South Beach Diet - Do you judge people who eat seemingly healthy non SBD food?




Scarlett
08-27-2008, 03:35 PM
Today I was at a dining place on campus and saw a girl buy a 20oz thing of OJ and a bananna (a higher GI fruit). She looked like one of those soriroity girls who would scoff at a burger. I couldn't help but think to myself, she is going to have reactive hypoglycemia soon after shes done eating and become ravenously hungry.

I also think similar things when I see people eating those specialk 90 calorie bars or those 100 calorie packs. I think to myself you think your being healthy but your eating some of the worst food possible.


Fat Melanie
08-27-2008, 03:42 PM
Yep, when I used to eat only fruit as a snack, when I thought I was being healthy, I would later get hungry and eat something more 'substantial' (i.e., full of calories and fat).

I don't judge, though. I don't care what anyone else eats, only what I eat. My bf gets on my nerves sometimes, because he needs to eat junkfood and burgers constantly, though.

Scarlett
08-27-2008, 03:45 PM
I don't judge, though. I don't care what anyone else eats, only what I eat. My bf gets on my nerves sometimes, because he needs to eat junkfood and burgers constantly, though.

I think judge was kind of a harsh word, I also don't care what other people eat. I meant it more as laughing to your self at people who eat "healthy" food in public and have an air about themselves of "I'm so healthy, look at me," when the food they're eating really isn't that "diet friendly".


mandalinn82
08-27-2008, 03:49 PM
Not a Beacher, but I want to say...not every dietary approach works for everyone. I eat fruit as a snack by itself all the time, and that works for me. I also eat things like Skinny Cow ice cream sandwiches, which have refined carbs. You may not be able to or may choose not to, and you've found what works for you. But please be careful about assuming that what you have found is best for -your- body is "healthy" for everyone or anyone else.

We're all here just doing the best we can. I hate to think that eating a banana in public is going to make people laugh at me in their heads!

murphmitch
08-27-2008, 03:51 PM
I guess I think not everyone's metabolism is the same, and some people may not develop hypoglycemia or health problems, especially if they generally eat healthy and are at a healthy weight. What bothers me is when people I care about eat terrible stuff and do have health/weight issues. I feel like I need to counsel them or make them read the SB book or something. My sister-in-law was recently diagnosed with Type II Diabetes and has totally changed her diet and lifestyle. She loves Dr. Gott's "no flour/no sugar" diet which I think is a lot like SB. She's lost a ton of weight and now exercises religiously. She said her diagnosis is the best thing that's happened to her, because it took that to make her change. I work with a bunch of nurses too, and they just don't seem to get it. I'd love to teach them a class or something.

zeffryn
08-27-2008, 03:55 PM
Those 100 calorie packs can actually be incredibly convenient....especially with a whiny toddler in tow. A few stashed in the console of the car or in my purse can really get me through an unexpected situation.

I tend to not care if people are eating healthy in public, it is when I see people that are very obese eating really unhealthy food that I cringe. Being in the south where everything is fried, we see it often....there is a reason why the life expectancy is lower here than other parts of the country!

I have noticed that some people give disapproving looks when someone around them orders something healthy when they have something unhealthy on their plate....maybe it makes them feel guilty, not sure. A friend of mine (not so much a friend anymore) used to think that if someone ordered a salad around her when she had something unhealthy that they were just trying to poke fun at her unhealthy choice....I, very frankly, told her that people that she didn't know didn't care about her that much and to stop worrying.

PhotoChick
08-27-2008, 03:55 PM
when the food they're eating really isn't that "diet friendly".Except you're defining "diet friendly" by your own limited perspective. And yes, you ARE judging.

There is nothing unhealthy about OJ and a banana ... you have no idea how her body handles that kind of carb intake. And you have no idea where she was going with that food. I often eat a banana right before working out ... because I want the extra carbs and potassium before the gym. And I often put my post workout protein powder into a bottle of OJ - for the same reason, to restore my carb/protein levels after working out (and because I think vanilla protein powder in OJ tastes like an Orange Julius from the mall and it's kinda a post-gym treat for me).

And how do you know that someone eating a 100 cal pack or a diet bar "thinks they're being healthy". Maybe they wanted that particular food at that particular time and weren't thinking about being healthy.

You know what ... sometimes I go to Steak and Shake and get a jr sized strawberry yogurt shake. You would look at me and go "oh she *thinks* she's being all healthy getting the yogurt shake, but I know better". But you know what .. I have no pretense that I'm being "healthy" by getting my sugar rush from frozen yogurt. I do know that what I'm doing is treating myself - within my calorie limits, thanks very much. And I choose the yogurt shake over the regular shake because there are fewer calories and I can fit it into my plan.

