South Beach Diet - is this normal (phase 1?)




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Thin4Good
07-26-2008, 08:31 PM
*TMI Alert*


This morning when I woke up, which was earler than usual b/c I went to a morning class at the Y, I was famished! - I felt a little nauseous, which I felt was b/c of my hunger. I had a little bit of bile come into my mouth just as I came down to cook breakfast. I had some water right away and a few pistachios while I cooked. - I have been eating like crazy. (but on plan) I even forced myself to have dessert last night even though I was not the least bit hungry.


So- If you were brave and read that. What do you think? Am I doing something wrong?


greeneyes490
07-26-2008, 08:39 PM
First I want to know why would you force yourself to eat dessert when you weren't the least bit hungry??? Your body was saying it was full so mabey by forcing the dessert you triggered the nausea...... mabey your body is adjusting to healthier eating with less sugar/carbs, or mabey it was a bit of heartburn (which happens to me often)...or mabey it was just a coincidence......I think others have also experienced it and from what I have read it only lasted a couple of days (a kind of withdrawal I guess)......see how the rest of phase 1 goes.....

Thin4Good
07-26-2008, 08:45 PM
It says it is required.


zeffryn
07-26-2008, 09:07 PM
Snacks during the day are "required"....but I haven't read anything about after dinner eating being required. It hasn't been discouraged, but I haven't read in any of the books that it is required. A lot of people want a little something after dinner, so a lot of times it is listed in the menus.

If you're hungry after dinner....eat, but if you're not....don't.

Forcing yourself to eat when you're not hungry can cause binge effects...not what you want.

Anyway, I get the same thing in the morning sometimes...and I'm not even on plan right now. It is usually because I'm really hungry, but my body is also very dehydrated from the night. I make sure to drink plenty of water in the morning when I wake up and it goes away - as long as I eat some breakfast eventually ;)

Thin4Good
07-26-2008, 09:25 PM
Thanks!

greeneyes490
07-26-2008, 11:15 PM
I haven't read in the book that says to eat when not hungry...I have read that if you are still hungry after a meal then feel free to eat more till satisfied (but not stuffed).....you might have misunderstood something that you read.....I can't think of any plan that would encourge that......this plan basically wants you to eat to keep cravings at bay and keep blood sugar on an even scale rather than having those highs and then lows ....so if your really not hungry don't force it...listen to your body and it will let you know..... my second week on phase 1 I was just not hungry at all and then it would change a couple of days later.... I guess my system was regulating itself to the new way of eating....

Thin4Good
07-26-2008, 11:20 PM
thank you - I think I must have misunderstood it and need to read it again.

ladybugnessa
07-26-2008, 11:26 PM
in phase 1 you should have

breakfast
snack
lunch
snack
dinner
snack/dessert


in phase 2 snacks are not required...

Thin4Good
07-26-2008, 11:40 PM
lol- so does that mean that I DO have to have dessert and snacks?:dizzy:

ladybugnessa
07-27-2008, 03:48 AM
lol- so does that mean that I DO have to have dessert and snacks?:dizzy:



yep!

keeps your blood sugar even.... of course snacks can be as simple as a few cherry tomatoes and a piece of string cheese....

ladybugnessa
07-27-2008, 10:20 AM
Well if that's true I guess I haven't been eating enough food, but I don't feel nauseous. I basically eat 1 cup low fat cottage cheese and a half a plastic cup of low sodium tomato juice at lunchtime (cause that's basically when I get up) and until phase 2 comes along it's the SBD frozen dinner for dinner, along with a half a plastic cup of low sodium tomato juice. I have to go with what I got for food, I don't got much. I've lost weight so far doing it this way the last two weeks, so must be doing something right.


you're losing weight but it's not from following South Beach sorry to tell you.

Thin4Good
07-27-2008, 11:12 AM
Well if that's true I guess I haven't been eating enough food, but I don't feel nauseous. I basically eat 1 cup low fat cottage cheese and a half a plastic cup of low sodium tomato juice at lunchtime (cause that's basically when I get up) and until phase 2 comes along it's the SBD frozen dinner for dinner, along with a half a plastic cup of low sodium tomato juice. I have to go with what I got for food, I don't got much. I've lost weight so far doing it this way the last two weeks, so must be doing something right.

