Weight and Resistance Training - January 2009!!!!

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01-01-2009, 11:56 AM

Welcome to "back on plan" January!!!! The last two weeks have been way too sporadic, unplanned, and I've been just plain lazy. Spontaneous just doesn't work for me...so it's back to my tried and true food and workout rut :dizzy:

I hope all of you had a wonderful holiday and are looking forward to a year of health and happiness in whatever you do.


01-01-2009, 03:21 PM
Happy New Year!!

I have to share something cool that happened at the gym last night.

I was doing this crazy set of incline dumbbell presses where I started with a lighter weight/more reps and then increased the weight as I reduced the number of reps. When I got to the least number of reps, my trainer encouraged me to go for the next size dumbbell rather than what I had planned. Anyway, I did it! I needed spotting to get them up at first, but then I banged out 6 reps for a couple of sets with that weight. My trainer said I was the first "girl" he had trained who could do incline dumbbell presses at that weight! Woohoo! It's such a great feeling to know that I really am getting stronger and stronger. I remember when I started incline dumbbell presses back in February and struggled so much with what I consider now to be light weights. I love this stuff!!!

01-01-2009, 05:44 PM
I know you didn't just write all that, and not even tell what size DBs you were hefting! :lifter: Congrats on the PR!

No lifting for me, yesterday. I've been doing upper/lower like I did before, Mon/tues, thurs/fri, which seems to work well for me, and separates legs day from skating just enough that I can walk semi-normal in between. ;) Today is LB at home. I'll be back to the Y next week, when I'm ready for some real weight.

Mel, I know what you mean. I've been working at it since day after Xmas, and have been fighting the laziness myself. I've been doing it, but I think yesterday was the first day I was really looking forward to my workout. It's so much easier to stay OP in the first place.

Alena, how did the treadmill go...is the pain gone?

01-01-2009, 07:52 PM
Nice new avatar, Cheryl!

Yeah, I didn't write the weight cause, what if you guys thought---
1) wow that's a pathetic weight----midwife needs some serious help
2) That trainer must not be very good if that's the heaviest he's ever gotten a woman to lift....

But! I am not going to listen to those negative inner thoughts any more!!

They were 25 pound dumbbells.

01-01-2009, 07:54 PM

I hope everyone had a wonderful New Years, whatever they did. We had a very low key evening but managed to stay awake until just after midnight!:carrot:

midwife - congrats but I wanna know the # too! ;) you don't have to share, if you don't want to but if you want to brag, shout it out. This is the place to do it.

I hope everyone has a "back on plan January", like Mel suggested. I think I met my December "no weight gain" goal. I know I went up and down a few pounds a few times but that's okay. I think I might be up a pound or two now (due to a little indulgence yesterday) but now I'm back. I know that I need a good plan for my workouts for the next while. I tend to struggle during this time of year, when it's just so cold out and all I want to do is sit on the couch.

eta: Midwife - we were posting at the same time but I had a hunch why you didn't want to say the weight because I sometimes feel the same way here but the truth is, we should all be proud of our accomplishments because they're accomplishments for us so good for you!!

Here's to a healthy, happy and strong new year!


01-01-2009, 07:56 PM
So not a pathetic weight - especially after you'd worked your way up through the lighter weights! Congrats!!

Oh, and Happy New Year to you all. Love the new picture Cheryl!

01-01-2009, 10:04 PM
Well, tried the 5x5 for my new workout, and discovered the reason why the cookie cutter strength programs only have 3 lifts per workout. It's because you spend more time resting than lifting, with only 5 reps per set, lol. Oh well, I'm learning by trial and error...lots of error

The problem with cookie cutter programs is they are not individualized for you. This is especially true with rest periods. They are guidelines and are not written in stone. Basically, rest as long as you need for the type of program that you are doing. For a program aimed at strength, that means rest as long as you need to feel almost fully recovered for the next set. That is why they have long rest periods.

You can get hints from the prescribed rest periods as to what level of recovery should have to determine what "rest as long as needed" means to you.

For example for the following prescribed rest periods, they are generally looking for the following recoveries and effects.

Short rest (15 or 30s) about 25% or less recovered. They want your heart rate still elevated a bit as they are probably looking for a strong metabolic effect. Common in high rep "resistance cardio" routines.

Fairly short rest (45s) about 50% recovered. Common in higher rep routines aimed at general fitness where they want a metabolic effect but want you able to lift moderate weight.

Moderate rest (60-90s) about 75%. Common in hypertrophy routines where the desired effect is often some prefatigue but with enough recovery to lift higher weights for moderate reps.

Fairly long rest (2-3 min) as close to 100% recovered as possible. Common in 5x5 or 4x6 programs where the goal is to have the CNS as fresh as possible.

Long rest (more than 3 minutes) again as close to 100% as possible. Common in max singles or doubles of 8x3 programs where the extra time is generally needed due to the increased intensity.

Also, along with only resting as long as needed, rest does not have to (and should not mean) sitting around. Use active rest. Myself, I like to do corrective, prehab, or core work between sets of main exercises (you can also do stretching).

Something like:
1A Close grip bench press (5x5)
1B Bird Dogs (after sets 1 and 2) / Hip Extensions (after sets 3 and 4) [both 2x10]

2A Deadlift (5x5)
2B Quadruped Extension/Rotation and scap pushups (each for 2 sets of 10)

01-02-2009, 12:03 AM
Is it over? I mean really, is it safe to crawl out from under the kitchen table? Like all the cookies from the freezer, they're gone right?


Okay. Honestly. I did much better than I did last year. Marginal gain and it didn't begin until the very last two weeks of December. But marginal is still visible on a 5' 2'' frame. :s: I think most of it is water weight. We wined and dined the sons last night at a Chinese restaurant. They had great fun and well, so did we. Today was a squeaky clean day with a great workout in the late afternoon. That scale better be kind tomorrow morning. And the next and the next....

Cheryl: I :love: your new avatar. My goodness girl you've changed! You look fantastic. Look at how lean your face appears in the photo. How long have you been sporting this look and haven't told us? :chin: The lifting is working for you! And my goodness I just recalled you are coming back from an injury too. You look great. :hug:

Elana: Was that you who had the shopping trip to die for? :chin: Nice job with the boots and coat. I went out for the day after sales as well. Eh. Nada. The sales weren't that great and I basically spent the day just walking through the stores with Mom. Nice visit though. I still can't believe I didn't purchase anything My winter wardrobe is really lacking too. Summer I've got covered. It's more fun to dress for that season but winter...black. That's all I feel like wearing. I kept hearing Stacy and Clinton in the back of my head "step away from the black long sleeved t-shirts." :rofl:

Midwife: WOW! Decent. Very Decent. It's just amazing how our bodies adapt. Can I just say I am so glad that you shared this with us. Every once in a while I go through this phase of negative self talk. It happened today. I think I felt a little vulnerable because it was a different time of day and a different crowd of members. Anyway I just felt unusual today. It really helps me to know that all of you are out there doing this too and that somehow helps to validate why I do it too.

Elisa: We made it to New Years Eve too. After dinner we took the boys home to watch School of Rock. They picked out the movie. :dunno: DS2 begged for his bed at 11:30 but DS1 was up and all excited to watch Times Square. We did the champagne toast and then decided to finish the bottle. Ick. Four tums later I went to bed. That stuff is way to sweet.

Hey Mel, Pat, and Depalma :cheers: Happy New Years to you all. Oh and you too Fran, I know your out there somewhere driving between Point A and B.

01-02-2009, 05:39 AM
Happy new year everyone!

We all made it to 2009!!!

Fran, Cheryl...WOW you guys look great!!!

Like everyone else I definitely need to get back on track in this new year. I have gained 4 very persistent pounds in 2008 that need to be removed, together with some of their even more persisting cousins of before 2008.
And I vow to take it more easy at work this year, and put in more me"-time".

All said, I am having the best holidays I can remember. The secres tis that I did NOT make plans for social comittments, I'm just at home spending my time like i want to, with DS and DD doing the exact same, and I find it extremely relaxing. next week it is back to the grindstone for us, and back to more structured life.

Have a great day all,

01-02-2009, 09:52 AM
Lydia - Just wanted to say that I love your family holiday picture....it's just beautiful!!


01-02-2009, 12:03 PM
Happy New Year, everybody!

Cheryl - GET OUT OF TOWN! You look hot, hot, hot!!!!!

Lydia - lovely pic although I think should have worn something with spaghetti straps so that we can see those nice shoulders.

Midwife - I will wash your feet and drink the water every night! 25 pounds? You are one Schwarzenlady!! :carrot:

My back seems to be marginally better today. I can't say if the treadmill is helping or not, but I am keeping up with it because I haven't been at the gym since Sunday and the frustration is growing. Besides, I need to report my results in Gary's 5K thread. Tomorrow, I am going to my Zumba class even I have to brought in on a gurney!

01-02-2009, 01:41 PM
Thanks for the kind words, everyone!

You have a lovely family, Lydia!

Tomato, :lol:

01-02-2009, 03:34 PM
Midwife, you GO with your bad self! :strong:

Depalma, you're the coach in my head, cuz I did that last night, before I even read your post! Between sets, I did crossfit style sit-ups, push-ups (knees, cuz I'm working on chest to floor), supermans, and planks (30s each, which didn't kill me, so maybe it's time for something more evil).
Thanks for the breakdown on rest periods. That makes it easier to understand! Coming off this injury, so far, I'm finding that while the arm seems to be "healed" as far as bones go, it's definitely weaker and tweaking with heavier loads, especially on pushing chest exercises like push-ups from the toes and bench press, and any overhead pressing moves where I'm working directly against gravity. That makes me wonder if I should move to some gripless machine work for heavy legs, like leg press, just for a while, and stick with single-leg stuff and things like back squats where I don't have to support the whole weight with my arms/grip. I just do NOT want to reinjure that arm, so I'm going to keep working it up slow and find alternatives for heavy legs and chest, where I can. I'm thinking I'll save the 5x5 for the big exercises, and stick with higher reps where I need to keep the weight lighter...5x5 just isn't enough when I can't push the weight up heavy enough.

Lydia, love the family Christmas photo! How cute are those boys?!

Thanks, everybody, for the kind words on the new avatar picture. :D

I know I missed some names, but I've got to get off here for a bit. I'll check in later. For now, :wave:! Today is UB lifting at home. Monday is back to the gym for me, since I've maxed out the possibilities for legs at home, plus I'm missing the assisted pull-up machine. :love:

01-02-2009, 03:36 PM
I hear that DH is up off the couch, so I think that means we're off to the gym, so just a quick note to tell Lydia and Cheryl how great they look (and your DH and kids too, Lydia :) )

01-02-2009, 05:14 PM
Midwife - I will wash your feet and drink the water every night! 25 pounds?

Ewwwww. :rofl: Please be careful during your Zumba class. I can imagine you are just about dying to get back though. I can totally empathize with taking an unwanted rest. Hate those. :hug:

Hey Thanks for the compliments ladies! I posted it kind of late last night and then worried OMG what have I done. :rofl: Fortunately, DH has a sense of humor and wasn't in the least concerned about being posted. About the spaghetti straps Elena, I would rather save that for New Years Eve. :devil: The funny thing is I felt like a "Mom poser" in that outfit. Isn't that silly?! It's a beautiful sweater, and the necklace was a gift from a few years ago but I never dress this way. When I walked into my parents house both my mom and sister complimented my outfit but I felt kind of weird. I just don't dress this way anymore. I'm out of practice. :lol:

Woohoo Awesome workout this afternoon. I'm telling you the best time for me is from noon through two for my workouts. I'm so much stronger and flexible and just wow. I had a great time. Got in all my leg work and decent core workout a little yoga and plenty of cardio. :goodvibes:

Speaking of cardio, while I was working away I noticed a group of four young boys about the ages of ten through twelve who were learning Olympic lifts. OMG they were adorable. I just could not help but giggle out loud watching these little guys learning all the "reindeer games"

One thing I did see that worried me was a young one doing pushups with a 45 pound bumper plate on this back. :chin: He did have quite a bit of strength but ehhh, that might be pushin' a limit. I'm not so certain that I would encourage my young one to do that. It would be awfully embarrassing to have to explain to the pediatrician...

Dinner out with parents tonight. I think we are going to Longhorn steak house. Moooo. Hey, I did legs today. :p Have a great evening everyone.

01-02-2009, 08:33 PM
Lydia, that must be your mom's house, since I don't see any BBs lying around. :lol3:
Glad you had a good workout today! Ditto for me..UB, though. First time doing rear delt rows. Did drop sets today starting with 12 reps, since I have pretty much maxed out what I can do with the weights I have. It was a good workout. Cardio will be skating, tonight.

Pat, thanks!

01-02-2009, 08:41 PM
Cheryl! Great picture :)

Lydia, your smiles are lighting up that tree! I could pick those boys out as yours anywhere! They are definitely at the "freeze them in time" stage.

Decent workout today, but the gym was a madhouse. I think the entire county was there at lunchtime. Between all the usual old folks, the few lunch-time regular lifters, then add the college kids who haven't gone back yet, all the people who didn't work today, and the high school kids...whew...it was crazy! I ended snagging one of the functional trainers and just doing a lot of cable and bosu stuff. It was too nuts over by the usually deserted free weights.

Depalma- good to see you back!

Midwife- Good job!

Hello Pat, Rabbit, Elissa, Elena and everyone else :D


01-02-2009, 11:31 PM
Cheryl, great avatar which can double as the cover of FitWoman Monthly.

Lydia, that pic is too perfect. I wanted to ask if that was a studio print bc the background looks too wonderful - I love all those floor to ceiling windows and the effect of the lights from the back of your tree! Now I'm starting to understand all the matching concepts you posted about earlier....it DOES make a difference! ;) Beautiful kids, beautiful mom, errr, I mean, Mom Poser! Hey! Maybe you can change your user name to that! :lol3:

Well, the verdict is in. Not eating enough can be deadly for the diet as well as eating too much. I came back weighing 3 lbs more. Lack of activity and lack of food combo - remember, people were commenting on how much I wasn't eating. Hmmm..... time to plan a proactive every 3-4 hrs plan. We sailed home in just 11 hours yesterday, a pb best for us :), and oh did my legs ache. I was overdue on lifting and sitting in a car all day was NOT the cure for my achy "need to do weight lifting" muscles.

Does anyone else get crampy/achy if they SKIP a wl workout and go over by a few days?? I've explained this to people before and no one ever knows what I'm talking about. Surely, someone here most, unless you all are never in the position of being overdue for lifting......

01-03-2009, 09:19 AM
Fran- I get sore, crampy, achy and CRANKY if I miss a workout or two!

Welcome back.

Off for the gym in a few minutes. I'm all stuffed up :(


01-03-2009, 02:47 PM
Morning all,

Last skate session at the old rink last night. Now I'll have to wait a month for them to reopen in the new location. I'm actually okay with it, though. It will be nice to have a new floor, and I'm due for a change-up on the cardio anyway. Haven't decided on my workout for today, yet. I think I'll take a gander at the crossfit options, and if I don't see something that looks good over there, I'll get outside and do a little hill sprint torture. As I am the world's slowest runner, I'm using the sprint term loosely, lol. I need to practice some OH squats with the stick, too. I can't seem to get that nice overhead position. Maybe I need some stretches to loosen things up, or my back is just weak at pulling the shoulders back and holding them there...???

01-03-2009, 06:32 PM
Hey Fran, Cheryl was right. The photo was taken at my parents' house. Mom is much better at decorating than I am. Now you can appreciate the psuedo neurotic anxiety I felt over getting things to match. I didn't let it freak me out enough to do anything though. Wow 11 hours is an incredible drive. I get really irritable and cranky if I miss more than three workouts in a row. Just for the record.

Cheryl, hope you found something fun from Crossfit for today. My DH sent me a link to this. I thought you might enjoy them:


So I have spied a BOSU ball in our gym this week. We haven't had one in the fitness area before. (gasp, I know.) I walked over and introduced myself to it using this exercise: (nothing like taking the bull by the horns. First attempt with the BOSU with an advanced core exercise. :lol:


Let me just say that this is like the movement from :devil: I could do three in a row and then fall off. At one point the swiss ball flipped out from beneath me with enough velocity to spin out into the rest of the fitness area. I darted after it like it was a toddler headed into rush hour traffic nearly tripping myself. ~sigh~ After that my concentration was lost and just getting set up on these things was a challenge. I think part of the core work also includes the fits of laughter you get from making a fool of yourself. Perhaps its the one core exercise that those watching you can also engage in as well as they laugh at you too. ~sigh~ I've been humbled.

Oh and another goofy core exercise I tried today.


Now, this exercise did not really hit the lats like a stable bent over row normally does. Mostly because I chose to do it with only a twelve pound dumbbell. I felt like a goof who didn't know how to set up properly for a row in the first place. I must have looked like an idiot as well because I glanced up and saw some guy looking at me with a "Huh? What the :devil: is she doing?" kind of look. Clearly I was not the picture of good form in his opinion. :lol3: Not so sure this one is going to end up in my rotation. Your opinion Mel is welcomed here. :yes:

Anyway, beautiful day here in Central Ohio. Fran and Mel, hope you find a nice day this weekend too.

01-03-2009, 07:06 PM
OK, then since you guys have experienced it, what causes the crampy achiness from a missed lifting session? It's not DOMS, so what is it? I'm nerdy enough to want to understand what's going on in there, or the scientific explanation for what goes awry when you don't continue to lift.

01-03-2009, 07:56 PM
So....dh came with me to the gym for the first time today!! Okay, it wasn't much of a workout for me, I just wanted him to check the place out (being in downtown, it's pretty quiet on weekends). I gave him a tour, showed him a few things and just made sure he was comfortable enough on his own.

And here's one interesting thing I learned, where it's better to be a woman in the gym when you're new. I know I'm embarassed when I'm not sure what I'm doing but, right or wrong, it seems okay somehow if you're a woman. Particularly if you're starting off with light weights. But my dh is 6'4" and has a pretty big build. He looks strong and is in many ways but I think he will feel a little awkward lifting the lighter weights and that just sucks. He's comfortable enough to do it anyway but it's too bad.

Lydia - thanks so much for the links to that great website! I have never seen that one before and I came here specifically to find some websites for my dh. He said he's fine with the machines or free weights, but just wants some guidance. And he's very excited to try the bosu ball, he just didn't know what to do with it so your post was great timing!!

Oh, and that first exercise is certainly something from the :devil:, good for you for even doing three!!

Fran - I have never experienced the achiness, just the crankiness and I'm feeling it right now! With the holidays, it's been a while since I had a really good workout. And I'm going to LA on Wednesday so that will put a kink in my plans. I'm just trying to fit in what I can, when I can.

Now I'm off to spend some time on the links Lydia posted. Have a great weekend everyone!


01-04-2009, 04:32 AM
Lydia, I like the shirt that says, "Don't be scared, it's just the WOD". So true! Did a 1/2 Murph tonight, subbing sit-ups for the rx'd pull-ups, since I was at home, and did knee push-ups, chest to floor for the first 30, then had to resort to 45 degree push-ups for the rest. 47:30, slow, but a great workout, so I'm fine with that! BTW, that bosu push-up thing looks killer, and like it would be a good one. That other one, I dunno, because with the balance issue you wouldn't be able to lift heavy enough to work the lats, I wouldn't think..?

Elisa, my nephew is 6'4" also, only 16 y.o. though, and he has some anxiety in the gym. He says he feels like "everybody" thinks he should be able to lift heavy, because he's tall. I told him that everybody, even experienced lifters, does warm-up exercises and/or sets, so that if he wanted to try something new, he could do it first, and just use it for a warm-up for stuff he's more comfortable with. I don't think he's tried that yet, but he's a teenager, KWIM?

01-04-2009, 10:01 AM
Elisa- When I first started training, I used to KILL men. I figured if I could lift X, they could lift X+25! Most of them came back, but after being told almost every time I trained a new male client for the first time that he could barely function for a week, I eventually learned that size doesn't equal strength at first :rofl:

Lydia- That's quite and exercise for starters!!! I actually did that one on Friday. It's tough...haha, like you hadn't figured that out :) Core, balance, strength and endurance are all part of it. Not to mention not being afraid of looking foolish when you fall off (I usually do eventually :dizzy: )

Legs yesterday- we went heavy but I'm not sore. Weird.

Fran, I always attributed my aches when I don't workout to my firbromyalgia. If I don't keep moving, I hurt. Not sure what is going on with those of you who don't have fibro or arthritis, other than bodies were designed to move. Rust? :p

Off for a day off shopping and returning, then helping a single gf take down her Christmas tree. Mine is fake and can just stay there til May for all I care :D


01-04-2009, 02:04 PM
Grrrr. Thermometer is stuck at -25F!! I'm hoping my car will start this morning since I didn't use it at all yesterday. I'm tired of this COLD.

Nothing more to add. Christmas gets deconstructed today, back to work tomorrow. Blah.

01-04-2009, 02:38 PM
I will likely take the tree down today, also. I always forget to water it once Xmas is over, and it's getting a little crispy. Appts are already done for today, so once things thaw out a bit, I'll be hitting Costco to restock food, and Walmart and/or the sporting goods store, because I lost my fave water bottle at the rink. Also would like to check prices on bike shorts and some warmer running pants. :brr:

Not sure what the workout will be today. Other than the lifting, I'm enjoying taking it day by day.