Honestly your whole post reeks of being judgmental - everything from the "they think they're being healthy" comment to the "sorority girl who would sneer at a hamburger" comment.

Seriously. I don't mean to be ugly here, but this is exactly the type of attitude that turns people off of these types of plans - like SBD, Atkins, etc. That attitude that unless you're on MY plan, you can't possibly be healthy.

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Marathon Mom
08-27-2008, 03:58 PM
Scarlett I know what you mean.. not that you're judging.. but I too find it amazing that I feel I finally know what my triggers are and how they react to my body... I used to think.. "why am I so hungry and snacky? and not losing weight... when I am eating fruit, yogurt, low calorie granola bars, etc etc..."

So RELEIVED I've figured out what works for me... SBD may not work for everyone but it works for me.

I'm satisfied, feeling good and don't feel deprived.

Ruthxxx
08-27-2008, 04:00 PM
I really don't care what other people eat and mind my own business unless asked. I agree that a banana and OJ is fine for some people - just not for everyone.

zeffryn
08-27-2008, 04:02 PM
so, would this be the wrong time to say that I am eating a banana and drinking a glass of OJ? :o

Glory87
08-27-2008, 04:10 PM
I eat fruit for snacks at least twice a day and have for almost over 4 years (always berries in the morning and usually a tangelo in the afternoon if they are in season, otherwise it's a nectarine, pineapple, mango or watermelon). Big servings too! Lost 70 lbs, kept it off for over 3 years - fruit works for me!

I wonder if people just my fruit and think I'm making a foolish, unhealthy choice when I'm obviously radiantly glowing with good health?

Loriann7
08-27-2008, 04:13 PM
Actually, what I find myself doing is restraining myself from saying something to folks in the grocery store about what they have in their cart... loaded with potato chips, frozen meals, breats, cookies, soda, beer... you all know what I'm talking about. Some are obese, others on their way, or blessed with metabolisms to die for! (and it will cause their death, as we know you can be skinny and have unhealthy blood chemistry.)...

I've had to learn not to peek in their carts! :)

murphmitch
08-27-2008, 04:14 PM
so, would this be the wrong time to say that I am eating a banana and drinking a glass of OJ? :o

LOL :)

My husband eats this all the time and has perfect lab work and is trim. It just depends on the person.

I don't think judging is the right word either. I think what you're trying to say is critiquing it in your mind. And I do it all the time and don't feel bad about it. I'm sure vegetarians feel the same way about what I eat, or someone who eats only organic foods. But everyone's body chemistry is different. What works for one may not work for another.

KLK
08-27-2008, 04:16 PM
I'm not following the SBD, but I am following a low-carb way of eating. I don't think I judge people, thin or heavy, for eating sugary fruits, drinking juice, etc. other high-carb/sugar healthy foods. For *ME* those kinds of foods open up the binge door, even though they are healthy.

The only time I think "that person should really not be eating that healthy, yet high carb option" is when someone writes about having a severe binging problem and then says they ate, like, a banana and oatmeal for breakfast and then a low-fat fruit yogurt and then a sandwich on a wheat roll or something for lunch. But I only think "not a good idea" bc I know from personal experience that if you have a binging problem, those are exactly the kinds of foods you should try to avoid and limit, even though they are healthy.

That being said, I'm sort of envious of people who can lose or maintain weight and still eat bananas and oatmeal for breakfast with juice.

PhotoChick
08-27-2008, 04:19 PM
I do think that this is kind of like the reformed smokers thing ... you know, those who are actively working on eating healthy and losing weight are a lot more likely to judge those who aren't (or who they perceive aren't).

I will say that I am much more aware of what other people eat and buy, but more just in general. I really try hard not to be judgmental about it because I have no idea where anyone else is in their lives. I also know how much I'd have hated someone to see me buying ice cream or chips at my highest weight and thinking "no wonder she's fat" (although I'm sure it's happened in the past).

I think it's human nature to judge, but I also think it's good when we can catch ourselves doing so and try to rein it in. :)

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ladybugnessa
08-27-2008, 04:24 PM
I hate to think that eating a banana in public is going to make people laugh at me in their heads!


