 'magic' ingredient is DHEA - here's some info from www.supplementwatch.com that you might want to know before putting it in your body:
DHEA is an androgenic hormone produced in the adrenal glands. In the body, DHEA is converted into other hormones such as testosterone, estrogen, progesterone or cortisol. Some natural products include wild yams as a source of DHEA. A metabolic precursor to DHEA, DHEA-S (dehydroepiandrosterone-3-sulfate) can be converted to DHEA and vice versa. DHEA levels are known to decrease with age - particularly after the age of 40, but perhaps as early as ages 20 - 30.
Theory: Because DHEA levels decline with age (up to 90% reduction) and functions as a direct precursor to testosterone and estrogen, it is often promoted as a "fountain of youth" type of supplement. The theory is that by boosting blood DHEA levels, sex hormone levels can be elevated and some of the conditions associated with aging can be alleviated. Such conditions as muscle wasting, bone loss, loss of strength and endurance and reduced sex drive may be potential targets for DHEA supplementation.
Scientific Support: DHEA supplements, at 50 – 100 mg per day, have been shown to increase muscle mass and improve overall feelings of well-being among a group of 40-70 year old subjects who took the supplements for 6 months. Another small study (9 elderly men) showed a link between 5 months of DHEA supplementation (50mg/day) and improvements in markers of immune system function (lymphocytes, natural killer cells and immunoglobulins). Several studies have shown an increased serum testosterone levels following regular DHEA supplementation (50-100mg/day).
Safety: The FDA banned the sale of DHEA as a therapeutic drug in 1996 until its safety and value could be reviewed. DHEA products on the market as dietary supplements are regulated under a 1994 law, the dietary supplement health and education act (DSHEA). Although it is difficult to show clear side effects from DHEA supplements, several publications have raised concerns regarding of altered hormone profiles, liver abnormalities, increased cancer risk (prostate in men and breast in women) and other steroid-like effects (increased facial hair, acne, mood swings). Since DHEA is converted into testosterone, there have been concerns that chronic use in men might worsen prostate hyperplasia or even promote prostate cancer.
Of the potential adverse effects associated with high dose DHEA supplements, virilization in women may result from increased testosterone levels, while gynecomastia may result in men from an elevation in estrogen levels. Because of these potential adverse effects, DHEA dosages should be limited to between 25 and 100 milligrams daily. If you take DHEA, you should inform your physician. It is important to note that although such concerns are certainly possible and logical, they are only suspected risks - which may not apply for all individuals who may derive benefits from DHEA supplements.
Value: DHEA supplements tend to be relatively inexpensive and widely available from a number of manufacturers. A recent publication, however, analyzed several DHEA products on the market and found a dramatic difference between the amount of DHEA stated on the supplement label and the amount actually present in the product. The range of actual DHEA present was over 150% to zero. Only 7 of the 16 products (44%) analyzed were found to have a DHEA content within the typical pharmaceutical product specifications of 90-110% of the labeled claim. Of the remaining products, no DHEA was detected in 1 product, and trace amounts were detected in 2 other products. The latter 2 were labeled as containing naturally occurring DHEA, with no specific amount indicated on the label. This finding underscores the importance of choosing your supplements from a reputable manufacturer that you can trust to perform adequate quality control and ingredient analysis.
Dosage: Effective doses have ranged from 50-100 mg per day, depending on the condition under investigation. Based on the current positive findings with 50-mg dosages and the adverse effects that may be associated with excessive DHEA supplementation, a daily dose of 50 mg per day seems reasonable
NOTE: Competitive athletes should be aware of the potential for DHEA supplementation to alter the testosterone-epitestosterone ratio so it exceeds the 6:1 limit set by both the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and NCAA in their screening for testosterone doping.
I'd say stay away from this stuff...
05-16-2002, 06:27 PM
From http://www.************.com/dhea.html -
Review by a Registered Nutritionist
By Ellen Coleman, RD, MA, MPH
"Build muscle!" "Burn body fat!" "Slow the aging process!" Such are the claims for one of the hottest-selling nutritional supplements -- DHEA.
