Weight Loss Support - My body makes no sense to me anymore




Beach Patrol
08-04-2008, 10:45 AM
:?:

Many of you know my ups/downs the past couple years what with my injuries & health problems & weight gain, etc.

I just celebrated my 45th b'day yesterday. We (husband & I) had a small party Saturday night (just a few close friends). It was very casual; held outdoors on the deck, snack foods, beer, cola, water, etc.

I wore a pair of denim shorts & a "baby-doll" type top w/flip flops. I thought I looked OK when I checked myself in the mirror. BUT THE PICTURES FROM THAT NIGHT... OMG... ok, I KNOW I'm overweight & I don't kid myself about that, but the camera is just sooooo .... UNFORGIVING, isn't it? :(

I'm the fattest I've ever been in my life. I think all my years of yo-yo dieting has finally just screwed up my body in a monumental fashion. I'm STILL the same size I've been for MONTHS now. 182 lbs, size 14. I've tried so many things that have worked in the past, & NOTHING is working now.

I currently keep my caloric intake between 1400-1500 per day. I was doing 1200-1300 but that gave no results, & doc suggested I "up it" a bit, so I was doing 1300-1400... also, no results. I've done the math: I have to have 1800 calories per day to maintain (supposedly...) And I know that it's unhealthy to dip below 1200 calories per day, so I don't (even tho I've been tempted to try it!) I track EVERY PIECE OF FOOD & DRINK that passes my lips (I use FitDay).

I gave up junk food & Mountain Dew completely, & lost not one single pound.

I swim for an hour a day (sometimes more, esp. on weekends) and walk 1/2 hour each day.

I've tried calorie cycling, it didn't work for me. I've tried South Beach; it worked before (1998) but not this time. I've tried WW, same thing. Of course I've tried several "fad diets" (way in the past!) & while I lost weight, I gained it all back, plus some.

My basic eating plan is simple, really - here's a typical day:
Coffee - 80 calories (the way I fix it)
Breakfast - Kashi Go Lean Crunch w/skim milk (regular serving size) (290 Calories)

10am snack - Two t-spoons peanut butter (Skippy Natural) and half an apple (115 Calories)

Lunch - Raw baby carrots, 1/2 cucumber, 2 oz cheddar cheese, 2.5 oz baked chicken and other half of apple (355 Calories)

3pm snack - 12 almonds (80 Calories)

Dinner - baked flounder w/olive oil & lemon, steamed broccoli & half ear of corn480 calories)

Dessert - usually nothing, but sometimes I enjoy a frozen fruit bar (40 calories).

That's 1440 calories. I drink water all day, including with dinner, and usually have a Diet Dr. Pepper in the morning. SEE? I'm not a *bad* eater.

I am in peri-menopause, and doc said that *whack hormones* can do the strangest things to a woman's body. I realize that. But does that mean that I can no longer lose weight, no matter how much I diet/exercise?

I'm completely at ends with my body. The way it's NOT responding to ANYTHING I do just makes no sense to me anymore. :(


vikkivma
08-04-2008, 10:54 AM
I wish I could have some kind of solution, but may I at least make a suggestion? Switch from FitDay to www.thedailyplate.com -- it's much easier to navegate and a lot faster. Just don't "eat back" the calories you burn. It will tell you exactly how much you need to eat in order to lose a certain amount per week and will automatically adjust it any time your weight shifts.

Mollikins
08-04-2008, 11:08 AM
I feel your pain -- HONESTLY. Kinda in the same situation. My Doc told me to stay around 1500 calories & pick up the exercise.

So 6 weeks ago, I decide to reeeeeeeeeeely buckle down & record EVERYTHING (even my dag-burned sugar-free gum !). I have YET to hit 1500 calories (usually top out anywhere tween 1400 & 1450), plus if I drink any more water, I'll start growing gills. And I've stuck to 30 mins/day/5 days a week of intense cycling (13-16 mph). Well, I figured I'd see at least some kind of "gain" in the loss dept. I DID manage to lose 3 lbs in a month, but now NUFFIN !!

