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PhotoChick
12-30-2008, 02:54 PM
http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-happy-women-have-curves/#When:14:30:00Z?eref=RSS
Edited: it's a celeb-gossip-dating-chat site ... so for some people it might be NSFW. Sorry for not putting the warning earlier.

Interesting article that draws on a poll taken in the UK about how women rated their own happiness.

In a recent poll in the UK of about 3,000 women, size 14s (a US size 12) rated their happiness higher than everyone else.... Size 12 women (a US 10) were the second happiest group of women, with nearly three quarters reporting satisfaction with their friendships and almost half satisfied with their careers. Size 8 (US 6), 16 (US 14), and 10 (US 8) rounded out the happy camp, respectively.

I also thought Nigella Lawson's quote about sex life was interesting.

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midwife
12-30-2008, 03:03 PM
Eeek!

I don't know what "the frisky" is, but I clicked on it at work and it was blocked as "adult content." Just a heads up to others who are at work.

rockinrobin
12-30-2008, 03:05 PM
“I do think that women who spend all their lives on a diet probably have a miserable sex life: if your body is the enemy, how can you relax and take pleasure?”

Photo, I assume you mean the above quote? I disagree with her. First of all, I am not on a diet. #2, my body is most certainly not the enemy. No, no, no, no, no.

And believe me, TMI warning, I am more than relaxed. ;)


PhotoChick
12-30-2008, 03:07 PM
Oh whoops .... sorry. The Frisky is a celeb-gossip type blog site. It's got some "dating advice" content. I didn't think about it being NSFW.

So sorry!!!

Here's the link to the UK poll, which is SFW

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1102572/Happiness-having-size-14-figure.html

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PhotoChick
12-30-2008, 03:08 PM
Robin ... but you just said it: You're not on a diet and you don't consider your body the enemy.

And what she said was if you're spend your life "on a diet" and you consider your body the enemy, how can you relax and enjoy sex.

So you kinda proved her point! :)

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JulieJ08
12-30-2008, 03:10 PM
"Nigella Lawson, a TV cook, thinks the secret to curvy girls’ happiness is a pleasurable sex life, saying: “I do think that women who spend all their lives on a diet probably have a miserable sex life: if your body is the enemy, how can you relax and take pleasure?”"

Yes, interesting. I think it has truth to it, but is also oversimplified. Lots of overweight or obese women spend all their lives on a diet too.

Also:

"about a quarter saying they liked their appearance, half reporting career satisfactions, and a third rating their love lives as the best possible."

That's not terribly exciting. The happiest group doesn't really sound amazingly happy.

It was only a poll, so they would have no way of knowing, but I wonder how honest people were about their sizes. People tend to lie even on a poll, because they're trying to lie to themselves.

PhotoChick
12-30-2008, 03:12 PM
I wonder how honest people were about their sizes. People tend to lie even on a poll, because they're trying to lie to themselves.I did wonder that as well.

But I think what I found positive about this poll is the idea that people who are in the middle rate happiest (even if it's not over the moon happy or whatever). I think that's a fairly positive message to send to young women. You don't have to be a size 2 or size 0 to be happy, and in fact if you're mid-range, you might be happier.

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rockinrobin
12-30-2008, 03:13 PM
Robin ... but you just said it: You're not on a diet and you don't consider your body the enemy.

And what she said was if you're spend your life "on a diet" and you consider your body the enemy, how can you relax and enjoy sex.

So you kinda proved her point! :)

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But she kinda makes it sound that smaller sized women ARE on a diet and that we consider our body the enemy.

PhotoChick
12-30-2008, 03:19 PM
Hm. I guess I didn't get that. Maybe because I've watched her show and have all of her cookbooks and so I know her philosophy? I guess it's hard from a single soundbite quote. ;)

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LindsayL0ve
12-30-2008, 05:21 PM
I think most skinner people feel like to be happy is to be skinny.
My best friend wont eat. Because her boy friend told her if she ever got as fat as her mom he'll leave her. so she wont eat, and she thinks just because she is skinny shes pretty. and now her younger sister who is bigger thinks the only way to be pretty is to be skinny.
and most of skinny people, try to get smaller in unhealthy way. I think thats what she was trying to say.

some people will disagree, which is how it will always be on every issue. Because Im a size 14, and not happy.

