Okay, I did not expect a big weight loss during Phase 1 like a lot of people experience. But I did expect at least a 1 or 2 lb weight loss in the first week, which is what you generally lose on healthy, non-fad diets.
I didn't lose a thing in that first week, nothing, not a single pound. And I didn't overeat or overdo calories. On Sunday (the day before I was to weigh in), I came up with a stomach/intestinal virus so took in hardly any calories the past few days (sunday, monday, tuesday). You'd think that I'd see something on the scale then (although any weight loss that would occur would have came back, I know), but still nothing. But sunday the 15th- through sunday the 22, I should have seen at least a 1 or 2 lb drop.
What gives? The first week of doing phase 1, I didn't even shed a pound. I could easily have shed 2 lbs by doing a sensible, calorie-counting diet, following the mathematical weight-loss equation. But I want to do the SBD, to rid myself of a white-flour, bad carb addiction. So... what happened?
06-25-2008, 03:43 PM
the first time i did phase one i lost exactly zip, zero, nada!! i didn't start really shedding the poundage until well into phase 2 where i lost a total of 16kilos.
second time i did phase one i lost 10 lbs...
everyone's body is different, everyone's metabolism works differently. perhaps you already feel fitter, more energetic, less bloated??!! maybe your pants are a wee bit more comfy now? there are more ways to measure sbd success than just by weight loss. be patient and stay the course, the long term benefits are soooo worth it!
06-25-2008, 03:44 PM
melanie weight loss is not linear, comparable or predictable.
have you done one solid week of no cheats on the plan exactly as written?
06-25-2008, 05:45 PM
I think with me, it takes a week before I really start seeing any results. But don't get discouraged! It didn't take you a week to put it on...so it's going to take time for it to come off.
06-25-2008, 06:24 PM
Fat Melanie said:
... But I did expect at least a 1 or 2 lb weight loss in the first week, which is what you generally lose on healthy, non-fad diets.
This really isn't true, despite the fact that many, if not most people believe it. While you often hear it quoted that you shouldn't lose more than one or two pounds per week, or that one or two pounds is generally a safe rate to lose weight (or similarly the 1/2 to 1% of your total body weight), this is not the "average" or "typical" rate of weight loss. It's actually much lower.
I once complained to my doctor that I wished my weight loss wasn't so much slower than "everybody else," and he pointed out that I have no idea how much weight "everybody else" is losing, and the "true" average is much smaller than most people expect. It is not the 1 or 2 lbs per week that we're taught to expect, but much lower than that. He said that even 1/4 of a pound loss consistently would after only a few weeks, be more success than the true average, because most people who try to lose weight, give up very quickly.
Before I found a birth control that regulates it better, I would gain 10 lbs just in water weight "that week" - and that's if I stuck religiously to my low calorie, low sodium plan. If I overate, or oversalted, I could gain even more. Those ten pounds would disappear a week later (assuming I didn't binge), and those ten pounds could easily disguise what would have otherwise been a loss. So if I started a new diet that week, gaining 8 lbs instead of 10 would be good news, not bad.
There are thousands of reasons why you might not have lost week 1, and you can really only guess at this point, but above all try not to compare yourself to your results in the past (things change) or how you think "everyone else" is doing (because you may be wrong, and even if you're right, you can only work with your metabolism, not anyone else's).
Hang in there!
06-25-2008, 06:43 PM
could it be that you weren't eating enough??? I just started phase 1 on sunday and did a weigh in today and lost 5 lbs....but normally i eat dinner and an evening snack and never lose weight and in the end gained alot....but since sunday i have been eating tons of food and breakfast, lunch and snacks.....mabey that could be it...but every body is different so don't let this stop you....
06-25-2008, 07:10 PM
Melanie, last Saturday you posted this
"Then, my bf and his bro went to Subway. I decided that I had already screwed up, so why not get the sub. I didn't know what to make for dinner anyway, hadn't planned ahead, (well I had, but I forgot to make the chili, glad to see that I can make it quickly, thank you poster who told me that! I appreciate it, so I know for the future when I'm in such a predicament.) Anyway I did at least get whole wheat bread (after saying I wanted that bread with the cheese baked on).