Might take my little red dawg scootering...there's a park over that way that I've been meaning to scope out for scootering trails. It's a challenge to find dirt trails around here with enough mileage for the dogs...they love to pave everything, apparently... but this park is on my list of hopefuls. We'll see. Prob with parks is usually loose dogs whose owners can't control them. Nothing like running down the trail and having some loose dog plow right into your team.

Mel and Fran, I don't know the science behind it, but maybe moving just helps stretch out tight muscles/warms them up? I know that when I worked on the boat, if my neck and/or back was all tight and painful, nothing would fix it like just climbing the rigging a few times.

Pat, Alaska is gorgeous, but I think I'd turn into a popsicle in that weather, lol. Hope you get a break from the cold soon! :hug:

ETA: Lydia, meant to say, I can see what you mean about the decorations. Your mom's tree and wrapping paper match, lol. That's a couple years of therapy for a kid, at least. I'd suggest buying 5 different color schemes of decorations and wrapping paper immediately. Better yet, use the funny pages and some grocery sacks to wrap presents next year. :lol3: (Now, I'm not really being disrespectful to your mom...just kidding you...she obviously enjoys the process and does a beautiful job!)

01-04-2009, 02:59 PM
I had a good workout at the gym today, although a bit out of focus. I threw in randomly some arms, chest, back, legs and abs exercises - I am trying to be careful and not to aggravate my back again - we will see how it feels tomorrow. I find that these "distributed" workout are best for me because that way I do not completely "kill" only some body parts. (although they may not be the most effective?)

Does poop picking count as excercise, too? Did plenty of that today. LOL

I am off to the chicken to cook some healthy + nutritious meals for the week.
Happy Sunday, gang!


01-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Hola! I've been out for an obscenely long time after my stress fracture/whatever followed by a nice round of sicknesses, including about 3 weeks of puking and whatnot from the kids. Yuck. Holidays are over, I'm healed, no more bodily fluids around the house and I'm sleeping again. So I crawled back on the NRLW wagon last night! Felt great, and today I'm a good sore. Fortunately I kept pretty good tabs on my diet during this time, so I weigh a little less than when I was here last.

Nice to be back!

Alena, I vote yes, on the poop picking, especially if you did several sets!


01-05-2009, 08:32 AM
Welcome back, Anne. Glad you are feeling better and the kiddies are healthy. Fingers crossed that it stays that way!

I managed to eat clean 2 days in a row- on a weekend! A minor miracle for me :) This is what I NEED to do. Maybe by spring all my winter clothes will fit :rofl:


01-05-2009, 11:34 AM
Happy 2009 ladies, I'm right into Crossfit right now, have deadlifted more than my bodyweight yesterday and did Hang Power Cleans at 70+lbs so I'm feeling good!! I haven't gained weight for a year but hopefully looking to see some more muscle for 2009.

01-05-2009, 05:07 PM
Hey Mel, the practice of clean eating has been a bit of a shock to me yet again. It amazes me how slowly little "just this times" slips with food seem to become a habit and I have to readjust once again. Since the beginning of the month I've gone completely back to basics and gosh darn it I'm actually hungry! Well, at least an hour before my next meal rolls around. It's okay. It's working to take off the few holiday pounds. I am feeling rather inspired by it though too. It's during these moments that I'm truly appreciative of the strength and focus it took to lose the weight in the first place.

Hi Sacha. I bet you do feel great. It looks like your are doing some fun training as well as lifts. So when are your plans to hike the Grand Canyon. (I saw your little tag line.) That seems like a fantastic motivational tool.

Cheryl: I know you don't mean anything ill toward my mom. My sister and I have teased her about her obsessive need to live in a "museum" type home for years. I have this gene too but since I've placed exercise as my number one priority behind my husband and sons, things kind of slide here. I killed my inner Martha about four years ago. It. Was. Beautiful. The result, I no longer walk around with fabric swatches and paint samples in my purse. I traded those for an assortment of key fobs to the "Y", sporting goods stores in which to purchase fitness toys, and library key fobs where I mainly check out nonfiction books about diet, exercise, and overall wellness. Besides, one of my friends gave me the best bit of advice during this transition. "There is a time for growing grass and a time for growing children." This gave me the permission I needed to not be perfect. Not that I ever was I just kept myself crazy trying. These days, I just make sure the dishwasher is loaded/unloaded, beds are made, fridge is stocked, and laundry is kept up. Just keeps things running a little smoother.

Am I glad to be back to my normal routine! Kids back in school, DH back in work, and in the gym by 5:30am. Last night I was only able to sleep for two hours. Tossed and turned...second night in three nights this has happened. DH asked this morning how I was feeling after I returned from my workout. Apparently he was kept awake by me too. I commented that I need to cut out the caffeine in the afternoon. Decaf only. He smuggly says, "What's the point..?" Grrrrrrr.....Uhm dork, because I like the taste and I've taken just about everything else out of my diet and I'm not ready to give up something warm and comforting in the afternoon and sometimes I just don't want GREEN TEA! Considering how deliriously tired I was he is very lucky to have been able to go to work with all of his appendages intact. It might help to know that he is a bit of a coffee snot and will only drink a certain roast from a certain coffee house in the city. Really. Decaf will be just fine. :rolleyes:

:chin: power cleans. Maybe that's what I needed to do this morning. Obviously I'm still a little terse here. :lol:

01-05-2009, 05:16 PM
Hi Lydia,

I'm not sure on the plans yet. I am graduating university in June so if I get a job right away (yeah, RIGHT), I have no clue. I think I might actually try for spring break (February). I know it will be cold overnight but hey, I'm Canadian, I've done my fair share of hiking and camping in Rocky mountains. We're going to drive there so it'd be a good 20 hour drive. I gotta research more! I think I'll do that right now, thanks for reminding me, lol!

Have you ever been?

01-05-2009, 07:39 PM
Calm down Lydia!!!!!

Welcome, Sacha :wave: I think February is COLD in the Grand Canyon...I've never been there, but this is going on the old story "Brighty of the Grand Canyon". I'm remembering illustrations of the animals all huddled up against the wind.

I had a good back and chest workout today. Boy, that parking lot was crowded! The bodies must have all been in group classes, because I saw very few unknown faces in the weights area or even the cardio, but the parking lot sure was a challenge!

Clean food....it does a body good!


01-05-2009, 08:11 PM
Mel, I bet if Lydia gives up the bed making, she'll be able to calm the rest of the way down, with or without the caffeine! ;)

Seriously Lydia, give up the bed making........you only crawl right back into them later the same day. WHy make going to bed so hard??? :rofl:

01-05-2009, 08:54 PM
Seriously Lydia, give up the bed making........you only crawl right back into them later the same day. WHy make going to bed so hard???

Yay, someone with my attitude towards bed making! Seriously, mine is made when I change the sheets or if someone is coming to visit.... I have made life easier by using a duvet with a cover, so you can just make it by shaking, but I still don't usually bother. The cats prefer the mussed up version anyway, easier to burrow into. :lol:

Busy, crazy Monday here, but hey, it's warmed up to -11F - but with 30mph winds, so it feels just as cold and you have to fight the wind. Grrrrr.

01-05-2009, 10:20 PM
:sssh: Actually, DH is the one who makes our bed in the morning. I just make sure that it's done. :lol: No, these things usually don't stress me out. I was just overly tired this morning from two nights of lost sleep. I'm feeling better this evening. Hopefully I'll sleep for a full eight hours. I've nixed the caffeine today and I'm thinking a nice hot bath before bed would be good too.

Sacha: I've never been to the Grand Canyon. My father was there last summer as well as one of my neighbors. I recall them talking about taking donkeys or mules down into the canyon for sight seeing. I sounds like a great time. I think hiking it would be a very cool thing: the gear, the clothes, photos. Good luck with your studies this year as well as securing the employment you wish to seek.

01-06-2009, 02:05 PM
Pat, that's practically shorts weather, lol. :brr:

I confess, I'm a bed maker. With dogs in the house, it's easier to make up the bed than it is to wash the sheets every other day. :D Also, like Lydia, I've got the AR gene, lol. Not as bad as my sister C, but I definitely have some perfectionist tendencies that can really get in the way some days!

Sacha, welcome!

Anne, welcome back! :wave:

Mel, lol about the "Brighty.." book. I read all those when I was a horse-crazy kid.

:wave: to everybody I missed. Gotta make sure I'm not blowing the day on the computer, since we're back to homeschooling and trying to get back on track with the day-to-day and out of holiday mode! I missed my lifting workout yesterday. No good excuse, but the wipers went out on my van, "for real," so no Y trips till I get it fixed, and I just could not get into another bazillion rep set at home with too-light weights. Hopefully will be able to fix the wipers today, if the rain will let up enough for me to get to the auto parts store!

01-07-2009, 03:53 AM
Wow, I'm talking to myself today. :wave:

Just reporting in that I did my lifting workout today, UB, then the crossfit WOD, since it looked like fun. I was having major guilt from missing my workout, so I feel better now!

01-07-2009, 08:42 AM
Cardio done, clean eat packed :)

Cheryl- talking to oneself one this board every once in a while is a time honored tradition! Someone's got to do it :)

I'm not even feeling yesterday's leg workout :( though I sure was tired and hungry yesterday.

Shoulders today and I'm going to start re-incorporating olympic lifts. I love them even with the potential for knocking out my teeth if my form isn't perfect :D

Lydia, how are you doing? I made my bed (well, just pulled up the duvet cover) for the first time in ages today and thought about your inner Martha!

Gotta scoot-


01-07-2009, 10:33 AM
No bed making for me today. Or ever basically.

I'm postponing my run because it is freezing here. Yep, 32 degrees. I'll be out after the kids get to bed tonight. I'm such a cold weather wimp.

Lifting again tonight. I did better on the soreness than in November. The jacknifes on the ball just kick my abs though. I'm guessing it probably needs more postpartum work than the rest of me LOL.

Cheryl, what is a WOD? And usually, you are talking to me when you post, but I'm a total lazy bum and don't talk back a lot, kinda since by the time I make it down here to the bottom of the forum at night, I'm pretty much toast, and it is bedtime. You can always say, ANNE!! Get your lazy butt over here and check in. :kickbutt:

Coffee is done. Have to lock up the dog since the house cleaners are coming today, pour my mug, and get moving to work.


01-07-2009, 01:41 PM
Cheryl, what is a WOD?

:carrot: I know! I know! :carrot: Pick me Pick me. :devil:

WOD: Work out of the Day


Actually, today is a rest day. My dream would be to join a gym where the members are actually trained to do these things. When I find one, I'll let you all know.

Had my blood work done today to have all my levels checked. Can't wait to see what all of this clean living is doing within my insides. My blood pressure is now down to 116/80 and my resting heart rate after climbing the stairs, shifting around out of my coat and settling in to the chair was 60. I know it's lower than that! But I wasn't really resting was the point. I am now officially off from my blood pressure meds. :woohoo:

To celebrate my minor accomplishment I went to Sportsmart and purchased gloves to use while on the rowing machine. Lifting never really bothered my hands before but the rowing. Gaads. Now I have calluses and the calluses are raw when I go to lift. Time for some padding. :sssh: I also bought an ab wheel. I'm not a gimmicky person but I'm thinking it will be easier than setting up for the barbell rollouts. :rofl:

Have a great afternoon everyone. :sunny:

Oh, and glad you all made your beds today. :s:

01-07-2009, 02:01 PM
Lydia, congrats on being off the blood pressure meds. Rocking arms are great and all, but a rocking cardiovascular system is probably a little more practical. :)

Have fun with your ab wheel!

(I did not make my bed today---eeek!!!)

01-07-2009, 02:58 PM
Oh, and glad you all made your beds today.

Oh yeah, yeah, the bed, sure, I made it. :rofl: NOT!

Okay Cheryl, I have an excuse as good as your wipers - my gym stuff sat in my below zero car all day yesterday, and I couldn't wrap my mind around putting it on. :) The clothes I can handle, it's the frozen shoes draining what warmth there is in in my feet..... Today they're in my office, thawing.

01-07-2009, 03:46 PM
Pat, frozen gym bag...lacks a certain originality, but, okay...you win!

Speaking of wipers, I went to get the switch for my wipers yesterday (got a ride from my sista), but nobody had one. I keep forgetting my van is so old they don't carry the parts any more. So, I ordered one, and it will be in Thurs or Fri. Meanwhile, it's raining/flooding. :swim: I'm actually just glad it's not more snow.

Anne, Little Martha already answered the WOD question, so I'll just say :wave:. That jackknife is a good ab-killer. Also entertaining when you fall off the ball, which I like to do with style.

Lydia, there are Crossfit affiliates everywhere now. I bet there's at least one near you. There are at least 3 within 5 miles of my house. Unfortunately, they are all out of my measly budget, for now. It would be sweet to get the Oly lift training! I started working on the handstand push-up progressions last night. At first, I got dizzy being upside down, but after a few tries, it went away. I liked the feel of that for a shoulder workout, since nothing was crunching or making bad popping noises. Of course, wait till I get all of my weight up there, lol! This could be potentially more entertaining than the jackknife.

Mel, good luck with the shoulder workout today. What all do you do for shoulders these days? I'm sure there are some fabulous torture exercises we're all missing out on.

Fran, :wave:. How are the sessions going with the trainer?

01-07-2009, 06:48 PM
Cheryl- I do an astoundingly boring shoulder workout. It used to be much more entertaining but I've just gotten into a rut. I do the basics: 4 sets of overhead db presses, lateral raises, front raises, and bet over rear delt raises. I usually finish with a few sets of barbell clean and presses. I add a few wrinkles like one arm at a time on one leg on the flat side of a bosu, or sometimes use cable, but it's a far cry from some of the wacko stuff I used to do. Not sure why I stopped other than time.

Lydia- CONGRATULATIONS! As midwife said, a better looking bod is great...a better functioning one is fantastic! (can't believe I just said that...I'd kill for a few more vertebrae and a waist!) Yay on no blood pressure meds!

Anne, running in 32 degree weather is not fun. I'm indoors on a treadmill unless it's between 55 - 75 :lol: When I first started running, I lived in central Michigan and ran all through the winter. I'm now officially a wuss.

Good workouts and food today.

01-08-2009, 06:31 AM
Well, I had a good shoulder and abs workout tonight. I didn't know what to do. I'd planned to run outside for some hill training, but the rain was just coming down all day and night, flooding the roads and all, so I scrapped that idea. Decided to practice some crossfit skills, plus I felt like some ab torture was needed.

Here's what I came up with:
3 reps each of (shoulder) press, push press, push jerk (first time doing that!)
(used 15 lb DBs, since I was just looking to practice)
10 OH squats with a stick (getting better, I think!)
45 sec plank
15 knees to elbows (except, on the floor, because I don't have a pullup bar, and probably couldn't manage them on there if I tried)
10 SL sit-ups
5 handstand push-ups (knees supported, because I'm just learning this one)
repeat till dead....I made it through 5 rounds and all the way through the plank on round 6 before I died.
Finished it off with 20 minutes of running, with 2 sets of 25 low box jumps mixed in. It was a pretty good workout, actually, and fun.

Well, I've been stuck awake for hours, but I'm finally feeling like sleep might happen, so I'm going to sign off and give it a try. :faint:

01-08-2009, 12:13 PM
Cheryl, I hope you got the rest you needed. Sleep deprivation is no joke. In addition to feeling just wonky it makes so much more difficult to make good choices. At least it does for me.

Knees to elbows on a pull up bar. Wow. That would be impressive. I'd like to try that but I think I'll look for a deserted playground to test it. Is that opposite knee to opposite elbow?

I searched for a Crossfit affiliate last year as well as a few months ago. The closest one is about 45 minutes away and not a nice drive either. So it's adaptations for me until I can find a local gym that does that "style" of training for us common folk. I have one in mind to interview (can't believe I'm actually "interviewing" a gym) but if I just want to lift weights somewhere I could do that in my basement. :lol:

No workout so far for me today. At 4:30am the weather was still a little iffy so I'm opting for a basement session. I may hit the gym if the cable people get here on time. We are switching to a new service provider. If I disappear for a few days then you will know why. ;)

01-08-2009, 01:24 PM

There you go, Lydia!

01-08-2009, 02:55 PM
Cheryl, are we twins again, separated at birth? I am having tough time sleeping these days as well.

Lydia -:carrot:
Congrats on being off blood pressure meds.

Mel - I am doing similar shoulder workout, although I try to modify it a wee bit every time.

Sacha - welcome!
Everybody else - :hug:

I am back to normal routine at the gym - my back seems to be doing fine - major relief. Zumba on Tuesday, shoulders and abs last night, 45 minutes of shoveling this morning and some more to do in the evening.

I got re-weighed at the gym - my last results were from mid November (where did the time go???) when my body fat % was 23.9. On Tuesday - 22.7%. A little progress towards the goal.
*where is that evil chuckle coming from? Aaahh - midwife - it must be you!!!* :D

Oh, and I found one more fantabulous picture from my childhood days. (Brace yourself). The cute girl with the curly hair is my cousin. I am sure my mom cut my hair with a pot on my head as guideline. But, see the concentration with which I observe the eating habits of my four-legged friend?

01-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Wow. Thanks Cheryl. That looks like it would feel really great once you were able to get to the inversion state. Really. Those are some incredible cores too. Wow. How fun. (put a stop to my premeditative late afternoon binge right there.) :lol:\

Elena: Your photos are great! A lot of interesting details in the shot. Love the pig too. Congratulations on the lower bodyfat percentage. :hug: Glad to know that your back is doing much better.

01-08-2009, 03:03 PM
Count me in on the "couldn't sleep" crowd. I laid awake for more than 2 hours after going to bed last night. Majorly difficult to get up this morning. I hate it.

01-09-2009, 06:01 AM
Lydia, you might be able to do it on the pull-up bar. For me, just doing it on the floor is challenge enough, feels like my abs are going to rip loose at the top, lol. I did some more tonight, lying on the yoga mat. I do as many as I can till I can't reach without raising my arms (about 8 tonight), then grab underneath the bed frame and crank out a few more till I'm cryin' for my mama. :D

Alena, I love that pic! I am so jealous. I want a pig, too! Plus, you were pretty cute! I had that haircut a couple times as a kid. :hot:

Pat, :wave: I'm all messed up with my schedule still. Going to bed soon, though.

My workout tonight was at home again. Got the new wiper switch installed, and unfortunately it didn't help at all. Forked over another million for a wiper motor, and will install that tomorrow. Hopefully that will be the happy ending to the dead windshield wiper saga.

Did DLs, step-ups, lite abs, then did some random stuff and wrestling with the boy. The lifts were a bit uninspired. My hands were toast with the 40 lb DBs, which was the best I could do for weight. I really need to buy a BB set for home use, since I'm obviously going to need it for days when I can't get to the Y. :dizzy:

01-09-2009, 08:39 AM
Oooooh, I'd forgotten about those inversions. We used to do windmills in that position. I wouldn't do it without a huge guy spotting me (hand on butt :) )

Now I know what my lunch workout will be!

01-09-2009, 12:55 PM
Great job on the body fat%, Alena!! And the size 4 jeans! :devil: Why not me, why not me!! Although, my 8s are pretty loose these days....progress!

01-09-2009, 02:44 PM
It's been a while since I last checked in, hasn't it? I hope all of you are well. It's great to see a bunch of familiar "names" on the board, as wells as some fresh "faces."

My big news is that I recently suffered through a nasty bout of aerobic exercise, brought on by a combination of holiday travel and my gym's annual week-long closure for "cleaning." (Quotes because I have my doubts about the amount of "cleaning" relative to "staff vacation time" that takes place during cleaning week.) I'm pleased to report that I'm on the road to recovery; in fact, I anticipate that when the gym reopens on Monday morning, I will be back to my usual cardio-free self.

Be strong,

01-09-2009, 03:06 PM
Oooooh, I wouldn't do it without a huge guy spotting me (hand on butt :) Now I know what my lunch workout will be!

MEL! I'm shocked! :lol3: You're a professional! Well, I suppose membership to the fit club has it's privileges :o : :lol:

No really, I've been thinking about Cheryl's link today and my concern was falling head first and injuring my neck. I was visioning myself dragging the gymnastic mats under the bar...but I think a spotter is a much safer idea.

Nice little workout this morning. I did NROLW Phase 1, Workout A1. It's been a long time since I've done it. When I first purchased the book my concern was the the volume was not going to be enough. And, yes, it is less than I usually do. However this year I have some serious time considerations. It was nice to get a workout in without feeling the guilt of "I didn't get it all in today." I did just what was written I moved on. Nice.

I'm thinking that tomorrow's workout will be cardio on my bike in the basement. It's snowing. The prediction is 4 to 6 inches. Bah. Now, if I were Mel and had skis... Fran, I hope you don't have any traveling to do with your girls this weekend. :coolsnow: On the upside of this snow, I'm hoping that I can get some nice photos of the boys outside in their red jackets. (Ah, the inner Martha still lurkes within.) I have one from several years ago of DS1 and it is just beautiful. MUST HAVE MORE. :dizzy:

Midwife: Your time in the size four jeans will come. I have no doubt. Photos please when it happens. :^:

Cheryl and Pat: I actually got a great nights sleep last night. I hope yours is coming tonight too. I was a mess yesterday. It was DH fault. And no, not what your thinking either. He was up late messing around with his laptop. I just can't sleep when he is still up. :^:

Have a great afternoon everyone.