Also, I'm not peri, but FINALLY menopausal & have noticed that I have to work sooooooooo much harder to realize ANY "gain" in my fight to lose. I realize this doesn't help you (or me for that matter) out, but just wanted to let you know that you're NOT alone & it AIN'T all in your head ! Just gotta keep on, keeping on.


WE CAN DO THIS !!!


JayEll
08-04-2008, 11:22 AM
Hey Beach Patrol! :wave: Yeah, I know you've been through a lot.

I don't see anything wrong with your meal plan. I entered it into FitDay--and you're getting enough protein, etc.

I have no suggestions to make that will cause you to lose! :dunno: I think that instead of struggling mightily as you are, trying to force a loss, that perhaps you'd do best to accept that right now, your body likes this weight. In other words, call yourself a maintainer, and keep eating as you are now with the idea of keeping your weight from going up. You might even be able to increase your calories a bit--but you'll know what the effects are when you try.

It could be that after some time, your metabolism may allow you to lose again. Things do change, and our bodies have their own agendas. Sometimes our minds need to be patient...

I know you're exercising to the extent that you can--do you swim? Swimming is a really good exercise. I don't mean high powered laps--just some easy laps for about 20 minutes each time would be good.

Hang in there, Beach Patrol. Life can be good... :hug:

Jay

Tomato
08-04-2008, 11:29 AM
Darn! Jay just took the words out of my mouth. As I read your story, I was thinking "you are trying too hard" (though it is not a criticism). As much as I understand your desire to lose more weight, I was going to suggest just try to maintain for a while and give your body a bit of a rest. Maybe 2-3 months? Then attack it again.

And by the way, I know what you mean by the unforgiving camera. I look pretty good in mirror but in a photograph, I gain 15 pounds immediately!

Beach Patrol
08-04-2008, 11:30 AM
Thanks vik & Mollikins - I do read & consider everyone's comments.

And thank you Jay - I consider you very wise in your journey.

Yes, I do swim. ONE HOUR every day. Sometimes more than an hour - I love swimming - always have. When I was in my 20's (seems like *forever* ago!) I was a lifeguard. I swam every day & lifted weights, & ate like a sumo wrestler! - my weight stayed in the lower 120's. of course, I can't really lift weights anymore, but swimming is wonderful - and I have NO PAIN while I'm doing it, altho I always have to ice my elbow afterward (I'm having surgery in October on that, & looking forward to it!)

I've also been walking for a 1/2 hour every day. So you'd think that 1.5 hours of exercise per day would be hunky dory & give some sort of results in the downward trend. But nada.

I can take losing weight slowly. But from March - present I haven't lost one single pound. NOT ONE. The thought of looking at this as "maintenence" is saddening. 182 lbs maintaining? On my little 5'3.5" body? Ugh.

Onsecondthought
08-04-2008, 11:31 AM
I'm not sure if this will help, but I got this in an e-mail the other day...

http://avidityfitness.net/fat-loss-tips/

Could you possibly be eating more calories than you think you are? After watching this...I know I am!!!

Beach Patrol
08-04-2008, 11:37 AM
I'm not sure if this will help, but I got this in an e-mail the other day...

http://avidityfitness.net/fat-loss-tips/

Could you possibly be eating more calories than you think you are? After watching this...I know I am!!!


Hmmmmmmm. Interesting. I will do more reading on that site. Thank you.

Onsecondthought
08-04-2008, 11:43 AM
Oh, I wasn't advocating anything on the website itself...I just thought that the you-tube video was interesting. I'm a diligent measurer of all my food and it's just shocking and frustrating to know that I still might be overeating!!

JayEll
08-04-2008, 12:00 PM
And here I thought everyone knew the correct way to use measuring cups and spoons... Silly me... :lol: I should know better... :rofl:

Beach Patrol... yes, I'm sorry to say, 183 pounds. Accept it for awhile. Take life easier. Let up on the pushing.