If that is all you are eating then you are definitely not eating enough food. You should read the book. He makes it clear that he doesn't want you starving yourself.

thunderbegone
07-27-2008, 04:16 PM
I would listen to your body. If you are stuffed, I don't think it is a good idea to eat dessert. Make sure you space your meals out evenly which I know can be hard with work etc..

zeffryn
07-27-2008, 04:22 PM
Well if that's true I guess I haven't been eating enough food, but I don't feel nauseous. I basically eat 1 cup low fat cottage cheese and a half a plastic cup of low sodium tomato juice at lunchtime (cause that's basically when I get up) and until phase 2 comes along it's the SBD frozen dinner for dinner, along with a half a plastic cup of low sodium tomato juice. I have to go with what I got for food, I don't got much. I've lost weight so far doing it this way the last two weeks, so must be doing something right.

You've been losing weight because you're basically starving yourself....if you were getting 1000 calories a day, I would be surprised. The SBD meals have about 300 cals each, tomato juice has about 30 cals per 4 oz. and a cup of lf cottage cheese has around 100 (based on the brand I have in my fridge).

Less than 500 calories a day....

very, very healthy.

Man, if only I could enlarge an emoticon....

zeffryn
07-27-2008, 04:48 PM
maybe you don't feel hungry....but a human body cannot function with the amount of calories you are putting into it for very long. You are probably not feeling hungry because your body has gone into a hibernation of sorts - your metabolism is at a stand still, and you are losing weight because your body is feeding itself by breaking down your muscle tissue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_calorie_diet

Also, even though you haven't said how old you are....I'm guessing quite young. You are still in your growing years and implementing a very low calorie diet can be extremely detrimental to your health in the coming years.

I remember how I was as a teenager...I couldn't have cared less if someone was telling me this. I only thought about that moment, and if I felt like losing weight - I would stop eating and do whatever I needed to to lose the weight. It isn't healthy. Please educate yourself on this and make a sound decision. Losing weight the wrong way can have adverse effects your entire life. I abused diet pills as a teenager (ie, ephedra)....I still have an issue with my pulse racing (10 years later!)

ladybugnessa
07-27-2008, 04:53 PM
honestly, im not starving myself, being on this diet im just not that hungry like i used to be, sometimes i have to force myself to eat something even though im not hungry.. it's quite weird coming from someone who WAS a food addict.

you are setting yourself up to be hungry later on

by eating so little you are training your metabolism to need less food.

Mdavila89
07-27-2008, 04:58 PM
Hope Your Ok

zeffryn
07-27-2008, 04:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

Sorry I confused your age...you seem a lot younger...

I didn't mean an eating disorder....I meant things like gallstones which occur quite frequently in women undertaking very low calorie diets. No doctor would approve of you eating that few calories without medical supervision. Very low calorie diets (anything under 800 calories) can also cause a woman's body to stop menstruating (while that seems really cool...the overall effects...not so much).

I would recommend reading the websites that I linked to.....they can provide more information.

murphmitch
07-27-2008, 05:01 PM
You will also lose muscle tissue by eating so little, not the kind of weight you want to lose.

zeffryn
07-27-2008, 05:03 PM
omg. I just can't do this. Anybody else with me?

*bangs head on table*

ladybugnessa
07-27-2008, 05:09 PM
the foods i have been eating have been filling me up, no hunger. im following the south beach diet just modifying it and those sample menus in the book, i possibly cannot eat all that in a day i'd wanna puke i'd be so full. isn't the whole idea is to eat when ur full, not force yourself?


have you discussed your lack of appetite with your doctor?

have you received permission from your doctor to eat so little?


you are not getting enough nutrients to sustain your body on a long term basis.

when you start eating more food you will gain... then get discouraged right?

and i can understand totally why Zeff thought you were younger. I did too.


basically you are asking us to condone your destroying your body....


I can't do that.

you need medical intervention.

zeffryn
07-27-2008, 05:14 PM
edit: sorry, that was mean.

Fat Melanie
07-27-2008, 05:37 PM
Ummm... what happened to Jellybean's posts? I'm confused. Did she get banned for having an apparent eating disorder? (I'm not dissing you Jellybean, by no means, I just think you're heading towards anorexia and I hope that's not the case.)

It is true that you don't feel 'hungry' because your metabolism has dropped and therefore your body is sustaining itself on the limited amounts of calories that you consume. But in the long run, you'll end up burning off good muscle tissue also, and YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT. You might lose weight, but you'll be unhealthy and you'll also be flabby! ANd if you eat higher calories after that, you will gain back whatever you lost the unhealthy way, and then some.

You do have to eat a minimum required amount of calories, based on your age, weight, BRM to support your bodily functions (I don't just mean number 1 and number 2, I mean stuff like blood flowing to your heart, your body producing new cells, producing energy, etc, etc the list goes on). When you eat too few calories, you're just asking for bad health later down the road, I'm afraid. Your body will go and deplete its stores until you have no nutrition left (do you really want to end up with stuff such as osteoporosis and liver failure and malnutrition? 'cause you will...) It can even affect your heart, no matter your age.