DHEA (dehydroepiandosterone) is an adrenal hormone that functions as a metabolic precursor for the production of testosterone, estrogen, and other hormones. The highest levels of circulating DHEA are reached between the age of 20 and 30. By age 80, DHEA levels are only 10-20% of those produced at age 25. Because DHEA and testosterone levels decline with age, DHEA proponents claim that supplementation will increase testosterone levels, thereby producing both anabolic and anti-aging effects.
Although DHEA is banned by the International Olympic Committee and the National Collegiate Athletic Association, some athletes are experimenting with it as an alternative to anabolic steroids. However, athletes who are using DHEA to "bulk up" may be in for a disappointment. There is no evidence that DHEA produces anabolic effects (e.g. increased muscle mass or strength), or decreased body fat in healthy, young adults.
The side-effects of DHEA supplementation can include oily skin, acne, extra growth of body hair, liver enlargement, and aggressiveness. Indiscriminate use of DHEA by young adult athletes is of particular concern, since the hormone's long-term safety has not been established. As with other hormones, adverse effects due to DHEA administration may not appear for years. Individuals who have a family history of breast or prostatic cancer should not take DHEA.
DHEA has been labeled the "steroid of youth." Several studies have found a positive correlation between increased serum DHEA levels and improved vigor and well-being. DHEA supplementation increases the androstendiol levels of older men, but not their testosterone or dihydrotestosterone levels. By comparison, DHEA supplementation increases all three levels in older women.
In a study of older adults, 50 mg of supplemental oral DHEA per day increased serum DHEA levels to those found in young adults. Serum concentrations of insulin-like growth factor increased by 10%. DHEA supplementation also elicited positive feelings (improved sleep, greater energy, and increased ability of handle stress) in 82% of women and 67% of men. No changes in libido were noted.
Although DHEA supplementation has raised concerns in the medical community, the hormone is readily available. Unlike hormones such as testosterone and estrogen, DHEA is sold over the counter and by mail order as a nutritional supplement. DHEA belongs to a group of hormones that were freed for over the counter sales by the 1994 Dietary Supplements Health and Education Act (DSHEA).
The DSHEA also prohibits the Food and Drug Administration from taking DHEA off the market unless the agency can prove that using the hormone will create a medical problem. Unfortunately, this law places the burden of proof of DHEA's safety on the over-taxed FDA rather than on the companies profiting from the sale of the hormone.
Athletes should completely disregard claims that Mexican yam (Dioscoria) supplements provide the "building blocks" for DHEA. Mexican yam supposedly contains a DHEA processor which the body can convert to DHEA. While Dioscoria does contain a plant sterol ring called diosgenin, which is a processor for the semisynthetic production of DHEA and other steroid hormones, this conversion only takes place in the laboratory. The claim that Mexican yam supplements increase the body's production of DHEA (or testosterone) is a complete scam.
In the mid-1980's, several DHEA products sold in health food stores were found to contain little or no DHEA. In 1985, the FDA ordered manufacturers to stop marketing DHEA products as weight-loss aids.
05-18-2002, 01:31 PM
I sure wish I had this information before I tried the DHEA.
I first heard of DHEA while watching the Geraldo show several years ago. Oh yes, the claims of "returned youthfulness". I don't recall the brand but the amount I took daily was the recommended amount. This was shortly after I stopped taking phen-fen, so, when the weight gain was so rapid, I thought it was due to the affects the phen-fen had on me. I continued taking the DHEA for approx. six months. Odd things were happening to my body. I had acne AND hair in places only men should have. Any claim that it doesn't make you bulk up couldn't be proven by me! I looked like a football player! I was missing periods. A trip to the gyno who was also a nutritionist was an education. He informed me to immediately stop taking the DHEA (along with a joke that taking it much longer and I'd be replacing linebackers!) I know it may sound strange but even my voice deepened.
So, PLEASE, anyone considering taking DHEA.....DON'T !!
PS~Thanks for the great info! Too bad I didn't have the internet back then! :lol:
05-22-2002, 11:51 PM
I talked to my pharmacist about PatenLean and he said that it does boost your metabolism, but only slighty. You'd be better off just exercising as this stuff is super expensive. A 15 day supply is $30. That's a lot of money just to boost your metabolism slightly. You'd probably get the same results from drinking iced water lol.