But it was a whole sub. I ate a whole Subway sub with turkey and provolone, mayo, oil and vinegar, lettuce, tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, banana peppers...
Also, I ran out of diet cola and I didn't want water, I was still craving sugar, so I drank a few glasses of mountain dew, which I don't even LIKE."
And there was something about Little Debbie's too.
And the sugar and salt are going to cause you to retain some water.
Then you were sick and I'm sure that didn't help either.
I think you need to put in a good clean Ph1 week and you will then start to see some results. But don't freak out if you don't lose that first week because I lost all my Ph1 weight the second week.
06-25-2008, 08:22 PM
Make sure you are drinking your water too. I normally drop pounds in the first week, but if I do not drink enough I do not lose anything. Especially in the summer you need to stay hydrated. Make sure you get your 6-8 glasses a day- more if you are exercising or outside in the heat a lot. ... I am off to get another glass!! :)
06-25-2008, 08:23 PM
Sorry computer brain fart, I only meant to post once..... :o
06-26-2008, 09:27 AM
I wasn't following your weekly progress as closely as some of the rest of us here but this is not a food plan that works well with "off plan" regular cheating. I know because I tried it. Unfortunately, you are either on this food plan or you aren't. And, yes, eating "off plan" and depending how off you went off, will affect your weight lose. Consider it a blessing that it caught you fast rather than hit you a couple of weeks later when you may have had a good week and then wondered what you did wrong.
As I have found out, this works if you follow it the way it is set out. On other plans, you might be able to have that Subway meal including the regular soda but not on this one, you can't. At least, not right away. And, if you are wondering how often, I have polled a few "normal" eaters and they all say occasionally (which is mentioned along side of the foods to avoid list) is once a month and one meal only, at best! I am a college graduate and some post-graduate work under my belt and I didn't know what occasionally meant! How dumb could I be?
You can't give up the white flour/white sugar addiction without actually giving it up. It has to be applied,as in putting the plan into action, not just theoretically this works. Intending to do something and actually doing it consistently over and over is what will get you the results you are looking for! I think, it could be the hardest thing you may ever have to do but I am sure once you have you will be so glad that you did.
If it makes you feel any better, I sabotaged myself like you did for longer than I care to admit. My occasional "off plan" eating was getting to be 1-3x a week and my weight lose just halted. Then, I asked other "normal "eaters what they thought occasionally was. I re-read the food lists. I realized that an extra something here and then an extra something there was stalling my weight lose efforts. I too was very discouraged. I had a talk with myself a week ago and I decided that I needed to step back, access what my goals are and I asked myself "Is this what I wanted to continue to follow?" The answer was YES!
I realize that you have mentioned about your bf sabotaging your efforts as well. Again, I am sure some of this is done out of lack of understanding so I wouldn't go too hard on him. However, you are a new Mom and think of the consequences of raising your child with such poor eating habits. You are young too. If you continue to eat this way, you will be lucky to have a second child and you might be unhealthy in a few years to enjoy the one you have.
I realize that it is hard to be the one who steps out of the crowd and decides to change but I can guarantee it that if you stick with your food plan, not only with Beyonce be your role model (and I am assuming that photoshopped pix of her on your avatar is what you mean by that because she is a lot more hippy than that photo shows) but you too could be looking like that.
Ask anyone who has maintained that kind of figure after the age of 21 and they will tell you (if they are honest) that it takes "work". If you want it, you gotta work it, sweetie.
Don't give up, we are pulling for you!:hug:
06-26-2008, 09:51 AM
Melanie - I'm with schmoodle on this, it seems like every time I logged on there was a new thread about how you cheated. This diet works, and it is healthy...but to be successful you need to have the right mindset. Nothing is going to work overnight, but look at all the thousands of people on this forum right now that are having success! It takes a special kind of person to commit to something like this - especially in the face of adversity (your boyfriend). If you don't have willpower and resist cheating....it simply will not work, nothing will.
There are a lot of people that need to be honest with themselves. I was helping a friend of mine figure out why she wasn't losing weight because she said she was only eating 1200-1400 calories a day. I had her log everything she ate - even the small bites. Turns out she was eating more like 2200-2500. Just telling yourself you are on this diet and then forgetting about all the cheats isn't going to lead to some magical weightloss. It is time to be honest with yourself, either you are ready to do this or you aren't. If you are ready, you should be able to go more than a day without cheating.