You may seem to be losing weight, but it's not the healthy way and it will come back. Your body needs calories to not only function but to BURN calories... to make energy to burn calories... to lose real, true weight. You have to keep the metabolic fires stoked in order to burn..

Now I know sometimes I skip on my snacks and I pay for it later when I feel hungry and sluggish. It's not a good thing to not eat! Eating is very good for you... eating the right foods that is, and eating enough of them.

Fat Melanie
07-27-2008, 05:44 PM
How old did she say she was, guys? I missed that part, apparently. I was thinking 17/18 myself. I thought she was young. I have read some of her threads and she talks about living with her mom and her mom buys the groceries and etc, etc, and I just assumed she was still a kid living at home.

Again, Jellybean, not dissing you or anything... I like you, you seem to be nice. I think everyone may be concerned that you might have an eating disorder though, and you may need some help. It's okay.. :)

zeffryn
07-27-2008, 05:44 PM
mel - some people are beyond help and good advice. :?: Don't stress over it too much.

To answer your second question, 26. I don't think she was banned...I think she just deleted her posts.

Fat Melanie
07-27-2008, 05:47 PM
Oh, crap. I have done it again. Original Poster... I did not mean to go off topic although it seems to have started with Jellybean or something... still not sure exactly what happened.

Anyway, you should try making some chocolate custard. After dinner, maybe eat half a cup of it or so... Ladybugnessa said it is required on phase 1, the others said dessert isn't, so I am rather confused myself. But if you're not hungry, I don't know if you should force yourself to eat anything else. If you're full definitely don't force it... but if you're just normal, you could always try to eat a little dessert later on in the evening, such as my suggestion.

Fat Melanie
07-27-2008, 05:49 PM
mel - some people are beyond help and good advice. :?: Don't stress over it too much.

To answer your second question, 26. I don't think she was banned...I think she just deleted her posts.

Ahh I see. Well, maybe she'll read the posts and something will click... sure hope so. But since she's an adult even older than me, I don't feel as compelled to help anymore.. . she's grown, hopefully she will see the light.

zeffryn
07-27-2008, 05:49 PM
I think the best way to get around the varying answers of dessert or no dessert is to eat every 3 hours that you are awake......keeps your metabolism up, and gets that weight down.

Sounds easy, but is actually difficult in application. 3 hours never came so fast before!

Fat Melanie
07-27-2008, 05:54 PM
That's a bit like the Jorge Cruise thing, to eat a little somethin-something every 3 hours to keep your metabolism stoked. It's actually a pretty good principle, I think.

Thin4Good
07-28-2008, 10:14 PM
I think the best way to get around the varying answers of dessert or no dessert is to eat every 3 hours that you are awake......keeps your metabolism up, and gets that weight down.

Sounds easy, but is actually difficult in application. 3 hours never came so fast before!

:lol: -

I was wondering if it would come back OT but I definitely understand - that needed addressing.


I think the problem has been eliminated. Dessert has been very welcome the last few days. It does feel like I am constantly eating (so I am never hungry long). I also really enjoy preparing my food. Chopping up the vegetables is so soothing.


- Can I just say I love this diet?

zeffryn
07-28-2008, 10:17 PM
Just wait until you're really pissed....chopping veggies is so much cheaper than therapy...or jail time ;) Just remember, stab the veggies and not a person!

I always felt like I was eating too...I felt kind of dumb when DH and I had to sit down for a snack at the same time!

I found that my appetite really varied...it came in like a lion some weeks and then went out like a lamb in others.

Thin4Good
07-28-2008, 10:37 PM
I am hoping Dh is on board with this as it will just make my life much easier when he gets back. The kids love the food too (but they are not restricted to it) I feel great about making healthier food for them though. Who knew my 1 y/o would LOVE cauliflower and zucchini?

As far as DH goes though - I'm not cooking another dinner too so if he doesn't want to eat it. That's ok ! :) I think he will come around!

zeffryn
07-28-2008, 10:45 PM
My DH definitely isn't picky, but he loved everything that I made.....he did remind me to make him a carb though every night. The recipes in this diet are the best of any diet I've ever tried, they definitely don't taste like diet food. The steak kebabs with peanut dipping sauce is still my favorite and DH told me that it was ok with him if I did this diet as long as I made food as good as that all the time.

DS (2) ate an entire plate of brussels sprouts tonight....weird kid. :)