Oh Hey Kim. :wave: Suffering from aerobic exercise. :lol: I have an Rx for that. It's the sound of a heavily weighted barbell being reracked on the stays. :s: works for me every time.

01-09-2009, 03:06 PM
Great job on the body fat%, Alena!! And the size 4 jeans! :devil: Why not me, why not me!! Although, my 8s are pretty loose these days....progress!

Midwife, thanks! But I don't get this - how you have half of my body fat % yet wear a bigger size???
Of course I know that not everybody of the same weight or height wears the same size, but yet, with your body fat % so spectacularly low, how can this be?
Ah, all the mysteries that our body throws at us, eh? :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:


01-09-2009, 03:19 PM
Morning. I actually did have a good night's sleep last night - and had avoided anything resembling caffeine during the evening. I'm afraid that's the culprit, and I've not found an herbal tea I like. May have to buy some decaf black tea.

My weekend exercise will be moving furniture again. The office carpet will be done today, so we'll move everything back in their, and start emptying out the sewing/craft room. I've been collecting boxes all week. There is soooo much stuff in there. i'm sure I'll find stuff I've forgotten all about. :) My "inner Martha" will be working overtime - that is if I can find her. :lol:

Hi Kim :wave: Nice to see you back.

Alena - congrats on those size 4's!

On the maybe up side - it appears to be warming slightly! No warmer at home, but in town temps are now in the negative single digits. :) Our house sits in a hollow at the bottom of a mountain so is often colder/snowier than in town. Forecast is to be back to "normal" winter temps by about Tuesday. We'll see.....

01-09-2009, 03:46 PM
Midwife, thanks! But I don't get this - how you have half of my body fat % yet wear a bigger size???
Of course I know that not everybody of the same weight or height wears the same size, but yet, with your body fat % so spectacularly low, how can this be?
Ah, all the mysteries that our body throws at us, eh? :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:


That's a really good question.

I'm 5'8" and weighed 153 this am, so I dunno?

I think my trainer is a little generous with her body fat measurements.....so, the trend is good but I wonder if I was really 14% with the last measurement. Clearly the only way to solve this issue is for me to borrow your jeans and see if I can wear them. Like the Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants 3FC Style!

ETA: Thanks Lydia! I am turning into a jean glutton. Every time I drop a size I buy 4 pairs.....I am half-tempted to hit the mall right now to see if I can get into any 6's. :)

01-09-2009, 04:23 PM
Midwife - you must be able to wear jeans more often than I can. I currently have 2 pair that fit the way I want and I wear, but I can only wear them to work on Fridays, and then only if I don't have an "important" meeting. :) I usually buy Land's End jeans because their petite rise fits me and they'll hem the legs. I have a pair in each of 2 smaller sizes waiting for me to get there.....

01-09-2009, 04:42 PM
Lydia, if you think you'd lose your grip, I definitely wouldn't try the knees to elbows thing yet. I will probably have to work at hanging from the bar first, then some knee raises, because my grip isn't that great yet. I'm considering wussing out and buying some lifting straps, or try taping my hands, or something. The palms just get so red and sore doing legs, esp with DBs. Maybe one could get a similar effect, safely, with the captain's chair? Or on the floor, like me, if your abs/core isn't all that yet!

Mel, now that's more of a "Mel" workout, windmills on the pull-up bar! :fr:

Everybody else, :wave:

Shannon in ATL
01-09-2009, 04:58 PM
Hi ladies! Can I join this chat? I've been consistently working out on my Weider Home Gym two-three times per week again since the beginning of December. I'm currently doing a complete body workout that I got off of ExRx.net - I found it when I was looking for something to get me back into the flow. It is almost time to change it up, but I have surgery scheduled for 1/22 so I figure I won't change to a different routine until after recovered and back from that, since I'll have to take some time off and almost start over.

I'm doing the following exercises, most all of them are done with the Weider so they were the 'cable pulley' option from the exercise choices per body part on the website:
Cable Squat
Stepup - no weights yet, working on balance
Seated leg extension
Standing Row
Pushup (non-modified)
Seated Pulldown
Chest Press
Tricep Dip about 50% of the time
French Press
"100 for Core" which I actually got from PhotoChick, not ExRx.net - alternates between crunches, reverse crunches, bicycles, plank, different things different days
Pullups - I can do 3 consistently, some days I make 5 but not often enough to count it. :)

That whole flow is taking me about 35 minutes. I've gradually increased my 'resistance bar weight' in the month since I started, so I feel like I'm making some progress. My plan as the year goes on is to acquire a real weightbench and some adjustable dumbells, but I'm working with what I have available now. I'm thinking I might add in the 'knee to elbow' thing I just watched the video on, but I'll probably use the beginner's variation! :)

Sound like an okay start?

01-09-2009, 07:20 PM
Midwife - you must be able to wear jeans more often than I can. I currently have 2 pair that fit the way I want and I wear, but I can only wear them to work on Fridays, and then only if I don't have an "important" meeting. :) I usually buy Land's End jeans because their petite rise fits me and they'll hem the legs. I have a pair in each of 2 smaller sizes waiting for me to get there.....

Oh, I don't actually NEED 4 pairs of jeans. Half my work week I'm in scrubs, the other half in office attire, and the days I'm off I'm in athletic clothes usually.

I just have this weird addiction to buying jeans when I make it into a new size.....

01-09-2009, 10:46 PM
Hi Shannon, welcome! I've seen you around a bit :)

I too started on a Weider home gym until Mel clonked me over the head with a dumbbell and told me it was time to move on over. ;) I'm glad you have plans to move that way yourself. What you're doing is great, but I have to agree with the x'perts here that there's no comparison to free weights. Lying on a bench doing a chest press and keeping those 20 lb dumbbells from going into orbit is a big challenge that you just can't replicate on a machine. I'll give a thumbs up to the bowflex adjustables. From time to time you can catch them on special at dick's or sports authority where they'll throw in the stand for free. We had to get those for our trip to the ATL bc taking a set of single weight dumbbells was something dh wasn't willing to do. Early C'mas, anniversary (23 years SUnday!) and probably b'day present this year! Totally worth 5 year's of b'day parents, imo. :yes:

01-09-2009, 10:51 PM
Pat, I heard on the nat'l news this morning about how terrible it is in Alaska!! Those "hi's" of the day were just crazy! Like -45 in Fairbanks, or was it Anchorage - the one in the middle of the state. I talked to someone in chicago today and she said next week they are supposed to have a high of zero one day. I was like, how does your house and office heater keep up with that -- do you have something special that we don't have in the rest of the country? She said no, they just get used to feeling cold & drafty all the time. What do you guys do there? I'm sure you must have to have engine block heaters that you hook your cars up to overnite, plus garages are mandatory... My sister used to put cardboard in her car's grill when she lived in Mnpls. They were saying on the news how many people couldn't get their cars started today in Alaska. Oh, yes, and how it's hard to fix cars in the perennial dark (6 more mins of daylight each day!)

01-10-2009, 09:15 AM
Which reminds me, I should search for Pat's library cam thread. Sorry Pat, but it did make me feel better about our lousy Pennsylvania weather! ;)

Shannon- Welcome! I don't actually clonk people over the head :o It sounds like you are doing great. Any woman who can do ANY pull ups is doing great! I like cables as a mix with free weights and body weight training.

And welcome back to the pull up queen, Kim! Good to know you are still out there, and in recovery from your bout of cardio-itis :rofl:

OK, Cheryl, I did a lot of the exercises on the video yesterday. My shoulders hurt! I can do the knees to shoulders and the straight leg, and managed three shaky (and scary) inversions. Did any of you notice on the video that when they started showing inversions, it was a guy and not the same woman who started on the video? There is a reason. It's a LOT harder for women to get their butts above their upper bodies...even strong, fit women. When we used to do them at the gym, there were only two of us who could do it, and we had some pretty strong women there.

So after my three inversions, I plopped down on a bench to rest. The fitness director, whose office overlooks the weight and cable tower area, came out and sat down beside me. (Remember, this is not a gym where I have ever been an employee). I'm a VOCAL member of this gym so he knows me by sight and we've talked a couple of times. He asked me to PLEASE NEVER DO THAT AGAIN (the inversions). He said he's watched me workout for almost two years and knows that I know what I'm doing and how strong I am, but was terrified that I'd fall on my head on his watch or that someone else would try it. OK...he's right that there is no recourse if you fall. So I guess I'll be doing those at home. Maybe dh will spot me, cause if I break my neck, he'd have to clean the house and cook :rofl:

Alena- Good on ya on the body fat trend.

Here's another body mystery- I'm 5'3 and 128 pds and wear a size 4 jeans. my dd (26 yrs old) is 5'3, weighs 122 and wears a 0. Of course, the thighs are spray painted on to her, but they fit her perfectly in the hips and waist. She has sprinter legs and also lifts heavy.

My new motivation for peeling off a bit more of last year's fat accumulation and getting in fantastic shape is that I just booked a 5 day ski trip to Colorado with my dd for early April. I sure hope there is snow! We will look hilarious- we have the same skis, the same boots, and almost the same parka. If only I looked the same age :)

Off to the gym. There is a dusting of snow out there and it's cold. But not for Alaska!


01-10-2009, 11:36 AM
I guess it's a good thing to look and dress like your daughter. Last night DD & I went to MIL's house for dinner after the gym. We both had red hoodie sweatshirts, shorts, and running shoes.....my sil & my bil both mistook me out of the corners of their eyes for my 16 yo DD. :lol: I guess I dress like a teenager. I still have 10 pounds on her though!

Oh, btw, I did another crazy 18 super-super set pyramid thing of dumbbell shoulder presses, but this time my max weights were 27.5 dumbbells.


My new motto is Lift Heavy or Go Home! (Just for me, of course!)

01-10-2009, 11:58 AM
[QUOTE=Mel;2541196 So after my three inversions, I plopped down on a bench to rest. The fitness director, whose office overlooks the weight and cable tower area, came out and sat down beside me. (Remember, this is not a gym where I have ever been an employee). I'm a VOCAL member of this gym so he knows me by sight and we've talked a couple of times. He asked me to PLEASE NEVER DO THAT AGAIN (the inversions). Mel[/QUOTE]

Whaaat!? He didn't offer to spot you! :lol3: Mel, your my hero. :devil: I bet it looked cool though. :high: Enjoy planning your Colorado vacation.

Shannon: It sounds like a great place to start. I wish you a speedy recovery from your upcoming surgery. Let us know how you are doing. :hug:

Stay warm Pat! :brr:

Fran: Enjoy your adjustables. I had to smile, a summer vacation to Hilton Head inspired by DH to purchase my set. Same reason. Didn't want to have to lug four sets of dumbells along on the trip. :D

I'm just hanging out with DS2 this morning playing with legos. He has manuals, he has bags and bags of legos separated by color, and I've got a full pot of coffee. :D

Have a great morning everyone :coffee:

01-10-2009, 03:26 PM
Morning ladies! Welcome, Shannon! :wave:

I missed my lifting workout last night, due to being sick. Feeling fine today, and off in a few minutes to yorkie-proof my sister's backyard fence. The new neighbor tidied up on their side of the fence, so now there are gaps and the yorkie is all about seeing the neighborhood. I also am still trying to trace the problem with my van's windshield wipers. sigh. I'll check in later, hopefully to report that I made up for yesterday's missed UB workout.

01-10-2009, 04:05 PM
That's a really good question.

I'm 5'8" and weighed 153 this am, so I dunno?

I think my trainer is a little generous with her body fat measurements.....so, the trend is good but I wonder if I was really 14% with the last measurement. Clearly the only way to solve this issue is for me to borrow your jeans and see if I can wear them. Like the Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants 3FC Style!

Midwife, this should be very easy to do - and I think Mel should join us. I know you are both busy but wouldn't it be a fun experiment? My size 4 jeans are from GAP, the style is called Essential. Just pick a size 4 and try them on.
Mine are 4L (34" inseam) but that doesn't matter, the waist/hip area should be the same. Ok, ladies, hit the nearest GAP and report your results back!!:dance::dance::dance:

Shannon, welcome!
I did Zumba this morning and will do legs / abs tomorrow.

Shannon in ATL
01-10-2009, 08:28 PM
Thanks for the welcome everybody! :)
Cheryl - I tried the 'knees to elbows thing from the video and could almost do one. :) I must have looked all kinds of crazy trying it... I did better with the beginner's version, but wow... need to work on that! Hope you are feeling better!

Sportmom- I've been looking at adjustable weights for a while, but figured since I already had the Weider I would wait to invest in them until DH was working out again, too. Well, doesn't look like that is going to happen anytime soon, so my new goal is that I'll start saving money and buy them as a reward for myself when I go for four weeks three times per week on the Weider. Or, when I save the money and recover from my surgery, whichever comes first. :) I saw a Reebok set on Amazon that looked good and I've seen the Bowflex as well... I may post the different ones here and see what you guys think about them.

Alena - I am desperate for jeans that fit. Haven't gone into a GAP in ages, are they still a good jeans place? I'm 5'5.5 and weigh 118 - last time I checked I was wearing a 4 also...

Mel - there is no way I would be able to do that inversion without falling on my head. Wow for you! (is there an emoticon for the Wayne & Garth "we're not worthy" bow? :) ) And I figured you didn't really clonk people over the head with dumbells, though some days I could use someone to do it to get me motivated to move!

Lydia -does DS2 line all his legos up in rows? My stepson sorts all his blocks by color and shape, then lines them all up in individual rows. I watch him do this for hours and don't know what about it is so fascinating... He is 4, who knows what is in his head!

Midwife - nothing wrong with being mistaken for a 16 year old!

Pat - I drink a lot of tea in the evenings because caffeine keeps me awake, too. I found a peppermint herbal tea I liked, but my favorite right now is a decaf Earl Grey.

I did my workout today, increased the resistance a little bit. Felt good. I finally finished making the chart I've been working on for a month so now I have a pretty grid to log exercises and weights on instead of scribbling up and down and all over the same piece of paper for another month. I felt very professional and fancy today with my clipboard and formal workout log! :)

01-11-2009, 04:09 PM
Still no UB lifting, but at this point I'll just call it a loss and move on, since I have one coming up on Tuesday. Got my sister's fence yorkie-proofed yesterday, and put new tarps on her big dog's kennel (in the pouring rain, of course!), and that was it for being productive yesterday.

Got invited out to jam at another rink with 2 friends, so I did that last night. 3 hours, decent music and a good workout..my legs were toast and my feet sore after 2 hours, since the floor was tight (aka grabs your wheels, no slide, so you have to work for every step and turn...ouch).

Glad to hear about all the knees-to-elbows experiments, lol! Glad nobody fell on their head. I'll stick with doing them on the floor and practicing hanging from the bar, before I give that one a whirl. :D

Today, I'm thinking I might do another skills practice for my workout. Need to work on push-ups and handstand push-up progressions (still can't get used to being upside down :dizzy:), ab torture, and will try to squeeze in a run or dust off the bike, if the weather holds. Have to work on the van today, since I didn't get a chance to do that yesterday.

01-12-2009, 01:38 AM
I interrupt this thread to answer the cold questions:

- it has not been above zero at my house since Christmas or the day after, except last Sunday (1/4) it got up to 2 above for about an hour. :lol:
- Yes, we have block heaters in our cars - but no garage, just a carport, which keeps the snow and frost off, but does nothing for the cold. I have serious garage envy.
- We heat with gas mostly mostly, but have started using our wood stove again since the gas company recently increased their rates 22%! DH is retired so he's home a lot and keeps the stove fed. He also cuts/brins in all the wood. When we heated with wood in the 70's-80's-90's I was the bringer-in, and when he said we were going to go back to using the wood stove, I refused to do anything beyond feeding the beast and cleaning up around the stove/wood box.
- Mel, I'll repost the web cam tomorrow, it's dark here now, as if you don't know.....

Pat, I heard on the nat'l news this morning about how terrible it is in Alaska!! Those "hi's" of the day were just crazy! Like -45 in Fairbanks, or was it Anchorage - the one in the middle of the state.

Fran, Fairbanks is in the "interior" of the state, and it's usually VERY COLD there. We were with some friends from outside of Fairbanks over New Year's and when they left their home (in North Pole) it was -65F! Anchorage is on the coast, so the weather is somewhat moderated by the ocean. I live about 50 miles NE of Anchorage, and there's a mountain range in between. We don't get as cold as Fairbanks, but colder and snowier than Anchorage. My DH always says regarding temperature "it's not the low low's that get you, it's the low high's" Whatever, I'm ready for more normal winter temps which is mid-teens to low 20's. Hopefully the weather chick is right, and it'll warm up by mid-week.

As you were.

01-12-2009, 01:42 AM
I'm speechless. :brr: (I ran in shorts on Saturday!)

But on the other hand, I don't know anyone who lives at the North Pole. :) Which is very cool. But seriously -65 degrees? For real? Don't the thermometers freeze? And is there some point that it is so cold, that it doesn't even matter? What's the difference between -65 and -85?

01-12-2009, 01:50 AM
But seriously -65 degrees? Yes For real? YesDon't the thermometers freeze? NoAnd is there some point that it is so cold, that it doesn't even matter? Yes, as least to me, it once got down to -40F here, and I really couldn't tell it was that much colder, though of course, I felt colder as soon as I read the thermometerWhat's the difference between -65 and -85? 20 degrees :rofl:

I really came back to say that our town (Palmer) is about 12 miles from Wasilla, home of ex-VP candidate, and our gov, Sarah Palin, and no I can't see Russia from here.......

01-12-2009, 01:53 AM

01-12-2009, 08:28 AM
I really came back to say that our town (Palmer) is about 12 miles from Wasilla, home of ex-VP candidate, and our gov, Sarah Palin, and no I can't see Russia from here.......

:rofl: Guess YOU aren't a foreign policy expert! She must have amazing eyesight behind those glasses that look just like mine.

My lats are sore from those hanging knee to shoulder things. Treadmill run yesterday, elliptical this am, and back and chest at noon. Food was NOT OP this weekend due to being tired, annoyed, hungry and bored. Not to mention the lack of planning when I went shopping where there was a Harry and David outlet. :p


01-12-2009, 09:19 AM
I decided that the thought of doing strength training is getting in my way of doing strength training. NRLW is making me so sore it is wiping out days, and then when I get a chance to do abs or whatever, I find myself thinking I need to wait for my next "real" workout.

So NRLW is going to wait. Yesterday I did a set of 10 everytime I thought about it. 10 pushups, 10 jackknives, 10 lunges, 10 squats, etc, all through the course of the day. Hit every major muscle group and feel great. Discovered my knee is giving me problems on the lunges. I feel a trip to a local sports doc is coming soon--it's been months now, and biking and apparently the elliptical aggravate it, although oddly running doesn't.

Pat, my brain froze reading your post.


01-12-2009, 09:41 AM
OK, Pat, as I was taking my kids to the bus this morning in our 22 degree weather, I had to ask, do kids stand out waiting for the bus in alaska? (well, of course they do, right?) How is it different? Or isn't it? Are they shelters warmed, do parents keep them in their cars until the bus comes (not that the cars are warmed up yet by then, but I guess for wind chill). I guess everyone must pre-heat their cars. We are wimps. We walk them down the block, but yes if it is below freezing and there is wind, we will take the car and wait for the bus there.

01-12-2009, 10:25 AM
Pat - holy guacamole, that's friggin' cold! I am with Anne - my brain froze, too, when reading your post. Stay warm!

I am surprised that I am able to walk up and down the stairs - I did a massive leg workout last night with lots of squat (which I hate). But I hate lunges even more.
Do you prefer working certain parts of your body to others? If I could, I would work out my upper body every day - it's definitely on the top of my list in terms of what I like doing. Then abs, and I do legs only because I have to. :^:
I guess I am quite typical in this respect as I remember that my trainer (the cute young guy :D) said once that most people don't like working out their legs and that's why they have "chicken legs". :p

01-12-2009, 12:31 PM
Alena - I am desperate for jeans that fit. Haven't gone into a GAP in ages, are they still a good jeans place? I'm 5'5.5 and weigh 118 - last time I checked I was wearing a 4 also...

Sorry, I forgot to answer your question. The truth is, I would not really know how The Gap measures compared to other stores. Normally, I don't shop there as they are a bit on the pricey side and for the last 8 months, I always had to buy a smaller size jeans every 8 weeks or so, so I stuck to cheapo ($20-$25 per pair) jeans from Winners (our version of TJ Maxx).
My problem is that I need longer jeans if I want to wear them with higher heel shoes/boots - I think my ideal length would be 33" inseam (if no or low heel) and 34" inseam if wearing high heels.
Whether the Gap (or any other store) is a good place to buy jeans may depend on your body type. Go to Feeling Good Looking Great forum and dig back until you find a thread on jeans. It may help you. I read that e.g. the curvy ladies prefer Lane Bryant (?) as they have curvy jeans (coincidentally, the Gap does, too). I am in Canuckstan so obviously we don't have the same stores. Lots of people seem to like Old Navy's jeans but I find them udderly hideous (i.e. the denim) and really poor quality, not to mention that they don't carry anything longer than 32" inseam. A lot of this is obviously driven by personal preference.