I'm not saying give up exercise and go eat everything in sight, of course! I'm just saying... let it be for awhile... have a life... keep watching, but let go of the frustration.

Jay

Beach Patrol
08-04-2008, 12:10 PM
I wish I COULD let go of the frustration. Unfortunately, it's now to the point that it consumes my thoughts when I'm not deep into work or something else that is distracting.

I feel like a blimp. :(

yoyoma
08-04-2008, 12:13 PM
Thanks for the link to that video! I don't think that I do have trouble measuring generally (e.g. I typically level off my spoon measurements with a butter knife) but it's good to be aware of the impact that a little rounding could have.

In regard to the OP's difficulties -- I really feel for you. I have no idea what the problem is, but did you get your thyroid checked? Are you getting enough sleep? Maybe a little more NF dairy would be helpful? Your typical day looks like you should be able to lose weight given your healthy diet and exercise. I hope you find something that works!

Spoz
08-04-2008, 12:17 PM
Beach - oh I relate! after yo-yo weight loss I eventually just stopped losing any weight. I read up on pleateu's and read about calorie zig zagging...so I started that. 1200 calories on day....1800 the next. Anyway my point is despite going totally awol on this plan and gaining weight, my weight did start to shift and when I went back to 1450 calories the scale started going down.

I'm not saying it's a good idea to go awol like I did, but maybe your body just needs a change of some sort.

Beach Patrol
08-04-2008, 12:22 PM
In regard to the OP's difficulties -- I really feel for you. I have no idea what the problem is, but did you get your thyroid checked? Are you getting enough sleep? Maybe a little more NF dairy would be helpful? Your typical day looks like you should be able to lose weight given your healthy diet and exercise. I hope you find something that works!
Yes, thyroid checked - I'm fine.
Yes, getting plenty of sleep.

I hope I find something that works, too! - thanks for your response.

Suzzyy
08-04-2008, 12:34 PM
Hi there,

This happened to a friend of mine and after much frustration she changed everything. On the advice of a nutritional counselor she began to follow a more low carb diet and she also changed her exercise routine. She was a member of a woman's gym and she put her membership on hold and she began to power walk and also rode a bike (indoor) and she dropped 15 pounds in 6 weeks after NOTHING for 6 months. She was told her body was too used to the routine. She is doing wonderfully now.

yoyonomoreinvegas
08-04-2008, 01:24 PM
:?:I am in peri-menopause, and doc said that *whack hormones* can do the strangest things to a woman's body. I realize that. But does that mean that I can no longer lose weight, no matter how much I diet/exercise?

I'm completely at ends with my body. The way it's NOT responding to ANYTHING I do just makes no sense to me anymore. :(

:hug: Sorry you're having such a struggle :hug: and Happy Belated Birthday!

Don't give up! Yes, the whacked out hormones cause changes but they don't make getting trim and fit impossible. I had doctors tell me that, since I had struggled with my weight since I was a child and was now in menopause, I should just plan on being fat for the rest of my life - NOT! :D

Because your body chemistry is changing, you may have to modify a few things and it may take a little more trial and error than it did in the past. For me, eliminating HFCs (almost all corn products actually) and artificial sweeteners, along with limiting my grain servings to a few a week instead of every day seems to have done the trick. Means taking twice as long to grocery shop because I have to read the ingredients of everything but it's working. That's not to say what worked for me would be the right combination for you, but if there is a specific thing you eat almost every day, you might try cutting back on it for a week or two. If there's no change, try changing something else. Frustrating as heck but maybe just shaking up your menu might wake up your system a little?