DEPENDS ON HOW YOU EAT THE BANANA!


for me, when i see folks eating non-beachy food I do think about it esp if they are 400 pounds.... i want to go up to them and hug them and say "can I talk to you about something"

fwiw watermelon is not a beachy food but it fills me up and keeps me filled for hours... so i guess everyone's reaction to things is going to be different.

ladybugnessa
08-27-2008, 04:25 PM
I eat fruit for snacks at least twice a day and have for almost over 4 years (always berries in the morning and usually a tangelo in the afternoon if they are in season, otherwise it's a nectarine, pineapple, mango or watermelon). Big servings too! Lost 70 lbs, kept it off for over 3 years - fruit works for me!

I wonder if people just my fruit and think I'm making a foolish, unhealthy choice when I'm obviously radiantly glowing with good health?

the FRUIT is not the problem.

the JUICE is the problem... at least from an SBD perspective.

i eat fruit all the time.

banana every morning with my oatmeal

and often a fruit snack in the afternoons or before bed...

BUT i pair it with either protein dairy or a fat.

Fat Melanie
08-27-2008, 04:26 PM
I think judge was kind of a harsh word, I also don't care what other people eat. I meant it more as laughing to your self at people who eat "healthy" food in public and have an air about themselves of "I'm so healthy, look at me," when the food they're eating really isn't that "diet friendly".


I know how you meant it, don't worry. And I honestly think Photochick, while she DID have a point, was being a bit harsh towards you.

But, I don't really laugh at anyone for anything, certainly not for drinking OJ and etc, it still IS actually healthy for you. I know people who have lost weight and kept it off by eating fruits and grains everyday along with meats and etc. It is like what some others said, the approach that works for us may not work for others. I am pretty sure I could do another diet other than SBD, such as calorie counting or whatnot, and still lose weight. I choose to do SBD, but another person who does something differently isn't necessarily wrong (which is the type of thinking that ALSO makes me disagree with some of the SB stuff, although I still do the SBD. Corn and watermelon did not make me fat!)

Like I said though, fruits are great for a lot of people. I have found that eating some fruits (fruits only) as a snack makes me hungry later. That's why SBD is better for me. But for others, it works as a great snack.


Anyway, it's always fun to have a controversial topic to sort of 'debate' over, sometimes the forum can be boring! (No offense to anyone, I just like it lively sometimes!)

murphmitch
08-27-2008, 04:27 PM
Anyway, it's always fun to have a controversial topic to sort of 'debate' over, sometimes the forum can be boring! (No offense to anyone, I just like it lively sometimes!)

I agree. I'm glued to my computer!

PhotoChick
08-27-2008, 04:29 PM
the JUICE is the problem... at least from an SBD perspective.Yeabbut....

Juice is NOT a problem from my calorie-counting perspective. I drink V8 or tomato juice as an afternoon snack. I drink OJ, as I mentioned above, as a post workout snack specifically FOR the carbs. I drink other juices as they fit into my plan.

The problem here is thinking that there's only *one* form of "healthy".

And the thing is I *know* that I'm a lot healthier than a lot of people who say they're doing SBD or Atkins and who are really just using it as an excuse to load up on bacon and cheese and fatty foods and feel virtuous about it. (And no, I'm not saying anyone in this thread is doing that, but we all know people who have pulled that one before ... ! :) ).

So ... again, healthy is relative.

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Schmoodle
08-27-2008, 04:32 PM
Of course I notice what other people are eating. I'm hypersensitive to food choices these days. I don't think I judge, we all have to make our own choices.

Also of course I would never say anything, even to someone I was close to. It would be rude, and like anyone who is "born again" to anything I am excited to share my discoveries, but we have to be careful. Most folks don't want to hear it, just like I wouldn't want to hear most of what they say about how I live my life.

If folks were eating bacon or fatty foods, they wouldn't be following SBD.

Nessa, you are too much!

Fat Melanie
08-27-2008, 04:34 PM
Me too, Murphmitch! :D

Photochick, I like to randomly drink V8, especially the high fiber kind. It actually keeps me really full. V8 isn't a problem for me. I'm not sure about fruit juices, because I've always liked fruit better than fruit juices.

Oh, but then I found out the low sodium V8 (which I accidentally got) had sugar in it, and I noticed mad cravings afterwards! The High Fiber V8, for me personally and individually is the way to go.

JayEll
08-27-2008, 04:34 PM
I don't care what anyone else eats. I also don't care what anyone else thinks about anything I am eating.

People who comment on what I'm eating, along the lines of, "Are you supposed to be eating that?" Well... :club:

"You look at your plate, and I'll look at mine."