Optical Goddess
12-30-2008, 05:47 PM
I'd say that I feel a lot more self conscious at a larger size than a smaller size. Hands down.

CousinRockingChair
12-31-2008, 06:14 AM
"Curvy" is a contentious word. What does she mean by that?

All I know is that all overweight - and many normal weight - women I know are not very happy with their bodies. Having said that, I don't know that many overweight women. I'm not overweight and I'm not happy either. Disliking my body has indeed had a negative influence on my life, in that Nigella has it right. Certainly my sex life has suffered, I don't even hang out with certain people because they make me feel so fat.

kaplods
12-31-2008, 09:50 AM
I'm not sure that these results aren't just a mathematical coincidence. I mean a size 12 is pretty "average." Maybe the further you get from "average" whatever "average" you're measuring, the less likely you are to be "reasonably content."

I think that the conclusions that were being drawn are far exceeding what the result of the poll really suggest (the typical misuse of data that is found in non-scientific media).

Even if size correlates, it doesn't tell you that to be happiest, one would need to be a size 12. A woman who wears a size 12 and has never dieted, may be very different from a woman who is a size 12 because she has gained or lost a lot of weight. Also, a woman who has worn a size 12 all of her life, may be very different from a woman who just happens to be a size 12 now, who yoyos in size.

I think the assumption that dieting is to blame for poor body image is an odd conclusion from the results. It may very well be true, but you wouldn't be able to conclude that from clothing size. It doesn't make sense to assume that most size 12's aren't dieting or haven't dieted.


I think that every person has a weight they are most comfortable physically and mentally, and that weight is going to be different for different people. I've been severely morbidly obese all of my adult life and most of my childhood. If I don't make it to a size 6, I'm not going to let that keep me from being happy.

I've known size 16 women who see themselves as gorgeous and super hot, and I've known size 4 women who see themselves as ugly and disgusting, and sometimes even fat. Body image often doesn't have anything to do with an objective reality.

PhotoChick
12-31-2008, 10:15 AM
Even if size correlates, it doesn't tell you that to be happiest, one would need to be a size 12. But that's not what it says.

There's a difference between "to be happy you need to be a size 12" and "in a poll, more size 12 women said they were happy".

Also no assumption that dieting was to blame for poor body image was made. You're taking a quote from Nigella Lawson based on her opinion about women who are "always on a diet" and integrating it with the poll results, which isn't accurate.

The poll was a simple poll that asked women of various sizes how happy they were. The results found that of the women saying they were happy, the greatest number were size 12.

Period. That's all the poll says. I do agree with whoever said that since 12 is the average, it's going to make sense that a greater number of people in any group - happy, sad, blonde, green eyed, whatever - are also going to fall in that range.

I thought it was an interesting article, not that I agree with it entirely. But what I'm finding more interesting is the response here. :)

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kaplods
12-31-2008, 07:37 PM
I was just commenting that that's how many people (whether it's expressed or not) often do draw the conclusion that if size 12 women are statistically happier, then by becoming a size 12 I have a greater chance of becoming happy - when there's no indication at all that that would be true.

I do think that it probably simply is the mathematical effects of the "normal" or bell curve. Yes, if most women are a size 12, it also makes sense that most happy women are also a size 12.

JulieJ08
12-31-2008, 07:57 PM
I do think that it probably simply is the mathematical effects of the "normal" or bell curve. Yes, if most women are a size 12, it also makes sense that most happy women are also a size 12.

I do not think that is what they are saying. They are saying that of women US size 12, a higher percentage are happy compared to the percentage of size 14 women who are happy.