I don't buy jeans online, not worth the hassle of having to return them.

Shannon in ATL
01-12-2009, 01:17 PM
Wow... I thought it was cold in my office when I got here today and it was 58 degrees in here... I can't even wrap my head around -65 degrees...

I did no real strength work yesterday, did some cardio yoga and some ab exercises. Today I'm planning to run. I was going to do a little on the Weider tonight when I got home, but DH just let me know he wants to try to workout on it tonight and as much as I've been pushing him to exercise I'm going to let him have the first round. If there is time after I'll use it, if not it will be tomorrow AM before work. I did get an exercise ball for Christmas that we finally got inflated, so I might workout with it some tonight. What kinds of things do you guys do with the ball? I remember some people who used it in place of a weight bench at home?

01-12-2009, 02:39 PM
Okay, it's back up to a reasonable temperature this morning, which is to say it's above zero - by only 2 degrees but still much warmer than the last 3 weeks. :)

OK, Pat, as I was taking my kids to the bus this morning in our 22 degree weather, I had to ask, do kids stand out waiting for the bus in alaska? (well, of course they do, right?) How is it different? Or isn't it? Are they shelters warmed, do parents keep them in their cars until the bus comes (not that the cars are warmed up yet by then, but I guess for wind chill). I guess everyone must pre-heat their cars. We are wimps. We walk them down the block, but yes if it is below freezing and there is wind, we will take the car and wait for the bus there.

Fran, I'd say that the majority of parents wait with their kids in the car, or actually drive them to school. If you don't have a garage, yes, most folks warm up their cars for 5-10 minutes. Everyone takes a bus to school unless - of course - they actually live next door to the school. If you live closer than a certain distance, you get to walk, bike, etc. when it's lighter/warmer. (I don't have kids in school, so don't know the actual distance, times).

Whoops it's nearly time to leave for a 10 am meeting. I'm off to the gym after work.

Fran, Midwife - thanks for being good sports about my teasing! :)

01-12-2009, 05:40 PM
It's afternoon here. Making progress on the van repairs, but still can't drive in the (nearly constant) rain. I am seriously jonesing for a trip to the Y, a real barbell, and my fave pull-up machine. Most likely, legs today will have to happen at home. Not an exciting prospect since I only have 2 DBS and enough plates to make 2 forty pounders. (whine) I think, when I do get to the Y for legs, I'm going to test out the leg press and hack squat machines, just because I've never tried them, and I'm getting really tired of squats. I'll still do squats, but some variety would be nice for my sanity.

Speaking of legs, Anne, I think, mentioned lunges. I can't do them without knee pain, either, so I just don't do them. Maybe some day my knees will be able to hande them, but in the meantime, I make do with step-ups instead.

I know what you mean about the abs, too. I got all messed up when I started trying to do abs only on legs days. Now, I do them when I feel like doing them, and they get done more often that way. I don't do them daily, though. The whole thing of working abs or calves every day just seems counterproductive to me. I mean, they're muscles like anything else, and they get worked all the frickin' time anyway, so how are they supposed to grow if people are working them with weights every day or doing 100 reps? Am I missing something?

Okay, back to work for me. I'll check in with you peeps later!

01-12-2009, 08:19 PM
:faint: I spent the afternoon gym shopping. I am physically and emotionally exhausted. My current membership is expiring in February so I'm on the hunt. Again. This year I found a new home. It has lots of fun toys: monkey bars, a weighted sled, ropes, rings, and all the weighted balls, Bosu's, and free weights a girl could want. :D

I know it's the right place for me but at the same time I'm very anxious about the new experience. New toys, new people, new style of training. What's really exciting is that they include each month a half hour one on one session with a trainer. No excuse for stagnation. If I fail to come regularly, they CALL! :yikes: I'm way outside my comfort zone here but it's time to move on to learn something new.

Cheryl, I hope you are able to correct the windshield wipers soon too. You sound in need of a really good gym session.

Pat: I'm always so grateful to be living in the Midwest after reading your posts in the winter.

Shannon: I think it was you who asked if my son lines up his legos like your son lines up his cars. If not I apologize. The answer is no. Not his legos. Those are sprinkled all over his room. :dizzy: However, when he plays with his cars he has done this. Actually he has made some very interesting "crop circles" with his Matchbox cars. :lol:

OKAY. About those size four jeans. No I did not go out to get fitted. I'm pretty certain that I would not wear a size four Gap. I'm thinking I'm more like a six or maybe even an eight. Here's my theory on this. Although my height, weight and bodyfat maybe similar to something who wears this size it's all about WHERE you carry that bodyfat. As I've shared before I am all but flat on top. So where is most of that bodyfat. Hips, thighs, and glutes. That's right. Enough to make the different between a couple of pant sizes. So, if I were to wear a size four, my measurements would have to pretty darn small to get my backside to fit into those jeans. Eh, it's a trade off. Like having definition on top but hate the extra junk in the trunk. :lol: Oh well, so long as I can be lean enough to pull myself up in a chin up, I'm not complaining too often.

Have a great evening everyone.

01-12-2009, 10:29 PM
Cheryl, good tip about the step ups. I have a friend doing Crossfit, and saw something about handstand pushups?? Yikes. Well, I don't really want to say "yikes" but that'll have to do on a family board, and so nod nod, wink wink, you all now know the code. Yikes.

Lydia, I like your new home!

Had a fantastic run today. Just glorious. Tomorrow, I'm lifting again, as long as I can call body weight training lifting, LOL. Even without the handstand pushups. Yikes.


01-13-2009, 08:37 AM
Lydia, your new gym home sounds perfect :hug: Isn't this whole lifestyle a progression of stepping outside our comfor zones? How did you feel the first time you stepped into a gym? The first time you ventured off the cardio equipment? The first time you worked out in a tank top? You'll be fine...way more than fine...I think you'll feel right at home!

Leg day here. :carrot:


01-13-2009, 10:03 AM
So, due to scheduling challenges, I did this power camp class at my gym last night. I am easily the oldest one in the class. We pushed the weights going heavier and heavier on each set and I lifted heavier last night than I ever had before. It was very fun and I am proud of myself!

Tomato, I have taken notes on the jeans and plan to go to Gap....sometime. My dd told me she thought it was closing here, but that would be weird.

01-13-2009, 10:33 AM
I am sure you will dazzle everybody at your new gym!

Oh, a comment re the jeans - I think I figured it out, I just forgot to post it.
The other day at the gym, I ogled enviously a girl with a spectacularly shaped booty and oh so tiny waist. She was really very nice proportioned and as I did some mental drooling, I realized why I can wear size 4 jeans - I have hardly any butt and I am very narrow at hips (I guess it is a good thing I never tried to push a baby out). Therefore, I don't have much of a waist (i.e. the difference between my waist and my hips is only 5". And although I expect to probably shave off another inch off my hips, I don't think the waist/hips will increase drastically). So that would explain why I can wear size 4 while I weigh a lot more. But still, midwife, if you can try the Gap size 4 jeans (Essential is the name of the cut) it will be a fun comparison.

Bad Tomato - I was constantly hungry all day yesterday and had a small muffin :fr: and in the evening, I od'ed on peanut butter. :mad: Good thing I already shoveled this a.m. and there will more to do in the afternoon and then Zumba tonight.

My shoulders are still sore from Sunday. I did a lot more with my left arm (trying to get my left arm stronger but what an elusive task that is.


Shannon in ATL
01-13-2009, 10:58 AM
I ran yesterday evening after work and really enjoyed. I didn't get to the Weider last night - I pushed the run a little longer and didn't have Weider left in me. I have it on schedule for today.

Lydia - the new gym does sound great! That was me that asked about lining up the legos and the cars - when I read that he had them all organized in baggies by color it made me think about it. DH's ex wife is a little worried that DSS might be a autistic because he lines everything up, but I don't think so. I remember doing that as a child, too. I think he is just being a kid. Thanks for sharing your son's matchbox car crop circles! :)

Handstand pushups... eeww...

01-13-2009, 11:22 AM
Mel: You are absolutely right about the progression process. The "first time you wore a tank top...How did you know. :lol:) I really am excited and it will be just fine. According to the stats they provided they only have ten or less guests at the time of day that I usually workout so I will have plenty of room to roam about and explore.

Midwife: Enjoy your jean shopping. And great job with the Power Camp Class. Are you sore today? :D

Shannon: I've seen other little preschool boys organize their toys like this too. I'm pretty certain it is just a stage in and of itself.

Alena: See. See. Five inch difference between the waist and hips. Doesn't that make sense Midwife? It's all about proportion and where that fat is stored. After your post I had to go measure myself. :rolleyes: There is a nine inch difference between the smallest part of my waist and the largest part of my hips. :yikes: I'm going to watch this over the next few months and into summer to see if this changes with deliberate effort. A little self experiment. Me verses my genes or should that be jeans. :p

This morning was a cycling workout in the basement. Just too darn cold, and a little bit of snow covering the roads at 4:30 this morning. I am so grateful for that bike.

:coffee: Have a great morning.

01-13-2009, 12:29 PM
Alena: See. See. Five inch difference between the waist and hips. Doesn't that make sense Midwife? It's all about proportion and where that fat is stored. After your post I had to go measure myself. :rolleyes: There is a nine inch difference between the smallest part of my waist and the largest part of my hips. :yikes: I'm going to watch this over the next few months and into summer to see if this changes with deliberate effort. A little self experiment. Me verses my genes or should that be jeans. :p

I see, you and midwife are just into throwing tough challenges my way. :D
First midwife with her impossible-to-achieve 17% of body fat, now you with a NINE inch difference between waist and hips. (btw, I have no idea where the smallest part of my waist is ... since I am so straight [and I am not talking sexual preference here LOL] ... I measure at navel).
Why did you include the horror face, Lyd? Are planning to achieve a difference even bigger than nine inches????:?:

01-13-2009, 01:26 PM
OMG. No way would I want to achieve a bigger difference. Seriously. I'm very self conscious about it. Since I don't carry a lot of weight on top, I'm not quite as "balanced" as an overall image. I really on shoulder work for an overall balanced look. :lol:

If I were to lose more weight I am assuming that the difference would still be nine to seven inches if the weight came off from the my body in a proportional way. (Not that we have any control of how it comes off) Thing is, I'm not sure that it will do that but I'm curious. If I were to get to a lower bodyfat percentage would that ratio still say the same? :chin: Also, If I were to get down to a size four jean, (not that I think I will) would that ratio still be close to what it is today? Just rambling thoughts not really crazy "putting myself into health risk" ambition here to find out.

The horror face? Well, because I was having a flashback to the first year after I lost about fifty pounds. I spent two hours in a dressing room with two sales associates running back and forth to find a single pair of pants that fit me. All of them gaped ridiculously around my waist. Couldn't sit down in them without inviting another person inside them to help fill them out. :lol: Let's just say that finding well fitting pants is tough and I since have a fantastic tailor.

No competitive worries here Elana. I just think it is interesting to point out how very different all our bodies are shaped even when we find ourselves way within the healthy/fit guidelines. At the end of the day, the most important part is that we love and respect what our bodies have done for us and what it is capable of doing for us.

As a side note, I was musing this morning on my bike how these hips only really served me well twice in my life. DS1 and DS2. Beyond that, they've kind of been an annoyance as far as my knees are concerned. :lol:

Shannon in ATL
01-13-2009, 01:54 PM
I don't have much in the way of hips either - I have 4.5-5 inches between largest part of hips and waist, too... I always wanted hips... I also have no boobs, so my chest measurement is also almost the same size as my waist... My mom described me last week as a 'bonestick'- while I found that offensive considering her tiny 83 pound body, I can somewhat see the point when I look at measurements like that! I'm hoping weight training will give me some more definition in some places (like my non-booty! :) ), and I'm having the boobs surgically taken care of next week...

01-13-2009, 01:56 PM
What's your surgery date, Shannon? (if you want to share---just want to be thinking of you that day!)

Shannon in ATL
01-13-2009, 02:00 PM
1/22. A week from Thursday. 9:30 am EST. 8 days, 20.5 hours from today.

Not that I'm obsessively counting down to the day, or anything. :)

01-13-2009, 02:12 PM
I used to have something like an 11 inch difference between hips and waist. I was just looking in the mirror this morning thinking my booty will never go away.

01-13-2009, 02:13 PM
Alena, my waist is still bigger than my hips, so I'm not measuring! lol. All my weight just settles right in the middle. It's much, much better than this time last year, though, so I'm not complaining. I confess I do get a little jealous when newbs post things like, "I lost 6 pounds and 2 pants sizes already!" I had to lose over 40 lbs just to go down one size in jeans! (whine)

Lydia, your new gym sounds awesome! I wish I could afford crossfit, or find something like it. I like the idea of actually getting to know some people. I guess I'm used to that from skating. Working out at the Y is definitely a solitary experience, unless you bring your own workout buddy.

I had a good at-home workout last night. Couldn't get enthused about the LB lifting at home, so I did the crossfit WOD instead, then some running and skills practice.

Anne, I can't do a handstand pushup yet, I'm just working on the baby steps. There's a video somewhere that shows the progressions, but I am not having any luck finding it right now. :(

01-13-2009, 03:04 PM
Ah, CHeryl, I'm with you. My weight is in my waist/abdomen, but with plenty in my butt as well. I'm in danger of having clown legs on my pants. If not for the waist, I'd wear a smaller size, but when I try them on (same brand, next size down) the pockets gap and it's a struggle to do up the button. But the legs are much better. :) Oh well, I'm pushing the cardio to help shift some of that.

Good luck with your surgery Shannon. Wish I could share some of my boobs with you. :lol: I'd love to be smaller, but family genetics on both side really got me. No one on either side smaller than a DD! Even if I did a reduction now, I doubt I'd get rid of the grooves in my shoulders.

Okay, I'm procrastinating here. Time to get to work.

01-13-2009, 03:26 PM
Shannon:I wish you the best of luck and results with your surgery. Please keep us posted with how you are doing post op. :hug: How exciting though.

Cheryl: Hey thanks about the thumbs up on the gym. Actually, this place was not more expensive than my Y membership. I think that if I opted for the higher level membership which included nutritional advice then it would have been but I really don't think that's something I need. I am considering having my resting metabolic rate tested though. I'm always concerned that I'm undereating when I am trying to lean out or working harder in the summer. But really, I'm sure I more than make up for that in the winter coat months. :devil:

The Y was a bit of a solitary workout experience but after a while I did get to know several of the regular members. After four years it would have been pretty bad if I was that anonymous. :lol:

01-13-2009, 04:00 PM
:cheer: I got the ALL - CLEAR on my 6 month visit with Dr. Urology today! :cheer:

So Mel, I think I can cut down on the lemonade now, and hopefully see more of a loss from it. But I'll tell ya, I was more than willing to gain 10 lbs from drinking it if it kept me off the surgery table. It wasn't that bad tho - maybe 4 or 5 lbs by cutting it 50/50 with water? It is alot of sugar, but you do what ya gotta do.

Signing in here with the 10-12" gap b/w waist and hips - first noticed in jr. high by the band boy who told me I had such child bearing hips. At the time, after I processed it for a looong time (7th grade, come on!) I think I wanted to slug him. Now I have no idea if it was a slam or not! :lol: Anyway, that much hasn't changed and I have gained proportionately. I can NEVER wear jeans unless they are sick mom jeans. I can put 2 fists in my waistband when I sit down and with today's styles, there's no mystery about what day of the week it is either, if you get my drift! ha ha I'm too giddy about my kidney u/s being all clear. I'll go spread cheer somewhere else! Shannon, GL with the surgery. I need to do the same thing, get the kids put back up where they belong. I'm short waisted, it's a mess.

01-13-2009, 04:55 PM
Yay Fran!

01-13-2009, 06:22 PM
:cheer: I got the ALL - CLEAR on my 6 month visit with Dr. Urology today! :cheer: WONDERFUL! :hug:

01-14-2009, 02:49 AM
Fran, congratulations! :celebrate:

Midwife, I meant to say the other day, WTG with the weights on the shoulder press...you are strong! :strong: My shoulders are still so weak, but they're better than they were a year ago, so there's hope for me yet, I think.

Lydia, maybe if I could be more like you and Mel, doing some crazy antics with the swiss ball or hanging upside down from the pull-up bar, I'd get noticed. :rofl: Hey, somebody might talk to me, at least! ;) I just pay the membership so I can use the assisted pull-up machine. :love: Once I get a real pull-up, I might be outta there. I joined the Y so my boy could go, too, but he never wants to go when I do.

Everybody else gets the :wave:, because I still haven't done my workout.

01-14-2009, 09:39 AM
Honestly, I'm pretty incognito when I'm there. It's a little different when I go in the mid morning or Saturday but at 5:30am no one is talking to anyone. We're all just lucky to walk through that door at that hour. I think I only draw attention to myself when I actually make loud noises like dropping a free bar on the metal railing that circles the fitness area. Good times. :o

I slipped in for an early workout today before the two to four inches of snow was scheduled to drop today. I think that my bike is bothering my knees. I was miserable most of the day yesterday. It still troubles me a little but not as bad. I'll have to adjust the seat to see if it makes a difference.

Here's a weird thing. I've noticed that when I do a back squat that is light for me, my knees hurt like they are broken matchsticks. As soon as I add that magical ten pounds then there is no pain. Could it be that when I go heavy my form changes from a slight forward lean to something that engages more of my hips and glutes which automatically corrects my alignment. For instance, when I go heavy my knees do not go past my toes as much? Just a thought.

Have a great morning everyone.

01-14-2009, 10:25 AM
Good luck with the surgery! I was thinking of you this morning .... as I pondered which bra to wear. I am seriously running out of underwear .... D cup it way too big now and of course, in summer, I chucked all my old C cup bras (well, they were kinda worn) .... so I may be hitting the stores on the weekend in search of new bras.
I did consider boob reduction surgery - somebody I know (and who I thought had even smaller boobs than me) had it done and OHIP footed the bill .... but I never explored the option with my doctor. Looks like the problem took care of itself (other than the fact that I was always noticeably bigger on the left side than on the right).

I have been so hungry (and, unfortunately, eating) these past few days. Don't know what's wrong with me. Last night, I shoveled for an hour and did Zumba for an hour. My shoulders seem to have [almost] recovered so upper body tonight.

01-14-2009, 03:14 PM
Lydia, interesting about the squats. I've noticed something is wrong with my squat this time around, cuz my knees are crunching big time, even on BW squats (no pain, though). Before I hurt my arm, I was doing really well and my knees were quiet. Maybe they're just out of shape or I've screwed up my form somehow. Of course, a BB might help, because with DBs it's like perpetual front squats. :dizzy: When do you go to the new gym? I can't wait to hear all the details!

Alena, I'm thinking of putting out a flyer, "Lost: 2 boobs. REWARD." Apparently, I was carrying 20 lbs of fat in my chest. ;) Hope you get past the hungries there. Some days I'm like that, and even extra protein doesn't do the trick, but I'm trying to stay POP so I can get out of the 180s. I read in a book that the author told herself that the hunger was, "what it feels like to burn fat." So, when I feel like eating and know I shouldn't, I think of that, and it usually helps me get past it.

01-14-2009, 06:30 PM
Hi guys. I've managed to cripple myself again. Did my fbwo this morning and now I wish I could amputate my arms. Shoulders down to fingertips, I have to seriously consider typing emails at this point, as everything just seems so hard. I took my weight to ATL and worked out, so what's the deal? I'm in such pain it made me get up and check the calendar - yep, it's been 3 weeks since I worked out. :sp: I worked out while there but apparently have done nothing since being home. I knew that, just had lost track of time. ugh Literally about 4 hrs after my workout ended, the severe pain began. It's giving me the willies in my stomach to move. This was the same routine I was doing before I went on vaca.

:nono: Let this be a lesson to anyone thinking of walking away from the weights for even only 3 weeks.

Luckily, my lower body is fine. I'm sure that's just waiting to get me tomorrow. :faint:

Shannon in ATL
01-14-2009, 11:12 PM
Thanks for all the good wishes on the surgery!

I had to go to a funeral this morning, but I made it home in time this afternoon to do my workout on the Weider. Finally!

Lydia - that makes sense about the squats. When you are carrying a little lighter you might roll a little more than you realize, can't do it with the heavier weight. Hmm.

Alena - I was very hopeful that I wouldn't lose in my boobies - they were actually the last thing I lost... Well, except for the tummy I'm still working on... The boobs stuck around long enough that I started to get a little cocky about not losing them, then it seemed like they were all gone in a week...

Sportmom - I'm so glad you were released from your doctor! And sad that you are in so much pain... :(

Cheryl - I like that quote about hunger being what it feels like to burn fat... I'm going to think about that right now as I go downstairs wanting a snack...

01-15-2009, 08:19 AM
Shannon- Best wishes!

Fran- Welcome back to reality :lol: Maybe you need to back off a little on the weight for a week or two ;) I'd hate to think how your legs are going to feel if you have an equivalent workout and reaction!

I've been having good workouts but hard food days. Work is chaos...home is chaos...I'm tired. Those are excuses :rolleyes:


01-15-2009, 09:25 AM
Fran, I'd say that the majority of parents wait with their kids in the car, or actually drive them to school. If you don't have a garage, yes, most folks warm up their cars for 5-10 minutes.