:lol:

Jay

murphmitch
08-27-2008, 04:35 PM
I drink V8 too. I don't drink it in massive quantities though. A 20 oz container of OJ is not a "serving" to me. I think that was the point of the OP.

Lovely
08-27-2008, 04:35 PM
I am human. I am not perfect. I am definitely guilty of observing other people's behaviors and food choices. Sometimes I'm even guilty of thinking in my head "Oh boy, that fried onion with sauce is like 68 points!"

Usually it's a comparison to what I may have eaten in the past, to what I could "get away" with eating now. Or how I'd feel if I ate what that person is having.

Sometimes it does delve into "Why on earth would you choose to eat a bag of potato chips?" Once again, I'm human. Most of the time I'm able to quickly catch myself and correct it. "That person is enjoying their potato chips. Perhaps they're a treat. Perhaps they were planned. Perhaps that person doesn't give a hoot. Either way, it's none of my business as long as I don't go out and eat a bag of potato chips now that I've been thinking about them for a few minutes."

ladybugnessa
08-27-2008, 04:38 PM
Yeabbut....

Juice is NOT a problem from my calorie-counting perspective. I drink V8 or tomato juice as an afternoon snack. I drink OJ, as I mentioned above, as a post workout snack specifically FOR the carbs. I drink other juices as they fit into my plan.

The problem here is thinking that there's only *one* form of "healthy".

And the thing is I *know* that I'm a lot healthier than a lot of people who say they're doing SBD or Atkins and who are really just using it as an excuse to load up on bacon and cheese and fatty foods and feel virtuous about it. (And no, I'm not saying anyone in this thread is doing that, but we all know people who have pulled that one before ... ! :) ).

So ... again, healthy is relative.

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I can't imagine that if i was calorie counting i would want to drink juice.... uses up calories in my opinion. except for the fat free half and half in my coffee I do NOT drink my calories (well v8 every morning....)

as for folks who tell you they are on SBD and eat bacon, cheese and fatty food, they are lying or they have no clue about SBD as we don't have bacon unless it's turkey or canadian
cheese must be 6g of fat or less per oz
and i can't think of a single fatty food we eat while on plan...

Belle Mer
08-27-2008, 04:38 PM
Some people can eat tons of fruit and carbs together and metabolize them just fine with no health problems at all. My hubby is one of them. He's a high carb metabolic type. He has to live with me - a high protein type.

That being said, if I've learned anything over the years, it's this: Unless people are genuinely interested in wanting to make a change in their diet, there is no point in discussing it, because you will either be ridiculed or ignored.

I am surrounded by good friends who are terrible eaters. It's not that they don't have the money to buy really healthy food, they do. Instead, they think that I'M weird and waste my money because I shop at Whole Foods and eat organic. I can't tell you how many times these people have tried to force white carbs and sugar stuff on me, knowing that I am on SBD and that I don't eat that stuff.

These same people are always at the doctor's office getting another prescription for something. In fact, if I even mention an ache or a pain I might have, the first thing they say is, "Isn't there medication you can take?" - knowing that I am a believer in holistic health and rarely take any type of medication. They believe anything their doctor and the news media tells them regarding health and food, yet they suffer from all kinds of chronic ailments, never making the connection.

I've come to the conclusion regarding nutrition and health that you cannot impose your thoughts, actions, ideas, or beliefs on anyone unless they want to make a lifestyle change, and they begin to make the connection.

Otherwise, you're wasting your time, your energy and your breath.

murphmitch
08-27-2008, 04:39 PM
I think it's impossible, after following and being successful on any "diet", to not observe what others are eating. It's only human to do this too. I don't think the OP was trying to be rude, judgemental or otherwise. It's just an interesting point to discuss on this forum with like-minded individuals.

zeffryn
08-27-2008, 04:42 PM
You people do realize that I have things to do today....and it is absolutely impossible to do it while all this fun stuff is happening, correct?

PhotoChick
08-27-2008, 04:43 PM
A 20 oz container of OJ is not a "serving" to me. I think that was the point of the OP.But how does the OP know that the person buying the OJ was going to drink the whole 20 oz container at one sitting? :) And even if someone did drink the whole 20 oz, then how do you know that wasn't on THEIR diet plan? :)

I'm not trying to be overly argumentative here and I apologize to those who think I was too harsh in my response.

I just have a huge problem with the attitude that there is only one way to be "healthy" and anything that isn't within that narrow scope is bad.