Everybody slips and eats something they aren't supposed to, it's human nature...but the key to slipping is to recognize it, tell yourself that it is ok and then move on - not telling yourself "well, i've already slipped for today why don't I just start again tomorrow". The best advice I got when I started (from Ruth) was to get back up and start again, don't beat yourself up over one slip...just dust off and make the next meal count.
I also think it is very important that you have support in this. Your boyfriend is like anti-support, always offering you things you shouldn't eat (even if you aren't on this diet - little debbie snacks are death). I think you need to either ask him to support you fully (no offering bad things, or telling you it is bad) or just shut up! I'm lucky to have my husband fully supporting me (we don't eat unhealthy, but I needed to get my percentages of carbs/proteins/fats in order) and it is the best thing for me. I know that if I have a bad day, he's going to encourage me to get back on and if I have a good day, he is right there with me to celebrate! It is a great feeling.
I hope you can come back from this.
06-26-2008, 09:53 AM
Also like Schmoo - I lost 0 the first week and 8 lbs. the second. It is all relative.
06-26-2008, 09:58 AM
It's not easy to hear what we are saying Melanie, and the truth is that IF YOU ARE NOT READY, then you're not ready. I was not ready when losing weight was all about vanity.... I didn't get ready till i became an old fat middle aged woman and losing weight was all about feeling better and being healthy.
there is nothing wrong with not being ready. there's a lot wrong with pretending to yourself and others that you are ready.
when i'm in health mode "NO" is my favorite word. NO i won't eat that cake, "NO thank you I don't want Subway feel free to have it without me" "No i'm not interested in going for pizza, can I get a salad there?"
You have not given SBD a fair chance. a FAIR chance IMO is 2 weeks of clean phase 1, 6 weeks phase 2 transition and then 6 weeks of a clean phase 2 we are talking THREE MONTHS of clean eating.... and then if you've lost nothing you can tell me it does not work.
06-26-2008, 10:37 AM
I completely agree that South Beach, and other low GI plans are much less forgiving of off-plan eating. I know this, and it's still hard for me to stay on plan because of it (and one of the reasons my weight loss is much slower than I'd like). I've spent 36 years of dieting, and have normally been on diets in which a little lapse here and there weren't major roadblocks. With low GI eating though, this is not the case. It really requires a whole different mindset than the rest.
I'm not saying that one bite of pie and "poof" the magic spell is broken. Low GI isn't magic, but it is science. In a nutshell, high GI foods (carbohydrates that quickly spike blood sugar) increase appetite and hunger. Combining fat and a high GI carb is especially dangerous. Long before SB, there was a study done of fat/carb combo snacks. People eat more when these are combined, than seperately. The perfect example was cheese and crackers. I don't remember the exact numbers, but people in the study ata more than double when they ate cheese and crackers as opposed to cheese OR crackers.
Because the science of low GI carb really hinges on appetite control, off-plan eating has a much larger impact on results. You will eat much more because your hunger will not be as well controlled. Just because you generally don't need to count calories on SB, doesn't mean calories don't count. When you're following the plan exactly, hunger is a good signal that it is time to eat, but if you eat highly refined carbs, you often simply cannot trust your hunger.
If you have a hard time staying on plan, or even if you're just skeptical of the plan, you might consider integrating some type of counting (such as calories, points, or exchanges) until you can successfully follow the food plan. Journal food, exercise, hunger and feelings. If you do so, you will see that the closer you stay on-plan, the less hungry you will feel, and the more success you will have.
Good luck, and hang in there!
06-26-2008, 11:12 AM
Melanie - Hang in there, you've gotten a lot of great advice here and some really sound reasoning. It's a great program and way of eating, you just have to work the program. Your first week was riddle with cheats and drama, your body is not a roller coaster, in order to see results you have to be consistent. Good luck on your second week!
06-26-2008, 11:14 AM
Also wanted to add a thought to some of the other comments.