Coming to this late, as usual. But, when The Boy complains about the cold, I occasionally point out what life was like growing up in Fairbanks some 25 years ago:

- cross-country ski practice moved indoors at -40F. Usually if it got that cold our coach would drive us to the bottom of Murphy Dome and tell us to run up to the top, because it was typically ten degrees warmer (i.e., -30F) up there. The run was long enough that most people were in shorts by the time they made it to the top. (Hmmm, maybe this is why I have an aversion to cardio...)
- x-country ski races were canceled at -20F. This sounds balmy, until you consider that racing attire is basically lycra and glorified tennis shoes. And, the colder the snow, the slower you go.
- school became optional at -60F, because the school buses didn't run. My dad and I used to take the city bus into school/his work. This entailed a 1.25 mile walk -- uphill both ways, of course -- to the nearest stop. (Talk about snotsicles!)
- we couldn't drive in because my dad's parking lot didn't have outlets to plug in the car. At -60F, bad things happen to engine blocks and radiators. Power door lock mechanisms often stop working too, meaning some people got locked out of their cars, but our car didn't have them anyway.
- wind chill adjustments didn't count. Only sissies complained about wind chill.

Stay warm, everyone!

Oh, and be strong...

01-15-2009, 10:16 AM
Pat and Kaw: It amazes me that people can actually live normal lives through that. Skiing in sub zero weather. That's diehard. I was originally going to complain about the freeze we got here today that followed the five inches of snow from yesterday but I think I'll just keep quiet.

On that note, I opted not to get out of bed for my 5:30am workout. A couple of lost workouts I can live with. Losing my car in a snowbank...not so much. I'll be good to go tomorrow. DS1 has the day off from school so I'll take him into the Y with me and make him do some cardio. :devil:

01-15-2009, 11:27 AM
Hi all...

I've been mostly lurking because well I've felt so unmotivated lately!! I got sick and it was an excellent excuse to be unmotivated but still. I was starting to feel better but couldn't kick the fog hanging around me. I didn't want to walk the dogs or anything (DH made up for my slacking). Yesterday I did walk them though.

This morning though I got up before my alarm and picked up my kettlebells. I did one of my kettlebelle workouts. I think I'm going to try doing those again. It was a toss up between starting NRLW or kettlebells and I really like kettlebells so I went with that.

01-15-2009, 12:55 PM
Hi Nelie :wave: It's so nice to see you here. I was thinking about you the other day and hoping that everything is okay.

Motivation for exercise is still pretty strong for me but I'm having a little lack food motivation over here. I truly was FINE until the holidays hit. Just within the last couple of weeks all I can think about are carbs. It sounds like it's a little common throughout right now. It must be the time of year, weather, slight burn out from continuously making conscious food choices. When I get cold and I'm trapped in the house, I want to eat. Excuses I know. Anyway, just wanted to say I'm glad you posted and lets muddle through these next few cold days all together.

01-15-2009, 02:49 PM
Hey all, well, 2 doses of motrin got me thru the nite last nite, once after I typed to you and one taken at bedtime. I knew I would be mitey mad if I woke up just due to arm pain. I feel much better today. Got the cardio done first thing this morning so that I could get a jump start on any pain. No lower body pain today, thank goodness, but I know tomorrow will be what counts.

Yeah, I can't complain about the weather either. I was just reading pastaqueen's blog about her trip to colorado, and it reminded me of why i am so happy to live here and not there anymore. At least here it's just cold, but not scary. And at least here we don't even get serious snow dumps like we did in Pa. I won't even mention our single digit windchill, cuz I know kim doesn't want to hear about it! ;) But thanks kim for sharing your story of growing up. Perspective is good.

Well, we got notice yesterday that our number is finally up at the little neighborhood pool we attempted to join in 2006!!! So, I have extra motivation to stay on the straight and narrow - only 4 scary months until Mem. Day weekend!! :beach: I'd prefer to at least have some good progress since our pediatrician was also above us on the wait list and will be a regular there now. A little professional-induced shame might keep me motivated between now and then. Actually, workouts are not the problem at all, it's the food. I'm just such a darn limited eater that unless I plan to have chicken breast each day for lunch, it gets to be slim pickings. And then I stray. (non fish, non ctgchz, non protein heavy eater) Any new suggestions people haven't already given me in the last 3 years??? :lol3:

01-15-2009, 05:17 PM
Oh Fran, I'm a nutritional nightmare for lunch I'm afraid. I eat basically the same thing. Four scrambled egg whites on whole wheat toast with fresh spinach and a slice of Kraft nonfat cheese. I throw in a side of fruit with it too. It's a nutritional nightmare because I eat it almost every day. I think it's because I'm just to lazy to make anything else. But hey, if you can eat eggs there you go, another idea besides chicken breast. (Man, we eat so many poultry products in this forum I'm surprised we don't sprout feathers.) :lol:

01-15-2009, 06:23 PM
My lunch is mostly beans. Refried are my favorite. With some veggies. I'll also make lentil soup.

And I had been struggling with food lately too, well up until a couple days ago, I was fine... and then I had a minor slip which turned into a bigger slip which never turns out good.

01-15-2009, 07:40 PM
Hi - actual above freezing temps here again today, and school cancelled because the buses can't get down the icy subdivision/side roads. We're a bit whimpier than Fairbanks, where as Kim noted, it is seriously cold. :brr:

Fran, lunches are always a hassle aren't they. THis week I brought in sliced turkey, Flat Out wraps (light, original - which are ww), lettuce, "roasted" red peppers, and made a sandwich. One day I had some low cal soup with it. I also have lean cuisines here in case I forget or run out of other stuff, but they're not my favorite. I also usually have soup, applesauce, and Luna bars. It keeps me out of the candy and stuff that appears in our lunch room. One lunch I really like is a mock taco salad with lettuce, tomatoes, and sometimes avocdo. I substitute warmed up black beans for the hamburger, forget the cheese, and top with a mixture of ff or lf sour cream and salsa (the warm beans make the topping thinner and runnier, so it coats everything well). I often eat a ww tortilla with this. I've been tracking my food in Fitday again for a bit and find that I'm still low on protein, though as I haven't been lifting much lately, that's not as big a problem as it could be. I also need to rethink some of my food choices.....

01-16-2009, 08:18 AM
I pretty much do the same thing for lunch everyday as well.

I take 2 bags of frozen stir-fry vegetables
6-8 oz precooked protein
and throw them in a covered pan on medium heat for about 20 minutes, then stir in a 1/2 cup - cup of some type of curry sauce (or occassionally soy sauce).

My favorites are Italian style chicken sausage in Jalfrezo curry sauce, Salmon Burger (Trident brand) in Red Curry Sauce, and Ground beef in Rogan Josh Curry.

I split the above into two servings and take one to work each day for lunch.

01-16-2009, 08:21 AM
I've been in a 5 year lunch rut, but I don't mind. BIG salad with some sort of protein and a small bit of carb dumped on top. My favorite is cold turkey chili, though the past couple of days I've been tempted to scrape the chili of and microwave it at work.

01-16-2009, 08:42 AM
Hey everyone! Im here but Im frozen!! It is -30C with the wind right nowI think thats about -22F, if I did my math correctly. FREEZING!!

I was in LA last week, my friend that it was a bit chilly when I got there at about 65F but it went up to closer to 80 and wowwas that nice. I hope I got a little Vitamin D in. :)

So, DH joined the gym, as I think I mentioned. He went for a fitness assessment, which he called an exercise in humility and to visit the nutritionist. Do you know the first thing he tells me? I need more protein. No!!! Really?? Ive only been saying that for a year or more. I think hes slowly coming over to our side. Yay! :carrot:

He also got a few personal training sessions, which Im thrilled about since hopefully hell learn a lot, but not thrilled about the cost! ;) Cant have everything right? Oh, and he also went shopping and came home with brown rice, chicken breasts, cottage cheese and eggs!

Lunches? Thats a tough one. Were struggling too. I tend to do soups or salads or leftovers. When Im really stuck at work, its a protein bar or natural peanut butter on Wasa crackers. Not great, but good when youre really stuck.

Lydia - are you home for that lunch or do you make it in advance? I need ideas that carry to work, but I think I could do that. We have a fridge and a microwave so that helps.

Shannon - I too would make a "donation" if I could. I don't think mine are ever going anywhere!! ;)

Pat - your taco salad sounds good! I know I am also still too low on the protein. I tend to struggle for "breakfast protein" the most. I got some new protein powder that I guess I might have to start having sometimes. It's the easiest, I guess.

Time to do some work! Have a great day.


01-16-2009, 03:05 PM
Elisa - sorry you're suffering from the high pressure area - which results in the cold - that we sent over from Alaska. We had it for 3 weeks, and I was not a happy camper! :brr: I'm loving this 40 degree weather, esp today as the wind has died down from the past two days. :)

Mel - why not take the chili and salad in separate containers? I do that and put warm chili over my salad. Really good over spinach. I've been known to do that with Smart Ones or Lean Cuisine Beans and RIce lunches too.

DePalma - yum - your lunches sound great. I actually have at least one jar of curry sauce in my cupboard. May have to try this one. I bought some lean turkey meatballs last week, with Italian seasoning. They are really good, even DH liked them.

Re: protein. I'm really trying to have it at every meal. I just had a snack of a hard-boiled egg mushed up with a smidge of mayo spread on a FlatOut ww wrap (light original, 90 cals, 9g protein). I don't know what's for lunch (eating out with a friend), but we're having a spinach salad with grilled chicken for dinner (with some carb on the side for DH - probably a roll).

Today is a rest day, but I'm planning to be at the gym by 8 am tomorrow, as I have a quilting meeting at 10, and then I'd have the rest of the day without worrying about when I'll get to the gym. I do so wish they'd open on Sundays.

01-16-2009, 03:16 PM
Pat - 40 degrees sounds balmy today! :rofl: And I should look at our WW wraps. I wouldn't have thought that you could get 9g of protein from the wrap. That sounds like a great snack. Thanks!


01-16-2009, 03:48 PM
So, hold on to your seats people, I have the newish BFL "Champions" book and I'm toying with doing a 12 week challenge. I've never done a real one. But last nite in the fear that evening brings, I really thought I had it in me to eat 12 weeks of brown rice, ckn breast, and steamed broccoli. All things that I eat just fine anyway, just not so often as 100% of the time, all the time, for 12 weeks. I asked dh if he would consider joining me, but he gave me a laundry list of why it wouldn't work. Hmm, no help there. Could I really eat that clean that long? Would it really make that much more of a difference than the way I currently eat? Questions, questions. I almost want to say I feel VERY strongly that I'm committed enough to mark off the next 12 weeks on the calendar and commit to it. And then follow that with the next 12 weeks of doing it my way and see the difference. I'm already doing the workouts - except I do 3 sets, not 5, which is what is recommended (not sure if that is new or original). I think I will try their recipe for the HIIT cardio tho, that would be new for me, 20 minutes. But more than 3x/week I think. I do realize that this is no longer written by Bill Phillips and instead it's done by Abbott Labs now.

Anyway, I feel my muscles getting bigger/stronger now from my lifting, it's just a renewed focus on burning off the fat with some good cardio that i think needs to be my main focus. (and finding lo-sodium ctgchs that I will choke down if it kills me!)

01-16-2009, 04:26 PM
Once you find it Fran (and let me tell you I had to look at ctgchs for a full minute before I figured out what it said :lol: ) try blending it, maybe add a spoonful of yogurt, then mix with fruit. Am I right that it's the texture that bothers you? THe yogurt alone without the blending will smooth it out.

As for the 12 weeks - do you mean really just brown rice, chicken and broccoli? You're a braver woman than me! My next-door-neighbor's son-in-law is a bodybuilder and this (or grilled salmon) is what he eats getting ready for a competition. I even watched him pass up everything at a Thanksgiving dinner.....

I've been doing really well eating clean this week, though I succumbed to a peice of homemade cake - without frosting - last night at a church council meeting. Back on the wagon today though. DH even made oatmeal on the stove this for us this morning - he almost never eats oatmeal, so this really surprised me.

01-16-2009, 05:25 PM
Well, no, not entirely only that. But that would probably be my mainstay since I don't like fish and can't do the protein shakes or supplements. But as dh reminded me just now as we were planning for dinner, with kids, I better be prepared to make 2 meals each nite. While they LIKE chicken and broccoli, they probably won't want it every nite. :lol: sigh My plan would need to include having spaghetti one nite a week, a breaded chicken breast, maybe a chicken/cheese quesadilla, then i could fill the other 4 nites with grilled chicken, turkey chili, and 2 repeaters.

If it's calories in vs calories out and I'm staying at my limit, I guess the "really clean" food will lean me out more/faster, but would it be that more dramatic than being "just" a calorie counter? And I'm not talking a CC who includes going to BK for breakfast or other fast food in the plan - I mean a fairly, relatively healthy CC.

01-16-2009, 06:11 PM
I'm a little embarrassed here, cuz I pretty much live on brocc, spinach salad, chicken breast and salmon. :D I'm a calorie counter who doesn't like counting, so I just plug in a day's worth at TDP, and when I get the macros and calories right, I eat that same stuff till I'm sick of it, then I figure out a new menu when I change something out. No brainer CCing, lol.

Still stuck at home with a broked van. I'm out of ideas for what's wrong, since electrical isn't my strong suit, so I've called for help. Haven't heard back, but hopefully I can get somebody who knows more than I do to take a look and help me get a diagnosis, since replacing the wrong parts could get expensive quick. Unfortunately, the Y doesn't allow dogs, or I'd just drive the team over there. :s:

01-17-2009, 03:44 AM
Cheryl, what exactly is broken re your van? I seem to remember that your wipers went dead and that you replaced the switch and the motor? Did you test the old motor with a separate voltage source? Did you check the electrical circuit with a voltmeter to see if you have the correct voltage at the switch and at the motor ? Often in winter it is the electrical connectors that give the problems for instance from cossosion, either from the battery side or from the mass side. Or if the wipers went dead during a drive it could also mean that a connector was shaken loose. If the connectors are accessible it might be a good idea to check them with the voltmeter and use the spray stuff on suspect connections.

Good luck on the repairs. no fun having to work on a car in the cold and wet and dark of winter.


01-17-2009, 10:59 AM
Wow. You go Rabbit!

Don't mind me...I just know how to change a flat and check the fluids every once in a while. What else do you know Rabbit? You amaze me!

01-17-2009, 01:30 PM
Fran - Let me know what you decide! I've also given some thought to following the BFL food. I'm torn on the 12 weeks...I go back and forth between thinking that it's not that long at all, and thinking holy crap, that's a long time! ;) For now I'm trying a modified version. My DH's visit to the nutritionist has put us closer to the BFL system, without calling it that.

Still crazy cold here today. :brr: I could really use a little of this :beach:

Rabbit - very impressive!! ;)


Shannon in ATL
01-17-2009, 01:47 PM
I wrote this long post earlier, addressed different people, etc - had two different windows open so I could scroll up and down in one and type in the other... Then, I clicked back a page in the wrong window and lost the entire thing... :(

Fran - good luck with the 12 week program, if you decide to go for it.

Rabbit - Wow!

Cheryl - bummer about the van. And, I tend to do the same thing as you on TDP - I put in a few meals and just have them over and over and over and over...

Pay - I just found those Flat Out light wraps last week, love them!

Elisa - I think if my DH went to a fitness assessment right now he would come home with the same kinds of things I've been saying for a while, also! I bet it was nice to have the validation of the trainer to back up what you've been saying, though! Maybe now he will pay more attention!

Mel - I've never done chili on a salad before, but it really sounds yummy. I have to try that!

It has warmed up here today, so now is 36 degrees, instead of the 17 it was when I got up... It is supposed to be warmer than this in Georgia! :(

01-17-2009, 03:13 PM
Rabbit, I don't know what's wrong with it now. The battery was bad, no big surprise since it was about time for that, but I think it burned some connection or link somewhere, and I have to track that down and see what the damage is. I'll be taking another look at it today, and maybe I'll get lucky with the tester and track down the problem.

Did UB lifting at home last night. Was fried from a long run the night before, and really should have taken a rest day, so the workout was a slog. Might take a rest day today and see if it helps, because I am still feeling pretty beat and my everything hurts, but maybe I'll feel better later. :shrug:

Today will be spent dealing with a few of the urgent projects at home. I'd like to clear the "it's a freakin' emergency" projects out today, so I can spend some time with the taxes and the '09 budget/calendar tonight or tomorrow.

Shannon, glad things are warming up a bit. 36 is normal for our winter temps, but I understand if you're not used to it, you're probably freezing!

01-17-2009, 06:57 PM
Cheryl, Yeah, that's what I would do as well: try to follow the electric path from the battery & check the connections with the tester as you go along. Bad connections are always difficult to find. Good luck!

Hi to all the other maintainers! I'm not out to impress you people...I just have a lot of sympathy for any other mother who is stuck with car repairs in winter. Been there, done that, did not buy the T-shirt.

I'm still mostly lurking because I fell of the wagon big time & am struggling to get back on...thanks for all the inspiration !


01-17-2009, 09:29 PM
I'm torn on the 12 weeks...I go back and forth between thinking that it's not that long at all, and thinking holy crap, that's a long time! ;)

Oh so true! But I keep thinking, you know what, 12 weeks is going to come and go whether i'm on a good plan or not. So I should just do it, kwim?

01-18-2009, 04:08 AM
Fran, what's the new BFL challenge like, for lifting exercises? Is it still the 12-10-8-6-12-12 sets, 2 exercises per muscle/group/bodypart (whatever, lol)? Just curious what changes, if any, have been made to the challenge. :chin:

Rabbit, thanks for the support and ideas. Electrical, esp DC, is not my specialty...okay, I'm just this side of clueless if it's more complicated than "unhook this wire harness, hook it to the new one", lol.

No workout for me today. Took a rest day. Feel much better tonight!

01-18-2009, 08:32 AM
Cheryl, no sweat about the electricity. I find that this stuff is usually much less complicated than people in the know make you think. It has something to do with ego. I've been amazed these past years about how much I actually was able to do just by starting to do it. And BTW, the electricity problem might also maybe just be a blown fuse. Did you check the fuse box?

Have a great weekend all,

01-18-2009, 10:32 PM
Fran, what's the new BFL challenge like, for lifting exercises? Is it still the 12-10-8-6-12-12 sets, 2 exercises per muscle/group/bodypart (whatever, lol)? Just curious what changes, if any, have been made to the challenge. :chin:

Hi Cheryl, Yeah, it's still 12-10-8-6-12, and a final 12 on the final exercise of each body part. Still with increasing weights until the final sets of 12 reps. I don't know if the cardio has changed, but I did the HIIT workout Friday nite, which was quite an experience and triggered my coughing-type asthma for the rest of the evening. I think I could keep doing it though. I think the weights would take me longer to do this way. They still want you to wait 1 min b/w sets. Here's the link (http://bodyforlife.com/exercise/weighttraining.asp) to the online site so you can see what looks familiar.

01-19-2009, 03:37 AM
Fran, yeah that looks the same. I still use those sets sometimes, because they are challenging and fun, especially when I'm stuck home for lifting and don't have enough weight to lift heavy...those sets will wear me out with a lighter weight, which is nice! It's a pain to change the weight every set, though, which I have to do at home since I only have DB bars and plates right now. Not so bad at the gym, though,with all the right equipment. Did you decide if you're doing a challenge or not?

Rabbit, thanks! :hug: I haven't gotten into it yet. I'm out of money for parts right now, so I've decided to focus on projects I can actually finish, then I will look at the van when I have the funds for buying parts, if needed.

No workout again. Meant to work out tonight, but ended up going to a movie after my sister's bday dinner. Ugh, the dinner was about a million cals, so I hope it won't be too hard to work off whatever gain I'll get out of it!

01-19-2009, 08:31 AM
Morning, chickies.

All my chatter about cross-country skiing in cold temps gave me the x-country ski itch. So, yesterday I rented some skiis (my old skiis delaminated and bit the dust about 3 moves ago) and went toodling around the local arboretum and golf course. Some observations:

- cross-country skiing really is like riding a bicycle. I haven't skied for years, but I felt "at home" on the skinny skiis. Was pleased to find that within a few minutes, my muscles had "remembered" how to ski-skate, do skate turns, snowplow without doing a face plant, etc.
- that being said, I made my share of stitz-marks, and I'm sure I didn't set any records for speed or distance.
- golf courses made for good, if somewhat boring, ungroomed skiing. Arboretums suffer from the problem of too many plants! :)
- I'm sore this morning. Cross-country skiing, particularly skating techniques, are murder on the quads and glutes.

I need more coffee, and I can hear The Boy rustling around upstairs. (No school because of MLK day.) Off I go.

Be strong,

01-19-2009, 08:54 AM
Happy Monday :wave:

I'm going to work today although the bank is closed, so that I can go siing on Thursday without the crowds.

Kim- I was astounded how much like riding a bicycle skiing was. I hadn't skied in YEARS when my daughter dragged me out last year and I fell in love all over again. I think I sold my ski equipment in 1980. Last year I bought all new equipment- very different! and am hooked again.

Long run on Saturday but no lifting. Cardio done this morning and will have a long lift at lunch time :)

Fran- Are you doing the challenge? It's not really all brown rice, chicken and broccoli! I think you'll find the change really rewarding, both mentally and physically.