Mrs Snark
08-04-2008, 01:58 PM
Can you mix up your work outs? I bet you are a VERY efficient swimmer at this point, so you are not burning as many calories as a new swimmer would be. Your body may need you to challenge it with more muscle confusion activities? Just a thought, I know you must be incredibly frustrated!

pinkcarnation
08-04-2008, 05:25 PM
I recently read Ultrametabolism by Dr. Mark Hyman. He discusses the role of inflammation, oxidative stress, toxins in the liver, and other conditions that may impede weight loss. It all seemed very complex and subtle to me and the only advice I actually took was to cut out all High Fructose Corn Syrup and trans fats. You may want to consider what he has to say and see if digging very deep into changing your cell function and body chemistry may work for you. Best of luck.

walking2lose
08-04-2008, 10:00 PM
Hi Beach - I'm so sorry to hear of your struggles! I'm 40 and have recently had a very tough time maintaining or losing. I'd say the last year or two have been tough. New lbs. appear out of no where. I count calories, exercise, etc, but it's tough - I can totally relate. I believe it somewhat hormonal too. I remember reading a post from you earlier this summer where you felt the Women to Women program was helping you. I have actually researched their site a good bit, and just last week received their program. I hope you are having some perimenopausal relief from the products - I'm hoping to.

Hang in the there! I know you know feel comfortable where you are, but I do believe you will find a way to break through this tortuous plateau!

murphmitch
08-04-2008, 10:44 PM
I am menopausal too & calorie counting/WW flex did not work for me any more. I switched to South Beach in January and lost 23# since then. I know you were on this before but you don't say when. As we age and go through menopause, there are so many changes we go through. I could not eat the simple carbs any more. Another diet that is interesting is the Flat Belly diet or MUFA (monounsaturated fatty acids). Prevention.com has lots of stuff about it and have a lot of menopausal women in their articles about it. Lots of healthy fats (nuts, nut butters, olive oil, etc.) Since using more olive oil and nuts (stuff I always steered away from before), I have not struggled with hunger or cravings. I have read several article that suggest healthy amounts of these fats help promote weight loss.

walking2lose
08-05-2008, 07:23 AM
I've been wanting to look into MUFA - I know I need to make some changes too!

Thanks, Anne.

Beach - let us know how you're doing!

GatorgalstuckinGA
08-05-2008, 07:40 AM
beach patrol-i know you've been thru a lot in these past few years (for those of us who have hung around here this long). I first want to say....hang in there. One thing you can say is maybe you aren't loosing weight...but at least you are eating healthy. I know it doesn't help but you are trying. I second what tyler stated...maybe because of all your years of swimmming...1 hr of swimming isnt dong it for your body. That would be the only thing i can see might help. When i really started loosing weight i had a personal trainer and what we were doing was high interval training. I would do a weight set...and instead of waiting to rest i would do another muscle group...for example, do tricep curls and then do sit ups while the triceps rest. We also did a lot of short but high intensity things like stair climbing and sprints. I think trying to mix up your exercise routine would be the only thing i could suggest. And possibly uping calories some more. I know it sounds weird but you and me are right at the same height and when i was 185 and i was doing high exercise i was eating 1700 cal a day. but i'm not a nutritionist...just what worked for me.

Hang in there...just know you are trying. Good luck!!!!

JayEll
08-05-2008, 08:45 AM
Hey Beach,

I want to add to what Gatorgal has said. Since your problems in the last year, you've learned that your health has to be a priority, right? So let's look at things that way for a minute.

1. Are you eating right? It looks like the answer is yes.
2. Are you getting exercise? It looks like that's a yes, too.
3. Are you following your doctor's directions and checking in? I assume so.
4. Getting enough sleep? I hope so.

So you really are keeping after your health. This is a big plus, and absolutely essential.

I know you hate that number on the scale, but you can either be frustrated and sad all day long every day, or change your attitude. I don't see any other way right now! You are where you are, and all the struggling you've done hasn't changed that so far. :dunno:

Maybe try changing your exercise routine--perhaps not as drastically as Gatorgal (WOW!) but in some way. I assume you're swimming a lot to spare your joints... do I remember that right? In any case, I read once that swimming is good for fitness, but it doesn't do that much for weight loss. This was years ago in Covert Bailey's book Fit or Fat. Perhaps you need less swimming and more elliptical... Just a thought. If your doctor agrees, you might try that. It's the only thing I can think of. But don't do it to MAKE YOUR BODY LOSE WEIGHT! Do it in the spirit of adventure and curiosity...