I have observed that when people are 'planning to diet', they will often eat excessively and high calories as that last 'good time' before going on a diet.
This habit can have very bad effects as it can hinder and discourage those first few weeks. It may take your body a few weeks to catch up with the calorie, salt, and carb overload.
Is it possible that in addition to some of the before mentioned issues....that your body is trying to recover from a pre-diet binge?
06-26-2008, 11:18 AM
I've only been on SB for just about one month - but I've already learned so much from this group. You are getting good, caring advice from people who "get it" and know what it's like to change what is often a lifetime of bad habits.
I have my own Subway story - My teenage son and my husband insisted that we stop at Subway on the way home one evening for a quick supper. Determined not to go off plan - but really, really tempted as it was well past my normal supper time and I was hungry (see -it's all in the planning) - I went inside with them and began bargaining with myself about what I "Could" and "Couldn't" have on P1 of SB. I was setting myself up until I saw a little sign that said "Subway can make any sandwich into a salad - just ask" - so I asked and guess what! I got the Veggie Delite sandwich made into a salad and it was great! It felt soooo good afterward not to have sabotaged myself. I enjoyed the company of my family over dinner and didn't feel deprived - I felt happy and successful. Those little victories mean so much and once you achieve one or two - you WANT more - it gets easier NOT to cheat, once you realize how good it feels to SUCCEED! Don't give up - if you really want to succeed - you can!:carrot:
06-26-2008, 03:11 PM
Erasing this post, because there is no point in posting something when apparently Newbie South Beach Dieters are always wrong. I think I'd be better off doing this diet with just general diet support, instead of posting in this forum. Thanks to the encouragers, I KNOW I can do this, I don't care who's more experienced, that doesn't mean that I can't do it and achieve the success that they did. I did afterall lose over 40 pounds of pregnancy weight and then some by eating similar to the way one would eat on phase 2, but with some bad stuff here and there. So I have a bit of an idea of what I'm doing, as well.
The moderator edited my post citing "nastiness towards a particular member", but that is not true. I was honest and stated that I felt this poster was trying to imply I wasn't good enough to do the diet, and had implied so repeatedly in my various posts. I stated that I felt they didn't think much of newbie posters. I ALSO told them that I appreciated a lot of the advice they had given as well, and that I was aware they were experienced with the diet but that didn't mean that I wasn't just as capable of doing it, and told them that they looked great. That's not everything, but a brief summary, but what's so nasty about that, it's beyond me. I guess though, when you're a newbie member of the south beach dieter taking a stand against a more "experienced" member, your opinion is not valid. Forgive me but it all seems really elitist and cliquey to me. I never meant to be rude and I don't believe that I was.
Again, thanks to the encouragers, good luck to everyone, you're all doing great and thanks for the advice given. Bye guys.
06-26-2008, 03:44 PM
Melanie -- I'm not a south beach dieter, and I may be poking in where I'm not wanted, but I can tell you what I see from the outside.
It seemed that your initial post was complaining the plan didn't work. You said "The first week of doing phase 1, I didn't even shed a pound." Your title "Kinda Dubious Now" indicates that you are, well, dubious that the south beach plan works!
The others were pointing out that you didn't follow the plan, and that's why it might not have worked. In other words, it might be that the plan works, but you have to work the plan.
I understand that you feel your calories weren't very high, and you got sick, but as has been pointed out, weight loss doesn't necessarily work in a linear fashion. You didn't lose this week, but it might not be because there's anything wrong with the South Beach diet.
Moreover, I didn't see anyone here saying you can't do the plan, just that you might not be ready for the plan, or have some obstacles that may prevent you from following it right now, and I think there is a world of difference.
Overall, this is a very supportive board, but it can be hard to tell people's meanings when we lose our "voice" and the inflections and body language we can see when we're talking to people face to face. I really do think people mean well and are trying to help.