01-19-2009, 10:51 AM
Cross country skiing sounds fun although here we'd have to go somewhere to do it. Snow fall doesn't really come until February/March. So maybe there would be a week if that to try it out. You couldn't pay me enough money to do downhill skiing though...

Today we have little flurries and the weather has warmed up some. I was thinking of all those people at the inauguration tomorrow freezing their butts off. It shouldn't be too bad though.

I'm sore today, did kettlebells yesterday (kettlebelle workout). My husband was funny, he asked me "exactly what is kettlebelle, bell with an e workout" So I told him. He liked how the program sounds, I told him he could do it, he said he wouldn't want to grow any boobs from it...

01-19-2009, 11:34 AM
Nelie, thought about you over the weekend when I saw an infomercial for KBell, with an "e", workout advertised. Can't imagine what s&h would be on that pkg tho! :faint: It looked like they only gave you a 1 or 2 lb belle with the set, I guess you'd be on your own for the rest.

OK, you guys are really talking me in to this challenge! Thinking of Sunday - so to anyone else who needs 5 days to think about it.....you've been invited to join in!

01-19-2009, 12:36 PM
Fran, huh?! Infomercial? Are you talking about kettlenetics? That is the only thing I could find online. It looks like they use useless small kettlebells.

Kettlebelle with an e is an ebook by a UK girl.

01-19-2009, 02:38 PM
Hi folks I am back.

Its been quite awhile and I don't know what happened but I got busy and distracted and now I am needing to kick my butt back in gear. I cracked open The New Rules book (I have the one for guys but its the same info right?) and started the intro workouts. I can't lift jack. But thats how it goes I suppose I can only get better this way. For cardio I am doing the Jillian Michaels workouts which I am liking right now and then the 100 push up challenge. A year ago I could do a pullup now I can't even look at the pullup bar without getting sore. I'll have to remember how I worked up to that.

Anyhow big wave to everyone. I am going to go read and catch up.

01-19-2009, 06:17 PM
I'll join you on Sunday, Sportmom. I was all set to start this week, but I got a tooth abcess <ouch>. So I'm all set to have TWO root canals on Friday. I should be okay to start on Sunday. I think my hunny and I will start to eat "clean" until then.

I've been lurking here for a bit. Nice to formally "meet" all of you. I'm 40 with a mouthy 16 year old and a very out of shape husband. I'm fortunate to live in Florida where the weather is a balmy 65 degrees today. I've tried each and every diet out there - some more than once. I'm determined to do the whole Body For Life thing for 12 weeks, no matter what. The diet seems fine - it's the workouts that seem tough; and I'm a big girl...:o

01-19-2009, 06:39 PM
Kick butt workout today. I really feel like my program is revived. Although it did take a little time to figure out the cable press weights for the last 2 sets of bench press and I ended up doing 2 extra sets. (I mentioned in another thread I tried to peak press without a spotter and got stuck so I am moving to machines for the highest 2 sets)

I ran out of time at the end and cut my cooldown short. tsk tsk.

Mel - I tried to talk myself into doing the dumbell press instead of the cable and I decided it still was more weight than I wanted over my head without a spotter. I think next series I'll do dumbell press as a series and when I work up to it it will work better.

01-19-2009, 07:50 PM
Lifted lots of boxes this weekend as I cleared out my sewing (i.e. quilting)/crafts room, which also happens to be where we have 3 bookcases (2 talls and a short) worth of books. I'd be done but I ran out of boxes. DH will move the furniture, with the help of some other guys, and then begin carpeting in there. As long as he finishes and gets the furniture back in, I can put it all back together while he's away next month. The boxes are currently stored in our home office, which now resembles one of the rooms in the movies where the crazy reclusive guy has pathways through piles of newspapers and magazines. :lol: Soon the workshop will look that way too, but with furniture instead of boxes.

I did get to the gym first thing Sat morning for cardio; and will go again tonight between getting off work and going to a 7pm meeting. DH has a yoga class, so we'll be having dinner about 8 or 8:30... groan. On the other hand, I won't be tempted to overeat as I hate going to bed on a full stomach.

01-19-2009, 10:44 PM
Welcome back hikerchick :) I think New Rules of Lifting and New Rules of Lifting for Women share a lot of similarities but they aren't the exact same workout. It'll be a good balanced workout though.

Welcome Michelle :)

01-19-2009, 11:21 PM
Michelle - great!! We have a good match to start. Close in ages (44 here), height, and starting weights as well. This will be a real good experiment to see what BFL can do for our types. I googled to see if BFL works for the larger size crowd (more than 70 to lose) but didn't come up with anything, likely just because there aren't a ton of large people out there reading/doing BFL. I did find some success stories on the website and one 41 yo who dropped from an 18 to an 8 in a single challenge, so I'm guessing it's possible. Make sure to take starting photos so that we can share between us our progress at the end. I was looking at the calendar today, and yeah, Elisa's right. 12 weeks is a LONG time. It takes us to the mid of April (tax week) and then if i do my comparison self-plan after, it takes me to the end of July. Jeeps! Elisa, it's not too late, join in! ;)

I told dh I was debating it and said it was hard (sitting at a friendly's where we took the kids after a swim meet) bc I could do a 12 wk challenge but if I start going to a friendly's again afterward, i'll just gain it all right back. So i take the joy of life out of my kids' world too? Yeah, pack my own lunch at friendly's. No thanks! ANyway, I said, just the same, I think I'm staring sunday. He gave me the typical - "why not start tomorrow." And I said, "cuz BFL starts on Sundays!" For once, a legit reason as to why I was not starting right away - lol!!

If anyone cares to chime in, from a trainer perspective, what does the pyramiding of weights do for you on the lifting portion? I guess it's supposed to really tax the muscle, is that it?

01-20-2009, 07:42 AM
Happy Hump Day, LWL!

OK, so it isn't really Wednesday yet. But, it is Day 4 of my self-imposed "no excuses" challenge of clean eating. Day 4 is often one of the toughest for me: the initial burst of enthusiasm is fading and The Boy's box of Triscuits starts to look mighty enticing. Once I make it through Day 4, though, I gain a second wind that carries me through for quite a while.

I'm in fat loss mode, not maintenance mode, so "clean eating" also means "reduced calories." After 3 days of this -- and undoubtedly a lot of lost water weight -- I'm back down to my ticker weight. The last and hardest 5 lbs are still located somewhere in the general vicinity of my backside.

I've been reading the thread on 100 pushups. I'm usually skeptical about single-exercise programs, but this one sounds reasonably fun. Well, maybe fun isn't the right word. Anywho, I'm not starting it today: yesterday's shoulder workout included elevated pushups (feet elevated by about 4, um, feet, with the hope of eventually being able to do handstand pushups). This morning I had to ask DH to help me hook my bra. (Which he did, after about 10 minutes of giggling. Better 10 minutes of giggling than 10 hours of jiggling.)

Be strong,

01-20-2009, 08:45 AM
Better 10 minutes of giggling than 10 hours of jiggling

Be strong,

Wiser words have never been spoken. :lol:

01-20-2009, 09:02 AM
Fran - I'm thinking about the BFL eating plan but, to be honest, I don't think I have it in me to do it by myself. I'll propose it to DH but I'm not sure if we're quite there right now? You know what I mean? I have a feeling that you'll see great results!!

I did a pretty nice UB workout yesterday and the food is pretty on track. One day, maybe even one meal, at a time!


01-20-2009, 09:14 AM
Oh so true! But I keep thinking, you know what, 12 weeks is going to come and go whether i'm on a good plan or not. So I should just do it, kwim?

12 weeks from this upcoming Sunday is Easter, I think.

What's the plan?

I don't have the BFL book, per se, but I would be up for a 12 week challenge of super clean eats, challenging cardio, and heavy lifting. :D

01-20-2009, 01:32 PM
No need for the book, as it's all online now as well. bodyforlie.com

Yes, I saw that it got me thru tax day and easter. that's good - usually alot of people eating healthy during that time of lent. there will be support.

01-20-2009, 02:28 PM
Fran, I'd be up for a 12 wk challenge, but I don't want to follow BFL exactly, since I've found a good workout and eats schedule that's working for me. I'm willing to report in and keep it OP, though, and I am already doing an upper/lower split, so is that close enough to join you for the 12 weeks?

01-20-2009, 02:43 PM
Thanks for the online option Fran. I guess if I followed the BFL plan I could quit asking for advice on my DIY program. :D Although their listed exercises seems limiting.

01-20-2009, 04:03 PM
Fran, I'd be up for a 12 wk challenge, but I don't want to follow BFL exactly, since I've found a good workout and eats schedule that's working for me. I'm willing to report in and keep it OP, though, and I am already doing an upper/lower split, so is that close enough to join you for the 12 weeks?

Absolutely! :yes:

Thanks for the online option Fran. I guess if I followed the BFL plan I could quit asking for advice on my DIY program. :D Although their listed exercises seems limiting.

Really? How so. Maybe you should get the book again. You can do any type of cardio you want, they just give you the formula for the HIIT. And for weight lifting, that's a pretty standard menu to choose from. Ask more questions so we can help you sort thru it.

01-20-2009, 05:14 PM
Dixie, those are just some basic options to give people an idea of what to do. If you have some other exercises you prefer, as long as you're working all the right parts for the day, it's all good!

Fran, okay, I'm in, then. Lemme know when it starts, and if you're doing so on another thread. :) Midwife, you in?

01-20-2009, 05:34 PM
OK, it's this Sunday. Hadn't planned to start another thread, just update in here, but.... that was also when I was alone! :chin:

01-20-2009, 07:21 PM
I had downloaded a sheet that listed a few exercises for each muscle group, but I needed to look at the blank one instead. That probably didn't make sense, here's the blank sheet I finally found: http://bodyforlife.com/exercise/downloads/bfl_charts.pdf

Okay, If I'm not limited to the exercises on the first sheet I download from their site, I'm in. Guess that takes care of my set-rep question, my shoulder question, and the trap/forearm question. Good. That's what I call a productive day, almost time to go home and actually lift something. :D

Wait, I have more BFL questions...

Is anyone actually going to fill out the challenge papers, take before and after pictures, etc? I don't think I'll actually be entering a round, unless we all do it, but before and after pictures would be a good idea.

I think that's it, for now at least.

01-20-2009, 09:17 PM
I'm not going to enter and submit, but yes, I will take measurements and photos. We don't have to post them here, but those who are interested can pm them around to others. Or you can post them here if you have a really good story to share! ;)

01-20-2009, 09:17 PM
This is awesome!!!!! Let's get pictures and measurements ready. As far as I'm concerned, anybody with any plan is welcome! The point is to work consistently toward your goal. I'd like to lose 40 pounds (HA!) in the next 12 weeks.

I know what you mean, Sportmom, I haven't found a lot of people our size.... How cool - we're breaking new ground!

Come one, come all - I need all the support I can get - how about you??

01-20-2009, 10:36 PM
Oh Geez Fran. Now you started something. Okay. I'm in. I really have been struggling with food the last two weeks. It's been a slow migration away from what I know works and what I'm willing to do. I think I'm a little panicked over the upcoming changes to my gym membership that has me throwing caution to the wind over here. ~sigh~ I'm in. Even though I've done this before, I just really think the first few weeks are going to be a struggle for me so hang in there with me.

What is causing me to do this. The idea that many of us are going to do this. Twelve weeks is a long time but at the end of it I know the results will be astounding. I really would like for all of us to complete this with results we can be proud of for ourselves and for each other. I'm going to take measurements and photos. I'm only going to post the before photos if I can truly see a difference between the two pics. I'll officially begin on Sunday as you suggested but I'm prepping now so that I can get over this crazy carb thing I've got going on.

Grrrrrrr. This is the final push for me to get over the gain and lose cycle over and over again. Thanks Fran, Cheryl, Dixied and Michelle.

01-21-2009, 01:11 AM
Lydia, I'm also joining to help me keep it OP. I've been doing well with food and water, but haven't been following my exercise plan consistently. I'd like to make it through the 12 weeks without missing any workouts due to poor planning or letting "life" get in the way. I'll take measurements and pics, too, since all the cool kids are doin' it!

Totally got distracted there, lol. Originally stopped in to report that I finally got my workout in today. Did a make-up of yesterday's missed LB workout, my usual UB workout, then some easy jogging for 20 mins or so cuz I was listening to a book on tape.

01-21-2009, 09:45 AM
Cheryl, I'm so glad your in. We may be able to inspire your workouts by sharing some new moves as well. Changing things does so much to keep me motivated. I had been hanging with the same routine for months. Mostly because I've just been too busy to really tease my program apart and replace with new. I spent some time last night, about an hour putting something new together for this morning and I just have to say that when I deliberately organize a workout for the upcoming day I get so much more out of it.

So today I did 15 minutes of rowing. (That's thing is a challenge for me and I'm working hard) 25 minutes of interval training on the AMT. I actually got in six intervals today. :woohoo: That felt great. I usually let myself off the hook after three or four.

I did three sets of chin ups followed by three sets of pushups. One set with elbows out and two sets with elbows tucked in. More triceps work there. I then did planks with a stack of five 5lb plates. The plates are stacked on one side and I use the opposite hand to move the plates to the otherside of my body while in the plank position. Then I move them back with the other hand back to the original side. I did this four times for one set. Then it was back to the chin ups. Turned out to be a nice little circuit for me. Followed this up with some low rows and cable flys, lat pull down, chest presses, and then shoulder presses. A little bit of core work (never enough time to really do this. One of the reasons I'm switching gyms, less travel time) and stretching.

I'm hungry, I'm sore, but I feel great.

Okay. I'm really hungry and i've already just completed breakfast. ~sigh~

Hello, anaerobic training. :dizzy:

Have a great morning. :sunny:

01-21-2009, 10:30 AM
:broc:Oh Lydia !! I'm so glad you're joining! I will have questions along the way on the food mostly, I think. You'll be a great help to me! :hug: I got the book from the library again yesterday to start my reading as well. When out with dh yesterday, I remarked that no I wasn't pigging out bc "It doesn't make sense to gain weight just to start BFL on Sunday." Me. I said that. Wow. What a change.

So, first question. I grill my chicken but don't like it plain. I marinate it in a bbq sauce and then remove it from sauce and grill. I don't apply more while cooking. Since I'm not doing low carb, that would be ok, right? I'm thinking ok for BFL, the only place I've seen that as a nono would be low carbing. I hope I'm right bc I really haven't found anything else I like it in. Used to marinate in a healthy olive oil-based salad dressing, but that gave me tummy bubbles.

Sorry for starting this Lydia, but so excited that others are joining!!

01-21-2009, 10:48 AM
If one were to do this challenge from home only, what sort of equipment is mandatory? Would I need a lifting bench? I would work out near steps. Those can be helpful.
I can buy higher weight and more hand weights but I've read about a stacking system.

I like challenges. (Jammer, uh, usually;)) I like this challenge. It seems like the right thing to get thru the winter, not only unscathed but also very much improved :)

I like the vibe around here. :)

ETA: headed to library before challenge start. will research before commit. ;)

01-21-2009, 11:37 AM
Fran: I think marinating it in BBQ sauce is fine. However, you may want to check to see how much sugar is in the sauce. HFC syrup could send you looking for more after dinner and wondering why you have this need to fulfill a sugar fix. :dunno: This is something I can struggle with sometimes. Tea, gum and ice water usually will help in the late evening hours until it passes.

I also know that the Eating for Life cookbook has it's own recipe for BBQ chicken that doesn't have any added sweets. Tomato juice, vinegar, garlic cloves, pepper, worchestershire sauce, hot pepper sauce, diced onion.

Mr Lydia and I having Buffalo Chicken. (sounded good last night after my post to you)

Good luck today. :crossed:

01-21-2009, 12:22 PM
Lucy, hoping you can join us! I do mine completely at home with free weights. I do have a bench, but was recently on vacation w/o one and did everything just fine on the floor. But also, benches are not too costly - can get a cheap sturdy one for like $49 at Wal-Mart if you have the space for one.

01-21-2009, 12:48 PM

If you have an aerobic step you can put it to good use as a lifting bench. Also, we have several places that sell previously owned sporting goods "Play It Again Sports." If you have one close to you check it out for a bench or a step. If you get your hands on an aerobic step you might want to get a thick stretching pad to lay beneath you. Those steps could use a little cushioning when your benching on them.

If you purchase a bench make certain that it is sturdy enough to stand up on. Can you jump on top of it without it wiggling. You want sturdy! I have both, my step father gave me his bench and I cringe at the thought of using it for anything other than bench pressing. It's too small, it's unstable, It's too narrow, and it has a crazy extension on it and it's adjustable. I HATE ADJUSTABLE BENCHES! Unless I'm doing seated presses I won't use them. (Okay, I used on today to place under the squat rack for height as I did my chin ups. But that's just about all I can use it for. :lol:)

About free weights. I have an adjustable dumb bells set that my DH gave to me as a bday present. It's very nice, takes up little space, but it was EXPENSIVE! I use them only when I can't get to the gym due to weather or travel. If you are investing in free weights may I suggest getting standard dumb bells. I have my preferences among those too but really I prefer standard to the adjustable. The reason is that the adjustables are much longer in length and at least at my size it makes some of the exercises seem awkward. It just doesn't translate exactly the same as the ones I prefer from my gym. Now, if I were traveling a lot and needed to take these in a car, I would probably prefer the adjustables. Just my opinion. I know that Fran has some too and she may have a different assessment.

01-21-2009, 01:16 PM
Thanks Fran and Lydia!!

I have a ball. Maybe for chest work? And I had a bench (15years ago) but left it behind when I changed apts.


01-21-2009, 01:21 PM
I prefer adjustables just bc they take up much less room in the house and the kids don't try to use them. But totally agree with you that on some exercises, their length and girth can make them awkward. Rows are one thing, tricep work typically another - anyplace where they come in close to your body.

01-21-2009, 01:43 PM
Hi chickies!

I haven't fallen off the face of the Earth (and neither did I fall off the wagon, although that one is a separate story). I had the most awful cold from which I am still recovering. I had to skip the gym for 5 days in a row and I felt awful, awful, awful. I don't know what was worse, if the cold or the not being able to work out.
I am out of the worst phase so I took had my Zumba class last night, and I am planning to attack the weight tonight.
Last week, I had a major case of bottomless stomach (I think Cheryl calls is "hungries") and I ate truckloads. It was mostly clean eating, but dear God, the quantities! My weight went up although it could have also been water retention as I know I did not drink as I should have. Now I am back at what the ticker says but of course should have been less by now. Oh, whatever, that is not such a big deal.
I am tired of swallowing Buckley's - that is the most vile stuff I ever tasted.

Isn't today the day Shannon is getting her new big lungs? :D My best wishes of a speedy recovery.


01-21-2009, 02:36 PM
Looks like 1/22 from her earlier post. GL Shannon! Post back as soon as u can.

01-21-2009, 03:10 PM
Lydia, that is one killer workout! I wrote it down, so I know what I want to be able to do when I grow up. :faint: What is an AMT, though? :?:

Today was my Crossfit day! :carrot: The WOD was rounds of HSPU (handstand push-ups) and L-pull-ups. I can't do regular pull-ups, much less L-pullups, and just did back yesterday lifting, so I tweaked it to include some leg work:
15, 13, 11, etc down to 1 rep: HSPU (knees on the edge of the bed, but upside down, and I didn't get dizzy this time!)
1, 3, 5, etc up to 15 of hill sprints and KTE (knees to elbows, lying on floor for me)
-- Took me 37 mins -- I thought I was all that till I read Lydia's workout. :D

Lucy (I didn't even know your name before this!), I've been stuck working out at home since my van is still not running. I don't have a bench at home, but I've been able to fake it with a 2x10 plank of scrap wood. I lean it against a kitchen chair to do incline stuff, or lay it across two chairs to make a bench. The ball is useful for a lot of things, too. You'd want some sort of DBs that are heavy enough for you, and a barbell and plates is handy, so you don't have to do it all with DBs.

Alena, I hope you will be feeling better, soon! :hug: Just so you know, your little tagline, "Let's Salsa!" always makes me smile. I think it just fits so well with the dog in the picture, lol.

Fran, and here you thought you'd be all alone. Now, you're stuck with us! Thanks for starting up the challenge idea!

01-21-2009, 03:14 PM
Morning! Tomorrow is Shannon's big day.

Fran, et al. I'm considering joining you on the 12 week challenge. I posted in your BFL thread. I've been in a mental and physical rut as regards exercise since I was sick before Christmas. I need a good :kickbutt: or I'll be like one of those pink dumbeell gym bunnies. :rofl: I'll check out the book at lunch (I mean, it's not like I have to travel to the library :) ) and decide before the weekend. I have only one trip in the 12 week time frame, and I can probably work around that. It's to a library conference on Kodiak Island, and I have my doubts as to whether the hotel has any sort of fitness room. I may need to break out my resistance bands, but I'll cross that bridge later, the conference is in mid-March. I'm also considering buying a ball for home. I have db's in several sizes.

Lydia - I used to take a body pump class at the gym and we used aerobic steps in that - both for jumping onto and as a bench. We had foam mats - stiffer than yoga mats - that we put on top which really helped - and avoided having little ridges on your back too. :lol: The class has been moved to daytimes which means I can't go any longer. :(

Elana - glad you're feeling better! I've avoided colds that my co-workers and my DH have had this winter - knock on wood - and am crediting my clean(er) eating, but who knows really.