The OP said: I think to myself you think your being healthy but your eating some of the worst food possible.And you know what ... a protein bar or a 100 cal snack pack is faaaaaaaar and away from "the worst food possible". And most people who have seen me around a while know that I don't endorse either option - I'm rather outspoken that I think snack packs are not a great idea. But ... they work for some people as a form of portion control. And certainly having a cereal bar is far better than having a Snickers bar and a Coke, right? ;)

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PhotoChick
08-27-2008, 04:45 PM
I can't imagine that if i was calorie counting i would want to drink juice.... uses up calories in my opinion. except for the fat free half and half in my coffee I do NOT drink my calories (well v8 every morning....)Which is totally your choice. :) But would you automatically assume that because you saw me with a 20oz container of OJ in my hands, that I was making an unhealthy choice? I would hope not.

as for folks who tell you they are on SBD and eat bacon, cheese and fatty food, they are lying or they have no clue about SBD
Which was totally my point. :)

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beachgal
08-27-2008, 04:46 PM
I think the thing isn't so much about judging (and I know from what little experience I have, that when we judge others, we're likely to be judging ourselves 10x more harshly... :( ), but that we can feel sad for others who may be making the choices we used to make in hopes that it would be good for us, only to find later that we were making all the wrong choices, at least for our own bodies. I think it's part of the feeling that what's worked for us will work for everyone, but we know that's not true: everyone's body is different.

I know that, for me, even though drinking OJ is really yummy and certainly "healthier" than soda, it causes a huge rush of blood sugar that leads to terrible cravings, lots of extra weight (physically and emotionally), and a total lack of fullness in spite of lots of calories. But pre-SBD, I would have thought it was a "virtuous" choice. I wish I'd known then what I know now. When I see people making those choices, I think sometimes I project the old "me" onto them and assume that they would be happier/healthier living the way I am now. That's not the case for everyone, but I guess it's a human failing to assume everyone is like we are, right? ;)

Another issue, one that we've addressed in my "mood and food" support group, is the concept of "bad" food and "good" food. The truth is, there are very few of those in this world. We make up those categories in our minds. So it's not fair to judge others by our version of what's bad and good. Your bad is another's good and vice versa. (Though I think we can all agree that things like a "tuna shake" :barf: are on the bad list...even though some weightlifters might think it's "good...")

Regardless, this is meant to be a safe space. I know that it can be easy, sometimes, to take things personally, but let's all try to give people the benefit of the doubt, okay? :D We're all among friends here (anyone want to join me in singing "Cumbaya?"). :grouphug:

murphmitch
08-27-2008, 04:50 PM
Totally agree!

ladybugnessa
08-27-2008, 04:57 PM
But would you automatically assume that because you saw me with a 20oz container of OJ in my hands, that I was making an unhealthy choice? I would hope not.


Let me preface this by saying I think PhotoChick is one of the coolest women on this site and I read her posts and listen to her wise words daily.



i would not think it unhealthy.... no I would possibly not think of it at all

but i might think that there are better options for carb replenishing, than 300 calories of liquid that would not sustain my hunger for an hour....

but i guess if you don't find that fruit juice (even 100% juice is loaded with natural sugars) don't make you hungry, don't give you the shakes, don't leave you thinking of your next meal, then go for it.

Fat Melanie
08-27-2008, 05:00 PM
Cumbayaaaaaaaaaa. *strum guitar*

Belle Mer
08-27-2008, 05:01 PM
Well, I still think that we can't judge others by own own metabolism.

Even though we are aware of how OJ raises blood sugar, and 100 cal snacks do the same, we don't know a thing about the person with the OJ and their medical/health issues or their glycemic tolerance.

If a person is a friend and hangs out with you all the time and eats junk, that's one thing, but to see a stranger buy something that you assume is going to spike their blood sugar, and be bad for them is really stretching that assumption, because how do we know it's all for them, if they might split it into two servings and save it for the next day, or share it with someone, or that they might need to drink it for some reason.

So I don't think I'd feel sad for them in making poor choices unless I knew them and knew for sure that they do that same thing every day and they have no medical reason for it.

I'd feel really horrible about it if I were out to dinner in a restautrant and someone judged me, an oveweight person, if they saw me eat a dessert, not knowing that maybe it was my once a year indulgence in creme brulee.

It's easy to assume and easy to judge, I know that I do it all the time. But we just don't know the story behind people's actions.

It's the people close to me whom I know for sure are killing themselves slowly with food that I feel bad about.

Ruthxxx
08-27-2008, 05:01 PM
And on that note, let's close this thread and make some SBD Smores while we watch the sunset.