06-26-2008, 03:44 PM
Melanie - I see people telling you that maybe you aren't in the right place for -this- plan. You might be ready to change your lifestyle drastically (because that is what it will take, and permanently not just for a few months) but this might not be the right plan for you. Maybe Weight Watchers would fit you better right now. It's certainly more flexible about food choices and allows you to eat whatever you want if you are willing to pay the price later in the day. Heck if something like that would have worked for me I might have chosen it. My problem is I can't be that accountable without firm structure, so I need SBD because it gives me concrete guidelines that make sense to me and that I can comfortably follow the rest of my life. It also regulated my blood sugar and got rid of most of my cravings so helped me control the binging. I tell everyone who asks me IRL how I did it the same thing - just because this plan is perfect for me doesn't mean it's perfect for you or anyone else!
I see people here regularly acknowledge off plan items, meals, & days. No one is perfect. But going off plan more than a tiny bit here and there will slow down or even stop your weight loss. That's a fact and you can't blame the plan for that. Have you spent time really thinking about your life as a Mom and a GF, how much time you have to plan meals, what kinds of foods you really can't give up without resenting an eating plan and what, if any, long term goals you have besides weight loss? All of those things will help you decide what plan might be best for you and provide you the most success. I know I had to really spend time doing research and then being honest with myself about that stuff because I've lost weight and then regained it too many times. I am determined to do it and keep it off this time, so had to be honest with myself.
just my thoughts and you are free to ignore any and all of them (of course!).
06-26-2008, 03:49 PM
Thank you, Heather and Cyndi. You took the words out of my mouth.
06-26-2008, 04:01 PM
I understand your frustration. I personally do not believe that a person has to "hit rock bottom," or be 100% ready to start making positive changes. Nor do I believe that failure is always due to lack of motivation.
Much of my prior failures with weight loss were not due to lack of motivation, but by working very hard using techniques that just do not work. In many ways, I was only able to lose weight, by de-emphasizing the scale. When I stopped caring whether I would lose weight, and instead focused on improving healthy habits, that the weight started coming off. Slowly.. oh so terribly slowly, but coming off nonetheless.
Before, I wanted too badly to lose weight, and it tempted me into crazy, unsustainable habits to lose. I only had two weight trends - quickly losing and quickly gaining.
In business they talk about not working harder, working smarter, and that's what I think weight loss really is about. Most dieting "talk" (whether you refer to it as a lifestyle change or not) has an unwritten expectation that a person will be perfect from the beginning. I don't buy that. Some people may be able to manage that, but it's never worked for me. Expectations of perfection, inevitably lead to feelings of failure at the slightest err. Only focusing on progress rather than perfection works for me.
That being said, I had to stop viewing weight loss as the only measure of progress. I know that low GI eating is the only way for me. Through journaling (I can't say enough about journaling, it's the single best tool in becoming the scientist AND lab rat you must be, in order to learn what works for your), I have learned that I can't do South Beach without a backup counting method. I know this is not true for most people, but for me, any carbs, even "good" carbs can trigger appetite which can lead to binging. My hunger signals don't work right, and maybe they never have. Carb counting worked ok, but an exchange plan works better. I know this isn't South Beach kosher, but it's what I have to do.
I've also calorie counted, and found (again, through my journal) that on 1800 calories of high carb foods, I don't lose weight or lose excrutiatingly slowly. On 1800 calories of extremely low carb eating, I lose pretty quickly (but feel pretty crappy). On 1800 calories of low glycemic, South Beach style eating I lose weight slowly, but steadily, and comfortably.
Don't worry about other people thinking you're not ready. Don't worry about YOU thinking you're not ready. Just hang in there, work on making changes, and learn from mistakes. The rest will take care of itself. Slow really doesn't matter. Fast doesn't necessarily have the advantage.
I strongly believe in the South Beach/ whole foods approach to food. And I don't even believe that if I can't stick to the SB plan perfectly that I should choose another way. Progress will eventually show results, but you can't necessarily translate it into pounds lost in x amount of time. There's no shame in getting closer and closer to the eating style you want to accomplish. And you will see results, but the results are not going to be the same as someone who WAS able to be perfect from the start.
Sometimes I do think about that. If I were perfect, I would lose faster. But if I can't be perfect, I can be better. And working at being better has allowed me to lose 50 lbs. Slowly, and there's no shame in slowly as long as you don't let it become stopped.
06-26-2008, 04:14 PM
Good points here but I am closing this thread due to controversy. Fat Melanie has decided The Beach is not for her.