It's hard to tell from the *articles* what the criteria was for "happiest," because they list different kinds of happiness / satisfaction for difference sizes. Presumable in the original study, all factors were rated for all sizes.

kaplods
12-31-2008, 08:33 PM
Even so I think you still get a mathematical effect regarding how close to the average one is. There've been many studies that have shown that the the further a person is from norm on many measures, the more stress they have in their lives, and the less satisfaction, contentment and "happiness" they report. So, I would expect the size 10's and 14's to be happier than the size 8's and 16's, who would be happier than the 6's and 18's, who would be happier than the 4's and 20's etc.... The least happiest (overall, there will be exceptions in all sizes) would be the women at the furthest ends of the normal curve, the smallest and largest polled.

Whether a culture claims to value individuality or not, the further one is from the norm (in almost any way), the harder one's life generally is, and the more ways in which a person deviates from normal, the more extreme the effect.

For example, there have been studies, that have found that "average" looking people report being "happier" than both very ugly and very beautiful people.

EZMONEY
01-01-2009, 01:46 AM
Since Angie is a size 6 I can totally understand now how I make her happy 1/2 the time.

Schumeany
01-01-2009, 03:54 AM
I think this poll is really interesting. While I started this weight loss at a 14 -- post baby number 3, I have been a size 12 for the majority of my adult life. I am also a pretty darn happy, optimistic person.

So now I am a Size 4, and while I have not been maintaining it that long this time around, I did spend four years in my twenties maintaining Size 4 -- right before having my first baby -- so I do have some personal history to draw on.

The thing is, I think I may not be as "happy" at Size 4 as I am at Size 12. I find that I am more restless, and I noted the same thing last time I did this as well. I feel like I need to conquer the world or something, but all I am doing is sitting here. I KNOW it isn't true, I am doing lots of worthwhile things, but it feels like I am not living up to my potential. I also find that my relationships are more complicated -- with other women, but especially with men. I enjoy men and their company, but I have become more of an "object" apparently, and it is harder to have that same, comfortable relationship with many of them. I would not say I am, or was, a flirt, but I "get" men and know how to talk to them...but it is different now. While I have never felt a lack of male attention, now the level is frequently intensified past the level of "fun".

However, while my self-confidence has always been high, it is off the charts right now. I feel GOOD about my body and my energy...but that is not exactly the same thing as "happiness"...or at least it is not the same thing as being content. I find this feeling more satisfying, or I wouldn't have done this again, but, well, it is complicated. I am still happy...I pretty much live life happy...but happier? I can't stay that...it isn't that simple.

This has been really hard to put into words. I hope it makes some kind of sense...

Optical Goddess
01-01-2009, 11:04 AM
It could be a lot of things. When I was a size six, I never thought twice about trying clothes on, or having trouble finding something that would fit. Like Schumeany mentioned, I felt like I could take on the world.

Almost more than anything, my body/body image is a thorn in my side. I rarely doubt my intellect, my love for others, my personallity, but I do doubt my body a lot now that I'm larger.

It seemed when I was smaller, everything aligned for me. I've always been incredibly dense when it came to male attention. A guy could be throwing himself at me and I'd never notice it. I will say I get treated better out and about in public at a smaller size.

I know that a lot of people will say that when they are smaller their life doesn't change much, they are just smaller. For me, it did change, a lot.

Although it was more difficult to maintain, I was more happier and much more confident at a smaller size. I've never been comfortable withmyself at a larger size. I didn't feel accepted by women or men...

I think it all depends on the definition of 'happiness', and our lives, our back grounds, our cultures.... this is a very interesting, thread though. Like someone said, it also depends on how they got to the size that they are, going up, size 12 is tough, going down it's angels singing a chorus while sunlight shines down on you. If it's never changed, then it's just as it is.

JulieJ08
01-01-2009, 12:45 PM
going up, size 12 is tough, going down it's angels singing a chorus while sunlight shines down on you. If it's never changed, then it's just as it is.

Haha, SO true!