Weather here has returned to more normal winter temps - high teens. We had 1/4-1/2" of snow overnight, so it looks a little more like winter again too. I really liked the warmer temps - made me homesick for Seattle where I lived twice, a year in grad school, and 8 months when DH had his BMT.

01-22-2009, 02:00 PM
Morning, ladies!

Lydia, I meant to say, thanks for the idea on the planks. The regular ones haven't been much of a challenge lately, so I'm going to try your way next time. Question, though. I've been doing planks on my elbows, since the lower angle seems a better workout than being on my hands. Are you on one hand while moving the weight plates, or on one elbow? I'm assuming on hands, since clearance might be a problem otherwise, but I want to make sure I'm doing it right.

Today is LB day for me, and cardio. The cardio is looking like a bike ride to the library, since my boy has a book he wants to return. I haven't been on the bike in months, so I'm sure it will be a good workout for me. I'm running out of clever ideas for legs with the DBs at home, so I might try something crazy like sled pulls or something. I do have a weight plate sled that I use for the dogs. And the boy weighs 80 lbs. :chin: lol

01-22-2009, 05:08 PM
She climbs on my bike like a piggy-back ride and I do squats instead.

Perhaps on your back? :lol: Took me a couple seconds to figure this one out...

01-22-2009, 08:30 PM
Hey Cheryl,

Your idea for cardio and a sled pull sounds great!

This is what the plank plate switch looks like.

And if you are really bored with planks you could also attempt these :devil:

I think what he is using are furniture slides under his arms. Since I have hardwood floors I have a few sets of these as well. :chin: Should I taken them in with me tomorrow?

I think I better head to bed early tonight. I'm tired and hungry. Never a good combo.

01-22-2009, 09:31 PM
Wow, I think I could work my way up to the plate switch, but the other, OMG, never in the rest of my lifetime! :lol:

Hey, just realized to day is my wedding anniversary! 37 years total; 21 married :D

01-22-2009, 09:58 PM
Not a bad workout today considering I popped my hamstring on Tuesday and had to do only upper body.

01-22-2009, 10:16 PM

Lucy (I didn't even know your name before this!), I've been stuck working out at home since my van is still not running. I don't have a bench at home, but I've been able to fake it with a 2x10 plank of scrap wood. I lean it against a kitchen chair to do incline stuff, or lay it across two chairs to make a bench. The ball is useful for a lot of things, too. You'd want some sort of DBs that are heavy enough for you, and a barbell and plates is handy, so you don't have to do it all with DBs.


Good ideas, thanks! :)
I'm keeping Sunday as my deadline.

01-23-2009, 12:47 AM
Lydia, thanks for the video. For some reason, I was thinking the plates were passing underneath behind the arms, but passing them in front looks hard enough! I'm with Pat on the slider one...um...you first! Probably a good chest workout, though!

We did not ride bikes today. My sister showed up and visited and we missed our chance to get there and back in the daylight. The boy caught a ride with my sister to the library, so at least he got to return his book on time.

I did do the sled pull this afternoon, after it got dark. I had to wait for dark, so the neighbors wouldn't know I was mental. I pulled the tire around till I got warmed up. I pulled the empty sled for laps around the front yard, pulling forward 3 laps and (walking) backward 3 laps. Holy butt-burners, batman! Pulling backward was a whole 'nuther level. I added 30 lbs of plates, and went again. Made the 3 laps forward, only 1 backward. Added 20 lbs, got 3 forward, 1 backward again. It was fun to do something different, and it beat the heck out of another set of DB squats!

01-23-2009, 05:22 AM
Fran & others, I'm considering joining in the BFL challenge. I'll go hubting for my book ( I think DS borrowed it) and checking if I can use my upstairs landing again for my sports equipment. Do you fill in the daily charts in the download format each day? Because that is like printing out 4 pages every day! I would prefer a format that is more like a table for multiple days, but maybe i can set something up in excel.

01-23-2009, 08:03 AM
Woohoo! Today's workout is going skiing :)


01-23-2009, 07:38 PM
Pat, congrats on your anniversary!! :congrat:

I don't know what you're getting at.........yes, I do regularly mount my bike and then squat my kids! :dizzy:

Rabbit - yea!! I don't know about the forms. Check this out:


As low as $US5. I picked up one on discount YEARS ago and will be digging it out now.

01-23-2009, 08:38 PM
So, I have good news and bad news. I went for a fitness assessment at my gym. Yes, I'm sure their point is to try to get you to buy some personal training sessions but whatever. The assessments are free and, as it turns out, I can go back every two months if I want to track some progress.

The good news? The cardio assessment put me as elite...yay! :carrot: The bad news? I'm still fat. :( No really, not the number on the scale but the BF test (which almost made me cry last year) had me at 31%. I don't want to believe it but I guess it could be right. I still absolutely see the fat but I also look in the mirror and see someone in decent shape. And 31% had me in the "very poor" category. That sucks for someone who takes going to the gym pretty seriously.

I'm taking it more in stride this year. She's convinced that I could get down to around 24% within a few months. I don't know and I don't know if I have it in me. I know that I'm not paying for 10 personal training sessions for what they charge...even with their "payment plan" option!

The trainer was young, pretty knowledgeable and won me over a fair bit when she told me that she lost 60 lbs. doing the BFL program! Imagine that. She's a big fan. And no she didn't lose that in the 12 weeks, I think it might have been more like 6 months or so. I was happy that she was familiar with the plan at least, and had actually done it.

Maybe this is the sign I needed to join the challenge?? ;)

Pat - Happy Anniversary! :cheer2: :balloons:

Lydia - thanks for the links! I was actually doing some planks during my fitness assessment and showed her this new move. She loved it and said she would use it with some of her clients. I'm sure they'll thank you!

Have a good weekend everyone!


01-23-2009, 09:22 PM
Elisa, 6 months is ONLY 2 challenges - end of July. hint! hint!

01-23-2009, 09:46 PM
Sounds like it's time for boysquats! ;) I do it with my 70 lb'er and 50 lb'er (not together). She climbs on my bike like a piggy-back ride and I do squats instead. They think it's a hoot! Then there's the baby version of putting them on their bellies on the soles of your feet and see if you can leg press that into the air! (while holding their hands of course!)

I've found the perfect gym for you:


01-24-2009, 12:15 AM
Mel, hope you had fun with the skiing!

Nothing near so exciting here today, but I had a good UB lifting workout at home, and tried Lydia's plank thing...that was good, and just the right amount of challenge I was looking for. Thanks, Lydia! :hug:

Depalma, you're a trouble maker. :rofl:

01-24-2009, 04:08 PM
Depalma, I checked out the gymbox sites online. What a cool place. Loved the human weights.

Cheryl: Glad you liked the plate switch plank. I did this again today and found that it really just makes so much noise. It drives me crazy but no one seems to mind too much.

Elisa: Great job with the cardio! Really. :hug: Your bodyfat assessment also is causing me to purchase a bodyfat analyzer for myself. It's been two years since I've done it and I'm really curious/concerned. Keeping in mind that it is not a perfect tool for measurement I'm looking for a trend from winter to summer to see if there are any changes.

You know, I wonder. Elisa, how would you describe your cardio sessions. Are you doing interval work at least three times a week if not four? I'm just wondering if you were to increase your interval training in either frequency, duration, intensity you might find yourself at a lower bodyfat measurement at your next reading.

For myself, I've become comfortable with doing only two or maybe three intervals during my session when I am capable of so much more.

This week I really focused upon interval training. It's been a while since I paid attention to the intervals, frequency, duration, how I felt immediately after during the recovery. It's been a while since I pushed that hard but it really did make my workouts feel more effective. Slowly experiment with this. I did discover that when I pushed really hard numerous times during one session I was looking for my towel during recovery. I felt okay during the interval, but during the immediate recovery my stomach began to do flip flops. :dunno: So, just know where that point is for you. Don't want to cause any embarrassing moments. :lol:

Oh, and Elisa, I'm glad we could spread the joy of these planks with your trainer. ~sigh~ It warms my heart to think of so many other people doing these too. :rofl:

PAT! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY! :hug: My goodness that's wonderful. :congrat:

Mel: How was the ski workout?

Ennay: YOU DID WHAT! HOW? My goodness, you just so causually say "popped" your hamstring. OMG. I've pulled the top of my hamstring before. That is miserable. Are you doing okay. Are you able to sit? Drive? I feel for you. I pulled my doing a few too many downward dogs last summer. :dizzy:
Feel better soon.

01-24-2009, 05:20 PM
Lydia - thanks for the kinds words and your thoughts are interesting. To be honest, I found the "elite" cardio and "very poor" BF fascinating when I really don't do too much cardio these days. Strange.

I never really thought that I could reduce my BF with more intense interval cardio. Anyone else care to chime on on that? I was thinking that I would have to up the strength training. She said that I should be looking to lose about 9 lbs. of fat and gain the same amount of muscle. No idea how much effort or time that would take.

I like to track the numbers too. Anyone have a link to a BF analyzer that they have or could recommend? I think DH would kill me (just another thing to obsess over) but shhhh....he doesn't have to know does he? ;) I think I would stay motivated if I saw some change.

And how fun everyone is loving Lydia's planks!!

Fran - yes, I hear you!! It does seem like the planets are aligning for me, doesn't it?


01-24-2009, 10:10 PM
Elisa: Nine pounds of muscle? Really. :chin: Anyone want to guess how long that would take? I've heard somewhere that when a woman trains really well for a year she may only gain up to five pounds of muscle.

Nine. That's almost double. I'm only pointing this out for clarification to anyone who may be better informed about this than myself. I really don't want you (Elisa) to be disappointed if nine pounds of muscle isn't developed within the time frame you may be expecting. It would be very discouraging and disheartening if you were expecting your body to do something that from the beginning is very uncommon.

I hear you with the thought of increasing your weight training in order to lose bodyfat. You are correct that weight training is going to assist you with losing the bodyfat. It certainly was the missing variable for me. Here's the reason why I think that it worked, it's anaerobic in nature.

Anaerobic exercise helps to elevate our metabolism long after the workout has been completed. In the case of weight lifting it also allows us to build muscle which as we all have learned is more metabolically active.

We know that cardio is important for heart/lung health. It improves our bodies efficiency to getting the blood moving to the places it needs to be to feed our tissues for healthy growth and repair.

Most often when people think and perform cardio they are thinking of steady state cardio. Doing the same thing at the same intensity for the same amount of time. Rhythmic without interruption. Great for meditation. (smile) Not so great once the body acclimates to the demands of the cardio as the body is so apt to do.

When cardio is done in intervals it also becomes anaerobic in nature much like weight lifting. We can only sustain the interval for a few moments because we are not using as steady supply of O2 to move. Rather we are tapping into our muscles for ATP stores and glycogen in order to complete the movement. The rate of activity is to quick for us to properly use O2 as a fuel source. When those very limited stores are depleted we begin to feel immediate fatigue/failure and we must stop. It's right about then that you feel a little queasy.

I'm not suggesting that you go quite that far. However, I think it is interesting to look at cardio as an opportunity to progress into an anaerobic state as well. Just as we can need to change our lifting program every four weeks because our bodies are just so well engineered to adapt to the changes we also need to change our cardio sessions as well. We can look at intensity, duration, and type of activity.

It's also a lot of fun. Especially when everyone else is behaving themselves so nicely on the treadmills with their well disciplined 30 minute runs day in and day out. I think that steady state is great for a recovery day and for maintenance. However, if you want change, you have to move heaven and earth to make it happen. :hug:

Below are some links that I found interesting. There are so many more though too. For the record, I'm not suggesting that we all become cardio bunnies. Strength training rules in my book for weight loss. However, cardio is another variable and could be approached in other ways that may facilitate fat loss through an increase in our metabolism as well.



One final note. I will admit that when I am working more in an anaerobic state I get really hungry. This is a problem and if you are extra tired, stressed, or without a plan for food, it could cause you to trip on your good intentions. Just my experience but wanted to pass it on. I like to think that it's that great fat burning furnace at work when I'm feeling that way and I'm just hanging in there until my next "feed" :^:

01-24-2009, 10:16 PM
What/how do you do your HIIT?

And I have been freaking STARVING this week. Is that a good thing?

01-24-2009, 11:16 PM
Midwife: This week I've been really looking at my HIIT more closely. I'm doing it on either an EFX elliptical trainer, AMT, or running around the coffee table they call a track at my gym. On the EFX and AMT I set the resistance at a level where I'm comfortable for steady state cardio usually around 8 or 9 on our machines. I will warm up for about three to five minutes and then enter into my first "sprint" During this interval I will move as fast as I possibly can for 30 to 45 seconds. If I do it for the full minute then I get queasy during the recovery. I will then recover to a slow steady state for three to five minutes. It usually takes me about 35 to 40 minutes to get through five to six intervals.

I discovered this week that I can not do this everyday. At best I can in a couple of intervals just to get my heart rate elevated during the workout. By Friday, the third day of interval training, I'm slogging. I'm hoping this will improve so that maybe I'll be able to add Saturday as an extra interval day.

Today was my first attempt at intervals on a track. It's really small and I had to dodge a couple of small kids and walkers but I was able to run at a comfortable rate for about eight minutes before my first all out sprint. Honestly, I don't know how long it lasted. I'm thinking it was a little more than half of the track maybe three quarters. I did this twice before I decided I probably look like an idiot out here and I better find a piece of equipment and behave myself. :lol3:

Cheryl had previously asked what an AMT is and I forgot to post a pic. So here ya go:


I love this machine. Sadly my new gym will not have this. ~sigh~ I do this without using the handlebars. My DH said that I look like I'm prancing when I'm on it. Nice. :s: And I brought him in with me that day because why?! Speed Moonracer got an attitude adjustment that day.

01-25-2009, 02:02 AM
Lydia, I see guys doing intervals on the track at our Y a lot. I don't think I'd do it myself, just because of all the doorways and crossings. I've done them on the outdoor track, and that was fine, since there's hardly ever anyone using it, and it's bigger, so you're not on the turns all the time.

I was wondering about the noise with the plate switch planks. Maybe it can be done without stacking them? It would be interesting to try, anyway. Or you could use the coated purple girly DBs and build a tower. lol

Tomorrow is another crossfit style workout for me. I've been saving shoulders and abs for that, since I had fun with that workout before. For some reason, I'm loving those handstand push-up progressions!

01-25-2009, 02:46 AM
I discovered this week that I can not do this everyday. At best I can in a couple of intervals just to get my heart rate elevated during the workout. By Friday, the third day of interval training, I'm slogging. I'm hoping this will improve so that maybe I'll be able to add Saturday as an extra interval day

Lydia, I discovered some time ago that I cannot do intervals every day. But, I'm much older than you. You can probably build to doing a 2-rest-1-rest-2 type of schedule.

I'm trying to figure out what I can do for cardio tomorrow. It's been horribly windy here the past couple of days, so being outside is nasty. We have an upright stationary bike - which I hate - that may have to fill in. My DH however has been oiling all our wooden bookcases now that they're removed from my sewing room for the new carpet. He's working with linseed oil approximately 4' from the bike. Do you think I could breathe with a clothespin on my nose? :lol: I could go the the skating rink and use the walking track there - might be a better option than the linseed oil.

01-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Interestingly, BFL has a whole regimen on HIIT cardio and says you absolutely should NOT do it more than 3x/week. Here's the page on HIIT (http://bodyforlife.com/exercise/cardiotraining.asp). They prescribe 4 intervals or "high points" during one 20 min session. Yes, it does pretty much feel like you are constantly ramping back up again, but that's the point. I did this once and felt cardiac-arrest'ish at my final high point (a 10) so for those of you feeling queasy, I think we both need to take our very highest point down one notch so that we can do it a full minute.

Here's what it looks like:

01-25-2009, 10:39 AM
Fran: Thanks so much for posting this. I think I do recall reading this in the book. It's been a while since I read it maybe I need to spend some time bonding with it this afternoon. I probably would feel a little less worn out the next day doing steady cardio as well.

Okay. That's my assignment today. Take a look at how he has the intervals in his program and decide if that's how I want to approach it.

Nice chart by the way.

Pat: I would do the cardio far away from the house. :lol: The indoor track sounds like your best bet. Your off the hook for the upright bike today.

Cheryl: Can you believe that our Y does not have pretty purple dumb bells. Trust me, if there were there...:devil: I'd be building pyramids. Too funny.

01-25-2009, 10:10 PM
Lydia - thanks for the kinds words and all the great information! I will be giving it some thought. I think this might be, at least, the short term answer. I actually enjoy the steady state cardio when it involves running outside but the treadmill? Forget it, every minute is torture but this might help.

And I wasn't really truly expecting to lose 9 lbs. of fat and gain the same amount of muscle in a relatively short time. I'm not sure if it's possible or if I would be willing to put in the necessary effort, even if it was. Food for thought really. ;)

And I wish my gym had a track, I think that would help too! I think the treadmill will do for the HIIT for now. I'll up the weights too, loosely following BFL and, if I feel I'm committed, I'll join in on the challenge. Having just had all my measurements and BF done at my gym, I'm ready to go with a starting point.


01-27-2009, 02:53 PM
This is getting weird, since most of us are also on the BFL thread.

Elisa, do join us on the challenge, if you come up with a plan you like and want to stick to. It doesn't have to be BFL, exactly. :) A nine pound switcharoo does sound impossible, at least on the muscle gain side. Makes me wonder a little what that PT was thinking, unless you're secretly an amazon and didn't tell us. ;)

I had a good workout last night. Since I started doing crossfit a couple days a week, I am having a hard time keeping the crossfit out of my other workouts. I want do crossfit style every workout...is that so wrong? It's addicting! Also, it is handy when I don't have time for a separate cardio workout. Last night was an example. Yesterday was crazy busy around here, so it was 10:30 pm before I could get loose to do my workouts. Rather than face a lifting session followed by a long SS cardio session, I wrote out my LB workout, then inserted running between sets. Voila! Made for a good workout, helped give me a little pre-fatigue on the lifting (good since I don't have enough weight at home for the big LB lifts), and kept it interesting. I also find I work a little harder at each exercise, knowing I get to do something different during my "rest" periods. Anyway, not sure what my point is here...just confessing my crossfit addiction, I guess!

01-27-2009, 07:23 PM
My head is spinning :dizzy: - I can barely keep up with all the posts here!

Cheryl - I meant to ask a long time ago - can you please post explanations of your abbreviations for me? I feel totally lost - sometimes I think you have a Masters in Egyption hieroglyphs. :?:
I went back a couple of pages and all I could find (for now) were these:

1. "The WOD was rounds of HSPU (handstand push-ups) and L-pull-ups"
2. "TDP"

I am sure there were others, but maybe in different threads. I will ask again when I find them. :^:


01-27-2009, 09:48 PM
I know, I know! :lol: WOD at least, workout of the day!

01-27-2009, 10:43 PM
heh...my personal trainer said in our first meeting that he was shooting for me to gain "8-9 lbs of muscle and lose 8-9 lbs of fat". Seriously? And I didnt have the heart to tell him that was not even my goal, even if I thought that was reasonable.

And what is with the trainers talking about losing equivalent amount of fat to what you gain in muscle. I mean, that is great if you are at or near goal, but uh...no, if I gained 8 lbs of muscle, I had better lose a heck of a lot more than 8 lbs of fat. I dont care about my size so much, but 142 (what I was the day he weighed me) is too much to haul around in a marathon if I want to make my life goal. Sleek baby, sleek.

01-27-2009, 10:55 PM
Cheryl, I'm confused...are you circuit training, cross training, or are those the same thing? If not, what is cross training?

Help me out ladies - I can't seem to figure out what a 5 vs a 6 feels like. Or a 6 vs. a 7 and so on. I darn sure know the difference between a 5 and 9, so I thought I'd just walk at a 5 for a minute and run(ish) for a minute. I had to walk 2 minutes a couple of times and wore myself right out, but is there any harm in it?

Oh ennay honey you are too cute! I would LOVE to "haul" around 142 pounds!

01-28-2009, 03:45 AM
Alena, sorry! :hug: I'm not trying to confuse you. LB is lower body, UB is upper body...I'm doing upper/lower splits for lifting. SS is steady state cardio, like jogging or running for distance, as opposed to doing intervals of sprints vs. jogging or walking. WOD is a crossfit term, what they call their "workout of the day", the posted workout on the main crossfit site. TDP is the daily plate, a website for logging calories...I must have been replying to somebody else's post about that. I'll try to speak english from now on. :D

Ilene, that's what I was thinking. It would take me a long time to gain muscle like that, and I'd hope my workouts would be burning a lot more fat in that amount of time!

Michelle, I'm not sure of the technical term for what crossfit is. You could check out the website for yourself, though, that's probably the best way to explain it:

Hey Pat! :wave:

01-28-2009, 05:21 AM
Thanks for the link. i can totally see where your addiction comes from. This is way out of my league but kind of inspirational to look at.KWIM.


01-28-2009, 08:45 AM
Ennay- Does your trainer know that your goal is to run marathons? No, you don't want to load up on too much muscle, but you do need to have muscular balance and endurance. Most distance runners who don't lift have underdeveloped hamstrings which causes eventual knee problems. Building upper body muscle will give you power and keep you from having that "beef jerky" look. But make sure that your trainer knows your goal is not body building!