Jay

murphmitch
08-05-2008, 10:39 AM
In any case, I read once that swimming is good for fitness, but it doesn't do that much for weight loss. This was years ago in Covert Bailey's book Fit or Fat. Perhaps you need less swimming and more elliptical... Just a thought. If your doctor agrees, you might try that. It's the only thing I can think of. But don't do it to MAKE YOUR BODY LOSE WEIGHT! Do it in the spirit of adventure and curiosity...

Jay

Love Covert Bailey. I have all his books and still refer back to them. I remember reading about the swimming thing & weight loss. Seems that his theory was the cold water may encourage the body to store fat more. As we age we tend to decrease our muscle mass too. Using weights is one way to counter that, which helps with weight loss for some too.

rockinrobin
08-05-2008, 11:36 AM
Beach, you've been given great advice and great words of wisdom - reminding yourself of just how far you've come, how beautifully you're taking care of yourself and the idea to perhaps change up your exercise a bit - so I have nothing much to add. Just wanted to chime in with some support for ya. :hug:

Beach Patrol
08-05-2008, 12:04 PM
I assume you're swimming a lot to spare your joints... do I remember that right? In any case, I read once that swimming is good for fitness, but it doesn't do that much for weight loss.

... Perhaps you need less swimming and more elliptical... Just a thought. If your doctor agrees, you might try that.
Jay

Yes m'am - nail on the head - you remember exactly right. The reason I'm NOT lifting weights anymore, which I've done since I was 18 - because of my "joints". Two specific "joints" ,.. my shoulder (old torn rotator cuff injury) and currently my elbow (having surgery in October on that.)

The last time I lost weight was 2005 (see avatar). I started in February05 at 175 & by Aug05 I was 138~ three pounds from goal weight. I was lifting 3x a week for 30 minutes & doing treadmill 4 days/week for 45+ minutes. For nearly 3 months, I wasn't really getting anywhere doing treadmill at 30 minutes, so I added 15 minutes & steep incline. Then I started doing an "interval training" (going from machine to machine; arms-legs, upper body-lower body, etc.) & man, the weight started coming off FAST. I was averaging 2 pounds a week.

But since last year's episode with pulmonary embolism, my body has just gone whack on me.

I do walk 30 minutes a day in addition to my swimming. But my lower back hurts so much I can hardly stand it. I had started doing Yoga & tried Pilates, but my herniated discs in my neck didn't appreciate that.... So... Swimming is the only thing I can do that doesn't hurt me.

A friend of mine (who happens to have MS) gave up all products involving HFCS, & didn't do anything else - no extra exercise, no extra "dieting"... and she lost 25 pounds (almost effortlessly).

Another friend of mine has a gluten problem, so she gave up breads & wheat based foods, & lost 20 pounds.

I have yet to find my MLB (magic loser button). Not even sure I have one. I mean heck, I did give up junk food & cola, & NADA. Not a single ounce. The hardest thing right now is to keep my healthy eating habit going, even tho I'm seeing no results. Part of me is just tempted to say WTF & go ahead & have that KitKat bar, or that bag of Fritos. Because not having it hasn't made a difference.

OMG, I hate to hear myself whine! :^:

Beach Patrol
08-05-2008, 12:07 PM
Beach, you've been given great advice and great words of wisdom - reminding yourself of just how far you've come, how beautifully you're taking care of yourself and the idea to perhaps change up your exercise a bit - so I have nothing much to add. Just wanted to chime in with some support for ya. :hug:

Thank you R'Robin! - From 287 to the 120's.... woman, you are TRULY an inspiration. As many here are! :)

Beach Patrol
08-05-2008, 12:26 PM
Hi Beach - I'm so sorry to hear of your struggles! I'm 40 and have recently had a very tough time maintaining or losing. I'd say the last year or two have been tough. New lbs. appear out of no where. I count calories, exercise, etc, but it's tough - I can totally relate. I believe it somewhat hormonal too. I remember reading a post from you earlier this summer where you felt the Women to Women program was helping you. I have actually researched their site a good bit, and just last week received their program. I hope you are having some perimenopausal relief from the products - I'm hoping to.