Alena- You're right- we have too many threads here to keep up. It's nice to see it so busy, but maybe we should merge for February into a menu thread and a general thread.

OK, I can't put off plunging out into the ice storm any longer. Cardio done (intervals on the elliptical), and legs at lunch because I missed the gym due to work chaos yesterday.


01-28-2009, 11:45 AM
Would you look at the snow here! Seriously I live in a snow globe today. Mel and Fran, are you getting any of this storm?

It iced last night and has been snowing HEAVY since about six this morning. Obviously I did not get to the gym this morning. I rode my bike in the basement instead. I got in twenty minutes of interval training and then some nice steady state at about 16 mph. Boy am I grateful for the free trainer my neighbor gave me for my bike. Having this option has saved me so much fret about getting in my cardio this winter. I'm saving my lifting muscles for the driveway I will have to shovel as soon as this stops. :dizzy:

I hope the snow will pack well. Maybe DH will make another snow sculpture for our neighborhood to wonder about. :devil:

Stay warm, stay safe, and stay motivated!

Shannon in ATL
01-28-2009, 12:07 PM
Good morning everyone. Today is my first day back at work post last weeks surgery. Obviously, no working out in just under a week... And, no working out until at least after Monday's doctor's appt - maybe a little longer. I don't know which has me more stiff, the procedure itself or the lack of exercise!

I've been reading about weight training and breast implants and found a few articles about the implant taking a strange shape after chest exercises, but returning to normal shortly thereafter. This article was mainly warning women not to freak out - even reading that, I think it would freak me out! :o

01-28-2009, 12:11 PM
I agree Shannon! That would be freaky, esp if it first happened right after surgery and you thought you ruined the procedure or something! So I'll be nosey and ask, will your change cause a difference in being able to do some things, did you get a big change? I know I don't like to lay on the bench on my stomach and do flies or rows, so I avoid anything that has me face down. I imagine that could be something that could change the shape as well - pressure on the top while the muscle is working underneath. So glad to have you back in the forum and know that all went well.

01-28-2009, 12:13 PM
Rabbit, it's way out of my league, too, which is part of why I only do it twice a week, and everything I do is scaled down to match my wimpitude. It gives me something to shoot for, though, which is always nice. Also, it's given me some ideas for working my weak shoulders. Isolation work always feels like it's not doing good things to my shoulder joints, so I started working them with just functional fitness movements that involve a lot of other muscles helping. This feels better, and I'm getting stronger, plus I am seeing a little visible growth in the deltoids, which is a first. Plus, I just love gawking at those strong and buff-looking crossfit girls...I wanna look like that when I am done!

Mel, I'm with you. One thread works for me. We just seem to be double posting, anyway.

Lydia, my dad lives in KY, and he mentioned the snow yesterday. I was thinking about bike trainers last night, coincidentally, but haven't had a chance to look them up online. Can it do different resistance, or is it more of just a free spinning thing? I need something for another winter cardio option, since I often have to work out in the dark in winter, and I was thinking my own road bike with a trainer might be more comfy than a stationary bike.

Michelle, I'm not sure I could tell, either, unless I was on a machine, then I'd just up the resistance a notch. Regular HIIT, though, I believe, is 2 mins at an easy/recovery pace, 1 min going as hard as you can maintain for a minute, so your 2 mins/1 min was right on. :)

I had a great UB lifting workout last night. The scale was up over a pound this morning, and everything is sore. I'll take that as a good sign!

01-28-2009, 12:19 PM
Major snow storm here as well today. I dragged my miserable @$$ out of bed at 6 am to shovel and by the time I was leaving for work it was as if I had not.

Shannon, I was thinking about last night and wanted to add a nudge for you to post but then I forgot. Good to hear you are doing well. Are you in pain?
And, oh ah, are you going to post a pic of your news boobs? ;-)

I will start my tonight's WOD (are you reading this, Cheryl? [wink]) by shoveling a truckload of snow and then to the gym to do legs and abs.

01-28-2009, 12:36 PM
Shannon: WELCOME BACK! I'm so glad you seem to be doing well. Changing shape during a lifting session would really scare me too. After all of the fretting I would do to make the decision as well as the healing process I would come undone right there in the gym if I thought I ruined it. Boy that would be a scene wouldn't it. :lol: "My boobs, look what I just did to my boobs, and their BRAND NEW!" :lol3: Unfortunately, no one at my gym would appreciate it as much as you guys would. :D

Cheryl: My trainer can vary the resistance. It actually is a very good workout and I'm very happy with it. I like the feel of my bike. I'm sure a stationary bike is more comfortable. But I can close my eyes and think about some of the fun rides I had outside on this bike and "relive" some of them and I think it has something to do with the "feel" or position of the bike. I also like the idea of trying to improve my outdoor riding for this spring by using the actual bike to train upon. There's less guesswork. Now if I could just simulate the small grade in uphills...that's where resistance comes in right?

I would suggest padded bike shorts though. Just because your inside doesn't make that little seat any more comfortable during an hour long ride. :lol:

Michelle: I'm horrible about estimating the level of HIIT. I'm still trying to improve the "hanging back a little" and then going all out on the last few intervals. The first interval for me is usually a warm up interval anyway so that one naturally is a little less effort. But the second and third I'm usually doing my all out. Honestly, I think if you just do the best you can do but just try to push a little more on the last two then you are doing great. Better than most but that's a given.

Elena: You got this snow too! My plan was to wait till it stops but it's been six hours now and it still really heavy. If DH wants to get in the drive tonight I may have to hit that driveway twice. Good thing my iPod is charged up.

01-28-2009, 07:28 PM
"My boobs, look what I just did to my boobs, and their BRAND NEW!"
Lydia, I just spit water on my monitor! :lol:

Welcome back, Shannon! Did you go under the muscle or over? I have several body builder (female) and figure competitor friends who have implants, usually BIG ones, and they do all the same lifts that they did when smaller.

Snow, then sleet, now rain here, and it's expected to freeze solid overnight. :p I'd much rather it just snowed! DD told me that most of the Columbus area except where she lives downtown is under a level 3 alert (you get arrested if you are driving unless you are an emergency worker or medical), so I hope you stayed home, Lydia!

I had a good leg workout- nice and heavy. :)
I'm craving lentil soup, but I have nothing but dried lentils and am too impatient to make it.


01-28-2009, 09:12 PM
Gosh Mel, lentils cook pretty quickly - you must be really impatient! :)

We have a real stationary bike that we've had for more than 20 years, and it's still in really good shape. But that doesn't make it less boring to me! I'd like it better if there were a TV close by.... DH uses it when he can't get to the gym during open hours.

It's snowing lightly here, but nothing like you gals have. We've been hovering around zero for the past week or so, which is fine with me. What I really like is that the :sunny: is coming back in 5+ min increments - which adds up to 1/2 hour a week. Yay!!

01-28-2009, 10:59 PM
Ennay- Does your trainer know that your goal is to run marathons? No, you don't want to load up on too much muscle, but you do need to have muscular balance and endurance. Most distance runners who don't lift have underdeveloped hamstrings which causes eventual knee problems. Building upper body muscle will give you power and keep you from having that "beef jerky" look. But make sure that your trainer knows your goal is not body building!Mel

As far as he is concerned (what I WANT him to focus on) it is. Right now I want to put on muscle mass, primarily in the upper body. Body building in core and up, stability & endurance from the core down. I was very specific after the first snafu.

At different points in my training cycle my lifting focus changes but what I need him for is lifting, only lifting, and primarily heavy lifting. With the amount of running I do, I will have an even harder time building muscle mass than the average woman. If I gain and maintain 3-4 lbs more muscle, I will look at changing focus. It really is only during peak running that I would back off the bodybuilding.

And it does effect what exercises I am willing to do. Lower body has to be much more endurance and stability focused...no freaking machines where my overdeveloped leg muscles can rip my tendons off (yes, I have) (oddly it is my quads that are underdeveloped relatively - I think as a result of the prior ripping)

He knows I run marathons. As did he, but he comes from a running era that has a vastly different approach to training for marathons. So I need to keep him out of my overall training or I will have to kill him.

01-29-2009, 08:35 AM
So I need to keep him out of my overall training or I will have to kill him

Yikes! you can't post from the Oregon state pen, so be careful :lol:

:wave: Have to race to work.......


01-29-2009, 08:42 AM
Shannon, my implants are under the muscle and I never even think about or notice them. In the gym, I do exactly the same exercises as I did before and don't feel (or see) anything odd or different. I still sleep on my stomach without any problem. It takes a while, but I think they'll end up just being a normal part of you. :)

01-29-2009, 10:24 AM
Shannon, my implants are under the muscle and I never even think about or notice them. In the gym, I do exactly the same exercises as I did before and don't feel (or see) anything odd or different. I still sleep on my stomach without any problem. It takes a while, but I think they'll end up just being a normal part of you. :)

Gosh, does anybody want my boobs? I still have plenty even though I went shopping on the weekend and downsized to a C cup. I lost another 1/2 inch from my hips (why?) but the titties won't budge. :cry:

01-29-2009, 03:26 PM
Tomato - mine wont budge either. The more weight I lose the more I look like Jessica Rabbit. No hips- big boobs. One of the bodybuilding magazine ads finally had it right. I am neither a pear or an apple, I am a carrot. Wide shoulders, big bust, no waist, small hips, no butt.

Rant regarding trainers - and I am sure none of you lovely ladies would do this. Why is it that SOME trainers - especially the male ones I have noticed - think that gym etiquette does not apply to them while working with a client? Or to their clients. (And how do they expect their clients who may be new to gyms to learn it?) Today the trainer had 180 lbs loaded on one of the bench press stations and had his client sitting at the end of the other station doing bicep curls. I did ask and they did move to do the bicep curls on the same bench they were hogging with the weights.

But the entire time I was there they never reracked their weights. EVER. And they never did another set either. I thought maybe they were leaving them for a late set. Nope. They were doing a set during my warmup and then 45 minutes later the client was gone, the trainer was working with another client and the 180 lbs was still on the bar. :mad: How rude! It's not like the average client at that gym can even rerack a #45lb plate alone.

And while I am ranting...why is it that only heavy plates are left unracked ...surely by the time someone can lift that much, they have learned some etiquette?

Woohoo! I did ROM exercises with my legs today and so far so good. I did weight assisted squats (which shouldn't be a problem but I am taking zero chances) and double leg hamstring curls with just the base plate. I got brave and did a few one legged one and got early fatigue but no pain. I did do ddc's method of lifting light like I was lifting heavy...good stuff for not getting sloppy.

01-29-2009, 04:10 PM
Tomato - mine wont budge either. The more weight I lose the more I look like Jessica Rabbit. No hips- big boobs. One of the bodybuilding magazine ads finally had it right. I am neither a pear or an apple, I am a carrot. Wide shoulders, big bust, no waist, small hips, no butt.

Ennay, this is hilarious! LOL Jessica Rabbit - that fits like a glove. :D Heck, at least we have somebody famous to compare ourselves to, right? It is a lot more glam than just a carrot.

Ok, so now all I need is the haircut over one eye and the sparkly red dress. :dizzy:


01-29-2009, 04:41 PM
Ennay, this is hilarious! LOL Jessica Rabbit - that fits like a glove. :D Heck, at least we have somebody famous to compare ourselves to, right? It is a lot more glam than just a carrot.

Ok, so now all I need is the haircut over one eye and the sparkly red dress. :dizzy:


Well I am also missing the long legs. Two halloweens ago I was still nursing my son and I was down to my lowest weight ever and I really really really wanted to dress up as Dolly Parton, but I couldnt find the stuff I needed cheap enough to pull it off. Sequins aren't as plentiful at goodwill now as they were 15 years ago.

But at the time I think I was a 32G/H with size 4 jeans. :o

Shannon in ATL
01-29-2009, 05:18 PM
Sportmom - I'm pretty sure that the implants won't change anything I was doing, other than getting used to them being there. :) I've not transitioned from Weider to free weights yet, so I haven't done anything lying face down yet. I shouldn't notice any difference with that. I'm actually looking at a weight bench and some adjustable dumbells to treat myself when I'm all recovered.

Lydia - I made the mistake of drinking a sip of my coffee right before I read your post. It is now all over my laptop. Luckily, I could clean it all off the keyboard so no need to involve my IT guy in a potentially difficult to explain warranty repair! :)

Alena - I'm planning on posting some pics, giving them a little time to settle down first. DH has been taking pics every day to post on the various implant research sites so people can see realistic pics for the day after, day 7, etc. I can't say I'll post those up - would probably get censored! :)

Mel - I went with under the muscle. I've seen several other articles since the 'atypical change in shape' article of the other day, so I'm feeling much better about the lifting part. I never would have thought about competitive body builders getting implants, but I guess they lose weight in the boobies just like everyone else, and part of their competition is appearance.

Meg - I would kill to be able to sleep on my side right now, much less on my stomach! How long did it take before you were able to sleep more comfortably?

Ennay - I used to be a member at a Balley's and the trainer there never put the weights back up. I wasn't using them at the time, but used to get annoyed because he used to leave them all over the floor in his training area and they were always sticking out into the turn on the already small inside track... Grr...

01-29-2009, 05:41 PM
Ah, Elena, I'd share some of mine too. I remain a DD no matter what band size, and have been this size since 7th or 8th grade - something I hated!

Ennay - loved the carrot shape :carrot: And at about the same height as me, you certainly don't have long legs.....

I saw my doc this morning and he was very pleased with all my "numbers" including the fact I'm down 2 lbs from when he saw me in Oct. :) BP was esp good and he was happy to hear that I've upped my exercise program again. He's the first doc I've encountered who seems to "get" how hard weight loss and maintenance are!

01-30-2009, 05:15 AM
Wow Pat! Congrats on the 2 lbs down! And over the holidays too!!!


01-30-2009, 08:25 AM
I'm chiming in on the "I wish I could give some of mine away!" thread. I have gone down from 36 to 34 but can't shake the DD no matter what. I don't love it but I've tried to learn to live with it....the grass is always greener right?

ennay - I just had this conversation with DH. Now that he's coming to the gym, I said the same thing about the 45lb. plates. Could I move them? Maybe, but I shouldn't have too! It's not too bad at my gym but if I see it, it drives me crazy and the next time I do, especially if it's a trainer, I think I'm going to have to say something!

You know what I love? Going to my Power class (like Body Pump) and lifting more than anyone else there, men included! It doesn't happen every time but I secretly (okay, not so secretly now;) ) love it! I guess that arrogance isn't so nice but it makes me smile a little inside. shhh...don't tell anyone

I'm still trying to change my workouts a bit and get more into the BFL groove, like so many of you but it's slow going. I'm not fully inspired yet but I'm getting there thanks to so many of you!

Happy Friday!


01-30-2009, 09:03 AM
Haha! Elissa, I'm sure you aren't alone on that secret satisfaction! My favorite game is to ask to work in with a guy and use the same weight on the fully loaded leg press :o

01-30-2009, 06:33 PM
Gosh, does anybody want my boobs? I still have plenty even though I went shopping on the weekend and downsized to a C cup. I lost another 1/2 inch from my hips (why?) but the titties won't budge. :cry:

No, I have plenty. However if someone would like to swap a couple inches of legs for a couple cup sizes, I'd be willing.

Alena - I'm planning on posting some pics, giving them a little time to settle down first. DH has been taking pics every day to post on the various implant research sites so people can see realistic pics for the day after, day 7, etc. I can't say I'll post those up - would probably get censored! :)

Meg - I would kill to be able to sleep on my side right now, much less on my stomach! How long did it take before you were able to sleep more comfortably?

I hope you're healing quickly and effortlessly. (Response Warning: My ordeal is probably atypical, so don't let it worry you, I just wanted to share.) I had a gold ball size tumor removed from my right breast in 2006, and it was about 6 months before I felt "right" again. Of course the factors going against my recovery were that I was at my almost highest weight, almost completely inactive, and DH fed my a lot of comfort food while I recovered. I'm sure your recovery will be much speedier. :)

I'm chiming in on the "I wish I could give some of mine away!" thread. I have gone down from 36 to 34 but can't shake the DD no matter what. I don't love it but I've tried to learn to live with it....the grass is always greener right?

After losing 45lbs, mine are bigger cup-wise than when I started. I went from 42C to 34DD. Where in the world do you buy bras? I cannot seem to find a decent bra in this size.

01-30-2009, 09:27 PM
After losing 45lbs, mine are bigger cup-wise than when I started. I went from 42C to 34DD. Where in the world do you buy bras? I cannot seem to find a decent bra in this size.

Oh 34DD is not too difficult. Just be prepared to spend a little. Where do you live?

01-31-2009, 04:24 AM
Dixie, you should be able to find them at Belk or Macy's, that kind of store. The ladies there will even order them in for you at no extra charge - you can order a bunch and only buy the ones you want, they will put the rest on the aisles to sell.

01-31-2009, 10:44 AM
Oh 34DD is not too difficult. Just be prepared to spend a little. Where do you live?

Pensacola, FL. (I refrained from mentioning that when the snow talk was flying a few days ago. I'm orginally from the WV/OH area)It must have just been the stores I was shopping at then. It figures, that particular mall is being renovated soon, so only the anchor stores are left and their selections are starting to thin out.

Dixie, you should be able to find them at Belk or Macy's, that kind of store. The ladies there will even order them in for you at no extra charge - you can order a bunch and only buy the ones you want, they will put the rest on the aisles to sell.

I will be heading for Belk today then. Or possibly next weekend, I just realized I don't want to scar my DSS for life by dragging him bra shopping (he's 12).

I got up this morning and did the LBWO without realizing it was my free day. Oh well, I could use the practice. I have a confession; I have all the balnce and coordination of a drunken wombat. One leg standing calf raises usually end up with me faling over, but the two legged version isn't challenging enough. I managed to modify the one legged version by placing one of my calves on my ottoman to help balance. Kinda like the one legged lunge with an exercise ball. Can you think of a better solution? Or another exercise for my calves. The seated calf raises weren't challenging with the weights I have at the house, although I suppose I could ask DH to sit on my lap? I tried these reverse calf raises; but they felt odd: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/TibialisAnterior/DBReverseCalfRaise.html

Off to run some errands and possibly start working on the yard since we're not getting rain today for the first weekend in 2 months.

01-31-2009, 11:56 AM
I did a good job killing my legs last night. I am off to Zumba (yikes, better move swiftly I didn't realize what time it was) then I will attach myself to a snow shovel again (the freakin' white stuff is falling down again). I have a headache so I think I will take a nap in the afternoon.
Have a nice weekend, all!

01-31-2009, 12:07 PM
Dee, I had the same problem challenging myself with calf raises - I was doing them sitting which is even worse. I think I need to move them to all standing instead of just my last 12. Even so, it's like a snore, yawn thing. I have huge muscular calves already so am really only interested in burning the fat over the existing muscle now. I used to not work calves at all as I think they get enough work from daily stair climbing, and thought about dropping it and adding in a glute move, but I'm trying to "respect the program", kwim?

01-31-2009, 01:02 PM
dixied - you just cant find them at places like Target or Victoria's secret, department stores are better or specialty bra shops. Do you have nordstroms?

my.intimacy.com has a link to specialty stores

01-31-2009, 01:03 PM
Dee, I had the same problem challenging myself with calf raises - I was doing them sitting which is even worse. I think I need to move them to all standing instead of just my last 12. Even so, it's like a snore, yawn thing. I have huge muscular calves already so am really only interested in burning the fat over the existing muscle now. I used to not work calves at all as I think they get enough work from daily stair climbing, and thought about dropping it and adding in a glute move, but I'm trying to "respect the program", kwim?

I dont do calves. Every single time I do, no matter how much I stretch afterwards, I pull them the next time I run.

01-31-2009, 10:20 PM
I don't do calves either. I worked them for years- I have stick legs and can lift the entire stack on the donkey calf machine :o In 5 years of working calves, it's the only way I got hurt in the gym, and I only managed to put 1/4" on them. I still looked stupid in boots....just wasn't worth the effort. Seems like calves and boobs are the ultimate genetic components; you've either got them or not!

Good leg workout today (and no calves). I did a lot of heavy work, then bosu (which does work calves!)

I had a weird thing happen a week ago while I was doing legs. I skied the Friday before, to exhaustion. My calf cramped when I pulled off my very tight ski boots, and despite stretching, my legs were really tight the next morning when I did my leg workout. Midway through my workout, I was sitting on the floor talking to my leg partner, and we watched a large blue area appear on my left calf! She's a nurse and ran and got an ice pack and compressed it for a while- no pain, no bumps, didn't bang into anything. A small blood vessel must have broken for no apparent reason. It's now a glorious shade of blue/yellow/green. My doc wants me to go get an ultrasound of my lower leg :?: I have a feeling that by the time I get that scheduled, the "bruise" will be gone. How odd- never had that happen before.


02-01-2009, 02:31 AM
Woohoo I have the blessing of Mel to skip calves! Yeah, I can put so much weight on the machine I bruise my thighs. All I ever get out of it is sore achilles.

Mel - get it checked out right away, dont delay, I'm sure she wants you to get it ultrasounded because she is worried about clots.