Hang in the there! I know you know feel comfortable where you are, but I do believe you will find a way to break through this tortuous plateau!

Hi W2L -
yeah, that W2W program HAS done a world of good for me. No more night sweats, no more hot flashes - as far as that's concerned, I do feel MUCH better. I hope you get some relief on the program, too! :)

WebRover
08-05-2008, 10:12 PM
I wore a pair of denim shorts & a "baby-doll" type top w/flip flops.

My basic eating plan is simple, really - here's a typical day:
Coffee - 80 calories (the way I fix it)
Breakfast - Kashi Go Lean Crunch w/skim milk (regular serving size) (290 Calories)

10am snack - Two t-spoons peanut butter (Skippy Natural) and half an apple (115 Calories)

Lunch - Raw baby carrots, 1/2 cucumber, 2 oz cheddar cheese, 2.5 oz baked chicken and other half of apple (355 Calories)

3pm snack - 12 almonds (80 Calories)

Dinner - baked flounder w/olive oil & lemon, steamed broccoli & half ear of corn480 calories)

Dessert - usually nothing, but sometimes I enjoy a frozen fruit bar (40 calories).



Beach Patrol - I'm post-menopausal so my losing is slow, but I am losing. I'm looking at your menu from a SB perspective and from other things I've picked up at 3FC and along the way. So here are some comments. In general this looks pretty healthy, but since it's not working for you and you're trying to kickstart it:

Perhaps start the day with a protein and vegetable combination. If you do want to keep a cereal in your morning, perhaps shift to Kashi Go Lean (instead of Crunch), Uncle Sam, real oatmeal or Shredded Wheat. Add V8, tomato wedges, snow peas, whatever vegetables you can face that early. Can you tolerate cottage cheese and a fresh vegetable for breakfast instead of cereal?

Your snacks are both high in fat and both nut choices. Consider replacing one with veggies, or veggies and low fat cheese. Or keep the apple and add low-fat cheese.

Lunch. Carrots while a better choice than a lot of things, are still high on the glycemic index. Cucumbers (one of my favorite vegetables) don't have much nutritional value. How about colored peppers, raw or steamed and chilled broccoli, snow peas, sprouts, cabbage, spinach or some other veggies. Is the cheese low fat?

Dinner - The ear of corn is a starchy vegetable. How about grilled, sauteed or roasted zuchinni, yellow squash, peppers, eggplant and/or mushrooms instead. If you still want a starch, add a few lowfat triscuits or a slice of good hearty whole grain bread.

If you add in a cup or two more vegetables throughout the day, you may be able to start moving in the desired direction again.

Oh and the baby doll tops, I think they're generally unflattering as they tend to make us look big around the middle. For the lucky folks with a real waist, the baby doll top hides that great asset.

Best wishes.

walking2lose
08-06-2008, 07:08 AM
Hi W2L -
yeah, that W2W program HAS done a world of good for me. No more night sweats, no more hot flashes - as far as that's concerned, I do feel MUCH better. I hope you get some relief on the program, too! :)

That's good to hear! For both of us... :)

Keep us updated on how you're doing.

2fat2jump
08-06-2008, 08:00 AM
The only thing I can think that would be hindering you are the high glycemic indexes of some of the foods you've been eating. I know my body is intolerant to sugar. Whenever I eat any kind of carbs my body likes to hold on to the weight. Your diet is low in calories, fat, and very healthy but maybe it's just not right for you. Cereal, carrots, apples, and corn all have very a high glycemic. Or you can try cutting out the Diet Dr. Pepper. That is my only suggestion.

You're doing great though. Keep it up! Even if the pounds aren't coming off you HAVE to be feeling better physically. Your body must love you for the amount of exercise that you've been doing. You're an inspiration! Don't give up!